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A
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you
very
much.
I
believe
we
are
all
here
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please
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us
all
present
before
we
get
started
today.
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like
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few
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There
will
be
a
public
comment
period
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
and
public
comment
may
be
provided
in
four
different
ways,
all
of
which
are
listed
on
the
agenda.
So
our
next
agenda
item
is
public
comment
to
so
to
reach
us
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Please,
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A
E
Good
morning,
chur
dondero
loop
vice
chair
flores
and
members,
kent
irvin,
k-e-n-t,
e-r-v-I-n
state,
president
of
the
nevada
faculty
alliance,
the
independent
association
of
faculty
at
nevada's,
public
colleges
and
universities.
We
work
to
empower
our
faculty
to
be
fully
engaged
in
our
mission
to
help
students
succeed.
E
Empowering
faculty
means
the
right
to
collectively
bargain
with
the
nevada
system
of
higher
education,
who
is
our
employer.
There
are
many
advantages
for
collective
bargaining
and
higher
education.
Research
shows
that
faculty
unionization
promotes
shared
governance
and
better
outcomes
for
students,
including
retention
and
completion.
E
E
In
the
2021
session,
sb
373
was
introduced
to
provide
collective
bargaining
rights
for
entry,
professional
employees,
sb
373
passed
with
a
bipartisan
vote
in
the
senate
government
affairs
committee.
Unfortunately,
it
did
not
move
further
in
the
legislative
process,
partly
because
of
fiscal
notes
from
state
agencies
outside
of
nshee.
E
We
asked
the
joint
interim
standing
committee
on
government
affairs
to
consider
sponsoring
this
bill
draft.
Through
your
bill
draft
request
allocation,
we
would
be
happy
to
meet
with
with
you
to
explain
the
bill
and
the
advantages
of
collective
bargaining
rights
in
statute
for
professional
employees
of
nshi.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
B
A
A
All
those
against
say,
nay,
motion
passes.
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
we
will
move
on
to
agenda
item
number
four
and
today
we're
going
to
be
receiving
an
update
on
the
implementation
of
assembly
bill
184
from
last
session.
As
you
may
recall,
ab184
temporarily
created
the
office
of
small
business
advocacy
in
the
office
of
the
lieutenant
governor.
G
Michael
cullen,
chief
of
staff
to
lieutenant
governor
cono
burkhead
for
the
record
good
morning,
chair
dunder,
luke,
vice
chair
flores
and
all
members
of
members
of
the
joint
interim
standing
committee
on
government
affairs.
As
I
said,
I'm
chief
of
staff
to
the
lieutenant
governor
and
today
I
am
joined
by
sunnyvania,
who
is
our
director
of
the
office
of
small
business
advocacy,
melissa,
savage,
who
is
our
program
manager
for
the
office
and
daniel
marlow,
is
also
on
the
line.
Who
is
the
administrator
for
administrative
services
division?
G
As
you
all,
as
you
are
all
aware,
the
office
of
small
business
advocacy
was
created
via
ab184
last
legislative
session,
the
81st
session.
It
was
sponsored
by
speaker,
fryerson
and
majority
leader
assemblywoman
benitez
thompson
assembly.
Bill
184
was
a
major
priority
for
both
governor
syslak
and
then
lieutenant
governor
kate
marshall.
According
to
the
u.s
small
business
administration
in
2021,
over
297
000
small
businesses
were
in
operation
in
nevada,
which
represented
over
99
of
all
businesses
in
the
state
and
employed
over
half
a
million
people
or
about
43
percent
of
our
state's
workforce.
G
According
to
an
op-ed
published
by
speaker,
fryerson
and
lieutenant
governor
marshall
in
the
nevada
indy
title
nevada
is
small
business.
They
said
nevada,
small
businesses
have
it
tough.
Only
half
of
a
new
startup
survived
their
first
five
years
in
business,
even
in
normal
times,
larger,
more
established
firms
have
easier
access
to
banks
and
investors,
while
most
small
businesses
lack
this
access
to
financial
resources,
even
if
they
are
more
flexible.
Small
firms
are
more
vulnerable
to
unexpected
economic
downturns
and
they
continued.
