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A
A
A
Josh
hybal-
I
am
also
here.
Thank
you
so
much
all
right.
We
have
four
bills
on
our
agenda
today.
It
is
deadline
week,
but
you
guys
already
know
that.
So
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
brevity
is
a
virtue,
I'm
not
sure
who
said
it,
but
I'm
saying
it
now,
and
so
you
guys
will
all
have
time
to
present.
The
community
will
have
time
to
ask
questions
and
then
we'll
go
into
testimony.
First
people
in
person,
then
people
via
zoom
each
person
giving
testimony
will
have
two
minutes.
A
We
will
have
public
comment
at
the
end
and
during
your
two
minutes
of
testimony,
if
other
people
have
already
said
what
you
want
to
say,
please
please
feel
free,
empowered,
even
to
say
me
to
ditto,
I
agree
and
not
to
repeat
something
that
has
already
been
said,
because
we
will
make
sure
that
it
is
noted
in
the
record,
and
we
will
also
read
your
written
testimony
if
you
have
submitted
such
that
being
said,
we
will
move
into
our
first
hearing
of
the
day
ab143
whenever
you
are
ready,
assemblywoman
krasner.
A
D
Good
afternoon,
chair
scheible
and
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee
senate
judiciary
committee,
for
the
record,
I
am
assemblywoman
lisa
krasner,
representing
state
assembly
district
26..
I
am
here
to
present
assembly
bill
143
for
your
consideration,
which
establishes
provisions
concerning
victims
of
human
trafficking.
D
As
I
walk
you
through
the
bill,
please
refer
to
the
second
reprint
of
the
bill
posted
on
nellis,
not
the
original
bill.
Human
trafficking
has
been
described
as
a
form
of
modern
day
slavery
impacting
our
most
vulnerable
populations,
and
it
is
a
serious
problem
in
nevada
that
warrants
the
full
attention
of
state
government.
D
D
The
most
common
form
of
trafficking
in
nevada
is
sex
trafficking
at
89
percent,
which
is
significantly
higher
than
the
national
average
of
71
percent
assembly.
Bill
143
will
help
victims
of
human
trafficking
in
a
more
efficient
and
direct
manner
by
empowering
the
division
of
child
and
family
services
in
the
nevada
department
of
health
and
human
services
to
develop
a
statewide
plan
in
cooperation
with
the
nevada
attorney
general's
office,
more
attention
will
be
given
to
helping
victims
of
human
trafficking
and
providing
them
with
the
resources
they
need.
D
In
addition
to
the
development
of
a
statewide
plan,
with
the
passage
of
ab143
dcfs
will
be
required
to
form
the
state
of
nevada
human
trafficking
coalition.
The
statewide
coalition
on
human
trafficking
will
consist
of
interested
parties
and
stakeholders
to
assist
the
division
in
carrying
out
its
duties.
The
statewide
coalition
will
allow
stakeholders
to
communicate
collaborate
and
coordinate
and
share
information
with
one
another.
D
D
A
D
There's
nothing
that
I
know
of
that
prevents
dcfs
from
creating
a
statewide
coalition.
Currently
right
now
we
have
a
a
coalition
for
human
trafficking
in
the
northern
region
of
the
state
of
nevada
and
in
the
southern
region
of
the
state
of
nevada,
but
there's
no
cooperation,
coordinating
coordination
and
communication,
which
I
feel
would
be
really
beneficial
to
the
entire
state
as
a
whole,
because
there's
human
trafficking
going
on
in
other
parts
of
the
state,
as
well
as
just
the
north
and
south.
D
That's
why
I
changed
that
language,
so
it
is
permissive,
but
this
this
would
be
access
to
resources
for
victims
of
human
trafficking,
and
I
won't
reread
all
all
of
the
whole
list
of
what
they
will
be,
but
those
will
be
made
available
on
a
website
that's
available
to
all
victims
of
human
trafficking
throughout
the
entire
state.
It
also
allows
for
us
to
apply
for
federal
funds
with
a
statewide
coalition.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
can
you
talk
about
some
of
the
other
work
that
you
and
stakeholders
have
been
doing
that
necessitates
this
bill?
How
this
bill
fits
into
a
larger
plan
to
improve
our
response
to
human
trafficking,
or
is
it
just
language?
That's
going
to
be
added
to
nrs?
Do
I
mean
who's
committed
to
working
on
the
plan
being
on
the
task
force,
doing
the
work
to
improve
our
response
to
human
trafficking
beyond
the
very
nice
language
and
the
bill?
That
is
permissive.
D
And
then,
if
you're,
also
asking
who
can
be
a
member
of
this
statewide
coalition,
I
intentionally
left
that
open.
I
want
that
to
be
open
because
I
don't
feel
like,
even
though
I've
brought
several
bills
on
human
trafficking
in
my
past.
As
a
legislator,
I
don't
want
to
be
the
person
that
directs
that
I
feel
that
there
are
people
on
the
the
northern
human
trafficking
coalition
and
the
southern
human
trafficking
coalition
and
the
department
of
health
and
human
services
at
the
nevada
attorney
general's
office.
A
And-
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
agree,
I
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
really
good
actors
in
this
state
who
are
working
very
hard
on
human
trafficking.
I'm
just
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
with
whether
you're
saying
that
these
people
are
not
talking
to
each
other
right
now,
they're
refusing
to
work
together.
D
No,
that's
not
assemblywoman
lisa
krasner
for
the
record.
No,
that's
not
why
the
bill
is
here
at
least
one
other
state
and
and
maybe
more
have
gone
to
a
model
where
you
have
a
statewide.
I
think
it's
actually
more
than
one,
but
there
was
just
one
that
I
was
researching
have
gone
to
a
model
where
there's
a
statewide
coalition,
so
that
all
the
actors
in
the
entire
state
are
coordinating,
collaborating
and
communicating
with
each
other
on
this
very
important
issue,.
A
Okay,
this
will
be
my
last
question
because
I'm
just
I'm
just
not
understanding,
because
the
bill
doesn't
mandate
that
they
create
the
coalition.
So
if
they're
not
unwilling
to
do
it
without
the
bill
and
the
bill
doesn't
require
them
to
do
it.
Why
have
a
bill
that
says
you
may
do
this
thing
that
you
were
already
allowed
to
do.
D
A
Thank
you
are
the
requests
senator
settlemeier.
E
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
One
reason
I
signed
on
with
bill
was
the
simple
fact
that
a
lot
of
times
we
hear
from
these
individuals,
sadly
that
they
didn't
know
that
there
were
resources
available
and
they
had
no
idea
and
so
b
of
this
making
sure
that
there
was
a
website
that
helped
point
them
to
all
the
different
entities
that
are
out
there.
E
I
remember
I
was
at
a
meeting
at
the
governor's
or
a
room
or
roofo
room
or
whatever
it's
called
now
nevada
room
and
they
had
a
bunch
of
people
there
that
were
victims
and
they
had
no
idea.
The
services
are
out
there
until
the
organization
helped
them
with
that.
So
I
appreciate
that
aspect
of
the
bill,
but
in
that
respect,
have
you
had
any
negative
feedback
from
any
entities
that
wanted
to
be
into
the
group
or
any
negative
feedback
from
em
saying?
No,
we
don't
want
to
be
included.
E
D
A
F
F
This
is
a
carryover
provision
from
way
back
in
2013
back
when
I
worked
closely
with
now,
u.s
senator
catherine
cortez
masto
on
her
comprehensive
overhaul
of
nevada's
laws
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
strong
and
comprehensive
legal
framework
in
place
to
help
law
enforcement
and
state
officials
combat
human
trafficking.
F
That
was
one
of
the
most
comprehensive
bills
that
was
ever
passed
in
the
united
states
to
combat
human
trafficking,
and
it
followed
up
on
a
number
of
other
provisions
that
were
also
enacted
that
year,
including
assembly
bill
146.
That
was
sponsored
by
assembly
majority
leader
at
the
time,
william
horn,
who
is
who's
now
retired
and
turned
out
of
the
nevada
legislature.
F
But
he
authored
that
bill,
which
I
was
termed
the
involuntary
servitude
of
a
minor
bill,
and
that
bill
in
particular
was
was
something
that
was
very
important
to
me
personally
and
then
I
worked
very
closely
with
the
assemblyman
on
because
it
criminalized
what
happened
to
me
as
a
child,
and
I
wanted
to
share
a
little
bit
about
my
experiences
growing
up
there
in
las
vegas
nevada
and
why
that
bill
was
so
important
and
why
it's
vitally
important
that
assembly
bill
143
be
passed
to
kind
of
bookend
the
efforts
that
have
been
made
over
the
past
decade
to
fight
human
trafficking
there
in
nevada,
like
a
lot
of
victims
that
get
inspired
by
human
traffickers.
F
F
I
had
been
a
child
abuse
victim
when
I
was
about
five
or
six
years
old
and
I
carried
with
me
a
lot
of
shame
and
guilt
from
that
and
when
I
finally
built
up
the
courage
to
tell
my
mother
what
happened
to
me,
she
didn't
respond
in
the
way
that
I
felt
like
I
needed
her
to
and
in
part,
because
it
was
somebody
else
in
our
family
who
had
done
it
to
me,
and
I
think
she
really
struggled
with
how
to
respond
to
that.
