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A
I
am
here,
it
appears
that
all
members
are
present
and
I
thank
you
for
joining
us
today
at
this
time.
I
would
like
to
take
a
few
minutes
to
allow
the
members
on
this
committee
to
introduce
themselves
if
the
members
would
please
indicate
the
district
that
you
represent,
as
well
as
your
goals
for
the
committee
during
this
21-22
interim
session,
and
we
will
begin
with
our
vice
chair,
senator
harris.
C
E
Good
morning,
chair
senator
chris
brooks
from
senate
district
3
right
in
the
center
of
las
vegas,
and
I
think
this
is
just
a
incredibly
important
subject
and
a
very
important
committee.
E
I've
seen
firsthand
how
good
policy
from
the
state
of
nevada
can
lead
to
economic
growth,
and
I
think
that
energy
and
the
new
energy
economy
is
our
biggest
opportunity
for
economic
growth
and
diversification
in
the
state
of
nevada.
And
I
think
that
this
policy,
that
the
policies
coming
out
of
this
committee
in
the
legislature
can
really
be
beneficial
to
that.
F
Morning,
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
senator
ham,
I
represent
district
18,
which
is
located
in
the
centennial
hills
area
which
is
sort
of
the
north.
I
guess
northwest
part
of
town
northeast,
I
don't
even
know,
but
it's
north
on
the
95
and
anyway,
I've
been
involved
with
this
particular
community
for
many
years.
F
I
think
the
the
policy
is
is
so
vital
and
incredibly
important,
especially
now
when
we're
talking
about
the
dollars
that
are
flowing
into
the
state
and
the
potential
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
those
are
spent
wisely.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
having
a
productive
interim
that
leads
into
a
really
exceptional
regular
session.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
Thank
you,
and
it
was
good
to
see
you
guys
again.
I
represent
district
33,
which
is
right
now,
if
you
look
at
it
with
the
new
district,
would
be
half
the
state
from
the
utah
border,
idaho
border
up
into
humboldt
all
the
way
down,
wraps
around
clark
and
hits
the
other
end
of
the
state.
So
that's
half
the
state.
Basically,
I
look
forward
to
this
we're
having
a
lot
of
problems
in
rural
nevada
right
now
with
infrastructure,
mostly
communications.
D
That's
why
I'm
here
today
in
carson
is
because
we
can't
keep
the
computers
up
and
running
very
long,
so
there's
new,
there's
new
companies
moving
in
and
it's
exciting.
What's
going
to
happen
for
rural
nevada
and
the
amount
of
money,
that's
going
to
be
put
out
there
for
some
of
the
infrastructure.
So
thank
you
and
I
look
forward
to
this.
C
I'm
chair,
glenn
levitt,
assembly,
district
23,
that's
the
southern
tip
of
the
state.
C
I
really
enjoy
this
committee
and
what
we
do
infrastructure
so
important
transportation,
energy
and
just
making
sure
that
we
we
support.
We
support
all
of
our
businesses
and
that
we
we
spend
the
money
that
that's
given
to
us
wisely.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you.
I
am
assemblyman
cameron,
c.h
miller.
I
represent
assembly
district
7,
which
is
in
the
southern
part
of
the
state
right
on
the
cusp
of
bordering
las
vegas
and
north
las
vegas.
Primarily,
my
district
is
in
north
las
vegas,
but
I
do
represent
some
fine
folks,
also
in
the
las
vegas
in
the
city
of
las
vegas
priorities.
For
me
with
being
on
this
committee.
It
is
my
first
time
on
the
committee.
E
I
am
a
freshman
legislator,
and,
what's
really
important
to
me
is
when
we
talk
about
growth
and
infrastructure
is
technology
and
the
intersection
that
the
the
emphasis
that
technology
has
on
our
energy
transportation
and
our
businesses,
and
as
well
as
communications,
like
assemblyman
ellison,
mentioned
across
the
state,
so
making
sure
that
our
technological
infrastructure
is
up
to
par,
to
welcome
all
the
new
nevadans
that
are
coming
and
further
enhance
the
experience
of
being
in
nevada
and
for
those
that
are
already
here.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
assembly,
member
howard
watts.
I
represent
district
15
currently
in
the
central
east
part
of
clark
county.
I've
had
the
privilege
of
serving
on
the
assembly,
growth
and
infrastructure
committee
in
both
of
my
terms
in
the
assembly
and
last
session,
also
had
the
honor
of
being
vice
chair
of
the
assembly
committee.
G
You
know
I
share
the
enthusiasm
of
many
of
my
colleagues
at
the
infusion
of
federal
dollars
and
the
opportunities
that
has
to
bring
additional
infrastructure
improvements
to
our
state,
I'm
particularly
interested
in
making
sure
that
we
close
some
of
the
disparities
that
exist
in
access
to
that
infrastructure
for
assemblyman
ellison
mentioned
getting
broadband
out
to
rural
communities
in
all
of
our
communities.
G
A
Thank
you
and
welcome,
and
I'm
assemblywoman
danielle
monroe
moreno.
I
represent
assembly
district
1,
which
is
primarily
in
the
city
of
north
las
vegas
and
I'm
honored
to
serve
once
again.
As
the
chair
of
this
interim
committee,
I
have
also
served
as
the
chair
of
the
growth
and
infrastructure
committee
during
the
legislative
session.
A
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
all
of
the
members
on
this
committee,
as
well
as
those
that
will
be
joining
us,
virtually
looking
forward
to
getting
updates
about
legislation
that
we've
been
able
to
pass
and
how
that's
working,
but
also
the
discussions
of
how
we
continue
moving
nevada
forward
with
other
options.
That's
been
talked
about
by
many
of
the
members
as
they
introduce
themselves
in
the
areas
of
infrastructure,
transportation
and
energy.
A
I
thank
all
those
in
advance,
whether
you're
a
person,
a
group
or
an
organization
that
will
come
before
us
to
present
information.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
over
the
next
few
months
and
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
as
mentioned.
There's
a
lot
of
money
coming
into
the
state
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
use
it
wisely
and
that
we
we
take
care
of
some
of
those
sustainable
issues
facing
our
state.
A
For
those
of
you
who
are
joining
us,
virtually
our
meetings
will
be
long,
be
patient
with
us,
but
they'll
be
exciting.
We
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
committee
staff,
our
legislative
council
bureau
staff,
we
have
miss
margie
thompson,
who
is
our
committee
policy
analyst,
ms
jesse
jessica
dahmer?
Who
is
our
legal
counsel?
Ms
julie
waller?
Is
our
fiscal
analyst
and
christina
harper?
Is
our
committee
secretary
before
we
get
the
meeting
started?
A
Members.
Please
keep
your
videos
turned
on
during
the
meeting
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
form
and
be
sure
to
mute
your
microphone
when
you
are
not
speaking
to
minimize
any
background
noise
and
you
may
hear
a
dog
or
two.
In
my
background,
I'll
apologize
ahead
of
time.
Meeting
materials
can
be
accessed
on
the
committee's
webpage.
A
Anyone
who
would
like
to
receive
an
electronic
notification
of
and
access
the
committee's
agendas.
Our
minutes
and
final
report
can
do
so.
By
signing
up
on
the
legislative
website,
there
will
be
a
public
comment
period
at
the
beginning
and
at
the
end
of
our
meetings,
the
public
comment
is
limited
to
only
three
minutes
per
speaker.
A
A
A
C
C
Caller,
with
the
last
three
digits
of
one
five
five,
you
are
unmuted
on
our
end,
please
go
ahead.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
christy
cabrera
and
I'm
the
advocacy
and
policy
director
for
the
nevada
conservation
league
we'd
like
to
thank
the
legislature
for
your
leadership
and
commitment
to
fighting
the
climate
crisis.
Climate
change
is
the
greatest
threat
to
nevada's
future.
It
is
threatening
our
water
supply,
habitat
and
landscape.
C
Extreme
heat
and
wildfire
are
harming
our
health,
our
workers
and
our
businesses
to
meet
the
ambitious
but
necessary
climate
goals
of
100
clean
power
and
zero
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
2050
that
were
set
by
governors
to
select
and
the
legislature.
We
must
move
away
from
all
fossil
fuels
as
quickly
as
possible.
C
In
order
to
do
this,
nevada
needs
an
updated,
state-of-the-art
electricity
grid
and
the
ability
to
move
clean,
renewable
energy
across
state
lines.
Today,
you'll
be
hearing
presentations
about
the
possibilities
and
benefits
of
a
western
regional
energy
market.
In
addition
to
allowing
us
to
utilize
more
clean
energy
across
the
west,
regional
markets
can
also
help
us
keep
energy
costs,
low,
boost
our
economy
and
provide
more
reliable
energy
nevada
families
deserve
access
to
clean
energy,
clean
air
and
clean
environment.
C
Joining
a
western
regional
electricity
market
will
allow
us
to
sell
our
excess
solar
to
other
states,
and
it
will
get
us
closer
to
achieving
our
climate
and
carbon
reduction
goals
while
creating
a
cleaner,
healthier
state
for
all
nevadans.
We
cannot
fight
the
climate
crisis
without
the
legislature's,
continued
leadership
and
dedication
to
nevada's
climate
goals.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Today.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee.
For
the
record.
My
name
is
kyle
davis,
and
I
appear
today
on
behalf
of
the
inner
west
energy
alliance.
Interwest
is
the
regional
trade
association
focused
on
promoting
market
development
for
large-scale
renewable
energy
companies,
including
solar,
wind,
geothermal
battery
storage
and
transmission
developers
and
manufacturers?
D
We
were
excited
to
support
sb
448
in
nevada
during
the
2021
legislative
session,
and
we're
happy
to
hear
these
presentations
from
our
colleagues
expressing
the
many
benefits
of
participation
in
a
potential
western
market.
Interwest
believes
strongly
in
the
importance
of
joining
an
expanded
regional
wholesale
electricity
market.
D
The
issues
of
western
states
are
intertwined
and
can
be
best
met
through
collaboration
and
dialogue,
principles
that
were
envisioned
through
the
passing
of
sb
448
and
the
regional
transmission
task
force
as
the
west
experiences.
A
changing
climate
and
legacy
resources
become
less
dependable
and
more
expensive
into
the
future.
D
A
A
C
B
Today
we
have
prepared
a
committee
brief,
which
has
been
uploaded
to
the
materials
page
of
the
website,
so
that
members
can
follow
along
assembly
bill
443
of
the
2021
session
created
the
joint
interim
committee
on
growth
and
infrastructure,
the
jurisdiction
and
memberships
of
the
standing
senate
and
assembly
committee
on
growth
and
infrastructure
are
reflected
in
the
committee.
B
The
legislative
commission
approved
up
to
five
meetings
for
the
growth
and
infrastructure
committee.
On
page
four
of
the
committee
break.
Are
the
tentative
meeting
dates?
Additionally,
the
committee
has
been
may
request
up
to
10
bill
draft
requests
on
issues
that
address
transportation
and
energy,
and
the
committee
must
conclude
its
work
by
august
31st,
20,
20
22..
B
So
just
briefly,
the
this
committee
considers
topics
related
to
transportation
and
energy,
which
include
highways,
roads
and
bridges,
mass
transit
projects,
motor
carriers,
motor
vehicles,
traffic
safety
and
laws.
Energy
policy,
public
utilities
and
renewable
energy
policy
and
programs
just
to
name
a
few
there.
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
there
are
some
relevant
reports
that
members
may
want
to
familiarize
themselves
with.
These
are
located
on
page
two,
three
and
four
of
the
committee
brief.
They
include
reports
by
the
legislative
auditor
by
legislative
committees,
executive
branch
agency
and
board.
B
So
if
members
are
unable
to
access
those
reports,
please
let
me
know
I
would
be
happy
to
get
them
for
you.
And
finally,
there
are
some
priority
issues
of
study.
This
interim
and
some
of
those
are
based
on
some
of
the
bills
that
went
through
during
the
legislative
session.
B
B
Some
of
the
measures
may
not
have
gone
to
both
committees
and
may
have
been
referred
to
other
committees,
like
the
revenue
committee
or
one
of
the
money
committees,
some
of
the
other
policy
committees,
including
government
affairs
or
judiciary,
but
several
of
those
bills.
This
session,
which
we'll
be
studying
once
again
during
this
interim,
related
to
the
dmv,
such
as
funding
and
modernization,
special
license,
plates
transportation,
network
companies,
towing
traffic
safety,
impaired
driving
transportation
funding
and
on
the
energy
portion.
B
There
were
several
bills
and
some
which
you'll
hear
updates
today,
which
related
to
energy
and
infrastructure
and
renewable
energy,
energy
efficiency,
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
motor
vehicle
emissions
and
broadband
access.
And,
finally,
on
page
four
of
the
committee
brief,
our
contact
informations
for
contact
information
for
staff.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
or
jesse
or
julie
and
we'd
be
happy
to
help.
You.
C
B
With
that,
that
concludes
my
remarks
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
A
All
right,
it
seems
that
you
covered
everything
perfectly.
Thank
you
so
much,
and
with
that
we
will
move
on
to
our
first
presentation
or
the
morning
we
will
have
a
presentation
with
the:
u
pc
n.
I
believe
we
have
joining
us,
miss
stephanie
mullen
and
mr
garrett
rare.
So
if
you
two
are
ready,
the
floor
is
yours
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
on
our
first
meeting
great.
H
Good
morning
madam
chair
and
vice
chair
harris
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
I
am
stephanie
mullen
executive
director
of
the
public
utilities.
Commission
and,
as
you
mentioned
with
me,
is
mr
garrett.
We
are
general
counsel
today
we're
going
to
share
an
overview
of
the
agency's
operations
and
structure,
including
types
of
proceedings
and
industries
that
the
pucn
regulates,
as
well
as
to
provide
an
update
on
implementation
from
legislation
during
the
2021
session.
H
H
The
pucn
regulates
approximately
400
investor-owned
utilities
engaged
in
electric
natural
gas,
telecommunications,
water
and
wastewater
services,
gas
and
electric
master
meter
services
at
mobile
home
parks
and
some
propane
systems
promoting
and
ensuring
safe
utility
operations
is
a
foundational
pucn
mandate.
This
includes
monitoring
gas
pipeline
safety,
including
monitoring
the
design,
construction,
operation
and
maintenance
of
gas
systems
and
underground
excavation.
H
H
H
In
response
to
the
unprecedented
challenges
of
the
coba
19
pandemic
in
2021,
the
pucn
maintained
the
agency's
commitment
to
providing
vital
public
services
and
ensuring
a
viable
utility
regulatory
environment
measures
first
implemented
in
2020,
continued
well
into
2021
and
somewhat
into
2022.
So
far,
adjustments
included
new
work
from
home
schedules
and
remote
working
procedures.
H
In
accordance
with
the
governor's
emergency
directives,
public
commenting
requirements
were
maintained
with
the
implementation
of
special
telephone
lines,
so
the
public
could
call
in
during
commission
meetings
and
consumer
sessions
main
puc
office
phone
lines
also
continue
to
be
staffed,
allowing
the
public
to
receive
needed
information
and
assistance
with
services
provided
by
the
pucn's
consumer
complaint
resolution,
division
and
business
offices
via
its
website.
The
pucn
continued
to
offer
many
additional
services,
including
access
to
filings
online
forms,
links
to
video
and
audio
live
streaming
of
proceedings.
H
H
And
now
I'm
going
to
go
move
on
to
the
organizational
structure,
which
also
plays
a
very
important
role
in
meeting
requirements.
Self
set
forth
by
the
agency.
The
105
full-time
employees
are
contained
in
two
distinct
parts
within
the
agency.
They
are
the
commission
and
the
regulatory
operations
staff.
H
The
commission
is
a
quasi-judicial
three-person
panel
appointed
by
the
governor
in
staggered
four-year
terms.
Our
current
commissioners,
chair,
haley
williamson,
commissioner
cj
manthe
and
commissioner
tammy
cordova,
preside
over
contested
cases
and
make
decisions
regarding
the
operations
of
public
utilities.
H
Careful
attention
is
given
to
ensure
the
independence
of
staff
and
the
commission
is
prohibited
from
communicating
with
staff
in
any
manner
that
undermines
the
due
process.
Rights
of
other
parties,
however,
because
the
commission
and
staff
are
housed
within
the
same
agency.
They
share
certain
administrative
support
for
matters
unrelated
to
respective
roles
as
decision
maker
and
litigant
in
contested
cases.
H
And
finally,
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
quick
note
on
funding.
It's
important
to
know
that
the
pucn
is
funded
through
an
annual
regulatory
assessment
or
mill
assessment
and
does
not
compete
for
general
funds
or
money.
The
mill
assessment
is
an
annual
collection
that
is
made
based
on
the
revenues
for
utilities
that
operate
within
the
state.
I
I
apologize,
I
was
muted,
so
for
the
record,
I'm
garrett
weir
general
counsel,
for
the
public
utilities,
commission,
I'm
going
to
walk
through
the
types
of
proceedings
that
the
commission
holds
and
the
various
types
of
services
that
the
commission
regulates.
I
I
Most
of
the
contested
cases
at
the
pucn
are
applications
submitted
by
utilities,
the
most
prominent
of
which
are
rate
cases
and
requests
related
to
resource
planning.
Resource
planning
is
a
process
through
which
the
commission
determines
future
needs
for
utility
service
and
approves
a
prudent
course
of
action
for
ensuring
that
utilities
will
be
prepared
to
satisfy
those
needs.