The
pandemic
has
made
these
problems
even
more
acute.
G
The
federal
government
funded
programs
to
help
businesses
weather
the
storm,
but
many
small
businesses
have
been
unable
to
take
advantage
of
them
either
because
they
didn't
know
they
qualify
or
they
didn't
know
how
to
gain
access
even
with
karazak
support
over
35
percent
of
nevada's.
Small
businesses
have
closed
their
doors
this
past
year.
G
With
that
being
said,
ab-184
passed
with
broad
support
from
stakeholders,
including,
but
not
limited
to
goed,
department
of
business
and
industry,
lvgea,
the
las
vegas
global
economic
alliance,
edon,
the
vegas
chamber,
the
henderson
chamber,
the
reno
sparks
chamber,
the
african
chamber,
the
latin
chamber
urban
chamber
and
the
nevada
outdoor
business
coalition,
so
assembly
bill
184
in
section
nine
provides
four
actions
that
osda
shall
undertake.
G
Develop
processes
to
ensure
small
businesses
receive
timely
responses
regarding
their
inquiries,
resolve
regulatory
and
enforcement
issues
and
identify
and
recommend
efficient
and
responsive
procedures,
facilitate
participation
in
events
and
meetings
and
identify
causes
of
delays
and
inefficiencies
and
finally
make
recommendations
on
resolving
issues
next
slide.
Most
please.
Thank
you.
G
The
purpose
of
osba
is
really
to
serve
as
an
advocate
for
small
businesses
within
state
government
by
serving
as
a
centralized
hub,
connecting
businesses
to
resources
and
working
to
resolve
challenges
and
barriers.
Ensuring
the
long-term
growth
and
resiliency
of
nevada's
small
businesses
in
an
industry
go
ed.
G
Director
michael
brown
often
says
that
there
are
a
lot
of
agencies
with
oversight
over
small
business
in
state
government,
go
ahead
being
one
of
them,
and
one
thing
our
purpose
here
in
osba
is,
is
to
serve
as
that
conductor
of
the
orchestra
and
direct
small
business
owners
to
the
appropriate
resources.
G
G
As
all
you
all
know,
lieutenant
governor
burkhead
was
appointed
in
on
december
16
2021
by
governor
steve
sislak,
and
it
was
an
immediate
priority
for
us
to
get
this
office
up
and
running.
We
were
very,
we
connected
a
wide
search
for
our
team
and
received
numerous
excellent
applications
for
both
our
director
and
program
manager
roles.
F
F
However,
we
did
immediately
started
our
outreach,
both
and
client
services,
so
we
started
with
listening
sessions
with
our
partner
agencies,
such
as
business
industry
and
goad
they
heavily
advocated
for
this
office.
So
it
was
important
for
the
ospa
to
understand
their
vision
on
how
we
partner
with
them.
We
met
with
different
state
agencies
such
as
sba,
spdc,
nevada,
co-op,
you
name
it
and
explain
the
role
of
the
office
and
how
we
could
better
partner
as
well.
F
Then
we
started
listening
sessions
with
stakeholders
and
business
ecosystem
partners,
such
as
the
chamber
of
commerce's,
to
advocate
and
advocacy
agencies,
explain
our
role
and
and
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
we
could
at
least
assist
each
other
as
well.
We
successfully
help
with
business
resource
fair
in
the
west
side,
in
partnership
with
the
bristol
industry.
F
F
F
We
have
helped
advocate
for
over
60
small
business
owners
issues,
ranging
from
funding
resources
to
licensing
to
medicaid
approvals,
help
small
business
owners
understand
their
rights
and
responsibilities.
I
think
it's
probably
easier.
If
I
give
you
a
few
examples
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
done
as
an
office,
we
were
able
to
help
a
20
plus
year
old
candy
shop
obtain
much
needed
funding
through
some
of
our
resources.
That's
out
there.
F
We
help
businesses
with
virus
licensing
boards
due
to
delay
and
bank
is
one
example,
and
the
mortgage
licensing
or
wmt
in
the
nta
help
new
entrepreneurs
with
resources
for
starting
their
businesses
by
connecting
them
with
sbdc
or
heqc
learning
about
processes
or
their
requirements
that
they're
needed,
sometimes
even
translations
generation
services.
