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A
Good
morning,
everybody
I
am
going
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
This
is
the
first
meeting
of
the
subcommittee
on
public
lands
of
the
joint
interim
standing
committee
on
natural
resources
for
the
2021-2022
interim,
I'm
the
vice
chair
of
the
subcommittee
and
I'm
chairing
today,
because
unfortunately,
assemblywoman
carlton
is
not
able
to
be
here.
She
has
appointed
an
alternate
assembly
member
watts,
who
I
guess
is
okay.
A
He
chairs
the
standing
committee
on
natural
resources
with
with
a
great
presence,
and
we
are
very,
very
happy
to
have
him
with
us,
and
I
would
also
like
you
guys
to
know
that
mr
banuelos,
who
is
our
tribal
government
representative,
was
unable
to
be
here
and
we
miss
him
and
look
forward
to
seeing
him
next
time.
With
that,
ms
aguayo,
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
C
E
F
A
Here,
thank
you.
So
that
is
a
quorum
and
we're
getting
started
right
at
902.
We
have
a
pretty
packed
agenda
today
in
a
packed
room.
This
this
meeting
is
not
being
live
streamed,
but
it
is
being
recorded.
So
I
just
wanted
you
all
to
know
that
and
for
anybody
who
is
watching
online
later,
our
room
is
full
and
it
is
fantastic
to
see
so
many
people
here,
and
I
hope
that
all
of
you
will
join
us
in
conversations
about
mining,
agriculture
and
local
issues
impacting
public
lands.
A
We
will
probably
take
a
short
break
for
lunch
about
as
close
to
noon
as
possible,
maybe
a
little
before,
maybe
a
little
after,
depending
on
where
we
are
in
the
presentations
and
other
than
that.
I
think
we
should
have
a
good
pace
here.
A
You
guys
are
welcome
to
take
as
long
as
you
need
to
make
your
presentations
and
then
members
will
have
a
chance
to
ask
questions
and
have
some
dialogue
about
the
issues
that
we're
discussing
today.
In
addition,
there
are
two
opportunities
for
public
comment:
there's
one
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
another
one
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
We
do
ask
in
public
comment
that
you
keep
your
comments
to
three
minutes.
If
you
have
more
to
say,
you're
always
welcome
to
submit
additional
comments
in
writing.
Those
will
be
included
in
the
record.
A
Personally,
I
read
all
of
the
written
public
comments.
I
encourage
the
rest
of
the
committee
to
do
the
same,
and
so
with
that
we
will
open
up
our
first
public
comment
session.
Anybody
wishing
to
give
public
comment
can
come
right
up
to
this
table
in
front
of
me
and
I'm
not
seeing
anybody
approaching
the
table.
A
A
And
I'll
have
you
say
it
again
for
the
record?
You
can
just
pull
up
a
third
chair,
and
you
guys
probably
already
know
this,
but
when
you're
giving
remarks
there's
a
microphone.
You
have
to
turn
the
button
on
so
that
your
remarks
are
recorded.
Even
if
we
can
hear
you
without
the
microphone
and
please
just
state
your
name
for
the
record
each
time
you
speak
so
that
again
it's
clear
to
posterity
who
made
your
informed
and
eloquent
comments,
so
go
ahead
whenever
you're
ready.
G
Hi
nikki
bailey
lundal
nevada,
mining
association.
I
am
the
government
affairs
manager
for
the
association.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here.
It's
so
nice
to
see
your
faces
again
and
commissioner
jones
it's
nice
to
see
you
as
well.
We
don't
see
each
other
as
often
so.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
in
ely.
Today
I
will
get
started.
G
Mining
really
is
essential
to
everyday
life.
This
is
our
president
tyree
gray's
baby
reign.
That
really
shows
that
every
american
born
in
2020
will
require
3.19
million
pounds
of
minerals,
metals
and
fuels
in
their
lifetime.
That
kind
of
gives
you
everything
that
supports
that.
So
obviously
we
know
there's
mining
in
nevada,
but
10
percent
of
all
u.s
non-fuel
mineral
production
comes
from
nevada.
The
state
produces
20,
essential
mineral
minerals,
critical
to
our
daily
lives
and
15
of
nevada's
17
counties
have
active
mine
operations
in
them.
G
The
mining
supply
chain
has
a
presence
in
all
17
counties,
though,
so
why
is
mining
so
important?
Like
I
just
said
it
produces
20,
essential
minerals
and
it's
in
225
mines
throughout
the
state
and
a
lot
of
things.
A
lot
of
conversations
have
been
had
about
the
green
supply
chain
and
lithium
and
copper
are
both
in
the
state
of
nevada.
G
The
only
active
lithium
mine
site
is
in
is
albemarle
in
silver
peak,
but
right
here
in
ely
is
kghm
robinson,
which
is
the
oldest
copper
mine
in
the
state
of
nevada,
and
I
really
want
to
say
that
when
we
think
about
lithium,
hopefully
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
go
and
talk
with
tim
crowley
at
lithium,
america
and
others
like
him.
But
nevada
really
is
on
the
brink
of
being
the
world
hub
of
lithium
development
within
and
that's
not
just
mining.
G
G
So
the
mining
cycle-
I
know
a
lot
of
you
have
been
on
mine
sites
before,
if
not
all
of
you
have
been
on
a
tour
before
so
I
will
be
quick
on
some
of
these
things,
but
the
mining
cycle
obviously
starts
with
exploration,
goes
to
permitting
development
extraction
and
then
reclamation.
G
G
So
why
is
hard
rock
mining
in
nevada
different
than
other
types
of
mining?
I
struggle.
I
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
with
people
in
other
states
and
they
think
of
mining
and
they
think
of
coal
mining
we're
very
different,
and
so
one
of
the
things
is
hard.
Rock
requires
an
advanced
scientific
process
to
yield
commercially
sellable
materials.
G
G
G
G
G
We
monitor
air
and
water
quality
to
ensure
compliance,
and
then
we
fund
projects
to
clean
up
the
mistakes
of
the
past,
and
these
are
the
government
agencies
with
our
with
mining
oversight,
and
this
is,
if
you
were
to
visit
our
office
in
reno,
the
regulation
form
in
the
bottom,
that
you
cannot
read
spans
the
whole
length
of
our
wall
in
our
conference
room
and
that
is
still
about
a
five-point
font.
So
we
are
we.
G
We
comply
with
many
regulations
throughout
the
state
connect
connecting
with
communities,
and
I
think
both
of
our
presenters
can
talk
about
this
as
well.
But
native
outreach,
nevada,
minds
operate,
have
a
strong
relationship
with
local
tribal
communities.
We
have
regular
meetings
with
tribes
to
discuss
the
opportunities
to
engage,
and
then
we
at
nvme
have
created
cultural
resource
documents
to
aid
operators
and
have
also
created
a
subcommittee
to
talk
about
tribal
relationships
within
our
community.
G
Lots
of
you
guys
know
about
this.
Ab495
and
partnering
education
and
mining
ab495
was
passed
as
all
of
you
know,
and
every
gener,
every
dollar
rated
dollar
generated
by
the
new
tax
will
be
earmarked
for
education
starting
in
2023,
and
it
redistributes
our
dollars
from
the
already
existing
net
proceeds
and
minerals.
G
So
our
people
and
our
people
are
so
important
to
us.
They
really
are
make
what
make
this
industry
so
special.
Like
I
said
before
we
employ
37
000.
G
We
provide
for
37
000
families
across
the
entire
state
of
nevada.
I
know
a
lot
of
you
heard
from
them
throughout
the
last
legislative
session
and
they're
so
important
to
us,
and
our
average
salary
starts
at
four
thousand
dollars,
and
that
includes
benefits
health
care
and
retirement,
and
not
just
health
care
for
them,
but
also
health
care
for
the
for
their
families
paid
for
that's
really
important
to
us
safety.
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
safety.
G
G
For
us.
Public
outreach
is
also
something
that
the
association
really
works,
hard
on
and
really
the
entirety
of
our
industry.
G
We
work
with
boys
and
girls,
clubs
and
groups
like
the
eddie
house
in
northern
nevada,
to
help
the
community
as
much
as
we
can
and
talking
a
little
bit
about
covid
we're
not
wearing
masks
today,
but
we,
you
know
just
a
few
shy
months
ago.
G
This
was
we
were
working
hard
within
the
industry
to
dedicate
millions
of
dollars
and
thousands
of
hours
to
community
service
annually,
and
we
were
the
largest
contributor
to
nevada's
coven
19
response
task
force
and
we
sent
ppe
to
first
responders
and
food
and
resources
to
local
tribal
communities
as
well,
and
not
just
in
ways
that
normal
people
think
we
were
actually
able
to
were
some
of
us
have
cattle,
and
so
we
were
able
to
donate
that
to
people
who
needed
the
meat
during
the
cove
lockdown
as
well.
So
that
was
really
important
to
us.
H
Good
morning
my
name
is
amanda
hilton
and
I'm
the
general
manager
of
u.s
operations
for
kghm,
and
we
operate
the
robinson
mine
which
is
located
about
10
miles
from
where
we
sit
today.
My
husband
and
I
are
both
fourth
generation
white
pine
county
residents,
and
I
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
welcome
all
of
you
to
ely
and
speaking
of
lunch
breaks.
I
have
some
great
lunch
recommendations
if
you're
looking
for
some,
so
I
pardon
me
okay.
H
H
So
for
some
perspective
here
is
a
map
all
of
you
are
in
in
ely,
so
you
know
where
we
are
today:
robinson:
produces
a
copper,
concentrate
from
our
mine
site.
We
truck
that
concentrate
to
wendover
utah
in
wendover.
It
gets
loaded
on
rail
cars
and
it
either
goes
to
salt
lake
city
to
the
smelter
there,
or
it
gets
tran
railed
to
the
port
of
vancouver
washington
where
it
gets
shipped
around
the
world.
H
As
nikki
mentioned,
we
are
the
oldest
operating
copper
mine
in
the
state
and
mining
began
in
this
district
in
1867
and
open
pit
copper
mining
began
in
1906..
Senator
gokachia
did
spend
some
time
at
the
robinson
mine.
I
don't
think
it
was
quite
that
long
ago,
but
I
do
know
he
he
has
also
worked
at
the
robinson
mine
robinson
is
subject
to
copper
price
fluctuations,
and
I'm
really
proud
of
the
fact
that
we
have
been
in
continuous
operation
since
2004..
H
Since
1906
we
have
produced
5.8
billion
pounds
of
copper
and
3.8
million
ounces
of
gold.
Our
total
surface
disturbance
is
9730
acres,
which
includes
2208
acres
on
blm
land
and
the
rest
is
on
private
land.
These
pictures
depict
the
difference
in
the
equipment
that's
being
used
at
robinson
from
the
early
days
to
just
last
year.
We
commissioned
a
new
shovel
and
we
painted
it
white
pine,
high
school,
bobcat,
blue
and
white,
and
we
brought
all
of
our
athletes
from
the
high
school
out
so
that
they
could
see
our
shovel.
H
We
are
the
primary
private
employer
in
white
pine
county.
We
employ
employ
over
600,
full-time
employees
and
45
full-time
contractors.
That
equates
to
15
percent
of
our
county's
direct
employment,
and
we
also
indirectly
employ
hundreds
of
white
pine
county
residents
as
the
they
support
the
mine
and
the
families
who
work
at
the
mine.
H
The
consistent
employment
levels
at
robinson
have
resulted
in
one
of
the
lowest
unemployment
rates
in
the
state
for
white
pine
county,
and
the
graph
on
this
slide
shows
what
unemployment
at
this
at
the
state
level
did
compared
to
unemployment
in
white
pine
county
and
for
those
of
us
who
live
in
white
pine
county
today
and
are
in
the
audience
we
can
all
attest
to
how
difficult
it
is
to
find
employees
today
and
we're.
I
think
our
unemployment
rate
is
sitting
at
about
two
percent.
H
Robinson
is
also
a
major
contributor
to
events
within
the
county.
Last
year
we
contributed
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
cash,
and
then
all
of
our
employees
are
eligible
for
12
hours
of
paid
volunteer
time
per
year.
If
all
of
our
employees
took
advantage
of
that
benefit,
we
would
have
the
equivalent
of
two
and
a
half
full-time
volunteers
in
our
small
community
and
one
of
the
things
I'm
very
proud
of
that
happened
recently.
H
Was
we
made
a
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
contribution
to
a
future
early
learning
center
in
ely,
and
this
will
provide
day
care
services
for
children
six
weeks
to
five
years
old.
This
will
be
operated
by
the
boys
and
girls
club
of
the
truckee
meadows,
and
we
will
be
repurposing
an
old
white
pine
county
school
district
building
for
this
purpose.
H
We're
also
very
involved
in
all
of
the
schools
within
the
community
and
great
basin
college.
We
sponsor
an
electrical
instrumentation
and
diesel
mechanic
program
at
the
college
and
we
are
very
involved
with
science
fairs
career
days
and
anything
we
can
do
to
support
our
teachers
and
the
education
system
within
the
community.
H
Recent
major
permitting
actions
include
an
environmental
assessment
that
was
finalized
on
february
25th
of
2021,
and
this
was
with
the
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
service
in
regards
to
a
golden
eagle,
take
permit
and
then,
on
september,
9th
of
2021.
We
did
finalize
an
environmental
impact
statement
with
the
bureau
of
land
management,
and
this
eis
will
allow
us
to
resume
mining
in
the
liberty,
east
pit,
construct
a
new
king
waste
rock
facility
for
the
liberty
pit
and
then
to
expand
our
tailing
storage
facility.
H
We
do
take
our
reclamation
very
seriously
and
as
a
legacy
mine,
we
do
have
things
from
the
past
that
we've
had
to
take
care
of
the
disturbances
that
were
done
before
any
regulations
and
we've
continued
to
go
above
and
beyond.
In
three
years
we
were
recognized
twice
by
our
regulators
for
the
reclamation
work
that
we've
been
doing
on
legacy.
H
Disturbances.
In
this
example
here
is
our
lane
city
waste
rock
facility.
If
you
came
in
on
highway
50
before
you
get
to
robinson
on
the
south
side
of
highway
50,
you
can
see
lane
city
and
we've
taken
care
of
all
of
those
waste
rock
facilities,
even
though
we
did
not
have
a
requirement
to
do
so.
We
know
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
that's
how
we
do
business.
B
Good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
samantha
fonga,
I'm
gonna
try
to
get
through
this
sitting,
I'm
like
a
crazy
person
like
I'm
a
mom,
so
I
have
to
rock
back
and
forth
when
I'm
presenting.
So
if
you
see
me
rocking
just
I'm
sorry,
it's
just.
I
can't
four
kids
in.
I
can't
stop
so
I
have
worked
for
ken
ross
round
mountain
for
almost
10
years.
I
am
born
and
raised
a
native
las
vegas,
vegas
resident.
I
went
to
school
at
cimarron,
I
think.
Are
you
you're
a
loss?
B
I
met
you
yeah
las
vegas
yeah,
so
I'm
one
of
the
few
in
mining,
so
I'm
always
the
only
vegas
resident
in
the
room
when
it
comes
to
anything
with
mining.
But
that's
why
I
like
talking
about
mining
so
much
and
sharing
our
story
because
I
didn't
know
mining
existed.
I
didn't
know
the
opportunities
that
were
there
for
me
and
so
that's
why
I
love
getting
our
story
out
there.
B
I
also
hate
powerpoints,
but
we're
going
to
follow
it
as
much
as
possible,
and
I
told
nikki
to
like
kick
me
under
the
table.
If
I
talk
too
long
well,
you
might
not
have
to
worry
about
it:
hey,
that's,
okay!
B
So
while
we're
waiting
for
it
to
come
up,
we
don't
need
the
slide
for
me
to
to
start
sharing
with
you
guys
so
for
ken
ross
nevada
and
all
mining
companies
in
nevada
are
going
to
have
similar
values,
but
so
we
have
our
our
core
values,
which,
for
our
employees,
putting
people
for
safety
things
like
that,
but
for
our
community
we
have
our
guiding
principles
which,
when
the
slide
comes
up,
you'll
see
so
it's
to
act
ethically
and
transparently.
B
It's
to
be
great
in
our
host
communities
to
make
positive
contributions
and
to
always
be
continuously
improving
ourselves,
and
we
do
that
through
things
called
our
agreements
mechanism.
So
we
always
obviously
have
a
complaint
policy,
but
we
also
have
a
grievance
policy
and
complaints
and
grievances
are
very
different
and
how
we
react
to
them,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
community
stakeholders
always
know
they
have
resources
and
a
pipeline
to
report
those
grievances,
whether
it
be
socially,
whether
it
be
environmentally
so
that
they
can
come
and
talk
to
us.
B
Transparency
is
huge
for
our
kinross
minds.
That's
why
we
do
tours
so
if
you
ever
want
to
come
out
and
visit,
so
we're
central
nevada,
so
we're
about
four
hours
from
anywhere
in
the
state
so
come
out
and
visit
me
we'll
take
a
tour
and
we'll
talk
more
about
it,
but
our
guiding
principles
is
really
the
core
about
of
what
everything
that
we
do
at
round:
mountain
and
ken
ross
nevada.
B
This
is
our
2020,
I'm
still
working
on
our
2021
benefits,
and
I
can
share
that
with
you
next
meeting.
If
you
invite
me
back,
but
we
average
so
we
fluctuate
depending
on
mine
cycle,
but
between
high
700s
and
mid
to
high
800s
and
employees.
For
our
round
mountain
mine,
we
have
a
bald
mountain
location
and
that
averages
about
anywhere
from
six
to
mid
700s
for
employees.
B
B
And
so
you
can
read
that
slide
there,
but
I'd
rather
just
kind
of
share
with
you
guys.
Just
looking
at
you
not
looking
at
the
slides
some
of
the
things
that
we
did
so
for
covid,
so
we
actually
gave
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
round.
Mountain
did
for
covid
relief
within
nike
county
that
went
straight
to
the
economic
development
association
and
their
grants
committee,
and
they
were
able
to
give
those
out.
One
of
the
stipulations
was
was
those
small
businesses
did
not
have
to
pay
back
that
grant
funding.
B
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
could
help
our
communities
thrive.
We
know
in
rural
nevada
it's
hard
to
open
a
business,
it's
hard
to
find
real
estate
to
open
a
business
and
once
you're
open
once
you
shut
down,
it's
almost
impossible
to
open
back
up.
So
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
ny
county
and
we
also
extended
that
to
lander
county
as
well
that
they
got
to
continue
to
thrive
within
our
community
of
round
mountain.
B
So
our
employee
stakeholders
are
one
of
our
most
important
stakeholders,
and
so
we
actually
run
and
operate
a
day
care
service.
Our
daycare
services
are
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents
an
hour.
For
me,
this
is
really
powerful,
because
that
means
we
have
more
women
in
the
workforce.
We
have
more
women,
minors
leading
the
way,
because
normally
in
these
small
rural
communities,
right
men
go
to
work,
the
women
stay
home,
and
so
we've
actually
been
operating
that
mines
or
that
daycare
facility.
B
Since
the
late
80s,
we
also
have
a
general
store,
which
is
great
for
our
small
community,
our
miners,
our
ranchers,
but
also
we
let
the
local
churches
and
non-profits
come
to
our
general
store
and
we
give
them
an
annual
credit
and
they
get
to
shop
for
their
food
pantries.
So
that's
really
neat.
We
also
have
a
golf
course
less
exciting.
I
would
have
voted
on
a
bowling
alley,
but
I
mean
it's
more
corporatey,
so
the
golf
course
is
there
and
we'll
we'll
mention
it.
B
So
we
are
really
big
on
education
in
in
round
mountain
and
for
ken
ross
nevada,
so
again
being
from
vegas
and
not
knowing
the
mining
opportunities
out
there
and
how
impactful
and
how
much
it
can
change
people's
lives.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
get
out
and
we
educate
our
youth
even
if
they
don't
want
to
be
minors.
B
We
want
to
make
sure
they
have
all
the
tools
necessary,
because
my
story
was
not
one
of
ease
or
success
or
privilege,
and
so
I
love
to
share
that
and
give
opportunities
to
students
who
don't
have
across
the
state.
So
one
of
the
big
things
we
do
in
round
mountain,
so
we
help
fund
the
jag
program.
So
we
help
on
a
statewide
level,
because
it's
such
an
amazing
program.
B
We
actually
have
30
students
and
faculty
members
and
members
of
the
jag
program
staff
coming
up
next
week
for
a
mind:
tour,
I'm
pretty
excited
about
it
and
then
two
other
local
jag
field
trips
the
following
week,
but
for
round
mountain,
so
we
don't
qualify
for
that
ground,
grant
funding
so
round
mountain
our
school
has
very
little
resources,
even
though
we
are
the
single
largest
employer
in
nye
county.
B
We
see
very
little
of
that
at
our
school,
so
actually
what
the
mine
has
done
is
we
fund
that
program
for
round
mountain,
so
we
pay
the
salary
for
the
teacher
and
then
we
have
what's
called
our
receipt
program.
So
we
have
our
general
store.
Every
month
the
students
gather
up
all
the
receipts,
they
total
it
for
us
and
we
give
them
half
a
percent
of
all
the
net
profits
for
the
general
store
for
that
month,
and
then
we
cut
two
checks.
B
We
give
one
to
the
school
so
for
fun
things
we
so
the
principal
doesn't
have
a
slush
fund.
I
guess
some
schools,
the
principal,
gets
like
fun
money,
our
principal
doesn't
get
fund
money,
so
we
make
sure
that
she
has
those
to
do
employee
incentives,
student
driven
activities,
just
kind
of
the
fun
parts
of
school
and
then
for
the
jag
program.
That's
to
buy
supplies.
They
also
know
they
can
come
to
us
if
they
need
anything
for
the
round
mountain
school.
B
We
also
fund
a
welding
program,
so
the
round
mountain
school
has
three
electives
for
their
students.
Currently
the
mine
funds,
two
of
them.
So
the
ag
science
program,
which
is
the
welding
program
we
provide
all
of
the
supplies
for
that
and
then
the
jag
program.
We
also
do
sponsorship
for
the
the
conference
every
year
for
all
the
jack
students
across
the
state
and
we
do
outreach.
So
we
go
into
the
schools.
We're
trying
to
our
big
push
right
now
is
getting
down
to
vegas
and
talking
to
the
students
there
more.
B
I
just
got
to
speak
to
the
students
at
basic
high
school
a
couple
months
ago
and
actually
keep
in
contact
with
them,
so
gave
them
all
my
contact
information
and
and
help
them
figure
out
how
to
get
in
mining.
Or
I
love
it
when
students
say
I
don't
know,
because
mining
is
a
great
industry,
for
I
don't
know,
because
you
can
make
good
money,
get
tuition,
reimbursement
and
figure
it
out
and
and
do
really
well
for
yourself
and
have
a
head
start
in
life.
Kick
me
if
I
start
talking
too
much.
Oh
no!
B
I
wasn't
done.
Okay,
sorry
almost
done
talking
about
some
education
stuff,
so
we
also
have
our
maintenance
training,
cooperative
partnership
with
great
basin
community
college.
So
what
we
do
is
we
have
students,
we
try
to
stay
within
our
local
students.
So
a
lot
of
the
mines
in
northern
nevada
participate
in
the
sandvik
komatsu
nevada
gold
mines,
but
we
keep
it
pretty
local.
So
we
try
to
keep
it
to
tonopah
residents,
eureka,
western
shoshone
and
our
our
local
round
mountain
students
and
what
they
do
is
they
apply
through
great
basin.
B
For
this
maintenance,
training,
cooperative
and
the
disciplines
are
electrical
diesel,
mechanic,
millwright
and
welding,
and
they
apply
and
we
interview
them
and
we
say:
hey
you're
amazing,
look
at
all
the
great
things
you've
done.
Let's
pay
for
your
schooling,
so
it's
18
months
of
schooling.
We
offer
them
an
internship
through
that
summer,
so
they
get
to
go
and
that
starting
wage
is
about
24
an
hour.
I
would
have
killed
for
that
in
college.
I
couldn't
even
have
imagined,
and
so
they
get
to
make
some
money
through
the
summer.
B
We
pay
their
tuition
through
those
18
months
and
then
we
say:
hey,
there's!
No,
you
don't
have
to
sign
in
blood
anywhere.
You
don't
have
to
guarantee
any
of
your
time
to
us,
but
if
you'd
like
to
come
back
to
kenross
nevada
after
you're
done,
we
welcome
you
with
open
arms
to
help
you
along
your
career
path,
but
no
contract
obligation
that
they
have
to
come
back
to
us
and
just
really
quick
too.
B
We
do
offer
paid
internships
and
summer
employment
to
our
local
youth,
and
then
we
have
our
western
shoshone
scholarship
for
our
western
shoshone.
We're
really
closely
with
our
yamba
and
duckwater
tribe,
and
we
actually
want
to
my
goal-
is
to
make
that
bigger
and
better
and
provide
more
scholarships
and
more
opportunities.
B
But
that
goes
all
the
way
to
graduate
schooling
and
that
doesn't
have
to
be
fresh
out
of
high
school.
That's
anybody!
You
can
be
35
or
52
and
you
can
want
to
go
back
to
school
and
you
can
apply
for
that.
Western
shoshone
scholarship,
okay,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
these,
but
so
we
have
two
approaches
at
kenross.
So
we
have
a
local
approach.
B
So
our
two
minds:
we
have
a
local
benefit
footprint
and
then
we
have
a
ken
ross
nevada
approach
and
that
started
last
year
where
we
want
to
do
outreach
across
the
state.
So
we
do
a
lot
of
cool
things,
whether
it
be
through
education
through
interacting
with
students
through
helping
fund
food
pantries,
because
we
know
food
insecurity
is
a
real
thing.
B
One
of
the
really
exciting
pieces
that
we're
doing
this
year
is:
we
gave
sponsorship
to
the
women's
correctional
facility
so
that
the
women
there
can
go
back
to
school
and
better
themselves,
because
if
you
didn't
know
this
about
the
mining
industry,
we
want
people
that
have
had
a
hard
go
in
life.
We
want
those
second
chancers.
We
want
people
who
didn't
know
that
they
were
worth
anything
else
and
we
can
say.
Actually
you
are
you're
worth
something
and
you're
worth
a
good
livable
wage
you're
worth
a
house,
a
great
truck,
a
401k
and
benefits.
B
So
we
really
are
about
improving
people's
quality
of
life
on
a
statewide
approach.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
extending
those
efforts,
so
we
actually
fund
a
professorship
at
unr
and
then
we
have
a
scholarship
and
lecture
series
down
at
unlv.
We
did
a
really
cool
thing.
Last
year
with
habitat
for
humanity,
we
helped
build
a
house
for
a
veteran
this
year
in
vegas
we're
going
to
work
again
with
fox
5
and
do
a
playground
build.
B
So
those
are
really
neat
things
and
it's
it's
really
great
to
get
out
there
and
do
those
big
pieces,
but
we're
also
about
utilizing
our
human
capital.
So
sometimes
the
dollar
is
right.
Some
we
we've
given
the
dollars
out.
But
what
do
we
do?
We
don't
stop
giving
there.
So
we
have
a
great
workforce
that
can
go
out
to
our
community
and
maybe
it's
so
for
our
austin
school
in
austin
nevada.
They
were
going
to
take
the
students
out
of
their
their
school
and
put
them
in
portables.
B
Well,
we
all
know
that
means
that
that
school
would
become
dilapidated
in
an
eyesore
in
the
community
and
those
students
would
never
be
back
in
that
facility.
So
we
said
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
It
was
because
their
heating
system
was
broken,
so
we
went
in,
we
sent
our
workforce
in.
We
bought
all
the
materials
and
sent
our
workforce.