I
I
And,
finally,
the
commission
regularly
conducts
investigations
to
examine
matters
related
to
utility
service.
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
all
right.
The
electric
sector
that
the
commission
regulates
primarily
involves
two
electric
utilities
in
the
state
that
provide
regulated
retail
service.
Those
utilities
are
nevada
power
company
in
the
south
and
sierra
pacific
power
company
in
the
north,
and
they
both
do
business
under
the
name
nv
energy
for
the
rural
cooperative
associations
that
provide
electric
service
within
the
state.
The
commission's
regulatory
jurisdiction
is
limited
to
their
service
territory,
boundaries.
I
I
The
rates
charged
to
customers
of
electric
service
consist
of
various
components
intended
to
recover
particular
costs.
The
largest
component,
which
appears
on
your
bill
as
electric
consumption,
includes
fuel
and
purchase
power
costs
and
all
other
general
costs
of
operating
utility,
not
specifically
collected
by
another
rate,
other
rate
components,
recover
costs
associated
with
legislatively
mandated
programs
related
to
renewable
energy,
energy
efficiency,
natural
disaster
protection
and
low
income
assistance.
I
Finally,
it's
important
for
customers
and
policy
makers
to
recognize
that
rate.
Making
issues
are
generally
zero
sum
in
nature.
There
are
rarely
win-win
outcomes
when
parties
are
arguing
about
who
should
pay
for
costs
that
were
incurred
by
a
utility?
Allocating
fewer
costs
to
one
party
will
result
in
allocating
greater
costs
to
another.
Inevitably,
the
losers
in
the
decision-making
process
will
be
unhappy
with
the
results
causing
the
pucn
to
regularly
draw
the
ire
of
nearly
every
industry
and
type
of
utility
customer
within
the
state
for
parties
who
believe
that
a
commission
decision
is
inequitable
or
unlawful.
I
I
I
For
these
utilities,
the
pucn
holds
proceedings
that
set
rates
and
implement
legislative
policies
such
as
the
promotion
of
energy
conservation
and
the
use
of
renewable
natural
gas.
The
pucn
also
licenses
alternative
sellers
of
natural
gas
who
provide
service
to
large
industrial
and
commercial
users
in
the
state.
I
As
with
electric
utilities,
natural
gas
utilities
recover
the
cost
to
purchase
fuel.
That
is
the
natural
gas
that
they
sell
to
customers
on
just
a
dollar
for
dollar
basis.
They
aren't
allowed
to
mark
up
the
cost
of
the
natural
gas
that
they
sell.
The
return
on
their
investments
is
or
the
well.
The
return
is
on
the
investments
that
they've
made
in
the
infrastructure
necessary
to
deliver
the
natural
gas.
I
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide
in
the
sector
of
water
and
wastewater.
The
pucn's
primary
regulatory
activities
include
ensuring
the
delivery
of
clean,
safe
and
reliable
service
to
customers
at
reasonable
rates.
The
pucn
monitors
the
quality
of
service,
environmental
compliance
and
financial
performance.
I
The
commission
regularly
or
the
commission
fully
regulates
the
rates,
service,
quality
and
service
territories
of
27
investor,
owned
water
and
wastewater
utilities
in
the
state
serving
approximately
23
000
customers.
I
I
For
rail,
as
executive
director
mullen
mentioned,
the
commission
has
personnel
who
regularly
perform
inspections
and
have
specialized
training
in
the
areas
of
inspection
that
enforce
federal
regulations.
Those
disciplines
include
operations,
practice,
inspection
motive,
power
and
equipment,
track,
inspection
and
hazardous
material
inspection.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
For
telecommunication,
which
is
largely
a
deregulated
utility
service,
the
commission
does
fully
regulate
fully
rate,
regulate
certain
small
scale
providers
within
the
state.
In
rural
areas
there
are
10
of
those
and
the
rest
of
the
commission's
322
telecommunications
providers
are
comprised
of
incumbent
local
exchange
carriers
and
competitive
suppliers.
The
commission
does
not
regulate
the
rate
regulate
those
entities.
I
It
regulates
programs
that
some
of
those
entities
are
able
to
draw
from
federally
and
at
the
state
level.
However,
for
example,
there
are
30
eligible
telecommunication
carriers
in
the
state
which
are
able
to
access
federal
lifeline
program,
funding
26
of
those
receive
federal
lifeline
support
to
provide
discounted
telecommunications
services
to
low-income
customers,
including
mobile
service
and
broadband
access.
I
I
The
pcn
embraces
its
changing
role,
which
now
includes
facilitating
innovation,
where
appropriate
to
advance
the
public
interest.
Increasingly,
the
commission
is
faced
with
unprecedented
proposals
that
require
problem,
solving
and
thoughtful
consideration
of
costs,
benefits
and
risks
to
advance
public
policy,
while
protecting
ratepayers
and
with
that,
my
portion
of
the
presentation
is
concluded.
I'm
going
to
hand
it
back
to
director
mullen
who
will
be
providing
a
brief
update
regarding
the
commission's
implementation
of
legislation
from
last
session,
with
the
exception
of
sp
448,
which
I
will
address
later
during
agenda
item
6..
H
All
right
for
the
record
stephanie
mullin
executive
director
of
the
public
utilities,
commission,
thank
you,
garrett,
and,
as
he
mentioned,
I
was
going
to
provide
a
brief
overview
of
where
we
are
at
with
the
recent
legislation
passed
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
with
sb14.
H
Sb18
significantly
updates
the
commission's
maximum
administrative
fines
for
violations.
The
fines
increase
from
a
maximum
of
one
thousand
per
day
to
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
day,
with
a
cumulative
cap
of
two
million
for
gas
storage
or
transportation,
violations
of
a
commission
regulation
for
other
violations
of
rule
regulation
order
or
providing
materially
inaccurate
or
misleading
information.
The
daily
cap
is
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
day
and
two
million
for
a
series
of
violations.
H
The
amount
of
administrative
fines
assessed
previously
by
the
commission
for
similar
violations
and
such
other
factors
as
necessary
to
determine
the
reasonableness
of
the
administrative.
Fine,
sb
59
clarifies
that
briefing
schedule
for
petitions
for
judicial
review
decisions
by
the
pucn
is
limited
to
an
opening
brief
and
responsive
brief.
Only
and
that
no
reply
brief
may
be
filed.
The
clarification
is
significant
because
the
commission
is
exempt
from
the
judicial
review
process
of
the
nevada
administrative
procedures
act,
which
permits
a
reply
brief
to
be
filed.
H
Sb
77
exempts
from
the
requirements
of
the
open
meeting
law
certain
meetings
conducted
by
a
public
body
engaged
in
pre-decisional
and
deliberative
discussions
relating
to
an
action
under
the
federal
national
environmental
policy
act
of
1969,
including
without
limitation.
The
review
and
discussion
of
drafts
of
environmental
impact
statements
describing
the
environmental
effects
of
proposed
actions
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
public
body.
H
H
To
implement
this
bill,
the
workshop
is
set
for
march
17
2022
at
10
am
ab-154
modernizes
notification
by
public
utilities
to
include
electronic
notices.
Ab154
further
eliminates
the
requirement
of
fluorescent
bill
stuffers
for
notices
and
statements
and
requires
that
rate
adjustments
be
in
clear
and
bold
text,
regardless
of
the
method
of
transmission.
H
If
the
employee
is
engaged
in
a
type
of
work
for
a
public
utility
company
that
the
pucn
has
determined
requires
a
license
prior
to
the
passage
of
ab173
employees
of
interstate
or
interstate
public
utility
companies
were
exempt
from
licensing
requirements.
While
they
were
engaged
in
work
for
those
companies.
H
A
Thank
you
so
much.
I
know
for
all
of
the
members
of
this
committee.
They've
all
served
during
the
regular
session
on
growth
and
infrastructure,
but
you
you
can't
have
enough
information.
I
appreciate
the
update
and
for
those
watching
that
may
not
have
known
what
the
pucn
does
now
you
do.
Members
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
presenters
the
information
presented.
If
you
do
just
raise
your
hand,
assemblyman
watts.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
miss
mullen,
mr
weir,
for
the
presentation
you
mentioned
during
the
presentation.
You
know
that
there
are
through
the
through
these
dockets
a
lot
of
kind
of
new
emerging
issues,
so
you
spoke,
I
think,
with
great
detail
about
kind
of
the
implementation
of
legislation.
Are
there
other
emerging
issues
that
are
coming
up
through
the
commission?
And
specifically,
you
know.
G
I
know
that
the
commission
has
started
to
integrate
climate
goals
into
its
organizational
planning,
and
so,
if
you
could
just
speak
to
you
know
any
emerging
issues
and
how
climate
is
and
our
state
climate
goals
are,
are
starting
to
be
integrated
into
kind
of
the
considerations
of
various
utility
dockets.
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful.
Thank
you.
I
All
right
for
the
record,
this
is
garrett
weir.
Thank
you,
assemblyman
watts,
so
I
guess
first,
you
you
hit
directly
on
one
of
the
issues
related
to
climate
goals
is,
is
the
way
in
which
the
commission
and
utilities
need
to
plan
long
term
to
achieve
those
goals.
That's
something
that's
requiring
us
to
look
at
things
differently
than
we
have
historically
and
for
utilities
to
to
think
about
carbon
emissions
and
and
what
it
will
take
to
allow
systems
to
reduce
their
reliance
on
those
non-renewable
resources.
I
So
you
know,
and
that
affects
more
than
just
the
electric
sector,
the
natural
gas
sector,
you
know,
obviously
relies
on
a
carbon
emitting
fuel,
and
so
the
commission
is
undertaking
an
investigation
right
now.
That's
pending
at
the
commission.
I
That's
docket
number
21-0502,
where
we're
looking
at
some
of
the
long-term
planning,
the
questions
that
are
that
arise
from
these
climate
goals
and
then
just
every
frankly,
every
resource
planning
proceeding
we
have
for
electric
utilities
is
increasingly
taking
into
account
those
climate
related
goals.
I
You
know
we
have
new
components.
It
seems
like
almost
every
legislative
session
that
are
added
to
the
resource
planning
process.
You
know
we
for
the
first
time
we
had
a
comprehensive
distributed
resource
plan
that
was
examined
within
this
last
or
this
well
yeah.
I
guess
this
last
resource
plan
that
is
impartially
ruled
upon.
There's.
I
You
know
recent
and
we'll
talk
about
this
in
the
upcoming
agenda
item,
but
there's
a
transmission
component
that
is
largely
motivated
by
the
ability
to
access
renewable
resources
in
other
markets,
and
then
you
have
even
electric
vehicle
infrastructure
planning
is
another
component
of
the
resource
planning
process.
That's
been
incorporated,
but
you
know
that's
in
just
from
a
system
system,
operation
standpoint,
just
the
very
fundamental
part
of
regulating
utilities.
I
That's
a
major!
You
know
those
are
changes
that
we're
seeing
regularly
and
then
you
know
somewhat
relatedly.
We
see
customer
preferences
changing
where
certain
customers
are
wanting
to
receive
service,
that
is,
carbon
free
in
the
youth,
in
the
resources
that
are
relied
upon
and
we're
also
seeing
customer
preferences
or
expectations
change
as
to
pricing
the
way
in
which
they
take
their
their
utility
service.
I
So
you
know
just
those
are
a
few
of
the
the
changing
innovative
concepts
that
are
coming
before
the
commission
and
as
I've
mentioned
it,
a
lot
of
the
proposals
are
are
unprecedented,
not
just
in
nevada
but
anywhere
and
so
we're
on
the
forefront
of
some
really
interesting
times.
And
it's
it's
exciting
for
us.
But
it
is
challenging
for
sure.
E
Thank
you
chair.
My
question
kind
of
builds
upon
assemblyman
watts,
question
and
the
added
kind
of
roles
and
responsibilities
that
the
commission
has
over
the
last
several
years
and
and
do
you
and
I
know
that
the
the
agency
is
funded
through
the
the
mill
rate
assessment
and
not
in
the
general
fund.
H
I
think
that
our
mill,
I
think
it's
currently
at
3.13,
is
what
we
started
out
last
may
our
cap,
as
you
all,
are
aware,
is
3.5,
so
we're
well
under
our
cap
at
this
moment,
and
all
of
this
is
subject
to
change
based
on
the
needs
of
the
agency
bills
that
are
passed
positions
that
we
gain
fluctuating
gas
prices
with
gas
prices
as
high
as
they've
been
you
know,
we've
seen
we've
been
able
to
collect
what
we
need,
but
it's
hard
to
say
I
think
that's
kind
of
upped
up
to
the
legislature
and
and
and
the
asks
that
we
have
moving
forward.
H
I
don't
know,
mr,
where
do
you
have
anything
to
add.
I
Well,
I
might
just
add
we
do
our
best,
as
miss
mullen
mentioned,
to
ensure
that
that
we
can
fund
the
agency.
You
know
we
we
actually
there
were
some
benefits
from
a
cost
standpoint
or
you
know,
given
the
over
the
pandemic,
we
certainly
had
some
reductions,
I
believe
in
in
costs,
but
we
we
also
saw
revenues
increase
for
some
of
the
utilities
because
of
the
price
of
natural
gas
increasing
and
again
that
mill
assessment
is
applied
to
revenues.
I
Not
you
know
the
net
profits
of
a
utility,
and
so,
but
certainly
we
have
been
exploring
how
we
can
ensure
that
long
term,
the
the
agency
can
be
adequately
funded
and-
and
there
are
some
statutory
restrictions
that
could
in
the
future,
jeopardize
the
agency's
ability
to
to
be
adequately
funded.
If
things
should
change,
and
so,
while
right
now,
we
aren't
facing
a
crisis.
We
certainly
want
to
avoid
a
crisis
in
the
future,
and
so
we've
been
looking
at.
I
It's
not
just
possible
changes
to
the
way
that
the
mill
assessment
is
designed
right
now
in
statute,
but
but
even
trying
to
be
creative
and
examining
how
we
might
be
able
to
fund
the
agency
more
through
fees
for
filing
fees.
Other
things
that
could
reflect
more
or
could
could
create
revenue
based
on
the
extent
to
which
the
agency,
based
basically
on
the
the
types
of
work
that
the
commission's
doing
and
you
have
the
applicants
paying
a
more
proportionate
share
of
the
agency's
costs
as
a
result.
A
Seeing
then
I
thank
you
both
for
the
presentation
and
I
know
we'll
be
seeing
you
a
little
later
in
our
agenda
with
that.
We
will
close
the
presentation
on
agenda
item
four
and
move
on
to
agenda
item
five,
which
will
be
an
update
of
the
implementation
of
the
expanded
solar
access
program,
also
called
the
esap.
A
As
many
of
you
may
recall.
During
the
2019
legislature,
we
passed
assembly
bill
465,
which
required
certain
electric
utilities
to
offer
an
expanded
solar
access
program
to
residential
customers
and
to
certain
non-residential
customers
who
consume
less
than
10
000
kilowatt
hours
of
electricity
per
month.
The
public
utilities
commission
of
nevada
was
required
to
adopt
regulations
establishing
the
standards
for
the
program.
A
First,
we
will
hear
from
cynthia.
I'm
gonna
kill
your
last
name,
so
I'm
not
even
gonna.
Try
to
pronounce
it
I'll.
Have
you
do
that
with
nevada
energy,
about
the
implementing
of
the
program
and
following
her
presentation
would
be
carlene,
johnson
and
roberto
tapia
with
the
employment
security
division
of
the
department
of
employment
and
training
and
rehabilitation
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
workforce
development
component
of
the
program?
J
Okay,
there,
I
am
no
worries.
Good
morning,
madam
chair
vice
chair
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
cynthia
alejandre
and
I
am
the
director
of
contract
management
and
special
programs
here
at
nv
energy.
I
am
very
excited
to
be
here
with
all
of
you
this
morning
and
provide
this
update
on
the
expanded
solar
access
program
where
we
stand
on
the
implementation
and
what
our
next
steps
are
so
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen,
hoping
that
I
do
this
correctly.
J
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
assume
that
my
screen
is
being
shared,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
So,
like
chairwoman,
monroe
moreno
mentioned
assembly
bill
465
was
enacted
in
2019,
which
required
in
the
energy
to
offer
this
program
to
certain
residential
non-residential
customers
that
essentially
breaks
up
into
three
types
of
categories.
Low-Income
customers
are
disadvantaged
businesses
and
non-profits,
as
well
as
the
eligible
premise
customers,
as
defined
for
the
legislation.
J
Envy
energy
was
at
the
forefront
of
supporting
this
legislation
in
2019,
as
well
as
the
number
of
stakeholders
which
include
chispa,
nevada,
the
organizing
alliance,
nevada
conservation
league
and
a
few
others
which
also
participated
in
the
rule
making
for
the
expanded,
solar
access
program
or
esap.
J
The
way
we
like
to
call
it
like
the
assembly
woman
mentioned
esap
is
intended
to
offer
our
residential
and
non-residential
customers
the
opportunity
to
have
their
electric
consumption
come
from
a
mix
of
utility,
large-scale
renewable
energy
projects,
as
well
as
these
community-based
solar
resources,
which
are
projects
that
will
be
located
in
certain
areas
within
the
state
that
are
no
greater
than
one
megawatt
in
size.
