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B
Okay
well
good
afternoon
and
for
the
record
my
name
is
jeff
fontaine
and
I
am
with
the
humble
river
basin
water
authority
and
certainly
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
this
subcommittee
with
an
update
on
the
issues
in
the
humboldt
river
basin.
This
picture
is,
is
a
picture
of
palisade
and
palisade.
Is
this?
Is
in
a
high
flow
year?
B
It's
not
what
you
would
find
if
you
were
out
there
today,
but
palisades
the
hydrological
divide
between
the
upper
and
lower
humboldt
and
above
the
palisade
constriction,
the
flows
in
the
humble
increase.
So
it's
a
gaining
river
and
below
the
flow
is
decreased
and
it's
a
it's
a
losing
river,
and
this
is
the
gauge
one
of
many
on
the
humboldt
river
operated
by
usgs
and
others.
But
this
is
the
gauge
which
is
really
used
for
determining
and
scheduling
the
delivery
amounts
of
humble
river,
decreed
rights.
B
So
the
humboldt
river
basin
water
authority
was
established
in
1995
by
elko
eureka,
lander,
humboldt
and
persian
counties
and
was
established
pursuant
to
nevada's
interlocal
cooperation
act,
and
it
was
foreign
to
oppose
a
propos
to
oppose
a
proposed
export
project
in
excess
of
three
hundred
thousand
acre
feet
of
groundwater
from
the
upper
humble
river
basin
to
the
lower
carson
river
basin
and
that
application
was
ultimately
denied
and
so
for
the
past
27
years.
B
The
board
of
directors
have
continued
to
meet
to
discuss
water,
water
issues
in
the
humboldt
region.
This
is
the
geography
of
the
humboldt
river
basin.
It's
entirely
within
the
state
of
of
nevada,
has
a
massive
drainage
area
of
over
410
square
miles,
and
it's
about
330
miles
in
length,
although
others
put
the
length
actually
a
lot
higher
because
of
its
mandarin
nature.
B
But
the
river
terminates
in
a
sink
near
the
churchill
persian
county
line
which
is
protected
as
part
of
the
humboldt
wildlife
management
area,
geography,
it's
divided
into
an
upper
middle
and
lower
division
and
again
hydrologically.
It's
divided
into
two
basins
as
described
earlier.
B
As
far
as
the
river
and
the
valleys
and
its
importance
to
early
migration
in
the
history
of
the
west,
a
couple
of
really
important
points
here,
I
think
to
point
out.
Historically,
the
high
flows
in
the
humboldt
river
were
documented
between
1905
and
1925,
so
over
300
000
acre
feet,
but
then
immediately
following
that
there
was
a
substantial
decline
in
flows
beginning
in
about
1925
through
1935.
B
However,
during
that
time
the
state
engineer
started
putting
together
a
northern
determination
with
a
court
as
a
result
of
increased
demand
and
conflict
between
agricultural
users
and
ultimately,
the
bartlett
decree
was
entered
in
1931
in
subsequent
amendments
through
the
hours
decree
1935.
So
these
are
state
decrees,
there's
no
federal
element
in
the
management
of
the
humboldt
river,
except
I
would
point
out
that
the
humboldt
river
is
considered
a
water
of
the
u.s
and
regulated
as
such
by
the
us
epa
and
army
corps
of
engineers.
B
So
the
point
here
is
that
those
decrees
were
based
on
irrigated
acreage
during
a
time
of
plenty
of
water
and
most
of
the
the
most
senior
humble
river
source
them
system,
surface
rights
date
back
to
1861.
So
practically
all
of
the
junior
groundwater
rights.
After
that,
our
junior
those
those
surface
decreed
rights.
B
So
you're
all
familiar
with
the
economy,
I
believe,
of
the
humboldt
river
basin.
Water
is
extremely
important
to
all
of
all
those
economic
sectors-
mining,
agriculture
and,
of
course,
the
corridor
is
important
for
key
infrastructure.
B
These
are
some
of
the
data
on
the
characteristics
of
the
river,
so
469
000
acre
feet
of
perennial
groundwater
yield
and
approximately
757
or
758
000
acre
feet
of
committing
groundwater
rights.
So
there's
very
little
of
any
groundwater
that
remains
in
23,
the
the
34
groundwater
basins
are
over
appropriated
and
basically
all
the
groundwater
basins
within
the
humble
river
basin
have
been
designated
by
the
state
engineer,
and
the
bottom
line
is
that
long-term
over
pumping
of
groundwater
in
those
basins
is
impacting
the
base
flow
of
the
humboldt
river.
