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A
A
Senator
pickard,
please
mark
him
present
when
he
arrives
chair
schaible
here
all
right.
Today
we
have
a
shorter
agenda
than
yesterday,
a
couple
of
bills
to
work
session
and
one
bill
to
here.
We
will
start
with
the
hearing
on
ab201.
A
D
Hello,
thank
you
so
much
share
tribal
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
I
am
assemblywoman,
cecilia
gonzalez,
and
I
represent
assembly
district
16
in
clark
county,
I'm
here
today
to
present
for
your
consideration
assembly
bill
201
with
me
today
on
the
zoom
is
gen
c
anderson,
the
legal
director
of
the
rocky
mountains
of
the
innocence
project.
D
Last
session,
this
body
passed
assembly
bill
267,
which
compensated
people
who
are
wrongfully
convicted.
When
demarlo
berry
went
to
prison
in
1994
for
a
murder
he
did
not
commit.
It
was
a
jailhouse
informant
who
was
an
incriminating
witness
based
on
the
informant's
testimony.
Mr
berry
was
convicted
and
sentenced
to
life
in
prison.
However,
in
2014
the
informant
admitted
that
he
lied
and
also
received
benefits
for
his
testimony.
D
So,
who
is
an
informant
an
informant
is
an
individual
who
provides
testimony
or
information
about
statements
the
defendant
made,
while
they
were
incarcerated
together,
informants
often
receive
a
benefit
from
prosecutors
such
as
for
information,
usually
in
the
form
of
a
plea
bargain
or
a
reduced
sentence
on
their
own
criminal
charge,
or
even
a
dismissal
on
their
case.
Informants
also
can
receive
financial
incentives
or
other
special
benefits,
while
in
custody
for
their
testimony.
D
Chair
with
your
permission,
I
would
like
to
turn
the
presentation
over
to
miss
anderson
now.
However,
I
did
just
want
to
state
that
this
is
not
an
attack
on
district
attorneys
in
nevada.
However,
this
bill
is
to
provide
provisions
so
that
we
can
prevent
the
wrongful
incarceration
of
people
using
jailhouse
informants
and
with
that,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
off
to
gen
c.
Thank
you.
E
Good
afternoon
and
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
and
thank
you
to
assemblywoman
gonzalez
senators,
chairwoman,
women,
my
name
is
jensey
anderson.
I
am
the
legal
director
of
the
rocky
mountain
innocence
center,
we're
a
small
innocence
project
that
covers
utah,
wyoming
and
nevada,
and
works
to
write
wrongful
convictions
in
those
jurisdictions,
as
well
as
prevent
them
in
the
first
place,
and
this
bill.
Ab201
goes
a
long
way
in
doing
that.
E
I
also
want
to
thank
the
district
attorney's
association,
as
well
as
specific
district
attorneys
for
giving
us
incredible
feedback
on
this
bill
coming
to
an
agreement
on
what
would
be
best
to
support
not
only
the
wrongfully
convicted,
but
to
make
sure
that
district
attorneys
are
able
to
use
informants
when
when
they
are
reliable
and
also
to
protect
those
informants,
should
they
actually
provide
testimony,
as
assemblywoman
gonzalez
said,
about
10
percent
of
the
cases
on
the
national
registry?
E
Well,
she
in
dna
exonerations
it's
about
20
on
the
2700
exonerations
that
have
happened
nationwide
by
both
dna
and
non-dna,
about
10
of
those
involved.
Jailhouse
informants,
who
didn't
tell
the
truth
and
nevada
is
not
immune
from
that
about
15
percent
of
the
exonerations
that
have
taken
place
in
nevada
have
included
jailhouse
informants,
and
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
here
is
because
I
was
one
of
demarlo
berry's
attorneys,
demarlo
berry.
E
As
assemblywoman
gonzalez
told
you
was
wrongfully
convicted
of
murder
when
he
was
19
years
old,
he
was
convicted
almost
primarily
or
exclusively
on
the
testimony
of
a
jailhouse
informant
who
claimed
that
demarlo
had
testif
had
confessed
to
him.
While
they
were
in
the
holding
cell
together,
there
was
no
physical
evidence,
tying
demarlo
to
the
scene,
eyewitnesses
couldn't
only
one
of
the
13
eyewitnesses
could
identify
demarlo
in
a
line
up
the
rest
that
it
wasn't
him.
There
really
was
a
dearth
of
evidence,
except
for
this
alleged
confession.
E
Richard
iden,
who
was
the
name
of
the
informant
claimed
that
demarlo
had
confessed
to
him
and
and
in
exchange
for
that,
he
was
given
really
incredible.
Deals
on
a
plethora
of
charges
that
were
pending
in
both
clark
and
washoe
county.
E
He
was
flown
home
to
ohio,
to
spend
time
with
his
ailing
father
and
he
never
disclosed
that
information
in
court
and
the
defense
never
learned
about
that
information,
and
so
they
were
unable
to
challenge
him
on
the
veracity
of
his
testimony,
based
on
perhaps
the
deals
that
he
was
given
or
his
desire
to
come
home
from
prison,
even
though
he
was
a
guilty
man
in
that
case,
in
2011,
the
actual
perpetrator
to
that
crime.
E
E
E
It
points
up
the
idea
that
jailhouse
informant's
testimony
is
inherently
unreliable,
and
so
it's
important,
in
other
words,
jailhouse
informants,
often
have
motivation
to
lie,
and
so
it's
important
that
that
information
about
what
deals
they
may
be
receiving
about
when
they
say
the
testimony
happened,
allowing
prosecutors
to
track
those
kind
that
kind
of
testimony
and
allowing
those
prosecutors,
then
to
know
if
someone
is
trying
to
be
a
jailhouse
informant
frequently,
and
so
this
bill
not
only
sort
of
recognizes
that,
but
it
protects
everyone
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
E
It
perfect
protects
prosecutors
from
convictions
being
overturned
on
grounds
that
that
information
was
not
disclosed.
It
allows
them
to
more
thoroughly
vet
their
witnesses.
It
allows
the
defense
to
have
that
information
so
that
the
defense
can
make
decisions
about
how
they're
going
to
deal
with
the
jailhouse
informant
and
it
it
helps
the
defendant.
E
It
makes
sure
that
if
they
are
indeed
an
innocent
person,
the
likelihood
of
them
being
wrongfully
convicted
convicted
on
the
testimony
of
an
eyewitness
of
a
of
a
jailhouse
informant
goes
down,
and
it
also,
then,
if
the
jailhouse
informant
is
telling
the
truth
protects
everyone
in
the
system,
the
public,
the
victim,
so
that
all
of
that
information
is
available
and
is
transparent.