J
J
J
J
As
you
can
see
here,
the
quick
schedule
we
had
testimony
filed
in
march,
our
participating
parties
also
filed
their
respective
testimonies
april
22.
We
filed
our
rebuttal.
Testimony
may
7th,
with
the
hearing
ultimately
on
may
22nd
at
2021..
We
did
receive
final
approval
of
our
plan
with
certain
modifications
on
june
29th
2021..
J
J
J
So,
like
I
briefly
mentioned
earlier,
esap
contains
three
customer
categories
in
which
eligible
applicants
can
apply
into.
We
have
the
low
income
eligible
customer
category,
the
disadvantaged
business
or
non-profit
organization
category
and
the
eligible
premise
customer
category,
as
you
can
see
here,
there's
a
particular
criteria
that
need
to
be
met
by
the
applicants
to
determine
which
category
they
would
fall
under
for
esap.
I
also
want
to
make
note
that
the
low-income
eligible
customer
category
is
the
only
category
that
is
guaranteed
a
lower
rate
per
legislation.
J
Furthermore,
each
category
has
certain
capacity
amounts
allocated
as
outlined
per
ab465
for
nevada
power
company.
The
total
capacity
allocation
is
240,
000
megawatt
hours
and
for
sierra
pacific
power
company
the
total
capacity
allocation
is
160
000
megawatt
hours.
These
capacity
amounts
are
further
broken
down
by
each
of
these
three
categories
that
I
described
earlier,
and
you
can
see
here
on
the
chart
how
they're
broken
up
so,
for
example,
for
nevada
power
company.
J
The
low
income
eligible
category
has
60
000
megawatt
hours
allocated
to
that
particular
category
from
the
240
000
megawatt
total.
So
we
just
break
it
up
here
so
that
it's
easy
to
see.
The
other
thing
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
was
not
to
exceed
the
capacity
amount
that's
allocated
to,
so
that
we
don't
contradict
or
go
above
the
limits
as
allowed
for
ad465.
J
So
we
have
a
10
capacity
reserve
for
each
category.
So
that
means
that,
although
this
low
income
category
under
nevada
power
is
60
000
megawatt
hours,
we
keep
in
mind
a
10
reserve,
so
the
total
ends
up
being
closer
to
the
54
000
megawatt
hours.
That's
just
to
make
sure
that
customers
who
are
part
of
this
program,
if
their
energy
needs
increase
in
one
particular
year,
we
don't
exceed
that
limit.
J
To
give
you
a
bit
of
a
timeline
here,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
have
the
few
dates
that
when
we
submitted
the
plan
when
we
received
approval
and
then
of
course
when
we
actually
implemented
the
plan,
as
you
can
see,
we
had
about
a
month
to
implement
the
approved
plan
directives.
J
We
were
very
excited
to
get
that
approval
and
start
working
on
how
we
plan
to
implement
this,
and
we
did
start
our
community
outreach
on
august,
2nd
again
like
I
mentioned
here,
and
I
can
go
into
a
little
bit
more
of
a
detail
in
the
other
slides,
but
the
application
submittal
period
for
our
customers
to
enroll
was
between
september
1
and
october
31
of
2021.
J
We
did
this
review
during
that
time
frame,
but
gave
ourselves
an
extra
month
to
be
able
to
process
any
applications
that
came
in
towards
the
end
of
october.
The
selection
process
occurred
between
december
1
and
december
10th.
A
result
of
these
customers,
whether
they
were
accepted
into
esap,
occurred
between
december
11th
and
december
31,
and
the
program
is
effective.
J
J
J
J
So,
to
get
a
little
bit
more
into
the
customer
enrollment
process,
so
our
applicant
submitted
their
esap
application
and
the
related
documentation
that
provided
information
on
how
they
met
the
eligibility
criteria
for
whatever
category
they
were
applying
for
occurred
between
september
1
and
october.
31.
customers
were
able
to
apply
via
mail,
and
we
also
would
mail
out
an
application
if
requested,
or
they
could
send
an
email
to
esap
mdenergy.com.
J
We
tried
to
make
it
rather
easy
for
someone
who
wanted
to
apply
online
by
being
able
to
click
on
our
website,
and
it
would
pop
up
where
it
would
go
to
and
make
sure
that
it
reminded
applicants
that
the
documentation
had
to
be
provided
as
well.
So
we
are
working
on
improving
that
process,
but
it
did.
J
We
did
see
a
lot
of
applications
come
through
that
in
that
manner,
when
we
did
receive
applications,
we
reviewed
them
to
determine
any
eligibility
if
they
met
the
eligibility
requirements
or
if
they
were
deficiencies
depending
on
whether
the
customer
is
eligible
or
deficient,
we
would
provide
them
with
either
a
notice
of
eligibility
or
a
notice
of
deficiency.
J
The
notice
of
deficit
deficiency
really
focused
more
on
either
a
customer
not
providing
an
attached
document,
or
we
just
received
the
wrong
application,
or
we
only
received
the
application
so
again
to
make
sure
that
the
customer
met
the
eligibility
criteria
for
this
categories.
They
had
to
provide
supporting
documentation,
as
outlined
in
the
application.
J
So
do
you
want
to
give
a
quick
overview
of
the
final
customer
enrollment
results
and
keeping
in
mind
that
this
program
is
new,
very
early
in
its
infancy?
You
know,
statewide.
There
were
a
lot
of
events
that
occurred
during
the
time
frame
of
open
enrollment,
and
we
do
believe
that
now
that
we've
gone
through
at
least
one
round
that
we
are
better
able
to
focus
our
marketing
efforts
based
on
what
we
saw.
J
This
is
where
we
received
the
most
interest,
which
is
what
we
expected,
given
that
this
is
the
category
that
guarantees
a
lower
rate.
So
we
did
receive
a
total
number
of
applicants.
I'll
just
provide
an
example
for
nevada
power
of
1672.
J
That
means
that
the
other
customers
either
did
not
provide
the
documentation
needed,
or
they
did
not
meet
the
eligibility
criteria
out
of
the
total
amount
that
were
eligible
that
totaled
up
to
about
16
215
megawatt
hours
of
consumption
for
that
category.
J
J
So
on
the
community-based
solar
resources,
I
kind
of
consider
esab
a
two-prong
plan.
We
have
the
customer
enrollment
part,
which
is
really
focused
on
getting
customers
to
participate
in
asap,
and
then
we
have
the
community-based
solar
resources
portion.
This
is
what
actually
launched
as
of
august
2nd
of
2021
and
per
ab465.
J
On
august
2nd,
we
launched
our
first
nomination
period
and
you
can
see
that
we
received
a
total
of
13
nominations
for
southern
nevada
and
seven
nominations
for
northern
nevada.
We
were
very
excited
to
see
the
interest
in
the
sites
that
were
nominated,
especially
given
that
we
had
about
a
month
from
when
the
order
was
finalized
to
get
everything
ready
and
and
launch
our
first
part
of
esa
here's
kind
of
a
timeline
of
our
cbsr
process.
J
Our
nomination
period
ended
september
10th
of
2021
and
nv
energy
conducted
the
scoring
of
all
the
nominated
sites
by
october
25th
of
2021.
We
then
shortlisted
the
selected
sites
on
october
26
and
between
october
26
and
november
8th,
the
community
voted.
J
J
We
were
very
excited
to
see
the
total
number
of
nominated
sites
that
we
received
the
voting
period
for
the
top
sites
concluded
as
of
november
15th
and
those
were
announced
on
our
website
and
then
between
now
and
about
spring
of
this
year,
we
will
be
finalizing
host
site
negotiations
with
those
two
sites
that
were
selected
and
voted
by
the
community
and
ultimately
file
with
the
commission,
a
request
to
approve
us
moving
forward
with
constructing
these
cbsrs
in
northern
nevada
and
in
southern
havana,
with
the
ultimate
goal
of
having
these
two
sites
completed
by
quarter.
J
J
J
J
I
did
want
to
at
least
provide
an
update
on
the
existing
cbsr
that
we
have
here
in
southern
nevada,
located
at
mojave
high
school
in
north
las
vegas.
This
is
the
first
cvsr
that's
part
of
esap,
even
though
it
was
approved
in
docket
number
20-07023
as
a
pilot
project.
The
cbsr
is
a
carport,
as
you
can
see
here
that
contains
about
a
thousand
solar
panels
and
it
generates
at
least
773
megawatt
hours
per
year.
J
We
partnered
with
the
clark
county
school
district
to
enter
into
a
25
year
lease
for
this
project
and
it's
very
important,
because
this
project
directly
interconnects
to
our
distribution
grid
and
supports
customers
that
were
selected
to
participate
in
asap.
Not
only
that,
but
this
drives
the
development
for
more
clean
energy.
J
As
has
been
mentioned,
our
customers
are
looking
more
towards
it
brings
environmental
benefits
and
it
also
provides
economic
development
benefits
to
nevada,
bombard
electric
was
the
primary
contractor
for
mojave
solar
and
we
they
also
had
a
worksite
agreement
with
the
ibew
local
357-396
and
construction
workers
that
were
certified
by
our
department
of
employment,
training
and
rehabilitation
program
were
also
employed,
which
I
believe
you'll
have
more
information
shortly
here,
and
this
project
has
been
operational
since
december
21
of
2021
and
we're
very
excited
about
it.
J
It
looks
great
like
I
mentioned,
I
have
this
picture
here,
but
we
certainly
have
more
pictures
to
share
if
requested.
J
Now,
our
next
step,
so
we
do
have
a
few
things
coming
up
shortly.
Like
I
mentioned
briefly,
we
do
have
an
information
report
that
is
due
march
one
of
this
year
and
every
year
on
the
esap
recent
esap
program.
So
we
have
to
provide
an
information
on
the
total
number
of
customers.
How
many
applications
we
received
in
future
time
frames.
Any
customers
who
left
the
program
voluntarily,
because
the
only
way
for
a
customer
to
leave
esap
is
for
them
to
voluntarily
request
it.
J
That's
one
thing
I'd
like
to
mention
is
any
customer
who
was
deemed
eligible
and
accepted
to
esap
is
in
the
program
from
january
1
through
december
31,
regardless
of
whether
certain
circumstances
occurred
during
that
year.
That
may
no
longer
make
them
eligible
for
the
future
year.
J
J
Here
we're
going
to
request
approval
to
recover
the
incremental
spend
that
went
into
implementing
asap,
as
well
as
other
asap
items
such
as
the
mojave
cvsr
information
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
in
my
cbsr
timeline
slide.
We
do
have
a
an
esap
plan
amendment
that
we
expect
to
file
in
spring
of
2022,
where
we're
going
to
request
approval
of
the
two
cbsr
sites
that
were
selected
by
the
community,
which
are
freedom
park
and
the
moana
center.
J
In
addition
to
any
other
items
that
we
feel
will
better
the
implementation
of
the
second
round
of
esap
for
really
this
year
and
any
years
moving
forward.
J
So
that
seems
to
be
the
end
of
my
presentation.
As
I
mentioned,
my
name
is
cynthia
alejandra,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
can
be
reached
at
this
phone
number
here
or
email,
so
I
look
forward
to
any
questions.
Anyone
may
have.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
miss
alejandra
for
the
presentation.
I
appreciate
it.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
First,
I'd
just
like
to
go
back
to
the
application
figures,
so
you
know
it
looks
like.
As
you
said,
there
was
the
most
interest
in
the
low
income
eligible
customer
category,
but
in
general
it
looks
like
the
applications
and
and
approvals
came
in
well
below
the
the
dedicated
capacity.
So
I
was
just
wondering
I
guess
I
have
a
few
questions
about
that.
G
So
you
mentioned
some
of
the
the
marketing
efforts
that
were
undertaken,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
have
a
plan
to
survey
some
of
those
who
signed
up
to
see
what
worked,
what
didn't
and
and
if
we
could
just
a
better
sense
of
how
does
the
process
work
to
get
more
people
into
these
different
dedicated
areas.
J
J
So
that's
certainly
something
that
we're
working
with
our
corporate
communications
team,
our
director,
our
customer
operations
team
as
well
to
figure
out
how
to
maybe
make
that
a
more
directed
effort.
Since
we
did
see
a
lot
more
interest
once
we
sent
that
out
we're
also
working
with
our
our
agency,
our
external
agency,
to
fine-tune
and
determine
now
that
we've
seen
this
first
round.
What
worked
what
didn't
work?
How
can
we
make
it
better
so
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
determining
how
to
do
that?
J
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
it
is
the
first
year
of
the
program
and
it
is
meant
to
grow.
That
capacity
is
the
total
capacity
for
the
program.
It's
not
an
annual
capacity
that
increases
every
year
by
that
same
amount.
J
So
we
are
very
motivated
to
increase
that
number,
but
at
the
same
time
understand
that
it
was
the
first
program,
the
first
run
and
as
people
start
talking
about
it,
sharing
with
their
families
sharing
with
their
friends,
I
think
we
will
be
seeing
a
spike
of
interest
in
these
categories.
I
also
want
to
highlight
that
for
the
disadvantage
in
business,
a
disadvantaged
business
and
nonprofit
organizations
that
10
000
kilowatt
hour
cap
did
limit
the
number
of
those
type
of
customers
that
could
qualify
for
that
category.
J
We
also
were
excited
to
see
a
lot
of
his
information,
our
various
local
government
officials
newsletters.
I
know
that
was
shared
a
lot
as
well.
J
So
I
think
at
this
point
it's
trying
to
figure
out
what
worked,
what
didn't
work
and
how
can
we
improve
upon
that
with
the
understanding
that
our
customers
maybe
had
other
things
going
on
during
the
summer,
and
I
only
bring
this
up
because
I
know
northern
nevada.
There
were
a
lot
of
other
external
factors
that
maybe
took
more
of
our
customers
attention.
Maybe
they
didn't
see
some
of
the
social
media
or
didn't
pay
particular
attention
to
it.
J
So
we
are
trying
to
figure
out
if
we're
able
to
get
out
in
the
community
in
person
there
were
several
events
in
northern
nevada
that
we
were
not
able
to
make
due
to
them
being
cancelled.
So
we're
currently
working
again
with
our
corporate
communications
team
right
now
to
figure
out
what
events
are
coming.
What
can
we
do?
Can
we
be
there
in
person?
J
We
did
have
a
lot
of
virtual
events
where
we
presented
this
information,
but
we
do
think
that,
having
a
more
of
an
in-person
connection
where
we
are
able
to
walk
a
customer
through
the
application,
let
them
know
exactly
what
we're
looking
for.
That
is
probably
the
best
way
to
actually
get
those
applications
in
our
hands.
G
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
for
that
additional
information,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
that
you
know
you
were
getting
the
program
stood
up
and
and
approved
and
then
had
to
quickly
put
the
application
out
there
and
and
definitely
appreciate
the
fact
that
word
of
mouth
will
help
in
that
you
know
wildfires
and
and
the
pandemic
that
it
seems
to
always
put
a
crimp
on
our
plans
for
in-person
events,
certainly
oppose
have
posed
their
own
challenges.
G
Could
you,
and-
and
you
know
I
also
have
to
you-
know-
applaud
you
with
a
simple
process
both
of
my
parents
actually
applied
for
and
were
approved
for
asap
in
two
different
categories.
So.
G
G
Yeah
so,
and-
and
I
definitely
did
try
and
get
the
word
out
as
well,
so
the
other
question
that
I
had
was
just
around
the
the
guaranteed
lower
rate
for
the
low
income
eligible
customers.
Could
you
just
give
us
a
little
bit
more
information
on
that
kind
of
how
that's.
J
Yes
and
I'm
trying
to
find
my
document
here,
otherwise
I
will
make
sure
to
provide
you
directly
with
the
information
I
want
to
make
sure
I
don't
misspeak,
but
I
know
that
our
work
essentially
called
the
esap
writer
was
just
is
still
with
the
commission
to
final
to
get
finalized
asian
and
get
it
approved,
but
the
way
that
it
works
without
getting
too
technical
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
follow
up
with
anyone
if
we
want
to
get
into
a
deeper
dive
with
our
with
the
rates
and
the
calculation
make
sure
I
have
a
great
team
member
to
go
through
that
whole
process,
but
as
ab465
provides
for
on
the
regulations,
the
esap
rate
is
a
component
of
our
our
deferred
energy
adjustment,
accounting
number
and
our
base
tariff
energy
rate.
J
So
what
the
e-stop
rate
will
look
like
is
going
to
be
the
70
of
that
portion
and
30
percent
of
the
utility
scale
and
the
cvsr
costs
for
lack
of
better
ward.
So
right
now,
what
we
filed
and
I'll
provide
the
information
for
nevada
power
is
the
residential,
expanded,
solar,
energy
rider
or
rate
is
at
I'll.
Give
you
the
number
so
that
you
can
write
it
down
if
you'd,
like
it's
dollar
sign,
0.04717,.
J
And
that
would
be
for
the
eligible
premise
category
customer
now.
What
I
want
to
be
clear,
though,
is
that
that's
that
number
that
I
gave
you
the
4717,
isn't
going
to
replace
the
rate.
Rather,
what
customers
will
see
on
their
bill
is
a
credit.
So,
for
example,
if
the
current
bter
and
dea
rate
you're
paying
is
60
and
you're
under
the
esap
program
and
it's
the
4717,
you
will
see
a
credit
for
that
difference,
so
your
consumption
will
be
multiplied
by
that
difference
and
that
will
ultimately
provide
you
with
that
credit.