B
These
are
the
factors
contributing
to
diminished
flow
in
the
in
the
humboldt
river
loss
of
functioning
riparian
areas.
B
These
are
creating
problems
with
erosion,
undercutting
the
banks
and
creating
a
lot
of
meandering
of
the
river
and
reduces
the
amount
of
groundwater,
recharge
and
and
floodwater
retention
and
overall
storage
again,
groundwater
pumping
decades
of
groundwater
pumping
has
led
to
increased
capture
of
humboldt
river
water
and
its
tributaries
and,
as
a
result,
conflicts
with
rights
of
the
humble
decree.
B
Warming
trends
have
been
talked
about
a
lot
today,
and
certainly
the
humboldt
river
region
is
no
exception,
reduced
snowpack
and
earlier
runoff.
B
As
a
result
of
warming
weather
during
the
period
of
2012
2015,
the
humboldt
region
experienced
one
of
the
worst
droughts
since
1902,
and
the
annual
flow
at
that
palisade
gauge
for
the
four-year
period
averaged
about
eighty-two
thousand,
maybe
eighty-three
thousand
acre
feet,
which
was
thirty
percent
of
the
historical
average
flow,
and
this
year
the
lower
humble
precipitation
water
year
so
october,
1
2021
to
april
30th
2022
was
104
percent
of
the
median,
so
that
was
the
precipitation,
but
the
snowpack
was
only
79
percent
in
the
media
and
in
the
upper
humboldt
region,
precipitation
was
90
percent
of
the
median,
but
snowpack
was
only
37
percent.
B
Rain
is
good,
but
snow's
a
lot
better,
because
how
much
total
winter
snowfall
you
get
and
at
the
end
of
the
winter,
and
how
fast
that
snow,
melts
and
when
it
melts,
are
really
really
important
to
the
to
the
operation
of
the
system
as
you've
heard
from
others
as
well,
and
it's
a
reservoir.
It's
it's.
The
reservoir
in
the
upper
humble
region,
so
less
snow
means
less
storage
and
less
a
lot.
B
Less
uncertainty
for
the
river,
and
on
top
of
that
there
is
the
possibility
that
a
lot
of
that
snowmelt
was
actually
being
lost
through
sublimation.
So
it
goes
from
snowy
to
vapor
and
is
lost
to
the
entire
system
as
well.
So.
B
These
are
some
of
the
graphics
and
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
this,
the
streamflow
palisade
from
1902
to
2021..
This
is
a
in
six
year
blocks
again
may
20th.
B
The
streamflow
of
palisade
was
99
cubic
feet
per
second
or
89
below
average,
and
that
peak
flow
typically
occurs
between
may
and
june,
and
based
on
this
graph
and
others,
it
appears
that
the
peak
flow
may
have
already
occurred
early
to
mid
april
and
as
far
as
storage
is
concerned,
really
the
only
significant
storage
on
the
system
is
at
rye
patch,
which
is
what's
used
at
the
lower
end
of
the
system
for
irrigation
in
persian
county
may,
1st
2021,
the
storage
capacity
at
rye
patch
is
29
may
first
of
this
year.
B
B
It
will
occur
again
this
year
and
during
years
of
average
or
better
flows,
then
you've
got
no
storage
to
capture
those
flows
and
in
2017
was
about
300
000
acre
feet
that
flowed
out
into
the
sink,
and
I
believe
that
was
the
first
year
in
many,
where
the
humboldt
sink
and
the
carson
sink
actually
merged
because
of
those
overflows.
B
So
little
no
storage
capacity
results
in
little
to
no
drought
reserve
within
the
humboldt
river
basin
and
with
a
short
time,
I've
got
left.
Conjunctive
management
is
really
a
big
issue
and
and
in
the
humboldt
region,
it's
really
sort
of
the
big
test
case
for
how
you
apply
or
implement
conjunctive
management
on
a
system-wide
basis.
B
Conjunctive
management
is
has
been
utilized
by
the
state
engineer
a
lot
in
the
past.
When
you
talk
about
individual
wells
and
groundwater
impacts
on
a
stream
or
a
river,
but
in
the
case
of
a
large
complex
system
like
this,
it
takes
a
lot
of
work.
It
takes
a
lot
of
discussion
and
thought
about
how
to
do
this,
and
the
state
engineer
did
issue
an
interim
order.
B
B
But
what
I
can
tell
you
is
probably
the
most
important
thing
that
we're
seeing
is
the
efforts
by
the
state
engineer
to
work
with
usgs
and
the
desert
research
institute
to
put
together
the
capture
studies
to
help
guide
that
implementation
of
that
order.
