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B
A
We
may
limit
testimony
depending
on
how
long
the
presentation
takes
the
presenters
will
have
ample
time
to
give
their
presentation.
At
the
conclusion
of
the
presentation,
we
will
take
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
I
ask
that
members
of
the
committee
be
as
brief
as
possible
in
their
questions,
but
still
of
course
ensure
that
you
cover
anything
that
you
need
to
know
about
the
bill.
A
Each
member
of
the
committee
will
only
get
one
opportunity
to
ask
questions
in
this
hearing
and
if
any
series
of
questions
goes
on,
including
the
answers
longer
than
20
minutes,
I
may
ask
that
you
continue
to
follow
up
offline.
I
will
try
to
be
flexible
so
that
everybody
can
get
their
questions
answered
without
being
unfair,
so
with
those
ground
rules
going
forward.
A
After
that,
we
will
go
to
testimony
first
in
support,
then
in
opposition,
then
in
neutral
in
each
one
of
those
positions
we
will
first
take
testimony
from
people
who
are
here
in
the
room.
The
people
who
are
here
in
the
room
have
registered
online
to
be
present
and
they
were
selected
on
a
first
come
first
serve
basis
and
after
they
have
testified,
we
will
go
to
the
phones
for
testimony
from
people
who
have
called
in
to
testify,
and
then
we
will
repeat
that
process
in
all
three
positions.
A
At
the
conclusion
of
the
testimony,
I
will
close
the
hearing
on
the
bill
and
we
will
go
to
public
comment
and
that
will
conclude
our
meeting
for
today
and
I
hope
that
we
can
get
through
this
smoothly
and
civilly.
I
know
that
this
bill
may
provoke
some
strong
responses,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
not
to
make
any
of
their
questions
comments
or
other
statements
personal
to
keep
it
to
the
policy,
and
I
look
forward
to
having
a
robust
discussion
today
and
I
will
invite
assemblymember
haudegee
to
the
table
to
present
ab286.
C
While
we
made
progress
while
we
have
made
progress
in
the
years
since
then,
we've
also
continued
to
see
violent
incidents
that
have
left
both
nevada
have
left
nevadans
questioning
the
safety
of
our
community
assembly
bill
286
deals
with
the
rising
epidemic
of
unmarked
untraceable
guns,
also
known
as
ghost
guns.
Ghost
guns
are
growing
in
popularity
because
they
circumvent
background
checks
and
they
are
untraceable.
C
These
type
of
these
type
of
guns
are
manufactured
in
homes
and
also
sold
online,
as
kits
that
are
then
easily
assembled,
and
if
they
are
used
in
a
crime
law
enforcement
has
no
way
to
trace
them
because
they
do
not
have
serial
numbers
in
2020
federal
atf
agents
raided
a
nevada-based
company
polymer
80,
one
of
the
nation's
largest
manufacturers
of
ghost
guns.
Polymer
80
was
illegally
manufacturing
and
distributing
firearms
failing
to
pay
taxes,
shipping
guns
across
state
lines
and
not
conducting
background
checks.
C
Last
september,
two
la
county,
sheriff's
deputies
were
shot
while
sitting
in
their
patrol
vehicle
by
a
man
using
a
gun
he
built
with
parts
from
polymer
80.
chair.
I
would
now
like
to
turn
it
over
to
david
pasino,
with
the
giffords
law
center,
followed
by
steve
lindley,
with
brady
united
for
further
remarks.
D
I
I
apologize
thank
you
very
much
to
the
chair
and
I
am
david
pacino,
I'm
a
senior
staff
attorney
with
giffords
law
center
to
prevent
gun
violence,
which
is
the
legal
arm
of
the
organization
founded
by
former
congresswoman
and
gun
violence,
survivor,
gabby
giffords.
D
Those
guns
have
emerged
as
an
issue
of
pressing
national
concern.
The
president
spoke
on
this
issue
in
his
joint
address
to
congress
law
enforcement
nations
across
the
country
cite
their
explosive
rise,
and
I
personally
believe
that
ghost
guns
pose
the
fastest
rising
threat
to
gun
safety
in
the
country
and
in
nevada,
particularly
and
it's
a
threat
that
can
be
addressed
immediately
and
a
significant
measure
by
enacting
assembly
bill.
286
ghost
guns
are
designed
to
evade
our
gun
laws
by
ingeniously,
exploiting
a
loophole
in
the
way
that
the
federal
government
regulates.
D
This
process
is
what
allows
the
firearm
tracing
process
to
occur,
and
this
tracing
process
is
a
critical
tool
for
law
enforcement
and
gun
investigations,
because
it
allows
them
to
connect
a
recovered
firearm
to
its
retail
buyer
and
back
up
the
supply
chain
and
therefore
it
allows
for
a
crime
gun
to
be
identified
with
its
owner,
ghost
guns
obeyed.
All
of
these
regulations.
D
Companies,
including
polymer
80,
will
sell
a
frame
receiver
that
has
not
been
fully
manufactured
and,
as
a
result,
the
federal
government
will
not
classify
it
as
a
firearm.
So
there's
no
background
check.
There
is
no
serial
number
and
there
are
no
records.
These
firearms
are
untraceable
and
they
are
often
sold
with
all
the
guides
tools
and
parts
needed
to
produce
a
fully
functioning
weapon
with
no
particular
training
or
experience.
D
As
a
result,
they
are
a
ready
way
for
people
who
are
not
allowed
to
buy
a
gun
to
nonetheless
obtain
one
and
they've
been
used
by
such
individuals,
who
may
have
been
underage
and
therefore
unable
to
purchase,
may
have
been
convicted
of
a
felony
or
otherwise
ineligible
and
they've
been
using
mass
violence
by
such
people.
D
Ghost
guns
have
become
so
pervasive
in
other
states
that,
as
many
as
one
in
three
recovered
in
california
is
a
ghost
gun
and
in
cities
across
the
country.
We're
seeing
numbers
in
that
in
that
range.
D
So,
while
the
problem
of
ghost
guns
may
have
first
emerged
on
the
far
west
coast
in
california,
it's
rapidly
spreading
across
the
country
and
city
after
city
is
reporting.
Massive
increases
in
the
number
of
ghost
guns
that
recovering
this
disturbing
trend
has
accelerated
throughout
the
course
of
the
pandemic
and
ghost
gun
sellers
are
often
reporting
that
they
are
selling
so
quickly.
They
are
unable
to
keep
their
products
in
stock,
but
precisely
because
these
products
have
date
federal
regulation,
we
don't
truly
know
how
many
ghost
guns
there
are
out
there.
D
Part
of
the
reason
for
this
explosion
in
ghost
guns
is
that
they
are
highly
appealing
to
gun
traffickers.
Normally
one
who
needs
to
go
purchase.
A
firearm
needs
to
pass
a
background
check,
needs
to
produce
sales
records,
and
so
firearm
traffickers
employ
individuals,
called
straw,
purchasers
who
have
clean
records
and
can
walk
into
a
gun
dealer
and
make
a
purchase,
but
there's
no
need
for
that.
With
ghost
guns,
there's
no
need
to
move
different
dealers
to
disguise
buying
patterns.
D
There's
no
need
to
worry
about
paperwork
that
will
link
the
guns
back
to
the
purchase,
they're
easy
to
obtain
and
they're
untraceable.
It's
no
wonder,
then,
that
law
enforcement
uncovering
trafficking
rings
often
find
ghost
guns
at
the
rings,
and
that's
happened
in
nevada,
where
one
trafficking
ring
was
using
ghost
gun
products
to
manufacture
machine
guns.
D
Ab286
will
address
this
growing
crisis
by
cutting
off
the
supply
guns
at
its
source
and
doing
so
immediately
section
three
of
the
bill
would
prohibit
the
unfinished
frames
and
receivers
that
are
designed
to
avoid
federal
regulation.
Section
405
will
address
the
manufacturer,
possession
and
sale
of
the
completed
weapons
together.
This
bill
will
give
the
enforcement
tools
that
are
needed
to
stop
the
flow
of
these
parts
of
traffickers
that
are
flooding
the
streets
with
untraceable
firearms.
D
D
It
will
also
not
prohibit
the
activities
of
hobbyists
and
scratch
builder
enthusiasts,
who
build
historically
accurate
firearms
because
there's
an
exception
for
antique
firearms,
which
would
include
replicas
of
weapons
made
for
the
20th
century.
It
will
also
not
prevent
gun
enthusiasts
from
assembling
and
customizing
legally
owned.
Traditionally
manufactured
firearms,
anyone
who
is
allowed
to
possess
firearms
will
still
be
able
to
purchase
a
serialized
frame
or
receiver
and
use
that
as
the
central
piece
around
which
to
build
a
firearm.
D
And
finally,
I
want
to
note
that
this
bill,
while
this
bill,
would
immediately
address
the
problem
of
ghost
guns,
flooding
the
streets,
it
would
not
immediately
criminalize
criminalize
those
who
possess
untraceable
firearms
that
were
initially
legal
when
they
purchased
them.
There'll
be
a
grace
period
that
will
run
until
january
1st,
during
which
time
such
individuals
will
be
able
to
sell
surrender
or
render
inoperable
their
untraceable
firearms.
D
E
Thank
you
so
before
we
start
with
a
short
presentation,
I
just
want
to
talk
about
what
actually
is
a
ghost
gun
so
right
now,
this
is
what
we're
talking
about.
E
This
is
the
lower
receiver
of
a
polymer
80,
glock
clone
and
with
very
minor
changes
to
this
firearm
and
to
this
lower
receiver,
which
is
provided
with
a
a
kit
in
order
for
you
to
identify
what
pieces
that
you
need
to
cut
off
or
sand
off
and
where
to
drill
in
order
to
make
the
holes
with
this
lower
receiver,
you
have
a
firearm,
and
unfortunately,
this
does
not
have
a
serial
number.
Therefore
it
does
not
have
to
go
through
a
background
check
process
and
it
is
untraceable
by
law
enforcement.
E
So
let
me
share
my
screen
here
and
we'll
kind
of
talk
about
what
ghost
guns
are
and
why
they're
an
issue
here
in
throughout
the
united
states.
E
So
essentially,
a
ghost
gun
is
a
lower
receiver
or
the
lower
portion
of
the
fire
of
a
firearm
that
is
built
to
the
80
percent
level
of
the
firearm.
That
means
you
still
need
about
20
percent
in
order
to
make
the
lower
receiver
a
firearm
with
that.
If
it
is
below
that
80
percent
under
current
atf
regulations,
it
does
not
require
that
firearm
to
be
serialized
and
with
no
serialization.
That
means
no
background
check.
Process
needs
to
take
place
in
order
to
purchase
or
sell
the
firearm.
E
Hence
the
ghost
gun,
because
you
know
it
is
untraceable
by
law
enforcement
and
really,
as
far
as
the
law
is
concerned,
it
doesn't
really
exist.
So
you
know
the
big
problem
here
is
the
background
check
process.
The
brady
background
check
process
has
proven
over
the
last
25
years,
be
very
effective
in
keeping
prohibited
people
from
purchasing
firearms,
and
that
includes
both
felons
people
with
mental
health
issues.
People
with
domestic
violence
pass
or
people
who
are
wanted
by
law
enforcement.
E
So
I
want
to
go
over
the
two
different
types
of
you
know,
ghost
guns
that
are
out
there
and
kind
of
how
the
problem
really
started
here
in
california.
So,
on
the
far
left
hand
side
here
we
have
a
lower
receiver
to
an
ar-15.
This
is
taken
at
a
gun
show
here
in
california,
and
you
can
purchase
this
lower
receiver
unserialized
as
a
ghost
gun
for
120,
and
this
was
made
out
of
a
aluminum
stainless
steel
alloy.
E
Here's
the
same
ghost
gun
in
here
in
the
center
on
the
right,
I'm
sorry,
the
left
hand
side.
That's
the
magazine
wheel
here
in
in
the
center
is
what
needs
to
be
drilled
out
in
order
to
put
the
trigger
assembly
and
make
this
into
a
firearm
that
will
require
to
be
serialized
and
on
the
right
hand,
side
here
are
various
types
of
lower
receivers
for
an
ar-15
platform
that
include
a
a
small
pistol
and
some
plastic
receivers
as
well.
E
So
these
are
readily
available
at
brick
and
mortar
stores,
they're
available
online
to
be
shipped
to
you.
No
questions
asked
and
at
gun
shows
throughout
the
united
states,
including
california
and
the
vitamin.
So
let's
look
at
the
what
the
real
problem
here
is.
So
as
far
as
the
atf
tracing
report
for
2018,
there
were
around
a
thousand
long
guns
recovered
in
the
silver
state.
Assault
weapons
are
a
small
percentage
of
those
recovered
firearms.
E
So
if
you
look
at
the
assault
weapons
that
are
used
in
most
mass
shootings,
that
is
correct,
however,
on
the
day-to-day
crime
they're
not
recovered.
Very
often,
however,
handguns
are
the
firearm
of
choice
for
for
most
criminals,
so
in
2018
a
little
over
4,
500
firearms,
our
handguns
were
recovered
and
that's
where
the
real
problem
lies,
because
we've
seen
the
change
from
the
ar-15
platform,
lower
receivers,
ghost
guns
to
the
handguns
and
the
glock
clones.
E
E
in
january
2020
the
vendor
started
marketing
them
mainly
put
together
so
the
pieces
of
the
kit
that
that's
in
this
box
are
already
put
together
in
here,
and
the
slide
is
held
together
with
rubber
bands
and
a
zip
tie.
So
you
have
more
of
a
fully
functionally
looking
firearm
as
compared
to
what
they
were
doing
just
a
month
before
and
then
here's
the
polymer
80
kit.
E
You
know
that
you
could
at
one
time
purchase
before
the
atf
rated
them,
and
this
was
their
buy,
build
shoot
kit,
every
piece
that
you
needed
in
order
to
put
the
firearm
together
in
order
to
take
off
the
pieces
in
order
to
sand
things
and
the
drill
bits
in
order
to
drill
the
holes
were
in
this
kit,
you
just
needed
a
dremel
tool
or
a
regular
drill
and
about
20
to
40
minutes
of
your
time,
depending
on
your
skill
level,
and
that's
where
the
real
problem
starts
to
come
in,
because
we're
switching
from
the
ar-15
platform
to
the
handguns
and
handguns
are
used
far
more
in
crimes.
