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A
A
C
A
Here,
thank
you
so
much
I'll,
please
let
the
record
also
reflect
that
we
are
joined
by
our
committee,
analyst,
patrick
geinin,
and,
as
always,
our
committee
council
nick
anthony,
remains
available
to
us
to
answer
questions
though
he
is
not
here
at
the
meeting
today.
We
have
two
bills
to.
We
also
may
be
getting
some
additional
bdrs.
We
introduced
one
on
the
floor
this
morning,
go
us,
but
we
still
have
a
few
more
that
are
out
there.
A
So
I
may
be
interrupting
the
hearings
to
get
that
done,
so
we
can
process
them
in
the
most
timely
fashion,
but
other
than
that.
This
meeting
will
run
as
usual
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
listening
in
same
process
as
always
for
clicking
on
the
participate
button
in
order
to
register
to
testify
you'll
be
provided
with
the
phone
number.
To
do
that,
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
get
started.
I
will
open
up
the
hearing
on
sb
161
and
turn
it
over
to
our
special
guest,
senator
spearman.
F
Okay,
good
afternoon,
shara,
scheibel
and
committee
members,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
senate
bill
161
for
the
record.
I
am
pat
spearman
representing
senate
district,
one
in
clark,
county
senate
bill
161
was
requested
by
the
sunset
committee
of
the
legislative
commission
and
it
was
my
pleasure
to
serve
as
chair
of
the
subcommittee
during
the
2019
2020
interim.
The
bill
proposes
to
eliminate
the
advisory
committee
to
study
laws
concerning
sex
offender
registration,
which
is
the
advisory
committee
and
transfer
its
duties
to
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice.
F
On
january
10
2020
at
the
first
meeting
of
the
subcommittee,
the
center
of
the
subcommittee
chose
15
entities
to
be
reviewed
during
the
interim
and
one
of
those
one
of
those
was
the
advisory
committee.
The
advisory
committee
was
selected
to
review
because
it
had
never
been
reviewed
by
the
subcommittee
and
it
had
not
held
a
meeting
since
october,
2nd
2018,
despite
the
law
requiring
it
to
meet
at
least
twice
per
year.
F
Deputy
attorney
general
testified
before
the
subcommittee
on
behalf
of
the
advisory
committee,
and
they
presented
the
recommendation
that
the
study
of
sex
offender
registration
laws
should
take
place
within
the
advisory
commission
of
the
administration
of
justice
of
nrs
176.0123,
the
nevada
sentencing,
commission,
nrs,
176
departed,
decided
or
I'm
sorry.
The
department
of
sentencing
policy,
or
perhaps
both
entities
for
the
following
reasons:
number
one.
F
F
The
subcommittee
as
the
representatives
from
the
office
of
attorney
general
did
not
express
a
preference
between
acha
or
the
nevada
sentencing
commission
for
transfer
of
these
duties.
That
said,
I
am
supportive
of
the
bill
as
drafted
senate
bill
161
has
no
fiscal
impact
and
at
this
point
madam
chair,
I
would
like
to
turn
the
bill
presentation
over
to
mr
dare
and
mrs
brady
from
the
office
of
the
attorney
general
thank.
G
You
hi
good
afternoon.
My
name
is
jessica.
Dare
for
the
record?
Thank
you
so
much
senator
spearman
for
that
introduction.
I
am
joined
today
by
deputy
attorney
general
katie
brady,
who
is
an
expert
in
laws
regarding
sex
offender
registration
and
has
been
instrumental
in
litigation
regarding
the
adam
walsh
act.
G
G
We
did
not
have
certain
members
from
various
organizations
appointed
by
those
organizations,
and
thus
we
were
unable
to
make
quorum
and
hold
a
meeting
just
a
bit
of
history
about
the
advisory
commission.
The
advisory
excuse
me
the
advisory
committee,
the
advisory
committee
to
study
laws
regarding
concerning
sex
offender
registration
has
now
been
in
statute
for
over
10
years.
G
Another
important
feature
of
the
advisory
committee
is
the
lack
of
certain
stakeholders
in
its
membership,
as
senator
spearman
just
mentioned.
The
statute
does
not
require
a
representative
of
the
department
of
public
safety
or
the
central
repository,
the
department
of
corrections,
the
department
of
parole
and
probation
or
the
state
board
of
parole.
Commissioners.
G
G
It
is
for
these
reasons
that
the
attorney
general's
office
recommended
that
the
continued
study
of
sex
offender
registration
laws
occur
within
the
advisory
commission
on
the
administration
of
justice.
The
department
of
corrections
and
public
safety
are
required
to
assist
the
committees,
which
is
very
helpful
in
the
necessary
data
collection,
and
the
acaj
includes
relevant
stakeholders,
as
well
as
a
broader
scope
that
would
incorporate
registration
requirements
into
a
more
comprehensive
discussion
of
how
to
best
address
those
who
have
been
convicted
of
sex
offenses.
G
A
H
H
A
H
H
H
Madam
chair,
there
are
no
callers
in
the
queue
at
this
time
for
opposition
apologize
for
that.
A
A
Well,
first
I'd
like
to
finish
the
hearing,
and
then
we
can
return
to
that
question
so
broadcast.
If
we
could
have
testimony
in
the
neutral
position
on
sb161.
H
H
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
in
that
case,
I
will
now
close
the
hearing
on
sb
161
we're
not
going
to
move
the
bill
today.
We
will
do
that
if
we
are
going
to
do
it
in
a
later
work
session
with
a
number
of
other
bills,
we
still
have
time
before
the
deadline,
so
we
appreciate
you
joining
us,
miss
adair
ms
brady,
and
that
closes
the
hearing
on
sb
161,
and
we
will
now
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
sb
187.
A
F
I
again
I'm
still
pat
spearman
representing
senate
district
1.,
I'm
honored
to
come
before
you
again
today
this
time
to
present
senate
bill
187,
which
seeks
to
continue
the
work
I
began
in
2017
with
the
senate
bill
4-0
to
reduce,
and
hopefully,
one
day,
eliminate.
The
use
of
solitary
confinement
in
our
correctional
system,
specifically
sb187
requires
the
collection
of
relevant
data
that
has
been
unavailable
up
to
now
and
it
implements
recommendations
made
by
the
vera
institute
of
justice
based
on
the
findings
of
a
multi-year
study.
F
The
study
was
conducted
in
cooperation
with
nevada's
department
of
corrections
on
the
use
of
solitary
confinement
in
our
state.
I
have
provided
a
link
to
a
full
link
to
the
vera
institute
study
as
an
exhibit
today,
and
I
urge
the
committee
members
urged
the
committee
members
of
the
public
to
read
it
before
I
discuss
senate
bill
187.
F
F
F
F
First
of
all,
sections
2
through
10
of
the
bill
provide
clarifying
definitions
of
terms
related
to
solitary
confinement,
many
of
which
are
used
across
the
department
of
corrections,
but
which
are
not
defined
or
implemented
with
any
consistency
which
makes
it
very
difficult
to
gather
and
understand
data
in
any
meaningful
way,
not
to
mention
the
difficulty
experienced
by
offenders
who
are
subject
to
this
dizzying
list
of
names.
For
solitary
confinement.
F
These
plans
are
to
be
holistic
in
nature
and
take
into
account
an
offender's
programming
needs
behavioral,
history
and
other
contributing
factors
avoid
releasing
an
offender
from
solitary
confinement
directly
into
the
community
by
requiring
placement
in
the
general
population
at
least
30
days.
Before
releasing
and
prioritizing
offenders
who
have
been
subject
to
solitary
confinement
for
more
than
30
days
or
re-entering
a
program
at
least
one
year
ahead
of
their
release
date.
F
They
must
evaluate
the
conditions
and
use
the
disciplinary
segregation
for
vulnerable
populations,
such
as
youth,
women,
offenders
with
disability
or
mental
illness,
and
such
evaluations
must
include
analysis
of
efforts
to
eliminate
the
use
of
solitary
confinement
with
those
with
severe
mental
mental
illness.
Analysis
of
efforts
to
prioritize
placement
of
offenders
in
less
restrictive
settings
and
a
weekly
review
of
vulnerable
offenders
subject
to
solitary
confinement
to
assess
whether
they
can
be
returned
to
the
general
population.