F
But
unfortunately,
for
a
12
year
old
boy
who
had
carried
this
around
for
so
long.
You
know
you
don't
really
see
the
world
in
terms
of
of
the
difficulties
that
others
may
have.
But
you
see
it
in
black
and
white
and
for
me
the
lack
of
care
and
regard
for
what
I
had
experienced
was
kind
of
a
slap
in
the
face.
F
And
so
you
know
you
fast
forward
a
couple
of
years
and
is
the
summer
after
my
seventh
grade
year
I
had
joined
boy
scouts
of
america
through
christian
life,
community
church,
which
was
a
church
that
used
to
be
in
the
commercial
center
for
those
that
are
familiar
with
the
las
vegas
valley
area,
and
it
was
a
boy
scout
fundraiser
and
that's
where
I
met
the
mother
of
another
child
in
my
boy
scout
troop
and
like
a
lot
of
skilled
predators.
F
F
Does
it
started
off
with
her
buying
me
gifts
and
taking
me
to
movies
and
slowly
building
trust
over
time
and
that
trust
I
over
time
started
to
tell
her
what
had
happened
to
me
and
the
the
anger
and
the
resentment
that
I
had
toward
my
mother
and
my
parents,
and-
and
she
told
me
what
I
needed
to
hear
right-
that
what
happened
to
me
was
horrible,
that
she
would
never
let
something
like
that
happen
to
me,
let
alone
let
somebody
like
that.
F
F
Over
the
course
of
the
next
several
months,
I
began
to
develop
what
clinicians
call
a
traumatic
bond
and
what
a
traumatic
bond
is
for
those
that
don't
know
is
it's
a
dysfunctional
attachment
that
occurs
that
essentially
this
very
strong
bond
that
a
victim
feels
to
their
abuser.
It's
often
times
found
in
exploitative
cults.
It's
found
in
domestic
violence
situations
or
in
a
lot
of
cases,
with
child
trafficking,
victims
who
have
been
abused
and
neglected
and
and
harmed
by
their
abusers,
and
now
feel
this
misplaced
sense
of
loyalty.
F
If
you
will
to
that
person
and
of
course
the
trauma
bond
is
accompanied
by
cycles
of
violence,
and
so
for
me
that
was
a
multitude
of
things
that
was
emotional
violence.
It
was
sort
of
belittling
me
that
tearing
me
down,
you
know
through
the
denigration.
They
call
me
horrible
names,
insulting
the
way
that
I
looked
insulting
me
in
a
variety
of
different
ways.
F
It
was
accompanied
by
physical
abuse
at
times,
including
domestic
violence,
and
it
was
accompanied
by
this
ongoing
abusive
sexual
relationship
with
that
which
I
thought
at
the
time
was
something
that
I
wanted
right,
even
though
I
was
a
13
14
year
old
boy.
This
was
something
that
I
I
felt
that
I
I
love
this
person.
F
I
felt
that
she
loved
me
and
that
that
you
know
she
had
the
my
best
interest
in
mind
and
that
you
know
that
somehow
this
was
going
to
be
some
sort
of
like
romantic
fairy
tale,
and
you
know-
and
it
sounds
so
strange
to
say
that
but
oftentimes
that's
how
a
lot
of
these
trafficking
situations
involving
children
occur.
You
know
there's
this
misinformation.
I
think
that
exists
out
there
where
a
lot
of
people
have
this
idea
of
taking
or
these
kids
being
kidnapped
off
the
streets.
F
You
know
nothing
could
be
further
from
the
truth,
often
times
it's
people
that
the
child
knows
it's
it's
this.
You
know
this
sort
of
lover,
boy
or
lover
girl
syndrome,
where
these
skilled
child
predators
prey
on
the
insecurities
of
vulnerable
children,
begin
to
sexualize
the
relationship
and
through
that
process
these
trauma
bonds
are
formed,
and
so
for
me
over
time,
as
this
traumatic
bond
formed,
I
became
became
closer
to
her.
I
eventually
ran
away.
F
Trying
to
figure
out
what
it
was
that
I
was
doing
wrong,
because
no
matter
what
was
happening
and
even
though
I
was
just
a
child,
my
mind
automatically
went
to
what
do
I
need
to
do
to
get
back
in
this
person's
good
gracious.
What
do
I
need
to
do
in
order
to
to
show
her
that
I
care
and
love
her,
and
it
was
through
that
process
that
I
became
willing
to
do
anything,
and
I
mean
anything
that
she
asked
of
me
and
that's
why
I
left
my
home.
F
It's
why
I
moved
in
with
this
other
family
and
and
it's
it's
why,
whenever
I
was
asked
or
told
to
do
something
I
did,
and
so
that
meant
taking
care
of
children,
babysitting
cooking
cleaning,
while
other
kids,
my
age
in
eighth
and
ninth
grade,
were
you
know,
playing
sports
or
chasing
girls
or
boys
their
age?
You
know
I
was
going
home
every
day
after
school
and
living
in
this
perpetual
hell
of
this
emotional
abuse,
this
gaslighting
this
physical
and
sexual
violence
that
was
occurring
to
me
and
all
the
while
being
belittled.
F
While
I
was
performing
what
would
otherwise
be
otherwise
be
considered.
These
household
chores-
and
you
know
now
that
we
have-
we
have
so
much
more
knowledge
and
information
about
what
traumatic
bonding
is
and
how
most
human
trafficking
situations
occur.
F
You
know
I
was
able
to
slowly
break
away
from
that
traumatic
bond
over
time
and
eventually
move
back
in
with
my
with
my
parents
and,
as
I
went
on
to
finish
high
school
and
graduate
from
college
and
eventually
go
to
law
school,
I
started
to
work
in
the
anti-human
trafficking
space
at
an
organization
called
polaris
project,
and
that's
where
I
really
began
to
sort
of
put
the
pieces
of
what
happened
to
me
together
to
fully
understand
that
you
know
what
happened
to
me.
Wasn't
just
you
know
this
domestic
violence
situation.
F
It
wasn't
just
sexual
abuse,
it
wasn't
just
this.
It
was
also
this
form
of
human
trafficking
because
of
this
exploitative
nature
of
what
was
happening
to
me
and
this
bond
that
I
had
being
used
to
exploit
me
for
labor
or
services,
and
I
was
in
that
situation
for
a
little
under
two
years
before
I
was
able
to
eventually
develop
the
strength
I
needed
to
be
able
to
escape
that
situation,
thanks
in
large
part
to
coaches.
F
You
know
oftentimes,
like
we
don't
sit
there
in
those
situations.
Thinking!
Oh,
I
am
a
victim
of
x,
y
or
z,
it's
only
in
hindsight
after
the
fact
that
oftentimes
for
so
many
children,
you
know
you
don't
identify
until
you
know
the
years
decades.
F
You
know
sometimes
never
in
part,
because
you
know
you're
you're,
never
identified
by
others,
and
you
never
put
that
together
in
your
mind
and
so
by
having
this
plan
in
place
for
the
delivery
of
services
to
help
different
stakeholders,
whether
it's
ngo
or
government
entities
be
able
to
better
identify
survivors
in
nevada.
F
This
is
gonna
result
in
just
a
more
comprehensive
legal
framework
to
to
combat
human
trafficking,
and
so
it's
against
that
backdrop
that
I
would
strongly
urge
this
committee
to
pass
this
this
provision
to
kind
of
bookend
the
the
work
that's
been
gone
on
for
for
many
years,
starting
with
assemblyman,
I
can't
believe
I'm
blanking
on
his
name:
assemblyman
hamrick,
senator
u.s,
senator
cortez,
masto
sullivan
horn
and
now
with
assemblywoman
krasner's
bill
to
along
with
many
many
others.
F
I
know
I'm
leaving
out
a
lot
of
folks
there,
but
this
is
a
really
important
bill
to
make
sure
that
we
have
this
comprehensive
framework
in
place,
and
I
would
urge
the
committee
support
and
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
attend.
A
G
Thank
you,
chair
ross,
armstrong,
administrator
for
the
division
of
childhood
family
services
and
first
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
how
the
division
sees
what
activities
are
mandatory
and
which
are
permissive.
So,
as
we
read
subsection
one
of
section
one,
we
note
that
the
designation
of
the
human
trafficking
specialist
within
the
vocal
compensation
program
is
mandatory.
The
online
directory
of
services
mandatory
and
then
the
development
of
the
coalition
and
the
formation
of
the
plan
are
mandatory.
G
The
amendment
that
helped
us
remove
the
fiscal
note
was
in
the
description
of
the
plan
and
that
that
part
is
permissive
in
terms
of
what
services
are
permissive.
So
that
is
how
the
division
reads
the
bill
you
might
be
thinking.
Why
is
the
division
of
child
and
family
services
doing
this
particular
activity
for
victims
of
victims
of
human
trafficking-
and
I
think
I
presented
before
this
to
this
group
that
the
division
of
child
family
services
is
the
largest
funder
and
coordinator
of
victim
services
in
the
state
of
nevada
through
our
budgetary
process.
G
This
session,
the
money
committees
so
far,
have
approved
a
new
position
within
the
division
that
will
allow
us
to
establish
the
nevada
office
of
victim
assistance,
which
includes
both
funding
mechanisms
like
our
voca
assistance
program,
our
marriage
license
funding
for
domestic
violence
and
sexual
violence,
and
then
vocal
compensation
is
a
program
we
took
over
last
year.