So
I'm
out
of
time
on
on
this
particular
presentation,
we
have
some
recommendations
in
here
that
we'll
bring
back
in
order
to
the
committee
subcommittee
at
a
further
a
later
date.
A
A
B
This
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
what
the
central
nevada
regional
water
authority
is,
and
it's
again
a
regional
government
established
by
the
member
counties,
nine
member
counties
in
this
case,
which
collectively
cover
about
80
percent
of
nevada's
land
area
and
a
23
member
board
of
directors
consisting
of
a
combination
of
county
commissioners
and
community
members.
B
So
the
central
hydrographic
region,
in
order
for
a
member
county
to
be
a
member,
it
has
to
have
a
portion
of
the
central
hydrographic
region
within
its
boundaries.
There
are
78
groundwater
basins
within
12,
nevada
counties.
It
is
the
largest
of
nevada's
14
hydrographic
regions
covering
much
of
the
central
eastern
southern
nevada,
and
the
central
hydrographic
region
is
characterized
by
the
absence
of
regional
surface
flows.
Groundwater
basins-
and
there
are
some
interconnected,
subsurface
flow,
deep
bedrock,
bedrock
aquifers
and
some
some
productive,
allele
aquifers
as
well.
B
Tourism,
and
I
I
just
want
to
mention
tourism
and
specifically
outdoor
recreation,
is
really
becoming
an
important
sector
for
rural
nevada
economic
sector,
including
the
nine
crwa
member
counties,
and
you
know,
bodies
of
water
are
really
a
significant
outdoor
recreation
asset
that
provide
those
water-based
activities
such
as
boating
fishing,
and
brings
quite
a
bit
of
revenue
into
the
state
and
makes
nevada
a
great
place
to
visit
and
people
wanting
to
move
here.
B
The
issues
in
the
central
region
are
no
different
than
pretty
much
any
other,
every
other
region
that
you've
heard
from
today,
and
that's
balancing
the
demands
among
the
various
users,
domestic
municipal,
agricultural
and
industrial
users,
and
dealing
with
the
various
conflicts
again.
This
is
really
a
statewide
issue,
but
within
the
central
region
it's
really
real,
really
intensified
as
well
protection
of
existing
water
rights.
B
But
we
are
really
it's
really
important
to
the
cnrwa
members
that
no
new
permits
are
issued
for
a
new
water
appropriation
or
a
change
of
an
existing
appropriation.
If
there's
going
to
be
a
conflict,
even
if
there
is
some
some
interest
in
improving
a
new
appropriation
or
a
to
try
to
mitigate
that
that
conflict
there
there
should
be
no
conflict
and
I
think
we're
pretty
resolute
on
on
that
particular
position.
B
Innovation
transfers
of
groundwater
from
rural
nevada
excuse
me
advance
the
slides,
interbasin
transfers
of
groundwater
from
rural
nevada
to
urban
nevada.
I
think
that
pretty
well
speaks
for
itself,
drought,
again,
no
there's
no
escape
from
the
drought
in
central
in
the
central
region.
B
Most
of
the
region
is
currently
in
severe
to
extreme
drought,
and
you
can
begin
to
see
what
those
higher
temperatures
are
leading
increase,
evaporation,
demand
and
decrease
in
the
yields
of
the
alfalfa
and
hay
fields.
Pasture
conditions
are
very
poor.
Of
course,
fire
activities
are
increasing
as
well
and
buying
dry.
B
Vine
dry
describes
a
class
of
water
transactions
that
typically
involve
a
municipality
or
other
local
government
paying
the
owner
or
owners
of
a
farm
for
summer,
all
their
available
water
rights
and
agricultural
water
transfers.
It's
it's
really
a,
I
believe,
a
slow
and,
and
rather
invisible
flow
of
water.
B
If
you
will,
from
the
region's
agricultural
industry
heritage
to
to
meet
the
demands
of
of
growth,
urban
growth-
and
this
is
a
phrase
I
think
is-
it-
was
coined
in
colorado
where
that
is
taking
place
and
something
that
we
are
very
concerned
about
in
the
central
region
as
well.
B
B
The
only
operating
lithium
ion
in
the
united
states,
which
is
in
plate
valley
and
according
to
the
division
of
minerals,
lithium,
expiration
and
that
has
has
drastically
increased
in
the
past
couple
of
years
and
they
estimated
almost
15
000
active,
filed
and
submitted
plaster
claims
being
located
in
nevada,
presumably
for
lithium
brine
in
18
different
hydrographic
regions,
most
of
which
are
in
the
central
region,
and
so
there
is
some
concern
on
behalf
of
the
cnrwa
about
the
potential
negative
impacts
that
evaporative
techniques
used
in
mining.