For
them.
We
advocated
for
business
owners
to
rtc
washoe
for
some
bus
pools.
F
Transportation
seems
to
be
a
huge
issue
in
the
northern
nevada
territory,
healthcare
companies
for
licensing
and
processes
to
change
and
even
pedestrians
in
chinatown
to
help
business
clients.
We
started
to
compile
some
of
these
issues
which
we
are
encountering
in
preparation
for
the
next
legislative
session.
F
So,
what's
the
future
for
the
osb
we're
hoping
for
with
the
help
of
our
marketing
consultant,
we
would
like
to
continue
to
increase
the
presence
of
the
ospa
in
the
business
ecosystem.
Continue.
Statewide
listening
sessions
as
each
city
area
have
different
needs,
create
a
better
delivery
system
of
resource
information,
continue
to
partner
with
stakeholders
to
keep
on
improving
and
streamlining.
Our
partnership,
hopefully
develop
a
liaison
with
each
department
that
can
help
us
find
solutions,
and
we
would
like
to
continue
our
funding,
hopefully
get
a
bit
more,
so
we
can
hire
more
staff.
G
And
with
that
being
said,
our
website
right
there,
if
you
go
to
the
lieutenant
governor's
website,
any
small
businesses
who
wish
to
gain
assistance
from
some
director
of
anu
and
melissa
can
go
to
our
website.
There's
a
form
on
there
that
will
then
populate
director
bernie's
help
site
on
internet
quorum
to
assist
fallen
businesses.
So
we
encourage
any
small
business
owners
to
reach
out
to
our
office
and
would
love
any
everyone
on
this
committee's
help,
letting
their
stakeholders
and
constituents
know
about
our
existence.
Thank
you,
chair
luke,.
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
very
quickly
say
thank
you
to
our
director
and
michael
and
our
lieutenant
governor.
I
know
I
had
some
small
businesses
who
had
issues,
and
particularly
they
mentioned
one
of
them.
They
were
having
an
issue
with
non-emergency
transportation
services
to
to
get
a
license,
and
they
were
incredibly
helpful.
So
I
just
wanted
to
publicly
say
thank
you
to
them
again.
H
The
only
question
that
I
have
is.
I
know
that
lieutenant
governor
really
invested
in
helping
all
businesses-
and
I
obviously
with
our
directors,
wide
experience.
I
understand
that
they
want
to
help
all
communities.
I
just
wanted
to
maybe
dive
deeper
into
how
you're
helping
businesses
that
I
think
in
the
past
unfortunately
felt
that
that
they
had
issues,
because
maybe
there's
language
barriers
or
businesses
who
are
providing
a
service.
That
maybe
is,
is
not
a
traditional
business
model
or
a
traditional
restaurant
model.
H
Whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
the
entrepreneurial
spirit
is
very
vague
in
immigrant
migrant
communities,
but
because
it's
a
different
approach.
It
takes
a
different
lens
to
really
understand
it,
and
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you've
been
able
to
really
cater
to
to
some
of
these
untraditional
businesses
and
help
them
out
directly.
F
For
the
record
center
video
again
director
of
the
osba,
thank
you
so
much
vice
chair
flores,
my
basically
the
way
I'm
able
to
help
with
that
is
truly
through
my
experience
and
my
connection
with
the
community
in
my
past
role,
there's
a
lot
of
different
resources,
not
only
within
the
state
agencies
but
outside
the
state
agencies
as
well,
that
I
know
that
we
can
tap
on
in
use,
especially
when
it
comes
to
translation
services
and
explaining
to
a
lot
of
these
folks
that
you're
talking
about
exactly
what's
what's
available
for
them,
resource-wise
and
some
of
their
rights
as
business
owners
and
responsibilities
as
business
owners
as
well
translation
services
you
tapped
on
it
is
a
huge
issue
that
we
have
there's
a
lot
of
different,
my
small
business
owners
that
don't
understand
the
processes
so
getting
somebody
in
their
community
that
that
can
help
me
translate
somebody
that
they
can
trust
is
a
huge
factor.