G
The
reason
why
it's
helpful
to
designate
someone
within
the
vocal
compensation
program
as
a
human
trafficking
specialist
is
those
particular
victims
have
very
different
needs,
so
the
vocal
compensation
program,
almost
sort
of
works
like
insurance,
where
you
submit
a
doc,
a
bunch
of
documentation
for
the
economic
hit
you
took
as
a
victim,
and
then
you
can
get
that
compensated
for
through
the
program
well,
due
to
the
very
nature
of
human
trafficking,
coming
up
with
some
documentation
for
lost
wages
or
medical
or
those
types
of
things
can
be
difficult,
and
so
to
have
someone
within
our
program
designated
and
trained
and
specialized,
and
this
was
also
something
we
engaged
with
the
assembly
of
one
crasher
on
to
tweak
some
of
the
language.
G
So
it's
clear,
we
didn't
need
to
bring
on
an
additional
human
trafficking
specialist
that
we
could
train
someone
already
on
our
staff.
The
state
of
nevada
has
done
a
lot
of
great
work
in
this
in
the
space
of
human
trafficking.
A
lot
of
that
work
is
focused
on
law
enforcement
and
judicial
system
response
right,
protecting
victims
from
criminal
liability,
making
sure
the
penalties
for
buyers
and
pimps
are
substantial.
G
This
bill,
in
my
mind,
really
goes
towards
the
part
of
setting
up
services
for
these
victims,
which
victim
services
in
the
state
has
been
worth.
I
would
say,
we're
still
in
the
maturing
phase
right.
We
don't
even
know
where
really
to
talk
about
victim
services.
Right
when
I
have
a
victim
service
bill
as
a
division
of
of
child
and
family
services,
I
could
be
an
hhs,
I
could
be
a
judiciary.
I
think
this
one.
G
And
so
I
see
that
being
a
really
big
bulk
of
the
the
work
in
the
plan
is
to
kind
of
organize
and
package
up
the
services
that
are
already
available
in
an
easy
to
digest
way
for
the
victim
advocates
on
the
ground.
We,
I
know
we
spoke
about
funding,
and
this
may
open
up
avenues
of
funding.
The
the
bill
says.
We
got
to
maximize
those
resources
for
the
local
human
trafficking
task
forces,
because
those
are
our
boots
on
the
ground
directly
helping
victims,
helping
the
law
enforcement
response,
and
so
for
us.
G
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
clarification
in
terms
of
what
we
see
is
mandated
by
the
bill,
which
is
not
currently
mandated
and
really
the
real,
true
power
of
a
plan
that
says,
let's
bring
these
people
together
and
focus
on
what
services
can
help
address.
The
long-term
health
and
mental
health
needs
and
employment
needs
and
housing
needs
of
the
people
that
have
been
subject
to
this
particular
crime.
So
we've
done
a
good
job
in
nevada
on
the
law
enforcement,
judicial
response
to
human
trafficking.
G
What
this
bill
really
says,
as
we
go
forward
it's
time,
to
put
some
structure
around
the
actual
services
side
for
those
victims.
We
know
you
know,
as
mr
dole
said
this,
the
journey
to
healing
is
long
and
especially
long
for
these
victims,
and
so,
if
we
as
a
state
can
help
empower
the
boots
on
the
ground,
those
local
folks
in
helping
that
journey
be
just
a
little
bit
easier.
Then
that
is
a
great
achievement
of
this
legislation.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
I'm
sorry
I
probably
should
have
let
you
present
first,
because
you
answered
all
of
my
questions.
So
if
anybody
else
still
has
questions
for
us
movement
kresner,
mr
dold
or
mr
armstrong,
I
will
entertain
them
now
and
I
don't
see
any
questions.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
for
being
here
with
us
and
to
everybody
for
your
participation.
A
H
Good
afternoon
kendra
birchie
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
Thank
you
to
scheibel
and
members
of
the
committee
for
hearing
this
important
bill.
I
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
krasner
for
bringing
forward
a
way
to
ensure
that
we
are
providing
services
to
victims
across
nevada.
I've
had
the
privilege
of
serving
on
the
human
trafficking
task
force
for
northern
nevada,
and
I
do
believe
that
it
is
important
to
allow
for
the
statewide
services.
We
have
unfortunately
seen
that
many
of
our
clients
were
victims,
including
victims
of
human
trafficking,
before
becoming
involved
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
john,
peer
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office,
I'd
like
to
echo
everything
miss
burch.
He
said
thank
mr
dole
for
his
testimony
and
assemblywoman
krasner
for
bringing
this
bill
forward.
I
think
I've
heard
senator
hansen
say
many
times.
We
we've
done
a
lot
in
this
area
to
increase
penalties,
but,
as
director
armstrong
said,
it's
now
time
to
increase
services
so
that
we
can
actually
help
people
get
out.
A
J
Thank
you
so
much
chair,
scheible
to
testify
in
support
on
assembly
bill
143,
please
press
star,
9,
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
cube
once
again
to
testify
in
support
on
assembly
bill
143,
please
press
star
nine
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
call
her
with
the
last
three
digits.
One.
Two
two
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and
may
begin.
K
Good
afternoon,
chair
scheible
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
katie
ryan
k-a-t-I-e-r-y-a-n
and
I'm
system,
director
of
nevada
government
relations
for
dignity,
health,
saint
rose,
dominican
and
a
member
of
the
nevada
policy
council
on
human
trafficking.
I
have
provided
a
letter
of
support
to
the
committee
on
behalf
of
saint
rose,
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
assemblywoman
krasner
for
bringing
this
bill
back
for
another
session.
All
nevadans
deserve
to
live
a
life
free
of
violence,
exploitation
and
slavery.
Thank
you.
J
K
Thank
you
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
For
the
record,
my
name
is
tess
opterman,
that's
spelled
o-p-s-e-r-m-a-n
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
women's
lobby.
It
is
a
top
priority
of
the
women's
lobby
to
support
legislation
that
protects
those
who
are
survivors
of
domestic
and
sexual
violence,
including
survivors
of
human
trafficking,
in
nevada,
where
we
are
ranked
ninth
in
the
in
the
nation
for
the
number
of
cases
of
human
trafficking.
K
It
is
critical
that
we
come
up
with
plans
to
help
these
survivors
access,
healthcare,
child
care,
education,
job
security
and
more,
and
that
starts
with
legislation
like
ab143.
We
need
to
fortify
the
safety
that
we
have
in
place,
and
this
is
a
strong
step
in
that
direction.
Thank
you
so
much
to
assemblywoman
krasner
for
bringing
this,
though
forward
and
for
the
powerful
testimony
presented.
The
nevada
women's
lobby
urges
you
to
pass
this
bill
and
we
thank
you
for
your
time
this
afternoon.
J
J
C
I
receive
calls
daily
from
places
from
across
the
united
states
from
other
survivor
leaders
who
are
calling
me
and
saying
hey.
I
have
somebody
in
reno.
I
have
somebody
in
carson
city.
Where
do
you
go?
Where
do
we
send
people
to
and
with
this
bill
this
bill
passes?
That
would
not
be
a
problem.
All
processes
would
be
there.
C
So
I
I
support
this
bill
100,
and
I
thank
you
for
having
me
and
hear
me
as
again
as
I'm
a
survivor
leader
in
carson
city,
and
I
was
in
the
life
for
15
years
so
and
I
still
struggle
every
day
not
to
fall
back
into
that
and
always
wondering
for
resources
for
later
on.
Thank
you.
J
C
I
t
e
I'm
the
chair
of
the
nevada
policy
council
on
human
trafficking.
I
just
want
to
echo
previous
support
comments
and
say
that
statewide
collaboration
is
really
important
for
this
issue
and
continued
support
of
the
issue
and
elevating
the
issue
in
the
state.
We
have
submitted
a
letter
of
support
as
well
and
appreciate
your
attention
and
support
of
this
bill.
Thank
you.
J
J
A
J
A
J
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much.
I
will
point
the
members
of
the
committee
to
some
exec
exhibits
that
have
been
uploaded
to
nellis.
We
have
some
support,
testimony
neutral
testimony
in
writing
there
and,
as
always,
I
encourage
you
all
to
read
those
and
with
that,
since
there
was
no
opposition
testimony,
do
you
I'm
guessing
you
don't
have
any
closing
comments
or
maybe
you
do
go
ahead.
D
Just
wanted
to
say
thank
you,
chair
scheible
and
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee
for
hearing
this
bill
today,
and
I
would
appreciate
your
support.
A
D
D
D
Turning
to
the
topic
of
juvenile
records,
one
commonly
held
misconception
is
that
once
children
turn
18,
their
juvenile
records
disappear
forever
and
they
can
go
forth
with
a
clean
slate.
That
is
wrong
in
many
instances.
That
is
not
the
case,
and
young
offenders
may
face
serious
consequences
and
obstacles
as
a
result
of
their
juvenile
record.
D
It
can
also
affect
eligibility
for
public
housing,
not
only
for
the
delinquent
minor
but
for
his
or
her
family
as
well.
In
the
last
15
years,
many
state
legislatures
have
included
provisions
in
their
juvenile
justice
statutes
to
seal
expunge
and
implement
other
confidentiality
safeguards
for
juvenile
records.