E
It
allows
for
the
tracking
of
these
kinds
of
individuals
who
give
this
testimony,
and
it
requires
that
that
that
information
be
given
transparently
to
everyone
to
the
defense,
so
that
we
avoid
wrongful
convictions
and
avoid
the
overturning
of
rightful
convictions.
E
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
and
I
and
we
are
joined
on
the
phone
by
nathaniel
erb,
who
is
a
policy
analyst
for
the
national
innocence
project?
Who
can
also
help
me
if
you
have
specific
questions
about
the
bill
and
or
about
demarlo
berry's
case
or
anything
else,
that
if
I
can't
help
you
he'll
he's
available
as
well?
So
thank
you
again
for
having
me
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
support
of
this
bill.
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
your
presentation,
I'll,
open
it
up
to
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
Do
the
members
have
any
questions?
It
looks
like
we
don't
have
questions
from
anybody
on
the
committee.
I
have
a
couple.
I
do
want
to
confirm
that
when
we
talk
about
informants,
I
know
that
the
the
text
of
the
amendment
doesn't
say
jailhouse
informants,
but
it
does
define
the
informant
as
somebody
who
allegedly
received
this
information
when
they
were
in
custody
with
the
person
who
allegedly
made
the
confession.
E
D
You're,
good
sicily,
gonzales
assembly,
district
16
for
the
record.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
The
definition
is
just
to
informants
that
are
incarcerated
and
we
worked
with
with
you,
chair
and
the
district
attorney's
office
and
the
public
defender's
office
to
make
sure
that
the
definition
is
just
for
people
who
are
incarcerated
together
at
the
same
time
that
may
be
making
these
statements.
D
Yes
and
jenny
noble
is
here
if
she
can
better
answer
that
question,
because
I
do
not
practice
law
but
she's
here
to
answer
as
well.
Do
you
wanna
here
she.
C
A
A
The
information
that
the
defense
is
entitled
to
and
the
information
that
has
to
be
kept
by
the
district
attorney's
office
has
to
do
with
the
benefits
that
are
written
into
the
cooperation
agreement,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
specific
about
that,
because,
in
my
experience,
somebody
who
serves
as
an
informant
may
have
other
benefits
that
are
not
conferred
by
the
district
attorney's
office,
but
that
result
from
having
been
cooperative
in
a
case,
for
example,
when
somebody
you
know,
testifies
in
court,
a
judge
may
look
upon
that.
Favorably.
A
Some
people
may
say
that
being
transported
to
the
courthouse
to
give
testimony
is
a
benefit,
but
if
they
have
not
specifically
negotiated
as
part
of
their
agreement,
that
the
transportation
to
the
courthouse
is
one
of
the
quote,
perks
of
being
an
informant.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
opening
up
the
door
to
require
anything
and
everything
under
the
sun
to
be
included.
C
Jennifer
noble
for
the
record,
yes,
part
of
the
purpose
of
these
amendments
is
to
make
sure
that
we
were
not
including
potential
benefits
or
something
that
a
judge
might
see
in
terms
of
the
validity
or
valor
to
what
an
informant
did
we're
talking
about
a
contract,
a
bargain
for
exchange
between
a
district
attorney's
office
and
an
incarcerated
person
who
learned
information
while
they
were
incarcerated.
That's
what
this
is
designed
to
do.
A
And
does
this
generally
conform
with
the
because
I
think
I'm
not
sure
I've
mentioned
it
in
this
committee
before,
but
I
know
in
conversations
about
this.
I've
mentioned
that
at
the
clark
county
da's
office,
we
have
a
jailhouse
informant
policy.
We
can't
just
call
them
in,
like
any
other
witness.
We
have
to
go
through
an
approval
process.
C
Jennifer
noble
for
the
record:
yes,
that's
correct,
chair
schiable!
What
this
is
really
designed
to
do
is
to
make
sure
that
the
policies
already
adopted
by
the
vast
majority
of
district
attorney's
offices
throughout
our
state
survive
from
administration
to
administration
and
that
this
information
is
tracked
so
that
it
can
be
disclosed.
A
Appropriately,
all
right
and
just
one
final
question:
how
are
oh
I'll
go
to
senator
well
I'll,
ask
my
question
first
and
ask
very
specifically
you
know
this
information
has
to
be
maintained
in
some
kind
of
database
and
who
has
access
to
that
database.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Go
ahead,
senator
hansen.
F
Actually,
my
question,
I
think,
would
be
for
demarlo
berry's
attorney,
because
you
mentioned
that
in
the
in
the
informant
got
all
these
perks,
but
apparently
the
d8
never
gave
any
of
that
information
to
you.
Is
it
required
right
now
under
the
new
policies
or
at
the
time,
even
that
when
they
make
those
sort
of
arrangements
with
a
an
informant
like
that
that
the
dis,
the
defense
attorney's
defense
counsel,
are
notified
of
of
the
you
know
what
whatever
the
perks
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
are.
E
Yes,
thank
you
for
your
question.
Senator
at
the
time
of
trial,
I
was
not
demarlo's
attorney.
I
was
only
as
attorney
in
the
innocence
proceeding
in
the
late
2000s
at
the
time
of
trial.
This
likely
should
have
been
disclosed
under
what
we
call
the
brady
law,
which
is
a
law
that
requires
any
exculpatory
evidence
be
disclosed
to
the
defense.
E
Unfortunately,
it
wasn't
and
mr
iden
lied
on
the
stand
about
receiving
any
benefit,
and
so,
unfortunately,
this
was
a
failure
of
the
system
in
on
the
whole
and
as
we
did
our
investigation,
we
were
able
to
learn
about
about
this,
which
is
why
we
approached
mr
aidan
to
speak
with
him
and
he
ultimately
recanted
his
testimony
by
then.
E
We
had
already
had
a
a
confession
from
the
actual
perpetrator,
but
yes,
this
is
information
that
should
be
turned
over
and
as
d.a
jenny,
noble
said,
this
is
information
that
is
now.
This
bill
simply
codifies
what
is
required
constitutionally
and
what
is
actually
happening
in
the
majority
of
da's
offices
in
nevada.
Now.
F
Well,
thank
you.
The
question
I
have,
though,
is
you
mentioned
that
the
system
failed,
but
I
don't
quite
buy
that
there's
a
system
at
fault,
because
the
system
clearly
had
something
in
place.
It
was
an
individual
or
individuals
in
the
prosecution
side
of
this
thing
that
made
a
conscious
decision
not
to
share
that,
and
I
don't
know,
obviously
I'm
not
an
attorney.
I
don't
practice
in
these
areas
when
a
individual
in
a
prosecution
side
or
whatever
deliberately
ignores
or
fails
to
do
that.