E
So
we
have
some
statistics
here
from
california,
and
this
is
the
first
statistic
is
from
the
atf
offices
here
in
california,
and
this
is
from
2019
at
approximately
30
of
all
their
investigations
led
to
the
confiscation
of
of
ghost
guns.
So
30
percent
of
the
guns
that
they're
recovering
in
2019
are
considered
ghost
guns-
and
that's
that's
atf
here
for
california,
los
angeles
police
department
on
40
of
the
firearms
they
recovered
in
2019
are
considered
ghost
guns.
E
Now
there
is
a
difference
between
ghost
guns
and
guns
that
have
had
their
their
serial
numbers
obliterated
law
enforcement
noses.
This
is
ghost
guns,
firearms
that
were
manufactured
with
no
serial
number
and
were
sold
without
background
checks.
That
is
a
considerable
considerable
problem,
and
year
after
year
after
year,
we've
seen,
the
number
of
ghost
guns
were
covered
by
law
enforcement
increase
across
the
nation.
E
So
how
are
ghost
guns
being
used?
Yes,
they're
being
used
in
mass
shootings
that
are
also
being
used
to
target
law
enforcement,
so
in
june
2019
a
felon
used
a
ghost
gun,
15
to
ambush
shoot
and
kill.
Sacramento
police
officer,
tara,
o'sullivan.
E
In
may
2020,
a
boogaloo
member
used
a
ghost
gun
to
kill
federal
security
officer,
pat
underwood
again
he
was
ambushed
and
killed
using
a
ghost
gun,
the
weapon
of
choice
and
then,
recently
september
of
last
year,
a
felon
used
a
ghost
gun
to
ambush
and
shoot
two
los
angeles
county.
Sheriff's
deputies
both
survived,
fortunately,
but
they
were
also
shot
in
the
head.
E
Okay.
So
what
are
states
other
states
doing
about
this
issue?
Yes,
ghost
guns
is
more
of
a
product
of
california
and
in
2016
california
tried
to
resolve
this
issue
with
assembly
bill
1673,
which
would
basically
abandon
ghost
guns
in
california.
E
However,
that
was
vetoed
by
governor
brown
at
the
time
fast
forward
on
to
2019
assembly
bill
879
was
signed
by
governor
newsom,
but
that
won't
take
effect
until
2022
and
it
was
more
of
a
regulatory
process
in
order
to
conduct
background
checks
on
ghost
guns,
using
california's
ammunition,
background
check
system,
but
again
we're
a
little
over
a
year
before
that
is
actually
implemented.
E
Pennsylvania
in
december
2019,
the
attorney
general-
there
classifies
ghost
guns
as
firearms,
so
again
changing
the
way
that
that
state
looks
at
ghost
guns,
saying
they're,
actually,
firearms
washington,
d.c
signed
emergency
legislation,
banning
these
ghost
gun
kits
because
you
know
they're
essentially
untraceable,
and
they
saw
a
rise
in
the
use
of
them
in
crimes
around
washington
dc
rhode
island
also
followed
suit.
E
When
the
governor
signed
a
bill
banning
so-called
ghost
guns
and
ghost
guns
kits
through
throughout
the
state,
it
makes
it
illegal
to
manufacture
import,
sell
ship
or
deliver
possess,
transfer
or
receive
any
firearm
that
is
made
from
plastic
fiberglass
or
through
a
3d
printed
process
again
without
a
serial
number
on
untraceable
to
law
enforcement
and
not
requiring
any
sort
of
background
check
process.
E
So
washington
dc
further
targeted
a
specific
manufacturer,
polymer
80
for
legally
advertising
and
selling
untraceable
firearms
throughout
the
district
to
their
to
the
consumers.
Here,
new
york
again
is
looking
at
suing
a
number
of
online
ghost
gun
suppliers,
making
sure
that
they're
going
to
stop
selling
them
online,
and
I
know
that
it
has
been
sold
to
people
that
are
underage
and
including
a
project
that
brady
took
on
where
we
were
able
to
have
a
underage
individual
someone
who
was
17
years
old
purchase
a
ghost
gun
kit
online.
E
No
questions
asked,
and
that's
also
is
a
major
problem,
so
city
of
los
angeles,
specifically,
you
know,
suing
the
manufacturer
from
paul
former
80,
because
how
they
they
market
their
buy,
build
shoot
kits,
considering
them
fully
functional
firearms
and
in
2020
alone,
over
700
firearms
that
were
recovered
by
lapd
were
traced
back
to
the
manufacturer
of
polymer
80..
Now
we
don't
know
who
sold
those
firearms,
but
they
come
back
as
the
manufacturer,
because
one
thing
that
polymer
80
does
do
is
on
the
side
of
their
firearms.
E
They
are,
they
are
not.
They
are
not
saturday
night,
special
type
firearms.
If
you
put
these
together
with
the
provided
parts,
this
is
a
high
quality
firearm,
very
reminiscent
of
a
glock
17
and
for
the
most
part
indistinguishable
from
a
glock
17.,
so
enhance
the
lawsuit
from
the
city
of
los
angeles.
E
So
we
have
some
other
antidotes
here
of
mass
shootings
because
again
they're
these
ghost
guns
are
easy
to
get,
and
this
is
happening
not
just
here
in
california,
but
throughout
the
nation.
So
back
in
august
of
2019,
an
individual
used,
a
ar-15
ghost
gun
to
shoot
of
you
know
a
number
of
people
killing
nine
of
them
in
dayton,
ohio,
and
then
we
had
a
16
year
old
here
in
california
who
shot
five
of
his
classmates
at
saugus
high
school
like
killing
two
of
them.
E
So
this
problem
is,
is
here
it
is
growing
and
is
about
to
become
uncontrollable,
for
government
and
law
enforcement
to
take
to
take
action
with
unless
we
do
something
about
it
right
now.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
and
chair
before
we
go
to
questions
if
it's
okay,
if
I
play
the
video,
so
this
is
a
video
of
stephen
abrams,
a
17
year
old,
high
school.
B
D
D
D
D
B
E
E
C
And
then
cherish
schreibel
if
it's
okay
with
you
I'd
like
to
answer
and
then
turn
it
over
to
my
presenters
to
see
if
they
have
anything
they'd
like
to
add
but
senator
orrinshaw,
that's
the
problem
with
ghost
guns
is
it's
a
way
to
bypass
background
checks.
D
D
I
C
Altogether,
I
would
like
to
defer
to
my
co-presenters,
mr
pacino,
if
you
would
like
to
thank
you.
D
Thank
you
very
much
assemblywoman.
This
is
david
pasino.
No,
it
would
not
a
individual
who
would
like
to
build.
A
firearm
at
home
would
be
able
to
purchase
a
finished
frame
receiver
with
a
serial
number
and
then
be
able
to
build
or
modify
a
firearm
that
would
be
fully
traceable
and
compliant
with
this
law.
I
Thank
you
for
those,
I
guess
who
already
have
these
guns?
I
I
D
So
this
is
david
pacino.
The
process
for
an
individual
who
wanted
to
sell
them
would,
I
think,
actually
be
fairly
simple
and
that
they
could
sell
to
a
licensed
dealer.
So
one
of
these
products
that
was
surrendered
to
a
licensed
dealer
or
a
manufacturer
would
then
be
able
to
serialize
themselves
and
then
resell
them,
and
that
process
could
take
place.
The
the
other
processes
involved.
C
D
Yes,
of
course,
this
is
david
casino.
The
the
component
could
be
replaced
with
fully
serialized
components,
so,
just
in
the
way
that
these
firearms
are
designed
to
be
modular
and
to
be
built,
such
that
parts
can
be
swapped
out,
a
serialized
frame
or
receiver
could
be
swapped
out
for
the
unserialized
piece,
which
would
again
bring
it
into
compliance
with
the
law
and
make
it
fully
traceable.
C
Thank
you,
and
this
is
assemblywoman
sandra
houdiki,
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Senator
harris
and
all
of
the
items
that
mr
pacino
walked.
You
through
would
be
able
to
get
done
during
the
time
period
that
we
have
allowed,
because
the
bill
does
not
become
effective
until
january
1st
2022.
I
Just
one
one,
quick
follow-up:
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
on
the
record.
We
have
licensed
dealers
who
are
today
accepting
these
unserialized
guns
and
purchasing
them.
Is
that
right?
Is
that
a
is
that
an
actual
avenue
I
mean?
I
know
maybe
licensed
dealers
can,
but
are
they
actually
buying
these
guns
from
folks
in
any
kind
of
practical
manner,.
D
Thank
you.
This
is
david
casino
for
the
record,
I'm
not
aware
of
that
process
occurring
in
large
numbers
at
the
moment,
but
I
think
that's
because
there's
no
incentive
or
drive
to
do
so.
The
individuals
who
are
possessed
in
possession
of
these
weapons
are
either
traffickers
who
are
not
in
the
business
of
selling
to
dealers
or
individuals
who
built
them
for
own
personal
use
and
not
for
resale.
D
I
Well,
I'll
just
throw
this
out
there.
I
know
the
bill
is
kind
of
in
its
last
stages,
but
if
there's
something
we
can
do
to
incentivize
licensed
dealers
to
be
willing
to
accept
these
guns,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
avenue
and
that
way
people
can
get
some
value
for
for
what
they've
purchased
if
they
decide
that
they
don't
want
to
spend
additional
funds
to
replace
it
with
a
serialized
frame.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
chair.
My
question
kind
of
builds
off
of
what
senator
harris
was
talking
about.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
stats
out
there
I
was
researching
you
know.
These
guns
are
used,
maybe
one
two
percent
of
the
crimes,
yet
43
of
the
criminals
actually
purchased
their
weapons
on
the
black
market
and
that
was
quoted
by
the
justice
department.
H
H
And
so,
when
I
pass,
how
is
that
then
to
be
transferred
to
the
next
generation?
How
do
you
you
know
it's
supposed
to
be
prohibited
property,
so
forget
the
concept
of
selling,
I'm
just
talking
about
transferring
it.
How
do
you
transfer
something
when
it's
an
outlawed
product
and
so
I'm
kind
of
curious?
How
that's
supposed
to
work
out
in
that
respect?
Where
am
I
supposed
to
surrender
it
and
then
who
compensates
my
family
for
that?
Well,
it's
takings,
how's
that
work.
C
Chair
schaible,
I'm
going
to
reach
out
to
my
my
co-presenters,
mr
pacino,
to
jump
in
and
there
are
provisions
in
the
bill
for
antiques
and
collector's
items,
but
I'll.
Let
mr
pistina
go
into
further
detail.
Senator.
D
Thank
you
assemblywoman.
This
is
your
record.
As
the
assembly
woman
said,
there
is
an
exception
for
antique
firearms,
so
that
that
weapon
that
you
were
describing
would
not
in
fact
be
regulated
by
this
bill
whatsoever
because
it
would
fall
within
that
antique
firearm
exception.
H
Sorry,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
whenever
you
tell
me,
any
gun
owned
prior
to
1938
that
doesn't
have
a
serial
number
is
exempt.
Is
that
your
definition
that
you're
utilizing
what's
the
definition
because
you're
referencing
other
things
that
continually
change
on
the
federal
level
federal
regulations
change?
So
what's
the
definition
we're
using
for
an
antique
firearm?
Is
it
basically
anything
prior
to
1938,
because
I
know
senator
coccia
has
a
couple
of
firearms
that
are
pre-38
that
they
still
use
on
a
regular
basis?
Again
they
don't
have
serial
numbers.
D
So
it
would,
it
would
be
the
this
is
enough
for
the
record.
It
would
be
the
the
definition
that
it's
used.
D
Sure,
yes,
so
so
in
section
six
of
the
bill
line
six
to
seven.
A
D
Okay,
I
might
have
just
been
too
far
from
the
microphone.
I'm
sorry
senator.
What
was
your
question.
H
The
enactment
dates,
how
that
coincides,
but
again
are
all
19
gun
zone
prior
to
1938
considered
to
be
antiques,
or
do
you
know.
D
Is
the
year
cut
off
and
there
are
other
definitions
that
are
based
on
the
design
of
the
firearm
so
and
firearms
that
are
with
antique
designs,
as
opposed
to
contemporary
designs,
built
around
a
frame
or
receiver
are
going
to
be
included
in
that
antique
firearm
definition
and
I'm
happy
to
to
discuss
further
and
provide
you
with
further
information
on
that
federal
statute
that
I
unfortunately
don't
have
at
my
fingertips.
H
Okay,
thank
you
chair,
I'm
concerned
because,
again,
guns
prior
to
68
didn't
necessarily
have
serial
numbers,
it's
kind
of
a
voluntary
thing
and
again
I'm
talking
about
a
gun
that
was
in
the
30s,
and
I
don't
know
I'm
just
very
concerned
about
what
this
does
to
people
that
are
not
criminals.
Criminals
are
going
to
find
guns,
no
matter
what,
as
I
just
quoted,
they're
getting
them
on
the
black
market.
No
one
makes
their
own
they're
buying
guns
on
the
black
market
and
that's
my
concern.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
All
right
other
questions,
senator
pickard.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
I'm
glad.
We've
got
some
experts
in
this
area.
H
My
questions
are
more
pragmatic,
more
practical
I've
been
shooting
competitively
since
high
school,
and
so
I'm
part
of
the
small
group
of
people
that
will
assemble
competition,
rifles
and
and
the
like,
and
I
try
to
find
you
know
the
best
ones
I
can
for
the
the
need.
H
H
D
This
is
david
casino
for
the
record
it
it
currently
legal
to
engage
in
the
business
manufacturing
firing
on
a
license.
So
if,
if
an
entity
is
producing
weapons
for
sale,
that's
going
to
have
important
sense
to
be
able
to
do.
A
I'm
going
to
interrupt
again
sorry,
I
did
learn
something
new
in
the
last
27
seconds,
which
is
that
if
we
turn
on
our
microphones
and
leave
them
on
while
the
presenters
are
answering
the
questions
that
contributes
to
the
garbled
type
sound.