D
As
most
of
you
may
know,
ceiling
refers
to
closing
records
to
the
public,
but
keeping
them
accessible
to
court
personnel
and
law
enforcement
in
general.
The
child's
record
remains
open
and
accessible
to
law
enforcement
officers
and
to
prosecutors
and
sentencing
judges
for
purposes
of
investigating
and
prosecuting
any
future
crimes
in
which
the
youth
may
be
involved.
D
Expungement,
on
the
other
hand,
involves
the
complete
physical
destruction
of
a
juvenile
record.
All
references
to
the
juveniles,
arrest,
detention,
adjudication
disposition
and
probation
must
be
deleted
from
the
files
of
the
court
law
enforcement
and
any
other
person
or
agency
that
provided
services
to
a
child
under
a
court
order.
D
An
expunged
record
is
to
be
treated
as
though
it
never
existed.
All
states
have
some
sort
of
procedures
that
allow
juveniles
to
petition
to
either
seal
or
expunge
their
records.
In
certain
cases,
however,
these
procedures
can
be
confusing
and
cumbersome,
and
it's
time
that
we
address
this
confusion,
our
next
step
as
a
state
is
to
update
our
treatment
of
juvenile
records
to
give
kids
a
fresh
start
and
a
second
chance.
D
D
D
In
conclusion,
now
is
the
time
to
address
the
impact
that
a
child's
juvenile
records
can
have
upon
a
child's
life
and
a
child's
future
just
think
about
it.
Your
17
year
old
son
or
daughter,
who
is
caught
drinking
a
sip
of
their
first
beer,
can
be
arrested
for
a
misdemeanor
taken
to
jail
and
will
now
have
a
record
at
age.
18
many
kids
are
applying
for
college
currently
on
all
out
of
state
college
applications.
D
There's
one
question
that
frequently
appears
have
you
ever
been
arrested,
there's
only
a
space
for
a
yes
or
no
answer,
no
explanation,
it's
very
competitive,
getting
into
college
these
days,
and
you
can
imagine
that
if
the
person
checks
yes,
the
application
will
go
in
the
trash.
Can
making
a
kid
wait
until
they're,
21
years
old
to
seal
their
record?
Just
hurts
the
kids
future
of
success
in
society
getting
into
college
or
getting
a
job.
D
D
D
C
Yes,
good
afternoon,
chair
scheible
and
members
of
the
committee
bridget
duffy
b-r-I-g-I-d
d-u-f-f-y.
I'm
used
to
doing
that
when
I'm
on
the
telephone.
I
haven't
been
on
zoom.
That
often
for
the
record,
I
am
the
chief
of
the
juvenile
division
for
the
clark
county
district
attorney's
office
appearing
on
behalf
of
the
nevada
district
attorney's
association.
C
This
afternoon,
I
appreciate
all
of
the
work
that
went
into
ab251
to
get
to
where
we
are
today
to
allow
children
to
make
a
step
forward
into
their
young
adulthood
with
a
with
a
clean
record,
but
maintaining
the
fact
that
there
are
cases
that
would
not
close
automatically
due
to
either
being
continued
on
probation,
having
active
warrants
or
what
we
call
ritz
more
commonly
known
as
warrants.
So
cases
can
stay
open
much
longer
than
18
and
the
juvenile
court
still
does
have
jurisdiction
until
21.
A
A
All
right,
then,
do
the
members
of
the
committee
have
any
questions,
I'm
not
seeing
any
questions
all
right,
then
we
will
move
on
to
testimony
and
support
of
ab251.
A
I
Ready
thank
you
chair
john
piero
from
the
clark
county
public
defender's
office.
This
bill
was
heavily
negotiated.
We
worked
hard
to
get
it
to
where
it
is
we'd
like
to
thank
assemblywoman
krasner
and
miss
duffy
for
helping
us
get
over
the
hump
with
this
bill.
I
think
this
bill
will
most
certainly
help
children
who
have
made
a
mistake
in
the
misdemeanor
realm
move
on
with
their
life
a
little
bit
faster.
H
Good
afternoon
kendra
burchie
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
I
also
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
krasner.
She
spent
several
hours
doing
different
what
we
would
have
called
woods
said:
wood
shutter
sessions
trying
to
hash
out
all
the
issues
to
ensure
that
all
parties
were
on
the
same
page
to
allow
our
children,
our
youth,
to
have
a
second
chance.
So
we
appreciate
her
efforts
and
I'll
ditto
what
mr
pira
said
and
we
support
this
bill.
Thank
you.
A
J
L
Director
for
balboarn
progress
in
las
vegas
nevada,
I'm
going
to
ditto
what
everybody
else
said
in
regards
to
this
bill
and
we'll
leave
you
with
a
very,
very
simple
admonition.
Today
you
have
the
opportunity
today
to
be
the
people
that
so
many
of
us
needed
when
we
were
growing
up
and
that's
an
opportunity
that
you
should
not
take
lightly.
Okay,
this
is
extremely
important
and
both
personally
and
as
an
organization
we're
proud
to
be
here
and
support
today.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
J
C
C
C-H-R-I-S-T-I-N-E-S-A-U-N-D-E-R-S
and
policy
director
with
progressive
leadership
alliance
in
nevada
here
in
support
of
av-251.
We
want
to
thank
the
assemblywoman
for
bringing
forward
this
bill
and
for
proactively
reaching
out
to
community
leaders
for
their
input.
I
will
also
just
echo
the
testimony
of
those
who
spoke
before
me
and
urge
your
support
of
this
legislation.
Thank.
J
K
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair,
this
is
holly
wellborn,
h-o-l-l-y,
w-e-l-b-o-r-n
policy,
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada,
testifying
and
strong
support
for
this
piece
of
legislation.
Thank
you,
assemblywoman
krasner,
for
bringing
this
forward
and
for
all
of
your
hard
work
on
this
bill.
It's
an
incredibly
important
step
toward
increasing
opportunities
for
success
for
our
youth,
but
not
only
that.
It
also
helps
to
increase
public
safety.
K
A
research
study
by
michigan
law
found
that
those
who
have
their
records
sealed
have
very
little
risk,
are
sealed
or
expunged,
have
very
little
risk
of
recidivism
and
a
significant
improvement
in
their
income
and
ability
to
secure
stable
employment.
This
is
critical
for
our
youth
as
they
move
into
adulthood.
J
K
J
K
Again,
good
afternoon
sheriff
scheibel
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record.
My
name
is
katie
ryan,
k-a-p-I-e
r-y-a-n
and
I'm
the
system,
director
of
nevada
government
relations
for
dignity,
health,
saint
rose,
dominican
and
a
member
of
the
nevada
policy
council
on
human
trafficking,
and
just
for
the
sake
of
brevity
ditto.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much.
We
will
move
to
testimony
in
opposition
to
ab251,
not
seeing
anybody
present
in
the
room
to
give
such
testimony.
We
will
go
directly
to
the
phones.
Please.
J
J
L
Good
afternoon
kerry,
scheible
and
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee,
my
name
is
adrian
jeska,
that's
a-d-r-I-a-n-d,
as
in
victor
ie
fca
and
I'm
appearing
on
behalf
of
the
judicial
district
court
in
clark
county.
We
are
testifying
in
limited
opposition
to
the
bill
and
solely
regarding
section
4,
subsection,
5c
1,
which
requires
the
court
to
destroy
certain
court
records.
Members
of
the
committee
should
have
received
an
email
from
judge,
bridget,
robb
and
judge
rebecca
burton
sharing
our
concerns.
L
If
you
have
not
received
it,
I
will
work
with
your
committee
manager
to
forward
it
to
all
of
you
and
I
apologize
to
assemblywoman
craftsman
for
not
being
able
to
speak
to
her
about
her
concerns.
Before
today's
committee
hearing.
We
are
opposed
limitedly
for
two
reasons.
First,
modern
case
management
systems
for
court
records
are
designed
to
prevent
the
destruction
or
erasure
of
court
records
in
the
second
judicial
district.
The
case
management
system
does
not
allow
for
the
destruction
of
documents
and
we
believe
that's
also
the
case
in
the
judicial
district
court.
L
Second,
if
an
individual
ever
attempted
to
enforce
an
expungement
order,
there
would
be
no
proof
that
such
an
expungement
was
ever
ordered.
We
were
happy
to
work
for
the
bill
sponsor
and
suggest
using
language
that
mirrors
the
adoption
statute.
In
this
way,
the
records
are
protected
and
anyone
seeking
to
obtain
the
records
would
have
a
heightened
burden
in
order
to
do
so.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
A
J
D
So
I
just
assembly
woman
craftsmen
for
the
rug.
D
That
was
the
first
time
I'd
ever
heard
anything
from
anybody
that
was
that
was
not
in
support
of
this
bill
because,
as
miss
duffy
said,
and
as
mr
perrault
and
miss
burchie
said,
we
worked
for
days
and
weeks
and
and
over
and
months
in
woodshed
meetings
having
discussions
with
all
interested
parties,
including
the
district
attorney
association
law
enforcement,
sheriff
police,
school
police,
public
defenders
aclu,
so
that
everybody
was
in
a
position
of
support,
including
juvenile
services
in
clark,
county
and
juvenile
services
in
washoe
county,
with
many
many
meetings
to
get
this
in
support
so
whatever
it
takes
to
make
sure
it
stays
in
support.