B
I
want
to
I
made
a
note
for
myself
so
with
outreach
for
ken
ross
nevada,
we're
really
straying
away
from
that
big
check,
twitter
post
kind
of
outreach
right.
So
that's
really
great.
You
can
stand
in
front
of
a
big
check
with
some
students,
but
do
we
know
them
do
I
know
their
name?
Do
I
know
what
they're
about
do?
B
I
know
their
story
and
how
can
I
help
them
after
that
big
check,
because
when
I
write
that
big
check
am
I
following
through
and
paying
attention
to
where
those
dollars
are
going,
that's
what
we're
about
at
ken
ross
is.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
impact
is
really
going
to
where
the
need
is.
So
it's
a
huge
part
of
it.
I
promise
I'll
wrap
it
up
soon.
I
just
get
really
excited
so
actually
we
can
just.
Can
you
go
forward
to
this
historic
mining
park
one?
This
is
really
neat.
B
This
one
is
great
because
we've
actually
partnered
with
other
members
in
the
mining
community
outside
of
kenross
nevada.
So
I
think
if
we
have
a
one-team
approach,
so
mining
can
make
such
a
big
impact.
Why
not
work
together?
Why
not?
You
know
robinson
kenros,
nevada,
gold
mines,
all
work
together
for
the
same
cause
to
make
the
greater
impact,
and
so
for
this
summer
soiree.
I
actually
worked
with
a
core
or
a
contractor
that
works
for
core
rochester
and
she's.
A
does
geology
an
exploration
geologist.
B
Her
name
is
anne
carpenter
and
she's
pretty
amazing,
but
she
also
sits
on
their
mining
park
board
and
we
actually
opened
up
to
the
community.
We
wanted
people
to
come
in,
learn
about
mining.
There
was
some
drilling
activity,
people
had
questions
and
it
goes
back
to
transparency.
B
We
wanted
to
share
with
the
community
what
we're
doing
in
mining
and
what
the
future
or
our
hopeful
future
looks
like,
and
then
we
also
turned
it
into
a
fundraiser
for
the
mining
park.
So
we
were
able
to
raise
over
ten
thousand
dollars
for
the
mining
park.
We're
going
to
do
that
again
this
year,
we're
going
to
do
it
a
night
event
with
a
band
and
if
you
haven't
been
to
the
mining
park
in
tonopah
I'll,
send
you
guys
all
an
invite.
B
B
We
we
house
that
intern
for
the
entirety
of
that
internship
and
again
provide
the
funding
for
that.
The
reason
being
is
because
we
need
our
miners
to
understand
everything,
not
just
about
mining,
not
just
about
safety.
They
have
to
understand
our
environmental
impact,
state
regulations,
federal
regulations,
we
need
well-rounded
minors,
and
so
that's
something
that
this
internship
helps
provide.
So
really
really
amazing
program
excited
to
do
it
again
this
year.
B
So
if
you
could
just
skip
to
the
last
slide,
our
last
thing,
I
lied
to
you
guys,
one
more
thing
that
I
want
to
touch
on.
So
we
worked
with
the
nevada
mining
association
this
year,
teamed
up
with
nevada,
careers
and
nevada
partners,
and
we
did
an
outreach
event
in
las
vegas
and
what
we
were
looking
for
was
communities.
So
someone
like
myself,
who
hadn't
heard
about
mining
but
really
needed
that
opportunity
to
change
their
lives
and
better
themselves.
B
We
hired
11
people
out
of
that
hiring
class,
so
over
60
people
came
and
we
provide
housing
for
six
months
because
it's
really
hard
to
transition
to
mining,
and
we
have
one
gentleman
so
we
hired
him
on
knowing
he
didn't,
have
a
driver's
license,
knowing
that
he
had
been
incarcerated
before
coming
to
us,
but
he
was
the
best
fit
for
the
job.
He
had
an
amazing
resume.
He'd
worked
really
hard
and
he
was
an
amazing
human
being
he's
working
towards
his
driver's
license.
So
we
provided
we
carpooled
and
we
kind
of
shared
the
effort.
B
We're
a
family
here
at
kinross
he's
getting
his
driver's
license
because
he
got
that
housing
for
six
months,
he's
able
to
save
his
paycheck
and
go
pay
for
a
car
and
a
car
that
he
never
thought
he
was
worthy
of.
So
it
wasn't
an
old
beater
vehicle.
It
was
a
nice
new
vehicle.
He
he
never
thought
he
was
worthy
of
something
of
that
and
the
mining
industry
did
that.
B
So
that
is
a
really
we're
going
to
continue
on
doing
those
recruiting
events
and
hiring
on
through
las
vegas,
because
we
need
the
residents
there
to
have
the
opportunities
that
mining
has
to
offer
so
just
to
share
my
story
a
little
bit
again
being
from
vegas.
When
I
started
at
round
mountain
gold,
I
was
on,
I
was
on
government
assistance.
We
had
done
everything
right.
My
husband
had
gone
to
unlv
I
went
to
unlv.
B
B
We
both
come
from
lives
where
there
was
domestic
violence
and
drug
abuse,
and
we
wanted
better
for
our
kids
and
we
couldn't
find
that
anywhere
else,
no
matter
how
much
education
I
got
no
matter
how
much
we
tried
and
we
went
into
mining
and
mining
said
you're
worth
it
like
mining
said:
hey
you're
worth
it.
I
was
beaten
down
when
I
started
in
mining.
I
thought
I
was
worth
nothing
and
nobody
saw
that
nobody
saw
that
they
they
built
me
up.
B
They
gave
me
a
career,
they
gave
me
a
platform
and
a
voice
and
the
same
with
my
husband,
and
so,
if,
if
you
don't
know
about
mining
or
the
opportunities
that
we
have
to
offer,
I
would
love
to
give
you
more
faces
like
this
to
our
industry,
because
it's
really
important
and
that's
why
this
outreach
is
more
important.
The
big
checks
are
great.
They
do
really
great
things,
but
getting
out
in
our
communities.
B
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
three
of
you
for
those
presentations
and
just
in
case
anybody
doesn't
know
this.
Yet
all
of
these
presentations
are
available
online
they're
on
the
nellis
website.
Via
this
meeting
link
it's
next
to
the
agenda,
it
they're
all
available
for
committee
members
to
view
or
anybody
else,
and
so
I
know
that
you
skipped
a
few
slides
and
I'm
going
back
and
reading
them,
because
I
think
they're
very
interesting
and
with
that
I'll
open
it
up
to
the
committee
for
questions,
senator
wikitia.
C
Thank
you
man.
Vice
chair,
I
guess.
Okay,
I'm
just
curious.
You
know
the
real
impact
we're
seeing
especially
now
with
the
big
increase
in
mining
is
in
these
rural
communities
is
housing.
How
many
housing
units
do
you
have
available
at
hadley
and
what
kind
of
a
subsidy
does
or
how
does
the
mind
subsidize
that
or
is
it
just
wide
open?
Actually
who
pays
the
rent.
B
B
Because
we
know
housing
is
hard,
so
one
we
offer
a
seven
on
seven
off
schedule
for
our
residents,
who
are
employees
that
don't
want
to
work
at
the
mine,
and
so
they
come
in
and
they
kind
of
pull
a
travel
trailer
up,
and
then
they
get
to
go
back
to
vegas
or
reno,
but
we
actually
offer
a
geographical
stipend
and
it's
an
average
of
about
250,
a
paycheck
to
help
with
housing
and
that
cost
of
living
in
rural
nevada.
B
We
do
have
property
in
south
hadley
that
we
are
actively
trying
to
find
contractors
to
come
out
and
build
housing.
It's
been
a
little
bit
difficult,
getting
someone
to
want
to
invest.
So
we
only
ever
project
five
years
of
mine
life.
So
when
you
get
talked
to
investors,
they
don't
like
that,
but
we
do
work
with
our
employees
on
resources.
It
is
a
struggle
for
us.
So
if
I
said
we
were
perfect,
I
would
be
lying
to
you,
but
again
that
geographical
stipends
does
help
and
then
company
housing.
B
C
Just
a
quick
follow-up
for
me,
then,
on
those
say
those
manufactured
homes
that
are
there.
Do
you
provide
the
the
I.e
lot
or
do
they
have
to
buy
the
lot
from
the
mining
company
to
put
that
that
home
on.
B
So
back
in
the
80s,
when
we
moved
so
around
mountain,
so
there's
the
old
town
of
round
mountain
and
actually
what
we
did.
It
was
late
80s
early
90s.
We
moved
the
residents
from
that
subdivision
or
we
gave
them
the
offer.
We
still
have
residents
in
old
round
mountain,
so
some
of
the
lots
were
purchased.
Some
of
the
lots
are
rented
out.
B
They
are
owned
by
the
mine
and
they
pay
a
small
rental
fee
for
those
lots
and
then
the
other
lots
have
been
acquired
through
the
town
and
I'm
not
sure
if
the
town
rents,
those
out
or
requires
a
rental
fee
for
those,
but
the
lots
that
we
do
have
left
in
hadley.
There
is
a
small
monthly
fee
that
that
residents
play
there,
pay
there
to
have
their
double
wides.
I
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
was
thrilled
with
the
presentations
and
you're
very
wonderful
spokespeople
for
for
the
industry.
I
I
wanted
to
address
ms
bailey
lindell
about
the
when
you
mentioned
the
bonding
process
for
reclamation,
I'm
just
assuming
that,
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
because
I'd
like
you
to
elaborate
because
you're
the
expert
and
I'm
not
I'm
assuming,
I
know
in
we're
in
the
construction
trades
and
we
have
bonds
that
we
have
to
have
for
performance
is,
is
the
genesis
of
the
bonding,
because
there
was
reclamation
that
wasn't
taken
care
of,
and
this
is
to
kind
of
give
that
assurance
to
communities
that
that
bond
in
place.
I
G
Yes,
so
nikki
bailey,
lundall
nevada,
mining
association.
Yes,
that
was
the
genesis
of
it
to
ensure
that
the
money
would
be
there,
and
so,
when
the
mine
closed,
that
the
reclamation
could
begin
and
if
something
was
to
happen
within
the
cycle
of
the
mine
and
the
mine
went
under
that
that
money
was
still
available
to
put
the
land
back
to
the
way
that
it
was
to
the
best
ability
after
after
that
happened.
So
it
really
was.
I
Okay,
do
this
is
more
of
a
historical
question?
Do
we
have
any
idea
when
that
bonding
process
was
it
40
years
ago,
50
years
ago?
Do
we
have
any
idea.
I
F
Actually,
the
first
question
I
had
kind
of
builds
on
on
my
colleague,
assemblywoman
hanson's
question,
and
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation
that
you
know
in
this
kind
of
modern
era.
Those
type
of
closures
are
rare
and
again
not
to
put
you
on
the
record
for
a
specific
answer,
but
I
mean:
do
you
have
any
recollection
of
any
recent
times
that
we've
had
to
kind
of
utilize
that
that
program
in
the
industry
here
in
nevada.
G
Wow
you're
testing
me
today,
nikki
bailey
lindell
for
the
record,
I
would
say
not
in
the
in
the
last
many
years
in
my
knowledge,
but
once
again
I
can
get
you
the
specific
last
time
that
we've
had
to
if
we've
ever
had
to
use
those
funds.
Sorry
about
that.
F
No
no
problem
and
that's
why
I
wanted
to
try
and
make
it
less
of
a
quiz
question,
but
I
know
that
you,
for
example,
in
the
time
that
you've
been
involved
in
the
industry,
no
you're,
not
aware
of
it.
No
great.
Thank
you,
one
of
the
other
things
that
I
wanted
to
ask
about
in
terms
of
some
of
the
sustainability
initiatives
that
the
industry
has
undertaken.
F
I
believe
we've
discussed
at
some
point.
You
know
some
of
the
the
ways
that
even
the
the
operations
are
being
worked
on.
You
know
looking
at
moving
to
zero
emissions,
equipment,
etc
are
just
wondering
if,
if
any
of
you
would
be
willing
to
expand
a
little
bit
more
on.
You
know
some
of
the
the
initiatives
that
you're
taking
to
reduce
your
environmental
footprint,
including
carbon
footprint,.
H
Yes,
amanda
hilton
with
kghm
robinson
mine,
one
initiative
that
we're
directly
involved
with
at
robinson
mine
is
reducing
our
emissions
by
at
least
20
percent
in
the
next
five
years.
So
we
are
aggressively
looking
at
options
specifically
looking
at
solar
power
and
also
looking
at
ways
we
can
reduce
our
overall
consumption
of
electricity.
H
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
take
land
that
has
already
been
disturbed
and
repurpose
it
with
something
like
solar
power.
So
that's
something
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
it
in
the
short
term,
but
then
also
the
long
term
decades.
From
now,
when
we
close,
what
can
we
do
to
best
utilize,
this
land.
B
I
know
that
we
in
ken
ross,
we
have
lots
of
efforts
coming
down.
Can
we
get
your
name
for
the
record?
Oh
I'm
so
sorry,
samantha
fonga
for
the
record.
I
don't
feel
educated
enough
on
those
to
be
able
to
speak
to
you
guys
on
those,
but
I
would
love
to
share
that
and
I
can
get
all
that
documentation
and
share
that
story
with
you
guys.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
I
just
appreciate
you
know
the
some
of
those
efforts.
I
think
it's
you
know
important
for
for
folks
to
know
some
of
those
things
that
are
being
taken
on
one
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
ask
about
really
quickly
is
around
water,
which
is,
I
think,
a
big
issue,
that's
on
everyone's
minds.
F
So
I
know
that
in
you
know,
there's
been
some
partnerships
where,
when
dewatering
is
needed
and
that's
helped
provide
water
to
agriculture,
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you,
if
any
of
you
would
have
anything
that
you'd
like
to
share
about
you,
know
some
of
the
practices
around
water
within
the
industry.
G
G
If
there
is
any
issues
has
to
be
treated,
and
we
take
that
very
important
places
like
the
sleeper
mine
when
it
comes
to
pit
lakes
is
now
a
trout
reservoir
that
you
can,
that
you
can,
I
believe,
legally
fish
on
and
is
a
form
of
reclamation
and
areas
and
things
that
we
that
we
have
worked
on
as
well
as
in
the
urban
cores.
One
of
the
first
things
I
do
on
the
mine
tour.
H
H
The
second
thing
we
do
is
we
have
a
pipeline
that
goes
off
of
the
mine
site,
it's
right
off
of
highway
50
and
we're
able
to
send
that
water
into
the
town
of
ely.
It
doesn't
go
into
the
water
system,
but
it
goes
through
stepdow
valley
and
it
it
does
ultimately
end
up
at
some
agricultural
areas.
We
have
a
comprehensive
water
monitoring
water
monitoring
network
throughout
the
area
the
whole.
F
Great
thank
you
very
much
for
the
indulgence
with
the
questions.
Madam
vice
chair,
and
thank
you
for
those
responses.
I
know
that
we
have
the
nature
conservancy
in
the
audience
very
who
I'm
sure
is
very
happy
to
hear
about
some
of
the
thoughts
around
renewable
energy
development
as
part
of
reclamation
and
appreciate
the
association
and
industry's
efforts
to
try
and
help
facilitate
that
as
part
of
kind
of
the
long
range
planning.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I
have
a
question-
I'm
not
sure
who
could
answer
it
best,
but
about
lithium
mining
and
what
the
process
is
for
mining
lithium.
If
you,
it
looks
like
some
like
you're
prepared,
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
G
I
would,
I
would
definitely
suggest,
and
can
put
you
nikki
bailey
lundahl
at
nevada
mining
association.
I
am
I'm
definitely
not
the
expert
in
lithium,
but
there
is,
but
I
do
know
a
little
bit
about
it.
If
we
get
into
the
weeds,
I
will
definitely
have
to
phone
a
friend,
but
there
is
different
types
of
lithium
mining
throughout
the
state
and
and
really
throughout
the
world.
There's
hard
rock
lithium
mining
and
that
focuses
in
australia,
there's
brine,
lithium
mining.
That
is
actually
in
the
albemarle.
A
G
Nikki
bailey
lundall,
I
believe,
is
it
is
a
combination,
but
really
this
is
where
the
the
largest
known
deposit
is
within
the
country.
If
not
the
world
thacker
pass
is
the
deposit
is
above
ground
within
that
clay
deposit,
and
so
it
makes
it
once
again.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
at
all,
but
it
definitely
you
essentially
mine
it
a
little
differently,
but
it's
very
you
are
able.
A
A
broad
overview
because
I
I've
visited
actually
visit
the
ken
ross
mind
in
round
mountain,
so
I'm
now
an
expert
in
gold
mining.
I
am
not,
but
I
know
what
a
gold
mine
looks
like,
and
so
I
I'm
just
curious
what
a
lithium
mine
is
like.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
if
there
are
any
follow-ups
or
yeah
go
ahead
assembly.
Member
hanson.
I
Since
you
brought
up
lithium,
I'm
a
lithium
nerd,
not
an
expert.
I
had
the
distinction
of
having
the
only
two
lithium
mines
in
nevada
in
my
districts,
although
then
redistricting
took
one
of
them
away.
Just
for
the
record.
Ioneer
is
the
one
that
has
one
in
esmeralda
county,
and
that
was
this
is
so
important
to
esmeralda
county,
as
is
thacker
pass
to
humboldt
county.
I
So
it's
like
two
for
one
and
and
again
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
dig
type
of
lithium
and
what
was
interesting
that
I
was
so
impressed
that
this
last
presentation
they
did
is
that
team
buckwheat
has
been
a
controversy
around
the
mine
side
about
10
acres
and
it
kind
of
had
disappeared,
and
then
there
were
some
concerns
that
it
had
been
disturbed
by
the
operations.
But
lo
and
behold
it
was
squirrels
or
gophers.
Something
like
that.
I
I
think
diamond
valley
knows
a
lot
about
these
critters,
but
ionia
took
it
upon
themselves
to
get
some
of
the
team
buckwheat
to
develop
the
seed
they
put
a
million
dollars
into
a
project
through
unr
and
they're
they're
growing
the
seed
they're
replanting,
it
there
so
they're
really
partnering
well
with
the
community
on
the
team
buckwheat
issue
so
just
wanted
to
put
them
in
the
mix
as
we
talked
about
lithium.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
That's
super
helpful.
All
right,
I'm
not
seeing
anybody
else
jumping
in.
Thank
you
again
for
your
presentations.
We
will
excuse
you
from
the
hot
seat
and
invite
our
next
lucky
winner.
We're
gonna,
have
a
couple
presentations
on
ranching
and
farming
in
nevada,
we'll
hear
first
from
the
cattlemen's
association
and
then
from
the
nevada
farm
bureau.
So
is
mr
baker.
A
J
J
I
am
a
member
of
the
nevada,
cattlemen's
association
of
vice
president,
but
we
have
a
ranch
about
65
miles
southeast
of
here
on
the
utah
nevada
line,
a
lot
of
our
range
and
and
private
land
for
that
matter
is
in
utah
we
have
a
cow
calf
operation
and
a
warm-up
feedlot,
which
means
we
feed
feed
the
calves
up
to
about
eight
to
nine
hundred
pounds
and
then
they're
sold
to
a
to
a
finishing
feed
lot.
We
also
sell
dairy
hay
and
horse
hay.
J
J
J
J
J
And
then
in
the
fall,
we'll
we'll
wean
the
calves
pregnancy
test
the
cows
and
make
up
our
winter
herds,
we
have
five
winter
herds,
ranging
in
size
from
200
to
450
that
go
out
on
the
blm
winter
ranges
I'll
go
in
the
fall
and
make
a
survey
of
our
ranges,
see
what
we've
got
and
then
talk
to
the
blm
about
what
looks
reasonable
this
due
to
drought.
We've
cut
way
back,
we
sold
a
bunch
of
cows
and
we're
feeding
a
bunch
of
cows,
all
of
our
three-year-olds.
J
Our
our
blm
winter
ranges
are
on
a
three
pasture
system
so
that
we're
on
the
same
pasture
in
the
spring
every
third
year,
so
that
the
pastors
get
two
years
of
rest
during
the
growing
season
and
then
every
all
the
time
we
take
our
herds
out.
The
first
herds
out
go
in
october
and
then
the
the
last
herds
will
go
in
december.
The
later
herds
are
on
the
aftermath
of
the
fields
until
that
time-
and
I
want
to
say,
I've
always
had
a
great
relationship
with
both
the
utah
and
nevada
blm.
J
Our
cows
will
calve
out
there
on
the
on
the
blm
in
march,
our
first
calf
heifers,
the
ones
that
are
pregnant
with
their
first
calf.
We
keep
them
in
and
feed
them
through
the
winter
and
and
take
care
of
them,
help
them
kevin.
What
not
this
just
picture
of
summer
pasture
and
we're
getting
toward
fall.
This
looks
like
our
south
south
operation,
that's
actually
in
utah.
J
This
is,
this
is
heifer,
calving
pictures
we
synchronize
the
estrus
and
then
artificially
inseminate,
the
heifers
in
may,
and
so
they're
really
bunched
up
to
cav
right
there
in
the
first
part
of
february
and
we're
susceptible
to
weather,
then
it
can
turn
into
a
lot
of
work
in
a
hurry.
We
often
have
to
pick
up
the
calves
when
they
get
cold
and
heat
them
up
in
a
we
have
various
methods
of
heating
up.
J
So,
as
you
can
see,
we
love
our
animals
with
those
heifers
we're
with
them
day
and
night,
and
often
we
have
to
put
them
in
a
corral
and
help
with
the
delivery.
J
So
this
is
just
a
picture
of
us
taking
the
herds
out
one
of
the
herds
out
to
the
blm
pastures
in
the
in
the
this
looks
like
october,
but
it's
hard
to
say
those
are
usually
one
or
two
day
drives.
J
We
always
keep
enough
hay
for
emergencies.
In
case
we
have
to
bring
the
cows
in
if
there's
too
much
snow
out
on
the
winter
ranges,
the
grass
can
get
covered
up,
but
that's
only
happened
twice
in
the
last
30
years
and
each
time
it's
been
a
a
white
christmas
christmas,
snow
and
we've
had
to
feed
them
until
into
march.
J
So
typically
we'll
keep
the
hay
and
then,
when
we
get
close
to
the
first
of
march,
we'll
we'll
go
ahead
and
sell
that
hay
and
you
have
to
make
a
trail
to
bring
them
in
sometimes
well.
This
is
the
throwback
picture.
That's
my
grandfather.
In
the
winter
of
48.49,
I've
never
seen
snow.
That
bad,
thankfully
heard
lots
of
stories
about
it.
That
was
actually
the
winner
of
operation
haylift
when
they
hauled
hay
out
and
in
airplanes,
c-119s
dropped
it
for
the
sheep
and
the
cattle.
J
J
J
J
J
This
is
a
permanent
troll
for
breaking
ice
on
it.
Here
we
have
two
systems
like
this:
it's
on
a
pipeline,
the
well's
down
in
the
bottom
of
the
valley
and
the
water
is
piped
up
to
store
underground
storage,
tanks
that
are
ten
thousand
gallons
and
then
the
pipeline
spider
off
of
those
two
to
several
of
these
troughs.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
That,
actually
that's
a
pick
maddock,
but
close
enough
most
of
the
pipelines
we
fix
by
hand
just
because
it's
a
long
ways
out
there
to
take
a
backhoe
and
whatnot
the
older
pipelines,
the
old
black
plastic
pipe.
J
This
this
picture
is
we
spliced
this
we
had
a
12
000
acre
fire
on
mount
moriah,
that's
where
this
is
and
then
it
washed
out
our
pipeline
and
we
spliced
this
piece
of
pipeline
in
that's
behind
me
here.
We
hung
that
on
on
the
rock
we
were
on
top
of
a
six
foot
step
ladder
to
do
that
and
then
the
next
time
we
came
up,
there'd
been
another
storm
and
that's
how
much
phil
had
washed
into
that
place.
J
J
18
buried
tanks
and
they're
they're
10
000.
Most
of
them
are
10
000
gallons
this
one.
We
replaced
this
one
with
a
20,
000
gallon
and
you
haul
water
in
with
the
water
trucks,
and
you
fill
those
up
and
then
there's
a
pipe
that
goes
to
a
freeze-proof
trough
in
a
south-facing
hill
floats
under
water.
So
so
it
remains
open.
J
J
This
one
here
is
in
nevada,
and
that
was
put
in.
I
have
vague
memories
of
putting
that
in
in
the
early
70s.
I
patched
up
this
trough
to
get
by
this
year,
but
that
needs
to
be
replaced.
J
J
There's
a
generator
in
that
shed
and
a
well
behind
it
and
and
submersible
pump
and
goes
into
the
trough
there
and
we
often
haul
water
out
of
that
trough
load
the
water
truck
there.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
mountain
permit,
it's
blm,
it's
also
a
three
three
pasture
system.
We
do
have
a
small
forest
service
permit.
Also
that's
on
the
on
the
winter
range,
though,
and
it's
part
of
kind
of
part
of
a
blm
permit-
and
this
is
a
nice
place
to
work.
But
it's
a
a
lot
of
work
for
a
few
cows.
J
It's
easy
to
get
85
to
90
percent
of
the
cows
home,
it's
the
10
or
15
percent.
That
are
a
lot
of
work
in
the
fall.
We
come
off
of
that
that
range
in
october,
well,
in
september,
by
the
first
of
october.
This
is
a
picture
of
us
replacing
a
trough
on
a
spring
up
there
we
had
to
drag
it
about
three
miles.
We
took
turns
and
rested
our
horses
as
needed.
J
This
this
spring
is
is
a
favorite
of
the
elk.
The
governor's
tag
elk
was
actually
taken
from
a
saddle
right
right
up
above
this
one
year,
and
this
is
this
is
a
throwback
picture.
That's
my
grandfather
and
and
me
and
my
two
brothers
and
I'm
in
competition
for
the
ugly
sweater
contest
there
and
this
this
is
my
grandmother
running
the
the
dump
rake.
I
just
thought:
that's
a
neat
picture,
any
questions.
A
K
Ahead,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
presentation
and
and
some
of
the
history
there
had
the
opportunity
to
tour
your
your
ranches
back
in
2019,
understand
the
water
issue
and
my
role
as
a
southern
nevada
water
authority
director.
K
As
you
know,
we
killed
off
the
pipeline
after
that
which
very
happy
about
that,
but
the
water
issues,
as
I
understand
continue,
can
you
speak
to
the
status
of
water
issues
in
that
area
and,
in
particular,
the
efforts
by
utah
in
order
to
appropriate
water
and
detriment
to
your
ranching
operations?.
J
Yeah,
those
just
never
end
yeah
utah-
has
applications
in
the
next
next.
J
Two
valleys
to
the
east
and
modeling
shows
that
it
will
definitely
affect
our
our
water
again
and
the
farming
our
meadows
I
mentioned
being
in
on
irrigated
meadows
in
the
summer
and
and
one
of
them
out
about
15
miles
south
is
where
most
of
our
well
our
biggest
bunch
of
cows,
graze
and
that
that's
all
spring
fed,
and
there
is
a
a
pumping
operation
there
and
and
those
springs
are
being
damaged
and
and
we're
working
on
that
I
mean
we're
we're
in
litigation
over
that,
but
mo
the
modeling
shows
that
the
plans
that
the
utah
counties
iron
county
has
will
will
damage
it
further
and
and
we're
doing
our
best
to
counter
that.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
baker.
For
being
here,
I've
got
just
a
few,
I'm
really
just
out
of
interest
and
to
give
us
some
context,
a
really
important
one.
I'm
curious
what
elevation
most
of
the
ranch
like.
I
see
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
snow,
deep
snow,
I'm
familiar
with
the
area,
but
I'm
just
curious
what
elevation
for
the
most
part.