So
if
we
can
make
sure
to
turn
off
our
microphones
when
we're
done
and
turn
them
back
on,
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
cumbersome,
but
hopefully
it
will
help
with
the
clarity.
D
H
H
I
believe,
there's
a
60
or
a
90-day
comment
window
do
do
they
currently
does
that
regulation
currently
outlaw
the
same
ghost
guns
here.
D
Yes,
the
the
regulation
would
cover
the
ghost
guns
that
we've
been
concerned
about
and
would
integrate
actually
very
well
with
this
piece
of
legislation,
so
the
definition
of
unfinished
frame
or
receiver
that
is
using
this
legislation,
has
a
carve
out
for
products
that
are
required
to
be
serialized
under
federal
law
and
carry
such
a
serial
number.
So
if
those
federal
regulations
were
to
go
into
effect,
those
products
would
not
be
affected
and
it
would
work
seamlessly
with
this
bill.
H
D
To
a
certain
extent,
it
would
the
current
products
that
are
produced
are
designed
to
be
just
short
of
the
federal
definition
of
a
firearm,
and
so
they're,
designed
to
come
right
up
to
that
level
and
the
federal
rulemaking
that's
been
proposed
would
encompass
those
existing
products.
D
This
piece
of
legislation
would
go
further
by
encompassing
a
broader
range
of
products,
so
potentially
could
capture
a
further
down
the
line,
effort
to
further
evade
federal
regulation,
but,
as
the
market
exists,
currently
they
would
be
concurrent
and
and
would
be
mutually
supportive.
H
D
Sure
so
the
the
federal
regulation
is
under
the
federal
regulation.
The
atf
will
look
to
the
amount
of
effort
and
skill
and
time
that
has
to
be
expended
into
turning
a
product
into
a
firearm.
D
H
You
know
when
we're
talking
about
someone's
intent,
that's
ultimately
unknowable.
We
can
guess
based
on
you,
know,
evidence
circumstantial
or
otherwise,
but
unless
the
person
actually
states
their
intent.
I
think
that
that
would
make
the
the
thing
pretty
hard
to
enforce.
Anyway.
Let's
let's
look
at
in
terms
of
the
penalties,
for
example,
I
have
four
receivers
for
two
ar
competition
rifles
and
I
purchased
one
it
didn't.
You
know
it
worked,
but
the
trigger
group
didn't
work
as
well
in
it,
as
I
had
hoped.
H
So
I
purchased
another
one
assuming
that
these
and
a
couple
of
them
are
old
enough.
I
don't
know
if
that
I
think
they
all
have
serial
numbers
on
them,
but
for
the
sake
of
the
question,
I
want
to
assume
that
they
don't
so.
I've
got
two
unserialized
receivers
that
I
don't
use
and
two
that
I
do
use.
H
H
Does
that
apply
to
the
instances
that
they
are
found
in
my
possession,
or
are
we
talking
about
the
numbers
that
are
in
the
possession
because,
ultimately,
the
the
bill
doesn't
actually
say
it
doesn't
explain
that.
So
how
does
this
work?
Am
I
now
immediately
a
felon
simply
because
I
possessed
them
after
the
point
where
I
needed
to
turn
them
in.
D
Thank
you,
senator
david
pacino,
for
the
record.
The
answer
is
no.
D
First,
there
is
a
grace
period
that
would
run
until
the
beginning
of
next
year,
during
which
time
the
prohibitions
and
criminal
penalties
attached
for
the
possession
of
these
products
would
not
apply,
and
by
my
read
of
the
bill
after
that
period
comes
into
effect
after
the
expiration
of
the
grace
period.
D
H
All
right,
I
appreciate
that
and
then
now
getting
into
some
of
the
you
know
the
the
nuance
here,
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
when
we're
talking
about
the
grace
period,
for
example,
I
have
to
unload
that's
the
wrong
term,
I'm
sorry!
I
have
to
dispose
of
these
now
illegal
parts
it
so
it's
taken.
H
They
were
fairly
expensive
when
I
purchased
them
because
they
were
competition
grade
parts.
So
now
that
they're
illegal
parts,
their
value
is
zero,
I
don't
understand
how
to
dispose
of
them.
Since
there's
no
market,
no
one
wants
to
take
a
unless
it's
given
to
them
right,
so
I
could
dispose
of
them
simply
by
giving
them,
as
was
mentioned,
to
a
federal
firearms
dealer
who
could
then
turn
around
and
make
use
of
them.
If
he
chose
to
my
guess,
is
you
know?
H
Remanufacturing
used
parts
is
not
going
to
be
a
very
viable
or
lucrative
business,
particularly
since
there
will
be
a
good
number
of
usable
parts
that
are
now
available,
but
assume
for
the
moment.
I
could
unload
them.
I'm
sorry,
I
did
it
again.
I
could
dispose
of
them
say:
10
percent
of
their
original
value
or
the
value
on
the
day
before
the
law
went
into
effect.
H
Who
pays
for
that
difference
in
value?
Arguably,
it's
a
taking.
It's
government
has
just
changed
the
value
of
my
of
my
previously
legal
product.
Does
the
government
have
any
obligation
to
to
pay
for
the
value
that
they've
just
removed
from
my
property.
D
Thank
you,
senator
dave
casino
for
the
record.
First,
I'd
like
to
just
note
that
the
universe
of
products
we're
talking
about
here
is
is
much
much
smaller
than
the
universe
of
overall
firearms,
and
I
think,
as
you
mentioned
you,
you
purchased
your
your
competition
rifles.
Through
the
background
check
process,
you
went
through
a
background
check,
they're
serialized,
so
those
products
actually
are
not
implicated
at
all.
D
Not
what
we're
talking
about
here
we're
talking
about
a
much
smaller
set
of
products
that
were
purchased
either
as
part
of
these
kids
or
separately
without
serial
numbers,
and
within
that
universe
I
actually
I
mean
I,
I
don't
want
to
hold
myself
out
as
being
an
expert
in
firearm
valuation,
but
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
there
would
be
such
a
severe
drop
off
in
the
value
of
these
products
as
compared
with
a
used
firearm
generally.
D
It
would
be
absolutely
within
the
the
capabilities
of
of
gunsmiths
to
simply
put
serial
numbers
on
these
products
and
have
them
available
for
resale
through
the
the
standard,
background
check
and
serialization
process.
And
so
I
think
I
would
expect
that
to
be
a
much
more
robust
possibility
than
than
you
suggested,
but
but
finally,
to
come
to
the
last
piece
of
your
question.
I
don't
believe
that
this
would
constitute
a
taking
under
the
court's
existing
presidents.
H
All
right,
let
me
just
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
statement
you
just
made.
I
purchased
the
the
barrel
and
the
parts
you
know
some
of
the
parts
are
federally
or
a
federal
firearms
dealer,
but
assuming
again,
for
the
sake
of
the
question
that
the
receivers
were
not
the
lower
parts
were
not
serialized,
wouldn't
the
mere
possession
of
that
unserialized
lower
now
be
illegal.
H
Okay,
but
I
purchased
them
through
a
background
check,
so
you've
just
said
that
it's
not
it
it's
not
within
the
ambit
of
this
bill
to
require
me
to
or
I'm
not,
it's
not
subject
to
the
bill,
but
yet
the
possession
would
be
illegal.
So
clearly
I
could
have
purchased
this
through
a
firearms
dealer
and
because
it's
unserialized,
it
still
is
illegal.
D
I'm
sorry,
I
misunderstood
your
question
initially
senator
if
you,
if
you
purchased
it
through
a
dealer
through
a
background
check,
it
already
has
a
serial
number
and
it
would
not
be
covered
by
this
bill.
H
All
right
and
then
in
terms
of
the
takings,
can
you
point
to
a
precedent
that
would
suggest-
and
this
may
be
something
you
need
to
send
me
offline.
But
can
you
point
me
to
precedent
that
suggests
that
the
a
direct
action
of
government
that
devalues
property
is
not
a
taking.
D
Senator
I
would
be
happy
to
send
you
that
material
offline.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
H
H
D
Thank
you
senator
and
david
casino
for
the
record,
so
two
different
answers
to
this,
depending
on
the
type
of
firearm
that
they're
producing
for
scratch,
build
enthusiasts,
who
build
things
like
civil
war,
replicas
muskets,
revolutionary
war,
replicas
things
of
that
nature.
They
are
exempt
from
the
bill
for
individuals,
and
I
understand
that
it's
a
much
much
smaller
universe
of
individuals
who
build
contemporary
style
firearms.
D
In
fact,
I
have
to
say
I'm
not
aware
personally
of
any
hobbyists
who
do
this,
as
opposed
to
licensed
manufacturers
should
do
this,
but
for
that
potential
small
universe,
those
individuals
would
need
to
get
a
manufacturing
license.
H
All
right,
I
appreciate
that
I,
I
guess
I
know
lots
of
people
that
talk
about
building
their
own
firearms
at
home.
I
don't
know
if
they
actually
go
about
doing
it,
but
I
I
suspect,
it's
far
more
widespread
than
a
small
universe
of
people,
but
in
any
event,
thank
you.
Madam
chair.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
ask
so
many
questions.
G
Thanks
sarah
lots
of
questions,
of
course,
on
this
one
the
first
would
be,
I
guess
is
it
my
understanding
is
in
nevada.
I
know
it's
illegal
for
a
felon
to
have
a
firearm
period
in
california.
Are
they
allowed
to
have
a
firearm
as
long
as
it
doesn't
have
a
serial
number
on
it?.
D
Thank
you,
senator
david,
the
same
as
in
nevada
with
a
person
who's
been
convicted
of
a
felon
he's
not
allowed
to
possess
a
firearm.
The
issue
here
is
the
supply,
so
one
individual
who's
prohibited
from
possessing
a
firearm
is
in
possession
of
the
firearm.
That
is
a
federal
crime.
That's
the
same
whether
it
has
a
serial
number
or
not.
The
issue
is
the
ghost
gun
process
creates
a
large
pool
of
unserialized
weapons
available
without
a
background
check.
G
G
Stop
that
the
bigger
question
in
that
whole
arena
is
obviously
the
fact
that
they're,
felons
and
they're
still
breaking
the
law
indicates
the
you
know
you
get
back
to
the
fundamental
one-on-one
complaint
about
gun
control
legislation,
and
that
is
the
people
that
are
going
to
break
the
laws
are
going
to
break
the
laws
and
the
people
that
obey
the
laws
are
the
ones
that
get
forced
to
do
things
that
otherwise
they
don't
need
to
do.
G
As
far
as
I
know
in
nevada,
maybe
maybe
somebody
in
the
bill
sponsors
can
tell
us
how
many
crimes
have
actually
been
committed
in
nevada
in
the
last
five
years
or
sometime
with
a
a
a
gun
with
a
true
ghost
gun,
as
you
find
it
not
with
something
that
ground
off
the
serial
number,
but
a
true
gun
that
was
manufactured
and
used
in
a
crime
that
would
qualify
under
this
new
law.
As
a
ghost
gun,.
C
And
sandra
houdini
for
the
record-
and
I
don't
have
that
number
for
you
senator
hansen,
but
I
do
want
to
address
something
else
that
you
said
that
you
know
putting
a
serial
number,
isn't
gonna
prohibit
problems
from
or
from
buying
a
gun
right,
but
but
it
will,
because
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do.
People
who
buy
ghost
guns
are
people
who
can't
pass
background
checks
because
they
have
serial
numbers.
G
Well,
I
got
that's
the
intent,
but
the
reality
is
is
quite
different,
and
that
is
that,
if
you
look
in
fact,
I
swear
every
other
time,
there's
a
felon,
that's
arrested.
They
also
get
picked
up
for
being
a
fash
felon
in
possession
illegal
possession
of
a
firearm,
which
means
they
didn't
get
it
through.
A
background
check
going
to
the
local
hardware
store
and
picking
up
a
firearm.
G
I'd
also
point
out
that
several
places
that
were
mentioned
in
the
testimony,
including
washington,
dc,
bigger
city
chicago
detroit,
new
york.
They
already
have
extensive
laws
against
possession
period,
not
just
ghost
guns,
yet
they
lead
the
nation
in
crime.
G
You
really
believe
that
if
we
simply
require
some
sort
of
serial
number
on
on
this,
and
now
the
these
felons
are
going
to
start
not
being
able
to
get
weapons
because
they're
they're
going
oh
geez
I'd
love
to
get
one,
but
I
can't
because
I
got
to
do
a
background
check
how
whatever
happened.
The
idea
of
ghost
purchasers
is
that
now
going
out
the
window
too,.
C
And
this
is
sandra,
how
did
you
for
the
record-
and
it's
not
just
felons
we're
trying
to
keep
the
hands
out
of
all
prohibited
persons?
Senator
we
saw
underage
purchasers
able
to
purchase
ghost
guns
and,
and
the
reality
is
all
all
of
the
laws
we
pass
here.
Don't
stop
everything
seat
belt
laws,
don't
stop
every
passenger
from
dying
dui
laws,
don't
stop
every
drunk
driver
from
getting
behind
the
wheel.
The
laws
are
intended
to
pass
to
stop
one.
I
mean.
If
that
was
the
case,
then
we
could.
G
G
Okay,
we're
going
after
people
who
are
are
people
that
are
doing
all
sorts
of
things
from
competitive,
shooting
the
idea
that
that
there
are
these
criminal
elements
out
there
that
are
going
into
their
garages
with
lathes
or
something
and
making
barrels
and
then
attaching
them
to
polymer
handles
and
then
then
bypassing
the
entire.
The
background
check
process
just
just
doesn't
make
it
lacks
common
sense
and
as
far
as
things
like
the
17
year
old,
we
have
all
sorts
of
laws.
G
Now
that
you've
got
to
be
21
years
old
before
you
can
buy
booze.
How
successful
have
we
been
in
stopping
underage
drinking
in
our
state?
You
know
so
when
you,
when
people
want
to
break
the
law,
there
are
ways
to
do
it,
and
all
we're
doing
here,
in
my
opinion,
is
once
again
punishing
good
law-abiding
gun,
owning
owning
people,
and
one
difference
between
alcohol
and
guns
is
the
the
gun
owners
of
america
have
a
second
amendment
right.
It
is
a
constitutional
liberty
that
we
are
infringing
on
when
we
try
to
pass
laws
like
this.