B
Over
appropriation,
groundwater
resources.
These
are
the
figures.
Almost
half
the
groundwater
basins
in
the
region
are
designated
and
diamond
valley
is
the
only
base
in
nevada
currently
designated
as
a
critical
management
area.
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
that
because
that
discussion
that
was
covered
very
well
this
morning
and
I
think,
as
far
as
recommendations,
we
support
increased
funding
to
the
division
of
water
resources
to
restore
staffing,
update
water
basin
budgets,
adjudicate
basins,
digitize
data.
B
This
biennium
support
the
need
for
need-based
funding
for
counties
for
parent
update
water
resource
plans.
This
is
a
result
of
senate
bill
150,
which
was
enacted
in
2019
legislative
session
to
require
all
counties
to
prepare
a
water
resource
plan
over
the
course
of
about
10
years
and
keep
those
updated,
and
there
are
those
counties
that
are
needing
assistance
to
to
finish
and
complete
those
plans
and
then,
lastly,
establish
county
groundwater
boards
for
over-appropriated
basins.
B
Again,
this
is
an
issue
that
we've
been
working
on
and
and
we'll
continue
to
work
on
the
state
engineer,
to
find
a
way
that
we
can
authorize
local
groundwater
boards
in
the
counties
for
over
appropriated
basins,
so
that
we
can
try
to
avoid
them
becoming
critical
management
areas
and
try
to
be
proactive
in
in
the
management
of
those
basins.
So
that
concludes
my
remarks
on
this
presentation
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and,
and
I
apologize
I
had
to
managing
a
couple
different
things.
So
one
of
your
concerns
is
listed
as
buy
and
dry.
Could
you
expand
on
that?
Please.
B
So
what
has
happened
in
in
in
other
states,
particularly
colorado,
is
that
as
the
urban
areas
grow,
that
the
water
purveyors
will
go
out
and
buy
up
farms
and
from
willing,
william
sellers
and
over
time
it's
not
just
one
farm.
It's
multiple
farms
and-
and
there
are
you-
know,
cases
where
entire
communities
basically
have
lost
their
their
farming
operations
to
the
point
where
it's
become
an
economic
problem
and
you
know
problem
for
the
entire
community.
B
A
B
Quite
frank
for
the
record:
jeff
fontaine:
quite
frankly,
I
hadn't
really
thought
about
it
in
those
terms,
but
I
guess
potentially
that
is
an
example
of
maybe
a
buy
and
drive
scenario,
but
I
think
it's
more
well,
I
I
guess
potentially
it
could
be.
B
Well,
that's
that's
right,
and
I
think
in
that
case
it's
more
of
a
well
it's
an
environmental
restoration
project
and
and
probably
more
a
case
of
returning
water
to
where
it
had
originally
flowed
in
the
first
place,
right.
A
C
C
So
I'm
glad
to
see
you
guys
trying
to
work
it
out
together
when
you
we
talk
about
that
this
example
of
buy
and
dry,
I'm
thinking,
owens
valley,
is
that
more
of
what
we
think
of
as
buy
and
dry,
where
the
water
literally
did
go
down
to
southern
california,
where
maybe
with
the
walker
it
went
to
a
lake.
But
mono
lake
took
the
hit
on
some
of
that.
If
I,
if,
if
I'm
recalling
that
right,
I'm
just
curious
on
that,
but
I
do
have
another
question.
B
For
the
record
jeff
fontaine
and
madam
chair
of
through
you
to
assemblywoman
hanson,
I
mean,
I
guess
back
then
in
the
early
days.
Buying
dry
wasn't
really
a
phrase,
but
I
guess
today
you
could
probably
apply
that
that
terminology
to
what
happened
in
owens
valley.
C
B
Again
for
the
record,
jeff
fontaine,
again
through
madam
chair
to
assemblywoman
hanson,
so
last
session,
the
central
nevada
regional
water
authority
made
a
recommendation
to
the
public
lands
committee
to
authorize
the
establishment
of
local
groundwater
boards
or
county
groundwater
boards
in
counties
that
had
basins
that
were
designated
and
state
engineer
had
concerns
about
that,
and
so
we've
been
meeting
with
the
state
engineer
to
try
to
figure
out.
B
You
know
how
we
could
come
to
agreement
on
on
our
interest
and
our
interest
is
to
make
sure
I
guess
or
provide
a
better
opportunity
if
you
will,
for
local
groundwater
users,
the
community,
the
county
commissioners,
whoever
needs
to
be
involved
in
those
discussions
locally
to
talk
about
and
have
some
input
into,
decisions
that
are
made
by
the
state
engineer.