J
J
Yeah
we,
my
grandfather,
worked
there,
they
had
land
in
delta,
utah
and
my
grandfather
and
his
brothers
actually
had
a
dance
band
during
the
depression,
and
so
they
played
for
dances
out
in
baker
and
my
grandfather
liked
it
out
there,
and
then
he
worked
there.
In
the
summer
he
actually
spent
one
winter
in
a
dugout,
a
canyon
called
lucky
boy,
pounding
on
rocks
and
we've
been
in
agriculture.
Ever
since.
J
But
when
he
got
the
opportunity
he
sold
the
land
in
utah
and
bought
a
ranch
in
nevada
and
when
they
came
to
the
silver
creek
ranch
is
the
first
one
they
bought
the
night.
They
got
there.
A
neighbor
came
along
and
and
said
that
the
baker
ranch
was
going
to
come
up
for
lease
and
they
should
go.
Try
to
make
a
deal
so
they
never
unpacked
their
bags
at
silver,
creek
and
granddad
told
grandma
not
to
unpack
her
bags
and
bakery
either
because
it
was.
It
was
really
tight.
I
Okay,
well,
that's
kind
of
nice
to
have
a
town,
that's
kind
of
named,
but
not
really
and
the
last
question:
can
you
tell
us
some
of
the
wildlife
we
saw
it
there?
Do
you
tend
to
see
a
lot
of
wildlife?
I
I
think
we
tend
to
see
wildlife
around
ranches.
It's
always
nice
to
hear
what
kind
of
wildlife
you're
seeing
there
at
that
elevation.
J
So
every
year
they
do
the
bird
count,
they
count
the
birds
everywhere.
You
know,
even
in
in
this
valley,
I
think,
and
our
ranch
always
always
wins.
We
have.
We
have
the
most
species
and
the
most
birds.
So
we've
got
that
and
deer
like
crazy.
We
have
deer
and
antelope
and
and
some
elk
and
geese,
of
course,
bighorn
sheep
love
that
that
spring,
I
I
showed
you
there
and
the
antelope
that
whole
bench
we
love
to.
We
call
that
live
water.
J
We
love
to
have
what
live
water
and
the
antelope
utilize
that,
thankfully
we
don't
have
horses
to
the
south
of
us.
You
know
there
are
some
ranges
with
horses
that
have
been
severely
damaged,
but
yeah.
We
take
good
care
of
all
the
wildlife.
We
have
a
lot
of.
We
have
quite
a
few
red
foxes,
also
which
aren't
actually
native,
but
they
were
somebody
had
them
decades
ago
and
they
escaped
and
they're
fun
to
watch
coyotes.
Of
course,.
I
F
It's
good
to
see
you,
mr
baker.
I
just
I
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
other
follow-up
questions
kind
of
in
between
my
two
colleagues
here
around
water
issue.
You
mentioned
at
the
beginning
that
you
know,
because
of
some
of
the
tough
conditions,
you've
sold
off
and
kind
of
reduced
the
size
of
your
herd.
Could
you
just
tell
us,
give
us
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
kind
of
where
your
operation
was
and
kind
of
how
you've
had
to
to
trim
it
down.
J
Well,
what
we
did
last
summer
was
we
weaned
our
calves
very
early.
We
actually
weaned
the
first
bunch
of
calves
right
at
the
end
of
july
and
then
as
soon
as
soon
as
the
cows
settled
down,
we
went
through
and
checked
the
teeth
on,
all
of
them
that
were
over
seven
years
old
and
sold
all
the
ones
with
what
we
call
broken
mouth
cows
and
then
and
then
picked
on
them.
J
A
little
further
sold
them
a
little
bit
bit
deeper
than
that,
but
so
we're
that
was
quite
a
few
and
we're
cut
back
and
then,
like,
I
said,
we're
we're
feeding
all
our
three-year-olds,
which
means
my
brother
tom,
doesn't
have
as
much
hay
to
sell.
And,
of
course,
we
didn't
raise
as
much
hay
because
we
were
short
of
water.
So
it's
it's
been
an
a
tremendous
economic
hit
and
a
hit
to
our
morale
also,
but.
F
So
I
appreciate
you
sharing
some
of
that,
and
then
you
mentioned
a
little
bit
before
about
how
you've
seen
some
of
the
the
springs
have
been
damaged
and
and
have
been
declining.
Could
you
just
share
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
J
Well,
last
summer,
our
mountain
mountain
pasture
was
on
the
north
end
yeah.
We
just
had
to
bring
the
cows
off
because
a
lot
of
the
springs
dried
up
early.
You
know
there
were
a
few
of
the
a
few
that
didn't
dry
up
and
we
had
some
cows
up
there
into
september,
but
most
of
the
cows
we
actually
had
to
bring
home
july.
F
Great,
no,
not
great
all
right
thanks
for
the
question.
Thanks
for
the
answer
I
mean.
F
The
last
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
around
water
is
around
conservation.
I'm
sure
mr
vesselman
will
also
talk
about
this,
but
you
know,
I
think,
you've
already
kind
of
discussed
how
you're
always
adapting
to
changing
conditions,
and
you
know
trying
to
do
the
best
with
the
limited
resources
that
you
can.
F
Can
you
talk
about
some
of
the
things
that
your
operations
done
to?
Try
and
you
know,
conserve
water
and
and.
J
J
Yeah
I
that
tom
could
do
a
better
job
of
explaining
it,
but
we've
refitted
all
our
circle,
sprinklers
or
most
of
them
to
add
twice
as
many
drops
and
instead
of
spraying
from
this
high
up
the
the
drops
spray
from
essentially
dragging
on
the
ground,
and
so
there's
nowhere
near
as
much
evaporation
and
you
it.
It
makes
a
huge
difference
on
the
productivity
given
for
a
gallon
of
water
everywhere.
Water
is
the
limiting
limiting
factor
and
obviously,
whether
it's
hauling
water
to
cows
or
or
the
farming.
F
F
Could
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
you
know
we've.
I
think,
there's
been
some
other
conversations
around.
You
know
how
we
can
help
promote
local
agriculture,
that
there
was
just
some
funding
that
we
approved
to
try
and
increase
state
meat
processing.
F
And
so
could
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
your
your
decision-making
around
that
and
any
thoughts
that
you
have
to
share
about
how
we
can
kind
of
have
you
know,
cattle
that
get
raised
and
and
stay
and
and
get
processed
and
and
feed
folks
right
here
in
nevada,.
J
J
So
and
that's
why
most
of
the
cattle
in
nevada
get
shipped
out,
I
mean
we
in
our
feed
lot:
they're
fed
a
little
bit
of
corn,
but
mostly
hay
silage
stuff
like
that
and
then,
but
for
the
last
two
to
three
months
of
a
of
a
beef
cow's
life.
What's
called
finishing,
that
ration
is
about
70
percent
energy.
J
You
know
some
kind
of
grain,
so
in
order
to
finish
them-
and
you
know,
take
them
to
harvest
that,
then
you
need
to
have
you
need
to
have
the
corn
unless
you're
shooting
for
a
niche
market
which
would
be
like
grass-fed
beef
or
something
like
that,
and
then
there
then
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity.
I
mean
that's.
J
J
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
yeah
dave,
just
from
a
broader
perspective,
as
a
cattleman
and
as
a
cattleman's
representative,
this
drought
and
you
care
to
touch
on,
and
sometimes
watts
was
getting
very
close
to
it,
but
impacts
to
the
industry
that
we're
looking
at
in
the
short
term.
With
this
drought,
I
mean
what
do
you
see
in
as
far
as
market
trends
or
your
opinion?
You
want
to
just
speak
to
that
just
a
little
bit.
You
know
we're
talking.
350
hay,
no
grass.
J
I've
got
neighbors
that
just
just
spent
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
hay
to
try
to
keep
their
cattle
they.
You
know
the
the
forecast
is
for
the
cattle
market
to
come
up
some
because
the
numbers
are
down
and
and
demand
has
stayed
strong
throughout
this
downturn.
J
But
you
we
can't
keep
doing
that.
I
mean
we're.
We
did
a
compromise,
we
sold
cattle
and
we're
feeding
cows
and-
and,
like
I
say,
some
people
are
well
they're,
going
to
be
worth
more
and
worth
it,
but
but
now
hayes
up
so
high
that
that
and
we
just
keep
waiting
for
the
price
of
cattle
to
come
up.
It
hasn't
much.
C
Thank
you
dave
and
yeah,
just
I,
I
don't
want
to
make
sure
we
got
out
there
just
how
serious
this
is
moving
forward,
not
only
livestock
industry
and
and
not
only
here
in
nevada.
It's
across
the
nation.
I
think
we're
rapidly
approaching
an
all-time
low
for
cal
numbers
and
and
again
given
the
price
in
the
grocery
store.
When
you're
talking
20
a
pound
for
a
steak,
people
aren't
buying
it
and,
like
you
say,
you're
culling
your
broken
mouth
cows,
but
because
we
can
grind
those,
but
the
bottom
line.
C
A
Thank
you
and
my
colleagues
covered
most
of
my
questions.
I
just
have
a
couple
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
give
us
kind
of
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
baker,
farms,
operations
or
sorry,
your
ranch's
operations,
but
also,
whether
that's
large,
in
comparison
to
most
nevada,
ranches
or
small
or
but
what
I'm
getting
at
is.
Are
there
a
couple
of
very
large
cattle
ranchers
in
nevada
and
then
a
couple
of
smaller
ones?
Do
we
have
ranches
of
all
sizes,
what's
kind
of
the
landscape.
J
J
We
we
typically
wean-
and
you
know
what
that
means.
I
guess
1700
calves
every
year
of
it'll
be
quite
a
bit
fewer
this
year
and
then
and
then
we
sell.
We
sell
enough
hay
that
we
load
a
truck
for
every
day
of
the
year,
whether
it's
hayer.
A
J
J
But
and
then
you
know
a
lot
of
the
the
actual
really
smaller,
the
real
small
ranches,
the
national
cow
average
I
think,
is
like
25
head
and
that
that's
because
people
have
other
forms
of
income
or
sources
of
income,
and
we
have
that
in
nevada
too.
So
you
know
it
affects
them
quite
a
bit
differently.
If
they're,
if
they've
got
another
source
of
income
but
have
a
few
cows.
A
Thank
you
that
that
helps
me
get
a
sense
for
it
at
least,
and
then
I
want
to
go
back
to
something
my
colleague,
assemblyman
hanson
has
asked
you
about,
because
this
is
the
public
lands
committee,
and
you
know
you
mentioned
that
you
do
pasture
some
of
your
cows
on
public
lands,
and
I
was
hoping
you
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
whether
those
public
lands
tend
to
be
shared
with
recreation
like
hunting
and
hiking,
or
whether
they're
more
remote
public
lands.
And
if
there's
conflict
there.
J
Well,
we
live
a
long
ways
from
anywhere,
but
most
definitely
there's
recreation
out
there.
We
see
a
lot
of
hunting.
You
know
that
the
big
horn
cheap,
I
I
and
that
spring
I've
known
you
know
those
tags
are
rare,
but
I've
known
two
people
that
have
taken
taken
big
horn,
sheep
near
there.
We
have
some
four-wheelers
lots
of
people
will
come
out
from
from
the
wasatch
front,
just
to
hunt
rabbits
in
the
winter,
and
I
thought
that
was
crazy.
The
first
time
I
realized
that
and
then
I
thought
about
getting
out
and
yeah.
J
J
A
C
C
Thank
you
anyway.
I'm
just
you
know.
Public
domain
is
one
thing,
but
then,
as
committee
member
jones,
you
know
if
it
is
a
wilderness
area,
then
there
are,
you
know,
sideboards
put
on
it
or
that
you
can't
actually
be
there,
but
again
that
that
isn't
established
by
the
permittee.
That
is
the
federal
agency.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
got
that
clear
on
the
record.
L
Thank
you
vice
chair
for
the
record.
My
name
is
doug
busselman,
I'm
the
executive
vice
president
of
nevada,
farm
bureau,
I'm
also
joined
by
bevin,
lister
bevin,
is
the
president
of
the
nevada
farm
bureau.
He
is
a
farmer
in
the
lincoln
county
area
and
also
serves
as
a
county
commissioner
in
lincoln
county.
So
I
wanted
to
first
start
out
with
kind
of
an
overview
of
nevada
farm
bureau.
Nevada
farm
bureau
is
a
general
farm
organization.
L
L
We
have
county
farm,
bureaus
11,
county
farm
bureaus
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
our
members
join
the
county
farm
bureau
and
then
the
county
farm
bureaus
are
members
of
the
nevada
farm
bureau
federation
and
we
are
then
members
of
the
american
farm
bureau
federation.
There
are
51
state
farm
bureaus
in
the
united
states
and
we
are
one
of
those,
the
the
other
beside
the
50
states.
Puerto
rico
is
also
a
state
farm
bureau.
L
When
I
work
in
the
nevada
legislature
and
the
other
activities
that
I
do
on
public
policy,
I'm
guided
by
our
policy
development.
Our
policy
book,
which
is
on
an
annual
basis,
is
developed
with
our
member
input.
So
when
I
represent
farm
bureau
in
the
legislative
or
other
processes,
that
representation
comes
from
our
grassroots
farm
bureau
members
who
are
involved
in
developing
what
our,
what
our
issues
are
and
what
we're
going
to
be
going
with
nevada
farm
bureau
began
in
1919.
L
on
february,
25th
of
1919
ab-110
was
introduced
in
the
29
session
of
the
nevada
legislature
and
when
ab-110
was
passed
and
became
law.
The
bill
authorized
county
farm
bureaus
to
be
formed
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
these
county
farm
bureaus
and
were
responsible
for
the
overview
of
the
county
cooperative
extension
budget
and
worked
with
the
state
director
for
cooperative
extension
in
coordinating
their
local
extension
programs
and.
L
Budgets,
nevada
farm
or
nevada
ranks
43rd
in
the
nation
of
the
cash
receipts
for
all
commodities
that
are
produced
in
the
united
states.
That
total
for
the
state
is
668
million,
594
000
in
cash
receipts,
and
we
are
located
in
the
in
the
sequence
of
the
of
the
country.
We
are
just
behind
maine
and
just
ahead
of
west
virginia
as
far
as
where
we
fit
within
that.
In
that
scheme
of
things,
california
ranks
is
the
first.
L
The
number
one
state
in
ag
production
based
on
the
economic
research
service,
information,
nevada,
agricultural
producers
fit
in
a
unique
niche,
and
it's
been
discussed
here,
I
think,
by
by
mr
baker
and
others
that
we
we
have
limitations
on
the
amount
of
water
as
well
as
the
private
lands
that
are
necessary
for
an
effective
agricultural
production
sector,
pushing
the
wrong
button.
Here,
all
the
time
livestock
production
is
the
primary
source
of
nevada
agriculture
production.
L
L
On
a
statewide
overview-
and
this
number
is
based
off
of
the
ag
statistics-
information
in
in
2022-
we
had
244
000,
head
of
beef,
cattle
31,
000
head
of
dairy
cows
and
about
60
000,
head
of
sheep
and
clark
county
for
those
of
you
who
are
from
clark
county
you're,
the
number
one
pork
producing
county
in
the
state
or
in
the
county
of
nevada,
and
there
are
roughly
about
2500
hogs
that
are
raised
in
nevada.
L
On
a
cash
on
a
on
a
crop
basis,
primarily
most
of
the
the
the
cash
that
that's
raised,
comes
from
hay
production,
but
we
also
have
other
crops,
wheat,
vegetables,
potatoes,
onions,
garlic,
etc.
L
These
are
the
way
that
the
count
or
the
county
organizations
stack
up
across
the
state
with
humboldt
is
the
number
one
agricultural
county
in
the
state.
It's
it's
interesting
to
note
that
the
top
five
of
those
counties
account
for
two-thirds
of
the
state's
overall
total.
So
that's
kind
of
the
the
the
the
information
that
is
relative
to
those
production
and
where
those
where
those
counties
and
agriculture
is
located
in
the
state.
L
For
those
of
you
who
are
visiting
white
count
or
white
pine
county
white
pine
county
accounts
for
five
percent
of
the
state's
agricultural
sales
and
as
a
side
note
where
we
see
where,
where
white
pine
ranks
second
in
the
state
for
sheep,
goats
and
wool
sales,
the
number
one
county
in
the
in
the
state
for
those
products
is
churchill
county,
and
most
of
that
is
because
of
the
the
developments
that
have
taken
place
over
the
past
several
years,
with
goats
and
and
milking
of
goats
becoming
a
a
very
significant
contributor
to
that
to
that
type
of
production.
L
And
so
that's
what
pushes
churchill
county
into
the
into
that
number
one
slate
water
matters
to
nevada
agriculture
in
the
list
of
counties.
This
identifies
the
number
of
irrigated
acres
in
each
of
the
counties
that
we
have
across
the
state
and
the
duties
on
most
agricultural
production
is
around
four
acre
feet
of
water.
There
are
some
that
are
a
little
bit
less.
There
are
some
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
basically
you're
looking
at
about
four
acre
feet
of
water
for
each
of
those
acres
that
are
being
irrigated.
L
And
so
with
that
mind,
I
wanted
to
share
our
organization's
policy
on
water
conservation
as
it
applies
to
water
and
nevada.
Farm
bureau
supports
appropriate
management
of
agricultural
irrigation
and
conservation
measures
which
make
sure
that
we're
providing
for
the
proper
management
of
water
resources
and
that
we
have
the
long-term
ability
to
maintain
production
and
use
of
that
water.
L
L
We
also
believe
that
attention
needs
to
be
direct,
be
directed
at
addressing
the
over-appropriated
groundwater
basins,
with
solutions
oriented
to
bring
water
rights
and
water
being
pumped
into
ballots
with
those
perennial
yields
that
nevada
water
law
is
based
on.
Ongoing
monitoring
reports
need
to
be
shared
with
the
water
right
owners
in
the
groundwater
basin
to
assist
in
better
understanding
the
conditions
and
the
status
of
the
groundwater
that
they're
dealing
with.
L
On
the
air
on
the
issue
of
conservation
and
irrigation
efficiency,
as
it's
been
discussed
here
already,
we
believe
that
agricultural,
water
right
owners
are
addressing
those
types
of
concerns
without
having
the
need
for
government
involvement
because
of
the
cost
of
the
economic
self-interest
that
producers
have
in
protecting
their
resources.
In
a
long-term
basis,
agriculture
has
lasted
in
nevada
as
long
as
it
has
because
of
their
flexibility,
as
well
as
their
long-term
view
and
vision
that
they
that
they
operate
with.
L
And
so
I
think
agriculture
is
is
very
much
while
we,
while
we
are
the
largest
water
right
owners
in
the
in
the
state
because
of
the
the
way
that
our
system
is
developed.
L
I
believe
that
it's
essential
that
we
understand
that
that
agriculture
is
doing
what
it
can,
because
it's
in
their
interest
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
over
pumping
or
that
they're
not
doing
harm
to
their
own
wells.
It's
not
it's
not
cheap
to
dig
deeper
and-
and
it's
certainly
not
very
effective.
If
you're
well
and
your
in
your
system
is
going
to
not
be
able
to
be
sustainable.
L
And
that
concludes
my
presentation,
thanks
again
for
having
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
this
in
this
hearing
and-
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
as
the
as
the
session
or
as
the
the
interim
process
continues.
M
Thank
you
vice
chair
scheible,
I'm
bevin,
lister,
I'm
the
president
of
nevada
farm
bureau
and
I
appreciate
what
doug's
put
together
there
and
and
hope
his
information
was
informative
for
you.
I
I
just
those
that
know
me.
I
just
kind
of
shoot
from
the
hip,
so
I've
got
a
couple
things
I'd
like
to
add.
M
Sorry
alexa,
a
quote.
I
heard
a
number
of
years
ago
from
a
high
school
student
really
struck
me
and,
and
has
stuck
with
me.
He
said
that
ag
is
agriculture.
Is
the
foundation
of
every
stable
society.
M
Now,
keeping
that
in
mind
hungry
people
aren't
stable.
They
they
tend
to.
They
tend
to
get
unhappy
really
quickly.
M
M
The
challenge
for
agriculture
across
the
state
and
across
the
nation
is
that
we're
a
dwindling
breed
one
of
our
more
illustrious
friends
here
in
eastern
nevada
commented
years
ago
I
senator
gokuchi.
I
think
you
were
there
when
hank
said
that
to
be
involved
in
agriculture
was
a
genetic
mutation.
M
That
being
said,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
issues
that
plague
and
and
and
push
agriculture
and
and
most
of
our
kids
don't
come
back
to
agriculture
simply
because
they
want
to
work
that
hard.
M
They
can
make
more
money
doing
something
else
in
in
a
less
remote
place.
Nevada's
agricultural
environment
is
challenging
it's
the
dry
estate
in
the
union,
but
it
does
have
some
compensations.
We
have
some
niche
markets
and
some
things
that
we
can
do
the
best
alfalfa
hay
produced
in
the
world
is
produced
in
nevada.
M
M
M
M
M
In
that
context
there
are,
and
and
in
in
my
educational
history,
there
was
a
lot
of
work
done
with
improving
efficiency
of
flood
irrigation
and
those
processes
have
helped
us
better
use
water
immensely
over
the
last
60
years.
So
in
the
question,
conservation
ag
is
doing
its
part
and
has
done
its
part.
M
Are
there
still
further
places
that
we
could
go?
Probably
and
and
every
year
research
is
being
done
on
on
different
ways
to
to
apply
that
water
in
the
most
efficient
manner
to
get
the
best
amount
of
crop
value
for
the
water
that's
put
on
now,
I'm
gonna
shift
gears
just
for
a
second
a
couple
more
points.
M
M
Everybody's
interested
everybody
wants
to
see
the
birds
and
the
deer
and
and
the
antelope,
and
is
now
what
the
song
says
where
the
deer
and
the
animal
play
well.
Here
we
are,
we
can
we
can
go
for
a
drive
and
I
can
show
you,
but
those
are
under
conditions
where
those
rangelands
are
managed.
You're,
a
public
lands
committee,
wilderness
areas,
national
parks,
conservation
areas,
monuments,
those
are
all
non-managed
lands,
no
grazers
out
there
moving
water
resources
around
cattle
aren't
there.
M
M
M
M
M
M
So,
just
just
to
finish
up
dave
showed
you
some
of
the
some
of
the
wonderful
things
that
we
do
in
our
in
our
operations
in
our
in
our
in
our
farms
and
ranches.
It's
not
for
the
faint
of
heart.
It's
a
lot
of
work
and
it's
for
the
most
part.
It's
a
family
deal.
The
kids
learn
from
a
very
young
age
that
you
get
up
in
the
morning.
You
go
to
work,
so
we
provide
not
only.
M
A
Thank
you
so
much.
This
is
senator
scheibel
for
the
record
and
I
think
our
committee
will
have
a
few
questions
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
both
for
your
presentations
and
for
mentioning
the
policy
book.
I
found
it
very
easily
on
the
nevada
farm
bureau
website.
So
that's
helpful
to
us
me.
I
think
all
of
us
and
with
that
are
there
questions,
commissioner
jones.
K
Yeah
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
with
regards
to
water.
I
appreciate
the
presentation
I
I
wanted
to
speak
quickly
to
one
aspect
of
that,
and
this
is
more
southern
nevada,
which
is
the
colorado
river,
which
is
facing
the
largest
crisis
in
history
with,
like
me,
lake
powell
at
crisis
levels
in
which
glen
canyon
dam
may
cease
operations
in
the
next
year.
K
You
mentioned
the
farm
bureaus
in
other
states,
and
I
wanted
to
understand
if
there
are
communication
coordination
with
the
farm
bureaus
in
the
other
states
along
the
colorado
river
to
address.
Obviously,
agriculture
is
the
largest
user
of
colorado
river
water
and
what
the
nevada
farm
bureau
is
is
doing
to
coordinate
with
those
other
users
along
the
kara
river
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
have
water
in
the
color
river.
L
For
the
record,
doug
busselman
nevada
farm
bureau,
thank
you
for
the
question,
and
and
yes,
we
do
coordinate
not
only
with
the
farm
bureaus
in
the
in
the
southern
part
of
the
arizona
and
in
california,
but
we
also
coordinate
with
the
northern
areas
as
well
and-
and
I
think
that
well,
I
know
that
that
there
are
concerns
across
the
board
in
in
how
they
go
about
managing
their
resources
in
their
respective
states
and
and
how
that
affects
the
colorado
as
well
as
how
the
colorado
status
affects
the
farming.
L
Arizona
is,
is
certainly
going
to
be
looking
at
some
very
tough
times
ahead,
based
on
the
the
levels
of
of
the
the
water
that's
going
through
lake
mead.
Even
so,
yes,
we
do.
We
do
coordinate,
we.
We
get
regular
presentations
in
each
of
the
states
on
different
kinds
of
activities
that
are
going
on,
so
I
would
say.
Yes,
we
are
working
on
those
things
and
we
are
engaged
at
the
at
the
national
level
as
well.
K
I'm
chair
on
follow-up.
I
guess
we're
going
into.
Obviously
drought
contingency
plan
is
in
effect
right
now.
Reclamation
declared
a
shortage
going
into
2026
renegotiation
of
the
color
river
compact.
Is
the
farm
bureau
nationally
and
at
the
state
level
take
positions
as
to
what
ought
to
happen
in
regards
to
dcp
and
cal
river
compact
renegotiations.
F
I
I
certainly
do
appreciate
your
remarks,
mr
lister,
about
the
the
active
management
that
role
that
that
agriculture
plays
with
livestock
every
single
day,
although
I
do
think
that
our
department
of
wildlife
and
our
sportsman
groups
might
disagree
that
that
that's
the
the
only
population
that's
being
managed
so
I'll
just
put
that
out
there.
I
did
have
a
couple
questions
one
mr
busselman,
you
talked
to
you
had
a
slide
that
kind
of
went
through.
I
think
you
mentioned
the
number
of
operators
and
the
number
of
acres
in
production.
F
L
For
the
record
doug
busselman
nevada
farm
bureau-
actually
there
was
over
I've.
I've
been
in
nevada
for
well
since
1988
and
and
over
the
course
of
that
time.
For
the
most
part,
the
numbers
of
agricultural
producers
had
remained
stable.
There
was
a
spike
in
the
last
or
the
the
ag
census
prior
to
the
last
one
that
was
done.
The
the
primary
numbers
of
agricultural
producers
in
nevada
are
are
small.
L
I
mean
the
the
growth
that
when
it
when
there
has
been
growth,
it
has
been
growth
in
the
in
the
number
of
producers
which
are
smaller,
the
the
the
larger
to
mid-sized
operations
that
are
probably
closer
to
being
self-contained
or
they
don't
have
they
don't
rely.
L
I
mean
every
agricultural
operation
relies
somewhat
from
off-farm
income,
but
but
the
ones
that
are
in
it
full-time,
so
to
speak,
that
that's
been
pretty
stable
across
the
across
the
the
board,
but
the
the
the
numbers
in
the
middle
and
the
small
have
been
up
and
down
over
time
with
the
small
numbers
up
to
like
five
thousand
or
ten
thousand
dollars
worth
of
revenue
per
year.
They've
varied
over
the
course
of
how
that's
unfolded,
but
for
the
most
part,
it's
pretty
stable
across
the
across
the
spectrum.
L
Again
for
the
record
doug
busselman
nevada
farm
bureau,
I
would
say
that
that
there
has
been
a
pretty
strong
stability.
I
don't
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
influx.
There
have
been
again
some
of
the
smaller
operations
that
have
had
five
or
ten
or
or
20
acres,
that
they've
kind
of
varied.
L
But
most
you
know
one
of
the
one
of
the
limiting
factors
or
the
two
limiting
factors
that
nevada
agriculture
contends
with
is
is
number
one
water
and
number
two.