G
So
thank
you,
madam
chair,
but
yeah
lots
more
on
this
one.
I
respect
you
know
what
you
went
through.
I
can't
I've
never
seen
anything
like
that.
I've
never
gone
through
it
and
I
totally
respect
your
your
feelings
on
this.
I
gotta
say,
and
you
know
I
understand
what
you're
I
can't
even
say.
I
understand
you're
coming
from,
because
I've
never
been
through
something
like
that.
G
A
Thank
you.
I
also
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
I
want
to
clarify
that
the
bill,
while
it
does
criminalize
the
ownership
and
the
purchase
of
a
gun
that
is
not
serialized
or
the
parts
that
are
not
serialized,
it
also
places
a
burden
on
the
producer
and
the
seller's
side.
Correct.
D
The
assembly
woman,
david
pacino
for
the
record-
that's
absolutely
right,
madam
chair
the
the
thrust
of
this
bill,
and
I
think
what
will
make
this
such
a
successful
piece
of
legislation
is
that
it
puts
the
bonus,
the
onus
and
the
burden
on
the
supplier
level,
and
that
is
the
key
part
of
this.
This
market
that
has
been
dominated
by
gun
traffickers.
If
you
put
the
bonus
only
on
the
individuals,
then
of
of
course
it's
the
case
that
some
individuals
will
comply
and
some
won't.
D
What
this
law
will
do
is
put
the
onus
on
the
supplier
level,
so
suppliers
will
no
longer
be
able
to
sell
these
products
without
background
checks,
and
that
really
is
the
key
to
stopping
the
flooding
of
the
streets.
With
these
ghost
guns,.
A
Thank
you,
and
so
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
about
the
other
members
of
this
committee,
but
I
found
the
video
that
we
watched
very
compelling
and
very
disturbing
to
think
about
a
teenager
who
could
be
going
through
all
kinds
of
emotional
distress
getting
on
the
internet
and
ordering
the
parts
to
create
a
gun
like
they
would
pokemon
cards
and
so
in.
If
this
bill
were
to
pass.
A
If
that
teenager
were
to
log
on
to
that
website
and
try
to
purchase
the
gun,
is
the
anticipated
result
that
they
would
that
the
the
websites
that
sell
these
guns
would
now
have
to
create
different
avenues
for
different
states
and
say
well,
if
you're
in
the
state
of
nevada
you're
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
background
check
before
you
can
get
this
item
or
we're
not
even
going
to
ship
it
to
the
state
of
nevada.
D
Thanks
man,
I'm
sure
this
is
david
casino,
for
the
record.
I
think
it
is.
Is
the
latter
circumstance
so
what
this
bill
would
require
for
the
sale
of
these
products
into
nevada?
Is
they
would
require
you
to
have
a
federal
firearms
license
and
it'll
require
a
serialization
serial
number
and
a
background
check.
D
So
if
somebody
like
a
17
year
old,
tried
to
purchase
this
weapon
in
the
state
of
nevada,
there
would
have
to
be
a
background
check
that
would
take
place
and
because
the
entity
selling
is
an
ffl,
they
have
all
the
procedures
in
place
in
order
to
conduct
that
background
check.
So
that
would
come
back
as
a
as
a
fail,
because
the
person
would
be
under
the
legal
age
necessary
to
possess
a
firearm.
I'll
note
that
the
polymer
80
currently
has
an
ffl.
D
So
this
is
you
know
this
is
the
largest
seller
of
ghost
gun
products
and
they
are
in
position
to
be
able
to
sell
products
that
would
comply
with
this
law
if
they
simply
fixed
a
serial
number
to
them
and
sold
them
as
completed
firearms
and
conducted
the
background
check
to
prevent
underage
people
from
purchasing
them.
A
Thank
you,
and
so
then
I
I
think
that
brings
up
a
a
follow-up
question
that
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
understanding.
Is
that
you're
not
saying
that
the
the
people
who
are
creating
and
distributing
ghost
guns
are
already
in
violation
of
the
law,
we're
saying
that
what
they're
doing
is
currently
legal
and
so
by
enacting
a
law
that
makes
it
illegal?
We
are
still
expecting
the
law-abiding
gun
owners
to
continue
to
be
law-abiding
gun
owners
and
therefore
reduce
the
problem
of
untraceable
unserialized
guns
falling
into
the
hands
of
felons
domestic
abusers.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
I
don't
have
any
more
questions
and
I'm
not
going
to
do
second
passes
for
members
of
the
committee,
because
we've
already
been
at
this
for
about
an
hour.
I
am
going
to
move
now
to
testimony
in
support
of
av-286
and
we
will
start
with
anybody
who
is
present
to
give
such
testimony
every
person
giving
testimony
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and
that
time
will
start.
When
you
start.
C
We
have
been
consistent
on
this
issue
for
years
as
a
nevada-based
organization,
better
gun
laws
are
needed
for
the
state
of
nevada.
Today
you
heard
the
facts
to
back
that
up.
That
is
why
we
are
in
full
support
of
av-286
and
thank
the
assemblywoman
for
her
continued
courage
and
leadership
on
this
issue.
C
So
much
has
happened
since
the
last
time
I
testified
on
a
bill
like
this.
A
year
ago
today
I
was
feeding
people
out
of
my
garage
and
watching
a
global
pandemic
sweep
through
our
communities
today.
What
we
have
seen
because
of
the
pandemic
and
the
political
discourse
is
panic
buying
of
these
weapons
all
across
the
country
and
right
here
in
nevada.
C
Assembling
unfinished
gun
parts
without
serial
numbers
allows
for
untraceable
deadly
weapons
to
end
up
in
the
hands
of
those
who
shouldn't
have
access
to
them.
Av-286
will
end
this
shady
practice
and
make
our
state
safer.
Nevada
should
have
no
business
exporting
these
weapons
as
companies
like
polymer
80,
have
done.
This
company
was
rated
after
an
atf
investigation
linked
to
makeshift
guns
assembled
with
their
unfinished
kits
to
hundreds
of
violent
crime
scenes
across
the
united
states.
C
It's
an
embarrassment
to
our
state
and
something
we
should
be
working
to
correct
immediately.
Today,
you
will
hear
arguments
that
this
somehow
takes
away
the
rights
of
gun
owners
as
a
gun
owner.
I
reject
those
deeply
flawed
arguments.
Supporting
better
gun
laws
makes
me
a
better
gun
owner.
I
didn't
buy
my
gun
from
a
shady
online
dealer.
I
went
into
a
gun,
store
and
passed
a
background
check.
Nevadans
want
and
expect
you
to
not
to
enact
stronger
gun
laws
during
this
session,
and
we
need
you
all
in
this
body
to
support
this
critical
bill.
C
I
Good
afternoon
sheriff
scheibel
and
members
of
the
judiciary
committee
for
the
record,
I'm
christiane
brown
from
brady
nevada,
and
we
are
so
grateful
to
assembly
women
how
to
keep
for
sponsoring
this
important
bill.
You
know
these
days
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
individual
rights,
but
very
little
talk
about
responsibility.
I
No
constitutional
law
exists
now
or
ever
has
that
allows
anyone's
right
to
freedom
to
come
at
the
cost
of
another's
right
to
safety.
Yet,
in
the
wake
of
every
gun,
violence
tragedy,
fringe
gun
rights,
extremists
come
out
in
droves,
saying
gun
violence
prevention
laws
aren't
needed
that
tragic
loss
of
life
is
somehow
a
fair
price
to
pay
for
freedom,
but
the
real
freedom
being
threatened
is
the
right.
I
We
have
to
live
safely
in
our
communities
in
2019,
nevadans,
expanded
background
checks
to
keep
deadly
firearms
out
of
the
hands
of
felons
domestic
abusers
and
the
mentally
ill.
But
now
a
dangerous
loophole
is
allowing
ghost
guns,
homemade
unserialized
firearms,
to
bypass
these
laws.
Today,
anyone
in
nevada,
even
children,
can
buy
and
assemble
as
many
ghost
guns
as
they
want
in
less
than
an
hour
from
glock
style
handguns
to
ak-47
and
ar-15
military-style
rifles.
Ghost
gun
manufacturers
will
tell
you.
I
The
ghost
guns
are
not
real
guns
because
they
come
unassembled
and
must
be
put
together
before
they
can
kill
someone
that
is
absurd
to
nevada's
shame
a
huge
percentage
of
ghost
gums
found
at
crime.
Scenes
were
made
right
here
in
our
state
and
without
serial
numbers.
These
ghost
guns
were
untraceable,
leaving
law
enforcement
without
critical
evidence
and
victims
without
justice
in
2019
law
enforcement
recovered
approximately
ten
thousand
ghost
guns
and
over
86
percent
of
those
in
the
apf
database
actually
contain
parts
made
by
nevada
manufacturer
polymer
80..
I
This
is
not
a
statistic
that
our
state
can
be
proud
of:
responsible
gun
owners,
don't
need
untraceable
weapons,
responsible,
gun
owners
register
their
firearms
legally
and
they
purchase
their
weapons
from
licensed
sellers.
It
is
time
for
nevada
to
join
other
responsible
states
and
close
this
dangerous
ghost
gun
loophole
that
ghost
gun
manufacturers
have
shamefully
exploited
and
irresponsible
gun
purchasers
have
taken
advantage
of.
I
urge
you
to
pass
ab286
today
and
please
make
unserialized
ghost
guns
and
their
parts
illegal
in
nevada.
Thank.
A
F
A
And
mr
kyle,
before
you
call
on
the
first
caller,
I
forgot
to
give
you
everybody
one
more
admonition,
which
is
that
you
may
not
have
been
to
my
committee
before
you
may
not
know
that
you
are
always
welcome
to
simply
tell
us
that
you
agree
with
the
previous
statements
or
that
you
are
of
the
same
opinion
and
the
two
minutes
is
a
a
maximum,
not
a
minimum.
A
F
Thank
you
so
much
chair.
Once
again,
we
are
currently
on
support
testimony
for
assembly
bill
286.
If
you'd
like
to
provide
support
testimony
at
this
time,
please
press
star,
9,
now
take
your
place
in
the
queue
and
call
her
with
the
last
three
digits
346,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and
may
begin.
B
B
To
be
clear,
I'm
a
gun
owner
real
guns,
purchased
legally
serialized
and
background
checked
not
from
the
local
equivalent
from
the
local
equivalent
of
a
bomb
vest
or
an
ied
enthusiast
ghost
guns
are
weapons
of
terror
and
insurrection.
A
quick
look
at
their
defenders,
own
words
online,
clearly
reveals
this.
B
B
B
B
F
Thank
you
caller.
If
you
have
recently
joined
the
meeting
this
afternoon,
we
are
currently
on
support
testimony
for
assembly
bill
286.
If
you'd
like
to
provide
support
testimony
at
this
time,
please
press
star,
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
caller
with
the
last
three
digits,
918
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and
may
begin.
I
I
The
american
academy
of
pediatrics
recommends
that
handguns
be
regulated.
The
restrictions
be
based
on
handgun
ownership
and
that
the
number
of
privately
owned
handguns
be
reduced.
The
ghost
gun
loophole
has
made
it
difficult
to
track
and
validate
ownership
of
guns
has
made
it
easy
for
guns
to
fall
in
the
hands
of
domestic
abusers
and
felons.
I
The
nevada
aap
currently
has
more
than
250
members,
most
of
whom
are
board
certified
pediatricians.
Both
primary
and
specialty
care
members
also
include
pediatric
nurse
practitioners,
physician
assistants,
pediatric
residents
and
medical
students,
all
of
whom
live
and
work
in
nevada
and
have
dedicated
their
professional
lives
to
the
health
of
all
children.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
testify
in
support
of
ab286.
F
F
I
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
maria
teresa
lieberman,
for
the
record
that
is
m
a
r.
I
a
hyphen
t
e
r
e
s,
a
l-I-e-b-e-r-m-a-n-n
hyphen
p-a-r-r-a-g-a,
and
I
am
here
in
support
of
ab-286
representing
myself.
I
am
a
gun
owner
of
multiple
guns
here
in
america,
and
I've
also
read
this
bill
and
at
no
point
in
reading
this
bill
and
throughout
this
hearing,
even
though
other
folks
that
are
also
gun
owners
said
that
this
would
take
away
my
second
amendment
rights
did,
I
think,
yeah
they're
trying
to
take
away
my
second
amendment
rights.
I
I
If
this
bill
passes
and
becomes
law,
guess
what
I'll
be
able
to
keep
my
ar-15
buy
another
one
if
I
want
to
and
my
other
guns,
so
this
will
not
infringe
on
my
rights,
but
this
will
do
is
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
untraceable
guns
that
people
can
make
at
home
in
order
to
do
harm
into
our
community.
So
I
urge
everyone
to
please
pass
this
bill
to
make
our
community
safer.
Thank
you.
F
B
B
I
will
be
brief
july
20th,
an
individual
who
could
not
pass
a
background
check,
kills
two
people
in
pennsylvania
using
a
handgun,
a
handmade
nine
millimeter
handgun
november
night,
2019
a
16
year
old,
shoots,
five
students
killing
two
of
them
and
then
kills
himself
with
an
untraceable
kick
gun.
B
These
are
two
examples
of
mass
shootings
that
are
done
with
untraceable
ghost
guns,
I'm
an
advocate
for
going
on
gun
ownership.
I
grew
up
in
white
pine,
county
hunting
and
owned
several
weapons.
However,
I
also
believe
in
background
checks
and
the
ability
to
trace
a
weapon
when
needed
by
law
enforcement.
B
Then,
as
a
nation,
we
have
failed
protect
our
citizens.
We
will
not.
We
will
not
stop
all
killings
or
mass
shootings,
but
we
can
take
positive
steps
forward
in
the
access
to
untraceable
ghost
guns
that
are
sold
to
just
anyone,
including
terrorists,
the
mentally
ill
that
are
a
danger
to
themselves
or
others
domestic
abusers,
or
that
student.
That
is
angry
at
a
group
of
fellow
students
having
a
gun
is
not
the
best
way
to
be
safe,
making
it
more
difficult
for
those
wishing
to
do
harm
to
obtain
those
guns
is
much
safer.