H
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
go
to
senator
neil.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
my
questions
are
and
I'll-
and
I
will
say
I
was
probably
one
of
the
people
who
was
wondering
you
know
how
this
bill
was
going
to
work
in
real
life.
I
I
have
looked
at
the
website
and
thank
you
for
including
nevada
grow
as
one
of
the
resources
out
there
moving
the
needle
for
businesses,
but
I
was
wondering
more
so
like
how
are
you
advocating
at
the
federal
level
in
terms
of
like
business
assistance
and
impediment,
because
two
things
that
I'm
hearing
so
a
lot
of
people
don't
feel
they're
ready
to
pay
back
their
the
loans,
the
federal
loans,
the
eidl
loans
that
they
received
to
the?
I
If
you
notice
recently,
there
was
this
destruction
of
tax
records,
and
now
businesses
are
trying
are
getting
all
these
letters
saying
that
they
haven't
filed
and
there
and
there's
a
need
for.
I
guess
the
federal
to
state
kind
of
advocacy
to
go
on
to
to
navigate
and
narrate
what
is
actually
happening
so
that
they
know
what
to
do
and
how
to
handle
it,
because
they
are
getting
notices
saying
that
they
haven't
paid
and
now
they're
going
back
to
their
accountants
and
saying
you
know.
I
know
I
file
my
taxes.
I
I
It
was
a
cnbc
story,
but
I
also
got
like
a
a
text
message
and,
and
then
I
and
I
had
to
look
it
up
because
I
was
just
like
there's
nothing
on
the
irs
website
that
discusses
it,
but
it
appears
to
be
a
real
thing.
That's
going
on,
and
just
maybe
you
should
just
be
aware
of
it
and
madam
chair
can
have
a
second
follow-up.
Just
really
quick.
I
Please
go
ahead
and
also
you
know
I
have,
I
see
you
know
boed
and
vni
and
secretary
of
state
listed,
but
I
really
want
to
know
how.
How
are
you
guys
coordinating
like
give
me
the
real
life
examples
of
how
the
coordination
is
working
in
real
life
between
the
three
agencies.
F
Sure,
there's
for
the
record
san
diego
again,
director
of
office
of
small
business
advocacy,
so
there's
several
examples
that
I
can
give
you
the
business.
Fair
is
one
that
I
want
to
bring
that
up,
because
that
includes
everybody.
F
So,
of
course,
when
we,
when
we
do
have
a
business
fair,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
there
is
included
so
we've
thrown
out
in
invites
to
a
lot
of
the
different
state
agencies
out
there
that's
available,
so
this
coming
friday,
we're
having
one
at
the
east
side
and
almost
everybody's
represented
there
that
that
can
come.
So
that's
a
minor
example,
but
a
real
life
example
of
how
it
works.
As
far
as
resources
are
concerned,
the
first
one
that
I
can
give
you
is
sbdc
story.
F
So
I
was
also
able
to
connect
them
to
hcqc
and
they
were
able
to
give
them
the
exact
requirements
that
that's
needed
and
then
now
sbdc
is
helping
them
or
guiding
them
towards
taking
care
of
their
business
plan
and
going
through
the
proper
steps
and
going
through
that
road
map
that
the
bi
did
so
like
director
brown
has
mentioned,
I'm
truly
more
of
like
a
conductor
and
just
getting
the
right
resources
in
front
of
the
people
and
depending
on
what
they
need.
H
J
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
mr
cullen
and
mr
venue
for
your
presentation
today.
It
is
exciting
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
office
and
some
of
the
work
that
you've
been
dealing
with.
I
know
that
the
lieutenant
governor's
office
has
done
a
phenomenal
job,
with
outreach
making
sure
that
the
community
is
more
aware
that
they're
there
to
help-
and
you
mentioned
during
the
presentation
today-
that
there
were
some
legislative
recommendations.
J
I
was
just
wondering
like
what
you
could
talk
about
like
what
recommendations
or
what
issues
maybe
you've
seen
come
before
you
the
most
that
you're
looking
for
solutions
for
now.