F
They
must
review
all
offenders,
subjected
to
solitary
confinement
with
a
mental
health
evaluation
within
24
hours
and
an
evaluation
by
the
multi-disciplinary
classification
committee
once
a
week
for
the
first
60
days
and
once
a
month
thereafter,
you
must
provide
access
to
behavioral
health
transition.
Transitional
educational
and
group
programming
for
those
in
solitary
confinement
requires
staff
training
for
those
who
seek
seek
work
in
solitary
confinement
units
in
effective
communications
crisis.
F
Intervention
and
de-escalation
improve
overall
conditions
in
solitary
confinement
by
providing
at
least
two
hours
of
out-of-sale
recreation
daily,
including
structured
activity,
providing
concrete
recreation
as
appropriate,
depending
upon
the
risk
evaluation
and
providing
telephone
access.
At
least
once
daily.
Between
the
hours
of
8
am
and
11
pm,
and
providing
access
to
weekly
contact
visits.
F
Madam
chair,
with
your
indulgence,
I'd
just
like
to
comment
again
on
why
we
we
brought
senate
bill
402
in
the
2017
session.
It
was
watching
my
attention
by
the
then
director
of
department
of
corrections
that
when
he
arrived,
he
found
some
seriously
mental
mentally
ill
offenders
in
solitary
confinement,
and
they
had
been
there
for
five
years.
F
Now
I
know
that
there
are
some
in
our
society
who
say
well,
they
offended
you
know,
that's
why
they're
in
jail
well
pump
your
brakes
because
everybody
that's
in
prison
is
not
guilty
of
the
crime
that
they've
been
accused
of.
We
do
know
that
there
are
some
populations
that
are
inordinately
represented
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and
based
upon
their
population
or
the
demographic
percentage
in
wider
society,
and
so
I
want
to
start
there
and
say
that
even
if
they
are
guilty,
they
are
still
human
beings
and
we
should
treat
them
as
such.
F
F
We
all
know
that
black
and
brown
people
are
incarcerated
at
vastly
higher
rates
than
white
people
in
america,
and
I
would
argue
that
the
vera
institute
study
I've
mentioned
today
makes
it
clear
that
in
nevada,
solitary
confinement
disproportionately
impacts
black
and
brown
people
as
well
as
makes
the
goal
of
returning
to
society
as
a
whole,
healthy,
productive
person,
infinitely
more
difficult.
We
need
to
fix
this
system
in
order
to
do
that.
F
We
need
alternatives
to
solitary
confinement,
rehabilitated
program,
accountability
and
data
unless
anyone
say
that
I'm
playing
the
race
card,
let
me
remind
you
that
we
have
to
deal.
We
have
to
work
with
a
card
that
we've
dealt
the
hand
we've
been
dealt,
and
so
the
race
card
is
already
in
there.
That's
not
me
playing
it,
I'm
just
acknowledging
what
is
there
and
it
is
a
part
of
the
process
of
growth,
and
we
must
make
sure
every
time
we
see
persistent
racism,
I'm
not
calling
anybody
racing
racist.
F
Let
me
say
that
again,
I
am
not
calling
anyone
a
racist,
I'm
simply
saying
that
there
are
structural
systems
in
our
society,
that
we
have
to
recognize,
perpetuate
systemic
racism
and
so
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and
for
some
people,
criminal
injustice
and
keep
in
mind
I'm
a
retired
military
police.
So
I
understand
this
process.
F
F
A
Thank
you
so
much
senator.
We
really
appreciate
that
thorough
introduction
to
the
bill
and
your
presentation.
I
also
understand
that
we
have
mr
chipak
here
from
the
aclu,
as
well
as
mr
de
palma,
to
present
on
the
bill,
and
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
them
at
this
time.
A
K
I
Sorry
they
tested
me,
it
came
in
clear
if
we
want
to
pass
it
over
to
mary
booster.
To
make
her
quick
comment.
I
can
call
in.
L
He's
nick's
coming
through
loud
and
clear
on
mine.
Just
you
know.
A
Okay,
why
don't
you
go
ahead,
mr
c
pack
and
I'll
interrupt
you
again
if
it
gets
too
quiet.
I
I
appreciate
that
and
sorry
about
the
trouble
again
hello.
My
name
is
nick
chipak
for
the
record,
I'm
the
policy
and
program
associate
with
the
aclu
of
nevada.
It
is
a
true
pleasure
to
be
here
in
the
senate
judiciary
committee.
It
is
nice
to
be
more
than
just
a
voice
in
the
void.
We
were
very
excited
when
senator
spearman
reached
out
to
us
about
working
on
this
legislation
before
this
session.
Solitary
confinement
is
something
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
personally
and
to
our
organization.
M
I
I
The
united
nations
has
developed
minimum
standards
for
housing
prisons.
These
standards
are
referred
to
as
the
mandala
rules.
Mandela
rules.
The
united
nations
considers
solitary
confinement
of
over
15
days
to
be
tortured.
They
also
consider
the
placement
of
vulnerable
populations
such
as
individuals,
physical
and
known
mental
disabilities,
in
solitary
for
any
amount
of
time,
unacceptable.
I
New
york
has
a
bill
on
the
governor's
desk
that
meets
these
standards,
and
the
colorado's
department
of
corrections
already
meets
these
standards.
This
bill
goes
nowhere
near
that
far.
In
fact,
it
simply
requires
ndoc
to
develop
regulations
to
meet
the
recommendations
from
a
study
they
themselves
commissioned.
I
The
the
aclu
has
been
working
on
solitary
confinement
reform.
For
many
years.
I
have
been
working
with
solitary
survivors
myself
for
over
three
years
now
you
will
have
a
chance
to
meet
one
in
just
a
minute.
His
name
is
frank
de
palma.
He
spent
over
22
years
in
the
nevada
department
of
corrections.
In
solitary
straight,
you
will
also
have
a
chance
to
meet
with
mary
abuser,
who
is
an
lcsw
who
worked
for
over
five
years
in
solitary
units
and
can
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
about
solitary
and
mental
health.
I
Some
of
the
viewers
key
findings
that
brought
us
to
this
point
is
that
there
was
a
high
number
of
people
in
solitary
units
that
had
mental
health
needs.
There
were
was
a
very
large
amount
of
people
being
held
in
solitary
longer
than
they
were
sentenced
because
of
lack
of
bed
space,
and
there
were
significant
numbers
of
people
being
released
directly
into
the
community,
from
solitary
confinement
or
within
30
days
of
being
held
in
solitary
confinement.
I
We
know
this
is
a
very
makes
re-entry
very
difficult,
so
we
wanted
to
bring
forth
this
piece
of
legislation.
This
bill
addresses
all
of
those
issues
and
more.
We
are
in
talks
with
the
united
department
of
corrections.
We
are
aware
of
some
of
their
concerns.
We
had
a
brief
meeting
with
them
and
then
also
a
brief
phone
call.
They've.
I
In
in-depth,
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
do
that,
yet
they've
indicated
they
have
a
spreadsheet
on
the
bill.
We
also
haven't
seen
that,
but
we're
looking
forward
to
it.
Some
of
the
concerns
they've
raised
have
to
do
with
staffing
and
the
availability
of
mental
health
professionals
and
the
cost
of
implementing
some
reforms.
We're
happy
to
continue
to
work
with
them
and
discuss
and
find
ways
to
roll
this
out
in
a
way
that
they
have
the
time
to
get
the
resources
they
need.
I
It
is
not
our
intent
to
force
ndoc
to
radically
change
any
practices
tomorrow,
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
them
to
find
a
better
to
find
solutions
that
we
can
all
agree
upon
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
frank
de
palma,
I
do
want
to
say
that
there
was
a
little
bit
of
misinformation.
I
heard
on
the
bill
today
on
the
radio.
I
It
suggests
that
we
are
completely
limiting
the
use
of
solitary
confinement
to
30
days
and
while
we
are
reducing
disciplinary
segregation
to
30
days,
this
bill
would
allow
the
department
of
corrections
if
someone
was
still
deemed
a
safety
risk
after
they
had
served
their
disciplinary
time
to
place
them
in
administrative
segregation
as
long
as
they
built
a
plan
with
them
to
make
sure
that
they
got
the
resources
they
needed
and
the
programming
they
needed
to
eventually
re-enter
back
into
the
general
population,
and
so
it
is
a
position
of
our
office
and
the
justice
reform
and
accountability
alliance
is
statewide
criminal
justice
reform
coalition.