D
A
D
Thank
you,
chair
scheible
and
senate
judiciary
committee
members
for
the
record.
I
am
assembly,
woman,
lisa
krasner,
representing
state
assembly
district
26..
I
am
here
today
to
present
assembly
bill
268
also
referred
to
as
mackay's
law.
On
january
5th,
2020
18
year
old
mikaya
told
his
mother.
He
wanted
to
commit
suicide.
D
D
D
D
Three.
It
would
require
that
law
enforcement
agencies
when
feasible,
send
a
peace
officer
who
has
been
trained
in
crisis
intervention
to
respond
to
an
incident
involving
a
person
who
has
made
suicidal
statements,
also
in
carrying
out
his
or
her
duties.
A
peace
officer
shall
not
use
deadly
force
against
a
person
based
on
the
danger
that
the
person
poses
to
himself
or
herself.
D
D
I
have
the
greatest
respect
for
our
law
enforcement
officers,
police
sheriff
highway
patrol
and
district
attorneys
who
put
their
lives
on
the
line
to
protect
us
and
keep
us
safe
every
day,
just
remember
at
3
a.m.
In
the
morning
when
someone
is
breaking
into
your
home,
you
want
to
be
able
to
call
9-1-1
and
have
a
law
enforcement
officer
come
to
your
rescue
law
enforcement
officers.
Do
so
many
good
things
for
our
community
that
go
unnoticed.
D
D
In
conclusion,
my
hope
is
that,
by
putting
these
de-escalation
and
crisis
intervention
policies
into
law
and
into
action,
we
can
prevent
something
like
this
from
ever
happening.
Again,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
las
vegas
metro
police
department,
the
washoe
county,
sheriff's
department,
the
attorney
general's
office
and
the
naacp
for
their
support
of
this
legislation,
chair
scheible
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
appreciate
your
time
today
and
I
would
sincerely
appreciate
your
support
on
ab268.
D
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
A
N
The
man
of
chair
and
thank
you
so
much
krasner
for
bringing
the
bill.
This
is
obviously
something
that's
been
discussed
a
lot
this
session.
I'm
just
wondering
I'm
looking
at
section
three,
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
verbiage.
It
says
in
carrying
out
his
or
her
duties.
A
peace
officer
shall
not
use
deadly
force
against
a
person
based
on
the
danger
that
the
person
poses
to
himself
or
herself.
N
If
a
reasonable
peace
officer
would
believe
that
the
person
does
not
pose
an
imminent
threat
of
death
or
serious
bodily
harm
to
the
peace
officer
or
another
person.
Can
you
explain
that
you
know
we
don't
have
any
of
the
details
of
the
examples
that
were
given.
So
you
know
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
safe
to
assume
that
the
police
officer
at
the
time
believed
that
any
victim,
if
we
want
to
use
that
term,
was
posing
a
threat
to
themselves.
N
But
I
can't
I'm
having
a
hard
time
envisioning
a
situation
where
an
officer
would
believe
a
reit
and
particularly
since
the
reasonable
peace
officer
doesn't
exist
right
that
it's
that's
a
general
term.
So
if
any
given
peace
officer
believe
that
the
person
didn't
pose
a
risk,
don't
we
have
a
policy
on
this
already
that
says
that
we
don't
use
deadly
force
if
there's
no
risk.
D
I
did
mention
it
before,
but
I'm
going
to
say
it
again
before
I
ever
put
my
pen
to
the
paper
and
submitted
anything
to
the
legislative
council
bureau
on
this
bill
I
reached
out
to
the
washoe
county
sheriff's
office
and
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
They
helped
me
to
draft
this
legislation.
N
D
Assemblywoman
lisa
krasner
for
the
record.
That
is
exactly
correct.
This
takes
language
that
is
already
in
place
and
currently
being
used
by
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department
and
the
washoe
county
sheriff's
office
and
codifies
it
and
puts
it
into
law.
It
does
make
one
change
that
asks
that
it
also
be
listed
on
any
website
if
feasible,.
A
O
I'm
mikaylee's
mom,
I'm
in
support
of
8268.
I
want
to
thank
the
chair
and
the
members
of
the
committee
and
thank
you
assemblywoman
krasner,
for
bringing
this
bill.
The
officers
knew
my
son
was
mentally
unstable.
With
the
history
of
mental
instability,
I
told
the
officers
on
9-1-1.
He
was
mentally
unstable,
manic-depressive
and
bipolar.
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
I
should
have
used
the
helicopter
when,
following
mikaya
to
avoid
raising
his
and
anxiety
levels
as
seeing
a
parade
of
police
cars
chase.
My
son
just
raised
his
anxiety
level.
They
said
a
utilized
time
remained
in
a
safe
covered
position,
while
attempting
to
talk
to
me
mikaya
in
a
manner
designed
to
lessen
his
anxiety
and
so
that
we
could
have
had
a
peace
and
safely
save
some
surrender.
A
Thank
you,
ms
klopp,
for
for
being
here
and
for
testifying.
I
think
I
speak
for
all
of
us
on
this
committee
when
I
say
that
we
know
it
is
not
easy
for
you,
even
though
we
don't
know
what
it's
like
to
be
in
your
shoes,
and
so
it
means
the
world
to
us
that
you
would
take
the
time
out
of
your
day
and
to
put
yourself
through
this
trauma
again
just
to
to
help
us
understand
the
situation
better,
and
so
we're
all
grateful
to
you
and
thank
you.
H
Good
afternoon
kendra
burger
with
the
washoe
county
public
defender's
office.
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
susan
for
being
here
today,
as
ter
scheibel
said,
to
share
her
story
of
what
had
occurred.
She
has
given
me
permission
to
share
this,
but
for
the
committee's
information,
this
wednesday
would
have
been
machias
20th
birthday.
H
We
truly
believe
that
mental
health
is
a
public
health
crisis
and
not
a
police
crisis,
and
it
shouldn't
require
police
intervention.
Unfortunately
we're
not
there
yet,
and
we
task
a
lot
on
our
police
officers
officers,
including
requiring
them
to
respond
to
mental
health,
calls
without
providing
them
with
the
appropriate
tools.
H
We
believe
that
this
bill
will
ensure
that,
if
officers
are
asked
to
be
at
a
scene
with
someone
who
is
suffering
from
a
mental
health
crisis,
they
have
those
tools
necessary
to
de-escalate
the
situation,
to
have
crisis
intervention
tools
in
order
to
hopefully
provide
for
better
outcomes.
If
this
bill
does
nothing
but
maybe
save
one
person's
life,
then
it
will
be
worth
it.
Thank
you.
I
I
think
it's
important
to
say
and
say
it
often
that
mental
illness
is
a
flaw
in
chemistry,
not
a
flaw
in
character,
and
I
think,
taking
the
time
to
address
how
somebody
in
the
mental
health
crisis
is
responded
to
we'll
go
a
long
way
towards
protecting
our
community
and
protecting
the
officers
who
have
to
respond
to
these
events.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
represent
the
sergeants
and
lieutenants
and
captains
of
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
We
are
here
in
support
of
this
bill.
The
authority,
the
police
provided
by
law
and
the
community
to
use
force
from
the
lowest
level
of
force
to
deadly
force
is
a
responsibility
that
should
not
be
taken
lightly.
I
The
requirement
for
de-escalation
practices
should
be
the
standard,
making
every
feasible
attempt
to
a
safe
conclusion
for
all
parties
should
be
the
goal
of
every
law
enforcer,
as
has
been
stated
multiple
times
during
this
session
and
by
lawmakers,
including
some
of
this
room.
A
vast
majority
of
police
agencies
in
our
state
are
already
meeting
this
mandate.
The
purpose
of
this
bill
is
to
memorialize
those
practices
into
law
for
those
persons
that
come
behind
us
to
continue
to
meet
this
mandate.
Thank.
A
A
A
J
P
Thank
you
chair
members
of
the
committee.
This
is
chuck
callaway
representing
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
My
name
is
spelled:
c-a-l-l-a-w-a-y
appreciate,
assembly,
woman,
krasner
working
with
us
and
reaching
out
to
us
regarding
this
bill.
Even
before
the
session
started,
we
have
had
a
written
use
of
force
policy
on
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department.
Since
long
before
I
was
hired
in
1989
and
it's
constantly
updated
and
adapted
to
meet
best
practices.
P
In
fact,
as
recently
as
a
few
months
ago,
it
was
updated
again
and
it
is
available
on
our
website,
along
with
related
use
of
force,
information
regarding
our
agency
at
lvmpd.com.
P
Every
officer
that
goes
through
our
police
academy
currently
receives
cit
training.
We
were
one
of
the
first
agencies
in
the
country
to
have
de-escalation
as
part
of
our
use
of
force
policy.
So,
as
was
stated
in
the
testimony,
this
bill
doesn't
change
anything
for
our
agency.
It's
how
we're
currently
doing
business,
and
we
are
here
in
support.
Thank
you.
J
J
L
L
J
Q
And
marie
grant
a
and
n-e-m-a-r-I-e-g-r-a-n-t
my
brother,
thomas
purdy,
was
murdered
by
reno
police
and
washout
county
sheriff's
office
during
a
mental
health
crisis
that
I
support
ab
268
as
it's
an
attempt
at
transparency
and
accountability.
Of
course,
each
agency
should
have
a
use,
of
course,
policy
per
fatal
encounters.org
395.