G
Sure
so,
michael
cohen,
for
the
record
chief
of
staff
to
listen
to
governor
burkhead,
we
will
be
making
more
of
a
formal.
You
know,
recommendation
to
legislative
council.
Eventually
that
being
said
I'll,
let
director
vanilla
kind
of
dive
into
what
he's
seen
so
far.
F
Sure
the
director
sunny
vine
director
of
the
osba
for
the
record,
thank
you,
assemblywoman
taurus.
Just
to
give
you
a
couple
of
examples,
I
think
the
number
one
the
most
requests
that
we're
getting
are
licensing
the
delays
in
different
areas.
So,
for
example,
the
first
one
that
we
had
as
the
vice
chair
flores
mentioned
at
the
nta.
For
example,
there
was
a
delay
in
approval
of
ground
transportation,
licensing
for
a
couple
of
different
businesses
that
came
to
me
and
and
the
the
delays
about
a
year.
F
So
when
you
think
about
it
a
year
delay,
this
business
is
paying
for
that
they
own
already
for
a
year,
a
light,
insurance
and
utilities
for
their
office
and
zero
income.
So
it's
really
taking
a
lot
of
burden
for
them,
so
they
needed
help
moving
that
along
now.
So
that's
one
issue
that
I
see
or
why
the
delay?
Why
so
long?
So
right
now
we're
currently
working
on
that.
The
other
delay
that
we
see
is
in
a
county
fire
marshal.
F
That
seems
to
be
so
under
care
home
owners
it's
taking
over
a
year
to
get
their
license,
the
same
thing
they're
paying
for
mortgage
or
lease
for
that
property,
insurance
and
utilities
for
over
a
year
with
zero
income
that
takes
a
huge
toll.
They
cannot
have
any
pay
and
any
clients
in
there
and
the
biggest
delay
that
we
see
is
a
six
month
backlog
on
the
inspection
for
a
fire
marshal
and
the
other
inspections
cannot
be
done
until
that
is
completed.
F
So
we're
trying
to
see
on
how
we
can
streamline
that
process
and
work
on
that
to
get
that
better
medicaid
delays
not
delay,
but
process
that
we
saw
according
to
their
to
their
rules
and
regulations.
Medicaid,
for
example,
should
be
examining
patients
face
to
face,
however,
because
of
the
pandemic
they've
been
examining
the
patients
by
phone
telehealth.
F
Now
it's
a
little
bit
tricky,
because
a
lot
of
these
clients
that
are
examining
are
for
adult
day
care
needs.
So
these
are
65
and
above
patients
they
really
need
to
be
seen
in
person
instead
of
over
the
phone.
I
I'm
also
looking
at
so
there's
since
that
change.
There
was
a
huge
decline
in
the
number
of
approvals,
so
that's
just
a
preview
of
some
of
the
things
that
we're
seeing
out
there
and
funding
is
another
popular
one.
F
At
least
half
of
our
requests
have
been
more
funding
for
small
businesses,
so
there
you
go
assemblywoman.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I
was
wondering
if,
if
maybe
there
would
be
the
ability
for
you
to
put
together
a
short
white
white
paper
on
this,
just
exactly
what
you're
dealing
with
now,
I'm
typically
representing
a
lot
more
of
the
rurals.
You
know
your
program,
just
you
know
it's
hard
for
us.
I
don't
even
know
where
they
don't
know
where
to
go
to.
I
don't
know
where
to
send
them.
Even
your
contacts.
We
have
the
same
issues.
It's
interesting.
You
talk
about
the
fire
marshal
well
in
most
of
the
rural
communities.
K
It's
again
the
state
fire
marshal
and
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
there's
you
know
they're
struggling
as
well
to
meet
the
needs.
So
I
was
just
curious.
If
there
was
you
know
if
you
could
put
together
a
white
paper
short
white
paper
for
maybe
some
of
us
on
the
committee,
so
I
could
in
an
email
form,
so
I
can
get
it
out
to
when
I
get
a
question
say
hey:
these
are
the
people
who
can
help
you
best.