I
I
I'm
gonna
have
mr
de
palma
try
to
explain
the
realities
of
solitary
confinement
to
you,
I'm
available
after
our
presentation
to
answer
any
questions
about
any
specifics
of
the
bill.
I
know
it's
a
big
bill.
I
know
it
pretty
well,
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
of
those
questions,
but
I
will
pass
it
over
now
to
mr
de
palma.
J
Oh
thank
you,
chair
and
committee
members
appreciate
you
allowing
me
to
be
here
today.
My
name
is
frank
de
palma.
This
is
my
first
time
ever
doing
this.
So
please
bear
with
me
I'm
very
nervous
and
I'm
really
afraid,
I'm
afraid,
because
I'm
afraid
I
won't
be
able
to
convey
the
truth
as
I
lived
it
and
experienced
it
and
can
share
it
at
some.
Other
time
is
too
much
but
solitary
confinement.
I
promise
you
is
no
good
in
any
way.
J
I
don't
care
by
what
name
you
call
it:
administrative
segregation,
austere,
housing,
special,
secure
housing,
it's
all
solitary
and
it
all
I'm
one
of
the
few
that
came
back.
I
spent
22
years
and
36
days
in
solitary
confinement,
but
I
believe
it
was
february
2nd
or
3rd
of
1992.
J
J
There
was
no
sense
of
time.
Time
became
non-existent.
I
lived
in
a
blacked
out
cell
a
dark.
There
was
only
one
window,
but
I
had
blacked
that
out
for
years,
because
as
odd
as
this
sounds,
the
darkness
kept
me
hidden,
the
darker,
it
was
the
less
I
could
be
seen
and
the
darkness
became
like
a
blanket
of
protection
to
me.
J
J
That's
not
that
ain't
normal.
You
know
I
got
these
bullet
points
here,
because
I
straight
one
of
the
problems
that
I've
had
since
I've
been
out
of
prison
in
the
last
I've.
It's
been
two
years
I
get
scattered.
I
can't
focus,
I
lose
everything
you
know
and
it's
to
a
degree.
J
J
To
to
process
certain
things,
what
happened
to
that
ability?
I
don't
know,
but
I
can't
get
it
back
and
it
hasn't
gotten
any
better.
Since
I've
been
out
here,
people
behind
me
people
behind
me.
It
just
puts
me
on
edge.
I
have
to
sit.
If
I
go
to
a
restaurant,
I
have
to
sit
in
an
area
where
my
back
is
against
the
wall
that
hasn't
gotten
any
better.
J
J
There's
something
in
me.
That's
different.
You
know
I
spent
a
total
of
you
know.
40
42
years,
9
months
and
15
days
in
prison,
I
went
in
with
a
10
year
sentence.
I
was
just
a
normal
kid
got
in
trouble.
J
You
know
my
dog
got
killed
and
I
acted
on
an
emotional
moment,
but
the
hug
was
my
best
friend
this
guy
killed
my
dog
and
I
drove
a
truck
through
his
house,
his
truck,
and
that
got
me
several
charges,
and-
and
so
I
ended
up
having
a
10-year
sentence
in
nevada
state
prison.
This
is
in
1975..
J
I
got
10
years
for
grand
larceny.
I
only
had
to
serve
two
and
a
half
years.
I
had
already
served
one
year.
I
had
three
fights,
you
know,
that's
gonna
happen,
I
don't
care
who
you
are
and
I
had
established
myself
as
being
just
you
know,
a
regular
guy.
I
was
low
profile.
I
stood
up
for
myself,
I'm
minding
my
own
business.
J
Well,
one
year
after
I'd
been
there,
I
was
asked
to
join
the
area
warriors
prison
gang
by
the
founder
himself,
and
I
said
no
thank
you.
Well.
He
is
a
true
narcissist
for
me
to
say
no
to
him.
You
know
anyway,
the
word
went
out,
I'm
on
my
own.
No
one's
supposed
to
help
me
one
night,
which
is,
I
think
it
was
to
the
day
one
month
after
I
said
no
to
pat
mckennaman
now
mind
you.
J
I've
been
in
that
prison
a
year
already,
one
month
to
the
day,
four
individuals
of
another
gang
came
in
to
the
cell
that
I
lived
in
and
the
cells
were
very,
very
small.
You
can
almost
touch
them
with
both
hands,
both
walls
and
they
tried
to
turn
me
into.
They
tried
to
raid
me,
that's
what
they
tried
to
do
and
I
hope
you'll
all
agree
that
I
had
every
right
to
not
let
that
happen,
and
I
made
sure
that
didn't
happen.
J
I
heard
two
guys:
one
of
them
happened
to
be
second
in
command
of
the
black
gang
there's
a
term
green
light
when
you're
green
lighted.
That
means
you're
gonna
get
killed
and
there
was
a
hit
out
on
me.
I
was
green-lighted,
nobody
was
helping
me
and.
J
Things
months
later,
when,
let's
see.
J
J
J
J
So
then,
I'm
gonna
fast
forward
to
1992
is
when
I'm
sure
you're
all
aware
during
the
late
80s
and
90s
desert,
an
explosion
of
new
gangs,
guys
breaking
off
from
each
other
and
and
the
prison
administration
was
afraid
that
there,
we
old
timers
that
had
a
history
were
going
to
come
out
and
end
up
killing
some
of
these.
These
youngsters.
Well,
it
was
the
complete
opposite,
there's
a
code,
they
respected
us
and
they
left
us
alone.
J
I'm
sorry,
if
I'm
a
little
shaky
here
and,
like
I
said
one
day,
some
officers
came
to
get
me.
The
cert
team
took
me
up
front.
The
orders
were
all
the
old
timers
were
to
be
locked
up.
It
was
more
convenient
because
there's
a
whole
lot
more
of
these
young
gang
bangers,
I'm
getting
locked
up
for
nothing,
you
know.
So
that's
when
something
happened
to
an
officer
that
I
did
he
lied
on
me.
J
J
I
mean
there's
so
much
I
I
could
tell
you
I
mean,
oh,
my
god,
and
I
think
I
like
the
center,
the
the
center
that
was
speaking.
She
shed
a
light
on
a
lot
of
things,
but
there's
a
whole
lot
more
to
shed
light
on,
but
in
solitary
confinement,
where
I
was
placed,
I
had
absolutely
no
external
stimuli.
No,
my
isolation
was
extreme,
but
all
of
it
connects
to
each
other.
I
lived
in
the
cell
in
empty
cell.
J
For
the
first
year
I
had
no
well,
I
had
no
books,
no
radio,
no
tv,
no
magazines,
not
even
a
bible.
J
J
J
What
happened
to
me
I
lived
in
my
own
head,
I
got
to
know
myself.
I
was
asking
myself
questions
in
the
early
years
of
having
battles
with
the
guards
and
when
they
come
in
to
extract
you,
it's
all
part
of
it,
but
after
I
had
connected
with
myself
what
else
was
there
to
connect
to
nothing?
J
It
got
to
a
point
where
those
fantasies
that
I
lived
in
no
longer
fulfilled
me.
They
couldn't
sustain
me,
my
need
for
for
love,
you
know
I
mean
empty
cells
is
definitely
a
place
where
you
learn
to
live
without
love,
and
no
one
should
have
to
be
that
way.
I
don't
care
who
you
are
be
more.
You
meant
to
put
a
bullet
in
somebody's
head.
It
really
would.
J
And
one
of
the
scariest
things
was
a
part
of
me
was
aware
of
it,
but
apart
I
couldn't
stop
it
because
it
was
just
became
all
so
oppressive
and
suffocating
it's
like
imagine
screaming
in
silence
just
screaming
god.
I
can't
I
can't
convey,
but
finally
it
just
got
quiet.
I
just
I
did.
I
gave
up
I'm
never
getting
out
of
prison.
J
And
I
went
to
and
to
avoid
an
inner
abyss
that.