J
So,
right
now,
what
we're
seeing
is
that
everyone
in
esap
will
be
receiving
a
a
reduction.
The
only
difference
is
that
the
low
income
discount
is
guaranteed
to
be
lower,
even
if
other
categories
were
to
be
more
expensive
based
on
you
know,
quarterly
updates
or
once
cost
from
these
cvsr
start
to
be
part
of
it
again.
J
I'm
certainly
not
the
expert
or
subject
matter
expert
on
our
rates,
and
I
can
certainly
get
with
anyone
at
a
later
time,
if
requested
and
if
desired,
with
our
rates
team
that
can
provide
you
much
more
of
a
deeper
dive
as
to
how
that
works.
G
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
and
the
big
picture
is
helpful.
I
was
just
trying
to
understand
the
different
factors
in
terms
of
the
large-scale
resources:
the
community-based
resources.
If
the
you
know
the
how
the
the
pool
of
approved
customers,
you
know,
may
factor
in
there,
so
that's
that's
extremely
helpful
and
I'm
sheriff.
I
may
have
one
more
question.
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
the
community-based
sites.
G
So
in
your
presentation,
I
believe
you
noted
that
there
were
at
least
three
and
no
more
than
10
potential
sites,
and
so
it
seems
like
between
mojave
and
the
other
two
that
are
kind
of
going
through
the
approval
process.
That's
the
the
three,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
anything
you
can
share
about
kind
of
the
timeline
or
consideration
potential
additional
community
based
sites
to
be
considered.
J
Yes,
absolutely,
and
so
the
minimum
of
three
no
more
than
10
is
for
each
service
territory,
so
in
southern
nevada,
assuming
that
host
site
negotiations
are
successful
with
city
of
las
vegas
and
we
get
an
approval
to
move
forward
with
that
cbsr.
That
will
be
too
in
southern
nevada
and,
of
course,
moana
center
in
reno
will
be
the
first
one
in
northern
nevada.
Given
that
this
was
the
first
time
again,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
understood
what
the
process
would
look
like
what
type
of
nominations
we
would
receive.
J
J
J
So
now
that
we
have
more
time
to
promote
it,
we
do
think
we'll
see
more
of
these
nominations
come
in
this
next
round.
So
the
dates
remain
the
same.
We
expect
to
launch
the
nomination
here
at
the
same
time
frame
as
we
did
last
year,
we're
hoping
that
with
marketing
much
more
in
advance
that
will
get
more
of
these
nominated
sites,
but
the
timeline
will
essentially
remain
the
same.
Now
we
did
move
forward
with
just
one
location
in
each
service
territory,
because
we
were
conscious
of
the
number
of
applicants
we
were
receiving.
J
These
costs
ultimately
will
be
recovered,
and
so
we
want
to
ensure
that
we're
not
possibly
impacting
that
rate
by
adding
more
cvs
at
once
than
possibly
spreading
them
out,
as
customer
enrollment
also
increases.
So
as
far
as
timeline
and
what
that
looks
like
again
we're
going
to
launch
the
nomination
period
this
year.
At
the
same
time,
we
hope
to
have
marketing
much
more
in
advance,
so
that
people
are
more
aware.
I
know
that
some
of
the
sites
that
were
shortlisted
but
not
voted
on
have
expressed
interest
in
doing
it
again.
J
So
I
do
think
that
we'll
be
seeing
a
lot
more
interest.
This
go
around
and
based
on
that,
the
number
that
is
shortlisted
might
increase
again,
we'll
also
be
in
the
process
of
our
customer
enrollment
period,
so
we'll
be
able
to
gauge
what
that
looks
like
the
last
thing
you
want
to
do
is
you
know,
implement
five
at
once
that
could
ultimately
impact
the
east
separate
for
our
asap
customers.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
miss
alejandre
for
all
that
additional
information.
I
appreciate
it
and
again
completely
appreciate
the
idea
that
you
know
now
that
the
the
program
is
stood
up.
The
marketing
is
kind
of
an
ongoing
process
and
it's
helpful
to
understand
kind
of
the
the
phased
nature
of
the
applications
both
for
customers
and
for
the
community
based
sites.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
indulgence
of
all
the
questions.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
mr
watts
hit
most
of
that
stuff.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I'll
I'll
send
my
questions
over
on
email.
Thank
you.
C
L
M
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
committee
members
for
the
record,
I
am
roberta
tapia.
I
am
a
program
specialist
at
the
department
of
employment,
training
and
rehabilitation
or
dieter
and
the
unit
the
division
is
the
employment
security
division
and
I
work
for
the
workforce
investment
support
services
unit.
M
This
presentation
seeks
to
provide
an
overview
of
deter's
role
in
the
expanded
solar
access
program
or
esap
esap
directed
dieter
to
create
a
workforce
development
plan
to
establish
the
workforce,
solar,
the
solar
workforce,
innovations
and
opportunities
program,
and
you
will
see
the
acronym
throughout
the
presentation,
but
I'll
I'll
try
my
best
to
spell
it
out.
It's
swio
in
the
presentation.
M
M
This
workforce
plan
was
created
in
collaboration
with
representatives
from
the
ibw,
the
international
brotherhood
of
electrical
workers,
local
357,
396
and
401.
It
also.
The
group
also
included
the
electrical
joint
apprenticeship,
training
center
in
southern
nevada
and
in
northern
nevada,
the
northern
nevada
electrical
training
center
and
members
representative
represented
and
the
energy
as
well.
M
M
Meetings
began
the
first
week
of
september
2020
and
resulted
in
establishing
the
position.
Titles
pay
minimum
qualifications
with
variations
between
the
regions
in
the
south.
The
job
classification
would
be
that
of
solar
panel
installer,
whereas
in
the
north
the
construction
wireman
classification
would
be
used
as
the
entry-level
pre-apprenticeship
position.
That
would
provide
exposure
and
experience
to
program
participants.
M
M
So
summary
of
the
actual
program,
it
provides
the
for
the
development
of
the
solar
workforce,
innovation
and
opportunities
program
swio,
including
a
workforce
plan
that
lays
the
groundwork
to
introduce
nevadans
from
low-income
communities
to
employment
opportunities
in
solar
installation
occupations
by
providing
information,
training
and
job
placement.
M
For
recruitment,
it
was
determined
that
notification
of
new
projects
by
nv
energy
would
alert
theater
to
develop
a
customized
recruitment
plan
with,
along
with
the
ibew
and
the
joint
apprenticeship
training
centers.
The
recruitment
program
would
be
tailored
to
meet
the
project.
Specific
number
of
candidates
needed
and
deadlines.
M
M
M
This
project,
as
previously
explained
called
for
the
installation
of
solar
panels
on
a
newly
constructed
car
parking
car
parking
structure,
with
an
anticipated
need
of
15
total
solar
panel
instructors,
and
the
contractor
selected
was
bombard
electric
for
communication.
Theater
collaborated
with
the
ibw
local
business
manager
to
determine
the
referral
process
and
minimum
qualifications.
M
The
selected
candidates
in
need
of
the
osha
10
certification
were
enrolled
in
the
career
enhancement
program,
scheduled
for
training
and
provided
payment
to
the
training
provider
for
the
course
with
the
training
complete.
The
candidates,
names,
applications
and
copies
of
the
osha
10
certification
were
forwarded
to
the
local
ibe.
Ibw
and
names
were
provided
to
their
dispatcher.
M
M
M
H
K
M
Received
13
inquiries,
six
were
qualified
on
the
minimum
requirements
and
recited
in
the
designated
zip
codes.
The
seven
remaining
applicants
did
not
reside
in
the
zip
code
areas
and
were
contacted
by
phone
and
email
to
determine
further
interest.
Should
a
project
come
to
their
area
of
the
six
that
met
the
initial
qualifications,
two
did
not
respond
to
follow-up
increase.
M
M
M
M
Originally,
it
was
to
be
10
weeks
for
the
solar
install
installation
to
be
completed,
which
was
accomplished
with
in
five
weeks
and
as
part
as
follow-up.
We
did
reach
out
to
the
remaining
candidates
to
try
and
assess
their
interests
in
the
in
apprenticeship.
M
We
were
only
able
to
contact
one
of
the
three
and
he
is
on
the
books
for
the
projects,
but
has
moved
on
to
other
positions.
In
the
meantime,.
M
M
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation
and
the
information
it
was
really
exciting
to
to
watch
that
first
project
go
up
and
and
hear
feedback
from
the
students
and
staff
at
the
high
school
realizing.
I
don't
think
they
realized
how
truly
important
it
was
for
the
surrounding
community.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
Members.
Any
questions
for
dieter
about
the
program.
A
Wow
you're
getting
off
easy,
I
don't
see
any
raised
hands,
so
thank
you
again
and
we
look
to
continue
the
work
and
provide
even
more
job
opportunities
as
this
program
grows
throughout
the
state.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
you're.
Welcome
with
that,
we
will
close
item
number
five
and
we
will
move
on
to
item
number
six.
A
A
The
bills
pastor
in
the
session
continued
to
examine
the
energy
needs
of
the
citizens
of
nevada
and
particularly
sb
448,
made
various
changes
to
energy
regulations,
policies
and
programs.
Some
provisions
in
the
bill
require
the
pucn
to
open
a
rule
making
and
or
an
investigatory
docket.
Today
we
will
hear
the
status
of
those
dockets
and
welcome
back
the
pucn.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
ms
mullen,
oh
perfect,
just
making
sure
we
have
the
presentation
up
all
right
well
for
the
record.
I'm
garrett
weir
general
counsel,
for
the
public
utilities,
commission
and.
N
I
Will
try
to
be
brief
in
providing
an
update
of
the
commission's
implementation
of
senate
bill
448
from
last
session,
as
you
I'm
sure
aware,
that's
the
omnibus
energy
bill
sponsored
by
senator
brooks
that
includes
various
components
among
the
provisions
in
that
bill.
It
are
requirements
related
to
transportation,
electrification,
transmission
planning.
I
I
And
there
are
a
few
other
miscellaneous
clarifications
and
revisions
as
well.
So
with
regard
to
transportation,
electrification,
the
the
bill
breaks
that
policy
into
kind
of
two
components.
You
have
a
requirement
for
an
initial
upfront,
transportation,
electrification
plan
or
a
plan
to
accelerate
transportation,
electrification
in
nevada.
That's
section
49
of
the
bill
that
required
nv
energy
to
file
a
plan
by
september,
1st
2021,
and
that
upfront
requirement
was
a
fast-tracked
process.
I
The
commission
was
required
to
review
and
decide
on
that
plan
within
90
days
and
and
it
is
pretty
prescriptive
as
to
what
the
bill
is
prescriptive
as
to
what
is
included
in
that
plan.
I
The
the
commission
issued
an
order,
modifying
and
accepting
nv
energy's
proposed
plan
that
contained
all
of
those
components,
and
the
commission
found
that
the
modified
plan
checked
all
the
boxes
required
by
the
legislation
on
actually
yesterday
that
the
commission,
at
a
at
an
open
meeting,
did
reaffirm
its
order
with
regard
to
a
couple
of
requests
for
reconsideration
that
had
been
filed.
But
as
a
result,
we
now
you
know
know
what
the
final
order
and
version
of
the
modified
plan
is
going
to
look
like.
I
So
that's
the
upfront
component
of
transportation,
electrification
that
is
required
by
sb448.
The
other
requirement
related
to
transportation.
Electrification
are
outlined
in
sections,
14
and
40
of
the
bill,
and
they
require
ongoing
incorporation
of
transportation,
electrification
planning
into
the
triennial
integrated
resource
planning
process
that
the
commission
undertakes
and
the
rulemaking
that
will.
That
is
addressing
these.
This
requirement
to
incorporate
a
transportation
electrification
plan
into
the
distributed
resource
planning
component
of
the
irp.
I
The
integrated
resource
plan
that
rule
making
is
pucn
docket
number
21-06036.
I
And
the
current
status
of
that
rulemaking
is
that
the
commission
requested
comments
and
on
some
proposed
draft
language
it
received
those
comments
on
december
23rd
2021.
I
I
All
right
so
so
that
was
pretty
much
everything
just
a
brief
summary
of
the
transportation
electrification.
I
Component
of
the
bill
of
the
next
component
is
transmission
planning
and,
as
bear
with
me
for
a
moment,
as
as
you
recall,
the
transmission
planning
component
required
that
nv
energy
file,
an
amendment
to
its
pending
integrated
resource
plan,
application
to
include
a
proposal
for
certain
specified
projects,
high
voltage
transmission
projects
that
the
commission
had
previously
found
prudent
for
the
utilities
to
move
forward
with
conceptual
designs
permitting
and
land
acquisition.
I
For
so
essentially,
it
was
the
remaining
projects
associated
with
the
green
link,
a
transmission
project
that
I
know
you're,
all
very
aware
of
so
that
plan
was
incorporated
into
the
resource
plan
application
as
an
amendment
and
was
carved
out
as
a
separate
phase
of
the
resource
planning.
Proceeding
that's
pending
before
the
commission
as
phase
four.
So
that's
the
final
phase
of
the
resource
plan
proceedings
before
the
commission
intervener
testimony
was
actually
due.
I
Yesterday,
however,
and
my
notes
on
the
slides
before
you
don't
reflect
this.
But
last
week
the
commission
received
a
consensus,
stipulation
settling
all
of
the
issues
that
were
presented,
and
so
it's
very
unlikely
that
we
will
actually
see
a
hearing
and
further
testimony
in
this
matter
and-
and
I
think
you
can
expect
to
see
that
stipulation
be
brought
to
the
to
the
puc
in
an
upcoming
agenda
and
a
public
meeting
for
the
commission
to
vote
on.
I
So
you
know
that
that,
given
the
fact
that
it
that
the
utility
met
the
in
the
according
to
the
signatories
to
the
stipulation
satisfied
the
requirements
of
sb
448
with
regard
to
that
transmission
infrastructure
for
a
clean
energy
economy
plan,
no
one
is
contesting
the
terms
of
the
stipulation
and
so
that
will
potentially
be
resolved
within
the
next
by
the
end
of
the
month.
So
next
slide.
I
So
that
requirement
has
been
incorporated
into
the
planning
process
for
the
commission
and
it's
there's
proposed
language
again
in
the
rulemaking.
Proceeding
that
I
referenced
previously.
It's
also
addressing
this
matter.
All
resource
planning
issues
related,
sb
448
are
being
addressed
in
that
docket
21-06036,
and
that
is
currently,
I
believe,
there's
a
workshop
occurring
as
we
speak.
I
So
the
the
other
requirement,
other
resource
planning
requirement,
is
that
the
utilities
be
required
to
include
in
their
plan
a
scenario
that
would
achieve
zero
carbon
emissions
by
2050
and
then
another
scenario
that
would
achieve
an
80
reduction
compared
to
20
or
2005
levels
by
2030..
I
So
again
those
scenarios
contemplating
what
it
would
look
like
to
get
to
those
carbon
emission
reduction
goals.
That's
that's
a
new
statutory
requirement
that
ensures
a
review
of
the
planning
decisions
that
would
be
necessary
to
reach
those
outcomes
and
then
yeah.
I
guess
next
slide.
Thank
you.
I
Then,
on
august
13th
2021,
the
commission
set
the
proposed
regulation
to
lcb
for
pre-adoption
review.
It
has
since
had
the
proposed
regulation
returned
by
lcb
in
revised
form
and
on
december,
2nd
2021.
The
puc
concluded
that
the
revo
revised
proposed
regulation
would
not
be
likely
to
impose
a
direct
or
significant
economic
burden
upon
small
businesses
and
then
actually,
I
have
an
update
now
that
isn't
on
the
slide,
which
is
that
the
required
hearing
workshop
and
hearing
under
the
nevada
administrative
procedure
act.
I
Those
will
be
following
that
workshop
and
hearing
the
commission
can
then
proceed
to
adoption
of
a
regulation.
I
So
next
page,
so
with
regard
to
the
regional
transmission
organization,
components
of
the
bill,
I
know
you're
going
to
hear
about
rtos
and
regionalization
during
a
later
presentation
from
envy
energy.
So
I'll
focus
just
on
the
component
that
explicitly
required
action
from
the
commission
for
implementation
and
that's
being
addressed
in
puc
docket
number
21-06038.
I
I
I
The
the
first
of
these
additional
provisions
is
related
to
net
energy
metering
in
section
36,
and
it
provides
a
some
guidance
regarding
the
definition
of
public
utility
to
exempt
from
that
definition,
owners
of
net
metering
systems,
that
del
deliver
electricity
to
multiple
master,
metered
persons,
units
or
spaces,
so
that
that
helps
to
provide
guidance
to
both
the
utility
and
its
administration
of
the
net
metering
programs
and
also
to
the
commission
and
determining
eligibility
for
that
for
that
program.
I
So
the
burden
of
proof
in
utility
rate
cases,
that's
something
that
you
might
recall.
There
was
some
discussion
of
last
session
it.
Basically,
this
is
not
something
that
is
going
to
change
the
way
that
the
commission
has
been
recently
reviewing
rate
cases
and
considering
those
applications.
I
However,
it
will
provide
clarity
to
the
utility
applicants
that
there's
no
presumption
that
any
of
its
expenses
or
investments
included
in
the
application
were
prudently
incurred.