F
F
B
Good
afternoon
I'm
adam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
anwar
green
a-n-w-a-r-g-r-e-e-n,
and
I
am
here
representing
myself
in
support
of
ab-286.
Why?
Because
it's
past
time
for
common-sense
legislation
geared
toward
combating
gun
violence.
Now,
as
a
veteran,
I
find
it
troubling
seeing
the
country
I
love
and
served
being
besieged
by
gun
violence.
That
is
completely
avoidable.
Now
many
argue
misleadingly
that
they're
somehow
losing
their
rights.
B
But
what
about
my
right
to
live
and
when
you
look
at
ghost
guns
in
particular,
they're
untraceable
easily
bought
online
and
they're
made
in
large
numbers
here
in
nevada
and
for
what
now?
First,
the
argument
was
that
only
criminals
want
to
circumvent
the
system.
But
if
that's
the
case,
then
why
are
ghost
guns
even
necessary
and
where
do
they
ultimately
end
up
a
lot
of
the
time
in
communities
of
color
or
in
the
hands
of
white
extremists?
B
B
F
I
Cherish,
I
believe,
committee,
I
am
theresa
crawford
p-e-r-e-s-a
c
a
volunteer
with
mom's
demand
action
for
gun
sense
in
america.
We
support
assembly
bill
286
to
curb
the
proliferation
of
unserialized,
untraceable,
ghost
guns
in
nevada
and
nationally.
These
do
it
yourself.
Firearm
kits
have
become
the
weapon
of
choice
for
criminals
and
dangerous
extremists
and
other
people
who
are
legally
prohibited
from
buying
firearms.
I
Already,
several
states
in
washington
d.c
have
taken
legal
action
against
ghost
gun
suppliers
which,
as
we've
heard,
include
a
prolific
company
in
nevada.
Some
unserious
guns
are
made
of
plastic
by
3d
printers,
so
the
carriers
can
the
carriers
of
them
can
evade
metal
detectors
to
enter
government
buildings
or
board
airplanes.
I
Anyone
can
avoid
a
background
check
by
ordering
a
ghost
gun
kit
online
for
home
delivery,
and
that
includes
domestic
abusers
gun
traffickers,
felons
and
under
underage
people,
all
of
whom
just
need
to
build
a
fully
functional
firearm.
In
a
few
hours
in
2019,
the
atf
in
california
reported
that
30
percent
of
recovered
crime
guns
had
no
serial
number,
and
the
atf
has
estimated
that
they've
recovered
10
000
of
these
guns
across
the
country.
I
As
as
we
heard
in
comments
and
questions,
this
still
exempts
permanently
inoperable
firearms,
antiques,
curios
and
relics,
as
defined
in
the
u.s
code,
and
it
takes
effect
january
1st
2022
a
six-month
grace
period.
Every
year
nearly
500
people
die
by
guns
in
nevada,
this
cost
taxpayers
millions
and
since
the
2017
las
vegas
shooting
gun,
violence
has
increased
on
the
las
vegas
trip,
which
deters
tourism.
I
Now
one
law
addresses
all
causes
of
gun
violence,
but
this
bill
will
close
a
gaping
loophole
that
allows
criminals
easy
access
to
firearms.
Thank
you
so
much
assemblywoman
heartagey
for
your
courage
and
bringing
this
bill
forward,
and
mr
pusino
and
mr
lindley
for
presenting.
I
hope
everyone
in
this
committee
votes.
Yes
on
ab286.
Thank
you.
F
F
I
Ghost
guns
are
a
clear
threat
to
public
safety,
with
no
federal
restrictions
on
who
can
buy
the
ghost
gun
kits.
This
responsibility
lies
on
us
as
a
state
to
regulate
the
ability
for
people
to
purchase
them
guns
that
can
be
bought
online
with
no
serial
numbers,
age,
restrictions
or
accountability,
and
that
can
be
put
together
in
one's
garage
or
home
must
be
regulated
and
cannot
be
overlooked
or
ignored.
I
F
B
Hello,
my
name
is
kimmy
cole,
that's
spelled
k-I-m-I-c-o-l-e
from
carson
city.
Thank
you,
chair
scheible
and
assembly
woman
hatagi
for
all
the
work
on
this.
I'm
a
gun
owner-
and
I
am
calling
in
support
of
ab286,
because
this
bill
will
help
keep
nevada
safe.
The
new
phenomenon
of
ghost
guns
are
guns
that
are
unregistered,
unlicensed,
untraceable
and
dangerous.
Has
to
stop
many
of
the
online
retailers
who
offer
these
guns
have
reported
that
the
increase
in
demand
has
led
them
to
being
sold
out.
B
F
F
I
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
chair
scheibal
members
of
the
judiciary
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
jerry
burton
j-e-r-I
b-u-r-t-o-n
and
I'm
the
president
of
the
nevada
chapter
of
the
national
organization
for
women,
I'm
speaking
today
in
support
of
ab286
representing
our
nevada.
Now
members,
we
thank
assemblywoman
haruki
for
sponsoring
this
very
important
bill.
Nevada.
Now
members
have
been
working
in
coalition
with
progressive
groups
to
make
nevada
a
safer
place
for
women
and
children.
I
I
Nevada
has
seen
an
increase
in
domestic
violence
and
gun
violence
during
the
pandemic,
and
we
were
already
ranked
as
one
of
the
deadliest
states
for
domestic
violence
in
the
country.
Women
in
nevada
are
murdered
with
guns
at
a
rate
of
38
percent
higher
than
the
national
average.
According
to
the
american
journal
of
public
health,
the
presence
of
firearms
increases
the
risk
of
homicide
by
500
percent
for
female
victims
of
domestic
violence.
I
F
F
B
Yes,
my
name
is
reverend
leonard
p,
jackson,
that's
l-e-o-n-a-r-d,
jackson,
j-a-c-k-s-o-n
and
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
in
committee.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
gather
here
today
understand
that
you
heard
already
that
the
body
is
no
stranger
to
gun
violence,
but
we
are
the
home
to
deadliest
mass
shootings
in
broadened
u.s
history
and
understand
that
thousands
of
lives
were
impacted
by
the
tragedy
occurring
on
october,
the
first,
the
victims,
the
survivors
and
their
families,
were
all
touched
by
gun
violence.
In
a
way.
Most
of
us
hope
we
never
have
to
understand.
B
B
Is
courage
and
tenacity
understand
the
fear
in
most
of
parents
hearts
that
these
guns
are
easily
purchased
by
any
age
group
online
and
they
are
incredibly
cheap
compared
to
purchasing
a
firearm
from
a
reputable
dealer
or
business
as
the
director
of
faith,
organizing
alliance
and
a
proud
dividing.
I
urge
our
legislators
to
move
in.
D
B
Positive
manner
by
banning
ghost
guns,
thus
moving
forward
towards
ending
gun
violence,
we
must
address
this
issue,
as
we
have
seen,
shootings
after
shootings.
Ignoring
this
problem
is
no
longer
an
option.
I
think
now
is
our
only
option
to
protect
our
residents
in
our
community
and
protect
our
future.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
F
I
Thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
tess
opterman,
that's
called
o-p-f-e-r-m-a-n
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
women's
lobby.
I'll
keep
my
comments
brief
to
allow
for
more
support
testimony.
We
echo
what
others
have
said.
The
women's
lobby
is
concerned
about
the
increasing
threat
posed
by
ghost
guns.
Now
is
the
time
to
start
past
smart
gun
laws,
and
this
is
a
critical
step.
We
urge
your
support
and
thank
you
for
your
time
today.
F
I
I
It's
also
known
that
59
of
female
partner
homicides
are
killed
with
a
firearm,
ghost
guns
undermined
all
existing
gun
laws
and
are
intentionally
marketed
that
way,
so
that
anyone,
no
matter
what
their
age
or
what
their
ability
to
be
able
to
get
a
legal
gun
are
able
to
buy
them.
There's
no
federal
limitations
on
how
many
you
can
buy
they're,
cheap,
they're,
relatively
easy
to
put
together
and
they're
intentionally
market
marketed
as
unregulated
and
untraceable.
I
I
echo
many
of
the
previous
people
who
have
commented
on
those
and
I
strongly
urge
you
to
support
ab286.
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
F
F
I
Hi,
my
name
is
cassandra
rice,
c-a-s-s-a-n-d-r-a,
rice
r-I-c-e
and
I'm
calling
in
support
of
ab-286
and
I've
heard
so
much
testimony
that
seems
so
logical
and
in
support
of
passing
this.
It
almost
seems
unfathomable
that
anyone
could
be
opposed
to
this.
There's
just
so
much
evidence
against
it.
But
the
one
thing
that
I
heard
against
it
or
a
question
about
it
from
one
of
the
representatives
was
there's:
either
law-abiding
people
and
non-law
abiding
people,
and
that
just
seems
so
black
and
white.
I
It
just
seems
a
little
bit
insane
to
think
that
there's
either
a
good
guy
or
a
bad
guy,
and
that
the
good
guy
is
going
to
be
punished
by
a
law
that
makes
you
follow
certain
rules,
because
a
law-abiding
person
could
be
a
person
who's
on
the
edge
of
a
mental
health
problem.
A
law-abiding
person
could
be
a
15
or
16
year
old
boy
who
we
know
isn't
mentally
mature,
yet
may
decide
to
buy
this
over
the
internet
and
what?
If
the
law-abiding
person
has
a
theft
of
their
non-serial
gun
the
ghost
gun.
I
So
all
of
these
situations
kind
of
show
that
it's
not
just
a
black
and
white
issue
of
law
abiding
or
not
law
abiding.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
we
pass
this
and
please
try
to
go
in
the
right
direction.
We
can't
keep
doing
this.
We
have
to
try
to
do
something
to
reduce
the
number
of
deaths
in
this
country,
and
this
is
just
a
tiny,
tiny
step
and
I'm
hopeful
that
we
do
pass
it
because
it
seems
only
the
illogical
thing
to
do.
Thank.
F
I
I
I
What
if
law
enforcement
informed
us
that
brass
knuckles
were
the
ideal
weapon
of
choice
for
gun
traffickers,
extremists
and
gangs?
Wouldn't
the
legislature
do
something
to
prevent
brass
knuckles
from
being
acquired
and
especially
not
anonymously
acquired?
What?
If
law
enforcement
reported
that
these
brass
knuckles
were
inexpensive
untraceable,
could
be
ordered
online
and
that
there
were
verified
reports
of
miners
purchasing
these
these
brass
knuckles
with
the
legislature.
Do
nothing.
I
They
are
illegal
in
our
state,
so
replace
brass
knuckles,
with
ghost
guns,
the
weapons
of
choice
for
gun,
traffickers,
extremists
and
gangs,
inexpensive,
untraceable
and
able
to
be
ordered
online
without
a
backtrack
background
check
even
by
minors,
and
you
will
see
how
the
same
intent
holds
true
nevadans
and
our
neighbors
deserve
a
safe
place
to
live.
Ghost
guns
cannot
be
exempt
from
our
laws.
F
I
The
rise
of
those
guns
is
the
fastest
growing
gun
safety
problem
facing
our
country.
The
unregulated
and
untraceable
nature
of
ghost
guns
isn't
incidental,
it's
their
primary
selling
point
and
they
are
predictably
emerging
as
a
weapon
of
choice
for
violent
criminals,
gun
traffickers,
dangerous
extremists
and
other
people
legally
prohibited
from
buying
firearms.
I
Those
guns
are
do-it-yourself
guns
made
from
readily
available
unregulated
building
blocks.
They
are
very
easy
to
make
their
core
parts
can
be
bought
online
or
a
gun
show
without
a
background
check
and
they
are
designed
and
marketed
to
be
easily
converted
into
a
fully
functional
firearm
with
little
skills.
I
The
under
regulation
of
these
key
components
has
resulted
in
a
proliferation
of
these
firearms
that
evade
any
method
of
being
traced.
Those
guns
have
been
used
in
heinous
crimes
in
california,
a
16
year
old
boy,
shot
and
killed
two
of
his
classmates
and
shot
and
wounded
three
others.
With
a
ghost
gun
in
washington,
dc
ghost
guns
were
used
in
four
recent
fatal
shootings
in
arizona,
a
neo-nazi
sex
offender
bragged
on
facebook,
about
his
arsenal
of
firearms
and
homemade
assault
style.
I
I
F
I
I
I
F
F
I
B,
as
in
boy
e-r-n-a-b-e-I,
thank
you
assembly
person,
haruhi,
senator
schaible,
members
of
the
judiciary.
Today
I
offer
emphatic
support
of
ab286.
I
am
a
parent,
an
educator
and
an
advocate
for
common
sense,
gun
reform.
I'm
scared
of
the
very
real
possibility
of
being
a
victim
in
a
mass
shooting,
because
I
know
so
many
people
who
have
been-
and
I
see
the
reality
of
this
epidemic
every
single
day
in
the
news
every
day,
over
300
people
are
shot
in
the
united
states.
An
average
of
over
20
of
them
are
children.
I
This
is,
according
to
bradyunited.org
states,
with
stricter
gun
control
laws,
witness
fewer
gun-related
deaths.
Every
time
we
see
something
on
our
newsfeed
about
a
mass
shooting,
we
collectively
mourn
and
shake
our
heads,
wonder
how
we
got
here
and
what
we
can
do
about
it
here.
We
are.
This
is
common
sense,
gun
reform.
If
you
are
not
on
board
with
this
kind
of
legislation,
then
you
are
being
complicit
to
the
violence
that
permeates
this
country
every
single
day.
I
Those
guns
are
an
easy
way
for
anyone
to
have
access
to
a
weapon
that
will
kill
and
even
most
gun
owners
agree.
There
needs
to
be
regulation
here.
It
is.
This
will
not
infringe
on
your
second
amendment
rights
because
you
can
still
have
other
firearms.
My
right
to
live
without
fear
is
more
important
than
your
right
to
own,
a
ghost
guy.
Thank
you.
F
F
F
A
I'm
having
trouble
hearing
this
caller,
it
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
background.
B
Because
we
can
do
that
or
add
it
don't
I
want
those
guns
on
the
street.
It's
great.
You
know
it's
crazy
again
by
everybody,
california,
judging
people
montagues,
you
guys
are
going
to
need
something.