So
the
state
engineer
can
hear
those
voices
and-
and
we
thought
it
was
a
pretty
good
idea.
The
impediment
right
now
is
there's
already
authority
to
establish
local
groundwater
boards.
B
The
problem
is,
we
don't
want
to
do
it
that
way,
because
it
would
require
those
local
groundwater
boards
to
do
x,
y
and
z.
It's
it's
in
it's
in
the
nrs.
That's
not
the
intent
here,
but
that's
the
way
the
statute
reads
and
we
don't
want
to
create
any
more
delays.
We
just
want
to
provide
input
and
have
some
more
involvement
in
those
decisions,
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
work
through
whatever
the
state
engineer's
remaining
concerns
might
be
on
that
topic
and
bring
a
recommendation
back
to
this
subcommittee.
B
For
the
record,
jeff
fontaine
again
for
you,
madam
chair
to
senator
hanson
humboldt
county
joined
about
three
years
ago
or
four
years
ago,
and
we're
very
grateful
that
they
they
did
because
they
only
have
a
very
small
portion
of
one
basin
within
humboldt
county,
but
they
felt
it
was
important
to
be
part
of
the
part
of
the
central
nevada
regional
water
authority.
Well,
I'm.
D
Just
glad
to
see
it,
I
remember
last
time
I
was
having
followed
up
on
that
in
a
while.
They
were,
we
talked
to
them
and
tried
to
get
them
to
join.
No
luck!
Your
your
question
on
evaporative
pond
extraction
of
lithium
albemarle
has
twenty
thousand
acre
feet
of
water
in
clayton
valley,
they're,
the
only
ones
I
know
that
use
the
evaporative
process
ion
air
and
thacker
pass.
I
understand,
are
not
brine
related
at
all.
D
B
Again
for
the
record,
jeff
fontaine,
again
through
you,
chair
to
senator
hanson,
no
we're
fully
aware
of
albemarle's
operations,
they've
been
yeah,
1967
or
maybe
even
longer,
and
what
their
processes
are.
We're
aware
of
other
claims.
Railroad
valley,
for
example,
is
one,
although
in
that
case
the
indications
are
that
there
would
be
a
lot
less
consumptive
use.
B
Quite
quite
frankly,
when
I
saw
the
the
number
of
claims
that
are
out
there
in
those
basins
out
of
15
000
claims,
I
have
no
idea,
but
as
of
today,
yeah
album
r
is
is
about
the
only
the
only
operation.
That's
using.
What's
the
only
operation
at
all
in
nevada
for
lithium
extraction
and
it's
brine,
evaporation,
okay,.
D
I
just
wondered
if
there
was
something
I
was
missing
there,
because
you
know,
with
the
exception
of
them,
and
all
the
newer
ones
seem
to
be
more
traditional
mining
methods,
not
not
the
evaporative
pond
type
plus,
I
assume,
if
they
do
have
an
evaporative
pond,
they
would
have
to
get
the
water
rights
cleared
through
the
state
engineer
and
purchase
from
the
local
people
or
whatever.
So
I
think,
there's
some
checks
and
balances
in
there,
but
all
right.
Well.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
only
a
couple
of
questions.
Halfway,
jeff.
B
A
Funty
appreciate
it
so
with
that,
I
believe
we
can
go
to
item
13,
a
presentation
on
the
turkey
carson
irrigation
district.
E
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
members
of
the
society,
I'm
so
grateful
for
your
work
and
this
opportunity
to
present
a
little
bit
of
information
about
our
district,
we're
we're
very
proud
of
that.
It
has
existed
since
1918
and
unique
to
our
district,
and
I
suppose
I
better
go
ahead
and
provide
a
little
more
information
about
who
I
am.
E
I
am
the
general
manager
I
have
served
in
that
capacity
for
12
years
and
I
also
serve
as
general
counsel
and
in
that
12
years
we
have
seen
a
lot
of
different
things
occur.
As
you
can
appreciate,
we
saw
the
breach
of
the
truckee
canelo
and
gennade,
and
I
came
on
board
with
the
district
in
2010,
and
I
I
suppose
I
can
say
my
mission
was
to
help
resolve
all
of
the
conflict
that
arose
from
that
catastrophic
event,
and
I
have
a
little
bit
of
information
about
that
to
share
with
you.
E
Naturally,
I
we
present
for
your
consideration.