J
I
wasn't
aware
of
it
as
it
was
happening,
but
when
you're
alone
you're
here,
somebody
call
me
and
you
go
up
to
the
door.
Somebody
call
me
nobody
answers.
Finally,
somebody
says:
hey
nobody
called
you,
then
why
are
you
saying?
Why
are
you
talking
to
me
right
now,
you're
playing
games
with
me
I'll
talk
to
you
another
time
they
got
a
problem
now,
it's
that
fast.
J
J
What
solitary
does
and
how?
Oh,
my
god,
I
before
I
close,
if
you
don't
mind
in
the
1800s
charles
dickens,
toured
the
eastern
state
penitentiary
and
the
solitary
confinement
and
he
wrote
he
wrote
a
letter
and
I'd
like
to
read
it
to
all
of
you
short
one.
He
says.
J
Therefore,
the
more
I
denounce
it
as
a
secret
punishment
which
the
which
is
slumbering
humanity,
is
not
roused
upstate.
This
is
charles
dickens.
He
wrote
this
and
that
touched
me.
I
said
man,
you
know,
and
I
just
want
to
ask
all
of
you
just
what
I
hear.
They've
done
a
lot
of
studies
on
sensory
deprivation
and
I
think
they
need
to
do
some
more
because
I
have
some
a
couple
of
guys
that
I
know
that
have
been
in
prison
for
30
years
and
what
have
you
they?
J
They
have
the
same
kind
of
issues
that
I
have
you
know
they
did
solitary
confinement
too.
J
You
know
they
don't
teach
cultural
awareness
or
racial
awareness,
they
teach
class
warfare
prisons,
let's
face
it,
it
make
they
make
big
money
and
people
like
me
are
the
stock
and
trade,
and
I
understand
capitalism-
hey
I'm
all
for
it,
but
it
will
cost
it
what
cost
to
human
lives,
regardless
of
what
they've
done.
J
J
But
if
we
work
together
enough
to
where
there's
a
trust,
that's
developed
you're,
going
to
trust
what
I
tell
you
you're
not
going
to
think.
Oh
he's
just
you
know,
because
I
am
speaking
from
my
heart
and
I
don't
feel
like
I'm
doing
a
good
job.
I
feel
like
I'm
falling
short,
because
I
want
you
to
understand.
Please
all
of
you
fight
for
this
bill
man.
J
You
know
it's
not
as
complete
as
it
should
be,
but
the
the
goal
is
to
to
abolish
solitary
confinement.
It's
always
forms.
J
What
are
you
going
to
replace
it
with
that's
where
we
got
to
get
together
and
you
know
and
make
it
work?
But
I
promise
you
if
you
allow
certain
inmates
that
have
done
time
and
work
together
with
some
of
these
people
we'll
make
strides
man,
because
I
got
ideas,
I've
got
proposals.
I
got
so
many
ideas
on
what
really
works.
J
J
J
He
said
I'll,
see
you
when
you
get
back,
I
I
dropped
my
box.
I
said
what
you
know
and
this
girl
that
was
there
said,
hey
come
with
me,
so
you
know,
and
in
the
end
I've
been
out
here
two
years.
A
Thank
you,
mr
de
palma,
and
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
as
the
chair
of
this
committee,
to
express
my
my
very
deep
gratitude
for
you
being
here
today.
A
I
think
that
it
is
really,
as
members
of
this
committee,
our
privilege
to
to
get
to
hear
from
you
and
your
experience
is
unimaginable
and
you
didn't
have
to
come
here
and
you
didn't
have
to
talk
to
us,
but
you
chose
to,
and
I
know
that
it
was
scary,
and
I
know
that
it
was
hard
and
there
are
in
the
work
that
we
do.
There
are
a
few
days
that
you
just
will
never
ever
forget,
and
at
least
speaking
for
myself.
A
This
is
one
of
them
hearing
your
story
will
will
never
leave
me,
and
so
I
want
you
to
know
how
much
we
appreciate
you
being
here
and
that
you
did
not
just
a
good
job
but
an
excellent
job,
helping
us
to
understand
something
that
we
can
never
fully
understand.
So
we
appreciate
you
being
here-
and
I
hope
it's
okay,
that
I
speak
on
behalf
of
the
rest
of
my
committee
when
I
say
that
I
believe
we
have
one
more
person
here,
ms
muser,
to
to
provide
some
comments
as.
N
Well,
yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
Can
you
hear
me
whoops?
Are
you
able
to
hear
me?
Okay,
wonderful,
all
righty
great?
Yes,
I
I
just
want
to
I'm
absolutely
stunned
and
deeply
moved
by
everything
that
mr
de
palma
just
shared
and
thank
you.
I
think
he
has
conveyed
something
in
a
way
that
really
no
one
else
can
only
someone
who's
been
through.
This
can
convey
what
it's
really
about,
and
I
think
anyone
not
moved
by
this
there's
really
something
wrong.
N
We
we've
got
to
do
better,
but
anyway
my
name
is
mary
buser
and
I
am
a
former
assistant
chief
of
mental
health
in
the
solitary
confinement
unit
at
new
york
city's
riogers
island,
and
I
would
like
to
tell
you
about
my
experience
in
a
solitary
confinement
unit
and
it
would
be
from
the
perspective
of
a
civilian
mental
health
worker.
N
N
Antidepressants
anti-anxiety
sleeping
pills
antipsychotics
mostly
to
people
who'd,
never
taken
any
of
this
prior
to
solitary-
and
I
remember
asking
myself
what
kind
of
a
punishment
is
this
that
people
need
to
be
medicated
in
order
to
endure
it,
but
it
did
not
end
there
when
these
meds
could
no
longer
hold
a
human
psyche
together,
and
we
were
called
to
a
cell
door.
I
have
to
tell
you
it
was
grim
inside
these
cells
were
makeshift.
N
N
N
In
many
cases
I
discovered
that
solitary
confinement
is
simply
a
convenient
management
tool.
That
is
not
to
say
that
there
are
not
violent
people
inside
these
cells,
but
mounting
evidence
shows
that
placing
them
in
isolation
only
increases
violent
propensities
and,
let's
not
forget
that
most
will
ultimately
be
released
back
to
the
community.
N
A
Thank
you
and
I
was
so
moved.
I
forgot
to
mention
that,
for
the
record
by
serge
canizaro
has
joined
us
he's
forward
to
reflect
that
she's
present
and
at
this
point
in
time
senator
spearman
had
to
go.
But
we
do
still
have
mr
chipak
here
to
answer
any
technical
and
policy
questions
about
the
bill
and
I
will
open
it
up
for
questions
from
the
committee.
Now.
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
thank
you
to
mr
de
palma,
mr
sheep,
ms
buser
and
senator
spearman
for
bringing
this
bill.
No
there's
a
an
old
quote
of
the
author
dostoevsky
that
says:
if
you
want
to
judge
a
society
and
judge
how
civilized
it
is,
we'll
walk
into
one
of
its
prisons
and
look
at
conditions
and
how
people
are
treated,
and
I
think
that's
certainly
we
can
hear
today
how
true
that
is
my
question
about
the
bill.
K
The
proposed
regulations
on
solitary
confinement
to
be
approved
by
the
board
of
prison
commissioners.
Are
there
no
regulations
currently
in
place
at
nevada
department
of
corrections
in
terms
of
how
long
someone
can
be
kept
in
solitary
confinement,
whether
there's
review
of
of
why
they're
there
and
what?
How
they're
doing
there.
I
Thank
you
for
the
questions,
senator
orrinshall
and
nick
chipak
for
the
record.
The
department
does
have
internal
regulations
around
things
such
as
disciplinary
segregation,
so
they
do
have
right
now
they
have
up
to
a
year.
Somebody
can
spend
they
allow
them
to
make
good
time
credits.
However,
there
are
no
regulations
limiting
what
they
call
ad
sag,
which
is
essentially
the
same
thing
in
solitary
confinement.
You
may
have
access
to
a
few
more
items,
maybe
a
radio
something
you
would
not
have
in
the
other
cell.
I
But
it's
still
right
now
in
the
department
of
corrections
they
get
five
hours
out
of
sell
time
a
week
is
the
average
and
so
not
even
an
hour
a
day
and
people
can
be
an
ad
set
for
years.