It
clarifies
what
that
burden
of
proof
is
for
the
utility
and-
and
you
know
we'll-
hopefully
ensure
that
that
the
utility
is
fully
aware
of
what
needs
to
be
included
in
applications
moving
forward.
I
So
the
next
item.
Next,
additional
provision
is
related
to
the
disposal
of
generation
assets.
I
This
is
a
kind
of
a
a
rarely
referenced
statutory
provision,
but
it
will
become
relevant
if
sierra
pacific
power,
company
and
nevada
power
company
do
seek
to
merge
into
a
single
utility
in
the
future
and
it
the
commission
will
basically
go
through
the
process
of
evaluating
such
a
proposal
under
the
public
interest
standard,
rather
than
there
being
a
procedural
barrier
to
to
that
change
in
ownership
of
generation
assets
compared
to
the
law
that
existed
prior
to
this
bill.
I
Oh,
I
think
that
that
that's
it
so
yeah
with
with
that
I've
tried
to
be
as
as
fast
as
possible
in
providing
a
rundown
of
where
things
stand
with
the
implementation
of
sp
448.
But
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
I
appreciate
making
it
short
a
lot
of
information
and
a
few
short
slides
members.
Any
questions
senator
brooks.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
I
there's
a
lot
in
that
bill
and
almost
all
of
it
affected
the
public
utilities,
commission
and
created
quite
a
bit
of
work,
and
I
see,
there's
several
open
dockets
and
have
been
tracking
them
and
just
wanted
to
thank
the
commission
for
just
their
their
efficient
handling
of
the
things
that
were
in
that
senate
bill
through
the
whole
docket
process
and
everything
that
we
have
going
on.
Just
I
wanted
to
thank
you
appreciate
it.
A
Okay,
all
right
there
we
go
well,
it
looks
like
you're
getting
off
easy.
Thank
you
so
much
for
presenting
not
once
but
twice
today.
We
truly
appreciate
it
and
share
the
information.
A
And
we'll
hear
presentations
on
the
regional
energy
markets.
As
many
of
you
know,
this
is
not
a
new
topic
for
those
members
who
have
participated
in
energy
issues
in
the
past.
Throughout
the
years,
western
states
have
explored
the
creation
of
a
western
regional
energy
market.
This
session
we
passed
sb
448,
which
created
the
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force.
The
task
force
chaired
by
senator
brooks
is
charged
with
advising
the
legislature
and
the
governor
on
topics
and
policies
related
to
regional
energy
transmission
in
the
western
states.
A
The
presentations
this
morning
will
provide
some
fundamentals
of
the
regional
energy
markets
for
the
newer
members
of
the
committee
and
serve
as
a
review
for
other
committee
members.
I'm
going
to
take
the
presentation
a
little
bit
out
of
order
and
instead
of
starting
with
item
a
on
your
agenda,
we
are
going
to
start
with
item
c
on
the
agenda
and
there
will
be
a
presentation
by
envy
energy
who
will
be
presenting.
L
Thank
you
tim.
Can
everybody
hear
me
and
committee
members.
L
Right,
I
am
carolyn
barbash.
I
am
the
vice
president
of
transmission,
development
and
policy
at
envy
energy,
and
today
I've
got
two
of
my
colleagues
here:
ryan
atkins,
our
director
of
resource
optimization
and
david
rubin,
who
is
our
director
of
ferc
regulatory
affairs
and
they
both
are
going
to
be
taking
different
parts
of
this
dave.
It's
going
to
be
available
for
just
for
q,
a
at
the
end.
L
So
in
my
job,
I'm
responsible
for
the
green
link
projects.
You'll
hear
a
little
bit
about
that
today.
If
I
have
time
and
also
some
wholesale
market
development,
rayon
atkins
and
his
resource,
optimization
job
is
directly
involved
in
in
the
operates
that
we
market
in
today
and
investigating
single,
adding
on
you
know
other
other
efforts
that
are
looking
at
pieces
of
of
a
whole
market
and
in
my
in
my
role
when
I'm
not
trying
to
get
green
length
built
or
designed
or
I
I
get
involved
in
wholesale
market
efforts.
L
That
would
eventually
end
up
with
us
having
all
components
of
an
energy
market
by
one
market
operator
and
have
it
be
a
regional
market.
Is
there
a
slide
deck
up
being
shared,
or
do
you
want
me
to
do
that?
I
can
do
that.
L
Felt
I'd
rather
use
my
hand
my
time
getting
q
a
your
screen
got
it
and.
L
Okay,
does
everyone
see
that
great
okay,
so
the
topics
we'll
cover
today
are-
and
I
apologize
for
some
of
you
as
chairman
roman
reino,
said
some
of
this
will
be
a
review.
L
Some
of
it
will
be
brand
new,
and
some
of
it
will
be
a
reminder,
especially
for
those
of
you
who
are
you
know
new
to
the
committee
or
the
legislature,
or
just
have
enough
of
a
life
that
you
don't
go
home
and
read:
journals
trade,
journals
about
wholesale
markets
and
and
then,
since
garrett
from
the
puc
did
such
a
good
job
I'll
just
flip
up
some
slides
on
448.
L
and
then
ryan
atkins
will
go
into
like.
I
said
some
of
the
markets
that
we
operate
today
or
that
we
are
involved
in
reviewing
some
other
single
attribute
of
a
of
a
full
wholesale
market,
and
I
will
go
into
some
future
things
that
we're
working
on
to
try
to
get
the
state
of
nevada
into
a
regional
wholesale
market
with
all
the
bells
and
whistles
and
services.
L
If
I
have
time
I'll
talk
about
where
we're
at
on
the
green
link
projects
and
why
we're
building
them
and
what
they
do
just
in
case,
somebody
here
isn't
familiar
with
those
because
they're
very
important
to
a
regional
market
and
having
it
function
properly.
L
So
with
that
I'll,
just
there's
often
a
thought
that
nevada's
not
in
a
market
we're
not
in
a
wholesale
market.
Well,
we
are,
we
participate
in
bilateral
markets,
meaning
we
go
out
and
we
find
a
seller
of
energy
or
a
buyer
of
our
energy
and
we
make
a
deal
and
set
the
price
and
usually
it's
under
a
standard
regulatory
approved
contract
and
we
buy
that
resource.
L
And
then
we
also
more
recently
joined
the
eim
which
ryan
will
speak
to
which
makes
up
in
real
time.
Some
of
those
imbalances
where
we
forecast
our
load
and
the
actual
load
is
always
different
from
that
or
if
a
generator
isn't
producing
as
much
as
we
projected
it
to,
for
us,
it'll
go
find
the
energy
for
us
or,
if
we're
producing
more,
it
will
sell
it
in
that
real-time
market,
with
a
clearing
price
buyers
and
sellers
brought
together
sort
of
like
a
stock
exchange.
L
But
it's
a
very,
very
small
piece
of
an
electric
market,
an
organized
market
does
that,
and
that
is
more
like
a
stock
exchange
rather
than
an
over-the-counter
market.
It
brings
buyers
and
sellers
together
sets
of
clearing
price.
It's
much
more
liquid,
more
efficient,
it's
able
to
optimize
resources
better
and
clear
congestion
on
the
on
the
highways,
which
are
transmission
paths,
so
so
they're
much
more.
They
provide
a
lot
of
benefits,
a
lot
of
savings
to
customers
and
a
lot
of
other
things.
They
present
a
little
more
risk
in
that
they.
L
You
know,
we
don't
know
that
party.
Sometimes
it
was,
is
carrying
that
energy,
the
exact
path
it's
taking
to
get
to
us.
We
can't
point
to
that
brick
and
mortar
resource
yeah.
Although
there
is
one,
but
we
don't
know
which
one
it
is
and
they're
often
more
financially
firm
products,
meaning
if
the
product
doesn't
show
up,
you
might
have
some
some
load
problems,
but
you,
your
customers,
get
compensated
for
not
having
that
energy.
L
So
I
think
that's
sort
of
you
know.
That's
the
market
piece
rtos
do
a
lot
more
than
that
they
build
transmission.
They
they
have
resource
adequacy
requirements
to
ensure
reliabilities
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
involved
in
a
full,
rto
wholesale
market.
Iso.
Those
terms
can
be
used
interchangeably.
L
L
And
again,
I
won't
go
through
this
too
much.
Others
will
probably
cover
this
later.
They're
all
bid
based
they.
They
provide
energy
energy
services
real
time
day
ahead
and
ancillary
services
which
are
sort
of
the
products
that
help
make
the
product
get
delivered,
reliably,
keep
the
frequency
and
the
voltage
where
they
need
to
be
it's
a
lot
more
complicated
than
a
stock
exchange,
because
you're
not
just
matching
up
buyers
and
sellers.
L
Just
to
remind
you,
all
garrett
did
a
wonderful
job
on
on
on
this.
It's
section
30
that
talks
about
the
regional
transmission
organization
requirements
and
that
transmission
providers
in
nevada
and
the
energy
as
utility
being
one
of
those
and
probably
the
largest
with
the
most
assets,
are
required
to
belong
to
a
regional
transmission
organization
by
2030.
L
Unless
the
waiver
is
filed
and
not
good
for
customers
can't
find
the
right
partners
can't
get
a
regional
scope
or
it's
not
in
the
public
interest,
meaning
the
cost
outweighs
the
benefits,
something
like
that
or
or
it
compromises
nevada's
clean
energy
goals.
Something
like
that.
That
would
be
probably
cost
to
file
a
waiver
for
a
delay
in
the
in
in
getting
there.
L
The
state
of
nevada
has
defined
has
a
definition
in
sb448
or
for
what
a
rto
means
to
them,
and
it's
all
good
stuff.
It
differs
a
bit
from
the
federal
energy
regulatory
commission's
definition
of
what
they
approve
as
an
rto,
but
that
all
meets
the
same
intent
and
you
know
we've
got
some
great
stuff
in
here,
meaning
you
know,
we
can't
sacrifice
our
reliability
to
be
in
an
rto
most
of
nevada.
Most
of
nevada's
customers
are
in
las
vegas,
which
is
fortunately
very
recently
built
and
has
very
good
reliability
top
10
percentile.
L
So
we
wouldn't
want
to
compromise
that
you
know
no
advantages
to
any
particular
customer,
so
there's
no
cheating
there
should
be
lower
prices
and
reliable,
clean
energy,
and
there
should
be
good
it.
You
know
planning
infrastructure
around
this
rto,
that
red
piece
there,
the
governance
structure
or
control
that
is
an
independent
of
users
of
the
facilities.
L
That
is
highlighted
because
I
think
that's
important
to
nv
energy
and
it's
important
to
nevada
in
that
there
is
only
one
organized
market
and
it's
very
close
to
us,
it's
in
california,
that
that
that
organized
market,
it's
it's
control,
it's
controlled
by
a
governance
board
that
is
appointed
by
the
governor
of
california
and
they
approve
every
market
rule
every
decision
about
how
expensive
transmission
projects
will
be
allocated
to
customers
and
and
nevada's
not
represented
on
that
adequately.
Right
now,
so
it's
just
not
available
to
join
without
some
changes.
L
There's
a
lot
of
good
things
about
the
california
iso
they've
successfully
operated
the
regional
energy
and
balance
market
and
a
very
good
operations,
but
right
now
joining
the
full
contingent
of
of
the
full
participating.
Rto
really
is
a
little
we're
not
able
to
do
that
as
it
is.
L
We
also
have
a
task
force
set
up
in
nevada,
you
know,
and,
and
that
task
force
is
I
went
too
far
is-
is-
is
really
going
to
analyze
and
report
back
to
the
governor
and
the
legislature
on
what
it
might
cost
what
our
customers
in
nevada
might
get
in
return.
L
What
laws
might
need
to
be
changed,
how
we
can
increase
economic
development
through
belonging
to
a
wholesale
market?
You
know
more
availability
of
car,
low
carbon
energy
and
things
like
that,
where
that
attracts
people
to
nevada,
more
renewable
generation
coming
here,
and
the
first
report
from
that
committee
is
due
november
30th
of
2022,
and
then
it
will
be
on
a
every
other
year
basis.
After
that.
L
This
is
the
members
that
have
been
appointed
senator
brooks
will
chair
the
committee
as
a
sponsor
of
sb
448,
which
will
be
someone
very
knowledgeable
to
lead.
That
group
and
I
believe
all
the
members
here
are
populated,
except
two
members
of
the
senate
and
two
members
of
the
state
assembly
they're
not
currently
on
that
list
if
they
have
been
selected
they're
not
yet
there,
this
slide's,
updated,
sorry
and
now.
Finally,
I've
covered
some
of
the
basics
about
where
we're
at
in
this
wholesale
market.
Why
we're
trying
to
do
it?
O
Good
morning,
let
me
get
my
presentation
up.
O
All
right
all
right,
so
I
am
ryan
atkins,
I'm
the
director
of
trading
analytics
and
operations
here
at
indy
energy.
So
I
oversee
our
group
that
buys
and
sells
our
electricity,
our
natural
gas
and
schedules
all
of
our
resources.
O
But
I
think
really,
the
discussion
starts
with
the
western
energy
imbalance
market
or
the
eim,
and
the
eim
is
a
real
time.
Energy
market
operated
by
the
california
iso.
It
was
launched
back
in
2014
nv
energy
joined
in
2015
as
the
third
participant
now
the
eim
is
a
true
imbalanced
market
and
it's
optimized
at
the
five-minute
level.
O
It's
important
to
know
so
this
is
a
voluntary
market
and
participating
is
not
equivalent
to
being
a
full
member
of
the
kaisel.
So
the
transmission
control
the
resource
adequacy,
the
resource
planning
that
remains
with
the
member
utilities
and,
as
you
can
see
on
the
slide,
there's
the
continued
growth
and
expansion
of
the
eim.
O
By
next
year
there
will
be
22
active
participants
representing
84
percent
of
the
demand
in
the
western
u.s
and
with
this
huge
geographic
you
know
footprint
that
just
means
bigger
benefits,
both
economically
and
reliability,
for
us
next
slide,
carolyn,
and
so
just
looking
at
the
benefits
for
in
the
energy.
Since
joining
the
eim
through
cue,
through
of
q3
of
2021,
benefits,
exceeded
151
million
dollars
and
on
the
next
slide
it
just
shows
all
entities
throughout
the
history
of
the
ein.
Cumulative
benefits
have
exceeded
1.7
billion
dollars.
O
Next
slide,
please
so
from
the
kaiso's
perspective,
the
next
incremental
step,
you
know,
is
really
this
extended
day-ahead
market
or
e-dam,
as
it's
called.
This
is
really
just
expanding
the
concept
of
the
eim
to
a
day
ahead
time
frame.
O
O
O
O
O
So
that's
one
of
these
incremental
options
that
we're
talking
about
on
the
next
slide.
So
this
is
a
bit
of
a
new
wrinkle.
That's
come
into
play
a
new
unique
kind
of
market
option,
a
western
resource
adequacy
program,
the
wrap
as
they
call
it
from
the
northwest
power
pool.
So
rather
than
being
a
a
real-time
or
day-ahead
market
designed
for
optimization.
O
This
is
really
focused
on
capacity
sharing
and
ensuring
resource
adequacy
for
its
entities,
its
members.
So
it's
going
to
match
up
a
resource
deficient
member
and
pair
them
with
somebody
else
who
may
have
a
little
bit
of
excess.
So
it's
more
focused
on
the
reliability
piece
and
less
on
the
the
real-time
optimization
piece
that
we've
been
talking
through
with
eim
and
potentially
edam.
O
There
is
a
lot
of
participation
in
this
program
already.
It
would
be
another
incremental
step
towards
greater
regional
coordination
and
a
potential
long-term
market
solution.
O
Currently,
the
program
has
retained
ftp
as
the
program
operator
and
they're
preparing
a
non-binding
test
of
requirements
for
this
summer
and
upcoming
winter.
They
anticipate
being
fully
up
and
running
by
2024
and
in
the
energy
is
participating
in
the
current
phase.
To
be
able
to
determine
the
long-term
feasibility
and
benefits
of
this
program,
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
next
slide,
the
map.
O
O
And
then,
if
you
go
forward,
two
slides
carolyn,
another
key
initiative
related
to
regional
coordination
is
ferc
order.
1000,
and
this
requires
the
participation
in
regional
transmission
planning
groups.
O
That's
going
to
help
with
us
our
improved
ties
to
the
north
and
the
east
to
take
advantage
of
green
link,
which
carolyn
will
talk
to
in
a
little
bit
and
really
the
most
important
point
is
just
that.
This
is
another
step
towards
widespread
transmission
coordination,
rather
than
you
know,
a
more
siloed
approach
to
transmission
planning.
O
Now,
looking
at
kind
of
these,
what
we
call
multi-attribute
market
initiative,
so
I'd
say
greater
than
an
incremental
step
like
we've
been
talking
about.
The
first
thing
that's
come
out
is:
is
the
western
markets,
exploratory
group?
O
You
know
on
a
project
manager
that
has
some
experience
to
really
start
putting
together
a
structure
of
what
a
new
option
could
look
like,
as
you
can
see
on
that
table,
quite
a
large
list
of
large
utilities
that
are
a
part
of
these
discussions,
including
nv
energy
and
again.
This
is
just
to
really
help
identify
and
vet.