F
I
realize
it
can't
exonerate
the
individual,
but
are
there
actually
any
penalties
for
the
the
lawyers?
Or
I
mean
you
know
if
they,
if
they
deliberately
do
that
a
guy
like
barry,
goes
to
the
prison
for
22
years
and
then
the
state
of
nevada
has
to
pay
five
million
dollars,
not
to
mention
ruining
the
man's
life
and
everything
else,
but
it
seemed
like
nobody.
You
know
the
system
was
at
fault,
but
somebody
in
that
system
nobody's
held
accountable.
F
E
Unfortunately,
no
I
mean
there
are
no
penalties
under
the
brady
law
or
under
any
current
laws.
There
have
been
in
very
egregious
cases
around
the
country,
instances
where
the
individual,
who
withheld
the
information,
whether
it
be
the
informant
or
whether
it
be
someone
the
police
or
the
prosecutors
they
had
there
have
been
some
consequences
for
them.
There
have
been
issues
of
disbarment.
E
There
has
been
some
abstract
obstruction
of
of
of
justice
kinds
of
charges,
but
generally
there
is
no
consequence
and
I
I
really
think
it's
important
for
me
to
say
I
mean
I
do
there's.
Certainly
in
that
case
the
system
failed
and
the
system
may
have
been
on.
The
prosecutor's
side.
I
mean
was
on
the
prosecutor's
side,
whether
that
was
police
and
or
prosecutors,
or
an
investigator
for
the
prosecutor's
office,
but
for
the
most
part,
prosecutors
are
good.
F
Oh,
my
god,
I'm
a
big
defender
of
the
police
all
the
time,
but
that
doesn't
mean
there
aren't
occasionally
rogue
cops,
and
I
would
assume
that's
also
true
on
the
prosecution
side
and
when
those
situations
do
arise.
You
know,
and
this
the
marlo
berry
case
has
disturbed
me
since
the
day
or
first
day
I
heard
about
it
still
does
real
black
eye
on
the
state
of
nevada,
but
I
it's
like
nobody
seems
to
be
held
accountable
other
than
the
taxpayers
who
have
to
reimburse
the
guy
and
legitimately
so,
I
might
add
anyway.
C
Yes,
thank
you
chair.
I
think
it's
important
and
I.
C
I'm
sorry
jennifer
noble
for
the
record.
It's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
down
here
in
person,
as
you
all
know,
I'm
from
the
washington
county
district
attorney's
office,
I
didn't
litigate
the
demarlo
berry
case
and
my
knowledge
of
it
is
limited.
However,
I
think
senator
hansen,
it's
important,
to
keep
in
mind
that
a
number
of
factors
contributed
to
what
happened
in
that
case,
including
the
fact
that
the
informant
in
question
perjured
himself
and
and
later
recanted
his
testimony.
C
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
in
the
questioning,
particularly
the
chair's
last
question,
and
then
the
talk
of
accountability.
Spurred
one
question
in
my
mind
you
know
we're
creating
a
list
and
we're
or
a
database
of
informants,
so
we
can
keep
track
of
this
data,
which
I
support
in
theory.
But
you
know
what
what
there's
no
penalty?
At
least
I
don't
see
a
penalty
for
wrongful
disclosure
now
that
may
be
elsewhere,
but
what,
if
someone
either
on
the
police
side
or
the
the
prosecutor
side,
or
particularly
on
the
defense
side?
G
G
C
Jennifer
noble
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
pickard.
I
think
it
depends
on
the
circumstances,
but
you
have
to
keep
in
mind.
District
attorney's
offices
have
had
this
information
and
have
continued
to
hold
this
information,
probably
since
almost
time
immemorial,
since
we
first
started
the
justice
system,
so
we
are
very
careful
to
make
sure
our
disclosures
are
within
the
law
in
terms
of
perhaps
defense
counsel,
disclosing
it
to
their
client
or
just
closing
it
to
somebody
who
shouldn't
know
about
it.
C
That
would
be
something
that
could
perhaps
be
part
of
a
civil
action.
I'm
not
aware
of
any
criminal
charge
that
would
appear
would
apply
there,
but
I
would
say
that
the
defense
attorneys
I
work
with
in
this
state
and
the
public
defenders.
I've
worked
with
in
this
building
are
trustworthy
individuals
who
are
not
going
to
break
the
law
and
disclose
information
that
could
hurt
somebody,
and
we
are
all
privy
to
that
type
of
information
and
that's
part
of
our
oaths.
G
Sure-
and
I
think
the
events
of
the
last
year
suggest
that
there
may
be
some
room
for
consideration
of
that
one
individual
that
steps
out
of
line
anyway.
It
was
just
a
thought
that
came
up.
I
didn't
see
it.
I
thought.
Maybe
there
was
something
else
in
law
that
could
help
contain
that,
but
anyway,
food
for
thought
for
the
future.
Maybe
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
All
right
not
seeing
any
other
questions,
we
will
go
to
testimony
in
support
of
ab201.
I
think
we
have
some
people
in
the
room
to
give
support
so
including
ms
noble
I'll.
Let
you
go
first
and
then
we'll
get
to
the
next
person
in
the
room
for
support
testimony
on
ab201.
C
Good
afternoon
again,
chair
schreibel
and
members
of
the
committee,
I
want
to
thank
assemblyman
gonzalez
and
ms
anderson
and
mr
erb
for
working
with
the
district
attorney's
association
on
a
bill
that
I
think
will
help
ensure
that
this
type
of
information,
which
is
relevant
to
impeachment
of
a
witness,
is
disclosed
appropriately
and
safely.
So
we
are
in
full
support
of
the
bill.
Thank.
C
H
H
During
the
2019
legislative
session,
we
heard
the
heartbreaking
story
of
demarlo
berry,
who
did
22
years
in
prison
for
a
crime
he
didn't
commit
largely
due
to
false
jailhouse
informant
testimony.
Unfortunately,
demarlo
is
not
alone
bad
jailhouse
and
fortman.
Testimony
has
also
played
a
part
in
the
exonerations
of
fred
stiess,
who
served
over
20
years
for
a
crime
he
did
did
not
commit.
Jailhouse
informants
played
a
big
role
in
all
these
cases,
and
nevadans
need
legislations
to
ensure
that
this
injustice
never
happens
again.
H
Ab201
does
just
does
just
that
tracking
jailhouse
informant
use
and
requiring
prosecutors
to
disclose
specific
details
about
jailhouse
informants,
such
as
the
details
of
any
deal
they
received
in
exchange
for
testimony
and
any
other
cases
that
they
may
have
benefited
from.
Testimony
is
smart
policy.