There
aren't
a
lot
of
private
land
acres
available
and
you
have
to
have
both
of
them
in
order
to
make
that
really
work
in
a
farming
operation.
M
So
beverly
lister
for
the
record.
Thanks
for
that
question,
mr
watson,
and
to
follow
up
just
a
little
bit
more
on
that
yeah,
the
limiting
factor
primarily
is
water,
but
we
do
have
basins
in
the
state
where
water
is
available
and
land
is
available
and
process
is
available
for
that
land
to
be
put
into
production.
M
So
that's
just
for
your
information
and
love
to
discuss
that
further
with
you
at
another
time
and
on,
and
I
apologize
on
on
your
earlier
comment-
no
no
negative
to
the
department
of
wildlife,
but
those
those
populations
are
managed
by
harvest
but
not
actively
managed
as
far
as
location
and
and
movement
like
livestock
is
done.
That's
that's
what
I
meant
thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
howard
watts,
for
the
record.
I
appreciate
that
so
back
to
the
the
number
one
issue-
water
and-
and
yes,
mr
lister,
I'd
love
to
get
some
more
information
about
that
issue.
You
just
brought
up
so
in
the
position
statement
you
mentioned.
You
know
you
support
solutions
to
make
sure
that
over-appropriated
and
over-pumped
basins
are
brought
into
sustainability.
F
Can
you
speak
to
what
solutions
you
support
either
that
are
existing
or
if
you
have
any
proposals.
L
I
think,
from
from
the
standpoint
of
our
policy,
the
only
real
tool
that
is
currently
available
in
nevada
law
deals
with
curtailment
as
a
tool
used
to
bring
about
those
balances,
but
but
but
in
our
perspective
I
think
we're
we're
mostly
supporting
local
activities
to
try
to
figure
out
how
that
might
be
brought
about.
L
Again,
doug
busselman
for
nevada
farm
bureau.
Yes,
that
would
be
probably
one
of
the
things
that
that
could
be
done.
During
the
last
drought,
there
were
some
local
groups
that
were
working
together
in
mason
valley,
for
example,
that
were
working
at
trying
to
figure
out
how
they
might
be
able
to
reduce
and
conserve
water
just
to
basically
to
maintain
their
their
their
water
levels
and
some
of
those
kinds
of
things.
F
Understood,
thank
you,
howard
watts,
for
the
record
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about.
You
know
you
mentioned
some
of
the
conservation
initiatives
that
have
already
been
undertaken.
I
appreciate
that
and-
and
you
know
the
economic
necessity-
and
I
think,
we've
also
heard
about
the
slim
margins
slim
to
none
that
can
exist
in
in
the
industry.
F
You
know
you
discussed
in
in
kind
of
that
position
that
the
government-
and
I
think
that
was
particularly
aimed
at
government
policies
around
conservation,
but
is
there
anything
else
that
you
can
see
in
terms
of
incentives
or
support
to
to
help
agriculture
with
conservation
understanding
again
just
the
some
of
the
difficult
economic
situations
that
you
that
you
can
find
yourselves
in.
L
Again
for
the
record:
doug
wesselmann
nevada
farm
bureau.
Thank
you
for
that
comment
question.
I.
I
think
that
that
there
are
some
incentives
that
are
available
in
terms
of
support
programs
and
conservation
programs
through
the
nrcs
and
other
federal
agencies
that
bring
funding
into
the
mix
in
order
to
help
streamline
some
of
those
conservation
measures
in
a
cost-sharing
kind
of
basis.
L
So
so
I
would
say
that
that
there's
those
programs,
I
think
the
other
you
know
the
other
options
are
when,
when
producers
have
the
ability
or
interest
in
in
selling
out
or
doing
other
things
that
that
there
probably
are
mechanisms
within
that
activity
that
could
be
used
to
allow
for
voluntary
retirement
of
with
compensation
of
water
rights
in
order
to
try
to
bring
about
those
those
adjustments.
F
Thank
you,
mr
bustleman
howard
watts
for
the
record
one
one
last
thing,
so
you
mentioned
the
the
law
that
was
passed
that
provided
some
flexibility
and
use
it
or
lose
it
during
times
of
drought.
Do
you
feel
that
that
provides
all
the
the
flexibility
that
the
industry
needs
to
be
able
to?
L
Again,
douglas
nevada
farm
bureau-
yes,
sir,
I
would
I
would
say
that
that
is
where
we.
We
believe
that
the
current
law
provides
for
the
mechanisms
that
are
necessary
for
the
conservation,
as
well
as
the
proper
management
of
groundwater
and
surface
water
going
into
the
future.
We
don't
advocate
any
any
spectacular
changes.
We
believe
that
we've
gotten
where
we
have
because
of
the
strength
and
the
quality
of
nevada,
water
law
and-
and
we
are
not
interested
in
making
massive
changes
in
order
to
tweak
things
in
order
to
bring
about
short-term
solutions.
L
I
think
that
long-term
we
have
to
look
at
how
we
bring
about
proper
management
with
those
engaged
who
are
managing
their
water,
and
I
understand
that
I
understand
that
nevada
water
is,
in
fact
the
people's
water.
I
get
that,
but
in
terms
of
the
management
of
those
waters
that
that
are
for
use
that
are
owned
by
water
right
users,
we
believe
that
that
is
the
is
the
group
that
needs
to
be
involved
in
bringing
about
those
those
solutions.
M
Bevan
lister
for
the
record.
Thank
you,
mr
watson,
and
I
guess
my
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
that
if
there
needs
to
be
an
investment
it
I
I
would
look
to
an
investment
more
in
in
nevada
extension,
where
and
and
more
of
a
directive
to
actually
benefit
production
agriculture,
with
with
an
emphasis
on
finding
either
new
varieties
of
crops
that
are
yes,
less
water,
dependent
or
demanding
and
or
better
application
techniques.
F
F
You
know-
and
I
understand
that
kind
of
cattle
operations
are
the
number
one-
the
largest
kind
of
portion
of
nevada
agriculture,
but
there's
just,
I
think,
some
really
incredible
operations
and
stories
to
tell
both
within
that
sector
and
others.
I
got
to
tour
some
agricultural
operations
in
fallon
recently,
including
the
largest
tef
cultivation
and
and
processing
operation
in
the
united
states,
both
drought,
drought-hardy
plants,
but
also
again
filling
kind
of
a
niche
market.
F
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
all
right?
Thank
you
both.
So
much
for
your
presentation.
I
just
want
to
give
the
our
audience
here
a
little
update
on
timing.
It
looks
like
we're
at
about
almost
11
15
right
now.
The
next
portion
of
our
meeting
is
going
to
be
focused
on
presentations
from
individual
counties,
on
issues
relating
to
public
lands
and
natural
resources.
A
We're
going
to
take
just
a
short
break
at
this
moment,
five
to
ten
minutes,
so
that
committee
members
can
stand
up
stretch
their
legs
get
some
water
things
like
that,
then
we'll
come
back
and
we'll
start
in
on
those
county
presentations
and
get
through
I'm
guessing
about
two
before
lunch
and
my
purpose
in
telling
you
this
is
not
to
rush
you,
it's
the
opposite.
We
have
plenty
of
time
and
also
I
see
lots
of
county
managers
in
the
audience
on
this
break.
A
A
A
All
right
we
have
everybody
back.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
do
an
official
roll
call
again
just
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
of
the
members
are
still
present
present
again
and
we
are
going
to
hear
from
a
couple
of
counties
in
nevada
about
some
updates
and
their
public
lands
and
related
issues.
A
We're
going
to
start
with
elko
so
come
on
up
to
the
podium
again,
just
a
reminder:
there's
a
microphone
button
turn
it
on
and
off
on
when
you
speak
off
when
you're
done
and
give
your
name
when
you're
right
before
you
start
your
comments
and
then
during
any
questions.
N
All
right
well
good
morning,
I'm
vice
chair
and
committee
members,
I'm
rex
stenninger,
I'm
a
county
commissioner
from
elko,
and
I
apologize
for
coming
in
a
little
bit
late.
We
actually
hit
snow
on
the
way
down
here
and
the
snow
plows
then
evidently
quit
for
the
winter.
N
J
N
N
He
was
an
attorney
with
our
district
attorney's
office
when
we
hired
him
and
he
specializes
specializes
in
conflict
resolutions.
So
we're
a
pretty
good
team.
We,
we
stir
up
the
conflicts
and
he
resolves
them.
So
I
plan
to
comment
on
a
couple
of
the
problems
I
think
are
my
biggest
concerns
facing
elko
and
then
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
curtis
to
highlight
a
couple.
Others.
N
N
N
Another
answer
explained
and
showed
us
the
evidence
where
the
horses
had
actually
pushed
down
a
brand
new
barbed
wire
fence
that
he
had
built
to
protect
his
meadows
and
horses
got
in
there
and
destroyed
his
hay
crop.
N
That's
why
I'm
so
thankful
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
I
feel
you
are
in
a
much
better
position
to
do
something
than
we
are
at
the
county
levels.
In
our
constitutional
republic.
N
The
other
main
problem,
I'd
like
to
address
is
the
effort
to
withdraw
millions
of
acres
of
elko
county
from
mineral
exploration
in
a
misguided
effort
to
protect
the
sagehen
sage
grouse,
I
say
misguided,
because
mineral
exploration
and
mining
has
is
no
threat
to
this
atom,
and
on
top
of
that,
the
sage
grass
does
not
need
protection.
N
The
early
explorers
to
this
region
kept
detailed
journals
of
what
they
found,
and
there
is
no
mention
of
sage
grouse
and
very
little
mention
of
any
other
game
at
all.
In
fact,
peter
skein
ogden
who's
credited
as
being
the
first
explorer
into
northern
nevada
and
his
crew
of
hardy
mountain
men
nearly
starved
to
death.
They
ended
up
having
to
eat
their
horses
to
get
out
of
here.
N
By
the
middle
of
the
last
century,
they
were
so
plentiful
that
a
lot
of
the
old
timers
tell
you
stories
about
when
they
took
the
flight.
They
actually
darkened
the
sky,
and
the
stories
you
hear
about
the
declining
populations
is
a
trick:
they're
declining
they're,
comparing
today's
population
to
the
peak
nearly
60
years
ago.
N
O
Thanks,
I
appreciate
you
guys
having
me
there's
I'm
going
to
touch
on
a
couple.
O
Things
rex
touched
on,
but
also
a
few
others
that
come
up
one
of
the
first
ones,
and
this
is
one
of
the
ones
that
the
state
already
works
on,
but
the
mormon
crickets,
the
state
has
a
mormon
cricket
plan
and
if
you
guys
have
ever
seen
a
big
infestation,
they're
huge
and
when
they
get
on
the
road,
they're
slick
and
they're
always
exciting
to
watch
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
elko
county
last
year
was
there
was
we
had
a
pretty
large
hatch
in
some
of
our
areas
and
it
got
they
got
into
a
couple
hay
fields
and
just
tore
those
hay
fields
up
as
we've
kind
of
heard
today.
O
Hey
is
something
that
is
in
demand
this
year
and
so
any
hay
fields
that
are
lost
or
kind
of
a
big
loss
to
the
economy.
The
area
the
crickets
are
hatched
on
private
land.
Elko
county
is
73
private
land,
so
anywhere
you
stand
and
spit.
You
could
probably
hit
public
land
if
you
wanted
to,
and
the
the
state
currently
has
a
plan
where
they'll
spray,
certain
areas
and
they'll
bait
certain
areas
to
try
to
mitigate
this
a
little
bit.
It's
a
really
small
program.
It's
really
underfunded.
O
O
Jeff
knight
your
state
entomologist,
does
a
really
good
job.
The
chemicals
he
uses
are
very
narrowly
tailored
to
just
deal
with
these.
They
can't
poison
most
other
things
and
definitely
nothing
with
a
spinal
cord,
and
so,
if
you
guys
would
give
him
the
resources
that
he
needs
to
take
care
of.
This
you'd
have
some
pretty
good
outcomes.
Pretty
easy
on
that
second
thing,
and
I
I
kind
of
like
going
first
on
this,
because
I
feel
like
some
other
counties,
are
going
to
bring
this
up
as
well.
But
wildfires
are
my
second
thing.
O
I
want
to
bring
up.
I've
got
a
map
here
again.
Elko
county
is
73
percent
public
land,
so
anywhere
you're
at
you're,
not
far
from
it.
This
is
a
map
of
land
ownership
and
wildfires
from
2000
to
2018
overlaid
on
it,
as
you
can
see,
the
biggest
wildfires
and
the
most
wildfires
are
on
public
land.
O
This
destroys
habitat
for
antelope,
deer
elk
sage,
grouse,
trucker.
All
of
those
things
that
sort
of
make
public
land
really
interesting
for
people
coming
to
recreate
on
it
makes
it
much
worse
for
them,
so
something
about
the
way
that
these
lands
are
being
managed,
isn't
working,
and
I
don't
have
all
the
the
answers
for
that.
One
of
the
things
that
happened
about
2015
or
16
is
ndf
started
to
leave
more
of
the
firefighting
to
counties.
Counties
formed
the
fire
districts
started
building
up
their
own
wildland
firefighting
capabilities.
O
O
We
would
rather
see
you
guys
just
give
the
fire
district
some
extra
funds
to
build
up
their
capabilities
rather
than
building
a
redundant
system
run
by
two
different
governments
on
the
same
ground.
O
Another
thing
that
we
spend
about
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
the
wfpp
program
wildfire
protection
program,
and
we
would
rather,
we
would
rather
you
guys,
just
paid
that
for
us
and
leave
us
that
extra
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
to
fight
fires,
where
we're
at
one
of
the
biggest
problems
is
the
spread
of
cheat
grass.
That's
a
big
factor
in
these
fires.
O
You
guys
are
on
the
public
lands
and
natural
resources
committees.
This
won't
be
the
first
time
you've
heard
of
cheatgrass,
but
just
for
background
cheatgrass,
it's
a
non-native
annual
grass.
It's
contributes
to
the
fine
fuel
load,
and
so
when
you
touch
it
to
a
spark,
it
goes
really
fast
and
then
can
light
other
things
that
need
a
little
more
heat
on
fire
and
it
also
I'm
kind
of
I'm
a
huge
nerd.
O
So
anything
that
I
say,
if
you
guys
want
a
source
for
it,
I
have
I
have
them,
I'm
happy
to
send
them
to
you.
It's
what
I
do.
There's
a
few
ways
to
deal
with
cheatgrass
one
of
them
is
spraying
herbicide,
really
widely.
O
O
Cows
are
very
conscientious
workers,
you
don't
have
to
pay
them
a
lot
and
they
mostly
take
care
of
themselves,
and
so
targeted
grazing
is
one
of
our
very
favorite
ways
to
deal
with
this.
The
difference
between
targeted
grazing
and
standard
permitted
grazing
is
permitted.
Grazing
sort
of
has
a
a
use
percent.
You
know
a
use
limit
that
you
can
do
targeted
grazing
is
more.
O
You
start
out
with
a
goal
and
then
figure
out
how
to
achieve
that
using
cattle,
and
so
you
know
you
put
them
on
you
put
them
on
cheatgrass
when
it's
either
in
the
spring,
before
it's
gone,
to
seed
or
in
the
fall
to
chew
up
those
seeds.
O
There's
a
lot
of
science
behind
it,
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
goes
into
it,
they're,
good
programs,
and
so,
if
you
guys,
could
sort
of
work
on
encouraging
that,
especially
on
public
lands.
That
would
help
us
out
a
lot.
O
So
I've
complained
at
you
quite
a
bit,
but
sort
of
I've
got
some
actions
here
that
I'd
like
to
see
you
guys
take
again
more
resources
available
to
county
fire
districts,
they're,
good
firefighters,
doing
good
work,
just
love
to
see
them
be
able
to
do
more,
include
targeted
grazing
within
state
land,
use
plans
and
lobby
for
congress
to
make
more
land
available
for
programs
that
allow
it
there's
been
some
litigation
on
these
programs
recently.
O
But
these
this
litigation's
focused
way
more
on
finer
points
of
administrative
law
not
really
on
the
science
behind
targeted
grazing
targeted
grazing
is
a
really
good
tool,
and
it's
something
that
I
think
that
the
state
should
push
as
something
that's
super
scientifically
sound
make
fire
mitigation,
a
strong
component
of
land
use
plans,
and
when
I
talk
about
land
use
plans
during
any
sort
of
environmental
assessment
process,
they
have
to
go
through.
What's
called
a
consistency.
O
Review
to
make
sure
that
what
they're
doing
either
matches
with
the
land
use
plan
or
articulate
why
what
they're
doing
is
better
than
the
state
land
use
plan,
and
so
it
just
sort
of
gives
the
state
a
better
chance
to
say
look.
This
is
what
we
want
to
see.
You
do
so
explain
why
you're,
not
so
that's
wildfire
rex
touched
on
sage
grouse.
O
The
the
thing
I
really
want
to
add
to
that
is
the
current
efforts
for
this
mineral
withdrawal.
Wouldn't
actually
do
a
bunch
to
help
the
sage
grouse
raven
predation
is
a
huge
threat
to
them.
The
reason
that
that
there's
some
concern
around
mining
is
around
noise
and
noise
pollution
and
how
that's
going
to
affect
the
sage
grouse,
there's
a
lot
of
prime
sage-grouse
habitat
around
mines
and
just
recently,
the
eis
for
the
mountain
home
air
force
base
expansion
basically
expanded.
O
If
you
kind
of
look
at
the
garbage
wilderness
wilderness
up
there
at
the
top,
just
to
the
left
of
that
they
expanded
a
bunch
of
that
to
make
room
for
low-level
fighter
jet
flights,
and
they
came
to
the
conclusion
that
low-flying
jets
aren't
going
to
have
an
impact
on
sage
grouse.
O
Low-Flying
jets
are
much
louder
than
a
mine
a
mile
away,
and
so
it's
not
super
penciling
out
for
me,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
should
take
a
look
at
wild
horses.
Everybody
today
is
going
to
talk
to
you
about
wild
horses,
so
I'm
glad
I
get
to
go
first.
Like
rex
said
on
our
way
down
today
we
actually
passed
some
land
that
hasn't
been
grazed
in
38
years.
That
was
three
years
before
I
was
born
the
last
time
cattle
were
on
this
was
the
year
the
karate
kid
came
out.
O
It
was
the
same
year.
Prince's
purple
rain,
album
came
out.
It's
been
a
while,
since
cattle
have
been
on
this
land,
I
wasn't
able
to
get
it
to
you
guys
because
the
just
within
it
was
after
the
deadline,
but
just
within
the
last
couple
days,
the
bureau
of
land
management,
wild
horse
program
posted
a
picture
of
the
south
part
of
the
ruby
wildlife
refuge
and
on
one
side
is
where
the
wild
horses
have
been
fenced
out
on.
O
O
Most
of
our
blm
offices
have
a
plan
to
get
horses
down
to
appropriate
management
levels
and
then
to
maintain
them
there
using
birth
control
and
other
methods.
They
don't
have
the
funding
congress
just
hasn't,
given
them
the
money
to
do
that
and
there's
a
number
of
plans.
Chief
among
them
is
the
path
forward.
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
encountered
that
there
are
other
plans
if
you
guys,
could
sort
of
look
into
those
and
endorse
them
and
push
congress
to
allocate
enough
funds
to
carry
out
these
plans.
O
O
They
can
push
bighorn
sheep
off
of
their
springs.
They
can
cause
harm
to
sage-grouse.
They
can
sort
of
push
backwards.
A
lot
of
these
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
on
the
range,
if
they're,
not
managed,
and
so
congress
needs
to
make
sure
that
they're
being
managed
and
they're
not
so
kind
of
covered
that
actions
we'd
like
you
to
take
urge
congress
to
adopt
the
path
forward
fund.
O
Those
things
there's
there's
some
interesting
case:
laws,
sort
of
surrounding
the
status
of
wild
horses,
they're
protected
they're,
not
exactly
wildlife,
but
they're,
sort
of
treated
wildlife
like
wildlife
and
there's
some
ambiguity
and
I
think
some
wiggle
room
in
that
case
law
love
to
see
you
guys
kind
of
explore
it
and
see
what
opportunities
there
are
to
sort
of
make
them
more
effectively
managed
I'd
love
to
see
you
guys
direct
endow
to
sort
of
study
and
document
the
effect
of
wild
horses
on
sensitive
species
like
california,
bighorn
sheep,
any
other
species
that
they
run
into,
and
one
thing-
and
this
is
going
to
sound
weird,
and
so
I
want
you
guys
to
understand
that
I
grew
up
at
a
pack
station
and
the
years
that
we
we
packed
people
on
horses
mules
in
the
backcountry
we
adopted
dozens
of
mustangs
trained
them,
use
them
in
the
back
country.
O
I
love
these
animals
really
like
them
and
I
don't
like
to
see
them
hurt
more
than
anybody
else.
There's
a
huge
effort
to
ban
helicopter
roundups
and
nobody
likes
to
see
the
wrecks
that
happen
with
helicopter
roundups.
But
those
racks
are
a
result
of
bad
stockmanship
they're,
not
a
res
they're,
not
because
of
the
helicopters.
O
O
So
I
would
suggest
that,
rather
than
banning
helicopter
roundups,
we
require
pilots
to
just
be
better
stockmen
and
get
some
training
on
how
to
do
that,
and
so
my
suggestion
would
be
for
you
guys
to
oppose
helicopter
bans
but
to
encourage
more
training
of
the
pilots,
because
pilots
just
are
tech
generally
aren't
great
cowboys,
it's
not
what
they
do,
and
so
it's
not
something
that
occurs
to
them.
So
that's
what
I've
got
if
you
guys
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
I'd
also
love
to
extend
an
invitation.
O
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
about
any
of
these,
things
want
to
come
up
and
visit.
Elko
county
pays
me
to
talk
about
this
stuff
and
it's
my
very
favorite
thing
to
talk
about
so
please
come
on
up.
I
would
love
to
show
you
where
the
horses
are
where
the
crickets
are
love,
to
show
you
some
wildfire
stuff.
A
All
right,
thank
you
both
so
much
senator
wilkia.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
senator,
greg
castillo
for
the
record
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
All
right,
you've
got
quite
a
few
crickets
or
reports
of
crickets,
and
at
this
point.
O
So
yes,
early
in
the
season,
people
sort
of
see
things
hopping
and
say
it's
mormon,
crickets
may
or
may
not
end
up
being
some
mormon
cricket
infestations
just
sort
of
wander
off
into
the
wilderness
and
never
cause
any
problems,
but
we're
getting
some
reports.
It's
a
dry
year,
which
means
that
there's
more
likely
to
be
a
hatch
and
it's
been
about
seven
years
since
our
last
really
good
hatch.
So
it's
getting
more
and
more
likely
so
yeah
we're
getting
more
reports.
C
All
right,
and
maybe
some
of
the
again
senator
gregory
for
the
record,
maybe
some
of
the
agencies
coming
back.
I
don't
know
if
you've
got
eas
in
place
in
elko
county
or
if
we
do
here
in
n4,
you
know
for
treatment
of
the
crickets
on
public
lands.
I
think
otherwise
the
state
program
is
pretty
much
has
to
stay
focused
with
the
brand
bait
on
on
private
lines.
Unless
we've
got
an
ea
yeah.
Sorry,
I've.
C
Out
of
humboldt
county,
I
see
I
put
some
tracks
on
892
going
up,
newark,
there's,
there's
some
big
infestations
in
pockets.
I
don't
know
what
this
little
cold
snap
did
to
him,
but
yeah.
I
believe
we
will
see
crickets,
then.
The
other
question
I
have
is
your
fire
protection
program.
What
what
would
you
say
that
cost
you
this
year,
curtis.
O
Moore
for
the
record,
the
wfpp
program
cost
us
about
800
000.
Last
year.
I
can
get
you
more
specific
numbers,
but
yeah.
It
started
off
about
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
I'll
start
with
a
comment,
and
then
I
guess
a
question
I
I
would
love
to
get
get
some
more
resources
to
work
on
crickets
and
and
other
issues
as
well
as
to
cover
some
of
those
needs,
and
so
I
I
would
also
appreciate
any
thoughts
you
have
on
where
we
get
the
revenue
to
do
that
from,
and
that's
not
not
just
a
directly
to
you,
but
in
general
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
different
needs
that
we
have
to
balance
at
the
state.
F
I
know
that
a
lot
of
people
are
interested
in
in
all
the
federal
money
that's
come
in,
but
a
lot
of
it
is
first
of
all,
only
short
term
and
and
then
there's
lots
of
different
restrictions
and
limits
on
it
and
again,
a
lot
of
different
needs
that
are
out
there
in
the
community.
So
that's
what
we
need
help
figuring
out
is
how
to
how
to
find
those
dollars
to
get
to
you.
That's
the
comment.
F
The
question
I
have
is
just
around
targeted
grazing
and
feel
free
to
also
just
provide
some
more
follow-up
information
to
us,
but
I'd
just
like
to
get
a
better
understanding.
I
know
there
you
mentioned
a
little
bit
of
this.
I
know
there's
been
some
some
kind
of
pilot
programs
that
have
been
done,
and
so
I
just
like
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
kind
of
where
things
stand,
and
you
know
whether
it
is
if
it's
you
know,
blm
or
other
agencies,
those
plans
that
needs
to
be
incorporated
into
if
there
needs
to
be.
F
I
know
for
some
things
you
know.
Instead
of
doing
a
project
by
project
impact
assessment,
you
can
do
kind
of
like
a
programmatic
assessment,
so
just
it'd
be
helpful
to
figure
out
kind
of
what's
on
the
horizon.
That
could
help
expand
the
use
of
that
program
that
we
could
then
kind
of
weigh
in
in
support
of.
O
Thank
you,
curtis
moore,
for
the
record
as
far
as
programs
that
are
out
there
just
just
last
year,
or
so,
the
blm
had
put
together
a
program
on
the
wine
cup,
gamble
ranch
and
that's
one
of
the
ones
that
was
very
heavily
litigated
and
again,
based
on
finer
points
of
administrative
law
rather
than
the
science
behind
targeted
grazing.
O
So
they've
got
that
the
forest
service
right
now
is
working,
at
least
in
elko
county.
I
think
on
three
or
four
different
pilot
project
sites
that
are
going
on.
There's
also
a
couple
of
virtual
fencing
projects
that
tie
into
that
that
are
also
sort
of
in
that
same
vein,
and
those
are
happening
as
well.
O
A
couple
years
ago,
the
blm
did
a
programmatic
environmental
assessment
kind
of
looking
at
cutting
in
different
fuel
breaks
in
a
lot
of
different
places
and
in
a
lot
of
these
programmatic
eises
they'll
have
a
hierarchy
of
ways
to
deal
with
cheatgrass
and
other
things,
and
so
we
always
advocate
for
them
to
move
targeted
grazing
up
to
sort
of
a
preferred
level,
rather
than
be
after
herbicides
and
mowing.
O
And
so,
if
that's
something
that
you
guys
could
incorporate
into
that.
I
know
that
the
at
least
the
agencies
in
our
areas
are
starting
to
look
more
at
some
of
their
older
plans,
and
so
I
think,
you're
going
to
see
kind
of
a
lot
of
statewide
planning
initiatives,
and
this
this
would
be
a
good
time
to
move
into
that.
L
N
If
I
could
address
assemblyman
watts,
comment.
N
Oh
never
extended
here
but
assembling
watch.
You
ask
for
suggestions
on
where
you
could
find
the
money
and
curtis
hinted
at
it
earlier,
but
I
would
suggest
you
take
it
from
the
ndf
firefighting.
We
don't
need
them.
We
they
abandoned
us.
In
2015
we
had
we
passed
two
different
taxes
in
elko
county
to
fund
our
own
fire
district,
and
now
we
see
the
ndf
building
back
up
and
showing
up
with
fires
with
fancy
new
trucks
and
all
that.