K
This
is
how
you
access
them,
and
this
is
what
they
can
help
you
with
and
this
typically
you
are.
The
programs-
I
I
you
know
I
realize
you're
in
north
in
the
world-
you
know
they're
just
not
reaching
out
to
you-
I
I
don't
think
they
know
you're
available
and
and
how?
How
do
we
get
there
and
what
can
you
help
them
with.
G
Thank
you,
michael
cullen,
for
the
record.
Thank
you
for
that.
Senator
kokochia,
you
know,
I
think
getting
our
getting
the
word
out
about
our
existence
is
something
that
we're
continually
working
on
and
and
we
would
love
to
to
work
on
that
white
paper
and
send
it
over
to
all
the
members
of
this
committee.
We
also
want
to
actually
get
out
to
some
of
our
rural
counties
in
rural
chambers
and
and
talk
to
some
of
the
small
business
owners
out
there.
A
D
You
man,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
presentation.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
Very
much
for
the
great
information
it's
nice
to
see
you
here
and
I
appreciate
the
good
work.
That's
been
done
out
of
your
office
in
the
just
the
last
few
months.
My
question
is
relative
to
data
I'm
curious
to
know.
D
If
you
have
the
number
of
inquiries
that
have
come
through
that
office
to
date
and
then
do
you
have
a
waiting
list
currently,
are
there
businesses
that
you're
currently
not
able
to
meet
their
needs
and,
as
you've
talked
about
the
desire
to
expand
in
this
office?
I'm
just
curious
to
know
what
is
currently
the
data
load
and
the
average
time
that
you're
spending
per
client.
F
That's
sunny
venue
for
the
record
director
of
osba.
Thank
you,
so
much
assemblywoman
brownmay
good
to
see
you
as
well
as
far
as
the
data
that
can
concern.
We
started
our
outreach
to
the
businesses
before
our
intranet
forum
was
actually
up
and
running,
so
we
do
have
over
60.
However,
there's
a
few
more
there's
a
few
more
that
I
actually
have
to
upload
physically
on
my
own
to
get
their
names
in
there.
A
lot
of
them
came
in
through
emails
because
of
my
connections
with
the
chambers.
F
They
were
just
passing,
my
name
along,
which
is
very
grateful
because
that's
exactly
what
we
would
like,
so
I
will
as
soon
as
we
get
that
updated.
I
will
send
that
data
to
you
as
well.
What
we're
seeing
is
we
definitely
need
help.
F
That's
why
I'm
hoping
that
we
could
get
a
little
bit
more
funding
in
the
future,
so
we
can
hire
a
third
person.
There's
definitely
a
need
for
it
because
we
see
it
as
they
come
in.
Yes,
there
is
a
waiting
list.
I
can
only
get
to
certain
businesses,
but
it
also
depends
on
how
fast
I
can
set
up
a
meeting
with
that
department
or
with
that
board.
That's
that's
available,
so
wait
times
are
bearing
some
of
them
are
easier
than
others.
F
I'll
just
make
a
few
phone
calls
and
we
can
get
it
done,
but
there's
some
that
require
more
research
and
require
more
meetings
with
different
people.
So
it's
important
to
really
have
connections
in
those
areas
and
a
liaison
that
can
really
work
with
our
office.
I
hope
I
answered
that
question.
Thank
you.
D
A
Not
seeing
any
I'll
just
add
there
first
of
all,
yes,
our
gratitude
for
getting
this.
A
A
The
other
thing
that
I
think,
and
I
sort
of
heard,
an
answer
someplace
out
there,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
is
people
don't
know
if
they
need
to
contact
you,
they
have
a
problem
or
they
know
that
their
business
is
kind
of
up
and
running
that
they
could
use
a
little
help.
Is
there
some
kind
of
criteria
or
benchmark
that
they
can
think
about
when
they
are
looking
for
health.
F
For
the
record
sunny
venue
again,
the
director
of
office
of
small
business
advocacy
shared
on
their
loop
at
this
point.
Really
anybody
could
just
have
them.
Call
me
and
I'll
it's
a
lot
easier
for
me
to
determine
how
I
can
help
them.