F
F
B
For
the
record,
my
name
is
matthew
difalco
and
I'm
a
supporter
of
ab286.
I
trace
my
enthusiasm
for
firearms
to
my
service
on
active
duty
with
the
united
states
army's
18th
airborne
corps
for
2008
2012..
This
bill
does
not
take
away
my
second
amendment
rights
or
anybody
else's.
The
opposition
will
probably
question
how
many
of
these
homemade
guns
have
been
used
in
crimes.
B
The
answer
is
many.
For
example,
ghost
guns
have
been
used
in
three
separate
mass
shootings
in
california,
in
2019,
in
saugus,
in
2017,
in
tahamah
county
and
in
santa
monica
in
2013,
12
people,
including
two
teenagers,
were
killed
in
these
shootings.
Dozens
more
were
shot
and
injured.
2020
carlos
cannino,
the
special
agent
in
charge
of
the
atf
los
angeles
field
division,
explained
that
41.
B
F
B
Now
we
are
seeing
an
increase
in
violence
related
to
ghost
guns,
in
nevada
and
across
the
country.
With
many
of
these
guns
made
here
in
nevada,
ab-286
may
not
be
sweeping
reform,
but
is
a
common
sense
response
to
the
loopholes,
unregulated
and
untraceable
guns,
making
our
communities
and
our
schools
less
safe.
Please
pass
8286.
Thank
you.
F
I
Our
legislators
and
our
presenters
have
already
provided
the
technical
and
the
legal
details
of
ghost
guns
and
the
absolutely
egregious
dangers
that
they
present
as
an
additional
horrific
factor
to
the
public
safety
crisis
that
already
exists
as
gun
violence
in
our
country.
We
now
have
these
terrifying,
absolutely
untraceable
ghost
guns.
I
Suicide
claims
the
lives
of
23
000
people
in
america
every
year.
That's
nearly
two-thirds
of
all
gun
deaths
in
the
u.s
recent
gun
safety
regulations
that
include
universal
background
checks
and
red
flag
logs
focus
on
a
factor.
That's
quite
simply,
this
reducing
access
to
guns
for
those
who
should
not
have
them,
and
that
unfortunately,
includes
individuals
who
are
in
immediate
danger
of
killing
themselves
or
killing
others.
This.
I
I
I
F
F
F
B
My
name
is
vinod
kumar
gadli,
we
are
n-o-d-k-u-m-a
or
g,
a
d
l
e
y,
I'm
a
constituent
of
las
vegas,
and
I
am
in
support
of
adc86
and
thank
you
for
the
chair,
people
and
the
committee
members
and
I
have
supported.
I
see
all
the
testimony
what
people
are
giving
and
I
support
them
too
yeah.
It
should
be.
F
B
B
B
B
B
B
F
A
I'm
going
to
interrupt
very
briefly
just
to
let
everybody
know
that
we
are
coming
up
on
about
56
minutes
of
support
testimony.
I
will
limit
support
testimony
to
an
hour
and
then
I'll
allow
up
opposing
testimony
for
an
hour,
so
that
gives
us
you
know
between
two
and
ten,
more
callers,
depending
on
how
long
their
testimony
is.
F
A
All
right,
in
that
case
we
will
move
on
to
testimony
in
opposition
and
we
will
start
with
individuals
who
are
present
in
the
room
to
give
opposition
testimony.
And
you
will
have
two
minutes
to.
J
J
Can
I
take
this
off
while
I'm
up
here
all
right,
perfect?
Thank
you
church.
I
believe
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record
dan
reed
western
regional
director
with
the
national
rifle
association
here
in
strong
opposition
today
to
ab286
ab-286,
would
make
it
a
crime
under
nevada
law,
for
an
individual
to
possess,
sell
offer
to
sell,
transfer
or
purchase
transport
or
receive
an
unfinished
frame
or
receiver
or
any
other
firearm
without
a
serial
number
effectively.
Banning
the
long-standing
practice
of
making
a
firearm
for
personal
use.
J
We
heard
a
lot
about
polymer
80
today,
but
but
this
world
is
far
bigger
than
that
and
we'll
go
after
firearms
that
have
been
made
for
personal
use
by
law,
abiding
people
for
a
long
time
and
would
also
sweep
in
firearms
that
were
not
required
to
have
a
serial
number
before
1968
and
there's
some
some
confusion.
We
heard
some
back
and
forth
earlier
with
senator
settlemyre
and
the
proponents
of
of
what
actually
fits
into
a
curio
and
relic.
J
As
far
as
how
do
you
continue
to
keep
your
lawfully
acquired
property
right,
because
people
right
now
who
are
building
these
firearms
are
doing
so
in
accordance
with
existing
state
and
federal
law?
And
the
way
this
bill
is
written,
there's
really
no
way
to
keep
that
property
without
going
through
either
surrendering
it
or
going
through
some
sort
of
modification.
J
We
heard
about
sweeping
or
flipping
out
the
receiver,
etc,
and
so
in
reality
there
could
be
a
taking
here
or
you
might
have
a
firearm,
that's
of
high
value
that
doesn't
have
a
serial
number
and
you're
going
to
ask
someone
to
find
a
way
to
engrave
a
serial
number
on
there.
Potentially
devaluing
this,
this
firearm
and
let's
face
it
at
the
end
of
the
day,
firearms
are
heavily
regulated
under
both
state
and
federal
law.
J
This
we're
really
talking
about
the
hobbyists
that
are
out
there
today
that
are
making
something
for
their
own
personal
use
that
are
going
to
get
swept
under
this,
and
I
know
the
point's
been
making,
but
I
think
it's,
it's
really
really
important
to
remember
that
if
you're
prohibited
from
possessing
a
firearm
under
federal
and
state
law,
that's
all
firearms,
whether
it
was
made
in
your
garage
or
passed
down
from
generations
or
you
were.
It-
was
acquired
through
any
other
means.
If
you're
prohibited
from
owning
a
firearm,
it's
illegal
to
have
one
in
your
possession.
J
It's
a
felony
and
what
I
see
with
this
bill
is
we're
not
actually
going
after
the
bad
actors
there
that
are
already
going
to
potentially
be
violating
the
law
that
are
going
to
be
circumventing
existing
laws.
This
is
sweeping
up
law-abiding
citizens
who
may
be
subjected
to
criminal
penalties,
and
if
you
look,
there's
no
fiscal
on
this
bill,
there's
no
way
to
account
for
the
potential
takings.
Under
this
there's,
no
public
awareness
campaign
for
someone
who
may
have
firearms
in
their
safe,
maybe
they're
not
even
aware
that
they're
not
with
the
serial
number.
J
This
is
something
that
came
through
my
family
for
years,
and
could
they
potentially
be
liable
under
this?
They
have
a
short
window
of
time
to
potentially
comply
if
this
goes
into
effect-
and
I
know
that
I'm
running
short
on
time-
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
just
a
couple
of
points-
real
quick.
It
was
mentioned
by
the
proponents
that
the
california
law
was
passed
in
19
and
doesn't
go
into
effect
until
22.
That
is
inaccurate.
J
What
I
believe
the
proponents
were
referring
to
was
the
precursor
parts,
legislation
that
was
passed
and
signed
into
law
to
19
that
will
go
into
effect
in
22,
and
what
we
heard
in
california
is
that
criminals
were
not
complying
with
this
serialization
bill,
and
so
they
now
are
having
to
go
after
parts
which
are
not
firearms,
they're,
not
considered
firearms
anywhere
we're
talking
about
maybe
upper
receivers.
J
If
there's
a
lot
of
ambiguity,
they're
still
putting
regulations
out
there,
but
but
california
is
finding
that
criminals
are
not
complying
with
their
ghost
guns
law,
which
is
why
they're
continuing
to
expand
it
out.
Also,
we
heard
something
about
turning
into
a
dealer.
I
want
to
note
that
the
the
legislation,
references
licensed
importers
and
manufacturers
and
there's
a
distinction
there
between
a
regular
ffl
and
someone
who's,
an
importer
or
a
manufacturer,
and
so
I
think,
that's
a
clear
distinction.
It
may
not
necessarily
be
your
gun
dealer
down
the
street
also.
J
I
think
there
was
a
question
about
penalties
about
second
or
subsequent.
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
clarify
that,
because
I
think
that
this
could
be
read
if
you
had
multiple
firearms
in
your
possession.
That
may
run
afoul
to
this
law
that
you
could
potentially
be
charged
with
a
felony,
and
so
if
the
intent
is
to
to
be
occurrences,
I
think
that
that
language
should
be
be
cleaned
up,
but
I
will
wrap
up.
J
I
appreciate
you
indulging
me
chair,
we're
in
strong
opposition
and
let's
go
after
criminal
behavior
and
not
law-abiding
citizens.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
It
sounds
like
there
are
some
questions
for
you,
mr
reed.
We
don't
normally
allow
questions
for
people
at
opposition,
but
I
will
make
an
exception
today,
because
I'm
feeling
generous
senator
settle
byer.
H
H
Yet
the
other
sections
are
effective
on
passage
and
approval
in
other
states.
How
did
they
deal
with
that?
Because
this
almost
makes
it
illegal
to
have
and
possess,
but
then
you're
told
to
transport
it
to
turn
it
in?
How
have
other
states
tried
to
how's
that
worked
out
in
the
california
law?
Since
again,
this
seems
to
be
structured
after
what
california
did
even
the
testimony
that
we
needed
to
do
it
because
california
did
it
and
that's
why
my
question
exists.
J
Yes,
chair
through
you
to
senator
settlemeyer
again
for
the
record
dan
reed,
with
the
national
rifle
association,
so
in
the
region
that
I
cover
for
the
for
nra,
there's
been
two
states
that
have
have
dealt
with
this
issue.
The
focus
obviously
has
been
california,
california
put
in
place
a
system
where
people
could
actually
go.
They
had
a
whole
regulatory
process,
but
people
who
had
built
a
firearm
at
home
could
actually
apply
to
the
california
doj
to
be
assigned
a
serial
number
that
could
be
then
engraved
on
their
existing
home-built
firearms.
J
J
That's
now
going
after
parts,
that's
going
to
have
to
involve
a
dealer
in
order
to
transfer
for
parts
which
is
an
interesting
thing,
we're
still
waiting
on
a
lot
of
clarity
on
that
and
then
hawaii
recently
put
a
ban
on
home-built
firearms
and
they
did
looking
forward
so
from
the
date
of
enactment
of
that
legislation
moving
forward,
and
they
said
everything
prior
to
that
was
grandfathered
in
and
they
looked
at
any
newly
acquired,
unfinished
frames,
receivers
et
cetera.
J
J
A
A
You
are
welcome
to
simply
state
that
you
agree
with
the
previous
caller
and
we
do
understand
and
appreciate
that
allows
more
people
to
testify
and
also
we
have
received
a
number
of
pieces
of
written
testimony
which
are
already
entered
into
the
record,
and
I
encourage
all
of
our
committee
members
to
read
those
thoroughly
with
that.
I
will
turn
over
to
mr
kyle
for
to
you,
mr
kyle,
for
testimony
in
opposition
to
ab286.
F
B
My
name
is
lauren
kelly
l-o-r-a-n-k-e-l-l-e-y,
I'm
calling
on
the
after
citizens
of
nevada.
Actually
in
opposition
to
this
bill,
I
would
like
to
address
the
people
keep
bringing
up
marketing
and
how
these
products
are
marketed.
I
would
like
to
address
how
the
outlying
of
a
god-given
right
in
the
constitution
is
being
marketed
here,
so
the
dishonest
way,
I
think
some
of
this
is
being
approached-
is
disturbing
to
me,
starting
with
the
raid
on
polymer
80..
B
It
was
stated
as
if
the
purpose
of
the
raid
was
a
fact
when
it
is
not
to
this
date,
no
arrests
or
cease
and
desist
or
anything
have
transpired
as
a
result
of
those
raids.
So
that's
there's
nothing
has
been
happening.
It's
an
ongoing
investigation.
That's
all
I'll
say
about
that.
It's
just
that!
Nothing
has
actually
happened.
It
was
couched
as
if
it
was
a
crime
already
committed,
and
that
was
dishonest,
and
so
I
would
like
to
clear
that
up.
Secondly,
number
one
going
onto
the
numbers.
B
You're
talking
about
1.4
percent
that
were
actually
used
in
the
crime,
notwithstanding
the
amount
of
them
that
are
out
there
in
the
hands
of
at
this
point,
hundreds
of
thousands,
if
not
millions,
of
law-abiding
americans
and
in
nevada,
it's
a
very
popular
hobby
and
that's
exactly
what
it
is.
That's
the
other
mischaracterization
I
would
like
to
address.
B
Is
it
it's
bordering
on
the
slander
and
libel
category
to
categorize
people
who
enjoy
this
hobby
and
use
these
products
as
criminals
categorically,
and
I
think
that
that
that
is
a
mischaracterization
in
this
representation
of
the
people
who
enjoy
exercising
their
second
amendment
rights
in
this
manner?
B
And
I
I
don't
appreciate
that
I
I
heard
a
lot.
B
Sure,
basically,
I
just
I
just
heard
a
lot
of
talk
of
violent
crimes
being
committed
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
ghost
guns
in
syria
and
it's
it's.
It
is
a
purposeful,
dishonest
mischaracterization
in
order
to
vilify
not
only
the
product
but
the
people
that
use
them,
and
I
would
appreciate
a
little
bit
more
honest
feelings
from
the
people
that
represent
the
citizens
of
nevada.
Thank
you.
F
F
B
Many
people
have
decades-old
firearms
that
were
passed
on
to
them
through
family
members
or
acquired
older
firearms.
That
legally
contain
no
serial
number.
Others
have
ghost
guns
with
no
serial
numbers,
including
amateur
gunsmiths.
Ab286
would
criminalize
people
that
possess
those
firearms
and
kit
guns,
even
though
those
firearms
were
acquired.
While
it
was
legal
to
do
so,
many
firearms
manufactured
many
firearms
manufactured
prior
to
october,
22nd
1968,
when
the
gun
control
act
was
instituted,
never
had
a
serial
number
placed
on
them.
To
my
knowledge,
those
firearms
are
still
legal.