So
that's
that's
one
idea
to
to
look
at.
I
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair.
Thank
you.
For
being
here.
I
have
a
little
sliver
of
elko
county
now,
thanks
to
redistricting,
so
I'm
honored
to
have
that
wonderful
county.
In
my
district,
mr
moore,
you
made
the
comment
when
we
were
talking
about
wild
horses
as
if
my
math
is
right.
I
think
it's
like
40
years
that
they've
been
given
a
charge.
I
The
blm's
been
given
a
charge
to
get
the
horses
in
in
the
manageable
numbers,
and
here
we
are
40
years
later
and
we're
still
in
the
numbers
are
still
growing,
but
you
mentioned
that
it
it
might
they.
They
do.
Have
some
programs
that
they're
thinking
about
utilizing,
but
it's
funding,
and
I
don't
doubt
that
it,
but
I'm
wondering
if
it's
more
because
to
me
the
the
very
foundational
issue
is
if
the
birth
control
works.
That
would
be
great.
But
where
do
we
put
these
horses
and
that's
what
the
controversy
is?
I
It's
the
elephant
in
the
room
or
the
horse
in
the
room,
and
until
we
can
finally
have
those
discussions
about
what
we
do
with
those
horses,
40
years
is
going
to
become
50
years,
going
to
come,
become
60
years
and
our
ranges
are
going
to
continue
to
be
denuded
and
not
used
for
the
property
that
that
those
landowners
are
entitled
to.
So
I
guess
that's
more
of
a
statement,
but
I
would
ask
you:
is
there
some
other
suggestion,
other
than
funding
that
we
could
utilize
that
we
could
offer?
O
Curtis
moore
for
the
record,
there's
a
number
of
solutions.
The
wild
horse
and
burro
act
is
really
weird.
He
any
other
wildlife
is
sort
of
held
in
trust
by
the
state
for
the
people
of
that
state
and
so
states
have
the
ability
to
deal
with
deal
with
that
wildlife
kind
of
as
they
see
fit
and
as
their
agencies,
who
are
the
experts
in
their
areas,
see
fit.
O
There's
exceptions,
obviously,
like
the
endangered
species
act
and
thing
where,
when
a
species
get
to
a
certain
level,
they
have
federal
protections
and
there's
goals
for
how
to
increase
that
the
wild
horse
and
burro
act
just
sort
of
protects
horses
without
deciding
anything
about
their
ownership
or
about
how
they
should
be
managed
other
than
they
just
need
to
be
at
appropriate
management
level.
O
And
so
you
could
treat
them
like
wildlife
and
try
to
get
congress
to
either
pass
an
amendment
to
that
act.
Giving
states
the
authority
to
manage
them
within
a
certain
range
you
could.
O
However
long
for
you
know,
like
mr
baker
was
talking
about,
he
has
pastures
and
he
turns
out
on
spring
pasture
the
same
one.
Every
three
years.
You
could
move
those
horses
around
and
just
treat
them
like
a
horse
herd.
Like
I
said
I
I
really
like
these
animals
and
they
make
good
horses
if
we
treat
them
like
a
horse
herd
and
try
to
make
them
better
horses.
You
could
do
that,
but
the
wild
horse
and
burro
act
doesn't
do
either
of
those
things.
I
C
A
All
right,
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
our
members,
but
I
want
to
echo
sentiments
thanking
you
guys
for
taking
the
time
out
of
your
day
and
coming
all
the
way
to
ely
to
present
to
us.
This
has
been
informative
and
we
appreciate
your
time
absolutely
so.
Who
else
wants
to
go
before
lunch.
P
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
I'm
jake
tibbetts
and
I'm
the
natural
resource
manager
for
eureka
county
and
so
my
county
commission.
They
call
me
the
filibuster,
so
you
really
gotta,
like
you,
know,
pull
me
in
if,
if
you
have
to,
but
I
promise
I
won't
stand
between
you
and
lunch
for
too
long,
and
then
you
know
kind
of
joking
on
that
there's
a
pretty
substantial
packet.
P
I
provided
that's,
not
my
presentation,
so
that's
a
leave
behind.
It
has
a
lot
of
information
in
there
director
crowl
when
I
walked
in
he
said
he
read
my
dissertation
on
his
drive
out.
You
know
across
the
loneliest
highway,
so
you
know
I'm
not,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
that
unless
you'd
like
me
to
read
it
word
for
word,
it's
20
pages
long,
so
I,
but
I
don't
intend
to
do
that,
but
just
a
little
background
on
myself.
P
First,
I'm
actually
from
eastern
idaho,
I'm
a
farm
and
ranch
kid
from
eastern
idaho
lived
in
nevada
for
14
years
in
eureka
for
almost
14
years
and
I've
started
my
family
in
eureka.
My
on
my
wife's
side
of
the
family.
Excuse
me,
I
I
just
love,
I
love
nevada.
So
much
I
mean
that's
why
you
know
I'm
kind
of
getting
a
little
emotional
about
this,
because
I've
I'm
not
a
native
nevadan,
but
I
love
nevada.
P
I
love
our
public
lands
and
I
love
our
natural
resources
and
I
live
every
day
in
both
my
personal
life
and
my
professional
life
doing
the
best
I
can
for
the
resources
of
the
state
and
the
people
of
the
state,
and
I
think,
neva
and
eureka
county
has
really
built
up
a
model
of
that
sustainable
use
advocating
for
the
use
of
those
resources
in
a
sustainable
way.
So
we
can
ensure
that
our
rural
economies
continue
to
thrive,
and
I
really
live
by
that.
P
Eureka
county
is
very
similar
to
what
you'll
hear
on
many
other
rural
counties,
but
we
may
be
blessed
a
little
more
with
a
few
more
private
acres
and
some
counties
have
so,
I
think
of
lincoln
county
and
commissioner
listers
county.
You
know
where
they
have,
I
think,
less
than
five
percent,
maybe
less
than
two
percent
of
of
private
land
because
of
acts
like
the
desert,
land
act
and
the
carry
act
and
homestead
acts,
and
some
of
these
other
things.
P
People
took
advantage
of
that
a
bit
more
in
eureka
county
and
we
have
13
private
land
and
most
of
our
land
mass
is
managed
by
the
bureau
of
land
management.
I
think
about
79
percent
of
eureka's
land
mass
is,
and
we
do
have
a
portion
of
the
forest
service
as
well.
In
the
packet,
they'll
you'll
see
a
little
map
there,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
read
unless
you
blow
it
up,
but
it
just
gives
you
kind
of
the
perspective.
P
Most
of
our
private
land
does
exist
on
the
north
end
of
eureka
county
and
that's
because
the
the
railway
corridor
goes
through
there
and
if
you
haven't
heard
it
before
that,
created
a
checkerboard
situation
where
every
other
section
of
land
was
granted
to
the
railroad
for
because
they
didn't
know
exactly
where
that
would
go
through,
and
then
it
was
to
support
the
railway
as
it
went
through,
so
that
created
that
20
miles
each
side
of
the
railway.
Our
this
checkerboard
situation,
so
most
of
our
private
land,
is
on
that
I-80
corridor.
P
P
Currently
mining.
If
you
look
at
the
valuation
of
you
know
our
tax
structure
in
the
county,
it's
primarily
in
the
mining
industry,
whether
it's
the
you
know,
the
personal
property,
the
sales
and
use
taxes
or
the
net
proceeds
of
minerals,
tax,
95
or
more
of
that
currently
comes
from
mining,
but
we've
been
through
our
share
of
of
busts.
So
we
have
the
booms
in
the
bus
and
we've
been
through
our
share
of
those
two
where
we
have
to
rely
on
those
base
industries
that
those
renewable
resource
industries,
such
as
our
agriculture
industries.
P
When
we
have
those
best
periods-
and
so
I
often
talk
about
mining
being
the
butter
but
agriculture
being
the
bread-
and
so
it's
nice
to
have
a
little
bit
of
butter
on
your
bread
every
once
in
a
while
but
you're
when
you
when
you
need
it,
you
really
want
that
bread
to
be
able
to
rely
on
an
interesting
statistic
about
eureka.
County
too,
is
that
mining
isn't
just
about
mining
in
this
state.
You
heard
that
earlier,
but
it's
also
about
agriculture.
P
Mining
is
really
closely
related
to
agriculture
for
many
different
reasons.
So
you
heard
about
some
of
the
water
and
there
were
some
questions
about
water
earlier,
where
many
times
the
mines,
water
management,
they're,
dewatering,
the
ground
water
to
be
able
to
access
a
pit
or
a
resource,
that's
under
water,
and
then
they
dispose
of
that
as
the
term,
but
they
use
it
for
agricultural
uses.
So
that's
done
quite
a
bit.
P
It's
called
in
lieu
uses
and
then
there's
also
many
many
agricultural
enterprises
in
the
state
that
have
been
purchased
by
mining
companies
and
the
reason
for
that
there's
multiple
reasons,
but
some
of
it
is
some.
Sometimes
it's
the
water
that
they
need.
Sometimes
it's
needing
a
space
to
put
in
mitigation
measures
that
they're
required
to
do,
whether
it's
for
sage,
grouse
or
other
things,
and
sometimes
it's
just
insulation
from
impacts
to
neighbors.
So
if
they
own
the
land
and
the
resources,
then
they're
only
impacting
themselves.
P
So
with
that
in
eureka
county
that
it's
you
know
last
I
checked
on
our
our
assessor's
numbers
that
it's
about
60
percent
of
all
the
private
land
in
eureka.
County
is
owned
by
a
mining
company
and
if
you
look
at
just
the
land
that
is
considered
agricultural
land,
it
approached
its
more
than
70
percent.
P
P
Temporary
may
be
you
know,
100
years
or
more
mining
has
been
going
on
in
this
state
for
for
a
long
period
of
time,
but
that's
a
resource
that
eventually
will
not
no
longer
be
there
when
it's
mined
and
we
do
get
concerned
about
what
happens
to
those
lands
that
are
under
mining.
That
are
owned
by
mining
companies.
Now,
when
there's
no
longer
a
resource,
they're
mining,
what
do
they
do
with
that?
What
did
they
do
with
the
water
or
the
land
or
the
grazing
privileges
or
whatever
they
have?
P
So
that's
something
we're
planning
for
and
really
working
with
the
mining
industry
to
try
to
address
so
I
I
did
mention
that,
there's
a
packet
again,
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
all
the
individual
issues
that
we
continue
to
work
on.
You
know
typically
can
come
to
these
meetings.
You
hear
the
same
themes.
P
P
How
do
we
find
the
common
ground
among
diverse
interests?
How
do
we
give
communities
that
self-determination
to
to
make
their
own
futures?
And
that's
really,
I
think,
the
important
thing,
so
I
could
take
kick
off
all
the
the
issues
we
work
on.
You've
heard
many
of
them
today,
wild
horses
and
burros
say
create
your
sage.
P
Grouse
threaten
an
endangered
species,
wildfire
grazing
public
lands
access,
land,
restoration,
water-
we
are
you
know,
diamond
valley-
were
the
epicenter
of
of
kind
of
a
poster
child
of
water
mismanagement
in
the
past
and
trying
to
to
grapple
with
that
now,
recreation
we're
seeing
more
and
more
of
that
taking
place,
and
then
this
this
new,
it's
not
a
new
topic,
but
we're
really
seeing
it
more
in
earnest
is
the
renewable
energy
and
the
the
approaches
by
to
create
these
green
link.
Projects
like
nv
energy
is
doing.
P
One
of
those
will
be
right
on
this
highway
50
corridor,
starting
just
west
of
ely
and
connecting
all
the
way
over
to
earrington
following
us.
50-
and
you
know
there
are
concerns
about
opening
some
of
these
great
pristine
public
lands
that
are
multiple
use
lands.
What
are
the
impacts?
Those
current
uses,
you
know,
citing
large-scale
industrial
renew.
You
know
it's
an
industrial,
renewable
energy
when
you're
talking
about
solar,
whatever
it
is,
so
those
are
all
things
that
we
really
are
trying
to
work
on.
P
But
again
I
like
to
cast
them
as
issues
not
as
problems
because
problems
it
gives
gives
some.
You
know
and
infers
that
there's
there's
a
solution,
but
I
think
with
issues
you
know,
there's
always
there's
maybe
middle
ground.
That's
not
the
perfect
solution
for
any
individual
group,
and
so
that's
why
customers
issues
and
it's
something
to
work
toward
towards
common
ground.
P
P
A
lot
of
it
is
it's
like
mr
busselman
spoke
early
on
some
of
the
water
stuff
that
it's
not
necessarily
making
tweaks,
but
it's
using
the
tools
we
have
available
to
us,
whether
it's
water
or
anything
else
and
providing
the
capacity
to
local
communities
to
help
solve
some
of
these
issues.
They're
they're
dealing
with
there,
and
so
that's
what
we
really
want
to
focus
on
is
trying
to
empower
and
bolster
local
communities
to
to
be
able
to
fix
some
of
these
things
at
the
local
level
or
at
least
to
to
create
a
better
situation.
P
So
one
of
the
primary
things
that's
of
great
importance
that
eureka
county
prides
ourselves
on
is.
We
do
have
a
great
relationship
with
our
federal
land
management
agencies.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
disagree
at
times,
because
we
often
disagree,
but
it's
a
great
working
relationship.
We've
built
that
up
over
the
years.
You
know
I
come
from,
like
I
say,
eureka's
kind
of
the
gokuchia
dynasty,
because
pete
was
before
term
limits.
P
Has
that
so
you
know
you
heard
from
mr
moore
other
counties
contract
some
of
that
out,
but
I'd
advocate
for
assisting
counties.
P
But
congress
has
mandated
that
the
federal
agencies-
and
mr
moore
spoke
about
that
too-
that
they
that
they
coordinate
their
work
with
the
state
and
local
governments
and
that
they
strive
for
consistency,
understanding.
You
may
not
always
reach
consistency,
but
it's
the
process
of
getting
together,
striving
for
that,
consistent
with
consistency
with
those
state
and
local
land
use
plans
and
policies
that
really
builds
that
relationship
and
again
european
county
is
very
proud
of
the
relationship
we've
built
with
our
federal
agencies.
P
We
value
that
even
knowing
that
there's
many
times
we
may
disagree,
but
we
know
we
can
work
towards
trying
to
find
consistency
to
the
the
maximum
extent
possible
and
then
some
of
these
other
tools
that
are
available
right
now.
So
some
of
the
main
things
of
controversy
that
we
continue
to
see
surrounds
water,
it
surrounds
access
it,
it
surrounds
management
of
species
like
sage-grouse
and
there's
there's
tools
right
now
to
I
think,
help
address
and
empower
local
communities.
P
So
the
first
thing
is
is
streamline
permitting
so
a
lot
of
the
things
we
try
to
do
on
the
ground
is
you
know
we
have
to
follow
all
the
the
state
and
federal
rules,
but
nepa
the
national
environmental
policy
act
is
a
great
law.
It
provides
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
really
take
a
hard
look
at
those
environmental
impacts,
but
it
should
also
be
a
tool.
P
You
know
to
ensure
you're
doing
the
right
thing,
but
it
shouldn't
take
10
years
to
try
to
get
a
project
done
on
the
ground
and
a
lot
of
these
restoration
projects
that
targeted
grazing
at
the
wine
cup
gamble
a
lot
of
these
things.
They're
people
and
the
agencies
are
trying
to
put
good
work
on
the
ground
or
getting
held
up
from
some
the
way
that
some
of
that's
been
weaponized
and
then
the
the
we
bring
this
up
about
every
interim
to
this
committee,
but
the
water
rights
disputes.
P
That
was,
you
know.
I
think
you
look
at
all
the
intent
of
that.
I
I
believe
the
intent
was
to
get
that
done
shortly
after
the
water
code
was
put
into
place,
and
here
we
are,
you
know,
120
years
later
and
very
few
adjudications
have
taken
place
in
this
state
and
that's
creating
a
tremendous
amount
of
conflict,
because
the
people
that
put
that
water
to
use
back
in
the
late
1800s
early
1900s
and
then
their
predecessors,
people
have
changed.
P
Things
have
changed,
the
landscape
has
changed.
The
water
may
not
be
the
same
that
it
was
back
then,
and
what
happens
is
it's
it?
This
causes
a
lot
of
insecurity
of
where
people
stand
with
their
water
rights.
So
I'm
speaking
about
these
waters
that
that
are
considered
vested
rights
that
were
put
in
place
prior
to
1905
and
most
of
our
surface
water,
if
not
all,
on
the
on
the
blm
land
and
private
lands,
was
put
to
use
prior
to
1905.
P
But
very
few
of
those
have
been
adjudicated.
So
people
have
a
claim
what
they
believe
that
was,
but
they
it's
never
been
through
the
process
to
determine.
This
is
exactly
what
your
right
is
and
we're
facing
that
conflict
right
now
with
the
federal
government
over
the
the
public
water
reserves
that
the
blm
is
claiming.
P
So
we're
in
the
diamond
valley
adjudication
right
now
and
we've
just
got
out
of
three
weeks
of
hearings
and
the
blm
has
claimed
66
springs
in
diamond
valley
as
public
water
reserves,
and
so
but
the
adjudication
is
the
process
to
settle
all
of
that
right.
So
we
are
finally
getting
that
there,
but
I
I
can
cite
you
so
many
examples
of
where,
because
somebody's
water
rights
have
not
been
determined,
meaning
they
haven't
been
adjudicated
that
it
just
breeds
a
whole
bunch
of
conflict.
P
So
every
session
you're
providing
more
and
more
tools
to
the
state
engineer.
You
know
staffing
up
a
drought
planning
section,
maybe
giving
them
some
more
capacity
to
do
various
things,
but
the
legislature,
in
my
opinion,
in
the
county's
opinion,
hasn't
done
much
to
help
stand
up
and
the
adjudication
side
of
things
to
finally
get
that
as
done
once
and
for
all
a
few
years
ago
there
were,
I
think,
some
more
staff
that
were
provided
in
that
adjudication
section.
P
The
state
engineer
honestly
is
doing
all
they
can
to
just
keep
up
what
they're
doing,
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
short-term
investment.
You
know
it
takes
a
long
time
to
get
an
adjudication
done,
but
if
you
were
to
do
that
once
those
waters
are
adjudicated
you're
done
with
it,
and
then
you
know
so
I
think
that
would
be
something
to
be
very
helpful
for
the
legislature
to
do
is
is
provide
that
capacity
to
get
these
vested
water
rights
and
these
public
water
reserves
statewide
adjudicated.
So
we
can
just
move
on
from
that
conflict.
P
I
think
that's
so
important.
The
next
thing
is,
is
we
continue
to
see
some
conflict
crop
up
on
access
on
public
lands
and
again
congress
has
provided
tools
to
to
to
do
that.
The
state
legislature
recognizes
that
in
the
the
nrs
as
well-
and
these
are
those
those
the
rights
to
these
roads
that
exist
on
public
land
and
often
they're
called
rs2477
roads
that
stands
for
revised
statute
2477
and
it
was
a
a
child
of
the
the
mining
law,
1866
general
mining
law,
but
anyways
that
process
is
very
similar.
P
There
is,
you
know,
there's
quiet,
title
processes
and
various
things
that
outlined
to
move
through
that
the
state
actually
provides
a
mandate.
The
legislature
provided
a
mandate
for
the
attorney
general
to
work
with
the
counties
and
the
state
land
use
planning
advisory
council
to
develop
a
protocol
to
finally
put
that
issue
to
rest.
But
it's
again
it's
an
unfunded
mandate.
P
So
getting
that
done
and
behind
us,
everybody
would
know
whose
rights
or
what
and
it
would
help
tremendously
on
land
use
planning
access
whatever
it
is,
so
everybody
would
know
where
we
stand,
I'm
getting
close,
madam
vice
chair,
so
the
the
greater
sage
grouse.
I
do
want
to
hit
on
that
because
you
know
that
is
one
of
those
eternal
projects
that
we'll
continue
to
work
on,
where
I
think
white
pine
county
will
touch
on
it
too,
because
I
looked
at
their
I
cheated
and
looked
at
their
slides
ahead
of
time.
P
But
that
is
one
thing
I
did
want
to
hit
too
is
that
the
state
has
done
a
tremendous
job
in
standing
up
the
sagebrush
ecosystem
council,
the
sagebrush
ecosystem
technical
team
provided
some
capacity
to
develop
that
the
conservation
credit
system.
P
The
last
amendments
the
blm
went
through
were
to
were
to
seek
alignment
with
the
state
plans
there
and
those
resulted
in
the
blm
and
forest
service
land
use
plan
amendments
that
that
really
focused
a
lot
on
working
with
the
states
to
implement
the
state
plans
and
policies
for
greater
sage,
grouse
management.
Now
that's
been
overturned
and
we've
reverted
back
to
a
prior
plan
which
is
considered
the
2015
plans.
It's
all
a
big
tortured
mess,
but
the
legislature.
I
think,
if
you
can
continue
to
provide
the
capacity
for
the
state
to
manage.
That's
a
non-listed
species.
P
P
The
program's
great
it
just
needs
some
help
to
continue
to
move
forward,
and
I
would
hope
that
the
state
would
really
try
to
bring
that
management
as
close
to
home
by
fully
empowering
the
state
plan
and
trying
to
get
the
federal
agencies
to
ensure
alignment
with
the
state
plan
and
and
then
the
last
thing
I'll
touch
on.
We
do
have
charlie
donahue
and
scott
carey,
both
from
state
lands
in
the
room
as
well,
and
I
always
promote
the
state
land
use
planning
advisory
council
as
a
great
resource
and
tool.
Senator
gokuchi
has
served
on
that.
P
At
one
point,
I
think
when
he's
a
county
commissioner,
just
as
a
reminder-
it's
it's
has
a
representative
from
every
county
in
the
state
it's
governor
appointed,
but
it's
based
on
the
the
selections
that
a
county
commission
puts
forward.
So
the
counties
have
a
lot
of
say
in
who
they
want
to
be
on
that
and
it's
a
great
forum
to
vet
these
various
issues.
P
We
can
keep
informed
on
what's
going
on,
but
it's
also
a
way
to
work
with
our
federal
partners,
land
management
agencies,
both
within
state
and
at
the
federal
level,
to
try
to
find
these
this
this
common
ground
I
talk
about-
and
I
think
slupac
is
often
seen
as
or
is
overlooked
as
that
resource
because
of
assemblyman
watts.
Last
session,
we
were
proud
to
add
representation
from
our
tribal
partners
on
there
as
well.
So,
and
then
we
also
naco,
serves
the
national
nevada.
Association
of
county
serves
an
ex-official
role
on
there
as
well.
P
The
final
thing
I'll
talk
about
and
it's
related
to
targeted
grazing
sage,
grouse,
water,
whatever
it
is-
is
focusing
on
outcomes
rather
than
outputs,
and
that's
a
it's
not
an
a
new
term.
It's
been
used
quite
a
bit
in
the
business
world,
but
focusing
on
outcomes
moves
you
away
from
the
you
know.
Managing
towards
these.
P
I
call
them
widgets.
You
know
the
little
things
like
I
use
grazing
as
an
example
where
we
often
our
grazing
permits,
we
often
see
are
very
black
and
white,
where
somebody
can
turn
out
april
15th
with
so
many
cows
and
then
on
a
certain
date.
They
move
there
to
it's
very
structured,
but
because
of
the
changes
in
climate
or
drought
or
whatever,
it
is
sometimes
that
management
doesn't
make
sense
even
on
a
year-to-year
basis.
So
it's
flexibility.
That's
what
outcomes
based
management
is
is
having
the
flexibility
to
make
changes
and
you're
worried
about
the
outcome.
P
What's
on
the
ground
at
the
end,
not
the
output,
which
is,
I
turned
out,
100
head
here,
and
I
came
in
those-
are
the
outputs
you're
focused
on
the
the
the
minutiae
that
doesn't
really.
I
mean
it's
based
on
trying
to
get
results
on
the
ground,
but
sometimes
it
can
actually
work
against
getting
good
results
on
the
ground,
and
so
that's
what,
whether
it's
targeted
grazing
or
wildfire
management
or
sage,
grouse
or
whatever
else
it
should
be,
what
what's
being
done
on
the
ground.
The
results,
the
outcomes
and
that's
where
that
is
you
know
it's.
P
It's
kind
of
a
new
thing
that
that
be
on
not
in
the
resource
world
and
blm
at
the
national
level
and
even
state
in
the
state
and
forest
service
are
doing
a
great
job,
recognizing
that
and
trying
to
get
some
of
this
programmatic,
nepa
and
other
things
done.
So
we
can
really
be
adaptive
and
flexible
and
work
on
those
outcomes,
and
I
think
if
we
can
all
rally
around
that,
you
know,
there's
always
going
to
be
the
the
fringes
that,
but
you
know
it's
the
radical
center
and
I
think
that's
what
the
outcomes
does
is.
P
It
brings
us
all
to
the
center
and
I'm
not
talking
about
the
political
center,
I'm
just
talking
about
finding
the
common
ground
people
from
the
dispersed
interests
that
really
want
to
see
good
results.
On
the
ground
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
right
now
that
our
federal
partners
are
doing
to
focus
on
those
outcomes
and
we
should
do
whatever
we
can
to
support
them
in
that
effort,
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
discuss
any
specific
topic
with
you
or
take
any
questions.
A
C
P
Yes,
jake
tibbetts
for
the
record
thanks
so
and
if
I
can
ever
get
through
a
meeting
without
senator,
could
she
ask
me
a
question?
That's
going
to
be,
but
yes-
and
there
was
a
recent
ea
that
was
actually
published.
So
the
the
usda
athes
manages
that
program
and
there's
there
was
an
ea
that
just
went
out
for
public
comment
period
a
couple
months
ago
and
that
authorizes
so
it
analyzes
the
various
treatments
for
mormon
crickets
and
then
it
empowers
those
treatments
to
take
place.
P
But
it's
still
on
our
local
offices,
the
local
blm
forest
service
that
they
have
to
file
and
have
what's
called
a
pesticide
use
proposal.
So
all
those
they're
considered
pesticides
any
of
that
the
baits
or
whatever
you
use,
and
so
those
have
to
be
approved
and
signed.
And
but
there
is,
there
is
agreement
with
the
blm
and
the
usda
where
those
treatments
on
public
land
can
take
place.
C
P
And
one
more
point
on
that:
jake
tibbetts
again,
you
know.
That's
again,
we
are
we're.
We
have
a
mormon
cricket
program,
we're
working
on
that
and
that
is
somewhere
that,
I
think
can
help.
Is
we
tend
to
have
our
silos,
and
so
you
have
the
department
of
ag
and
federal
agency,
and
I
think
that
you're
talking
about
the
funding
and
the
resources
to
come
to
bear
on
that
there's
a
lot
of
private
land
people
that
would
put
some
skin
in
the
game.
P
P
Jeff
knight
is
an
army
of
one
and
he
gets
some
summer
kids
to
help
him
the
state
entomologist,
and
he
is
it's
a
big
state
and
mormon
creek
there's
billions
of
mormon
crickets
statewide
there's
no
way
they
can
do
it,
but
I
do
think
there
could
be
a
better
coordinated
approach
between
the
state,
the
feds
and
the
counties
and
the
private,
the
local
private
landowners
better.
Managing
those
the
best
treatments
to
do-
and
I
think
I
think
we
could
come
up
with
some
funding
to
do
that.
Just
with
what
we
already
have.
F
Thank
you
madame
vice
chair
thanks,
mr
tibbetts,
for
the
presentation.
I
appreciate
you
giving
us
some
bigger
picture
overview
and
allowing
us
to
digest
the
dissertation
at
our
own
pace.
I
really
don't
have
a
question
in
particular
just
kind
of
comments
and
feedback.