H
Last
session,
the
assembly
judiciary
committee,
the
senate
judiciary
committee,
did
the
right
thing
by
ensuring
exonerate
nevadans
were
no
were
compensated
for
the
time
they
served
due
to
wrongful
convictions.
Now
the
state
must
make
sure
that
no
other
nevadans
have
decades
of
their
lives
taken
from
them
because
of
false
testimony
from
jailhouse
informants.
H
I
Good
afternoon
kendra
burchie
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office,
I
won't
go
into
too
much
of
the
reasons
as
to
why
this
is
incredibly
important
since
you've,
already
heard
of
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
do
not
wrongfully
convict
an
innocent
person.
I
would
just
add,
as
to
senator
pickard's
question,
I've
spoken
to
bar
council,
because
there
are
some
issues
involved
of
we
have
a
duty
to
disclose
information,
but
this
bill
does
provide
requirements
where
court
could
order
us
to
not
disclose
that
information,
and
I'm
not
talking
about
the
database.
I
Just
the
specific
information
where,
as
long
as
the
court
has
a
hearing,
has
a
discussion
as
to
why
it's
appropriate
to
not
or
to
require
for
the
defense
of
attorney
to
not
provide
that
information
that
their
specific
findings
in
a
written
order.
It's
my
understanding
that
does
protect
defense
attorneys
so
that
we
are
not
in
violation
of
our
ethical
duties
to
represent
our
clients.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
had
that
information
as
well
and
with
that
we
do
urge
your
support
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
J
J
As
you
know,
senator
hansen.
The
state
was
seeking
death
against
demarlo
berry
and,
if
nevada
wasn't
slow
on
the
death
penalty,
like
texas's,
we
could
have
executed
an
innocent
man
in
texas
jail
house,
informant.
Testimony
led
to
the
execution
of
a
man,
cameron,
todd
willingham.
The
new
yorker
did
a
long
article
on
it
in
2009.
J
he's
innocent
the
arson
investigator
that
looked
at
it
as
one
of
the
top
guys
in
in
the
nation,
and
he
was
like
other
forensic
arson.
Investigators
said
if
that
guy
says
it's
not
arson,
it's
not
arson,
so
texas
likely
executed
an
innocent
man
and
nevada
was
almost
at
risk
at
doing
the
same
thing.
So
this
is
a
very
important
measure
to
protect
the
integrity
of
the
justice
system
and
we
urge
your
support.
As
for
senator
pickard's
question,
I
I
don't
know
many
attorneys
in
my
profession
that
have
taken
the
oath.
J
A
K
L
C-H-R-I-S-T-I-N-E-S-A-U-N-D-E-R-S,
I'm
the
policy
director
of
the
progressive
leadership
alliance
of
nevada.
I
also
just
want
to
echo
the
sentiments
of
those
who
spoke
before
me
and
add
our
support
for
this
legislation
to
the
record.
We
urge
you
to
act
to
ensure
these
comments
and
safeguards
are
put
in
place.
Thank
you.
K
M
M
We
uncle
the
previous
comments
when
we
think
of
an
informant,
we
think
of
a
jailhouse
informant.
Seldom
do
we
ever
think
of
a
secret
witness
as
an
informant.
This
type
of
an
informant
has
a
financial
gain.
They
only
can
receive
money
if
there
is
a
conviction,
and
sometimes
the
district
attorney
and
law
enforcement
agencies
may
not
be
aware
or
have
any
knowledge
that
their
witness
is
a
secret
witness
and
if
the
conviction
goes
through
will
receive
monies,
but
sometimes
after
trial,
they
could
learn
that
their
witness
was
a
possible
secret.
M
M
Regardless.
If
the
defense
has
already
appeared
before
the
court
is
working
on
appeal,
post,
conviction,
petition
rid
of
habeas
petition
or
the
defendant
is
in
proceed
or
has
no
petition
or
appealing
must
be
notified,
and
they
should
also
include
under
the
g.
If
at
any
time,
the
district
attorney
receives
this
information,
they
must
notify
these
individuals,
and
then
there
was
this
one
section
where
it
says
if
in
the
in
which
the
informant
offered
to
provide
testimony
exchange
for
a
benefit,
but
you've
reached
two
minutes.
A
M
Okay,
yes,
in
that,
in
that
one
line
there,
it
should
include
if
the
defendant
should
excuse
for
a
benefit,
but
did
not
testify,
it
should
read,
should
include
the
language
but
did
or
did
not
testify.
I
believe
that
would
help
with
the
secret
witness
as
far
as
being
an
informant.
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
to
this
bill.
I'm
gonna
need
you
to
wrap
up
please
the
word.
K
Thank
you
caller
and
for
those
that
have
recently
joined
us
this
afternoon.
We
are
currently
on
support
testimony
for
assembly
bill
201.
If
you'd
like
to
provide
support
testimony
at
this
time,
please
press
star,
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
call
her
with
the
last
three
digits
725,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
It
may
begin.
N
N
While
we
preferred
the
version
of
the
bill
on
the
assembly
side,
we
still
think
this
bill
is
a
good
piece
of
legislation
and
will
do
a
lot
to
help
protect
people
from
wrongful
conviction
due
to
jailhouse.
Informants
jailhouse
warrants
are
inherently
problematic
and
untrustworthy,
as
we
saw
in
the
case
of
demarlo
berry
and
the
181
other
wrongful
convictions
that
were
overturned
a
jailhouse,
informant
not
being
truthful,
can
lead
to
somebody
being
placed
on
death
row
and
sentenced
to
death.
N
K
O
But
in
order
for
that
process
to
work,
we
need
to
make
sure
the
jury
has
all
the
information
if
they
aren't
aware
that
a
witness
is
actually
a
jailhouse
informant
who's,
getting
a
lighter
sentence
in
exchange
for
testimony,
that's
obviously
a
very
substantial
piece
of
information
if
they're
missing
it.
That
makes
it
impossible
for
the
jury
to
make
an
accurate
judgment
and
harder
for
them
to
do
justice
by
requiring
that
this
information
be
disclosed
to
the
jury.
O
K
B
Anne
marie
grant
a-n-n-e-m-a-r-I-e
g-r-a-n-t.
I
support
the
bill.
I
ask
for
the
other
callers
sentiments.
I
do
agree
with
ms
brown
that
secret
witness
should
be
included.
I've
seen
documents
in
a
case
at
washa
county
da's
office
that
it
was
known
that
one
of
their
witnesses
who
testified
at
trial
information
became
known
after
the
trial
that
the
state's
witness
was
an
alleged
secret.
Witness
the
witness
contacted
the
da's
office
that
she
had
been
contacted
by
a
private
investigator,
her
being
a
secret
witness,
and
the
defense
was
having
a
hearing
coming
up.
B
She
basically
asked
the
da's
office.