Things
have
changed
since
mr.
I
But
that
was
2018
when
yeah
he
was
released,
so
people
can
be
held
in
administrative
segregation
indefinitely,
and
that
is
one
thing
we're
looking
to
change
here,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
bill
does
to
help
with
this.
What
veer
recommended
is
that
there
are
individuals,
especially
in
ad
set,
who
are
able
to
congregate
together
right
and
those
individuals
should
be
have
out
of
sell
time
together.
This
would
increase
the
ability
to
have
more
people
out
of
self
more
often,
but
to
your
question
directly.
A
Each
person
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and,
as
always,
you're
also
welcome
to
just
say
that
you
with
somebody
who
testified
previously
broadcast.
If
you
could,
please
get
us
our
first
person
to
testify
and
support.
H
P
Good
afternoon,
thank
you
for
for
your
time
and
your
opportunity
opportunity
to
speak
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
denise
bolanos
s
e
d-e-n-I-s-e-b,
o
l,
a
n
o
s,
and
today
I
am
speaking
in
representation
of
return
strong
in
support
of
sc
187.
P
In
an
already
stressful
and
chaotic
environment,
rates
of
suicide
and
self-harm
are
higher
among
incarcerated
persons,
who
are
in
solitary
confinement
compared
to
that
of
the
general
prison
population
and
the
psychiatric
effects
of
this
form
of
torture.
Can
last
a
lifetime
khalif
browder
spent
three
years
in
jail
because
his
family
could
not
afford
bail
after
being
arrested
in
2010
at
the
age
of
16
for
a
crime
he
did
not
commit,
which
was
an
injustice
on
its
own.
P
But
then
during
his
imprisonment
he
spent
two
years
in
solitary
confinement
where
he
was
starved,
denied
showers
and
beaten.
He
was
finally
released
from
prison
when
charges
against
him
were
dropped,
and
two
years
later,
he
committed
suicide
by
hanging
himself
in
his
parents,
home
after
multiple
suicide
attempts,
while
in
prison
and
after
his
release.
P
H
Q
Q
The
true
measure
of
our
character
is
how
we
treat
the
poor,
the
disabled,
the
accused,
the
incarcerated
and
the
condemned,
as
brian
stevenson
said,
and
I
believe
that
this
bill
will
allow
our
state
to
ensure
that
we
are
treating
prisoners
to
manly.
Prisoners
are
people
who
deserve
to
be
treated
humanely,
as
we
learned
during
the
last
legislative
session
from
the
crime
and
justice
institute
when
they
took
a
look
at
our
prison
population.
Q
Q
Q
It's
simply
inhumane
and
unfortunately,
we've
known
that
for
for
several
decades
back
in
1890,
the
united
supreme
court
has
stated
in
the
case
in
re,
medley,
m-e-d-l-e-y
and
the
citation
for
that
is
134
u.s
160
at
page
168,
where
it
describes
the
effects
of
solitary
confinement
and
how
we
knew
even
way
back
then
that
those
who
had
no
prior
history
of
mental
illness
suffer
from
damaging
effects
which
include
their
own
deaths,
but,
more
importantly,
that
even
if
they
are
able
to
be
released
from
prison,
they
still
have
those
impacts
which
you
heard
today.
Q
I
am
so
grateful
that
mr
de
palma
was
able
to
testify
as
to
why
this
bill
is
necessary
to
protect
our
citizens
in
prison.
With
this
bill,
you
can
protect
that
young
19
year
old,
who
is
just
trying
to
serve
his
time
and
get
back
out
safely
and
return
to
society.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention
today.
H
P
P
P
P
He
isn't
someone
usually
prone
to
mental
health
issues.
He's
never
had
that
history,
but
while
he
was
there,
he
said
the
depression
was
so
severe
that
he
began
to
contemplate
killing
himself
and
actually
actively
began
making
a
plan
to
do
it,
he's
normally
a
social
person
and
has
very
strong
ties
to
his
family,
who
is
from
mexico.
P
His
interaction
with
them
has
always
been
a
consistent
part
of
his
life,
but
in
the
whole,
not
only
are
your
movements
restricted
to
23
hours
in
the
cell
and
one
hour
out,
but
there
are
all
types
of
other
things
that
are
restricted
phone
calls
being
one
of
them.
In
the
whole,
he
got
one
fifteen
minute
call
a
week
if
they
gave
him
the
phone.
Maintaining
relationships
with
his
family
and
his
boys,
who
were
11
and
7
at
the
time,
became
impossible.
P
H
L
Hi,
jim
hoffman
nevada
attorneys
for
criminal
justice.
Nacj
supports
sb-187,
as
mr
de
palma
said
so
powerfully,
solitary
confinement
is
torture.
Solitary
confinement
leads
to
severe
mental
health
problems
in
one
study
of
the
new
york
city
jail
system.
The
seven
percent
of
inmates
who
were
in
solitary
confinement
accounted
for
50.
That's
five:
zero
percent
of
suicide
attempts.
L
L
L
Solitary
confinement
is
not
a
practice
that
makes
either
prisons
or
society
as
a
whole
safer.
The
bill
today
does
not
actually
end
the
practice,
but
it
places
substantial
limits
on
its
views.
While
nacj
believes
that
we
must
go
further,
half
a
loaf
is
better
than
none,
and
so
we
support
sb
187
as
a
good
first
step.
Thank
you.
H
E
Good
afternoon,
madam
chairman,
thank
you
and
committee.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
My
name
is
tina.
Megason
m-e-g-a-s-o-n
and
I
am
speaking
in
favor
of
sb
187
and
return
strong.
Imagine
for
a
moment
that
you
have
bipolar
depression,
drug
addiction
and
a
history
of
trauma,
including
confinement.
E
You
are
now
criminal
for
these
reasons,
suddenly
you're
being
taken
away
after
being
falsely
accused
of
a
horrible
crime,
others
around
are
telling
authorities
that
you
didn't
do
this
thing.
Nevertheless,
you
were
taken
and
transported
to
another
location
and
placed
in
solitary
confinement
over
the
next
four
days.
You
ask
every
co
your
only
contact
for
basic
items,
you're
ignored
you're,
allowed
to
shower
only
one
time
during
this
period,
and
all
you
have
is
a
cow.
E
After
all
these
this
time
on
day,
four
you're,
now
not
only
asking
you're
now
begging
for
clean
clothes,
hygiene
products
and
something
as
basic
as
a
spoon
to
eat
with,
have
you
ever
eaten
oatmeal
with
your
fingers
it's
humiliating
at
best,
but
on
day
four
you
get
lucky
a
compassionate
new
co
brings
you
the
spoon.
God
bless
her.
E
A
family
member
has
to
call
the
ig's
office
to
see
why
you
are
being
treated
less
than
a
human
being
within
two
days
of
the
call.
Thank
god
you
are
put
in
a
less
restrictive
unit,
but
you
were
terrified,
not
scared,
terrified,
because
this
exact
thing
had
happened
to
you
before,
but
you
spent
three
months
in
voluntary
waiting
for
it
to
be
investigated
and
resolved
and
by
the
way
you
were
cleared
of
that
it
was
all
for
nothing.
E
E
H
M
Ashley
white
a-s-h-l-e-y
w-h-I-t
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
ashley
and
I'm
here
in
support
of
sb
187,
I
currently
reside
in
senate
district
10..
I
believe
this
bill
needs
to
be
passed
so
that
I
can
so
that
it
can
stop
damaging
families
and
relationships
that
children
have
and
establish
with
their
parents.
M
Children
and
families
create
bonds
and
get
dependable
on
going
and
visiting
with
their
parents
and
as
a
family,
and
then
solitary
happens,
and
now
the
families
must
experience
separation,
depression,
anxiety
and
fear.
I
personally
have
seen
it
myself
with
my
six-year-old
daughter,
as
she
got
very
close
to
her
father
and
looked
forward
and
was
excited
to
go,
see
daddy
every
weekend.
M
Now
I
have
to
see
her
sad
and
say
how
much
she
misses
daddy
and
wishes.
He
was
here
some
night.
She
lays
next
to
me
and
cries
herself
to
sleep,
and
all
I
can
say
is
I
miss
all
she
can
say.
Is
I
miss
daddy?