Q
Q
My
140-pound
brother
would
not
have
been
placed
into
a
hard
tie
for
40
minutes
by
reno
pd
and
then
it
fixated
by
deputies
in
shocking
washington,
county
sheriff's
office
claims
they've
had
such
great
success,
not
killing
them
mentally
ill.
They
associated
three
men
killed
by
police
for
asking
for
help
during
a
mental
health
crisis.
Perhaps
head
officers
had
this
additional
training
michaelis
philip
toronto
kenneth
stafford
mike
abbey
and
amarillo,
my
brother,
thomas
purdy,
and
so
many
others
will
be
alive
today.
Q
Watered
down
bills
are
not
designed
to
prosecute
the
police,
but
rather
to
restore
confidence
in
the
public
confidence
in
police.
They
are
used
to
refuse
demands
for
prosecuting
police
brutality
and
minimize
punishment
for
guilty
cops.
What
families
really
want
is
to
change,
so
no
other
families
have
to
know
this
pain
and
for
our
loved
one's
killer
to
be
held
accountable
honestly
until
grampy
conor
antenna,
cb,
goner,
overturned
the
whole
reasonableness
thing,
nda's,
prosecute
police
who
use
excessive
force,
murder
or
kill
due
to
negligence.
Q
This
bill
is
just
putting
a
band-aid
on
a
deep
wound
and
the
language
in
this
bill
mirrors
the
two
scotus
cases
I
mentioned
for
it
to
be
reasonable.
All
the
officer
has
to
say
they
feared
for
their
life
and
that's
enough
legally,
even
with
this
bill
to
justify
the
shooting,
I
do
believe
they
are
trained
extensively
at
the
academy
on
this
reasonable
issue.
2019
california
changed
its
use
of
force
law,
it
changed
the
word
reasonableness
to
necessary,
and
so
many
people
are
still
being
killed.
So
it's
no
surprise.
Q
It's
I
can't
speak
to
washoe
county,
but
like
clark
county,
but
in
washoe.
If
someone
were
to
die
by
a
fixation,
chris
hicks
d.a
would
not
investigate
like
he
does
in
ois
shooting
death.
My
brother
was
a
danger
to
nobody.
If
reno
pd
affixated
my
non-combative
non-aggressive
mentally
ill
brother
and
thought
it
was
reasonable.
I
ask
what
isn't
reasonable
in
their
eyes.
It's
clear.
Q
The
police
are
a
far
greater
danger
to
the
community
and
then
to
then
the
community
is
to
them
until
we
have
laws
that
actually
do
not
allow
police
to
kill
us
without
consequence.
Forgive
me
for
my
skepticism.
I
do
not
skepticism,
nothing
will
change.
I
do
support
the
bill
moving
forward,
but
not
because
I
believe
it
will
stop
police
from
murdering
without
consequence
or
that
it
will
reduce
death
at
the
hands
of
police.
Thank
you.
J
K
H-O-L-L-Y-W-E-L.
Excuse
me
b-o-r-n
policy,
director
for
the
aclu
of
nevada.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
a
little
choked
up
from
susan's
testimony.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
being
here
and
sharing
your
story
and
thank
you
to
assemblywoman
krasner
for
honoring
the
life
of
mikaylee
and
for
your
willingness
to
do
something
to
address
this
public
health
crisis.
K
K
It's
been
a
really
tough
year
for
the
organization
and
but
I
simply
can't
imagine
what
susan
has
gone
through
and
anything
that
we
can
do
to
be
of
assistance.
Please
reach
out.
K
I
hope
that
this
body
will
continue
to
move
forward
and
improve
this
law
to
move
away
from
simply
codifying
existing
policies
and
that
we
can
continue
to
work
together
to
completely
reimagine
the
role
of
policing
in
our
communities
and
to
invest
in
adequate
mental
health
services
and
to
get
the
right
people
responding
to
these
types
of
calls
for
service
again.
Thank
you,
assemblywomancrowder.
J
J
J
C
Hi,
yes,
thank
you
senate
committee.
My
name
is
matthew.
Wilkie
m-a-t-t,
h-e-w,
w-I-l-k-I-e,
you've
heard
from
susan
mckay's,
mom,
you've
heard
from
so
many
other
people
here
in
northern
and
then
the
nevada
region
who
have
lost
family
members
due
to
senseless
violence.
I
truly
do
believe
that
if
this
bill
could
have
been
in
effect
in
years
and
years,
prior
makaya
very
well
could
be
alive
with
us
today
with
proper
training.
I
do
believe
that
thomas
purdy
could
be
alive
today
with
proper
training.
C
A
J
Thank
you
chair
to
testify
in
opposition
on
assembly
bill
268,
please
press
star
9,
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
once
again
to
testify
in
opposition
on
assembly
bill
268,
please
press
star
nine
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
call
her
with
the
last
three
digits
196,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and
may
begin.
L
We
oppose
the
monday
morning,
quarterbacking
language
of
section
three,
when
a
reasonable
person,
a
reasonable
peace
officer,
quote
unquote,
sitting
in
a
non-critical
environment
is
reviewing
and
deciding
the
imminent
threat
of
the
officer
in
that
moment
and
what
they
have
determined.
We
do
support
good
policies.
We
do
support
de-escalation,
we
do
support
crisis
intervention,
training
for
all
officers
and
the
use
of
it
law
enforcement
officers
themselves
spend
the
rest
of
their
lives
playing
the
shoulda
game
after
a
critical
incident.
L
The
officer
facing
the
life-and-death
situation
before
then
should
in
fact
be
held
accountable
for
their
actions.
Yes,
but
legislating
policy
like
this
can
place
nevada
law
enforcement
officers
in
an
improper
response
to
a
situation,
and
that
can
place
innocent
people
and
officers
in
harm's
way.
For
that
we
oppose
the
bill.
J
A
J
R
Hello,
my
name
is
adrian
lowry,
that's
a-b-r-I-a-n-l-o-w-r-y,
I'm
speaking
more
neutral,
because
I
like
a
lot
of
things
in
this
bill,
but
I
feel
like
it
still
needs
more
that
essentially,
you
know
these
are
good
things
in
the
bill,
but
they're
not
enough
about
accountability
when
these
things
are
violated
and
we've
seen
in
a
lot
of
instances
where
the
policy
itself
does
not
actually
produce
the
outcome,
we're
looking
for,
we
need
to
have
accountability
when
these
policies
are
disregarded
or
broken,
and
then
also
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
do
not
like
the
the
framing
that
has
been
used,
sometimes
to
say.
R
Okay,
these
people
are
innocent
victims.
We
don't
want
innocent
people
to
be
hurt,
but
it's
all
right,
for
you
know
people
who
are
having
a
mental
health
crisis,
they're
apparently
not
innocent,
it's
all
right
for
them
to
be
harmed.
It's
really
not!
Okay.
All
right!
That's
all!
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
J
S
Thank
you.
My
name
is
nathaniel
phillips,
a
t
h,
a
n,
I
e
l
t
h,
I
l
l,
I
p
p
s,
I'm
a
resident
of
las
vegas
and
I'm
also
a
fellow
with
the
american
friends
service
committee
healing
justice
program
and
we
work
on
alternatives
to
incarceration
and
also
police
accountability,
and
I'm
calling
to
to
say
a
couple
of
things
that
one
that
legislation
like
this
is
paramountly
important
nevada
faces.
S
S
Unfortunately,
police
officers
will
actually
police
officers
should
not
be
responding
to
individuals
who
are
experiencing
mental
health
devices.
In
fact,
there
should
be
other
systems
in
place
that
send
trained
and
professional
mental
health
experts
who,
who
will
interact
with
people
with
compassion
and
care.
S
S
But
I
do
have
to
have
to
say
that,
in
order
to
truly
honor
mikaylee's
life
and
the
advocacy
and
of
his
mother
susan
and
the
pain
and
anguish
that
she's
gone
through,
it
would
take
so
much
more
than
this
piece
of
legislation
it
would
take.
And
it
would
ultimately
take
the
completely
transformed
approach
to
public
safety.
S
To
true
and
it
would
it
would
take
justice
for
makai's
life
being
taken
from
us.
I
think
it's
important
to
say
that
the
officers
in
makai's
killing
were
previously
involved
in
killing
other
residents,
one
who
was
suffering
a
crisis
of
ptsd
in
his
own
backyard,
when
his
wife
called
for
help
and
police
officers
showed
up
and
ended
his
life
as
well,
and
it's
important
for
legislators
to
be
aware
that
after
makai's
killing
communities
had
to
engage
in
organizing
and
and
confrontation
to
elevate
and
raise
the
alarm
about
the
lack
of
justice
and
accountability.
S
S
Activists
had
to
stage
a
die
in
outside
of
the
district
attorney's
office
and
stop
traffic
in
order
to
get
the
most
basic
information
about
the
killing
of
someone
in
our
community.
It's
reprehensible
and
I
really
implore
legislators
to
hold
not
only
killer
cops
but
also
district
attorneys
and
the
criminal
legal
system
that
upholds
all
of
this
lack
of
accountability
and
lack
of
justice
to
account
in
nevada.
So
this
is
only
one
small
step
towards
that
aim.
Thank
you.
So
much.
J
J
K
K
His
mother
susan
shouldn't,
have
to
suffer
and
face
this
trauma
that
she
is
facing
because
a
police
officer
killed
somebody.