E
I
suppose
all
of
you
have
a
few
of
the
little
photographs
and
I'll
go
through
those
and
turn,
but
one
of
the
most
startled
graphs
that
I
present
to
you
naturally
is
of
the
city
of
fernley
inundated
with
water
back
during
that
flood
event,
that
breach
of
the
canal
occurred
in
on
january,
I
believe,
was
january
5th
of
2008
and
if
you
can
visualize
the
amount
of
water
in
a
canal
at
that
time
it
was
flowing
at
about
750
cfs,
that's
quite
a
that's
a
pretty
good
rate
and
because
of
the
topography
of
the
area
there
when
that
breached,
the
canal
is
very
flat
honestly,
and
so
the
water
was
actually
flowing
out
of
that
breech
area
and
from
both
directions
compounding
the
effect
upon
those
homes
that
were
were
inundated
after
that
occurred.
E
Of
course,
we
engaged
in
multiple
studies.
It's
the
truckee
canal
has
probably
become
one
of
the
most
studied
canals
you
can
possibly
envision
it.
As
john
zimmerman
has
described,
and
I
was
going
to
add.
I
suppose
that,
having
had
john
here
before
me
and
ed
james
here
before
me,
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
may
have.
E
The
only
addition
I
make
to
both
of
those
is
that
when
we
talk
about
the
truckee
canal
or
the
carson
river
or
the
truckee
river,
for
that
matter,
I
always
apply
the
personal
pronoun,
my
my
truckee
river,
my
carson
river,
my
truckee
canal,
my
lahontan
reservoir,
that's
how
we
view
it
and
I'm
proud
of
everyone
who
has
participated
here,
because
I
have
always
viewed
those
of
us
involved
in
water
matters.
It's
a
mission,
it's
more
than
a
job.
It's
important
to
us.
E
Water
is
precious
as
you
well
know,
as
we
all
know,
and
so,
as
a
result
of
that
breach
of
the
truckee
canal,
the
innumerable
studies
that
have
occurred,
the
investigations
our
daily
checks
post
breach
when
we
restored
that
to
its
operating
condition.
It
took
several
months.
We
put
it
back
in
order
and
after
that
everything
changed
the
way
it's
operated.
E
It's
been
operated
in
a
completely
different
fashion,
since
the
breach
we
have
14
monitoring
sites
on
the
canal.
With
alarms.
Now
that
tell
us
when
we
exceed
a
certain
stage
elevation
within
the
prism
of
that
canal
system,
things
certainly
have
changed
and
now
comes
the
time
in
our
day
here
where
we
finally
have
the
money
before
us
with
which
to
do
something
about
it
and
owing
to
the
bill
or
the
by
you
know
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
that
was
passed
most
recently.
E
E
The
environmental
impact
statement
that
came
out
associated
with
this
project
provided
that
and
a
record
of
decision
that
ensued
from
the
regional
director
in
sacramento
with
the
bureau
of
reclamation,
provided
that
the
preferred
alternative
out
of
that
was
to
take
12
miles
of
the
canal
and
line
it
we're
talking
about
an
80
foot
section,
each
foot,
lineal
foot
over
of
concrete
over
topping
a
geo
membrane
lining,
and
so
the
cost
of
that
is
roughly.
It's
exceeds
10
million
dollars
a
mile.
E
The
scope
of
it
has
been
reduced
to
approximately
3.56
miles
of
concrete,
lined
canal,
and
we
will
replace
what
is
known
as
the
fernley
check
structure,
a
large
structure
there
that
we
use
with
which
to
build
up
the
bay
with
which
to
provide
a
delivery
of
water
in
the
area
of
firmly
now
things
have
changed
infernally,
as
you
can
appreciate.
E
We
didn't
anticipate
that
would
happen
in
2008,
obviously,
but
things
have
changed,
and
so
many
homes
are
going
up.
These
fields
have
been
taken
out
of
production
in
1948
or
thereabouts.
We
had
probably
in
excess
of
eleven
thousand
acres
of
irrigated
lands
and
that's
down
to
fifteen
hundred
and
incredible
change
has
occurred
and
then
the
breach.
Now
we
have
a
problem,
we've
got
to
make
it
safe,
and
that
was
the
reason
for
going
through
this
process
of
an
eis,
culminating
in
a
record
of
decision
and
so
in
making
it
safe.
E
The
city
of
fernley
has
sued
to
enjoin
that
I
suppose,
because
of
that
historical
reliance
upon
that
groundwater,
seepage,
for
which
there's
no
water
right
associated
with
it.
No
precedent
for
that
presently,
but
relief
has
been
sought
through
the
federal
district
court
for
the
district
of
nevada.