F
I
appreciate
a
lot
of
the
points
you
made
I'll
start
with
the
one
you
just
made,
and
I
think
that
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
try
and
explore
some
of
these
different
partnership
opportunities
in
terms
of
resourcing
these
things
and
having
everybody
contribute
and
put
some
skin
in
the
game.
You
know
I.
I
think
that,
for
example,
with
your
comment
on,
you
know
being
able
to
have
natural
resource
managers
in
in
our
different
local
governments.
F
I
I
agree,
I
think
that's
invaluable
and
I
think,
if
there's
some
way
that
we
can
help
provide
some
incentive
that
can
then
be
matched
to
help,
make
sure
that
that's
a
an
option
and
that
more
local
governments
can
take
advantage
of.
I
think
that's
something
that
that
is
a
really
powerful
possibility,
as
well
as
thinking
about
how
do
we
resource
the
state
division
of
water
resources,
for
example,
to
take
on
adjudications
and
other.
F
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
changes
to
water
law,
but
I
think
there's
a
general
recognition
that
we
need
to
resource
the
the
state
to
do
what
it's
tasked
with
carrying
out
right
now
and
they're
they've
been
stretched,
pretty
thin
and
so
figuring
out.
You
know
a
lot
of
those
those
ways
and
ways
that
we
can
bring
in
the
private
sector
as
well.
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
bringing
some
of
those
concepts
up
and
and
hope
that
we
can
really
get
a
broad
group
of
people
together
to
figure
out
how
we
can
cobble
together,
like
you
said,
federal
state,
local
and
private
support
to
try
and
move
the
needle
on
some
of
these
initiatives,
because
the
the
need
is
is
there
and
it's
quite
large,
particularly
here
in
the
state
of
nevada
and
and
again
here
at
the
state
legislative
level.
You
know,
we've
also
got
education
and
health
care
and
other
things
to
take
on.
F
So
I
think
we
are
going
to
need
a
really
collaborative
approach
in
order
to
to
step
up
the
resources
to
meet
the
the
need
that
we
have
here
in
the
state.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
P
Madam
chairman,
just
one
response
so
again:
jake
tibbetts
for
the
record
and
first
I
want
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
trade
you
out
of
that
bolo
tie.
That's
it's
pretty
nice
that
someone
wants.
P
I
like
that
for
sure,
but
the
you
know
that
thank
you
for
that
and
and
definitely
agree
and
again
I
think
the
knee
jerk
is
often
trying
to
stand
up
a
new
program,
and
I
think
you
know
that
again
dilutes
the
programs
we
already
have,
and
so
that's
I
guess
the
final
thing
I
just
say
in
in
response
to
that
is
looking
at
the
programs
we
have.
I
didn't
even
mention,
like
our
conservation
district
program,
the
boots
on
the
ground.
P
You
know
they're
kind
of
the
unsung
heroes
that
are
very
there's
very
little
known
about
what
they
do,
but
they're
doing
tremendous
work
with
the
limited
resources
they
have
and
they
can
build
those
relationships
to
do
a
lot
of
that
stuff
and
there's
a
lot
of
great
models
of
that.
So
there's
already
some
great
things
in
play
that
I
think
we
could
synergize
and
provide
the
capacity
and
rather
than
trying
to
stand
up
new
programs
to
address
these
things.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
anybody
else.
I
have
a
one
topic
I
wanted
to
touch
on
that
you
mentioned
at
the
beginning
about
reclaiming,
I
think,
reclaiming
would
be
the
right
word:
land,
that's
used
for
mining
in
the
future,
and
I
was
hoping
that
you
could
give
us
a
better
picture
of
how
much
land
that
is
in
eureka.
P
I
couldn't
give
you
the
acreage,
but
eureka
county
is
a
mining
county,
so
the
carlin
trend
at
the
north
end
of
eureka
county
you
know
much
of
that
is
in,
is
in
the
county
sums
in
elko,
and
you
know
we
have
the
cortes
mine,
there's
there's
there's
thousands
of
acres
right,
but
the
you
know:
we've
we've
stood
behind
the
concepts
of
the
smart
from
the
start,
planning
that
the
nature
conservancy
has
been
promoting
that
again
as
chair
of
the
state
land
use
planning
advisory
council
representing
eureka
county
there,
that
we
endorsed
that
concept.
P
That
council
did
as
well
and
that's
the
these
mining
sites.
For
you
know
when
you're
talking
reclamation,
there's
also
the
brownfield
type
uses
for
those.
So
there's
been
millions
and
hundreds
of
millions,
if
not
billions,
of
dollars
spent
to
get
the
power
to
these
sites
and
the
shops
and
the
infrastructure,
and
all
of
that,
so
that's
something.
There's
there's
it's
been
called
the
gold
belt
coalition
or
the
I-80
coalition,
where
they
looked
at
that
in
the
past.
P
In
you
know,
when
these
mines
in
certain
might
maybe
it's
you
don't
want
to
reclaim
them.
You
know
in
some
cases
you
may
not
want
to
reclaim
them
back
to
some
condition
they
were
before,
but
you
may
be
keeping
them
as
an
industrial
site
and
the
citing
some
of
our
renewables
there,
whether
it's
solar,
you
know
or
whatever
resource,
wind
or
whatever
it
is
because
the
often
the
power
grid
is
already
going
to
these
areas,
or
it
always
is
typically
so
reclamation.
It's
multifaceted
in
some
places.
You
may
not
want
that.
P
So
looking
at
that
whole
perspective,
the
i80
corridor
would
be
a
great
location
for
that,
because
it's
there's
a
lot
of
industrial
uses
along
I-80.
You
got
the
again
a
lot
of
the
mining
uses
there
and
those
secondary
land
uses
when
mining
is
done
or
co-locating.
Some
of
these
other
uses
with
mines.
It
just
totally
makes
sense,
rather
than
building
a
new
solar
field
out
in
intact
sagebrush
habitat.
You
know,
so
that's
that's
kind
of
where
we'd
like
to
lean
towards.
P
Jake
davis
again
for
the
record,
so
you
know
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
I'm,
not
going
to
say
it's
a
barrier,
but
I
think
there's
no
incentive
to
do
that.
There
may
be
more
incentives
to
go.
Take
other
land.
P
That
is
has
nothing
on
it
and
turn
it
into
a
new
alternative
or
renewable
energy
site,
and
so
as
and
it
costs
less
so
the
incentives
we
need
to
come
up
with
incentives
to
drive
the
development
to
these
areas
where
it's
conducive,
rather
than
I
hate
to
see
the
continued
fragmentation
of
of
ranges
and
and
grazing
allotments
and
sagebrush
habitat
or
whatever.
It
is,
and
I
think,
there's
there's
smarter
planning
that
needs
to
be
done
on
that
and
part
of
that
key
are
things.
P
The
water
scenario
fits
into
that
because
we
have
many
over
appropriated
and
over
pumped
basins
in
the
state,
using
diamond
valley
as
an
example.
So
the
green
link
north
project,
which
will
come
proposed
to
come
through
and
there's
already
a
major
transmission
line
there
and
there's
26
000
acres
of
private
land
under
irrigation
in
diamond
valley
right
now.
P
Okay
to
if
we
were
to
just
keep
everything
at
the
status
quo
and
balance
diamond
valley
tomorrow
and
those
the
the
circles,
the
pivots
that
you
see
like
mr
baker
spoke
about,
there's
roughly
200
of
those
in
diamond
valley.
So
to
for
every
five
of
those
you
see,
three
of
them
have
to
just
go
away,
so
that's
land
that
is
been
actively
worked
and
irrigated
and
then
the
water
just
it
goes
away.
P
Maybe
those
are
some
opportunities
for
some
of
these
renewable
energy,
siding
on
things
like
that.
So
there's
tremendous
opportunities
and
to
help
maybe
balance
some
of
these
basins
and
moving
to
secondary
land
uses.
We
have
to
do
something
with
those
lands
and
in
some
cases
it's
it
may
be
best
to
move
to
some
of
these
other
industrial
type
uses,
rather
than
just
letting
them
turn
to
weeds
and
rodents.
A
That
thank
you.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me,
melanie
scheible,
for
the
record,
and
it
sounds
like
the
conversation
we've
had
around
recycling
and
plastics
that
it
is
just
cheaper
to
produce
new
plastic
and
to
create
new
stuff
instead
of
recycling.
What
are
recyclable
materials?
It
sounds
like
the
same
thing
with
land
land
that
can
be
reut
reused
for
a
different
purpose.
We
are
instead
leaving
behind
and
going
to
untouched
places
to
develop
new
projects.
A
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I'm
not
seeing
any
other
comments,
so
we
will
conclude
this
part
of
the
agenda.
Thank
you
again.
This
takes
us
to
lunch.
It's
about
12
35
right
now,
we're
going
to
take
about
45
minutes,
so
we'll
meet
back
here
at
1
15..
A
All
right,
we
are
going
to
call
this
meeting
of
the
subcommittee
on
public
lands
back
to
order.
We
don't
need
to
do
another
roll
call
vote.
We
have
all
the
same
members
here
who
are
here
before
lunch,
so
we
are
good
at
least
on
that
front
and
we
are
excited
to
have
at
least
two
more
counties
present
to
us
and
we
will
start
with
ms
whichman
from
nye
county
whenever
you're
ready.
Q
Q
Q
Q
Q
They
have
been
a
wonderful
community
member
and
a
neighbor
they've
been
awesome,
the
whole
time
I've
lived
in
nye
county
and
then
recently
after
terming
out
of
office
after
12
years
of
being
a
county
commissioner,
I
applied
for
and
competed
for
the
job
financial
resources
director
for
nye
county
and
that's
the
position
I'm
in
now
for
a
whole
year.
As
of
the
12th,
the
only
the
only
thing
that
has
made
that
possible
for
me
to
do
with
my
with
the
experience
that
I
have
gleaned
are
the
members
of
your
audience
right
here.
Q
Q
there
were
others
who
put
in
part-time
and
they
had
one,
commissioner
that
was
helping
them
with
everything
else
all
the
way
through
it.
So
that's
how
I
learned
on-the-job
training,
so
I
have
a
few
items
that
I'd
like
to
bring
up
with
you
and
tell
you
about
my
county.
Now,
every
county
in
nevada
is
unique,
as
we
all
know,
and
they
all
have
their
own
bragging
points
and
their
issues,
their
challenges
that
they
have
to
battle
with
and
in
nye
county.
Q
Our
battle
is
two
percent
private
property
in
the
third
largest
county
in
the
united
states,
the
lower
48.
it's
over
18
159
square
miles,
so
even
within
our
county,
every
community
is
absolutely
unique.
It's
absolutely
unique!
Well,
imagine
it
this
way.
They
all
have
their
own
climate
zones,
so
every
community
you
go
to
is
so
far
flung
from
the
last
community
that
your
climate
changes
quite
literally
two
days
ago,
I
got
up
got
into
my
vehicle
to
go
to
work
at
19
degrees.
Q
Q
It's
easier
for
me
to
come
to
ely
than
it
is
to
go
to
perump
it's
four
hours
to
perump.
However,
we
have
several
things
that
are
going
on
in
my
county
that
I've
been
working
on
for
the
last
year,
some
of
them
with
more
results
than
others.
Some
are
I'm
still
working
on
the
biggest
push
throughout
this
last
year
has
been
a
land
spill.
Q
I
was
very
happy
to
see
all
of
these
counties
that
were
listed
in
there
and
what
they
were
going
to
do
for
the
mitigation
for
these
counties,
including
douglas
pershing,
lander
eureka.
All
of
those
counties
were
in
there
when
it
got
to
knight
county.
It
said
no
significant
impact,
so
you
can
imagine
when
I
got
this
job
and
they
turned
me
loose
to
do
this
job.
Q
Q
Now
we
have
now
we
can
boast
about
having
part
of
the
fallon
training
and
testing
range
as
well.
Not
only
that,
but
during
this
last
year
nasa
decided
that
they
wanted
23
000
acres
in
railroad
valley,
which
is
also
my
county,
that
23
thousand
acres
just
happens
to
be
located
right
over
top
of
over
500
active
lithium
claims.
Q
Q
Q
So
they
understand
that
I'm
mouthing
off
and
I've
pointed
that
out
to
them
twice,
but
currently
what's
going
on,
is
we
meet
with
them
once
a
month
and
those
meetings
are
absolutely
a
waste
of
time,
they're
checking
off
a
box
and
that's
all
they're
doing
we
offered
to
them
my
county
offered
to
change
code
to
protect
the
things
that
they
wanted
protected
in
that
23
000
acres
and
here's
the
irony.
The
irony
always
gets
me
one
of
these
days
I'll
write
a
book.
Q
They
have
been
in
the
same
position,
calibrating
their
satellites
with
a
tripod.
They
go
out
every
so
often
they
set
up
a
tripod.
It
has
a
big
dish
on
the
top
of
it.
The
technicians
work
with
setting
it
up
perfectly
and
they
set
this
up
to
calibrate
their
satellites
there's.
They
are
within
150
feet
from
a
working
oil.
Well
and
it's
been
there
since
1993..
Q
So,
what's
the
change
now,
the
only
thing
that
I've
been
able
to
get
out
of
them
is
they
want
to
maintain
the
topography
of
the
playa,
and
I
can
understand
that
they
also
explained
that
they
have
data
that
they
have
collected
since
1993
historical
data,
and
they
want
to
be
able
to
use
that
data
to
measure
the
changes
for
like
climates.
You
know
the
climate
changes
and
the
effects
on
our
atmosphere.
Q
Q
They
were
fearful
of
the
evaporative
process
of
extracting
lithium
and
with
conversations
with
all
three
of
the
claim
holders
out
there.
There
are
so
many
new
technologies
available
that
evaporative
ponds
for
lithium
extraction
is
just
it's
not
doable
any
longer.
They
have
more
economically
they've
got
a
more
economic
way
to
do
that
extraction
and
it
doesn't
change
the
topography.
So
that
is
one
of
my
frustrations
that
I
doubt
if
you
can,
if
there's
anything
you
can
do
to
help.
Q
Q
Q
So
it
was,
it
left
a
nasty
taste
there,
but
all
of
that
set
aside
I've
taken
the
last
year,
I've
consulted
with
the
tribal
governments.
I've
consulted
with
the
friends
of
the
nevada
wilderness.
I've
been
to
every
county
and
presented
what
we're
wanting
to
do.
We
took
all
of
the
past
attempts
that
had
ever
been
made
in
ny
county
or
suggested
and
put
them
all
together
as
a
land
package.
Q
Along
with
that
is
the
cumulative
impacts
of
the
military
and
the
department
of
energy
on
nike
county
over
the
last
well.
It
was
a
congressionally
ordered
report
that
was
done
in
1991,
and
we
have
asked
for
them
to
update
that.
We
have,
through
our
staff
and
our
efforts.
We
have
updated
that
as
much
as
we
can
just
looking
at
the
inflation
rates
and
and
what
we're
look.
But
this
is
a
projection
and
that
I
want
the
naval
air,
the
naval,
air
defense,
the
guys
in
fallon.
Q
I
want
them
to
recognize
that
I
want
nellis
to
recognize
that
nasa
to
recognize
that
and
anyone
else
from
the
department
of
interior
or
the
department
of
energy
when
they
take
things
out
of
multiple
use
for
nye
county.
They
are
restricting
our
ability
to
move
forward.
As
I
said.
Currently,
we
have
private
property
that
pays
ad
valorem
taxes.
Q
Q
Q
You
know
what
do
they
bring
to
a
community
and
there's
very
little
of
that
that
can
be
studied
and
measured.
You
have
to
make
assumptions
that
absolutely
everybody
argues
about.
It's
there's
nothing
there.
That
can
be
a
consensus,
so
I'm
extremely
excited
to
learn
that
the
nevada,
off-road
vehicle
organization
is
working
on
trying
to
put
some
of
that
together,
so
that
we
have
something
that's
more
of
a
scientific
based
study
and
we'll
learn
more
about
that
in
the
future.
I
guess
so
just
encourage
your
nevada
off-road
groups
during
all
of
this
as
well.
Q
Q
If
I
had
an
ask
of
this
group,
if
I
could
say,
would
you
please
do
something
for
me,
this
is
what
it
would
be
if
the
nevada
public
utilities
commission
would
simply
put
a
statement
up
on
their
website
when
it
first
comes
up.
When
people
go
in
there
to
look
about,
you
know
how
do
I
fill
out
an
application
to
take
nine
thousand
acres
out
of
the
middle
of
amargosa
valley
and
put
up
solar
if
there
was
a
statement
in
there?
Q
Q
Q
Since
I've
been
on
board,
we
pulled
the
nevada
division
of
forestry
in
the
tonopah
conservation
district,
the
the
title
ii
funding
rack,
the
secure
rural
schools,
resource
advisory
council
has
contributed
money
with
the
u.s
forest
service
and
the
bureau
of
land
management,
and
we
are
all
working
to
get
together
to
do
a
fire
fuel
reduction
program
in
one
of
our
mountain
towns
and
it's
working
out
really
well.
Q
Q
In
short,
I'm
very
impatient
so
short
periods
of
time
to
get
some
success
is
exactly
what
I
look
for,
but
we
have
had
some
success
with
that.
Already
we
started
that
project
when
I
came
on
in
april
of
last
year,
and
we've
already
got
some
stuff
moving
and
the
ndf
is
up
there,
cleaning
private
property.
Q
So
this
has
worked
really
well
with
that
networking
with
these
other
agencies
and
the
other,
the
prior
speakers
that
we're
talking
and
encouraging
those
partnerships.
Oh
my
god!
Yes
do
that!
You
have
no
idea
who
you're
who
can
help
you
who
has
common
interests
and
where
all
those
little
bits
and
pieces
of
funding
that
you
get
can
add
up
and
our
property
owners
in
belmont
are
not
going
to
have
to
pay
for
having
their
own
their
own
property
cleaned
up.
So
I'm
extremely
proud
of
that
project.
Q
I've
told
you
about
the
land
spill.
Any
support
that
you
could
offer
us
on
the
econom,
the
nye
county,
economic
and
conservation
lands
bill
is
being
sent
in
the
first
of
next
week.
It'll
go
to
the
delegation
that
lands
bill
has
more
support
from
all
of
the
stakeholders
and
the
communities
than
any
other
lands
bill.
That's
ever
touched
nye
county
and
I'm
really
proud
of
that
as
well,
and
it
is
the
only
place
that
I
am
able
to
get
something
into
legislation
that
says
recognize
my
county.
Q
There
is
a
significant
impact
and
it's
pointed
out
in
there
I
told
you
about
the
solar
apps.
I
told
you
about
nasa.
I
told
you
about
belmont.
Q
A
K
You
mountain
bike,
chair.
Thank
you
for
presentation.
I
appreciate
your
service
to
knight
county.
My
commission
district
butts
up
against
nye
county.
I
have
rough
hat
clark,
county
and
yellow
pine
in
my
district,
and
I
know
the
opposition
that
the
knight
county
commission
has
made
to
rough
at
nye
county,
so
49
projects
you're
tracking
their.
Q
What
we
have
done
to
try
to
to
put
it
out
there.
So
the
industries
are
getting
some
of
this
information
because
you
can't
depend
on
you
can't
depend
on
those
individuals
being
able
to
find
all
the
what's
going
to
be
required
on
the
state
level.
What's
going
to
be
required
on
a
county
level,
what's
going
to
be
required
on
a
federal
level,
that's
not
what
they
put
first.
Q
Q
If
those
agencies
could
put
it
up
on
the
website
that
this
is
your
challenge
in
this
area,
if
this
is
what
you're
applying
for,
if
the
puc
would
put
that
on
their
first
page,
the
first
thing
that
pops
up,
when
you
see
their
their
first
page,
come
up
you
their
website
comes
up
if
they
had
a
notice
on
there
that
if
this
is
what
you're
interested
in
solar
arrays
in
thy
county,
here's
your
challenges
call
the
county.
First
they'll
help
you
those
those
kind
of
notices
would
be
very
helpful,
but
I
swear
the
only
thing.
Q
K
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
that
response.
This
is
not
a
question
but
I'll
just
put
my
beef
on
the
record
here,
I'm
100
supporter
of
renewable
energy.
I
just
like
for
these
projects
that
are
being
cited
in
our
state
to
actually
go
to
our
state,
as
opposed
to
just
being
sold
off
through
power
purchase
agreements
to
the
state
of
california.
K
So
my
other
question
is,
I
know
how
disposal
of
public
lands
is
done
in
clark
county.
I
understand
that
nye
county,
as
with
many
other
rural
counties,
have
an
even
larger
proportion
of
their
lands
in
federal
government
hands.
Can
you
just
give
me
a
little
primer
on
disposal
of
of
blm
lands
in
in
night
county.
Q
Yes,
lorinda
wickman
for
the
record
again,
we
have.
I
work
with
actually
three
nye
county
is
fast
enough
that
there
are
three
separate
four
separate
management
resource
management
plans
that
we
are
dictated
our
guidance
for
working
with
the
federal
agencies.
We
share
the
1998
resource
management
plan
with
clark
county.
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
E
Good
afternoon
yeah,
I
almost
said
good
morning
good
afternoon,
madame
vice
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
record,
my
name
is
lori
carson
and
I'm
a
white
pine
county.
Commissioner
joining
me,
I
have
the
pleasure
of
introducing
our
natural
resource
consultant,
jeremy
drew
principal
resource
concept
inc
and,
on
behalf
of
the
county,
I
sincerely
want
to
welcome
you
and
thank
you
for
having
your
committee
meeting
here
before
we
get
started
with
our
powerpoint.
I
wanted
to
give
a
brief,
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
county
itself
and
I
apologize.
E
E
That's
what
probably
isn't
politically
correct.
Some
new
members
to
the
committee.
Okay,
so
white
pine
county
was
established
by
nevada
legislature
in
1869,
separated
from
lander
county
from
our
2020
census.
White
pine
has
a
population
of
around
10
400,
with
approximately
4
200
living
in
the
city
of
ely,
which
also
is
our
county
seat.
The
alicia
indian
reservation
is
on
the
south
side
of
ely
with
an
approximate
land
area
of
105
acres.
E
Our
outlying
communities
include
the
towns
of
mcgill,
ruth
and
lund,
baker.
Cherry
creek
and
preston
are
in
unincorporated
areas.
Our
county
has
a
total
area
of
897
square
miles.
Public
lands
comprise
95.7
percent
of
the
county.
Within
that
percentage
is
approximately
500
000
acres
of
designated
wilderness
in
august
of
2011.
E
We
were
fortunate
to
have
a
ribbon
cutting
in
spring
valley
for
the
only
wind
farm
in
nevada.
We
are
home
to
the
ward,
charcoal
oven,
state
historical
park
and
cave
lake
state
park
and
roughly
60
miles.
Southeast
of
ely
is
great
basin
national
park
home
to
lehman
caves
and
wheeler
peak
nevada's,
tallest
independent
mountain
at
thirteen
thousand
six
hundred
and
six
six,
I'm
sorry.
Thirteen
thousand
sixty
five
feet.
White
pine
is
also
home
to
the
ely
state
prison,
a
maximum
security
prison
and
the
location
of
nevada's
death
row
for
men
and
the
state
execution
chamber.
E
E
We
talked
a
lot
about
lithium
with
that,
but
they
also
do
copper
and
then
we
also
have
ken
ross
bald
mountain
mine,
and
it
is
a
large
gold
mine
located
in
white
pine,
but
it
is
closer
to
elko.
E
So
I
went
from
owning
a
small
insurance
construction
company
where
we
handled
anything
that
was
covered
by
the
insurance
company.
That's
what
we
did
and
then,
after
that
we
had
the
hay
farm,
and
I
was
approached
in
2006
to
run
for
a
county
commission
and
I
was
elected
in
2007
and
so
far
I
guess
they've
been
happy
with
the
job
that
I've
been
doing.
So
I'm
very
proud
and
humbled
by
that.
So
I
have
the
unique.
E
R
All
right
well,
madam
chair
and
committee
members,
thanks
again
for
being
in
beautiful
white
pine
county
in
ely.
Today
I
hope
the
drive
out
was
safe
and
beautiful
as
it
was
for
me
for
your
record.
My
name
is
jeremy,
drew
I'm
a
principal
resource
specialist
with
resource
concepts
out
of
carson
city,
but
we
work
statewide.
R
We're
certainly
proud
to
represent
white
pine
county
on
public
land
and
natural
resource
issues,
as
a
native
nevadan,
who
grew
up,
enjoying
and
taking
advantage
of
public
lands
and
natural
resources
and
ultimately
giving
back
and
helping
to
conserve
those
and
now
being
able
to
share
those
opportunities
with
my
kids.
This,
quite
frankly,
is
kind
of
a
dream
job
for
me.
So
we
appreciate
being
able
to
be
out
here
with
folks,
like
ms
carson
and
the
previous
presenter,
who
are
all
mentors
to
me.
R
as
we'll
touch
on
it's
in
need
of
a
couple
of
minor
focused
updates,
but
that
really
has
been
fantastic
from
the
county's
perspective
of
guiding
our
comments,
whether
it's
a
programmatic
or
a
project
level
issue
that
we're
working
on
and
chairman
we're
going
to
do
our
best
or
chairwoman
to
swap
back
and
forth
and
keep
you
all
awake
after
lunch.
So
I
apologize
you'll
know
our
names
well
by
the
end
of
the
presentation.
E
E
E
As
it
says
here
we
are
in
the
process
of
having
four
transmission
lines
in
white
pine
county.
There
is
one
existing
one
that
is
the
online,
which
is
also
at
one
time
used
to
be
called
the
swip
south.
E
From
the
ely
north
and
that
is
coming
down
from
idaho
and
then
we're
also
going
to
have
the
trans-canyon
crosstie
project,
which
will
be
coming
across
from
utah
fillmore
utah,
and
it
is
supposed
to
be
able
to
strengthen
the
connection
between
pacificorp
and
nv
energy.
That
no
excuse
me.
The
notice
of
intent
is
expected
this
month,
and
then
we
also
as
you've
heard,
we
have
the
green
link
from
ely
west.
E
The
nepa
is
pending
and
green
link
will
travel
from
ely
to
yearington,
and
that
was
the
one
that
has
been
talked
about.
That
will
be
following
the
15
or
50
state
route
so
and
that
notice
of
intent
has
been
pushed
back
until
may.
E
E
E
There's
been
a
lot
of
interest,
I'll
call
it
that
interest
concerns
it's
been
around
for
a
number
of
years
now
and
it
they're
going
through
the
ferc
process
that
which
is
the
federal
energy
regulation
committee,
and
so
we
are
a
cooperating
agency
with
that,
the
pump
storage
is
going
to
be
a
closed
storage.
E
E
With
a
surface
area
of
65
acres,
there
will
be
a
lower
reservoir
with
a
surface
acre
of
85
and
the
embankment
height
on
that
will
be
123
and
the
active
storage
volume
of
this
will
be
four
thousand
one
hundred
and
seven
acre
feet.
So
there's
a
concern.
We,
the
county,
did
go
ahead
and
lease
slash
some
water
rights,
which
we
have
in
steptoe
valley,
which
at
least
it
is
putting
it
dependable,
beneficial
use,
but
they
have
a
long
ways
to
go.
Yet
they
are
in
process,
they
have
their
draft
application.
In
now
and.
E
For
their
the
the
amount
that
they
will
be
allowed
to
pump,
the
maximum
amount
will
be
eight
thousand
six
hundred
and
eighty
eight
acre
feet
and
the
where
this
is
going
to
be
a
it's
kind
of
hard
to
explain
with
that,
I
should
probably
should
have
had
a
picture.
The
tunnels
where
this
will
be
closed
will
be
20
feet
in
diameter
now,
which
probably
helps
so
far,
is
the
view
shed.
That's
one
thing
that
our
community
is
very
concerned
about,
because
this
100
in
and
23
embankment
height.