This
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
but
it's
not
nearly
enough.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
D
Thank
you,
chair
scheible,
and
members
of
the
senate
judiciary
committee,
assemblywoman,
lisa
cresser,
for
the
record.
So,
as
I
stated
before,
I
appreciate
the
help
and
support
of
the
washoe
county
sheriff's
office
and
the
las
vegas
metro
police
department
in
putting
this
piece
of
legislation
together
and
for
their
support
of
the
legislation.
D
I
don't
control
how
anybody
else
testifies
in
support,
neutral
or
any
other
way
on
my
bill,
and
I'm
certainly
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
work
with
anybody.
But
I
do
think
that,
even
though
this
is
just
a
small
step,
even
a
small
step
in
the
right
direction
is
called
progress
and
I
would
really
appreciate
your
support
of
ab268.
A
A
B
Thank
you
chair
and
members
of
this
hard-working
committee.
My
name
is
jill
tolls
for
the
record.
I
represent
assembly
district
25..
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
say
thank
you
for
serving
on
this
committee.
I
have
served
on
assembly,
judiciary
for
two
sessions
and
I
know
firsthand
just
how
weighty
the
the
topics
are
that
you
address
in
this
committee,
and
I
appreciate,
on
behalf
of
nevada,
your
service,
and
so
I'm
here
to
present
today
assembly
bill
182,
which
revises
the
elements
relating
to
advancing
prostitution.
B
I'd
like
to
first
start
with
talking
a
little
bit
about
the
background
behind
this
bill
and
then
walk
through
some
of
the
various
elements
of
the
bill.
For
starters
last
session,
the
legislature
passed
assembly
bill
166,
which
created
the
definition
for
advancing
prostitution
and
established
penalties
for
the
crime.
B
B
We
saw
cases
and
heard
testimony
of
these
individuals
having
their
shoes
locked
up
into
cabinets,
their
ids
taken
away
from
them
forced
into
inhumane
conditions
where
truly
some
of
the
worst
violations
human
rights
violations.
You
could
imagine
under
threat
and
coercion
to
perform
sex
acts
where
the
business
owner
was
was
running.
These
establishments
knowingly
and
yet
could
throw
their
hands
up
and
say.
You
can't
hold
me
accountable,
they're,
they're,
independent
contractors,
and
we
lacked
the
ability
to
prosecute
them
under
the
law
without
victim
testimony
so
working
with
stakeholders.
B
So
if
I
can
run
through
briefly
this
summary
of
what
assembly
bill,
182
seeks
to
accomplish,
it
refines
the
enforcement
language
of
nrs
201.395,
while
maintaining
the
protections
for
those
unknowingly
engaged
around
this
illegal
activity.
So
to
be
more
specific,
if
you
look
at
section
1.1
a
it
clarifies
that
a
person
knows
this
illegal
activity
is
being
conducted
if
they
have
received
written
notice
by
law
enforcement,
notifying
them
of
at
least
one
incident
section.
B
1.1
a
also
removes
the
section
pertaining
to
victims
of
involuntary
servitude,
because
that
is
a
category
b,
felony
and
therefore
a
higher
standard
than
the
crime
of
advancing
prostitution.
At
a
cat
c,
felony
section
1.3
removes
the
requirement
that
law
enforcement
must
notify
the
individual
three
times
and
reduces
it
to
one
written
notice.
B
The
three
incidents
require
requirement
was
too
resourcive
intensive
for
law
enforcement
to
implement,
and
I
I
would
challenge
any
of
us
to
find
any
example
of
where
you
have
to
be
warned
three
times
of
an
illegal
activity
before
taking
steps
to
abate
it
in
the
law.
Section
1.3
c
removes
the
abatement
step
of
promoting
ongoing
education
about
such
illegal
prostitution
for
employees
and
the
reason
for
this
was
it
just
made
it
too
easy
for
a
business
to
simply
hang
a
poster
as
a
defense
for
taking
steps
to
abate
this
illegal
activity.
B
I
want
to
point
out,
because
it's
always
important
whenever
we
discuss
anything
in
relation
to
this
topic,
that
the
focus
of
ab-182
is
not
to
arrest
the
victims
or
sex
workers.
We
have
made
a
substantial
effort
to
provoke,
promote
victim
center
training
for
law
enforcement,
and
I'm
grateful
to
the
public
defenders
for
expressing
a
neutral
stance
on
this
measure.
I'm
also
grateful
for
all
the
support
from
the
retail
association,
the
nevada,
resorts
association
and
others
in
addition
to
the
stakeholders
in
crafting
this
legislation.
B
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
the
chair
for
reaching
out
with
solutions
and
offering
a
an
amendment
that
really,
I
think,
captures
the
in
many
ways:
the
intent
of
wanting
to
make
sure
that
this
really
is
going
after
the
bad
actors
and
not
after
the
victims
themselves.
I've
not
had
a
chance
to
review
this
with
all
the
stakeholders
and
knowing
how
much
work
had
been
put
into
the
the
final
language.
B
B
She
also
wanted
to
join
on
his
co-sponsor
and
certainly
would
welcome
any
other
members
of
the
committee
who
are
not
already
joined
on
as
co-sponsors
as
well
with
that
I'd
like
to
conclude
my
introductory
remarks
and
offer
that
alyssa
engler
senior
deputy
attorney
general
with
the
office
of
the
attorney
general
is
here
to
help
answer
questions
as
well
as
jennifer,
noble
with
washoe
county
district
attorney's
office
and
lieutenant
nate
chio
with
las
vegas
metro
police
department.
In
addition
to
the
many
other
supporters
stakeholder
supporters.
A
E
E
Go
I
mean
just
I'm
amazed
by
that,
because
prostitution
is
very
open
in
the
big
casinos
in
clark
county.
I
mean
you
know
they
pass
out.
They
thought
I
haven't
been
there
in
10
years,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
so
true
anymore,
but
you
know
they
passed
out
brochures
and
you
could
pick
the
girl
you
want,
and
it's
going
on
right
in
front
of
these
big
major
casinos.
So
if
that's
true
and
they
know
those
brochures
and
so
were
being
passed
out,
could
caesar's
entertainment
and
mgm
and
those
types
be
prosecuted
under
this
law.
B
B
I
would
rather
defer
to
to
legal
representatives
or
counsel,
but
what
I
will
say
is
that
I've
been
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
most
proud
of
is
to
see
the
shift
across
our
state
in
recognizing
that
this
is
an
issue
and
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
tackle,
that
there
are
gross
injustices
and
abuses
that
are
occurring
and
I'm
quite
proud
of
partnering
with
the
resort
association
and
recognizing
that
and
and
in
tackling
it.
So
I'd
like
to
again
commend
them
for
really
taking
this
on
as
a
priority.
E
Good,
I'm
all
for
it.
I
supported
the
other
bill
and
I
resented
the
fact
that
there
was
a
200
room
cap
in
the
bill
to
protect
some
of
these
same
people.
That
apparently
are
okay
with
this
one,
so
be
interesting
how
this
one
plays
out,
but
you
know
you,
I
you
and
I've
discussed
this
several
times.
The
reality
is
that
you
know
what
goes
on
in
vegas
stays
in
vegas.
E
That
mentality
has
in
fact
encouraged
things
like
street
prostitution
and
so
forth,
and
I
I
think,
there's
it's
been
winked
at
for
years
by
some
of
the
big
players
in
these
areas,
because
it's
one
of
the
frankly
attractions
for
certain
people
to
come
to
las
vegas.
So
I
would
love
to
see
this
pass
and
see
it
actually
enforced
and
be
really
intrigued
to
come
back
in
a
few
years
and
see
how
effectively
it's
been
been
enforced
on
these
bigger
properties,
especially
where
this
sort
of
stuff
has
been
pretty
rampant.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Any
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
I
don't
see
any
other
questions,
so
we
will
move
to
testimony
in
support
of
ab182.
J
J
L
J
Her
with
the
last
three
digits,
nine
six
nine,
please
slowly
state
and
spell
your
name
for
the
record.
You'll
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
It
may
begin
good
afternoon,
chair
scheible
and
members
of
the
senate
committee.
My
name
is
brian
walker,
b-r-y-a-n-w-a-c-h,
with
the
retail
association
of
nevada.
We
too
are
in
favor
of
the
bill.
We
want
to
thank
assemblywoman
tools
for
bringing
this
forward
and
we
urge
your
support
of.
J
K
K
J
R
Thank
you.
My
name
is
nathan
chio
m-a-t-h-a-n-c-h-I-o,
I'm
a
lieutenant
for
the
las
vegas
metropolitan
police
department,
with
a
special
investigation
section
to
provide
testimony
in
support
of
ab182.
R
I
would
like
to
thank
assemblywoman
joe
tolz
for
sponsoring
this
legislation.
The
special
investigations
section
battles,
human
trafficking,
by
targeting
commercial
businesses
who
operate
as
fronts
for
illegal
brothels.
Sis
has
done
numerous
investigations
on
businesses
which
are
advertised
as
massage
parlors,
massage
alcohol
services,
reflexology
party
supply
stores
and
nail
salons,
who
are
in
reality
illegal
brothels.
R
One
of
our
biggest
challenges
is
the
plausible
deniability.