On
to
the
ninth
circuit
court
of
appeals
and
we're
hopeful
at
some
point.
Perhaps
those
issues
can
be
resolved,
I'm
not
sure
quite
how
yet
perhaps
with
the
addition
of
other
sources
of
water.
E
But
it's
an
incredible
challenge
for
that
community
and
we
are
very
in
tune
with
that,
and
so
that's
something
to
consider
in
time
to
come,
as
as
you
go
through
your
deliberations
and
the
sessions
upcoming
naturally,
but
we're
going
on
with
that-
and
it's
no
small
challenge
for
a
little
district,
a
little
history.
E
We
have
approximately
three
thousand
water
users
in
this
project.
The
largest
single
water
user
is
the
united
states,
fish
and
wildlife
service
serving
the
water
national
refuge
out
there.
In
our
neck
of
the
woods
we
have
a
tribe,
we
have
a
city,
we
have
a
county,
we
have
the
state
of
nata
the
division
of
wildlife
and
we
have
the
united
states
navy
and,
I
would
add
it
takes
a
little
water
out
there
to
float
the
navy.
E
We
do
just
fine
and
we're
very
proud
of
that
association
in
our
community,
but
we
have
all
of
these
varied
uses
and
our
mission
remains
constant,
but
we
have
a
small
user
base,
and
so,
when
you
take
a
35
million
dollar
bill
to
build
this,
this
is
non-reimbursable.
E
E
E
Why?
What?
If
we
don't
do
this,
the
reality
is
that
if
we
don't
provide
for
a
permanent
repair,
because
that's
what
we've
been
looking
for
since
2008,
if
that
doesn't
happen,
the
permanent
solution
would
be.
In
the
absence
of
that
concrete
lining.
I've
spoken
of
the
solution
would
be
to
limit
flow
in
the
truckee
canal
to
140
cfs,
unchecked,
no
ability
to
raise
it
against
those
check
structures.
It
would
be
at
that
level
allowing
140
cfs
flow
through
fernley
out
to
luhan
for
storage
there
for
use
by
the
users
below
the
hunt
and
dam.
E
A
D
The
vote
vote
you're,
going
to
3000
people
vote,
but
obviously
the
different
percentages
mentioned
fish
and
wildlife
service
actually
has
the
highest
ownership
is
the
is
the
voting
based
on
the
percentage
of
vote
ownership,
for
example,
if
half
of
the
water
rights
are
controlled
by
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
service,
they
control
half
of
the
vote.
And
how
do
you
work
that
out
when
you
have
3
000
people
there?
Thank.
E
You
rusty
jardine
for
the
record
and
yeah
that's
an
important
issue
under
state
law
under
chapter
539.
We
have
a
weighted
voting
system,
but
we
don't
allow
those
other
governments
to
enter
into
the
fray
they're,
not
deemed
electors
for
purposes
of
voting.
And
so
these
are
you
know
our
farmers.
Typically,
that
will
engage
in
that
voting
process
and.
D
So
you
have
a
weight.
Is
this?
I
just
kind
of
wonder
how
you
did
that
I
think
it
was
1993.
We
had
question
two.
I
think
it
was
on
the
ballot
which
allowed
the
department
of
wildlife
to
buy
water
rights
to
transfer
that
water
down
to
still
water
is
that
program?
I
think
that
I
think
that
funding
is
actually.
Finally,
I
think
it
was
a
30-year
allocation
or
some
some
amount
that
was
set
up.
It
was
a
tax
based
on
something
in
the
reno
sparks
area.
E
Thank
you
for
that
question,
rusty
jardine
for
the
record.
Now
what
you
perhaps
refer
to
is
the
purchase
of
water
rights
by
the
united
states
for
the
benefit
of
the
national,
for
the
benefit
of
stillwater.
D
I
remember
there
was
a
question.
I
think
it
was
question
three
in
1990
it
was
a
big
deal
and
there
was
a
tax.
It
was
put
on
something
to
purchase
water
rights,
ultimately,
for
I
think,
stillwater
or
the
carson
a
lake
area
some
somewhere
out
there.
So
I
don't
know
if
I'm
mixing
apples
and
oranges
here
or
not,
but
you
or
did
they
transfer
those
water
rights
to
the
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
service
for
for
the
lahontan
area,
particularly
the
stillwater
area,.
E
Again,
rusty
jardine
for
the
record
and
the
federal
government
came
up
with
monies
with
which
to
provide
for
the
the
acquisition
of
water
rights.
Now
when
we
spoke
earlier
assembly,
one
hanson,
we
talked
about
buy
and
dry
well,
we've
had
a
little
flavor
of
that
in
the
lahontan
valley.