E
E
So
and
with
that,
we
also
have
and
I'm
reading
off
of
some
of
blm's
handouts,
so
I'm
cutting
in
probably
some
of
their
information
for
there's
a
total
of
10
new
applications
for
both
solar
and
wind.
R
That
the
record
jeremy
drew
just
quickly
a
visual
representation,
and
this
is
actually
out
of
the
ely
rmp.
So
you
can
see
how
the
four
corridors
that
commissioner
carson
just
talked
about
intersects
squarely
at
the
robinson
substation,
so
for
the
those
of
you
going
west
on
the
way
home.
When
you
see
the
sign
for
robison
summit,
it's
just
south
of
the
highway
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
bullseye
in
terms
of
the
crosshair
for
transmission.
R
So
we
fully
anticipate
that
we
will
have-
maybe
hopefully
not
48
applications,
but
I
know
there's
already
10
applications
for
wind
and
solar
along
that
east-west
corridor,
and
that's
certainly
something
that's
going
to
keep
us
busy.
One
thing
that
we're
talking
about
in
the
county
is
updating
our
public
land
policy
plan
because
when
it
was
adopted
as
far
back
as
2016,
we
didn't
have
a
renewable
energy
section.
So
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
do
locally
to
try
and
start
getting
in
front
of
the
renewable
energy
application,
crush
that
we're
anticipating.
E
Lori
carson
for
the
record,
the
as
it
has
been
spoken
before
about
blm's
range,
wide
planning,
effort
underway
range-wide,
which
means
all
western
states
that
have
sage
grouse.
Basically,
I
like
to,
I
will
use
mr
tibbetts
comment.
I
was
impressed
with
that
when
he
called
it
a
tortured
mess.
E
That's
about
all
that
I'm
going
to
say
about
that
mr
drew
is
going
to
go
ahead
and
talk
about
some
of
the
inconsistencies
and
we'll
be
putting
up
a
map.
R
And
if
you
look
across
the
county,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
places
that
don't
have
some
sort
of
sage,
grouse,
habitat
mapped
one
way
or
the
other,
and
that's
just
one
other
use.
So
we've
got
to
figure
the
sage
grouse
thing
out,
because
it
is
going
to
dictate
a
lot
of
what
happens
on
public
lands
and
multiple
uses
out
here
and
when
it
comes
to
renewable
energy.
Quite
frankly,
if
we
don't
get
our
planning
right,
we're
going
to
have
a
wreck.
R
For
your
record,
madam
chair
jeremy
drew
wild
horses.
We've
already
touched
on
a
bit
just
to
say
that
the
county
obviously
supports
wild
horses
here.
It
is
a
value
of
this
community
and
of
our
visitors,
but
the
recent
levels
that
we've
talked
about
prior
are
not
sustainable,
particularly
with
the
drought
conditions,
and
the
county
fully
supports
what
the
blm
and
the
forest
service
locally
are
trying
to
do.
They're
doing
a
fantastic
job,
every
herd
area
or
herd
management
area
in
this
county
has
the
nepa
done
to
get
the
gathers
done
that
need
to
happen.
R
What
we're
running
into
is
a
competition
for
funding,
because
it's
such
a
dire
situation
throughout
the
state.
So
we
fully
support
congressional
appropriations
to
get
the
gathers
done
on
an
accelerated
level,
as
this
map
will
show,
we
have
portions
of
three
herd
management
areas
within
the
county,
the
antelope
to
the
north
currently-
and
this
is
numbers
that
were
provided
by
blm-
that
I
got
yesterday
and
I
can
forward
to
the
committee.
Currently
the
antelope
complex
is
438
percent
above
high
appropriate
management
level.
R
R
I
won't
go
into
the
details
as
to
all
the
the
problems
associated
with
this,
but
I
will
give
a
hopefully
a
fun
homework
assignment
and
we've
provided
a
web
link
for
a
good
video
that
was
produced
with
a
lot
of
footage
coming
out
of
white
pine
county,
and
so
when
you
get
home
and
want
to
relax
with
a
cold
beverage
this
evening,
please
check
out
the
video.
If
you
haven't
learned
enough
already
today,.
E
Lori
carson
for
the
record,
I
did
want
to
add
one
little
comment
in
regards
to
this.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
there
was
a
letter
that
was
written
by
the
coalition
for
nevada's
wildlife,
and
I
want
you
to
know
that
we
do
support
that
and
that
is
regarding
hr
6635,
and
this
was
the
one
that
they
talked
about
earlier
in
the
presentations
regarding
the
helicopter
gathers.
E
So
I
just
I
I
don't
want
to
take
anything
away
and
make
it
any
harder
for
our
federal
entities
to
be
able
to
do
what
the
what
has
been
set
out
for
them
to
do
with
the
act.
E
R
For
the
record
jeremy
drew
well,
water
has
been
a
topic
of
conversation.
Obviously
I
would
just
note
that,
with
the
withdrawal
of
the
municipal
applications
from
snwa
that
was
brought
up
earlier,
it's
actually
allowed
a
lot
of
county
projects
to
move
forward.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
water
applications
in
line
for
20
30
in
some
case,
more
more
years
that
have
actually
freed
up
and
recently
got
permits,
so
we're
seeing
some
more
of
that
water
being
put
to
use
here
locally.
R
We
pull
the
state
engineer
report
and
look
over
all
the
applications,
so
we
know
if
there's
something
that
we
need
to
address
through
protest
or
comment,
or
otherwise,
here's
just
a
quick
slide
to
give
you
a
geographic
context
of
the
pine
valley
project,
the
red
cross
hairs.
There
are
all
well
sites
that
would
be
pumping
out
of
pine
valley
and
beaver
county
and
that
water
would
be
heading
south
into
iron
county
and
into
cedar
city,
as
mr
baker
said
earlier.
R
This
has
caused
us
a
concern
because
of
the
drawdown,
specifically
with
the
potential
impacts
to
the
adjacent
valley,
which
is
snake
valley
that
straddles
both
the
nevada
and
the
utah
lines.
You'll
see
some
of
the
lines
on
this
map,
which
we
don't
necessarily
agree
with.
This
is
kind
of
the
stated
area
of
drawdown
or
concern
that
was
represented
in
the
eis.
R
We
believe
that
is
actually
much
larger.
They
built
a
child
model
with
a
regional
model
and
again
not
to
get
in
too
much
depth
the
model
that
they
based
all
this
on,
conveniently
cut
off
right
at
the
state
line,
and
so
obviously
we
have
some
concerns
to
that.
Just
given
the
relation
with
basins
within
white
pine
county
and,
obviously
the
proximity
with
great
basin
national
park,
as
well
as
folks
like
the
baker's
ranches.
R
Just
to
round
out
watershed
restoration
as
it
relates
to
wildfire
and
fuels
reduction,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
work
with
a
lot
of
blm
and
forest
service
districts
throughout
the
state
and
in
some
cases
out
of
state.
I
will
tell
you
firsthand
that
ely
and
white
pine
county
are
tremendously
lucky
to
have
a
very
proactive
forest
service
here,
as
well
as
a
blm.
R
So
just
what
something
like
this
will
look
like
on
paper.
So
those
of
you
traveling
back
to
vegas
this
evening
or
tomorrow
morning,
as
you
turn
at
majors
junction
you'll
notice,
there's
a
large
planned
restoration
and
treatment
unit,
and
what
that
might
look
like
the
next
time
you
come
to
ely
is
something
like
south
stepto
valley
looks
like
some
folks
will
see
these
plans
and
the
acreages
associated
with
them
and
fear
that
we're
doing
a
clear-cut
or
a
complete
removal.
That
is
not
the
case.
R
The
blm
and
forest
service
are
very
good
at
treating
in
a
mosaic
pattern
to
make
sure
resources
are
balanced.
Cultural
resources
are
protected
or
avoided,
and
it's
really
mimicking
what
a
natural
fire
regime
might
look
like.
It's
just
a
fire
surrogate.
So
again,
the
county
is
very
supportive
one
more
video
link
for
you.
We
did
a
series
of
videos
over
the
summer
kind
of
background
on
why
this
is
needed
throughout
the
state
or
at
least
where
the
opinion
in
juniper
woodlands
are
so
just
a
plug
for
a
couple
more
videos.
R
E
E
They
attend
our
natural
resource
meetings
and
and
give
us
updates
if
they
and
and
are
readily
willing
to
go
ahead
and
answer
any
questions
that
our
board,
our
advisory
board
has
they're
extremely
proactive
when
regards
to
full
reduction
fuels
reduction.
E
Both
blm
and
forest
service
are
working
together
to
go
ahead
and
make
our
county
safer
in
regards
to
fire
and,
and
they
also
when
they
go
ahead,
and
they
cut
up
and
and
thin
the
wood.
They
will
stack
it
by
the
road
so
that
our
our
our
community
can
go
easily
and
have
access
to
that
firewood,
which
is
a
huge
help.
E
Personally,
I
appreciate
this.
I,
since
I
have
lived
in
ely
I've
not
yet
to
live
on
a
road
that
isn't
dirt
for
no
less
than
a
mile.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
I
do
have
a
lot
of
the
natural
resource
around
me.
Fire
is
very
costly
to
the
land,
the
wildlife,
let
alone
monetarily.
So
we
support
our
federal
and
our
state
entities
and
their
efforts.
R
Jeremy
drew
for
your
record
just
to
wrap
up
on
a
couple
of
other
issues
and
themes
that
kind
of
tie
across
all
of
these
categories.
For
us
in
white
pine,
county
access
is
really
of
paramount
importance.
Whether
it's
for
recreation
or
supporting
multiple
use
access
is
almost
the
first
thing.
I
comment
on
whether
it's
a
renewable
energy
project
or
some
other
programmatic
issue
or
program.
R
We
talked
earlier
about
the
two
key
expansions
going
on
at
the
mines,
both
robeson
and
bald
mountain,
the
counties
involved.
In
those
we
talked
about
some
of
the
special
land
withdrawals
and
designations.
While
the
nasa
proposal
that
ms
wickman
spoke
of
isn't
in
white
pine
county,
we
are
the
closest
population
center,
so
that
has
a
socio-economic
effect.
R
I
think,
in
all
of
our
points
today,
local
governments
need
to
be
involved,
and
I
think
you've
you've
seen
that
and
there's
some
phenomenal
local
government
resources
that
I
would
encourage
not
only
the
federal
agencies,
but
you
all
to
work
with
when
you
need
ideas
and
again,
I
can't
thank
you
enough
from
my
perspective
from
being
here
today
and
being
boots
on
the
ground
in
this
community.
Thank
you.
E
And
I
just
I
want
to
add
a
as
a
personal
note
too
coming
where
I
lived
in
las
vegas
for
such
a
long
time,
and
I
always
enjoyed
the
outdoor
recreation
going
to
lake
mead,
whether
we
were
fishing
or
boating
going
to
mount
charleston,
whether
we
were
camping
or
hiking,
and
then
when
I
was
16,
I
went
on
my
first
hunting
trip
out
deer
hunting
up
in
outside
of
austin
nevada,
but
not
one
time
did.
I
ever
think
I
have
access
to
public
land
and
what
I
never
I
mean
public
land.
E
I
mean
I
was
not
familiar
with
the
term
and
so
that
what
the
importance,
what
did
that
really
mean
to
be
able
to
do
what
we
do,
and
so
it
wasn't
until
I
I
started
living
my
life
up
here
and
then
becoming
a
commission,
a
commissioner
and
the
absolute
need,
whether
it's
for
recreation.
It
enforces
the
lifestyle
it.
It
is
a
key
to
our
tourism
and
our
economic
development,
and
so
this
is
something
that
we
watch
closely
and
and
truly
care
about.
E
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
senator
gregoitia
for
the
record,
the
the
pan
project
out
there.
I
calibrate,
I
think,
they've
changed
their
name
too.
Now
they've
got
a
new
expansion,
I
don't
see
you
have
it
listed
in
there.
I
think
they
call
it
gold
rock,
that
is
in
white,
pine
county.
A
All
right
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
I
have
a
very
important
question
for
the
committee
this
evening.
If
we
were
to
have
dinner
in
ely,
where
should
we
go.
A
E
Day
I
I've
noticed
there.
It
depends
on
what
you
want.
We
have
mr
g's,
which
actually
has
really
become
very
popular,
and
I've
heard
that
their
food
is
is
very
good.
We
do
have
the
jail
house,
which
is,
is
kind
of
a
steakhouse
across
the
street.
I
have
not
eaten
there
many
times
you
would
be
surprised.
I
don't
go
out
to
eat
much
most
of
the
time
when
we
had
the
ranch,
I
lived
more
than
30
miles
or
approximately
30
miles
out
of
town.
E
Now
I
only
live
about
six,
so
I
can
go
home
to
lunch.
So
so
I
I
didn't
eat
in
town
very
often
there's
for
a
more
casual
and
the
food
is
absolutely
excellent
and
you
can
get
some
libation,
which
you
also
can
do
at
mr
g's.
You
can
go
to
racks,
it
is
a
local,
it
is
a
local
hangout
and-
and
it's
it's
it's,
oh
I'm
trying
to
think
to
be
it's.
A
You
it's
nice,
thank
you
so
much,
and
that
was
partially
ingest,
but
we
actually
will
take
your
suggestions.
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
thank
you
again
for
your
time
here
and
your
presentation.
A
I
I
actually
forgot
that
I
had
a
more
serious
question
to
ask
you
as
well,
and
I
did
want
to
ask
about
those
the
multiple
wild
horse.
What
do
you
call
them
herds?
R
For
the
record,
jeremy
drew
and
thank
you
chairwoman
for
the
the
question,
so
those
particular
herd
management
areas
were
designated.
I
believe-
and
jared
can
correct
me
when
he
comes
up
but
by
the
blm
resource
management
plan
and
I
believe
they
actually
combined.
They
used
to
be
heard
areas
when
they
were
originally
designated
when
the
wild
horse
and
burro
act
went
in.
R
A
R
R
Technically,
if
the
horses
move
outside
of
those
areas
that
are
supposed
to
be
removed-
and
I
think
the
act
says
immediately,
that
certainly
has
not
happened
and
we
have
had
cases
again.
This
tends
to
happen
a
little
bit
more
on
the
lincoln
county
side,
more
where
horses
that
aren't
in
a
designated
hma
but
are
having
a
robust
population
expansion,
end
up
on
highways
and
everything
else
and
a
lot
of
times.
It
gets
to
a
case
where
it's
a
safety
concern
and
there's
an
emergency
gather
that
happens.
A
Got
it
thank
you
for
clarifying
that?
Oh
we'll
go
to
assemblymember
watts
first
and
then
back
to
senator
wikitia.
F
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
for
all
the
work
that
you're
doing
also
thank
you,
mr
drew
for
your
service
to
the
state
as
a
member
of
the
wildlife
commission
in
the
past.
One
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
bring
up
really
quick
was
just
to
go
back
to
water
and
in
the
same
vein
as
commissioner
jones
putting
beefs
on
the
record.
You
know
just
really
want
to.
F
You
know
emphasize
that
in
the
past,
when
there
were
concerns
about
projects
in
basins
kind
of
straddling
the
nevada
utah
border
utah,
I
thought
was
very
diligent.
We
had,
of
course,
the
past
lincoln
county
land
bill
that
required
both
states
to
sign
off
on
on
projects
that
would
impact
those
basins
and
ultimately,
they
did
not
sign
off
on
some
of
those
projects
that
would
have
impacted
state
snake
valley
and,
to
your
point,
around
some
of
the
modeling
just
arbitrarily
cutting
off
at
state
lines.
F
I
think
it's
important
that
our
neighbors
to
the
east
follow
the
kind
of
that
same
approach
as
they
look
at
developing
their
water
resources
along
that
along
that
border
and
that
there
should
be
some
consultation
and
sign
off
from
nevada
before
they
would
pursue
those
projects.
So
I'm
just
putting
my
two
cents
on
that
on
the
record.
C
Thank
you
madame
last
year
and
senator
gregory
cheer
for
the
record,
I'm
going
to
move
back
to
the
wild
horses
again
and
again.
That
was
my
statement.
You
know
when
elko
county
was
up
during
their
presentation
comply
with
the
act.
Clearly,
the
act
was
as
defined
with
the
passage
of
the
wild
horse
and
burrow
act.
It
said
you
will
establish
hmas,
which
is
hurt
management
areas.
R
J
E
Laurie
carson
for
for
the
record,
let
me
disclose.
I
do
not
eat
very
often
in
town.
A
Well,
thank
you
both
again.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
and
your
presentation,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda-
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
from
the
people.
Oh.
A
M
A
Missiles
go
ahead
and
have
a
seat.
It's
my
understanding
that
we
that
our
staff
reached
out
to
somebody
at
lincoln
county.
Perhaps
we
had
the
wrong
contact
person,
but
we
would
love
to
hear
from
you
today
and
also
follow
up
to
include
lincoln
county
in
a
future
meeting.
M
M
Just
quick
background
on
lincoln
county
lincoln
county
is
6.:
6.8
million
acres
of
land
surface
area
similar
over
ten
thousand
square
miles.
Now
the
census
or
population
estimates
for
a
number
of
years
have
have
kept
us
right
about
fifty
two
hundred
to
fifty
three
hundred
residents.
Now,
interestingly
enough
in
in
our
in
the
covid
census,
we
only
have
4
200
people
now,
but
I
mean
who's
going
to
question
a
a
full
online
census.
M
You
know
with
no
certification
or
validation,
just
saying
the
so
so
yeah
a
a
square
mile
for
every
resident
and
and
half
of
it
still
left
over.
M
Well,
I
don't
know
was
that
the
original
title
of
it
there
was
there
was
an
act
and
then
and
then
an
update
to
it.
A
few
years
later,
I
think
the
current
one
in
places
is
lccrda,
lincoln,
county
conservation,
recreation
development
act.
The
upshot
of
it
was,
is
lincoln.
County
got
about
750
000
acres
of
additional
wilderness
designated.
M
Commissioner
jones,
you
asked
earlier
about
disposals
well
in
20
years
the
blm
is
disposed
of
just
about
500
acres,
I'm
not
even
gonna
mention
how
many
acres,
in
that
same
time
frame,
have
been
disposed
of
in
the
las
vegas
valley,
but
understanding
that
the
land
in
lincoln
county
doesn't
bring
as
much
money
as
that
in
the
las
vegas
valley.
So
we
see
you
know
it's
obvious.
Where
blm
puts
the
resources.
M
We
see
on
a
on
a
weekly
basis,
hundreds
that
come
to
the
county
to
recreate
rvs
side
by
sides,
razors
roads,
yeah,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
continual
barrage
of
folks
which
no
complaints
we
accept
them
and
glad
to
have
them,
but
at
the
same
token,
we
have
to
provide
services
for
them
with
with
really
no
money
coming
into
the
county
to
to
provide
those
services
in
that.
M
In
that
discussion,
of
course,
transportation
and
our
roads
is,
is
a
challenge,
as
has
been
noted,
and
I'm
sure,
you're
all
well
aware
of
over
the
years.
M
My
fifth
great
grandfather
arranged
cattle
in
eastern
lincoln
county
in
in
the
early
1850s.
They
they
were
centered
over
in
southern
utah,
but
but
brought
cattle
over
into
the
upper
end
of
clover,
creek.
Back
then
later
on
families
immigrated
to
the
to
the
area
just
for
general
information,
lincoln
county
was
created
in
1866
just
shortly
after
the
state
was
created,
and
we
had
this
little.
We
had
this
little
ranch
community
down
in
the
south
end
called
las
vegas
in
1909.
M
M
M
We
didn't
feel
like
we
had
to
go,
ask
permission
from
any
federal
agency
back
then
to
create
roads.
So
now
we
come
to
a
time
where
we
can't.
We
can't
maintain
roads,
because
we
don't
have
rights
of
way
to
those
roads
and-
and
so
the
federal
agencies
say
no.
No.
They
can't
do
that
permission
from
us
first,
several
years
ago,
lincoln
county
kind
of
gotten
a
twist
because
they
got
a
little
bit
off
from
the
disturbed
area
and
and
in
a
negotiation
with
the
blm.
M
But
the
challenge
really
in
most
of
our
public
land
federal
public
land
issues,
is
the
continual
yo-yo
of
regulations
and-
and
I
think
I
think
sage
grouse
is-
is
the
epitome
of
it
where
we
have
a
land
use
plan.
Well,
but
it's
got
challenged
in
court,
so
we're
going
to
write
another
one
by
court
order,
but
then
that
one's
challenged
in
court
and
that
one's
that
one's
stayed
but
the
first
one's
not,
and
so
we
go
back
to
the
first
one,
that's
still
under
a
court
challenge,
but
it
has
limitations.
M
And-
and
so
we
really
don't
know
where
we're
at
and-
and
this
happens
on,
almost
every
avenue
of
land
management
and
and
somewhere
that
has
to
come
to
a
stop.
There
has
to
be
some
certainty
for
the
counties
for
for
our
industries
and
for
the
people
so
that
they
can
count
on
what
what
the
rules
really
are
when,
when
they
go
out
on
the
land
mining,
historically,
a
very
robust
mining
community.
That
was,
that
was
the
reason
for
the
founding
of
the
area.
M
We've
we've
had
a
a
a
company
trying
to
open
another
sand
and
gravel
operation,
but
have
gotten
tremendous
pushback
from
other
state
agencies
and
and
somewhat
from
the
fish
and
wildlife
service.
But
I
think
we've
gotten
that
and
resolved
because
it's.
M
M
Our
ranching
and
grazing
community
has
been
very
stable.
As
I
said
in
my
earlier
presentation,
agriculture
is
the
stable
foundation.
Our
ranchers
and
farmers
have
have
done
a
tremendous
job
of
just
going
forward
with
business
over
the
years,
making
their
trying
to
make
their
lives
better.
The
challenges
in
the
reduction
in
grazing
every
time
that
a
land
use
plan
comes
through,
there's
almost
always
a
reduction
in
grazing
associated
with
it
that
diminishes
the
value
of
those.
M
So
so
for
those
of
you
that
may
or
may
not
know,
private
lands,
most
of
the
ranches
in
lincoln
county
and
around
the
state
have
a
section
of
private
land
and
then
a
grazing
permit
on
public
land.
The
combination
of
the
two
make
a
a
viable
operation
when
one
of
those
parts
goes
away
or
is
limited,
the
viability
of
the
operation
comes
in
question.
M
M
M
M
So
back
I
don't
know
it's
been
12
or
15
years
ago
the
blm
bought
brought
a
proposal
to
to
segregate
about
200
000
acres
in
lincoln
county
for
solar
energy
zones
after
a
lot
of
discussion
and
pushed
back
they
they
pared
that
down.
M
I
don't
even
know
where
we're
at
now
jared
forty
thousand
fifty
okay,
so
about
fifty
thousand
acres
that
they're
looking
at
for
solar
energy
zones,
which
is
well
and
fine,
but
that's
land.
That's
going
to
come
out
of
some
grazers
permit
because
they're
not
going
to
go
on
the
mountainside
that
there's
not
much
to
graze
on
they're,
going
to
go
out
in
the
best
of
the
grazing
land
to
put
the
solar
energy
field
up,
because
that's
the
easiest
to
get
to
right.
That's
most
friendly
to
the
to
the
renewable
company.
M
There's
issues,
there's
challenges
in
the
crate
and
and
and
some
potential
conflicts
there
where
that
goes,
will
have
an
effect
on
some
on
our
ranching
community
wildlife,
tremendous
wildlife,
research
resources.
We
have
people
from
all
over
the
state
and
all
over
the
nation
that
come
to
visit
us,
fabulous,
mule,
deer
and
and
elk
populations.
M
A
very
robust
and
growing
antelope
population
with
the
whole
plethora
of
of
other
species
that
that
enjoy
the
high
mountain
country
that
we
live
in.
M
We
welcome
those
folks
and
and
and
invite
them
to
come
back,
invite
them
to
come
by
a
place
and
stay
add
to
the
tax
base,
but
we're
severely
limited
by
our
ability
to
provide
services
because
of
the
tax
base
and
severely
limited
in
the
amount
of
land
that
we
have
to
ask
people
to
come
move
into
when
you've
only
got
less
than
two
percent
private
land
in
in
a
county.
I
talked
to
folks
from
from
back
east
with
I'm
involved
with
nato
and
and
they
they
look
at
me
dumbfounded.
M
They
can't
understand
how
you
could
even
have
a
government
that,
with
with
with
a
tax
base
like
that.
Well,
it's
a
good
question.
I'm
not
sure
it's
sure
hard
to
keep
deputies
on
the
streets
and
then
one
last
thing
on
the
recreation
side
of
it.
I
I've
had
good
conversations
with
with
robbie
mcavoy
from
the
ely
office
and
as
well
as
john
rabe
from
the
state
office.
Blm,
we
see
more
and
more,
and
I
think
lorinda
talked
about
it.
M
Now
we
have
some
hope
in
in
this
new
statewide
planning
effort
that
some
of
that
stuff
will
be
reconciled
and
we'll
be
able
to
to
to
have
these
events
go
through
a
direct
planning
process,
but
that's
yet
to
be
seen
and-
and
at
this
point
I'm
not
even
sure
we
got
funding
or
direction
for
the
statewide
plan.
Do
we,
I
guess
you'll
talk
you'll
talk
about
that
later,
but
anyway,
that's
one
more
there.
One
more
piece
I'll
touch
on
public
land
is
involves
more
than
just
federal
public
land.
M
Say
this
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
and
is
not
too
harsh.
Our
state
agencies
that
own
and
manage
lands
have
don't
have
much
regard
for
local
government
very
little
communication
with
this.
If
any
and
and
they
pretty
much
do
whatever
they
want
and
really
don't
contribute.
There's
no
course.
These
were
private
lands
that
have
now
gone
in
to
public
ownership.
So
there's
no
tax
base,
we've
lost
the
tax
base.
M
M
A
That
was
a
great
presentation
and
we
appreciate
it.
I
think
you
helped
give
us
some
insight
into
lincoln
county
in
particular,
and
I
will
ask
my
members
if
you
have
any
questions.
I
see
commissioner
jones.
K
K
Just
since
I
have
my
spreadsheet
here,
because
I've
done
a
lot
of
analysis
on
this,
and
this
is
just
for
the
parks,
trails
and
natural
areas.
Portion
of
snippema,
lincoln
county
has
received
through
round
18
18
million
919
134
dollars.
So
that's
money.
That's
going
from
clark
to
lincoln
county
and
on
a
per
capita
basis.
K
Clark
county
has
gotten
305
dollars
on
a
per
capita
basis,
and
lincoln
county
has
gotten
4
205
dollars
per
capita
and
just
for
our
white
paint.
Folks,
it's
six
thousand
three
hundred
and
ten
dollars.
So
I
just
wanna
say
I
appreciate
your
concerns
happy
to
work
with
blm,
but
also
you're.
Welcome.
I
I
M
M
Sir,
I
appreciate
the
question
bevan
lister
for
the
record,
so
so
over
the
years
in
the
in
the
1992.
M
The
reason
was
for
forage
availability.
There
was
you
know.
Lack
of
forage
is
why
the
permits
were
reduced.
In
another
section
of
the
plan,
it
noted
that
30
percent
of
forage
was
being
reserved
for
wildlife,
so
so
in
a
in
in
two
sections
of
the
plan
in
in
one,
it
says
we're
going
to
reduce
your
your
livestock
grazing
by
30
percent,
at
least
or
more
because
there's
not
forage
available,
but
over
here
we're
going
to
increase
the
amount
of
forage
available
for
wildlife,
so
management
purposes
are
reasons
that
permits
get
reduced
so
and
and
again.