What
to
do
this?
Witness
did
not
go
to
work
and
she
did
not
return
to
her
home
until
after
the
hearing
she
could
not
be
served
with
a
subpoena
and
she
did
not
have
to
answer
under
oath
if
she
was
paid
for
her
testimony
as
a
secret.
Witness.
I
support
the
bill.
Please
support
the
bill.
Thank
you.
K
K
O
Hi,
yes,
my
name
is
matthew,
wilkie,
m-a-t-t-h-e-w
w-I-l-k-I-e.
Thank
you
so
much
chair
and
the
committee
for
hearing
this
bill.
I
am
not
as
eloquent
as
many
of
the
other
speakers
before
me,
but
I
do
urge
your
support.
I
do
truly
believe
that,
with
proper
with
facts,
we
don't
want
to
send
people
to
jail
prison
death
penalty,
especially
for
crimes
that
they
truly
100
percent
did
not
commit
themselves,
it's
vital
to
preservation
of
of
innocent
individuals.
O
We
see
it
all
the
time,
people
years
down
the
line
you
find
out
that
they're
innocent,
and
I
do
believe
that
this
bill
201
could
be
one
step
further
to
that.
So,
thank
you
so
much
and
I
urge
your.
K
K
P
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
nathaniel
erb
n-a-t-h-a-n-I-e-l
last
name
erb
on
behalf
of
the
national
innocence
project.
I
want
to
thank
the
community
for
hearing
us,
though,
and
assembly
won't
consult
to
bring
it
forward.
Above
all,
I
want
to
thank
chairwoman
shibo
and
the
district
attorney's
association
for
working
with
us
on
this
bill
to
get
it
to
areas
today.
P
Just
briefly,
reiterate
all
the
comments
and
answers
to
the
questions
given
by
my
colleagues
to
a
couple
of
questions
specifically
around
which
informants
are
going
to
be
covered
by
the
legislation
per
section.
4
definitions,
it
would
have
to
be
someone
who
was
incarcerated
with
an
individual
is
providing
testimony
and
is
going
to
be
receiving
benefits.
So
all
those
are
buttoned
together.
P
So
it
would
only
be
those
particular
informants
into
the
question
around
disclosure
of
evidence
that
the
lists
of
the
records
of
jail
performance
would
be
entirely
held
by
the
va's
office,
the
records
unless
there
was
a
preacher
protocol
or
some
type
of
hacking
event
or
something
else.
Where
folks
unlawfully
accessed
information
in
the
district
attorney's
office.
Those
lists
would
never
be
handed
out
per
direct
per
the
regulations
of
the
bill.
It
would
only
be
specific
information
as
part
of
discovery.
P
A
A
L
O
K
K
A
K
A
D
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman,
cecilia
gonzalez
district
16,
for
the
record.
I
just
wanted
to
say
again
thank
you
so
much
chair
to
the
nevada,
district,
attorneys
association
to
the
innocence
project
and
everyone
who
worked
very
diligently,
the
public
defenders
and
the
culinary
union
to
get
us
to
a
point
where
everybody
is
really
comfortable
with
the
bill
again.
This
is
to
prevent
the
wrongful
convictions
and
really
protections
for
all
parties
involved
when
using
jailhouse
informants.
A
A
A
Okay,
I
will
call
this
committee
back
to
order
it's
the
senate
judiciary
committee
on
may
13th,
2021
and
the
81st
session.
We
are
going
to
move
on
to
a
work
session.
Today
we
have
four
bills
to
work
session.
We
will
take
them
in
order,
starting
with
ab7.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
mr
guyan
for
walks.
The
document.
Q
Thank
you
excuse
me.
Thank
you,
chairs,
tribal
for
the
record
patrick
guynan,
the
chair
mentioned.
We
have
four
bills
on
the
work
session
today,
we're
going
to
start
with
assembly
bill
7..
This
is
a
bill
that
revises
provisions
relating
to
gaming.
It's
an
assembly
judiciary
committee
bill
brought
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
gaming
control
board.
Q
Q
The
amendment
strikes
language
requiring
a
ticket
for
a
live
event
to
display,
on
its
face
the
admission
charge
for
the
event
as
that
language
does
not
adequately
reflect
the
complexity
of
the
various
charges
and
fees
that
make
up
an
admission
fee.
Mr
morton
pointed
out
explicitly
that
the
amendment
in
no
way
changes
the
calculation
or
collection
of
the
live
entertainment
tax.
That's
all
I
have
chair.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
from
senator
orenshall.
Do
we
have
a
second
a
second
from
senator
pickard
any
discussion
on
the
motion?
Not
seeing
any?
We
will.
I
will
ask
those
in
favor
to
signify
by
saying
I
and
any
opposed
by
saying,
nay,
the
motion
carries
unanimously
to
amend
and
do
pass
a
b7
and
he
volunteers
for
the
floor
statement.
Q
Thanks
chair
for
the
record,
patrick
geinin,
again,
committee
policy
analyst
we're
at
ab115
now
in
its
first
reprint.
This
bill
is
sponsored
by
assemblywoman
wynn
and
others.
We
heard
it
here
on
april
26th
and
it
relates
to
domestic
relations.
Baby
115
authorizes
one
or
more
adults
to
petition
a
court
for
the
adoption
of
a
child.
Each
prospective
adopting
adult
and
legal
parent
seeking
to
retain
his
or
her
parental
rights
must
be
joined.
Q
As
a
petitioner,
the
court
may
waive
the
hearing
on
a
petition
under
certain
circumstances
and
determine
that
a
child
has
a
legal
relationship
with
more
than
two
persons.
And
lastly,
the
petition
must
state
that
there
are
no
known
signs
that
the
child
is
currently
experiencing
victimization
from
human
trafficking,
exploitation
or
abuse.
Assuming
women
win
has
offered
a
conceptual
amendment
that
is
attached
to
this
document.
Q
The
intent
of
the
amendment
is
to
clarify
in
section
5.2,
that
each
prospective
adopting
adult
and
each
consenting
legal
parent
seeking
to
retain
his
or
her
parental
rights
must
be
considered
by
the
court
as
a
joint
petitioner
and
to
clarify
in
section
5.8
that
any
parent
who
has
signed
a
relinquishment
shall
not
exercise
or
have
any
rights
over
the
adopted
child
or
the
property
of
the
adopted
child.
That's
all
I
have
chair.
A
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
questions
on
ab115?
I
see
one
from
senator
pickard
and
I'll
note
that
we
have
ms
sarat
on
the
phone
and
I
think
we
have
mr
walker
here
to
answer
questions
so
go
ahead.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
not
so
much
questions
to
comment,
and
I
talked
to
mr
ad
at
length
about
this.