My
my
role
is
really
to
connect
them
to
the
right
people.
So
if,
if
I'm
the
right,
not
the
right
person
to
help
them,
I
can
definitely
move
them
to
that
person.
So
I
don't
want
them
to
how
do
you
call
that
categorize
themselves?
A
All
right
any
additional
questions
from
the
committee
all
right,
not
seeing
any.
Thank
you
both
for
being
here
with
us
once
again,
thank
you
for
all
you're
doing
for
our
small
businesses.
They
are
the
heart
of
our
towns
and
cities.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
sure
we'll
all
be
in
touch.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
A
So
moving
right
along,
we
will
move
to
agenda
item
number
five:
we're
going
to
receive
a
presentation
regarding
the
cost.
Libraries
must
pay
to
obtain
those
digital
materials.
These
this
issue
was
brought
to
us
brought
to
our
attention
by
ms
julie,
balderson
knight,
she's,
chair
of
the
carson
city
library
board
of
trustees.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'll
be
madame
chair
and
I'll,
be
leaning
on
broadcast
services.
Support
for
getting
those
slides
up.
Thank
you
again,
as,
as
you
said,
thank
you
for
the
introduction.
My
name
is
julie.
C
Balderson
I
serve
as
the
chair
of
the
carson
city
library,
board
of
trustees,
public
library
boards
in
nevada
are
governing
boards,
and
typical
responsibilities
include
establishing
the
mission
and
vision
for
the
library
determining
the
policies
that
are
implemented
to
govern
the
library,
hiring
and
evaluating
the
director
of
the
library
and
overseeing
the
general
management
of
the
library,
which
includes
some
budget
review
as
well.
Board
trustee
positions
are
voluntary
and
appointed
by
municipal
elected
officials,
in
my
case
the
carson
city
board
of
supervisors.
C
Now,
while
I
am
from
carson
city
the
issue,
I'm
raising
for
your
consideration
today
is
actually
a
concern
that
is
shared
across
the
state.
Las
vegas
clark,
county
library,
district,
the
north,
las
vegas
library,
district,
washoe
county
and
the
nevada
library
association
have
all
shared
their
concern,
and
so
you
might
find
that
your
local
library
is
experiencing
this
same
issue.
So
on
this,
moving
on,
oh
you've,
already
moved
on
the
next
slide
perfect.
C
So
I'd
like
to
start
off
by
setting
the
scene
and
offering
up
some
background
on
how
library,
users,
access
electronic
materials
through
our
library,
the
carson
city
library,
uses
a
platform
called
overdrive
to
create
and
maintain
its
digital
book
collection
and
now
the
end
user
component
of
the
overdrive
platform
is
an
app
called
libby.
The
libby
app
is
free
and
available
across
all
the
major
device
operating
systems,
the
user
downloads,
the
app
inputs,
their
library
card
number
and
is
then
allowed
to
access.
C
Ebooks
and
audio
books
from
their
library's
collection
users
can
borrow
renew
or
place
holds
on
electronic
library
materials
through
the
app
when
the
material
is
checked
out,
the
title
is
available
on
the
user's
playlist
within
the
app
when
the
term
is
up.
The
title
is
automatically
removed
from
the
users
playlist,
but
there
are
some
limitations.
C
Electronic
copies
does
not
mean
infinite
copies,
so
these
materials
are
limited
in
the
same
way
that
print
materials
are
in
carson
city.
We
have
about
5100
ebook
titles,
in
our
collection
and
on
average
we
have
four
people
per
title
who
placed
a
hold
and
are
waiting
their
turn
to
access
the
title
in
the
digital
collection.
C
Despite
those
limitations,
there
are
significant
advantages
for
libraries
to
invest
in
developing
their
electronic
collections.
C
This
modality
enables
libraries
to
serve
folks
with
limited
transportation
or
folks
whose
eyesight
requires
larger
fonts
or
audio
formats,
and
also,
of
course,
the
24-hour
access
to
browse
and
check
out
or
placeholds
has
certainly
expanded
access
and,
as
you
might
imagine,
we
have
seen
an
increase
in
demand
for
electronic
materials
that
has
been
sped
up
by
covid
and
gas
prices
now,
but
we
do
not
anticipate
the
demand
to
drop
off
anytime
soon,
since
this
point
of
access
is
just
becoming
increasingly
ubiquitous.