What
are
the
options
now
and
what
else
could
exist
going
forward
that
would
satisfy
our
needs
next
step
next
slide
carolyn.
O
O
So
they're
trying
to
come
up
with
some
unique
options
that
that
entities
may
be
interested
in
and,
let's
see,
yeah,
so
you
can
just
see
kind
of
it's
on
the
right
with
the
markets,
plus
it's
a
bit
of
a
hybrid
between
current
path,
a
full
rto
and
what
they're
offering
and
then
you
know
so
really.
I
think
the
key
takeaway
just
of
all
these
options
that
I've
outlined
and
I've
tried
to
keep
it
very
high
level.
O
It's
just
that
in
the
energy
and
a
lot
of
entities
are
really
trying
to
look
at
all
these
options,
keeping
an
open
mind,
but
we
can't
do
it
alone
right
there.
We
all
have
an
interest
in
finding
the
best
solution,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
critical
to
try
and
identify
a
single
market
solution.
O
So
if
it
ends
up
being
multiple
markets
with
multiple
scenes
between
those
markets,
it
would
lead
to
lesser
economic
and
reliability
benefits.
So
this
really
is
a
key
time
and
the
reason
that
there's
so
many
options
that
are
currently
in
play
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
hand
it
back
to
you
carolyn,
to
talk
through
greenlee.
L
On
the
green
link
transmission
project,
let
me
just
kind
of
walk
through
what
they
are
and
they're.
Very.
This
transmission
is
extremely
important
to
the
topic
of
wholesale
markets.
Without
that
we
can't
really
without
this
transmission
we
don't
really
have
a
robust
interconnection
with
other
states.
L
This
these,
these
transmission
projects
are
all
within
nevada,
but,
as
you
can
see
over
here
in
this
ely
area,
we've
got.
We've
got
strong
interconnections
here
over
here
and
a
lot
of
development
interests
over
here
to
our
eastern
states.
L
Some
of
the
states
that
have
a
little
bit
more
complementary
resources
to
nevada's
large
amount
of
solar,
meaning,
wind
and
hydro
that
the
wind
usually
blows
when
the
sun's
not
shining,
often
picks
up
in
the
in
the
eastern
parts
of
the
west
western
states
at
night
when
the
sun
goes
down,
so
it's
very
complementary
and
hydro
as
well,
because
nevada
is
not
known
for
its
large
supply
of
water.
L
So
greenlink
west
is
about
350
miles
line
long
in
total,
about
from
yearington
down
to
the
las
vegas
valley
at
the
northwest.
Substation
is
about
230
miles
and
then
over
into
the
city
of
las
vegas.
Through
the
city
of
las
vegas
to
our
harry
island,
substation,
probably
another
30
35
miles,
and
then
we
have
another
part
of
green
lake
is
green
lake
north,
which
is
this
line
across.
L
You
know
basically
following
highway
50
across
nevada,
from
nearington
over
to
the
ely
area,
about
250
miles
of
500
kv
line
as
well,
and
then
we've
got
some
things
that
we
call
the
common
ties
which
pick
up
these
two
big,
I
like
to
think
of
these
as
big
sources
of
of
supplying
bulk
energy,
and
it
picks
up
that
that
energy
and
steps
it
down
to
345
kv,
which
used
to
be
the
largest
voltage.
We
had
in
nevada
and
delivers
it
into
some
of
these
large
growing
areas
in
the
tri-center
area.
L
Why
are
we
building
these
lot
proposing
to
build
these
lines?
One
you
know
for
connectivity
to
other
states,
but
just
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
this
online.
It
was
our
first
interconnection
between
the
two
utilities
greenlink
west,
which
the
puc
has
approved,
to
be
constructed
from
from
fort
churchill,
down
to
the
northwest
substation
and
be
in
service
by
december.
L
L
Well,
we
had
it
in
service
in
december
2013.,
but
we
really
share
a
lot
of
resources
between
northern
and
southern
nevada.
There's
a
great
seasonal
diversity
in
our
loads
and
there's
a
great
difference
in
resources
as
well.
So
just
the
two
ends
of
the
state
are
very
complementary
in
sharing
those
resources.
L
If
this
line
were
to
go
out
it's
out
until
it
gets
back
in,
if
that's
a
wildfire
it's
out
until
we
can
order
poles
in
the
supply
chain
wire,
whatever
gets
burned
down
and
rebuild
it,
and
we
don't
want
to
lose
that
money
all
that
all
those
savings
we're
passing
on
to
customers
right
now.
We
also
get
suspended
from
the
ein
market,
which
is
a
big
energy
saver,
so
this
line
will
provide
some
redundancy,
some
really
good
reliability.
L
It's
also
very
strategically
planned
to
run
through
very
rich
solar
energy
zones.
There's
three
solar
energy
zones
around
there,
probably
some
of
the
richest
in
the
country
and
those
will
be
nevada's
to
serve
our
customers
with
low
cost
energy
lots
of
lots
of
interest
from
renewable
developers
around
there,
as
well,
as
you
know,
provide
the
economic
development
to
our
state
with
new
jobs.
L
Cleaner
resources
add
to
our
carbon
goals.
That
area
has
no
access
to
our
grid
right
now
and
we're
and-
and
so
this
project
will
open
it
up.
L
It's
also,
you
know
I
think
I
talked
about
most
of
it.
It's
it
really.
Our
major
purpose
for
building
it
was
to
get
energy
into
northern
nevada
and
and
meet
art.
Nevada's
clean
energy
goals,
but
it
but
just
the
economic
development
that
it
that
it
provides
on
top,
is
just
really
icing
on
the
cake
with
these
projects
so
and
again,
it'll
position
us
as
a
leader
we're
right
centrally,
where
what
they
need
for
the
state
of
nevada
geographically
needs
to
be
part
of
a
regional
market.
L
Green
lake
north
is
going
to
create
a
total
redundant
triangle
around
the
state,
meaning
you
know
you
could
lose
any
one
of
these
500
kv
lines
and
still
have
delivery
to
the
two
points
to
las
vegas,
to
ely
and
to
yarrington,
and
so
it's
it's
building
in
some
very
much
needed
redundancy.
Finally,
to
the
state
of
nevada
and
encouraging
the
business
development.
L
This
line
strategically
was
planned
to
follow
some
wind
zones,
some
geothermal
zones
and
some
additional
solar
zones.
There's
a
lot
also
a
lot
of
pumped
hydro
interest
out
in
ely
nevada,
which
is
complementary
to
solar
as
well,
because
you
can
pump
the
you
can
let
the
water
flow
at
night
like
a
hydro
plant
and
you
know,
and
it
can
pump
it
uphill.
While
we
have
excess
solar
during
the
hot
summer
days
down
there
in
in
clark
county.
L
We
filed
these,
these
345
kv
lines
and
great,
and
this
first
phase
of
greenlink
west,
like
I
say,
are
moving
forward
with
construction
they're
well
into
the
eis
and
nepa
permitting
stages
with
the
blm,
and
we
filed
september
1st
to
include
these
in
accordance
with
sb448,
the
northwest
to
harry
allen
and
the
greenlink
north
line
to
be
in
service
by
december
2028.
A
Thank
you
both
for
that
presentation.
I
believe
first
up
with
questions
is
senator
brooks.
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation
on
on
on
the
regional
markets
and
regional
transmission,
but
my
questions
are
around
greenlink.
Specifically,
I
I
see
where
the
pla
the
routing
is,
and
but
I
don't
necessarily
see
where
and
I'm
asking
you
know
if
it's
been
determined
yet
where
some
of
the
collector
subs
or
substations
are
going
to
be,
and
my
second
part
of
that
question
is:
will
the
utility
be
con,
taking
interconnection
requests
and
before
the
line
is
built
or
the
substations
are
built?
L
Yes,
very
good
question.
Thank
you
senator
brooks
the
we
will
be
taking
applications
for
interconnections
before
before
the
blinds
are
placed
in
service
the
collector
stations.
There
are
two
designed
on
proposed
on
greenlink,
west
and
one
currently
across
greenlink
north
and
those
have
not
they're,
not
firm
enough.
The
locations
of
those,
as
you
know,
we're
doing,
routing
and
citing
through
the
blm,
and
they
do
the
need
for
process
and
it's
really
their
decision
and
their
process.
L
You
know
the
least
impact
to
our
lands
and
our
natural
resources
in
nevada
and
with
all
the
cooperating
agencies,
the
cities
and
the
counties
and
the
tribes
and
the
the
department
of
defense
and
all
those
agencies
that
participate
that
have
concerns
over
the
routing
and
siding
because
they
have
interests
in
the
lands
through
there
and
they
are
providing
comments
and
there's
being
environmental
surveys
and
geotechnical
surveys
done
on
that
before
we
can
say
this
is
where
these
collector
stations
are
going
to
go
and
if
we
start
accepting
applications
for
renewable
interconnections
right
now.
L
So
we
want
to
get
a
little
bit
more
certainty,
and
you
know
I
think,
we'll
when
we
get
to
a
good
point,
when
we
feel
like
we're
closer
to
a
recorded
decision
and
the
routes
cited,
we
will
communicate
over
our
oasis
system,
which
is
what
the
federal
energy
regulatory
commission
requires
at
least
two
weeks
in
advance.
So
we
will
be
accepting
generation,
interconnection
requests
and
transmission
service
requests.
E
Thank
you,
and-
and
could
I
I
follow
up
chair
sure,
and
thank
you
for
the
answer
and
on
the
permitting
and
routing
side
of
this
I
mean
I.
I
know
that
that
there
are,
you
know,
bi-state
and
greater
sage-grouse
issues.
There
are
all
kinds
of
environmental
and
cultural
considerations
on
routing
have
have
you
faced
any
insurmountable
obstacles
in
in
your
opinion
on
in
that
process
and
and
if
you
could
just
give
me
just
a
kind
of
like
a
brief
update
on
what
that
permitting
and
routing
process
looks
like.
L
Not
so
far
that
I've
heard
of
I
don't
have
any
of
our
really
smart,
permitting
folks
and
environmental
folks
on
the
phone
here
on
the
video,
but
we
haven't
run
into
anything
that
we
don't
think
we
can
mitigate.
L
But
we,
you
know
we
are
watching,
there's
some
private
lands,
although
you
know
it's
probably
85
90
federal
lands
that
we're
crossing
got
some.
You
know
some
private
land
concerns
and
you
know,
and
just
some
expansion
plans,
probably
from
the
department
of
defense
and
expansion
plans,
conflicts
with
some
of
the
the
native
american,
the
tribal
organizations.
L
So
you
know
we're
trying
to
work
with
all
the
constituents
along
the
routing
to
find
mitigation
and
alternative
routes.
You
know
we
try
to
minimize
the
length
of
the
route,
so
we
don't
want
to
have
to
go
80
miles
around
something
because
that's
going
to
increase
the
cost
to
customers
so
but
nothing
insurmountable.
Yet.
E
Thank
you
thank
you,
and-
and
I
just
want
to
you
know,
thank
you
for
the
work
that
y'all
are
doing.
E
I
I
get
a
chance,
both
through
as
a
policy
maker
and
in
my
professional
life,
to
talk
to
a
lot
of
developers
and
and
transmission
developers
and
renewable
energy
developers
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
has
sent
kind
of
a
message
across
the
entire
west
and
have
has
really
kicked
into
gear
tens
of
billions
of
dollars
of
investment
around
transmission
in
the
west
and
and
development
in
our
state,
which
would
just
mean
tens
of
thousands
of
jobs
and
and
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
of
tax
revenue
over
the
life
of
the
project,
so
good
job
and
and
what
what
we
thought
when
hope
would
be
accomplished
by
by
doing
this
and
statute
is,
is
all
we're
already
starting
to
see
the
results
of
it.
L
L
D
Hey
I'm
looking
at
the
map
and
I've
I'm
seeing
like
right
there
between
ali
and
yearington,
but
some
of
the
strongest
most
powerful
resources
we
have
is
hydropower
up
by
crescent
valley,
be
wowie
over
by
fernley
and
down
that
way,
and
that
doesn't
even
show
on
on
the
map
that
my
first
question
the
next
one
is
is
the
you
know.
We
lost
a
large
wind
generation
system
right
there
between
idaho
and
nevada
up
in
the
northern
corner
that
was
was
denied
because
of
the
sagehand.
D
L
That
is
a
different
area
than
than
the
bia
wowie
and
crescent
and
crescent
valley
for
the
those
geothermal
resources.
L
But
there
are
some
geothermal
resources
and
again
we
are
going
to
have
to
go
through
this
whole
environmental
impact
statement
and
and
nepa
process
and
try
to
find
mitigating
factors,
rerouting
the
line,
and
things
like
that.
Now
that
the
renewable
developers
will
have
to
get
their
own
permits
and-
and
they
may
face
some
of
that
as
well.
D
Okay,
yeah
because
there
may
follow,
if
I
maybe
up
to
the
north
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
geothermal-
that's
that's
being
used,
but
it's
still
untouched
compared
to
some
of
the
other
resources
that
they
are
using
and
then,
like
I
said,
that's
that's
a
a
natural
resource
that
that
keeps
on
giving.
So
I'm
hoping
you
take
that
into
consideration.
D
The
hydropower
is
is
great,
and
then
one
thing
you
did
discuss
is
is
is
moving
water
and
hydro
power
up
and
down,
and
I
did
they
did
have
a
large
project
was
under
study,
but
it
didn't
go
anywhere
where
they'd
pump
the
water
upstream
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
when
the
demands
were
were
low
and
then
it
not
in
the
next
day
when
the
demands
were
high,
they'd,
take
it
back
out
of
the
lakes
and
move
it
back
down.
L
Yeah,
yeah
and
and
that's
becoming
a
lot
more
feasible
now
that
we
have
a
lot
of
the
solar
development
that
is
very
complementary
and
is
providing
the
energy
to
pump
it.
You
know
during
the
day
and
then
when
the
when
the
sun
goes
down,
have
that
energy
from
the
hydro
that
was
pumped
up
the
hill.
So
it's
very
very
complementary.
F
F
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
the
discussion
of
the
rto,
since
it
seems
like
we're
taking
those
baby
steps
to
get
to
the
to
that
at
that
stage,
and
and
if
someone
wanted
to
do
some
research,
I
think
it'd
be
really
beneficial
to
kind
of
know,
a
few
things
and
here's
the
things
I
wanted
to
know.
Could
you
tell
me
the
oldest
rto
that's
been
around
and
related
to
that?
What's
the
newest
rto,
and
is
there
one
rto
that's
sort
of
the
gold
standard,
something
we
could
look
at
and
go?
F
You
know
they
they've
got
it
right.
Maybe
maybe
they
looked
at
mistakes
they've
been
made
in
the
past.
You
know
how
the
organization
is
and
so
forth,
and
then
that's
the
one
you
kind
of
want
to
look
at
a
little
bit.
L
They
all
operated
as
very
tight
power
pools.
You
know,
takes
about
five
of
their
states
to
fill
the
regional
geography
of
the
state
of
nevada,
so
building
inner
interstate
lines.
Isn't
that
uncommon
there
as
it
is
here
where
you
have
these?
You
know
multiple
jurisdictions
and
regulatory
commissions
to
get
across
and
allocate
the
cost,
and
things
like
that
and
the
newest
is
prop,
is
probably
california
or
ercot.
L
L
We
want
what's
appropriate
from
us
if
it's,
if
it's
the
resource
adequacy
program
and
with
the
california
iso
has
and
then
the
congestion
management
program
that
ercot
has
and
the
you
know,
the
the
transmission
planning
at
pjm
then
then
then
take
those
pieces
of
their
tariffs
that
have
already
been
approved
by
ferc.
L
L
Some
because
they
have
a
very
strong
retail
access
program,
would
have
a
capacity
market
because
the
smaller
providers
of
service
don't
have
access
to
building
capital
resources
to
serve
their
customers
with,
whereas
a
state
like
a
place
like
the
southwest
power
pool
would
just
have
a
resource
showing
program
because
there
is
no
retail
access
to
speak
of
in
that
footprint.
L
One
thing
the
state
of
nevada
can't
do
is
be
a
regional
transmission
organization
on
its
own.
So
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
outreach
and
a
lot
of
working
with
other
partners,
which
is
why
we're
going
in
the
baby
steps,
because
our
neighbors
in
the
west
want
to-
and
we
can't
say
we're
going
to
do
it
all
within
the
state
of
nevada,
because
then
you're,
not
a
regional
market,
you're
nv
energy
operating
as
if
it
were
a
market
and
that's
what
we
already
do
today.
L
So
I'll
just
leave
you
with
that
and
david
oldest
and
newest.
I
don't
know
david
rubin.
C
The
mid-continent
and
spp
sort
of
grew
similar
to
what
you
know,
potentially
we're
doing
in
the
west,
with
imbalanced
market
services
first
and
then
evolving
into
what
they
call
a
day,
two
or
more
of
the
the
rto
market
that
we
see
today.
So
those
are
the
ones
that
are
newer.
C
They
didn't
come
out
of
that
tight
power
pool
the
way
the
eastern
ones
did.
F
I
appreciate
that
there's
I
mean
there's,
obviously
even
as
you're
talking
and
you're
saying
things
like
wmag.
It
just
tells
me
that
I
don't
know
a
lot
and
so
there's
still
a
lot
that
before
you
know,
I
make
decisions.