I
just
want
to
see
him.
I
hope
he's
safe.
I
want
him
home.
All
I
can
do
is
hold
her
as
she's
crying
and
try
to
stay
strong
and
not
cry
myself.
Our
relationship
even
got
closer
and
our
bond
got
stronger
through
visits
every
weekend.
M
He
has
gone
through
severe
depression
anxiety
what
she
already
had,
but
it
has
caused
him
to
have
to
take
even
more
medication
just
to
feel
okay.
Constant
consequences
should
not
be
punished
with
family
separation
being
being
estranged
from
a
parent
or
loved
one
is
extremely
hard
and
takes
a
huge
toll
on
you
mentally
physically
and
emotionally,
and
it's
not
healthy
to
anyone
involved.
So
I
ask
that
you
please
say
yes
and
get
sb
187
passed,
so
we
can
stop
tearing
families
apart
more
than
they
already
are.
H
E
Begin
hello,
my
name
is
jody
hawking
h-o-c-k-I-n-g,
and
I
am
here
today
in
support
of
sb-187.
E
I
do
have
a
loved
one,
that's
incarcerated,
who
has
spent
over
14
years
in
solitary
confinement,
but
today
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
talk
about
someone,
that's
important
to
me,
a
man
whose
name
is
terry
clark
he's
in
medical
isolation
at
nncc.
Terry
is
one
of
our
members
of
return
strong
and
he's
terminally
ill.
He
has
stage
four
cancer
and
it's
been
denied
compassionate
release.
He
probably
won't
make
it
to
a
pardons
board.
E
I
know
today
is
about
banning
the
box
and
about
solitary
confinement.
So
let
me
connect
those
dots
for
you.
Gary's
been
in
medical
isolation
at
ncc
due
to
the
complex
array
of
issues
that
his
diagnosis
causes
and
isolation.
He
can't
get
a
food
package
or
order
store
to
accommodate
his
dietary
needs,
which
are
significant
while
undergoing
treatment
for
cancer
and
pain
medications
for
his
broken
ribs
that
came
as
a
result
of
the
tumors.
E
He
can't
buy
batteries
for
an
mp3
player
in
order
to
listen
to
music
or
provide
solos
for
him.
During
this
time
he
has
very
limited
use
of
the
phone
to
be
able
to
talk
about
his
needs
with
his
family
or
get
any
help
with
his
compassionate
release.
Applications
he's
had
virtually
no
human
contact
over
the
past
year.
No
mental,
physical,
spiritual
or
social
interaction
he's
been
forced
to
slowly
die
in
pain
and
isolation.
E
H
M
I
want
to
echo
the
testimony
of
those
who
so
eloquently
spoke
before
me.
Solitary
confinement
has
enormous
impact
on
mental
health,
making
it
even
more
difficult
for
individuals
to
adjust
to
reentry.
We
have
to
ensure
that
we
do
not
misuse
solitary
confinement
and
only
use
the
practice
of
the
last
resort.
M
H
R
Hello:
everyone,
my
name
is
jamila
lewis,
that
is
spelled
j-a-m-e-e-l-a-h
last
name
louis
l-e-w-I-s.
Thank
you
all
for
having
me
again
here
today.
I
do
need
to
be
very
transparent
and
let
you
all
know
that
everything
that
I
say
is
a
reflection
of
my
own
thoughts
and
opinions
and
does
not
reflect
that
of
the
agency.
I
work
for
now.
R
R
As
someone
mentioned,
ad
seg
is
used
for
a
various
amount
of
things
for
people
who
identify
as
trans,
but
also
for
people
who
are
going
through
an
investigation
regarding
sexual
violence
oftentimes.
R
What
is
supposed
to
happen
according
to
the
priya
standards,
is
that
the
person
who
has
done
the
harm
is
put
into
solitary
confinement,
while
the
investigation
is
happening
which
is
supposed
to
happen
within
30
days,
but
oftentimes,
because
some
of
the
most
vulnerable
people
who
are
going
to
be
violated
due
to
sexual
violence
is
also
people
who
identify
as
trans,
which
means
that
my
trans
clients
are
often
often
admitted
are
sent
to
adsec
and
because
that
they're
sent
to
adsense,
they
usually
have
a
host
of
things,
feeling
feelings
of
depression,
suicidal
ideation
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
R
It
does
mention
voluntary
and
unvoluntary
segregation,
but
it
doesn't
say
what
the
time
limit
is
for
that
and
I'd
like
that
to
be
addressed
in
the
future,
because
if
we're
going
to
send
people
there,
unvoluntary
or
voluntary,
there
needs
to
be
a
time
limit
and
a
reason
and
a
justification
to
why,
as
well
as
in
section
13,
paragraph
5a,
it
does
mention
that
if
someone
wants
to
get
their
belongings
and
access
to
their
personal
belongings
again,
they
would
have
to
submit
a
kite
or
a
request
to
the
warden.
R
But
it
does
not
mention
when
the
warden
will
have
to
see
that
request
and
when
that
will
be
processed
specifically
again,
for
my
clients,
who
are
trans,
they're,
often
separated
from
their
belongings,
meaning
their
underwear,
access
to
lipstick,
hair
care
products,
soap,
hygiene
and
so
on.
So
I
would
like
to
see
that
be
expanded
on
in
this
stuff.
But
I
do
thank
you
all
for
hearing
me
and
again.
I
do
support
this,
though,
have
a
nice
day.
H
H
H
D
And
my
loved
one
is
incarcerated
at
ndoc.
We
also
had
a
close
friend
that
spent
a
year
in
solitary
confinement
a
few
years
ago.
Today.
I
want
to
share
his
story
prior
to
my
husband's
incarceration.
I
really
believe
that
solitary
confinement
was
for
serious,
violent
behavior
that
couldn't
be
addressed
any
other
way.
I
guess
I
thought
it
was
like
for
hannibal
lecter.
You
know
the
extreme
need
for
safety.
D
H
I
I'm
sorry,
madam
chair,
it
looks
like
that
collar
dropped
off.
I
will
continue.
H
B
Yes,
this
is
mercedes:
maharas
m-e-r-c-e-d,
yes,
m-a-h-a-r-I-s,
las
vegas
nevada,
I'm
a
member
of
the
nevada,
silver-haired
legislative
forum,
senate
district
3,
central
las
vegas,
I'm
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
forum.
However,
I'm
speaking
independently-
and
I
am
a
nevada
chaplain,
I'm
here
to
support
sb
187.
B
First,
I
spent
about
15
minutes
in
a
visit
to
unit
8
sdcc
southern
desert
correctional
center
in
about
2001,
my
heart
still
palpitates,
and
I
think
about
that
time,
and
to
this
day
I've
been
speaking
out
on
behalf
of
all
those
who
suffer,
especially
in
solitary
confinement
in
our
nevada
prisons.
I
I
support
this
bill,
but
with
changes
first
as
a
background
in
education,
I
knew
immediately
that
this
is
a
faulty
social
system
that
we're
dealing
with
from
day,
one
in
in
criminal
justice
and
in
the
prison
system.
B
B
We
need
to
make
penalties
in
this
bill.
I
don't
see
any
penalties
for
prison
personnel,
not
enforcing
the
law
which
sb
402,
I'm
the
office
manager
for
the
former
senator
segerbloom
and
the
past
year,
we've
seen
a
quite
a
number
of
letters
coming
from
those
in
unit
8
stcc.
I
guess
I've
come
full
circle
there.
They
have
disrespected
in
their
letters,
which
I
can
send
you
if
it's
not
too
late,
sb
402
due
processes.
B
A
You're
a
little
bit
past
two
minutes
of
testimony
if
you
could
wrap
it
up
and
certainly
feel
free
to
send
us
any
other
additional
documentation
or
written
testimony.
You
would
like
to
provide.
B
Okay,
the
other
thing,
the
other
is
that
I
can't
support
30
days
in
no
way
shape
or
form,
because
it's
all.
H
O
T-A-M-I-I-R-V-I-N-E,
I
am
from
district
3.,
I
am
here
in
support
of
sb
187.
I
have
a
loved
one
who
is
incarcerated
at
the
ndoc
and
during
his
incarceration
I
have
really
began
to
see
and
understand
the
ripple
effect
prison
has
on
families
and
communities.