The
inclusion
of
language
and
the
amendment
of
a
joint
petitioner
without
creating
a
mechanism
whereby
a
joint
petition
is
authorized,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
particularly
problematic
for
the
courts
and
given
the
language
is
broad
enough
that
it
is
going
to
include
more
than
just
the
situations
where
there
is
a
consenting
or
a
consent
agreement
to
the
deal.
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
support
the
bill
as
written.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
any
other
questions
or
comments
before
I
accept
a
motion
to
amend
and
do
pass
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
from
senator
harris.
Do
we
have
a
second
from
senator
orenshall,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
nay,
all
right?
It
sounds
like
the
nays
are
senators
pickard,
hanson
and
settlemyre,
but
the
motion
does
pass
to
amend
and
do
pass
and
I
will
take
this
floor
statement
next.
We
will
move
to
ab143.
Q
Q
A
All
right
any
questions
on
ab143,
not
seeing
any.
I
would
accept
a
motion
to
do
pass.
I
have
a
motion
from
senator
orange
shaw
and
the
second
from
vice
chair
hanazaro.
Any
discussion
on
the
motion
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
nay,
the
emotion
carries
unanimously.
A
Q
Q
If
the
person
quote
receives
notice,
pursuant
to
paragraph
a
that,
the
illegal
prostitution
may
result
in
prosecution
for
pandering
or
sex
trafficking
pursuant
to
nevada,
revised
statutes,
201.300
or
facilitating
sex
trafficking
pursuant
to
nrs
201.301,
and
it
adds
new
language
providing
that
any
action
taken
to
abate
illegal
prostitution
pursuant
to
this
section,
must
comply
with
any
other
applicable
laws
of
this
state,
including
without
limitation.
The
provisions
of
chapters
118
a
and
118
c
of
nrs.
Those
are
landlord
and
tenant
relations
in
residential
and
commercial
properties
respectively
and
additionally,
with
the
sponsor's
approval.
Q
A
A
All
right,
I've
seen
no
other
discussion,
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
to
amend
and
do
pass,
please
indicate
by
saying
aye
aye
any
opposed,
nay,
the
motion
carries
unanimously.
Is
there
a
volunteer
to
take
the
floor
statement?
I
will
give
it
to
senator
pickard,
and
that
concludes
our
work
session
for
today
and
the
last
item
on
our
agenda,
except
for
public
comment.
I
don't
see
anybody
in
the
room.
Are
you
guys?
Okay?
I
do
see
people
in
the
room
to
give
public
comment.
You
will
each
have
two
minutes.
J
Good
afternoon,
chair
members
of
the
committee,
john
pearl
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office
as
we're
all
familiar,
sometimes
things
die
on
the
altar
close
to
deadline
day
and,
as
we've
been
informed,
there
will
be
no
route
to
successfully
moving
forward
with
av-395,
even
if
amended,
I
really
do
wish.
We
lived
in
a
world
where
people
didn't
harm
each
other,
but
sadly
we're
not
there
and
as
a
public
defender
every
day,
I'm
confronted
with
the
question
of
how
our
society
punishes
the
most
broken
among
us.
J
The
true
question
is
not
whether
a
person
deserves
to
die,
but
whether
we
as
a
society
deserve
to
kill
them
and
to
answer
this
question,
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
a
few
hard
truths
because
truth
and
reconciliation
are
sequential
and
you
can't
have
reconciliation
without
the
truth.
First,
the
truth
is
that
the
authority
to
kill
someone
who
is
imprisoned
for
life
and
is
no
longer
an
immediate
threat
to
others
is
an
awesome
power
and
that
power
must
be
exercised
humanely
fairly
and
reliably.
J
J
Some
of
us
would
not
live
through
this
session
if
one
out
of
nine
planes
crashed-
and
I
wouldn't
fly
up
here-
I'd
drive
up
here
every
weekend
and
if
you
think
convicting
an
innocent
person
is
just
a
national
problem.
It's
not
here.
We
did
it
to
demarlo
berry.
When
the
state
sought
to
kill
him,
the
state
sought
to
kill
fred
stiese.
J
It's
hard
to
put
into
words
how
disheartening
that
is,
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
people
feel
that
way
when
they
bring
things
up.
I'm
sure
all
of
you
fought
for
election
because
you
came
up
here
to
fight
for
things
you
believe
in,
and
we
do
the
same
when
we
come
up
here.
I
Kendrick
burch
at
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office,
I'll
start
by
just
echoing
what
mr
perot
said.
One
of
the
most
difficult
things
as
a
defense
attorney
is
to
go
to
trial
on
someone
who
is
innocent,
and
I
cannot
imagine
doing
that
with
someone
who's
facing
the
death
penalty,
which
is
why
we've
been
working
so
diligently
this
session
to
try
to
abolish
the
death
penalty
and
we're
willing
to
continue
to
work
and
to
work
on
ways
to
fix
our
broken
system.
I
Capital
punishment
is
a
racially
discriminatory,
arbitrary
and
archaic
system
with
grave
costs
both
morally
and
financially,
because
it
is
fraught
with
error.
Now
is
the
time
to
hear
ways
that
we
can
fix
this
current
broken
system
since
1973,
185
individuals
across
the
nation
have
been
sentenced
to
death,
have
been
exonerated,
including
roberto
miranda
and
paul
browning.
Here
in
nevada,
who
spent
decades
on
nevada's
death
row
for
crimes,
they
did
not
commit.
I
I
I
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
last
session
as
well
as
this
session
too,
about
demaro
berry,
and
I
think
it's
important
just
to
bring
him
up
again
as
to
why
we
need
to
do
something
now.
The
time
is
now
and
we
urge
this
committee
to
consider
anything,
including
I
cannot
say
the
word
right
now,
my
motorium.
So
thank
you.
I
appreciate
it
and
I
appreciate
your
time
today.
A
K
K
K
L
T-A-Y-L-O-R-P-A-T-T-E-R-S-O-N,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
native
voters,
alliance,
nevada
and
a
member
of
the
bishop
haiyu
tribe,
and
I'm
just
calling
in
today
to
echo
the
sentiments
that
were
spoken
earlier
to
have
a
hearing
for
ab395
it's
important
to
listen
to
the
constituency
and
I
think
it's
very
clear
that
all
of
us
are
really
resounding
that
we
need
to
have
this
conversation
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
K
R
Hello,
my
name
is
yesenia
malia
y
e
s
e
n.
I
a
m
o
y
a.
I
would
like
to
echo
all
the
sentiments
that
have
been
here
before
me
for
public
comment.
I
believe
that
you
need
to
listen
to
the
constituency.
We
need
to
have
a
hearing
on
8395.