I
need
to
know
more,
so
I
appreciate
your
your
willingness
to
give
us
more
information
and
I
think
that
helps
out.
Thank
you.
L
I'm
sorry
wmag
is
an
effort
with
the
14
different
utilities
that
ryan
was
was
was
speaking
about
and
it's
we
had
it
up
on
the
screen,
but
one.
F
L
F
Yeah,
you
look,
I'm
not
blaming
it.
No,
I'm
not
saying
anything
bad,
I'm
just
saying
that
I
totally
get
that
when,
when,
when
you're
dealing
with
new
information
or
something
as
big
as
this
and
you're
talking
about
it
every
day,
you
get
that
I
don't
I
I
hate
acronyms,
I
don't
know
if
everybody
else
does
too
I
I
wanna,
I
wanna
hurt
people
when
they
give
acronyms
out.
F
No,
I
I
I
truly
do
need
to
learn
a
lot
more
about
this,
but
you
know
I
kind
of
get
where
you're
going
and-
and
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
presentation,
because
it
did,
as
you
were,
going
along
talk
about
how
you
want
to
get
into
an
imbalanced
market,
or
at
least
that's
the
sort
of
the
newest
way
to
kind
of
get
into
getting
into
an
rto
and
that's
the
kind
of
the
stuff.
F
I
guess
that
I'm
I
was
trying
to
learn
and
what
have
we
learned
over
the
years
of
trying
to
get
into
rtos
and
it
sounds
like
the
newer
ones
kind
of
baby
stepped
in
by
stopping
her
by
starting
with
in
balanced
markets,
and
then
what
is
that?
And
so
you
guys
did
a
good
presentation.
So
thank
you
again
and
thank
you
for
the
question.
L
Thank
you,
and
I
will
add
one
thing
on
that:
wmag
slide
that
you
all
have
ladwp
is
also
a
member.
Now
they
weren't
when
we
created
that
but
they're
they've
also
committed,
and
we
also
have
public
service
of
new
mexico.
A
So
next
up
we're
gonna
go
back
to
the
top
of
this
section,
we'll
have
mr
cameron
dyer,
managing
senior
staff
attorney
with
western
resource
advocates,
and
mr
vijay
satell
regional
energy
markets
manager
with
western
research
advocates
and
they'll
present
information
on
the
western
resource
market
and
the
opportunities
it
has
for
nevada.
So,
gentlemen,
welcome
to
our
committee
and
the
floor
is
yours.
N
Thank
you,
madam
jared
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
committee
thanks
for
inviting
us
to
present
today.
My
name
is
cameron
dyer,
and
the
chair
mentioned
I'm
an
attorney
for
western
resource
advocates,
I'm
also
on
the
rto
task
force,
along
with
miss
parvash
with
me.
Today
is
a
doctor,
vijay
sadio,
the
various
regional
market
manager.
I'm
going
to
begin
sharing
our
screen
real,
quick.
N
All
right,
thank
you
all
right
for
the
second
time
I
won't
go
through
our
slide
detailing
through
where
it
is
and
what
we
do,
but
I
just
like
to
say
that
we
are
a
non-profit
that
impacts,
numerous
areas
of
conservation
across
seven
states
in
the
interior,
west
and
numerous
areas
of
concert.
Yes,
sorry
to
protect
climate
land,
air
and
water.
N
The
jay
and
I
are
focused
on
energy
issues
with
my
time,
focused
entirely
on
that
I'm
going
to
pass
the
presentation
to
dr
satchel
to
talk
through
our
work
in
western
regional
markets
and
then
I'll
come
back
to
talk
through
how
that
can
impact
those
future
potential
markets
more
directly.
Thank
you.
A
P
Thank
you
thank
you
and
thank
you,
chairman
mourinho,
and
all
the
senator
members.
We
appreciate
this
chance
to
speak,
so
I'm
just
going
to
carry
the
water
for
a
little
bit
of
the
slide
deck
and
thanks
to
the
nevada
energy
team
for
covering
a
lot
of
the
regional
current
initiatives
that
are
in
play,
but
we're
coming
at
this
slightly
differently,
but
having
the
same
common
message
to
give
that
regional
markets
in
the
west
are
needed
and
helpful,
as
you
can
see
from
this
visual.
P
This
really
gives
you
a
complete
visual
comparison
of
existing
rtos
in
the
in
the
united
states
and,
as
you
may
realize,
by
the
way
the
the
electric
grid
in
the
u.s
is
not
limited
to
the
political
boundaries.
Our
electric
grid
in
the
west
especially
does
go
into
canada
as
well,
but
you
can
see
in
the
west
there's
this
big
white
gaping
hole
and
that's
the
region
where
we
don't
have
a
market.
P
We
have
what's
called
bilateral
markets
for
energy
and
transmission,
and
this
is
the
area
where
we
feel
policy
needs
to
change
and
to
make
a
larger
sink.
Ideally,
a
large
footprint
iso
or
an
rtu
to
happen,
and
of
course,
senator
brooks
has
been
a
champion
in
this
regard
in
nevada,
with
support
of
many
of
you,
but
this
is
critical,
not
just
because
it
sounds
good
feels
good
to
have
one
large
footprint
it's
also
because
it
can
really
incentivize
and
foster
more
easily
easy
to
develop
renewable
energy
and
and
also
create
automation
and
efficiency.
P
We
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
thanks
cameron.
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
slides
and
from
my
time
prior
to
being
at
wra
for
the
last
three
years,
I
was
at
work
as
a
senior
policy
advisor,
and
one
thing
I
learned
at
wek,
which
no
other
place
taught
me
is
the
huge
degree
of
interconnection
interconnectedness
of
the
very
west.
So
it
sounds
like
a
play
of
words,
but
the
western
interconnection
is
truly
diverse.
It
is
so
diverse
that
you
can
have
geographic
diversity
of
assets
that
should
be
better
used.
P
It
should
have
resource
variability
across
time
zones
that
is
not
currently
being
used.
So
if
you
notice,
in
both
the
scenarios
that
I
brought
up,
I
spoke
that
is
not
being
used
or
not
being
enabled
that
can
be
done
and
a
regional
market
would
allow
what's
called
situational
awareness,
enhance
reliability
and
help
bring
resources
and
transmission
together.
P
The
one
thing
to
be
kept
in
mind:
please,
if
you
look
carefully
in
this
map
and
cameron,
will
highlight
it
more
in
a
very
interesting
way.
With
a
historical
visual,
you
will
see
the
dark
lines
of
the
green
and
the
red
lines
and
the
northwest.
That's
like
the
strong
built
current
transmission
system.
P
You
can
call
the
electrons
highways
and
you
can
see
in
the
middle
that
we
do
have
some
transmission
system
and
I'm
glad
nevada
energy
is
working
to
expand
their
transmission
network,
but
that's
what
a
market
would
enhance
and
incentivize
better
use,
a
very
same
transmission
system.
So
in
other
words,
we
have
a
donut
system
which
is
not
anymore
a
donut,
but
at
least
20
30
years
ago.
It
was
a
significant
big,
donut
and
you'll
see
what
we
mean
by
that
in
a
bit
next
slide,
please.
P
What
does
an
organized
market
really
mean?
We?
Everybody
talks
a
lot
about
it
in
different
ways.
Caroline
touched
on
it
really
well
to
your
questions.
Senator
hammond
is
that
different
markets
have
different
services.
Well,
typically,
to
the
left.
You
will
see
on
your
screen.
A
good
organized
market
should
ideally
have
fewer
bas
or
balancing
areas.
So
you
have
less
checkbooks
to
manage
the
accounting
for
how
much
who's
managing
in
supply
to
meet
load.
You
also
will
try
to
have
a
common
resource
adequacy
standard.
I
hope
you
would
agree
with
me.
P
We
don't
have
different
c
rules
for
seat
belts
in
different
western
states.
We
don't
have
different
rules
for
using
an
uber
or
lyft
in
different
western
states.
We
have
common
application
to
use
an
uber,
whether
you
are
in
portland,
oregon
or
in
carson
city
nevada
or
in
salt
lake
city.
Utah,
where
I
am
same,
goes
with
a
good
organized
market
would
be
independent,
it
would
have
board
members
that
are
truly
independent.
The
process
is
transparent,
like
the
legislature
works
and,
more
importantly,
you
have
non-profit
intentions
for
the
market
operator
to
manage
energy
flow.
P
If
you
do
not
have
these
characteristics,
you
are
going
to
have.
Of
course,
the
heavy
hand
of
work,
oversight,
questioning
the
independence
and
the
jurisprudence
of
the
good,
ethically
and
robust
market
work.
The
three
other
things
that
are
important
for
a
good
organized
market
is
the
ability
and
the
facility
to
track
greenhouse
gas
accounting
or
what
is
the
impact
of
fossil
fuel
versus
non-fossil
fuel?
This
is
not
necessarily
to
to
question
why
fossil
fuel
emissions
are
happening.
P
This
is
to
help
create
an
inventory
and
manage
that
that
will
help
incentivize
and
move
as
we
are
decarbonizing
the
grid
for
economic
reasons
or
reliability
reasons.
The
last
thing
is
transmission.
Ideally,
a
single
organized
market
has
a
single
transmission
operator
that
manages
the
transmission
assets
of
the
utilities
that
release
it
and
allow
it
for
centralized
dispatch.
The
key
word
is
centralized
dispatch
and
if
you
like,
it's
like
an
a
la
carte
service,
but
a
good
organized
market
could
include
single
single
or
share
transmission
planning.
P
So
you
don't
have
a
patchwork
of
different
transmission
planning
processes
that
many
states,
many
regional
transmission
groups.
Have
you
don't
have
to
have
that
if
you
want
state
level
influence
or
voice,
but
you
can
still,
you
do
need
some
of
those
items
above
the
first
four
or
five
bullets
that
I
spoke
to,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
the
right
side,
but
I
kind
of
explained
all
that
to
you
but
feel
free
to.
P
P
I
touched
on
it
earlier,
but
I'll
bring
it
up
again
in
a
different
way:
the
geographic
diversity
time
and
again,
over
two
decades,
we've
had
enough
studies
that
have
shown
the
diversity.
If,
if
automated
and
used
well
can
truly
enhance
resource
availability,
you
can
help
adjust
where
the
load
is
not
peak
in
peak
state
and
where
the
load
is
low.
You
can
adjust
the
resource
diversity
to
ensure
you
have
a
large
available
pool
of
supply
of
clean
energy
options.
P
The
second
thing
it
does
is,
you
are
reducing
curtailment,
which
is
stopping
the
supply
of
energy
that
otherwise
could
be
used.
We
have,
we
do
not
see
what
we
don't
know
and
what
we
don't
know
is
how
much
energy
we
are
not
able
to
bring
onto
the
system,
and
the
second
is
economics
you
will
see,
and
time
and
again
studies
have
also
proven,
not
just
studies
utilities,
investments
are
proving
to
see
independent
merchant
projects
are
showing
that
zero
carbon
resources
are
also
economical
and
if
they're
dispatched
well
and
automated
well,
you
create
consistency
of
planning.
P
It
can
overall,
then
help
reduce
costs,
reduce
wholesale
energy
acquisition
costs
that
can
help
ensure
more
renewable
energy
is
part
of
the
larger
mix.
Let's
go
to
the
next
site
cameron,
please.
So
to
summarize,
I
I
went
into
a
bit
of
a
deep
dive.
I'm
coming
back
up.
The
roller
coaster
is
a
good
rtu.
Development
needs
to
think
of
these
five
six
facets
to
send
a
ham
and
another
senator's
question.
If
you
want
the
baby
step
approach,
one
example
is
that
you
develop
an
energy
imbalance
market.
P
You
have
one
in
the
west,
you
are
one
in
the
south
east
they're
trying
there's
one
with
sp.
Imbalanced
markets
is
typically
a
very
good
way
to
start
just
reserve
sharing
real
time.
Wi
is
a
proponent
of
the
day
ahead
market,
but
eventually
it
should
all
help
the
maturity
of
the
concept
to
lead
to
a
full
rto.
P
The
three
boxes
you
see
highlighted
in
some
solid
red
shadow
effect,
is
the
area
that
wi
is
committed
to
and
engaged
in
for
the
last
four
five
years
and
we
will
be
committing
to
engage
in
one
is
improving
the
governance
structure,
making
sure
that
utilities
public
interest
groups,
consumer
advocates
outside
california
alone
have
an
equal
voice.
If
there
is
a
solution
built
that
includes
eim
entities
that
that
is
outside
california,
too
or
any
rtu
being
developed
in
the
west
should
have
a
fair,
independent,
transparent
governance
structure.
P
We
believe
that
you
need
to
have
good
transparency
and
reporting
metrics.
If
you
don't
have
that,
how
would
you
know
how
well
the
rtu
is
functioning?
This
is
important
for
state
decision
makers,
regulators,
policy
makers
and
legislators,
even
like
you
all,
and
the
third
important
thing
for
wra
as
we
believe
in
a
decarbonized
grid.
P
My
language
is
not
just
show
me
the
money.
It's
also
show
me:
the
benefits
show
me
how
the
air
is
getting
cleaner
or
show
us
how
we
are
truly
seeing
green
electrons
so
as
to
speak
equally
on
the
table,
as
we've
had
fossil
fuel
resources
in
the
past.
So
greenhouse
gas
accounting
is
not
just
for
greenhouse
gas
impacts
is
to
show
the
justification
for
future
clean
energy
investments
that
are
needed
and,
ironically,
you'll,
be
surprised
to
know.
P
P
So
I
I
will
get
to
the
crux
of
what
that
is.
Wna
has
worked
with
public
interest
organizations,
but
we've
also
met
with
the
utilities.
We've
done
nine
months
of
outreach
and
engaging
with
energy
customer
groups
utilities,
and
we
are
proposing
a
regional
greenhouse
gas
accounting
platform
that
is
needed
across
the
west
to
prevent
a
big
problem.
What
we
have
right
now
is
a
patchwork.
P
We
have
some
states
with
some
greenhouse
gas
accounting.
Please
note:
greenhouse
gas
accounting
does
not
mean
carbon
pricing.
You
may
want
to
track
your
greenhouse
gas
emissions
with
or
without
a
carbon
program
in
state,
whether
you
believe
in
a
federal
program
or
a
regional
program.
You
still
need
state
level
tracking,
and
this
would
enhance
existing
rps
tracking,
which
is
only
clean
energy
development
which
is
new
generation.
P
Next
slide,
please.
So,
where
do
we
land
here
before
cameron
takes
over
as
our
nevada
team
managing
attorney
and
he
helps
run
the
effort
for
all
things?
Nevada?
I
want
to
leave
you
with
this.
We
don't
want
to
we
don't
we
we
don't
want
to
just
sell
something
that
just
sounds
good
feels
good.
We
recognize
there
are
political
and
economic
challenges.
We
recognize
there's
some
regulatory
areas
to
work
on,
and
there
are
some
market
design
challenges.
How
do
you
design
the
rules
of
the
game,
but
these
are
all
opportunities.
These
are
not
problems.
P
There
are
ways
that
other
regional
markets
have
addressed.
Losing
control
issues,
so
states
have
a
voice.
The
state
committees
that
get
engaged
in
a
governance
structure.
There
are
ways
to
ensure
state
policy
goals
are
not
compromised
and
there
are
ways
to
ensure
how
rules
are
designed
on
rate
design,
so
you
can
have
wholesale
benefits
visible
at
the
retail
level,
so
there
is
a
role
for
you
all
to
play.
There
is
a
role
in
ensuring
regulators
can
also
work
to
make
this
happen.
P
On
the
regulatory
side,
we
do
believe
wra,
believes
and
I'm
sure
cameron
will
be
happy
to
work
with
you
all
in
every
possible
way
to
ensure
sustainable
infrastructure
is
built
for
meeting
the
needs
of
the
future
grid.
We
need
to
find
ways
for
win-win
environmental,
sustainable
solutions
that
show
land
use
being
allocated
and
yet
infrastructure
can
be
built
and
any
state
level
approvals
that
need
to
be
worked
through,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
touch
on
is
rules
of
the
game
called
market
design.
P
There
is
a
lot
of
challenges
with
how
cost
will
be
allocated
across
the
system
because
of
the
existing
way
the
grid
is
designed.
Well,
as
we
move
towards
the
future,
we
will
have
to
work
through
some
adjustments
and
ensure
how
costs
are
managed.
Winners
and
losers
are
managed,
but
that's
an
area
of
interest
in
for
us,
and
we
clean
energy,
community
utilities
and
public
marketing
agencies
all
have
a
common
stake
in
this
game,
and
this
is
where
we're
trying
to
work
on.
P
N
A
P
N
Thank
you,
chair
cameron,
dyer,
with
wra
for
the
record,
so
this
first
flight
that
I
have
here
is
a
short
list
of
select
policy
provisions
that
have
sought
to
and
successfully
have
addressed
some
of
the
impacts
that
our
state
has
had
on
climate
change.
It's
not
meant
to
be
exhaustive.
It's
meant
to
illustrate
that
nevada.
H
N
N
N
Fossil
fuels
generation
converts
methane
to
carbon
dioxide
to
generate
electricity
where
the
state
has
made
the
most
progress
in
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
fossil
fuel
generation
is
converting
existing
fossil
generation
to
renewables
such
as
solar,
geothermal.
N
Currently,
our
rps
is
focused
on
electricity
generation.