He
has
never
been
in
trouble
while
incarcerated,
but
over
the
past
year
covet
has
been
destructive
force
on
our
family.
It
has
given
me
a
new
understanding
of
how
much
pain
isolation
causes
while
in
quarantine
and
isolation
mean
one
thing
in
the
free
world.
O
It
means
something
else
for
incarcerated
people
for
them.
It
means
further
disconnect
from
all
human
contact.
People
in
prison
are
spending
months
in
quarantine
and
lockdown,
which
have
been
severe
forms
of
isolation.
Beyond
solitary
confinement.
They
are
losing
contacts
with
family,
often
having
30
minutes
every
72
hours
to
make
food
call
family
and
take
a
shower.
O
They
have
lost
their
freedom
of
movement,
they
are
not
at
a
home
with
their
families.
They
are
isolated
in
a
6x10
cell
sharing
with
one
other
person,
even
though
they
are
not
in
the
whole.
For
disciplinary
reasons,
the
impact
is
the
same,
but
maybe
worse,
the
trauma
associated
with
the
degree
of
isolation
doesn't
go
away
once
the
door
is
open
and
they
walk
into
the
free
world.
The
impact
of
solitary
confinement
will
bleed
into
our
communities
and
society.
O
If
we
continue
barbaric
practices
and
dehumanizing
people,
we
will
continue
to
pay
the
price
individually
and
throughout
society
we
have
to
do
better
than
this.
Prison
is
supposed
to
be
rehabilitate
for
them
to
have
rehabilitation
and
not
torture.
I
am
in
support
of
fb187
and
the
changes
it
proposes
to
solitary
confinement.
Thank
you.
H
C
Why
I
think
solitaire
compliant
man
is
wrong
back
in
2006,
when
I
went
to
prison,
I
went
to
and
I
slang
for,
solitary
confinement.
I
went
to
the
hall
and
for
a
murder
that
I
didn't
commit
on
the
yard
and
what
it
does
to
you
is
it
deprives
you
of
the
available
senses.
It
deprives
your
senses,
you
know
it
takes
away
from
your
senses
and
it
doesn't
let
you
feel
it
doesn't.
Let
you
see
you
know
it
doesn't.
Let
you
think
correctly.
C
You
lose
track
of
time.
You
know
I
would
here
it
was
may,
and
I
didn't
even
know
my
birthday
had
passed.
My
birthday
was
in
february,
so
what
it
does
is
it?
It
breaks
you
down
in
a
way
that
when
it's
unimaginable
you
start
laughing
at
your
own
jokes,
and
you
know
you
start
feeling
like
you're,
going
crazy
and
taking
that
away
and
making
it
with
something
different
would
be
a
lot
more
helpful.
You
know
I
went
to
the
hall
for
something
I
didn't
do.
C
C
There's
there's
no
way
you
know
so
I
am
against
this
and
hopefully
we
we
can
pass
this
bill.
We
see
better
things
in
the
future
for
the
in
for
these
inmates.
Thank
you
have
a
good
day.
H
D
Hello
again,
my
name
is
nicole
williams,
w-I-l-l-I-a-m-s
and
my
loved
one
is
incarcerated
at
ndoc.
We
also
had
a
close
friend
that
spent
a
year
in
solitary
confinement
a
few
years
ago.
Today.
I
want
to
share
a
story
prior
to
my
husband's
incarceration.
I
really
believe
that
solitary
confinement
was
for
serious,
violent
behavior
that
couldn't
be
addressed
any
other
way.
Unfortunately,
I've
learned
the
hard
way
that
isn't
the
truth.
Our
friend
was
at
camp
in
2016
and
was
accused
of
selling
contraband
cigarettes.
D
He
was
immediately
moved
from
camp
to
one
of
the
prisons
and
put
in
solitary
confinement
under
investigation.
Ultimately,
he
spent
just
under
a
year
in
the
hole
and
then
the
charges
were
dropped
and
he
was
moved
to
general
population
during
the
time
he
was
in
the
hole
waiting
for
the
investigation
to
finalize.
He
was
not
allowed
to
purchase
additional
food,
and
the
food
provided
often
made
him
sick
due
to
dietary
issues
and
a
child,
and
a
childhood
ulcer
that
severely
limited
what
he
could
eat.
D
Without
access
to
purchasing
his
own
food,
he
began
losing
weight
and
lost
60
pounds.
His
mental
health
gradually
deteriorated.
He
started
hallucinating
and
having
visions
of
people
that
had
passed
away
over
the
years,
specifically
a
best
friend
who
died
in
prison
from
a
bleeding
disorder.
He
believed
that
his
friend
was
speaking
to
him
and
warning
him
of
a
plot
to
kill
him.
He
would
call
us
and
beg
to
help
him,
yet
he
never
received
any
treatment
or
help
at
ndoc.
D
Somehow
his
mental
health
screenings
never
identified
an
issue.
He
is
home
now
and
has
never
been
the
same.
He's
paranoid
anxiety
have
made
it
impossible
for
him
to
function
properly
in
society.
He
now
lives
on
the
streets
is
homeless
and
has
addiction
issues.
None
of
these
things
existed
before
he
spent
that
year.
In
solitary,
he
was
always
someone
who
deeply
needed
contact
with
his
family
and
friends
to
keep
him
balanced.
While
he
was
incarcerated.
D
Prior
to
solitary,
he
talked
to
his
young
daughter
every
night,
helping
teaching
her
to
read
from
behind
bars.
Once
in
solitary,
he
had
one
15-minute
call
a
week
to
try
to
manage
all
the
relationships
in
his
life.
That
year
came
at
a
critical
point
that
damaged
a
relationship
in
ways
that
have
never
been
able
to
heal
she's,
now
a
troubled
teen,
making
destructive
choices
and
he's
homeless
and
addicted
to
drugs.
This
was
a
person
with
every
hope
of
a
life
after
prison
destroyed
by
solitary
confinement.
D
I
watched
a
documentary
on
pbs
about
solitary
and
a
quote
hit
me
so
hard.
It
said
you
cannot
conduct
yourself
as
a
human
being
when
they
treat
you
like.
An
animal.
Solitary
confinement
creates
monsters
and
they
drop
you
into
a
society
and
say:
go
ahead,
be
a
good
boy.
If
we
want
results,
we
need
to
change
what
we
put
in.
I
am
in
support
of
fb187.
H
O
Good
afternoon
everyone,
my
name-
is
ayanna,
first
name,
a
y,
a
n
n,
a
last
name:
simmons
oglesby,
the
latter
o
g
l
e
s
b
y,
and
I'm
calling
today
because
I
too
am
in
support
of
sb187
with
all
the
horrible
stories
my
brother
did
14
years
in
ely
four
years
in
the
hole
in
I
have
letters
from
this
man
he
talks
about.
He
was
there
when
marilyn
monroe
was
murdered.
O
He
was
in
the
car
behind
president
kennedy
when
he
was
assassinated.
Our
second
grade
teacher
is
our
real
biological
mother.
I'm
getting
overwhelmed
now,
just
thinking
about
it,
because
it's
disturbing
zachary
simmons
is
his
name
and
he
was
destroyed
in
that
institution
and
he
was
a
fine
man
prior
to
prison.
O
O
That's
a
criminal
act
in
our
state,
but
yet
we
treat
our
humans
like
this.
Now
they
create
the
monsters,
they
don't
have
a
plan
to
treat
and
help.
The
mental
health
crisis
is
skyrocketed,
unprecedented
everyone,
that's
taken
an
oath.
You
have
a
moral
obligation
to
help
our
brothers
and
sisters.
Again,
we
are
nevada,
strong.
We
are
battle
born.
We
have
the
resources
because
our
population
isn't
like
new
york
in
all
the
bigger
places.
O
H
H
M
M
I
am
not
a
professional
in
prison
or
jail,
but
the
more
I
learn
the
more.
I
know
that
something
has
to
be
done,
so
many
people
told
their
stories
of
how
their
loved
ones
have
been
impacted
by
solitary
reconfinement
and
now
that
our
family
is
also
impacted.
I
have
started
to
read
and
learn
about
the
things
people
go
through
in
solitary
confinement.
M
They
go
to
solitary
for
being
belligerent
or
argumentative.