B
Today,
ab286
violates
article
1,
section
10
of
the
u.s
constitution
that
says
that
states
are
prohibited
from
passing,
exposed,
post-facto
laws.
This
gives
the
american
people
of
any
state
the
right
not
to
be
penalized
for
an
act
which
was
not
subject
to
any
such
penalty
when
the
act
occurred.
In
other
words,
no
law
should
be
established
which
criminalizes
an
act
that
was
lawful
at
the
time
it
was
committed.
B
B
B
B
F
I
My
name
is
brittany,
sheehan
b-r-I-t-t-a-n-y-s-h-e-e-h-a-n,
the
bill's
author
asserted
allegations
of
fact
against
polymer
80
and
they
have
a
right
to
defense.
The
presenter
showed
us
the
glock
style
product
from
this
company
on
behalf
of
polymer
80,
two
glock
style
samples
were
submitted
to
the
atf,
who
wrote
an
opinion
letter
on
these
products,
dated
in
2017.
I
directly
from
the
letter
to
reiterate
the
conclusions
of
ftisb's
evaluation.
Our
branch
has
determined
that
the
submitted
polymer
80
incorporated
block
style
receiver
blanks
incorporating
the
aforementioned
design
features
are
not
classified
as
the
frame
or
receiver
of
a
weapon
designed
to
excel
a
projectile
by
the
action
of
an
explosive.
Thus,
each
of
these
items
are
not
the
firearm,
as
defined
in
gca
18
usc
921
a3b,
everything
that
has
happened
since
the
atf.
The
proving
letter
is
a
little
more
than
a
witch
hunt.
I
The
atf
published
a
proposed
rule
on
friday
that
will
go
into
the
federal
register,
but
instead
of
letting
that
play
out
in
the
appropriate
venues,
nevada
is
trying
to
beat
them
to
it.
What
happens
when
the
standards
don't
match?
I
don't
think
the
answer
is.
The
answer
is
that
nevada
doesn't
care
or
they
would
kill
this
bill
and
yield
the
authority
on
the
matter.
This
legislative
activism
and
bill
disregards
everything
currently
happening
and
what
has
always
been
true
on
the
issue.
I
I
This
hearing
has
pegged
this
bill
as
keeping
firearms
from
prohibited
persons,
but
it
asks
nevadans
who
are
legal
persons
to
destroy
their
property.
The
popularity
of
these
products
is
based
on
the
desire
for
americans
to
not
want
their
firearms
confiscated.
Now
that
is,
response
is
exactly
what
drives
the
popularity
of
these
products.
They
will
indeed
confiscate
your
firearms.
This
bill
does
exactly
that.
Please
vote
no
on
this
terrible
bill.
F
F
B
Great,
thank
you
for
the
record.
My
name
is
michael
finley
f-I-n-d-l-a-y,
I'm
with
the
national
shooting
sports
foundation,
we're
the
trade
association
representing
manufacturers,
retailers
as
well
as
ranges
throughout
the
country
we
also
put
on
shot,
show
every
year,
which
has
nearly
sixty
thousand
attendees
head
and
beds
and
provides
over
200
million
dollars
of
direct
economic
value
to
the
state
of
nevada.
We're
here
to
testify
against
this
bill.
We
have
some
concerns
about.
B
Show,
first
and
foremost
under
section
six:
we
we
have
as
dan
reid
with
the
nra
alluded
to.
There
are
questions
on
whether
or
not
this
would
affect
the
pre
and
post-production
process
with
our
manufacturers
and
the
way
that
we
display
products
at
our
show.
To
give
you
an
example
of
this,
at
our
shows,
with
we
have
multiple
vendors
that
are
coming
together
and
just
like,
if
you
conceptualize
an
iphone,
an
iphone
isn't
made
all
at
the
same
time.
Oftentimes.
B
You
know
the
glass
is
made
somewhere
else.
It
is
the
cpu
is
made
somewhere
else,
and
then
it's
all
put
together.
The
same
can
be
true
of
a
firearm
in
certain
instances,
especially
with
serocoding
and
processes
like
that,
with
the
way
that
this
is
written
right
now,
there
are
serious
questions
as
to
whether
a
manufacturer
would
have
to
alter
or
become
when
they're
dealing
with
their
subcontractors.
B
They
would
have
to
that.
Person
would
also
have
to
be
a
manufacturer
and
right
now,
a
lot
of
them
are
classified
as
gunsmiths,
for
instance,
with
the
cera
coding
process
and
others.
So
we
would
like
to
highlight
that
that
would
potentially
put
a
crank
in
the
pre-production
process
of
lawful
manufacturing
process
of
small
arms
in
this
country.
The
second
thing
is
displaying,
especially
as
we
display
heirlooms
and
classics
that
were
pre-1968.
B
So
those
are
the
things
that
we'd
like
to
highlight
in
this
build
that
we
are
a
little
concerned
with
again
it's
part
of
the
production
process,
the
actual
manufacturing
and
doesn't
deal
with
those
that
have
received
variances
from
the
etf
for
those
production
processes
and
then
the
pre-1968
antique
showcases
that
that
some
of
our
ffls
display
during
our
shot
show.
So
with
that,
I
will
give
the
remainder
of
my
time
and
say.
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
committee.
F
I
Thank
you,
chair
scheible
and
members
of
the
judiciary
committee.
This
is
randy
thompson,
r-e-n-d-I
p-h-o-n-p-s-o-n,
with
the
nevada
firearms
coalition,
on
behalf
of
the
48
of
nevada
households,
who
are
law,
abiding
responsible
gun
owners.
We
are
in
opposition
to
this
bill.
I
have
provided
a
statement
on
nellis,
so
I
will
be
brief.
I
echo
the
concerns
that
dan
reed
and
michael
findlay
have
brought
up.
I
appreciate
the
question
senator
harris
asked
as
we
are
concerned.
The
bill
doesn't
allow
to
for
people
who
currently
possess
these
firearms
to
rectify
the
situation
and
comply
with
the
law.
I
Senator
settemer's
questions
about
the
enactment
dates
are
also
a
concern,
since
there's
no
legal
way
for
nevadans
who
own
unserialized
firearms
to
sell
their
unserialized
firearms.
I
think
you
will
see
a
legal
challenge
that
the
state
should
compensate
people
for
the
taking
of
their
property
people
making
guns
for
centuries
and
while
3d
printers
and
buying
frames
have
made
it
easier.
It
still
takes
a
lot
of
skill
to
build
a
working
gun.
That's
why
about
ninety
percent
of
guns
used
in
crimes
are
either
stolen
or
bought
in
the
black
market.
I
F
B
This
change
in
federal
regulations
could
substantially
alter
the
impact
of
ab286.
Although
the
word
firearm
is
loosely
defined
in
nrs
202,
section
253.
Similarly
to
the
federal
definition,
the
atf's
more
specific
regulatory
definition
could
be
used
in
support
of
criminal
prosecution
of
possession
of
an.
B
B
F
F
E
A
F
B
Hi
this
is
john
ross,
I'm
in
opposition
to
ab
286.
Oh
my
apology,
my
name
john
ross
j-o-h-n-r-o-s-s,
I'm
I'm
a
newly
acquired
resident
of
nevada,
and
I
appreciate
the
freedom
that
I
have
in
this
state.
Having
come
from
the
state
just
to
the
west
of
here,
I'm
I
have
a
problem
with
this
bill
because
I
truly
do
believe
it's
misguided
legislation.
B
It
seems
that
it's
more
aimed
at
the
manufacturer
of
these,
these
alleged
firearms,
which
they're
not
they're,
not
complete,
and
instead
of
and
instead
of
dealing
with
that
issue,
is
it's
come
it's
come
to
coming
after
the
personal
carrier
of
the
firearm
or
of
a
completed
firearm
after
they've,
been
after
they
have
built
it
for
personal
use.
B
This
is
one
of
those
things
that
has
really
bothered
me
for
years.
Is
that,
rather
than
going
after,
the
the
alleged
problem
is
that
they
go
after
those
that
that
are
not
a
problem
because
they're
easy
prey
and
easy
to
manipulate.
So
I
for
that.
I
take
umbrage
against
this,
and
I
just
I
really
have
an
issue
with
that.
I
I
apologize
that
I'm
not
very
well
versed
in
this,
but
I
just
got
word
that
this
was
happening
today,
so
I
tried
to
step
in
here.
I
so
going
back
to
this.
B
I
believe
it's
misguided
legislation.
I
don't
think
that
it's
gonna
do
anything
positive
to
prevent
crime
or
to
slow
anything
down.
I
I
think
all
it
does
is
just
make
it
more
difficult
for
the
law
abiding
to
abide
by
the
law
and
may
even
strip
them
of
their
rights
or
take
things
from
them
that
they've
already
purchased
legally
and
such
as
would
be
with
myself
fine.
B
F
B
J-A-N-I-N-E-H-A-N-S-E-N,
restrictive
gun
laws
do
not
lower
crime
or
violence,
but
when
more
law-abiding
citizens
own
and
carry
guns
crime
goes
down,
we
oppose
ab286,
which
is
a
violation
of
our
rights
and
nullifies
our
god-given
inalienable
right
to
keep
and
bear
arms.
The
second
amendment
says
the
right
shall
not
be
infringed.
Infringe
means
that
you,
the
government,
encroach
in
a
way
that
violates
our
rights.
Ab286
definitely
infringes
on
our
rights
and
is
in
incremental
destruction
of
our
right
to
keep
and
bear
arms.
B
What
happens
to
my
husband,
who
has
a
gun
from
his
grandmother,
a
30-6
which
he
uses
for
hunting,
which
is
pre
1968.?
What
happens?
Ab-286
makes
criminals
out
of
law-abiding
citizens
who
own
kit
guns
or
others
without
serial
numbers.
There
is
no
grandfather
clause
to
allows
those
who
legally
own
gun
kits
now
to
keep
them.
There
is
nothing
they
can
do
with
their
property,
but
destroy
it
or
turn
it
over
to
the
government.
How
many
crimes
have
been
committed
by
people
with
kit
guns
in
nevada?
What
problem
is
this
bill
trying
to
solve?
B
B
F
I
I
Please
hear
me
out
last
year
during
all
the
closures
gun
sales
were
at
a
record-breaking
high,
so
much
so
that
people
could
not
get
a
hold
of
a
gun
in
the
uncertainty
of
the
safety
in
the
current
world
state.
Luckily,
I
was
able
to
purchase
a
gun
with
a
serial
number
being
a
single
petite
puerto
rican
woman
living
alone.
With
my
frail
90
year
old
grandmother,
we
needed
some
form
of
protection,
some
form
of
home
protection
in
the
instance
where
a
registered
gun
could
not
be
purchased.
I
would
have
gotten
the
ghost
gun
roof.
I
Even
aside
from
that
situation,
I
am
fascinated
as
a
hobby
to
build
my
own
customizable
firearm
and
as
an
american.
According
to
our
foundational
constitution,
we
have
the
right
to
do
so.
Whether
government
knows
about
it
or
not,
so
don't
ban
guns
than
criminal
people
just
like
911
did
we
ban
airplanes,
do
planes
and
private
airplanes
kill
people,
no
criminals
do
guns
being
sold
out
last
year
and
that
one
person
raging
and
shooting
people
like
the
aforementioned
incident
here
in
vegas
is
data.
Displaying
guns
are
not
as
dangerous
as
those
in
support
of
this
bill.
I
Think
for
the
record
teams.
Building
ghost
guns,
because
that
was
mentioned
multiple
times
is
statistically
not
an
issue.
This
bill
is
the
start
to
removing
other
gun
freedoms-
let's
not
repeat
history
and
follow
the
same
path
as
nazi
germany
did
so.
Please
vote
against
this
intro
communist
bill
and
protect
our
freedoms
of
law-abiding
citizens.
Thank
you.
F
F
B
Former
manufacturer
of
firearms,
former
law
enforcement,
this
bill
does
absolutely
nothing
with
nearly
398
million
guns
in
the
united
states.
Do
we
honestly
think
that
taking
a
handful
out
is
going
to
make
a
difference?
It
isn't
the
other
thing
that
I
would
like
to
question
people
that
are
actually
trying
to
make
laws
and
the
untruths
that
are
coming
about
in
this
state.
You
need
to
know
the
laws
before
you
start
imposing
them
at
age
of
14.
You
can
legally
own
a
gun
in
the
state
of
nevada.
Nobody
has
brought
that
up.
B
B
F
F
B
B
B
F
I
Good
afternoon
this
is
lynn,
chapman
l-y-n-n-c-h-a-p-m-a-n
state.
Vice
president
of
nevada
families
for
freedom,
we
oppose
ab286.
Our
borders
are
wide
open.
Who
has
come
into
our
country?
Do
we
know?
No,
we
don't
do.
We
know
what
firepower
is
being
brought
into
our
country.
No,
we
don't.
When
this
bill
was
in
the
assembly.
I
had
heard
on
the
news
the
night
before
that
four
known
terrorists
were
apprehended
at
our
border.
I
I
just
heard
last
night
on
the
news
that
over
six
thousand
more
terrorists,
rapists,
child
molesters
and
murderers
from
around
the
world
have
now
been
apprehended
at
our
border
and
those
were
the
ones
that
were
caught.
I
wonder
how
much
fire
power,
the
ones
that
were
not
caught,
brought
with
them?
How
about
gangs
in
our
country?
What
about
the
drug
cartels?
They
are
most
certainly
heavily
armed
and
usually
outgunned
our
own
police,
and
yet
you
keep
going
after
the
law-abiding
citizens
with
more
laws
that
will
do
nothing
but
disarm
them.
I
I
F
F
B
Hello,
my
name
is
jared
rahman,
that
is
j-a-r-e-d
ramen
r-a-m-a-n
and
I
represent
myself,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
taking
my
call
and
I'd
like
to
bring
up
a
point
that
I
discussed
with
senator
dallas
harris
just
yesterday,
and
I
want
to
also
point
out
that
she's
a
phenomenal
representative
to
speak
with.
Even
if
we
don't
always
agree
and
it's
a
pleasure
to
speak
with
her.
B
B
As
soon
as
you
get
rid
of
companies
like
polymer
80,
for
me,
being
able
to
conduct
commerce
in
the
state
of
nevada
you're
going
to
create
a
black
market
where
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
track
them
at
all
as
little
as
you
think
you
can
track
them,
you
can't
track
them.