M
In
that
same
context,
if
a
solar
energy
field
were
to
go
in,
especially
if
it
were
in
one
specific
use
area,
then
it
would
be
very
likely
that
that
permit
would
be
reduced
because
there
would
be
a
lack
of
forage.
The
forage
available
would
be
less,
and
so
there
wouldn't
be
the
aums
calculated
to
support
the
same
grazing.
M
Does
that
make
any
sense
so
so
so
there's
numerous
reasons
that
that
permits
get
reduced.
Philosophically,
it's
almost
always
political,
but
it
is
what
it
is.
F
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on.
First
of
all,
you
know
on
the
note
around
communication
with
the
state.
I
appreciate
that,
and
you
know,
I
hope
that
you
can
follow
up
with
us,
so
we
can
figure
out
some
ways
to
improve
that
communication.
F
You
know,
I
think
even
this
committee
is
an
example.
We
we
did
reach
out
to
lincoln
county,
to
make
sure
that
you
all
are
available
to
present.
So
whatever
we
can
do
to
try
and
tune
up
the
communication
between
the
state
and
the
county.
You
know,
we've
obviously
got.
We've
got
state
lands
here,
we've
got
department
of
conservation
and
natural
resources
here,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
continue
to
build
really
strong
communication
and
partnerships
between
local
government
state
government
and
the
federal
government.
F
So
we
look
forward
to
following
up
to
see
what
are
the
ways
that
we
can
that
we
can
tighten
that
up.
The
other
thing
that
I
just
wanted
to
mention
real
quick.
You
know
on
on
that
note
of
you
know:
state
lands
and
and
parks.
You
know
I
think
you
did
mention
it
is
it's.
It's
definitely
a
getaway
for
a
lot
of
people
in
southern
nevada.
F
I
frankly
am
someone
who
likes
recreating
in
lincoln
county
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
we
didn't
develop
all
cram
2
million
people
into
lincoln
county,
so
that
that
you
all,
as
residents,
can
enjoy
the
open
spaces
and
and
quieter
communities.
F
You
know
just
would
know
also
that
I
believe
there
are
some
wildlife
management
areas
within
lincoln
county,
and
I
know
that
any
lands
that
are
acquired
by
the
department
of
wildlife
they
are
actually
exempt
and
they
do
continue
to
pay
taxes,
property
taxes.
So
I
know
you,
you
may
have
some
issues
with
state
parks.
M
If
you
don't
mind
madam
chair
evan
lister
for
the
record
and
commissioner
jones,
that
I
didn't
mean
to
diminish
the
the
contributions
made
by
snipima
to
the
county,
not
at
all
we,
we
very
much
appreciate
the
access
to
those
trails
and
recreation
funds,
and
they
they
have
done
tremendous
work
in
the
county.
I
I
was
just
meaning
to
compare
the
amount
of
land
sold
as
far
as
disposals.
M
A
All
right,
thank
you,
and
if
we
could
get
your
contact
information,
I
mean
I'm
sure
we
have
it,
but
before
you
leave
so
that
we
can
reach
out
to
lincoln
county
again.
That
would
be
fantastic
and
we
appreciate
you
being
here
and
joining
us
today.
So
thank
you
and
I
think
at
this
point
we
will
move
on
to
presentations
from
our
federal
partners,
starting
with
the
bureau
of
land
management.
A
D
Madam
chair,
thank
you
for
inviting
the
ely
district
to
provide
an
update
on
some
of
our
many
projects
currently
underway
on
our
district.
My
name
is
robbie
mcavoy
and
I've
been
the
district
manager
here
in
ely
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
my
career
in
public
lands
management
is
approaching
30
years
of
service
and
I've
worked
for
two
separate
agencies.
D
A
copy
of
the
manager's
report
has
been
provided,
and
that
is
the
basis
of
the
information
I'll
be
sharing.
Today
I
have
with
me
jared
bybee
field
manager
for
the
bristlecone
field
office
and
chris
hannafeld
sitting
behind
us
as
our
public
affairs
officer
over
the
past
few
years,
interest
and
energy
development
on
the
ely
district
has
increased.
D
I'll
start
with
the
transcanyon
crosstie
project,
the
crosstai
500
kv
transmission
line,
as
proposed
by
trans
canyon.
Llc
crosses
multiple
blm
jurisdictions
and
national
forest
system
lands,
as
it
leaves
mona,
utah
and
ends
at
the
robinson
substation
here
in
ely.
The
utah
blm
fillmore
field
office
is
serving
as
project
lead.
D
The
transmission
line
is
proposed
to
be
located
within
existing
utility
corridors.
The
driver
behind
this
project
is
to
strengthen
the
interconnection
between
pacific,
core
and
envy
energy's
transmission
systems,
while
supporting
inter-regional
power.
Transfor
transfers
doing
so
furthers
the
administration's
priorities
by
facilitating
access
between
renewable
sources
of
energy,
primarily
wind
in
wyoming
and
wind
or
solar
and
solar
in
utah
and
eastern
nevada.
D
D
D
The
transwest
project
includes
approximately
732
miles
of
high
voltage
transmission
lines,
two
terminals
located
in
wyoming
and
utah,
and
two
substations
located
in
utah
and
nevada.
The
system
will
be
capable
of
transmitting
three
thousand
megawatts
of
electric
energy
and
will
facilitate
the
installation
and
transmission
of
up
to
four
thousand
megawatts
of
renewable
energy
capacity.
D
There
are
two
other
transmission
lines
swept
north
and
greenlink
north
that
the
ely
district
is
involved
with
the
elko
district
is
lead
on
swift,
north
and
the
nevada
state
office
is
lead
on
greenlink
north.
A
component
of
greenlake
north
includes
expansion
of
the
robinson
substation
to
accommodate
these
developments.
D
D
D
This
project
consists
of
two
reservoirs
at
different
elevations
that
has
the
potential
to
generate
1000
megawatts
of
energy
per
hour
for
up
to
eight
hours
when
in
use
power
is
generated
when
water
from
the
upper
reservoir
proposed
in
duck.
Creek
is
released
and
travels
through
a
20-foot
diameter
tunnel
passing
through
an
underground
turbine.
D
D
These
landscape
scale,
fuel
reduction
projects,
restore
watershed,
health
and
improve
wildlife
habitat
while
reducing
catastrophic
wildfire
risk
treatment
methods
typically
include
hand,
thinning,
chaining,
mastication
and
prescribed
fire
use,
followed
by
aerial
and
or
ground
seating.
The
district,
often
partners
with
federal
other
federal
agencies
and
state
agencies,
native
american
tribes
and
private
land
owners.
D
D
We
also
finished
the
second
mastication
project
on
433
acres,
near
kern
on
the
kern
mountain
range,
and
it
was
also
aerially
seeded
in
january,
and
that
treatment
is
also
part
of
a
landscape
scale.
Kerns
mountain
landscape,
restoration
project
that
will
ultimately
treat
over
twelve
thousand
five
hundred
acres.
D
So
that
concludes
the
update
for
the
ely
district.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
jared
and
I
are
available
to
answer
questions
you
may
have.
Regarding
top
topics.
I
spoke
on
included
in
the
managers
report
that
you
have
or
other
projects
that
you
are
aware
of
occurring
on
the
ely
district.
Thank
you.
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
senator
greg
for
the
record
just
a
couple
of
things.
The
johnson
springs
rehab,
where
you
ariel
seeded
that
now,
as
livestock
grazing
being
reduced
there
or
or
you're
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
see
what
happens.
S
For
the
record
jared
bybee
field
manager,
bristol
cone
field
office,
ely
district
bureau
of
land
management
senator
gokuchi,
so
we
have
grazing
agreements
in
place
to
avoid
the
area
while
it
is
being
rehabbed
after
the
treatments.
S
C
You,
sir,
and
just
one
more
quick
follow-up.
If
I
could
and
then
I
was
just
looking
at
the
report
here,
are
they
still
trying
to
wilt
drill
that
well
in
pancake
western
exploration.
S
They
are
in
what
is
called
diligent
drilling,
which
means
that
they
were
in
the
process
of
drilling,
even
though
the
term
of
their
lease
had
expired.
While
they
were
drilling,
so
they
have
an
opportunity
to
finish
the
to
the
depth
of
that
hole
under
their
application
for
permit
to
drill
the
sage-grouse
timing.
Restrictions
are
lifted
for
that
location
on
june
15th
and
they
plan
to
commence
drilling
after
that.
I
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
being
here
and
your
patience.
The
very
end
of
the
meeting.
I
had
a
question
about
masticating.
Just
just
curious:
actually
do
you
do
it
in-house
like
do
you?
Do
you
guys
buy
the
equipment?
Does
blm,
buy
the
equipment
and
somebody's
trained
to
do
it
or
do
you
contract
out
for
that.
S
For
the
record
jared
bybee,
we
do
both.
So
we
do
have
our
own
machinery.
It
does
take
a
lot
to
maintain
it
because,
as
you
can
imagine,
that
is
pretty
hard
on
it.
When
you're
masticating
trees,
we
do
that
more
site
specific
on
smaller
projects,
but
our
larger
projects
we
most
definitely
contract
that
type
of
workout.
I
A
This
is
very
true,
and
I
did
anybody
else-
have
questions
I'm
browsing
through
the
report
right
now
and
at
the
very
end,
there's
an
interesting
special
legislation
about
an
archaeological
initiative
in
lincoln
county.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
archaeology
on
blm
lands
in
nevada
or
anywhere,
but
especially
here
in
nevada,.
S
For
the
record
jared
bybee
yeah,
what's
that
item
there,
the
lincoln
county
archaeological
initiative,
so
that
is
a
subset
of
the
legislation
from
the
lincoln
county
conservation,
recreation
development
act
and
also
the
lincoln
county
lands
act.
So
that
is
a
specific
program
to
study,
protect
and
enhance
archaeological
resources
in
lincoln
county.
A
S
For
the
record
jared
bybee,
yes,
in
particular
on
the
lincoln
county
archaeological
initiative,
the
chair
is
actually
an
archaeologist
for
the
basin
arranged
national
monument.
Our
everything
we
do.
We
do
requires
a
cultural
inventory
and
requires
concurrence
with
the
state
historical
preservation
officer.
So
we
do
a
tremendous
amount
of
archaeological
work.
A
A
We
will
hear
it
next
from
the
local,
united
states,
forest
service.
T
T
I
am
the
crazy
ranger
at
neely,
and
so
just
a
little
bit
about
myself.
I
was
actually
born
and
raised
here
in
1969.
T
T
I
will
retire
in
ely
in
four
years
117
days,
and
so
I
plan
to
stay
here
and
provide
some
consistency.
T
Today,
I'm
going
to
provide
some
testimony
and
up
to
you,
update
you
regarding
some
of
the
stuff
going
on
on
the
healy
ranger
district,
I'm
going
to
focus
on
fuels,
vegetation
treatments,
the
recreation
program,
southern
nevada,
public
land
management,
act,
projects
on
my
district
and
then
a
little
bit
about
shared
stewardship
and
then,
at
the
end
of
that,
we'll
have
some
time
for
some
questions
and,
like
I
said,
I'm
not
I'm
not
your
typical
district
ranger.
T
T
Since
2020
we've
treated
over
11
370
acres
to
reduce
fuels,
mostly
within
the
wildlife
urban
interface
and
near
private
lands
in
2022,
we
have
plans
to
treat
at
least
another
2500
acres
specifically
for
fuels,
a
lot
of
those
on
the
side
of
ward
mountain
to
protect
this
urban
interface.
Here
in
ely,
we
are
also
aggressively
managing
noxious
weeds
in
on
the
district.
T
T
So
the
ely
district
has
been
focusing
on
improving
our
develop
recreation
facilities
and
our
trails
to
improve
recreational
opportunities
for
the
public.
Our
goal
is
to
improv,
provide
improved
campgrounds
trails
and
facilities
and,
at
the
same
time
reducing
our
long-term
maintenance
costs.
Maintenance
costs
are
a
concern,
and
so
that's
a
major
factor
that
we're
considering
as
we
rebuild
these
facilities.
T
T
We
have
used
this
diploma
funding
to
complete
the
reconstruction
on
the
ward
mountain,
the
timber
creek
and
the
bird
creek
campgrounds,
the
east
creek
campground
is
almost
done
and
the
timber
creek
horse
campground
is
in
the
progress
in
progress
and
we
just
sent
for
contracting
and
then
on
our
plan
and
I'll
I'll
share
the
plans.
So
we
do
have
a
long-term
plan
for
sniploma
recreation
and
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
T
We've
worked
closely
with
nevada
wilderness,
nevada,
friends
of
nevada
wilderness
and
the
backcountry
horsemen
regarding
maintenance
and
improvements
to
our
non-motorizing.
Our
wilderness
trails,
we
have
been
awarded
a
two
million
dollar
grant
through
sniping
by
to
reconstruct
and
expand
the
mountain.
The
ward
mountain
bike
trail
right
here
outside
of
town
and
we're
working
with
a
bunch
of
partners
on
that
one.
It's
been
very,
very
positive
on
that.
We
hope
to
get
a
lot
of
stuff
done.
T
We
have
previously
received
grant
funding
from
the
nevada
ohv
commission
to
reconstruct
the
southern
end
of
the
ranger
trail,
which
is
a
popular
ohv
trail
in
the
duck
creek
basin
and
then
in
round
19
of
sniploma
we
actually
have
employ,
have
applied
for
funding.
T
I'm
going
to
go
off
script
here,
a
little
bit.
We
have
three
that
are
pretty
much
tied
to
recreation.
The
kalamazoo
campground
is
under
round
19
being
considered
the
mount
mariah
trail
system.
We
had
some
floods
following
a
fire
out
there
and
it
significantly
damaged
a
lot
of
our
non-motorized
trails
and
access
roads.
We
are
planning
on
going
in
and
reconstructing
the
roads,
the
trail
heads
and
all
of
the
trails
in
that
entire
mountain
range
system,
if
that's
funded
so
cross,
our
fingers.
T
T
Here
several
years
ago,
and
just
recently
in
march,
the
governor
and
the
agency
signed
a
recreation
shared
stewardship
so
out
here,
el
chevet
beat
me
on
this
one
out
here
we
practice
some
redneck
shared
stewardship
and
it's
really
good
being
out
in
a
rural
area
like
this,
where
I
know
the
community
and
and
have
a
lot
of
the
interests
of
the
community
at
heart
and
we're
able
to
do
a
lot
of
things
already,
even
without
that
agreement
and
a
shared
stewardship
approach.
T
I
know
in
march
just
this
last
month,
colin
robertson
came
out
and
at
my
agency,
as
well
as
blm
and
and
all
the
partners
in
the
community
met,
and
we
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
tourism
and
recreation
in
the
county,
and
that
was
a
very
productive
meeting
since
then,
we
actually
are
going
to
schedule
a
follow-up
meeting
here
locally
to
talk
more
with
the
partners
on
a
more
one-on-one
informal
setting.
That's
that's
where
I
like
to
do
my
businesses
and
that
one-on-one
informal
and
work
with
people.
T
T
Two,
the
south
shells
covers
both
private
and
forest
service
lands
over
here
from
kalamazoo
all
the
way
to
connor's
summit
on
the
shell
creek
range
and
we're
looking
to
work
with
all
the
partners
out
there
to
accomplish
fuels,
treatments,
habitat
wildlife,
habitat
improvements,
the
whole
works
at
a
landscape
scale-
illapa,
oh
jared,
is
probably
cussing
me
on
this.
One
illapa
is
another
one
of
my
pet
projects
and
it's
a
joint
project
with
ely
blm
and
we'll
do
some
things
out
there
across
blm
and
forest
service
boundaries,
and
so
we've
submitted
it.
T
Part
of
that
project
is
kind
of
a
little
pet
project
for
me
where
the
permatea
landowner
and
water
rights
holder
in
the
basin
has
approached
us
and
wants
to
transplant
beaver
back
into
that
watershed,
and
that's
part
of
our
thing
to
restore
beaver,
to
use
a
natural
process
to
kind
of
restore
the
watershed
conditions
out
there.
So
it's
definitely
one
of
my
pet
projects.
T
So
other
partners,
I
want
to
mention
in
the
fuels
serena
as
well
fuels
in
my
life.
I
definitely
mentioned
nevada
division
of
wild
nevada
department
of
wildlife.
They
have
been
awesome
to
work
for
or
work
with,
and
I
will
share
some
examples
on
the
shared
stewardship
approach
that
we've
already
been
doing
with
them.
In
the
past.
T
That's
part
of
it
is-
is
getting
away
from
some
of
the
traditional
ways
that
we've
done
business
out
here.
I'll
share
another
example,
because
chev
is
not
here
to
get
me
in
trouble:
either
road
maintenance,
our
funding
for
road
maintenance,
is
not
there
anymore
and
roads
wash
out
and
things
happen,
and
we
have
private
landowners
that
can't
get
access
to
their
private
or
permatease.
They
can't
get
to
their
improvements
and
so
forth.
T
I
right
now
work
people
come
to
me
and
instead
of
going
through
a
big
bureaucratic
process
and
all
that
we
talk
about
it
and
I
will
issue
them
an
email
or
a
letter
or
something
and
we
set
the
sideboards
and
if
they
have
the
resources
they
go
out
and
do
the
improvements
to
fix
the
road,
because
I
can't
get
my
road
crew
out
here
to
do
it.
We
just
don't
have
the
capacity
or
the
funding
to
do
it
same
thing
with
county,
I'm
martin,
trout
and
yeah.
T
T
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
open
it.
Well,
first,
I'm
going
to
mention
I
I
would
have
done
a
powerpoint,
but
me
and
my
flip
phone
couldn't
figure
out.
No,
I
know
how
to
do
them.
I
just
so.
Instead
of
the
powerpoint
I
said
I
provided
you
a
handout.
I
like
photos
and
I
think
photos
tell
the
whole
story,
and
so
you've
got
that
there
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
photos.
F
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
thanks
very
much
for
the
presentation.
I
I
appreciate
it
and
enjoy
it,
and
I
gotta
start
off
by
just
tipping
my
hat
off
to
you,
but
as
well
as
all
the
other
partners
for
what
sounds
like
working
so
well
together
to
see
some
of
your
local
government
partners
behind
you
nodding
their
heads.
You
know
it's
it's
great
to
see,
and
I
I
hope
that
we
can
take
some
some
lessons
from
that
approach
and
help
replicate
that
in
in
other
areas
and
other
districts.
F
One
thing
that
I
that
comes
to
my
mind
is,
of
course
the
that
I
want
to
ask
you
about,
is
kind
of
how
the
national
park
service
fits
into
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
about
is
obviously
we've
got
great
basin
national
park.
We
know
that
you
know,
including
parks
in
utah.
F
Other
places
have
been
sending
people
over
to
great
basin,
which
is
fantastic.
I
want
people
to
experience
it
and
stay
in
and
invest
some
money
in
our
rural
outdoor
recreation
economy,
but
I
also
know
that
some
of
those
accommodations
are
filling
up.
I
mean
especially
on
a
it's
it's
like
it
used
to
be.
You
could
get
a
campsite
anytime
now,
if
it's
a
holiday
weekend,
if
you
can't
get
out,
if
you
can't
beat
the
crowd
forget
about
it.
So,
but
you
know
you
talked
about
mount
moriah,
which
is
just
to
the
north.
F
Obviously
word
mountain
other
things
to
me.
The
forest
service
is
really
a
major
partner
in
helping
provide
great
basin's,
been
a
release
valve
kind
of
for
some
other
areas,
as
it's
gotten
up
there,
and
now,
it
seems
to
me
like
the
forest
service-
is,
can
be
a
really
good
release
valve
for
for
folks
heading
out
to
great
basin.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
about
conversations
or
partnership
with
the
park
service
and
in
some
of
that
kind
of
approach.
T
Jose
noriega
district
ranger
for
the
record,
so
the
forest
service
we
no
longer
because
of
the
2006
lands
act.
We
no
longer
have
any
lands
that
touch
right
next
to
great
basin.
Blm
does,
and
I
think
blm
does
a
lot
more
of
that
cross
boundary
cooperation
with
the
park
service.
However,
you
did
hit
some
of
it
exactly
on
one
of
kind
of
that
plan.
In
the
back
of
my
head,
which
aaron
back
here
will
tell
me,
I
got
to
get
written
down
before
that
four
year
thing.
T
Mount
moriah
is
very
important
with
that,
whether
it's
formal
or
informal
partnerships,
because
mount
moriah
is
the
area
where
people
can
escape
the
the
increasing
crowds
of
grey
basin
and
get
away
and
see
some
environments
where
they
will
not,
at
this
point,
run
into
crowds.
It's
that
more
remote,
but
fairly
close
to
great
basin
environment
and
the
campground's
the
same
type
of
thing,
whether
it
be
people
can't
get
aside
at
cave,
lake
or
people
can't
get
a
site
at
the
park
service.
T
These
campgrounds
that
we
have
generally,
you
can
get
a
site
at
them,
and
not
only
that.
I
I
spent
a
detail
here
a
few
years
back
on
the
spring
mountains
in
vegas
yeah.
I
won't
do
that
again.
Ely
provides
the
opportunity,
even
for
those
people
in
the
urban
area,
to
get
out
of
that
environment
which
could
be
very
stressful.
T
Now.
That
said,
I'm
going
to
share
one
other
thing
with
you.
If
you
want
to
pull
an
rv
up
here
and
stay
and
you
want
full
hookups
and
concrete
pass
and
all
that
I'm
not
going
to
have
that
for
you,
I'm
not
going
to
have
a
flush
toilet,
but
I
will
have
the
cleanest
smelling,
vaulted
toilet
you
will
ever
see.
T
That
is
all
part
of
that,
keeping
it
within
a
realm
that
we
can
manage
it
in
for
maintenance,
because
sniploma
doesn't
pay
for
the
maintenance,
long
term
and-
and
so
we
have
to
be
able
to
manage
it,
and
my
objective
is-
is
to
manage
those
sites
within
the
fees
that
we
collect
at
those
sites
and
not
dip
into
the
appropriated
dollars
so
much
to
to
manage
them.
Hopefully
that
answers
the
question.
A
Other
questions-
I
have
a
couple
I
think
you
may
have
mentioned
this
at
the
beginning,
but
when
you
talk
about
those
sites
or
facilities
that
you
manage
in
the
elite
district,
how
many
are
approximately?
How
many
are
there.
T
T
T
So
you
know
I
love
talking
to
people,
so
I
get
a
lot
of
phone
calls
from
the
public
and
my
cell
phone
is
out
there.
It's
it's
the
emergency
contact
number
on
the
front
door
of
the
office,
and
so
I
take
a
lot
of
public
comments
and
I
love
talking
to
people
whenever
anyone
asks
me
that
I
have
to
ask
you:
what
are
you
looking
for?
T
Do
you
want
a
higher
elevation,
more
alpine
setting
with
aspen?
Are
you
looking
close
to
town
easy
access?
What
kind
of
vehicle
are
you
driving
what
size
of
rv
area,
and
I
can
answer
all
those
questions,
but
you
have
to
ask
a
person
that,
before
I
can
tell
you
the
best
choice,
I
know
I
will
go
a
little
further.
T
A
T
Jose
noriega
for
the
record:
yes,
national
forest
system
lands
we're
really
similar
to
blm,
and
so
most
all
the
uses
are
out
there.
Hunting
fishing
hiking
ohv
use
all
of
that,
and
actually
that's
part
of
our
whole
big
plan.
A
T
So
jose
noriega
for
the
record.
We
do
do
some
segregation,
not
completely,
but
we
do
do
some
and
I'll
share.
Some
examples,
obviously,
for
wilderness
wilderness
by
nature
is
going
to
be
where
we
emphasize
the
non-motorized
and
the
horseback
opportunities
hiking
type
of
stuff.
The
mountain
bike
trail
system.
That
is
a
trail
system,
that's
being
designed
in
a
specific
area
for
mountain
bikers
with
that
objective,
and
so
we
don't
allow
motorcycles
or
ohvs
on
it.
T
Managing
the
other
way,
though,
for
instance
with
some
of
our
oe
hv
trails
for
the
ranger
trail,
which
we've
got
a
an
additional
phase
on
that,
and
some
of
those
they're
designed
for
ohvs
but
they're,
also
appropriate
for
mountain
bikers
and
they're
totally
good
with
writing
on
them.
Acknowledging
that
they
may
run
into
the
other
uses
out
there.
A
C
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
vice
chair,
senator
greg
katie
for
the
record,
mr
noriega,
do
you
have
problems
with
ohv
vehicles
that
are
actually
traveling
off
trail
and
blazing
their
own
roads?
I
I
know
in
some
of
the
other
districts
we
do,
but
I'd
like
that
on
the
record.
T
So
jose
and
oriega
for
the
record.
We
absolutely
do.
We
have
problems
with
ohvs
in
the
wilderness
and
we
address
those
lately.
We've
had
a
lot
more
problems
too,
with
the
with
the
antler
hunting
seasons,
with
people
going
out
on
ohvs
and
doing
that,
and
we
run
into
problems.
I'll
be
honest
with
you
mentioned
about
people
coming
unprepared.
T
Well,
we
also
get
a
lot
of
visitors
that
don't
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
these
high
mountain
environments
and
they
bring
ohvs
that
they're
used
to
riding
on
sand
dunes,
and
this
is
not
a
sand
dune,
and
so
they
will
go.
They
will
go
mud,
bogging
and
meadows
and
they
will
go
do
hill
climbs
and
all
of
that
and
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
T
They
took
away
my
ticket
book,
unfortunately,
but
I
do
have
law
enforcement
here
and
when
that
happens,
we
will
issue
citations
and-
and
I
am
an
ohver
myself
and
so
I
get
out
there
and
I
like
to
ride-
and
it's
important
to
me
on
the
flip
side
of
it.
That's
why
we
are
looking
at
these
ohv
trail
opportunities
to
provide
people
the
opportunity,
but
expect
that
they
behave
themselves
while
they're
out
here.
C
Thank
you,
madam
vice
chair
for
the
follow-up,
and
do
you
think
you
are?
Are
you
getting
ahead
of
it
or
staying
ahead
of
it?
Maybe
you
are
in
this
district.
You
know,
of
course,
we've
got
a
permit
on
the
on
the
rubies
and
you
know
we're
losing
ground
there.
C
T
I
think
we've
made
some
progress,
but
it's
something
that
you
have
to
keep
after
all
the
time-
and
I
know
for
your
situation
up
there
with
the
forest
service
and
elko
losing
their
law
enforcement
officer
up
there.
That
really
creates
a
challenge
and
not
everyone
out.
There
is
able
to
do
the
law
enforcement
when
we
lost
ours,
I
joke
about
losing
the
ticket
book.
I
actually
did
have
a
ticket
book
and
I
went
out
and
did
what
I
could
to
kind
of
stem
that
tide.
A
T
T
A
Well,
thank
you.
We
appreciate
your
dining
recommendations,
your
recreation
recommendations,
your
camping
recommendations,
your
conservation
recommendations
and
all
of
your
hard
work
for
the
forest
service
and
for
everybody
in
this
community.
So
thank
you
and
if
there
are
not
any
more
comments,
questions
that
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
presentations
today.
Congratulations
to
everybody
who
made
it
to
the
end.
Your
reward
is
another
period
of
public
comment.
A
Three
minutes
per
person
and
hey
we've
been
here
this
long.
If
there's
someone
here
who
has
something
to
say,
please
do
come
up,
take
the
mic
for
three
minutes.
You
made
the
trip
all
the
way
down
here
and
we've
heard
a
lot
of
great
information.
So
please
go
ahead.
If
there's
anybody
who
wants
to
make
a
public
comment.
A
All
right
looks
like
there's
no
more
public
comment.
So
that
concludes
our
meeting
just
so
everybody
knows
our
next
meeting
will
be
on
monday
may
23rd
in
boulder
city,
and
this
meeting
is
adjourned.