They
have
gone
to
solitary
for
not
wearing
a
mask
during
covet.
They
go
to
solitary
for
suspicion
and
while
under
investigation,
even
if
it
ends
up
being
untrue,
they
go
to
solitary
for
having
contraband,
which
could
be
anything
a
cigarette.
A
dollar
bill
a
banned
book
too
many
stamps
an
extra
pair
of
shoes,
a
new
tattoo,
certain
color
pen.
They
go
to
solitary
confinement
if
they
refuse
anything
like
a
bad
move.
People
went
to
solitary
for
refusing
to
take
over
tests.
M
You
can
go
to
solitary
for
getting
caught
in
door
openings
or
closing
at
door
calls
then,
once
they
are
in
solitary
confinement,
they
can't
order
food
and
the
ndoc
does
not
provide
enough
for
a
for
a
full
grown
adult.
I
re.
I
read
a
letter
from
a
member
of
return,
strong
who
said
hunger
is
the
norm
and
dlc
they
are
always
hungry.
So
now,
on
top
of
being
in
solitary,
they
can't
get
any
additional
food.
They
can't
have
most
of
their
personal
belongings.
M
M
H
A
Thank
you
so
much
so,
just
to
clarify
for
the
record.
You've
indicated
that
we
have
taken
testimony
from
every
single
person
who
called
in
to
speak
in
support
of
sb
187.
At
this
time
we
will
move
on
to
testimony
in
opposition
to
sb
187.
H
H
Queue
manager
there
are
no
callers
indicating
they
wish
to
to
testify
in
opposition
of
the
bill.
H
H
S
S
Many
of
the
problems
being
discussed
today
were
already
remedied
following
the
changes
made
in
the
department
starting
in
2017.
But
further
progress
can
be
made,
can
always
be
made
and
be
implemented
if
the
legislature
supports
it.
I
thank
senator
spearman
and
former
nevada
department
of
corrections
director
zarenda,
for
leading
the
changes
in
2017
that
improved
our
department
as
a
whole
in
ely
state
prison,
in
particular.
S
At
the
same
time,
however,
it
led
to
an
increase
of
offender
on
offender
violence
by
371
percent
hospital
transports
by
over
a
hundred
percent
and
life
flights.
By
over
sixty
percent
senate
bill.
187
asked
us
to
more
than
double
the
out
of
sell
time
for
solitary
confinement
inmates,
an
expanded
definition
which
includes
approximately
one-third
of
the
non-segregation
inmates
at
ely
state
prison
who
are
afforded
group
open
tier
operations
for
slightly
less
than
two
hours
per
day.
S
Given
our
decades-old
construction,
which
was
designed
only
to
support
one
hour
of
out-of-sale
time
for
segregation
inmate
per
day
that
is
not
safely
possible.
Without
investment
in
physical
plant
improvements,
additional
officers
and
training,
I
only
ask
for
the
resources
to
implement
such
improvements
safely.
Thank
you.
H
C
Hi,
my
name
is
brian
e
williams:
senior
will
iams
deputy
director
of
operations,
nevada
department,
corrections
good
afternoon,
chair
in
the
state
judiciary
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
share
this.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
share
the
history
of
ndoc
segregation
housing
as
it
relates
to
senate
bill.
187
doing
this
testimony
is
not
my
intent
to
oppose
or
support
sb
187,
but
more
so
give
the
history
and
steps
ndot
has
taken
over
the
four
or
five
years,
an
effective
reduction
of
segregated
housing
and
confinement
setting.
C
I
hope
during
this
testimony
we
can
discrim
demonstrate
our
proactive
approach
in
dealing
with
segregated
housing
and
the
multiple
challenges
we
face
in
implementation
of
our
reduced,
segregated
housing
as
it
relates
to
sb
187
the
bmu
unit.
This
was
created
back
in
2017,
which
provides
services
to
inmates
who
have
been
identified
as
needing
to
develop
skills
to
allow
for
placement
and
non-segregation
housing
following
time
and
segregation,
including
interpersonal
skills,
hygiene
basic
daily
living,
decreased
victimization,
education,
anger
management,
adaptation
to
institutional
environment
and
compliance
with
institutional
rules
and
regulations.
C
C
We
did
it
our
own
when
our
former
director
was
here
smi
unit
as
far
as
mentally
ill
inmates,
the
department
no
longer
incarcerates
inmates
with
serious
mental
illnesses
outside
the
designated
mental
health
units
on
an
inpatient
basis
or
a
structured
care
unit
on
an
outpatient
basis
or
assigned
disciplinary
sanctions
to
any
inmate
affected
by
mental
health
concerns
without
first
consulting
a
mental
health.
Professional
inmates
with
mild
to
moderate
mental
or
behavioral
health
conditions
are
monitored
and
treated
as
necessary
by
mental
health
professionals
assigned
to
each
institution
as
it
relates
to
senate
bill
187.
C
I
would
also
mention
that
we
have
no
issues
with
the
new
reporting
requirements,
but
we
neither
have
enough
mental
health,
professional
security
staff
or
administrative
staff
to
meet
the
requirements
of
this
bill.
Also,
our
director
charles
daniel,
is
deeply
committed
to
ensuring
utilization
of
seg
as
the
last
resort
measure.
C
H
T
E
Vice
chair,
sorry,
majority
leader,
is
there
any
way
to
have
the
previous
caller,
or
some
of
these
people
have
testified?
I'd
actually
like
to
know
from
someone
what
the
percentage
of
people
is
that
are
put
into
solitary
confinement
and
what
they
were
put
into
solitary
confinement
for.
Is
there
any
way
to
get
that
information
from
one
of
the?
I
was
trying
to
catch
the
previous
caller
from
the
division,
but
I
couldn't
do
that.
T
I
think
one
will
make
sure
that
we
reach
out
to
the
division
so
that
or
to
the
department
of
corrections
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
some
of
those
numbers
and
disperse
that
out
to
the
committee.
So
we
will
make
sure
to
get
all
of
that
information,
because
I
do
think
that
would
be
useful.
And
obviously,
if
we've
got
other
folks
on
the
line
who
are
in
neutral,
who
may
have
that
information
readily
available,
we
would
ask
for
them
to
state
that
for
the
record.
Just
so
we
we
have
it.
T
Absolutely
broadcast
we
can
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
the
next
caller
and
just
let
the
committee
members
know
to
be
aware
that
we'll
get
them.
H
C
Mental
health
services
is
active
in
all
the
phases
of
the
inmates
incarceration
beginning,
especially
at
the
intake
phase.
So
as
an
intake,
we
identify
any
mental
health
needs.
We
also
do
risk
assessments
to
make
sure
that
we
know
what
the
chances
of
the
inmates
recive
might
be
as
a
part
of
our
services.
We
provide
mental
health
services
in
addition
to
programs
helping
with
re-entry
processes.
C
C
H
H
H
Madam
chair
seems
this
person
is
not
unmuting.
I
apologize.
We
are
currently
taking
testimony
for
neutral
position
on
sb187.
C
Okay,
I'm
going
to
try
again.
This
is
harold
wickham
w-I-c-k-h-a-m,
I'm
also
with
the
nevada
department
of
corrections,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
this
committee
for
their
time
and
diligence
on
this
all-too-important
bill,
and
I
would
just
like
to
echo
the
concerns
of
my
constituents
that
we
would
love
to
be
able
to
accomplish
these
things
with
the
proper
resources.
I
think
that
we
would
be
able
to
do
a
great
service
to
the
state.
Again.
I
just
echo
the
concerns
of
my
constituents.
Thank
you.
T
Okay,
great,
we
will
then
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
on
senate
bill
187
and
thank
everyone
who
has
been
with
us
today
for
the
testimony
and
presentation.
At
this
point
in
time.
We
will
move
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
public
comment,
and
we
will
turn
that
back
over
to
our
awesome
staff
over
at
broadcast
to
facilitate
with
public
comment.
H
H
T
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
We
will
close
public
comments
then,
and
thank
all
of
the
committee
members
for
being
here
on
a
friday
afternoon.
That
concludes
our
business
for
the
day
today
and
we
will
see
everybody
back
monday
at
1
pm.
This
meeting
is
adjourned
thanks.