The
files
are
downloadable,
guns
are
going
to
be
made.
You
can't
stop
the
signal
when
we
look
at
gun
owners
in
nevada
and
across
the
united
states.
B
We
are
among
the
most
law-abiding
people
in
the
planet.
You
know
if
you
look
at
our
numbers
of
ccws
being
issued
the
compliant
parts
on
rifles
based
on
arbitrary
rules
by
the
atf.
We
comply
with
laws
like
crazy
for
better
or
for
worse,
but
when
you
keep
on
pushing
the
bar
back,
what
do
you
expect
to
happen?
Eventually,
people
are
just
going
to
have
enough
and
you're
going
to
take
the
most
law-abiding
people
on
this
planet
and
you're,
going
to
make
the
non-live
law
abiding
they're
not
going
to
play
your
game
anymore.
B
I
think
it's
especially
important
to
to
to
to
think
to
ourselves.
What
are
you
guys
going
to
do
when
the
most
law-abiding
people
don't
want
to
abide
by
laws
anymore,
because
they're,
unconstitutional
and
they're
unjust?
B
Oh
sure,
I'm
sorry
yeah,
I
think
you
guys
are
in
danger
of
losing
shot
show
if
you
move
forward
with
this
legislation.
I
think
that
would
cost
a
lot
of
trauma
with
your
unions
that
you
guys
are
in
bed
with,
and
I
strongly
hope
you
enclose
this
bill.
Thank
you
very
much
and
have
a
great
day.
F
B
Good
afternoon,
chair
scheibel
and
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee,
I'm
eric
spratley
s,
p,
r,
t
s-p-r-a-t-l-e-y,
the
executive
director
for
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association,
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association
is
here
in
opposition
to
ab-286
due
to
the
procedural
enforcement
issue.
It
presents
for
nevada
law
enforcement
officers
for
actual
enforcement
of
sections
three
four
and
five
on
citizens
throughout
the
state
of
nevada.
B
B
Similarly,
if
an
affairs
person
could
buy
a
manufactured
and
serialized
firearm
and
then
apply
that
clean
and
valid
serial
number
to
a
non-serialized
frame
or
receiver,
so
there
could
be
multiple
firearms
with
the
same
serial
number
out
there.
Our
officers
running
these
numbers
out
and
field
would
not
have
information
to
prove,
otherwise
it
will
show
up
clear
and
valid.
B
Additionally,
how
would
our
law-abiding
citizens
even
transport
their
non-serialized
frame
or
receiver,
if
it's
a
crime
to
do
so?
Remember:
they're
law
abiding?
So
if
it's
a
felony
they're,
not
even
going
to
touch
it
because
that's
possession
not
certainly
not
going
to
take
it
into
a
car
to
take
it
somewhere
and
have
it
disposed
of,
will
the
state
be
going
to
the
residence
to
collect
the
property,
because
if
that
person
is
going
to
take
it
somewhere,
they'd
be
committing
a
criminal
act.
B
So
for
that
the
nbsta
proposed
an
amendment
that
would
avoid
making
criminals
out
of
our
law-abiding
citizens
in
sections
three
four
and
five,
but
that
amendment
was
not
accepted
and
for
that
we
oppose
this
bill.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
F
F
B
The
lady
who
brought
up
this
law
that
she
just
wants
to
ban
guns
and
every
session
it
seems
like
we
are
in
a
battle
against
her
to
stop
to
stop
the
ban
and
and
every
single
gun
law
that
seems
to
go
into
effect,
also
affects
people
of
color
and
the
most,
and
that
that
scares
me,
because
I
don't
want
with
law
enforcement
to
have
another
tool
to
go
after
the
people
of
color.
B
If
this
comes
down
to
it,
so
I
would
rather
law
enforcement
focus
on
the
on
the
criminals
who
are
committing
the
crimes
instead
of
something
like
this,
which
is
just
a
part
of
of
of
a
gun,
and
it
seems,
like
collectors,
are
just
gonna
get
that
grandpa's
guns
are
gonna,
be
the
ones
caught
up
in
this
and
we're
gonna,
see
older
collectors
who
have
had
guns
handed
down,
suddenly
have
to
deal
with
jail
and
and
extensive
fees
to
fight
it,
and
the
people
who
they're
actually
going
after
are
not
going
to
be
touched
with
this
bill,
because
because
the
criminals
are
going
to
have
the
guns,
no
matter,
what
no
matter
and
this.
B
This
is
the
type
of
law
that
might
actually
feel
good.
But
it's
not
going
to
affect
the
criminals
that
they
are
going,
that
they
are
going
after
and-
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
it
seems
like
every
two
years.
We
are
fighting
against
assembly
woman,
sandra
trying
to
ban
more
guns
and
if
she
would
just
focus
on
going
after
the
criminals
committee,
the
actual
crimes
instead
of
the
tool.
That
would
be
a
lot
more
kind
of
official
and
I
would.
B
B
A
All
right,
thank
you,
and
I'm
going
to
remind
future
callers
to
keep
their
comments
to
the
bill,
nothing
personal
about
the
people
in
this
room
or
involved
in
these
conversations,
but
to
the
policy.
Please.
F
B
Afternoon,
my
name
is
nick
ferguson
n,
I
c
k
b:
u
r
g
e
s,
o
n,
as
an
army
veteran,
I
oppose
the
passing
of
bill
ab286
by
creating
and
attaching
these
laws
and
rules
to
law-abiding
gun
owners.
You
hinder
them
from
equipping
themselves
with
the
needs
and
proper
equipment
to
protect
themselves
from
the
problem.
These
ghost
guns,
as
they've
been
called,
are
only
pieces
of
plastic
and
metal
until
fully
milled
and
arch.
B
They
are
just
more
government
regulations
on
products
from
private
businesses
that
enter
them
from
their
right
to
the
pursuit
of
happiness,
stop
partnering
in
law,
bindings
owner
gun
owners
and
citizens,
refrain
from
gun
registrations
and
put
the
taxes
to
education,
health
care
to
teach
our
younger
citizens
and
undeniably
uneducated
individuals,
respect
and
care
for
firearms
and
how
to
deal
with
mental
issues
that
deal
with
today.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
committee.
That's
my
speech.
F
B
B
I've
built
an
undisclosed
amount
of
unserialized
firearms
for
my
own
for
my
own
personal
use,
and
I
value
them
specifically
because
they
are
anonymous
in
nature.
I
view
my
uncerealized
firearms
as
they
are
tied
to
my
second
amendment
right
and
my
fourth
and
fifth
amendment
right.
I
look
at
this
as
not
a
second
amendment
issue,
but
a
fourth
amendment
issue.
The
advancement
of
technology
and
the
internet
has
brought
down
barriers
to
manufacturing
so
much
so
that
we
are
now
seeing
people
seize
the
means
of
production.
B
People
have
the
ability
to
design
and
manufacture
household
items,
medical
devices
tools,
and,
yes,
even
firearms,
in
the
privacy
of
their
own
homes.
Unbeknownst
to
anyone.
The
desire
for
privacy
and
exercising
the
right
to
keep
and
bear
arms
is
no
different
than
the
privacy
we
expect.
When
voting
in
our
elections,
the
privacy
we
expect
from
the
blinds
on
our
homes,
the
privacy
we
expect.
When
writing
a
letter,
email
practicing
our
religion,
all
in
our
own
homes,
our
home
printers,
aren't
serialized
and
registered
to
prevent
criminals
from
committing
fraud.
B
Cameras,
aren't
serialized
and
registered
in
order
to
prevent
criminals
from
committing
stalking
or
produce
child
pornography.
Computers
aren't
serialized
and
registered
in
order
to
prevent
terrorists
from
watching
cyber
attacks
on
fuel
pipelines.
Privacy
in
and
of
itself
is
not
caused
for
suspicion
of
criminal
activity.
Blinds
aren't
caused
for
suspicion
of
the
domestic
abuse
or
assault.
I
understand
the
heller
decision
acknowledged
that
the
second
amendment
is
not
unlimited
and
supports
laws
around
commercial
sales.
B
What
we
are
talking
about
is
privately
made
firearms
and
handguns
recognized
as
a
fundamental
individual
right
in
the
privacy
of
our
own
homes
for
personal
use.
This
is
the
direct
opposite
of
commercial
activity,
and
it's
not
permissible
to
say
that,
just
because
serialized
firearms
are
available
that
it's
okay
to
ban
the
possession
of
unserialized
firearms
see
heller,
page
57.
B
B
An
officer
needs
to
have
reasonable
suspicion
that
a
person
that
has
committed
a
crime
or
is
about
to
commit
a
crime
or
is
committing
a
crime.
In
order
for
that
person
to,
I
identify
themselves,
be
hybal
so
exercising
my
second
amendment
right
inside
my
own
home
in
the
privacy
of
my
own
home
unbeknownst
to
the
government.
They
need
to
have
reasonable
suspicion
before
I'm
even
required
to
identify
myself.
B
This
bill
is
laying
the
groundwork
and
precedent
for
the
violation
of
our
right
to
privacy
within
our
homes,
all
in
the
pursuit
of
unattainable,
private
or
unobtainable
safety.
I
beg
you,
please
don't
turn
me
in
thousands
of
nevada
exercising
our
fourth
and
second
rights
into
criminals,
we're
peaceful
people.
We
just
want
to
go
about
continuing
our
lives.
Your
past
two
minutes
finishing
up
here.
Man.
Thank
you.
I
I
understand.
B
Please
don't
infringe
on
our
on
my
natural
rights.
I
we're
not
a
threat
to
you
or
anyone
else.
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
for
your
time
and
for
those
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
kyle.
In
case
anybody
missed
that
we
have
called
on
everybody
who
called
in
in
opposition
and
everybody
had
a
chance
to
speak
and
give
their
testimony,
and
so
I
certainly
speak
for
myself
and
I
think
the
whole
committee
when
I
say
that
we
appreciate
all
of
the
engagement
with
this
bill.
We
will
now
move
to
neutral
testimony
on
ab286.
F
A
C
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
committee
members,
and
I
want
to
start
by
saying
thank
you
to
senator
settlemeyer
who's,
not
here,
but
we
will
have
an
amendment
by
close
of
business
tomorrow
to
address
some
things
that
he
pointed
out
like
the
effective
date
when
we
took
these
some
sections
out
of
the
bill
before
it
made
it
to
this
house.
We
did
not
change
the
effective
date,
which
was
meant
to
be
effective
for
those
portions
of
the
bill.
C
Only
the
business,
empowerment
section,
the
ghost
guns
portions
of
the
bill,
have
have
always
meant
to
be
effective
january,
1st
2022.
So
I
will
address
that
and
also
he
pointed
out
updating
the
definition
of
an
antique
firearm
to
include
a
year
which
we
will
be
doing
and
have
an
amendment
to
you.
But
I
also
want
to
thank
senator
hansen.
Thank
you
for
your
words
and
your
expressions
of
compassion,
because
you're
right,
I
will
never
be
able
to
adequately
explain
it
to
anybody.
What
it
feels
like
to
endure.
C
I
decided
that
I
was
going
to
make
it
my
mission
to
work
so
that
no
one
in
nevada
has
to
experience
that
type
of
hell.
Again,
you
have
heard
today
from
the
people
who
say
that
ab286
won't
stop
every
felon
from
buying
a
gun.
It
won't
stop
every
incident
of
gun,
violence
or
save
every
victim,
but
we
talked
about
it.
No
law.
We
pass
stops
every
bad
thing
from
happening.
C
The
point
in
all
these
measures,
including
assembly
bill
286,
is
that
it
will
stop
some
incidents.
It
will
save
some
lives.
Thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
committee
for
hearing
assembly
bill
286.
I
urge
your
support
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
back
in
the
future
for
all
the
good
work
we
will
do.
A
Thank
you
so
much
assemblymember
haudiki.
We
always
appreciate
having
you
here
in
our
committee
and
it
was
a
great
presentation
and
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
ab280
and
at
this
time
I
will
move
to
public
comment.
A
F
F
I
My
name
is
brittany,
c
and
b-r-I-t-t-a-n-y-s-h-e-e-h-a-n.
The
assembly
woman's
closing
comment
made
me
think
you
know,
I
really
wouldn't
want
my
children
to
be
in
a
combat
situation
where
they
felt
something
like
that.
So
I
would
like
to
ask
are
legislators
that
maybe
they
can
think
about
and
draft
for
the
next
session
to
make
it
illegal
to
register
in
the
selective
service
from
the
state
of
nevada,
so
our
children
are
never
put
into
a
situation
like
that
against
their
will.
So
I
would
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
kyle.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
meeting.
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
everybody
again
who
who
came
in
and
testified
and
presented
and
tell
you
how
much
we
appreciate
it.
I
also
want
you
guys
to
know
for
those
of
you
who
are
in
the
committee
room
and
see
that
some
of
our
members
have
departed.
We
have
been
here
for
about
three
hours
and
we
have
other
committees
going
on.
A
It
is
deadline
week,
so
they
did
each
reach
out
to
me
and
let
me
know
that
they
just
couldn't
make
the
schedule
work,
but
I
assure
you
that
they
are
committed
to
you
know,
vetting
this
issue
thoroughly
and
coming
to
the
right
decision.
A
That
being
said,
tomorrow
is
the
first
day
that
we
will
be
meeting
at
11
a.m
instead
of
1
p.m,
and
in
continuing
to
try
to
be
as
transparent
as
possible,
I
am
not
sure
what
order
we
will
go
in
it's
my
intention
to
start
with
ab400
before
the
assembly
goes
to
the
floor
at
11
30.
that
could
change
tomorrow,
but,
as
always,
please
feel
free
to
contact.
A
My
committee
manager
or
myself,
if
there's
an
issue
with
you,
know
a
bill,
you
plan
to
testify
on
or
a
bill
you
wanted
to
be
in
the
hearing
for
and
the
schedule
change
has
made
that
impossible,
because
we
will
try
to
work
with
you.
Otherwise,
I
will
see
some
of
you
again
at
11
am
tomorrow
and
the
rest
of
you
at
another
time
with
that
we
are.