The
owners
of
these
businesses
invoke,
as
they
place
the
blame
squarely
on
the
human
trafficking
victims,
even
as
they
have
a
history
of
operating
these
types
of
businesses.
These
individuals
effectively
gain
the
monetary
gains
from
illegal
activities.
By
sharing
none
of
the
risk
of
prosecution.
R
Also
ab182
will
dissuade
straw
owners
from
allowing
bad
actors
to
use
their
information
to
open
a
place
of
business
or
lease
a
property
without
knowing
what
is
really
going
on
at
that
business
or
property.
We
have
several
cases
where
the
listed
owner
has
no
idea
what
the
manager
or
employee
is
doing
at
their
business,
but
continue
to
open
businesses
in
this
manner.
Just
the
same
ab182
will
give
nevada
law
enforcement
an
effective
tool
to
hold
those
persons
responsible
will
perpetuate
the
cycle
of
victimization
for
human
trafficking,
commercial
businesses
and
other
properties.
J
J
C
L-A-U-R-E-N-B-O-I-T-E-L-
and
I
am
the
chair
of
the
nevada
policy
council
on
human
trafficking,
I
want
to
echo
previous
support
comments
of
this
bill
and
thank
assembly.
One
woman
told
for
her
continued
leadership
in
strengthening
nevada's
human
trafficking
legislation,
punishing
bad
actors
and
supporting
victim
survivors.
We
have
provided
a
letter
of
support
with
further
comments
as
well.
Thank
you.
J
A
Thank
you,
mr
kyle.
I'm
sorry,
I
wasn't
sure
if
there
was
anybody
on
zoom
who
wanted
to
provide
support
testimony,
so
I
will
ask
now
if
anybody
on
zoom
wants
to
provide
testimony
in
any
position,
maybe
you
could
just
let
me
know
now
so
that
we
can
plan
for
it.
C
M
C
C
A
J
R
I
want
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
bill
because
I'm
concerned
about
the
negative
effect
this
will
have
on
women
who
choose
to
engage
in
sex
work.
First
of
all,
there's
no
societal
benefit
to
putting
women
in
jail,
new
presence
for
engaging
in
sex
work.
Many
sex
workers
are
in
precarious
positions
where
they
are
not
able
to
do
other
work
due
to
disability,
discrimination
or
economic
condition.
R
This
bill
requires
people
to
assist
the
police
in
criminalizing
women
in
sex
work,
and
I
feel
that
is
an
incredibly
immoral
thing
to
do.
How
can
you
ask
honors
of
buildings
and
businesses
to
affirmatively?
Subject
women
to
the
violence
of
criminal
arrest
in
prison?
I
cannot
support
violence
against
women
and
I
would
not
comply
with
this
law.
Is
in
that
position.
R
Can
you
explain
why
somebody
is
liable
for
criminal
consequences
because
they
hold
a
moral
conviction
that
they
refuse
to
enact
violence
against
women?
Second,
second,
this
law
does
not
prevent
women
from
doing
sex
work.
The
only
thing
that
is
achieved
is
that
women
are
driven
from
stay
for
stay,
fair
environment,
into
doing
their
work
in
locations
that
are
much
more
dangerous.
If
we
care
about
the
health
and
safety
of
these
women,
then
we
should
not
make
it
so
they
can
only
do
their
work.
R
We
should
make
it
so
they
can't
do
their
work
in
safety,
not
under
conditions
where
they're
likely
to
be
attacked
or
killed.
You
should
not
support
something
that
will
harm
women.
There
are
too
many
women
being
killed
like
this.
Many
people
downgrade
and
reduce
these
women
because
they
disagree
with
the
choices
they've
made.
These
women
do
not
deserve
to
be
harmed.
They
deserve
the
same
safety,
health
and
happiness
of
any
other
women.
I
have
to
please
support
women
instead
of
criminalizing
them,
but
against
this
bill
and
any
other
bill
to
criminalize
women
work.
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much.
We
will
move
then
to
testimony
in
the
neutral
position.
I
don't
see
anybody
in
the
room
to
give
neutral
testimony,
so
we
will
go
to
the
phones.
Please.
J
L
Good
afternoon
sheriff
scheibel
members
of
the
committee,
corey
sulforano,
c-o-r-e-y
last
of
sol,
ferrino
s's
and
sam
o-l
f,
is
in
frank
e-r-I-n-o.
I
tried
to
testify
and
support.
However,
it
won't,
let
me
so
I'm
here
in
the
neutral
position,
but
wanted
to
pledge
the
washoe
county,
sheriff's
office,
full
support
of
ab182
and
thank
assemblywoman
tolls
and
the
other
bill
sponsors
for
their
tireless
efforts
in
assisting
law
enforcement
with
combating
human
and
sex
trafficking.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
A
J
Thank
you
cherish.
I
apologize
for
the
interruption
if
you
have
recently
joined
the
call
this
afternoon,
we
are
currently
on
neutral
testimony
for
assembly
bill
182.
If
you'd
like
to
provide
neutral
testimony
at
this
time,
please
press
star
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
That
concludes
the
testimony
on
ab182.
Unless
the
sponsor
has
any
closing
remarks,
then
I
will
close
the
meeting
on
one
a
b
182
that
takes
us
to
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
public
comment.
I
don't
see
anybody
present
in
the
room
to
get
public
comments
so
we'll
go
to
the
phones.
Please.
J
Thank
you,
chair
scheible.
We
are
currently
on
public
comment
this
afternoon.
If
you
would
like
to
provide
public
comment
at
this
time,
please
press
star
9
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue
once
again
we're
currently
on
public
comment
and
if
you'd
like
to
provide
public
comment
at
this
time,
please
press
star
nine
now
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue.
J
L
Good
afternoon,
chair
scheibel
and
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
eric
spratley
s-p-r-a-t-l-e-y,
the
executive
director
of
the
nevada,
sheriffs
and
chiefs
association
here
in
public
comment,
since
it
was
stated
during
earlier
testimony
that
this
association
supported
assembly,
bill
251
and
the
changes
to
juvenile
justice.
This
association
does
not
support
that
bill
as,
by
and
large,
we
support
the
juveniles
be
held
accountable
for
their
actions,
but
we
stayed
out
of
any
testimony
on
the
bill
as
a
courtesy
to
the
presenter,
since
we
were
inappropriately
claimed
to
be
in
support.
L
J
Q
A-N-N-E-M-A-R-I-E-G-R-A-N-T
sister
thomas
purdy,
who
was
murdered
by
reno
police
and
marshall,
county
sheriff's
office
during
a
mental
health
crisis,
hog
tied
for
over
40
minutes
and
then
affixiated
to
this
I'd
like
to
tell
you
about
washa,
county
sheriff's
office,
sergeant
jason
wood,
who
was
on
administrative
leave
for
his
second
dui
sergeant,
was
arrested
for
dui
on
april
30th
and
booked
into
the
county
jail.
Wood
was
arrested
for
dui
previously
in
march
of
2016,
and
was
sentenced
to
complete
nine
hours
of
dui
school
and
attend
a
victim
impact
panel.
Q
Q
The
video
of
the
attack
of
the
community
member
went
viral
and
cost
the
taxpayers
of
warshaw
county
who
have
to
always
foot
the
bill
for
bad
behavior
of
law
enforcement
sergeant
would
also
shot
interrupter
robert
hampton
iii
on
11
5
2014
and
another
death
of
a
community
member
at
the
hansa
police.
At
washoe
d.a
chris
hicks
dragged
his
feet
on
releasing
the
report.
Q
The
report
was
released,
526
2016,
568
dates
later
balaam
knew
of
what's
passed
when
he
took
office
in
2018.
But
what
did
he
do
promote
a
dad
to
a
bad
cop
to
sergeant
darren.
Balham
recently
said
it's
past
time
we
hold
law
enforcement
officers
who
tarnish
shot
profession
and
oath
accountable
for
deplorable
actions.
It's
time
for
him
to
do
that
without
in
his
own
department,
I'd
like
to
mention
the
family
of
36
year
old
ronaldson
day
house
was
killed
by
spark.
Q
He
was
killed,
54
2020
by
sparks
police
and
his
family,
and
the
community
are
still
waiting
for
d.a
chris
hicks
reporting
on
the
body.
Cam
footage.
Please
support
those
that
promote
transparency
and
accountability,
and
my
heart
goes
out
to
susan
mckay's
mother.
It
really
is
re-traumatizing,
especially
with
yesterday
being
mother's
day.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
That
concludes
our
meeting
for
today,
please
be
on
the
lookout.
We
may
be
changing
some
of
our
meeting
times
a
little
bit
earlier
later
during
the
week
to
accommodate
other
committees
that
go
after
us
being
able
to
hear
their
full
schedules
as
well.
So
my
committee
staff,
as
always,
are
rockstars
and
communicating
with
your
staff,
and
we
will
try
to
get
those
that
information
out
to
you
as
early
as
possible.
A
So
it's
not
catch
anybody
off
guard,
but
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
not
to
be
alarmed
if
you
see
a
changing
meeting
time
later
in
the
week
and
of
course,
for
both
members
of
the
committee
and
also
members
of
the
public
who
may
wish
to
testify
or
be
present,
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me.
If
you
have
any
concerns
about
those
changes.
Otherwise
we
will
see
you
tomorrow,
probably
at
one
o'clock
and
until
then
we
are
adjourned.