R
K
L
Hello,
my
name
is
erica
minneberry,
that's
e-r-I-k-a-m-I-n-a-b-e-r-r-y,
and
I
am
calling
to
say
that
it
is
time
for
us
to
hear
a
death
penalty
bill.
We
elected
you
to
do
something
important
for
us.
I
personally
knocked
thousands
of
doors
in
2018
and
2020
to
get
y'all
elected.
I
cried
in
2018
when
we
had
the
majority,
and
now
it's
like
you
guys,
are
playing
the
best
game
of
secret
hitler
ever
because
I
really
can't
tell
which
one
of
you
is
the
fascist
and
which
one
isn't.
L
K
S
Hi
there,
my
name
is
jamie
shepler,
that's
j-a-I-m-e-e
s-h-e-p-l-e-r.
So
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
I'm
very,
very
disgusted
with
this
committee
passing
ab286.
S
I
do
think
you
guys
need
the
consent
of
the
governed
and
you
should
put
it
on
a
ballot.
But
of
course
you
don't
care
what
any
of
us
think.
Yesterday
I
heard
you
guys
discussing
ab400
and
ab424
seemed
very
concerned
with
the
constitutional
rights
and
liberties
of
criminals.
When
discussing
ab-400,
someone
said
that
just
having
marijuana
in
your
system
does
not
mean
you're
guilty
same
goes
with
ab-286
just
having
a
built.
Home-Built
firearm
does
not
make
you
guilty.
S
Dallas
hares,
when
presenting
ab424
stated
it's
not
always
easy,
letting
people
have
their
liberties.
She
was
right.
Maybe
a
home
built
guns
make
some
of
you
uncomfortable,
but
it
is
our
constitutional
right.
I
do
want
to
say
that
legislation
should
not
be
born
out
of
emotion
and
fear.
It
should
be
based
on
facts.
The
fact
is,
increased
gun
laws
cannot
stop
gun
crime
in
the
states
and
cities
that
the
strictest
laws
are
the
highest
gun
crime
rates
in
the
cities
where
they've
eased
gun
laws
gun
crime
rates
have
gone
down.
S
I
also
was
involved
in
an
active
shooter
situation,
so
I
know
what
that
chaos
and
horror
feels
like
I've
also
had
someone
shot
in
my
front
yard.
One
thing
I
had
to
come
to
grips
with
and
realize
is
that
it
wasn't
the
fault
of
the
guns
or
the
gun
manufacturers.
It
was
purely
the
person
behind
the
act
when
someone
sets
out
to
kill
people
they'll
find
a
way
to
do
it.
If
it's
not
a
gun,
it
will
be
a
car,
at-home,
explosive
device
knife
or
some
other
weapon.
S
I
heard
a
lot
of
talk
of
ending
gun
violence
gun
violence.
More
importantly,
violence
will
never
be
ended.
It's
been
going
on
since
the
beginning
of
time,
because
some
people
are
born
bad
as
someone
who's
helped
friends
build
guns.
It's
hurtful
to
have
people
in
this
committee
labeling
profiling
and
stereotyping,
those
who
make
guns
as
criminals
and
extremists
and
that's
not
true-
and
it's
not
easy
or
cheap-
to
build
a
gun
at
home.
It
requires
much
more
than
just
parts.
S
K
B
I
had
put
in
a
public
records
request
with
the
washoe
county
district
attorney's
office
in
regards
to
their
conviction,
integrity
committee
and
what
I
got
out
of
that
request,
basically,
is
that
it's
a
dog
and
pony
show
since
their
inception,
which
I
was
told
through
the
public
records
request,
it
was
2018
d.a,
jennifer
noble,
testified
to
assembly
judiciaries
2017.
B
B
K
L
Hi
there,
my
name
is
mary
gilbert,
m-a-r-y
g-I-l-b-e-r-t,
I'm
here
to
echo
what
you
have
been
already
hearing,
that
the
death
penalty
is
a
continuation
of
the
american
tradition
of
lynching.
L
L
K
K
L
These
tough
decisions
that
we
have
to
make
are
held
hostage
by
people's
continued
political
careers,
and
we
really
have
to
ask
ourselves:
do
we
want
to
be
a
state
who
kills
people?
Do
we
want
to
be
responsible
for
the
deaths
of
people
who
cause
harm
to
our
community
instead
of
really
doing
the
tough
work
and
getting
to
the
root
causes
of
why
this
happened
in
our
state?
We
have
the
death
penalty.
Now
it
didn't
stop
amari
nicholson
for
being
murdered.
It
hasn't
stopped
anybody
from
being
being
murdered.
L
It's
truly
embarrassing
that
our
our
legislature
that
prides
itself
on
being
diverse
and
women-led
can't
get
this
right.
You
still
have
one
more
day
to
save
your
embarrassment
and
to
save
you
know
whatever
comes
next,
but
truly,
I
hope
you
listen
to
the
community
and
not
think
that
we
can
just
have
a
post-election
crisis
and
then
we'll
forget.
We
will
never
forget
if
you
kill
the
death
penalty
bill
again,.
K
R
R
This
is
a
tough
job
that
you
all
have,
and
you
know
I'm
looking
at
some
of
these
statements
that
we're
writing
and
realizing
that
we
found
out
something
incredible
incredibly
important
to
us,
just
sort
of
died
without
really
any
clear
notice
and
that's
fine.
R
I
understand
the
pressures
I
understand
what
you
face
on
a
daily
basis
and
that
this
is
never
easy,
but
I
think
ms
martin
brought
up
something
pretty
compelling
all
of
these
movements,
everything
that
we
have
fought
for
through
this
body,
through
local
government
advocacy
through
litigation,
these
processes
take
years,
and
we
were
at
a
point
where,
like
we
get
to
on
every
other
piece
of
legislation
that
moves
through
where
we
are
ready
to
compromise
and
talk
about
something
that
gets
us
at
least
a
bit
closer,
and
we
didn't
have
a
chance
or
an
opportunity
to
do
that
this
session,
when
people
were
ready
to
do
that,
I
hope
that
we
can
continue
talking
about
this.
R
I
think
that
what
mr
pirro
had
brought
up
an
idea
of
a
moratorium
or
something
different
in
the
future
to
continue
moving
this
forward
when
support
for
abolition
is
growing
exponentially,
that
it
is
time
to
act
that
it
is
time
to
do
something.
K
R
Hi,
my
name
is
jamila
lewis,
gotta
spell
j-a-m-e-e-l-a-h
last
name,
lewis,
l
e
w.
I
s
I'm
calling
today
to
ask
for
a
moratorium
of
ab395.
R
I
would
like
to
echo
the
same
sentiments
as
everyone
who
came
before
me.