When
we
talk
about
hazen
and
the
swingle
bench,
you
know
water
flows
through
those
areas
from
fernley
through
hazen,
the
swingle
bench
area.
E
If
you're
familiar
with
that
on
it
traverses
there
that
area
and
goes
on
out
to
lahontan
and
through
the
acquisition
or
the
provision
of
federal
monies,
the
pyramid,
lake,
paiute,
tribe,
purchased
water
rights
off
of
those
areas
and
it
was
transferred
back
into
the
river
for
the
benefit
of
the
lake,
and
so
that's
a
program,
and
also
that
the
national,
or
rather
the
united
states,
fish
and
wildlife
service
accomplished
much
the
same
thing.
E
In
former
times
there
was
of
let's
say,
an
over
abundance
of
water
and
then
litigation
ensued
on
a
widespread
basis
and
we
went
through
litigation.
It
was
called
recoupment,
it
was
called.
It
was
destined
to
provide
a
an
order
requiring
the
district
district
to
make
recruitment
for
waters
that
have
been
over
appropriated,
and
so
in
former
times
water
was
provided
to
these
areas.
There
was
really
an
over
abundance.
I
suppose
I
must
say,
and
then
a
time
litigation
ensued
and
the
need
for
water
rights
for
the
benefit
of
the
refuge
became
apparent.
E
D
The
big
problem
right
now
is
you
have
a
canal
with
what
30
35
miles
long,
the
top
I
mean
from
derby
dam
all
the
way
to
where
it
discharged
in
the
haunted.
I
don't
think
it's
more
than
30
30
miles
35
miles,
but
there's
a
section,
a
four
mile
section,
going
through
firmly
that
the
government
wants
you
guys
to
spend
35
million
dollars
on
to
line
the
canals,
but
that
also
recharges
the
aquifer
that
the
city
firmly
uses.
E
Thank
you
again,
rusty
jardine
for
the
record,
and
I
appreciate
that
question
because
that's
an
important
component
of
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
in
reducing
the
scope
of
this.
Yes,
there's
going
to
be
a
corresponding
reduction
in
the
impact
had
by
the
to
the
city
from
that
and
again,
there's
there's
no
water
right
associated
with
it.
But
the
practical
concern
is
my
goodness,
turn
off
the
water
in
a
city.
E
D
Well,
madam
chair,
we'll
say
when
you
study
that
whole
newlands
project-
and
you
know
the
the
biggest
problem
was
the
years
that
they
used
to
calculate
the
amount
of
water
that
could
be
taken
off
the
truckee
river
system
and
transferred
to
the
carson
system
were
all
exceptionally
wet
years
and
since
that
time,
the
actual
amount
of
water
that's
available
coming
out
of
the
truckee
watershed
is
substantially
less
than
what
they
did
all
those
projections
on,
so
all
those
poor
farmers
downstream
in
fallon
and
burnley
and
stuff
who
counted
on
that
water
with
time.
D
It's
like
hey
we're
drying
up
pyramid
lake
and
that's
where
you
had
the
ordinance
decree
and
then
you
had
to
read
the
harry
reid's
decision,
which
was
actually
really
beneficial,
especially
the
pyramid,
lake
kind
of
hurt
fallon.
But
the
reality
was
that
water
wasn't
being
fairly
allocated.
It
was
in
pyramid
lake,
no
question
very
much
in
the
same
boat
as
walker
lake
is
today
it
was
getting
more
and
more.
It
was
dropping
dropping
because
so
much
water
is
being
transferred
to
the
newlands
project.
Anyway.
A
Madam
chair
you're
welcome
senator
so
any
other
questions
of
mr
charging,
seeing
none.
A
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
open
it
up
to
public
comment
here
in
the
chamber
and
broadcast
services?
If
there's
anyone
wanting
to
make
public
comment,
please
please
let
us
know
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
public
comment
here
in
the
chamber
first,
so
please
don't
wait
to
be
recognized
just
come
forward,
because
I
may
not
be
able
to
see
you.
A
A
Broadcast
services
do
we
have
anyone
on
the
phone
line?
Thank
you,
chair
carlton.
The
public
comment
line
is
open
and
working.
However,
there
are
no
callers
at
this
time.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
with
that.
We'll
conclude
public
comment:
if
we
do
miss
anyone
you're
more
than
welcome
to
email
it
in
or
send
it
to
us
and,
however,
however,
you
would
prefer
so
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
adjourn
this
meeting.
Our
next
and
final
meeting
of
the
subcommittee
on
public
lands
will
be
monday
june,
the
27th
so
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
there.