What
is
needed
is
a
shift
away
from
the
rps
to
an
attribute
based
system
that
dr
satchel
had
discussed
a
little
bit
earlier,
and
this
would
focus
on
the
constant.
The
consumption
of
energy
that
is
consistent,
easy
to
verify
can
be
done
in
real
time.
It
accounts
for
power
purchases
that
come
from
the
market
with
not
necessarily
with
those
attributes.
N
As
also
noted,
we
have
authored
a
white
paper
that
will
be
ready
for
distribution
at
the
end
of
the
week.
We
will
send
that
to
ms
thomas
for
distribution
to
the
committee
when
it's
finished.
N
On
the
next
slide,
this
is
the
transmission
donut,
I'm
using
a
relatively
old
map.
This
is
from
1989
kind
of
highlighting
how
transmission
the
west
has
developed
a
bit,
and
if
you
look
at
the
map
from
dr
sagil
slides,
there
is
some
development
of
transmission
in
the
nevada
hole
here.
However,
much
of
that's
not
necessarily
connected
to
our
neighbors
to
the
north
and
east.
N
N
You
already
saw
more
accurate
mapping
of
the
the
green
link
path
in
the
energies
presentation,
just
kind
of
walk
through
this
on
the
right
hand,
side
it's
the
currently
operating
one
of
adeline
or
online
that
runs
from
las
vegas
to
kind
of
central
eastern
nevada.
There
on
the
left
is
the
green
link
west
line
that
was
approved
by
the
puc
in
last
year.
N
The
other
two
lines
listed
here
show
that
split
for
southwest
intertie
project
going
north
and
the
trans-canyon
crossfire
going
east
in
yellow
those
are
largely
outside
of
in
the
energy's
control
or
in
control
of
the
state.
N
N
So
what
does
this
mean
for
nevada,
and
this
is
another
map
showing
the
nevada
with
an
overlay
of
the
same
transmission
lines.
However,
it
also
has
renewable
energy
zones
shown
on
there
they're
a
little
hard
to
determine,
but
you
have
geothermal
zones.
You
have
wind.
P
N
The
transmission
proposed
would
provide
access
to
native
generation
opportunities
for
nevada's
consumption,
but
also
for
export
of
any
excess
generation
to
other
states.
Through
these
proposed
transmission
lines,
the
lines
would
also
allow
import
renewable
energy
from
other
states.
That
would
include
wind
and
hydrothermal
energy
from
our
neighbors
to
the
north
and
east.
N
Sorry,
not
hydrothermal,
hydro,
hydro,
hydrological
generated,
hydrologically
generated
energy,
so
this
type
of
import
export
scheme
is
called
geographic
diversity,
as
dr
sachel
mentioned,
and
serves
several
purposes
first,
it
ensures
that
the
energy
within
nevada
can
be
delivered
to
the
areas
that
need
it.
For
instance,
if
there
are
thunderstorms
over
northern
nevada
in
the
summer
that
impact
solar
generation,
energy
from
other
parts
of
nevada
can
be
sent
to
keep
the
lights
on.
The
same
is
true
in
reverse.
N
N
And
this
slide
is
kind
of
a
response
to
the
slide
that
dr
satchel
ended
his
portion
on
and
it
it
prompts
that
the
above
outline
challenges
facing
nevada
in
developing
an
rto.
These
are
ways
that
we
could
address
those
issues
or
at
least
think
about
them
and
kind
of
bring
them
in
a
solution
framework.
Here,
for
instance,
governance
is
an
issue,
and
what
we
need
to
do
now
is
ensure
that
we
are
active
and
attentive
to
this
issue
to
ensure
that
all
stakeholders
and
rta
are
treated
fairly
from
a
regulatory
perspective.
N
That
is
all
I
have
thank
you
for
your
time
and
we
are
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
committee
may
have.
A
Thank
you
both.
So
much
for
the
presentation
looks
like
nevada
is
the
central
key
to
pulling
all
this
together,
filling
that
doughnut
hole
and
if
assemblyman
yeager
is
watching,
I'm
sure
he
loved
the
conversation
about
donuts
members.
Any
questions
for
the
presenters.
E
Thank
you
chair.
I
I
just
wanted
to
reference.
I
think
it's
slide
12,
where
it
shows
the
the
the
donut
hole.
Turning
into
a
cake,
I
think
is,
is
what
you
said.
Cameron
mr
dyer,
and
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
reference
that
that
that
swift,
north
line,
as
well
as
that
cross
tie
line,
wouldn't
really
have
the
same
value
and
and
potentially
wouldn't
even
be
like
feasible.
E
If
we
didn't
have
green
link
north
and
greenlink
west,
and
also
that
that
that
would
open
up
access
into
the
entire,
you
know
pacificorp
world
and
the
idaho
power
and
bonneville
power
world
just
by
having
those
two
built,
and
it
also
almost
doubles,
I
believe
the
directional
capacity
of
the
existing
online
line,
just
by
increasing
the
capacity
at
those
substations
with
greenlink,
west
and
greenwich
north,
so
that,
while
those
four
or
five
lines,
don't
don't
necessarily
tell
the
whole
story.
N
A
All
right
see
none
thank
you
all
for
joining
today
and
for
the
great
presentation,
like
I
said,
exciting
things
that
we're
doing
here
in
nevada
and
what
it's
going
to,
how
will
impact
not
just
nevada
but
the
western
region,
I'm
excited
about
where
we're
going
with
this.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
A
K
Picture,
thank
you
very
much.
Let
me
just
set
up
the
screen
chair.
A
K
Great
well,
thank
you.
This
is
sarah
steinberg
for
the
record,
I'm
a
policy
principal
with
advanced
energy
economy,
and
I
first
off
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
giving
me
some
time
today
on
your
packed
agenda
to
talk
about
rto,
a
regional
transmission
organization
in
the
west.
This
is
one
of
our
favorite
topics
at
advanced
energy
economy,
as
many
of
you
know,
we're
a
clean
energy
industry,
association
representing
clean
technology,
businesses
and
large
energy
buyers,
and
we
work
on
issues
related
to
a
clean,
reliable
and
affordable
energy
transition
in
nevada.
K
So
I
just
want
to
note
here
at
the
top
that
for
the
rest
of
this
presentation,
I'll
be
talking
just
about
a
full
western
regional
transmission
organization,
which
reflects
the
market
structure
with
the
greatest
degree
of
coordination
around
the
west
and
ideally
the
largest
geographic
footprint,
and
that's
going
to
be
in
order
to
ensure
the
most
benefits
and
a
full
rto
is,
of
course,
what
is
now
required
by
nevada
law
by
2030..
K
So
just
to
start
off,
I
want
to
congratulate
nevada
on
the
significant
progress
that's
made
towards
the
western
rto
to
date.
This
includes
a
huge
thank
you
to
senator
brooks
the
growth
and
infrastructure
committee
governor
sisilak
for
passing
sb
448
last
session,
that
bill
contained
the
strongest
language
supporting
an
rto
that
we've
seen
today
in
the
west,
which
required
utilities
to
join
in
rto
by
2030.
K
This
bill
even
beat
colorado
to
the
same
deadline
by
just
a
few
days,
which
is
very
exciting
for
nevada.
I
also
want
to
commend
and
the
energy
and
the
public
utilities
commission
of
nevada
for
supporting
major
necessary
investments
in
transmission,
which
is
key
to
helping
move
that
low-cost,
clean
energy
from
the
places
where
it's
most
abundant,
like
nevada
to
population,
centers,
nevada's
leadership
and
the
future
leadership
of
the
regional
transmission
coordination
task
force
really
puts
the
state
in
a
crucial
spot
to
help
shape
the
conversation.
K
Last
time
we
talked
about
rto
before
this
committee
was
back
in
january
of
2020
as
you'll.
Remember,
the
world
looked
really
different
back
then,
and
these
conversations
were
a
lot
more
theoretical,
but
states
and
utilities
are
really
moving
now
and
discussing
what
this
can
and
should
look
like.
K
So
this
presentation
is
going
to
note
those
benefits,
but
at
aw
we
stand
ready
to
answer
questions
and
support
you
in
navigating
the
developments
moving
forward.
So
to
begin.
This
is
everyone's
favorite
map.
You've
seen
it
from
all
three
of
your
presenters
today
and
you've
heard
a
lot
from
the
other
presenters
about
what
an
rto
is
and
what
it
can
provide.
So
I'll
just
be
quick
here
and
emphasize
again.
K
An
rto
is
a
competitive
regional
energy
market
that,
in
essence,
is
helping
to
ensure
that
the
lowest
cost
energy,
regardless
of
where
it's
generated
around
the
west,
is
used
to
serve
customer
demand
wherever
that
demand
is
and
at
reasonable
costs
and
benefits
to
the
buyers
and
sellers
of
that
energy.
So
an
rto
is
the
platform
that
takes
in
all
of
those
available
energy
resources
across
the
geographic
footprint
and
distributes
it
more
efficiently.
K
K
Ultimately,
what
this
all
means
is
that
more
solar
and
geothermal
and
other
energy
resources
can
be
built
in
nevada,
which
creates
jobs
and
tax
revenue
for
the
host
municipalities
and
counties
and
as
you've
seen
from
other
presenters
nevada.
Is
that
hole
in
the
west
in
terms
of
transmission?
So
the
regional
connectivity
is
going
to
require
a
lot
of
transmission
construction
in
the
state
which
creates
more
jobs
in
revenue.
K
All
of
this,
especially
the
improved
grid
efficiency
and
the
coordinated
planning,
is
going
to
add
up
to
real
monetary
savings.
So
a
study
that
was
actually
led
by
western
state
energy
officials,
including
nevada
representatives
from
the
office
of
energy
and
the
public
utilities
commission,
found
that
the
gross
benefits
of
a
full
rto
can
be
up
to
two
billion
dollars
by
2030,
with
45
million
annually
flowing
directly
to
nevada
one
of
the
ways
it
does.
This
is
just
by
simply
reducing
energy
waste
available.
K
Low-Cost,
clean
resources
will
be
more
effectively
deployed
and
less
likely
to
be
curtailed
or
turned
off
because
they
can't
reach
customers
who
have
that
demand.
The
low-cost
resources
are
then
displacing
the
production
of
energy
from
high-cost
often
fuel-based,
generating
plants
that
are
more
expensive
to
operate
and
also
expose
energy
customers
to
more
volatile
commodity
pricing.
K
The
key
here
I
think,
and
and
one
of
the
biggest
takeaways
I'd
like
for
all
of
you
to
have
from
this
presentation.
Nevada
has
set
out
energy
policy
goals
in
legislation
in
its
climate
strategy.
In
executive
orders
and
in
regulation
going,
it
alone
is
going
to
cost
an
event.
Nevada
energy
consumers
way
more
than
it
needs
to
in
both
energy
and
infrastructure
costs,
because
nevada
would
otherwise
have
to
build
and
pay
for
everything
itself.
So
when
rto
really
is
the
least
cost
pathway
to
a
reliable,
affordable
and
clean
energy
feature
for
the
state
of
nevada.
K
But
those
extremes
are
getting
more
and
more
extreme.
Like
the
prolonged
heat
waves
that
nevada
has
experienced
in
some
of
its
past
summers,
regional
collaboration
through
an
rto
means
that
nevada
doesn't
have
to
carry
itself
alone.
If
a
severe
temperature
event
is
hitting
nevada
and
causes
a
number
of
its
generators
to
go
offline
or
maybe
requires
a
lot
more
energy
to
power
up
everyone's
ac
units
for
longer
than
expected,
nevada
will
still
have
access
to
energy
from,
for
example,
oregon,
which
maybe
is
experiencing
different
weather
conditions.
K
K
So
this
is
not
some
be-all
and
end-all
solution
to
reliability
and
resilience,
there's
a
lot
more
work
that
needs
to
be
done
to
support,
distributed
energy
resources
and
microgrids
to
keep
homes
and
neighborhoods
and
critical
facilities
running
during
different
sorts
of
extremes.
But
it
is
really
a
key
component
to
a
grid.
That's
sort
of
ready
to
face
the
expected
unexpecteds,
especially
temperature
extremes,
and,
as
you
all
know,
a
reliable
grid
is
really
key
to
economic,
health,
energy,
intensive
businesses
and
industries,
especially
in
including
entertainment,
venues
and
data.
K
Centers
need
to
be
assured
that
their
their
operations
won't
be
adversely
affected
by
grid
conditions,
and
that
gives
them
confidence
to
operate
in
nevada,
but,
furthermore,
large
energy
users,
like
some
of
those
that
I
just
called
out,
who
are
often
large
employers
generally
or
sometimes
prefer
to
cite
their
businesses
in
regions
where
they
are
being
served
by
an
rto.
K
This
is
because
an
rto
provides
more
energy
purchasing
options
for
them
to
meet
their
sustainability
or
clean
energy
goals.
Nearly
half
of
the
largest
publicly
traded
companies
in
this
country
today
have
clean
energy
commitments.
That
number
is
growing
and
rtos
offer
access
to
what
we
call
virtual
power
purchase
agreements,
which
is
one
of
the
primary
vehicles
for
companies
to
procure
clean
energy,
which
require
a
renewable
energy
developer
to
be
able
to
deliver
their
power
into
a
wholesale
market.
K
Rtos
also
offer
transparency
into
energy
and
capacity
pricing
which
helps
craft
green
pricing
programs,
which
is
another
avenue
that
companies
can
use
to
access
and
sort
of
claim
clean
energy
resources
to
match
their
goals
and
rtos
offer
more
value.
Streams
for
aggregated
distributed.
Energy
resources
like,
for
example,
solar
on
a
home
or
business
and
storage
and
demand
response.
K
So
all
of
this
is
to
say
that
an
rto
provides
nevada
with
a
pathway
towards
its
goals,
while
also
benefiting
the
state's
economy,
with
both
energy
and
non-energy
jobs,
cost
clean,
reliable
energy
to
serve
nevada
customers,
and
that's
why
I
think
you
see
support
for
the
rto
provisions
of
sb
448
last
session
coming
from
across
the
board.
That's
businesses,
that's
clean
energy
developers,
that's
large
energy
users,
environmental
ngos
and
more
so.
The
logos
here
came
from
a
sign-on
letter
in
support
of
the
legislation
and
its
provisions
to
require
utilities
to
join
an
rto
by
2030..
K
Nevada
is,
of
course,
not
the
only
state
making
moves
towards
an
rto.
As
I
mentioned,
a
colorado
bill
last
session
also
required
utilities
to
join
in
rto
by
2030.
the
colorado
public
utilities,
commission
just
determined
an
rto
to
be
in
the
public
interest.
K
I
also
want
to
shout
out
here
that
ferc
commissioners
are
fully
supportive
of
a
western
rto
and
have
indicated
their
willingness
to
let
the
west
take
the
lead
to
design
something
new
that
really
works
for
the
west
and
its
unique
needs.
I
think
you
know
there
were
some
questions
earlier
on
about
what
these
other
rtos
and
other
regions
look
like,
and
we've
learned
a
lot
of
good
lessons
from
those
rtos
and
can
take
the
elements
we
like
and
use
those
mix
and
match
create
new
things
all
to
serve
this
region.
K
So
the
the
west
is
really
stepping
up
to
do.
Just
that,
and
should
continue
to
do
so
so
to
close
out
I've
listed
here,
a
number
of
the
items
that
the
newly
formed
task
force
is
going
to
study
and
we
look
forward
to
assisting
it.
K
The
task
force
really
does
have
the
opportunity
to
maintain
nevada's
leadership
role
as
states
discuss
what
this
rto
of
the
future
and
rto
for
the
west
and
by
the
west
should
look
like
nevada's,
really
at
a
competitive
advantage
here,
because
of
its
first
mover
status
with
the
legislation
because
of
its
geographic
position.
K
It's
really
critical
to
making
an
rto
work
and
making
sure
those
benefits
are
all
realized
across
the
entire
west.
So
really
do
commend
the
committee
and
the
legislature
and
the
governor
for
all
of
the
work
to
position
nevada
to
date
on
this
complicated,
but
really
critical
topic.
K
This
work
to
establish
something
really
new
is
is
hard
and
difficult
and
there's
different
interests
in
the
different
states,
but
keep
up
the
momentum
and
keep
up
the
conversation,
because
an
affordable,
reliable,
clean
energy
grid
really
does
require
a
western
rto
at
the
end
of
the
day.
So
I
am
happy
to
take
any
questions,
but
that
is
the
end
of
my
presentation.
A
A
C
Thank
you
chair
to
participate
in
public
comment.
Please
press
the
raise
hand
in
your
zoom
window
or
star
9
on
your
phone
to
take
your
place
in
the
queue.
C
Okay
chair:
there
are
no
participants
wishing
to
participate
in
public
comment
at
this
time.
A
Perfect
well,
I'd
like
to
thank
all
of
our
presenters,
make
sure
that
I
am
unmuted
all
of
our
presenters
that
were
able
to
join
us
here
today
and
the
members
thank
you
for
for
jumping
on,
for
our
first
meeting
being
that
we
have
no
one
in
our
waiting
room
wishing
to
make
comments.
This
will
conclude
today's
meeting
but
put
on
your
calendar.
Our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
march
9th
2022
and
it
begin
at
10
a.m,
and
with
that
this
meeting
is
adjourned
have
a
great
day.