I
think
that
it
is
really
invalidating
foolish
and
I
think
it's
straight
up
disrespectful
for
the
governor
and
for
you
all
not
to
support
ending
the
death
penalty,
specifically
because
I'm
in
the
state
of
nevada
that
mostly
impacts
and
disproportionately
impacts
black
and
brown
vote.
Last
time,
I
called
to
ask
that
you
all
support
an
ending
the
death
pen
penalty.
R
I
begged
you
and
I
actually
pleaded
to
you
and
today
I'm
not
going
to
plead
to
you,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
that
a
sin
is
a
sin,
regardless
of
where
you
stand
on
that
sin
right.
So,
regardless
of
how
you
vote
today
or
whatever
you
do,
if
you're
not
supporting
the
ending,
if
you're
not
supporting
the
ending
of
people
dying
while
in
incarceration,
then
you
are
part
of
the
problem
right,
you're,
also
part
of
the
sin
and
your
hands
also
in
it.
R
K
R
Courtney
jones
c-o-u-r-t-n-e-y,
j-o-n-e-s
27
states
still
have
the
death
penalty.
Virginia's
became
one
of
the
first
southern
states
to
abolish
it
in
2021,
and
I'm
asking
you
all
to
fight
for
this
bill
because
we
have
a
humane
crisis
on
our
hands.
It
shows
your
constituents
that
you
stand
with
the
side
of
the
country
that
has
historically
been
racist,
discriminatory
and
unfair
to
black
communities.
R
But
if
that's
the
way
we
want
to
go,
then
to
quote
the
nevada.
The
nevada
coalition
against
the
death
penalty,
eliminating
the
death
penalty
space
would
have
millions
of
dollars
a
year
to
invest
in
programs
that
are
proven
to
prevent
violent
crime,
create
safer
communities
and
support
those
who
are
harmed
by
crime
and
violence.
R
So
taking
someone's
life
is
nothing
small
and
we
have
continually
had
impacted
families.
Tell
you
all
that
an
eye
for
an
eye
is
not
the
way
to
go,
as
I'm
sure
you
all
have
heard,
and
I
and
for
an
eye,
makes
the
whole
world
blind.
We
are
saying
that
these
people
are
irr,
are
irredeemable
and
just
have
nothing.
You
know
just
have
no
no
way
to
come
back
to
the
community,
and
I
wanted
to
thank
the
nevada
coalition
to
the
against
the
death
penalty
for
standing
up
and
continuing
to
even
when
our
representatives
don't.
So.
K
M
Tanya
brown
t-o-n-j-a-b-r-o-w-n
advocates
for
the
inmates
and
the
innocent
I'd
like
to
echo
the
previous
comments
made
regarding
ab395,
but
I
also
like
to
include
another
person's
name
that
most
people
aren't
aware
of.
Although
he
wasn't
in
nevada,
mr
ray
crone,
mr
ray
crone
was
convicted
twice
the
first
time
he
received
the
death
penalty.
M
His
conviction
was
overturned.
He
received
a
second
trial
at
which
time
he
was
found
guilty
again,
but
the
judge
in
the
case
in
all
good
conscience,
could
not
give
him
the
death
penalty.
There
was
just
something
about
the
case
that
bothered
him
and
he
didn't
want
to
execute
an
innocent
man.
Should
it
turn
out
that
way.
M
Well,
ultimately,
mr
crone
wound
up
getting
dna
testing
and
he
was
exonerated
and
the
reason
I
say
it's
almost
a
nevada
case
is
because
the
main
witness
he
was
a
forensic
doctor
dealing
with
dental
bites
was
nevada,
senator
ray
rothen.
It
was
miss
mr
rossen's
testimony
that
got
mr
crone
convicted
twice
first
time
receiving
the
death
penalty
the
second
time,
and
then
I
want
to
personally
speak
on
another
issue
which
my
brother,
who
had
spent
21
years
in
prison
for
a
crime
he
didn't
commit,
I'm
there.
M
Fortunately,
there
was
nobody
was
murdered
in
this
in
this
particular
case,
because
if
hey
there
had
been
someone
murdered,
there's
no
doubt
in
my
mind
he
would
have
received
the
death
penalty
and
he
would
be
on
death
row
and
only
to
find
out
21
years
later
that
the
district
attorney's
office
that
prosecuted
an
attorney
had
withheld
all
the
exculpatory
admin
that
was
discovered
in
2009
when
the
the
judge
ordered
mr
district
attorney
dick
damage
to
turn
over
the
entire
file
when
it
was
turned
over
all
the
exculpatory
evidence,
all
the
evidence
that
would
have
exonerated
him
had
it
been
turned
over
so
and
you've
reached.
M
K
L
R
L
L
R
We're
not
even
here
asking
for
the
death
penalty
against
the
people,
who've
been
using
the
death
penalty
to
murder
the
people
in
our
communities
we're
asking
for
a
better
way,
so
people
are
irredeemable.
What
does
it
say
about
how
irredeemable
the
people
who
are
currently
in
office?
Not
even
addressing
the
issue
are
thank.
R
K
T
T
It's
already
been
stated
that
we
have
challenges
here
when
it
comes
to
the
black
lives
matter,
issue
and
persons
who
have
stood
up
and
said
that
they
are
in
solidarity
with
the
movement
for
black
lives,
but
not
taking
into
account
the
way
this
disproportionately
affects
those
who,
god
has
chosen
to
kiss
more
with
the
son,
also
tells
us
in
scripture.
The
prophet
isaiah
says
in
the
sixth
chapter,
eighth
verse.
He
essentially
says
that
he
heard
the
lord
asking,
who
should
I
send
for
me
and
the
request,
or
the
response
was
here.
T
Lastly,
I
will
ask
you
about
the
american
rescue
plan
that
lays
out
a
way
to
reduce
gun
violence
into
way
to
reduce
actual
violent
crimes
in
our
land,
of
all
of
the
things
that
evidence-based
things
that
it
lays
out
the
death
penalty
is
not
one
of
them.
So
my
question
is:
if
we're
looking
at
the
evidence
as
to
how
we
can
reduce
violent
crime,
where
does
this
fall?
Eid
lobara
to
my
brothers
and
sisters
who
who
who
follow
islam
and
grace
and
peace?
T
K
R
I
am
an
organizer
with
the
mass
liberation
project,
so
I
simply
just
want
to
say
if
you
are
for
the
death
penalty
and
anyone
who
helps
carry
the
death
penalty
out,
you
are
just
as
guilty
as
those
that
you
are
killing
and
you
need
to
think
about
that.
How
do
we
go
straight
into
killing
people?
How
do
we
go
straight
into
you?
Did
this
wrong,
so
I'm
going
to
kill
you!