C
C
Over
the
past
decade,
there's
been
a
dramatic
shift
in
how
these
publishers
do
business
when
it
comes
to
electronic
materials
for
libraries,
we've
seen
a
move
to
a
model
where
electronic
titles
can
no
longer
be
purchased
for
perpetual
access,
but
instead
must
be
licensed,
given
the
extremely
durable
nature
of
electronic
materials,
where
there
are
no
physical
pages
that
wear
out
and
no
reason
to
repurchase
material
simply
for
the
sake
of
replacing
worn
out
additions.
There
is
some
logic
to
this.
Assuming
the
costs
of
electronic
materials
are
equitable,
which
brings
me
to
my
next
slide.
C
C
Now
her
data
covers
just
one
year,
but
the
trend
isn't
new.
In
fact,
a
2018
survey
showed
the
average
price
per
copy
of
electronic
materials
has
tripled
in
nine
years
and
at
the
same
time,
licensed
models
have
become
much
more
restrictive.
What
I
mean
by
that
is
that
it's
not
just
the
price
is
going
up.
We're
seeing
publishers
enact
two-month
embargoes
on
all
new
e-book
titles,
meaning
when
a
title
comes
out
as
an
e-book.
It's
not
available
for
a
library
to
even
license
at
triple
the
cost
for
two
months.
C
If
we
can
move
on
to
my
next
slide.
This
is
my
last
slide
so
far.
There
are
a
handful
of
other
states
actively
working
to
address
this
disparity
and
I
hope
nevada
will
join
the
movement
right
now.
There
are
two
strategies
that
have
surfaced:
the
first
being
addressing
the
issue
through
contracting
rules.
C
This
could
entail
setting
some
clear
statutory
definitions,
for
you
know:
publisher,
ebook,
audiobook,
reasonable
terms,
deceptive
practices,
just
for
example,
and
then
directing
that
libraries
may
not
engage
in
agreements
which
are
not
reasonable.
Something
like
that
as
a
trustee.
That
would
be
a
very
handy
tool
in
my
tool
belt
when
we
review
our
budgets
now
the
other
strategy.
C
Some
states
are
floating
is
around
regulating
business
practices
of
publishers,
something
along
the
lines
of
requiring
that
if
a
publisher
sells
a
product
to
the
public
that
the
same
product
must
be
made
available
to
a
public
library
at
the
same
cost
and
frankly,
I'm
not
sure
that
I
can
point
to
any
one
state
that
has
come
up
with
the
best
model
or
even
the
best
model
language
so
far,
and
perhaps
there's
another
angle
to
consider
that
hasn't
been
revealed.
C
Yet
I
I
honestly
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
this
might
be
and
I'm
hoping
that
perhaps
this
is
something
that
you
all
might
consider
or
have
thoughts
or
guidance
that
you
could
share
when
it
comes
to
finding
a
solution
to
this.
I
am
all
ears.
C
This
is
a
big
problem,
but
I
don't
think
it's
unsolvable
and
I
just
would
like
to
close
by
again
thanking
you
for
your
time
and
for
your
attention
and
shout
out
to
broadcast
services
for
your
help,
advancing
my
slides
as
well
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
we
have
let
me
get
the
so
I
can
see
all
of
you
do
we
have
questions.
I
see
assembly,
woman
juarez,
please
go
ahead.
J
J
This
is
an
issue,
that's
really
near
and
dear
to
my
heart
as
an
english
and
reading
teacher,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
been
any
conversation
with
the
school
districts,
because
I
know
that
there's
similar
issues
right
now
with
accessing,
like
e-libraries,
for
our
schools
and
with
online
materials.
Now
like
that,
re-licensing
we've
seen
those
fees
continue
to
go
up.
J
I
mean,
I
think,
postcode
that
has
more
and
more
schools
have
been
dependent
on
online
materials
and,
as
we
have
more
one-to-one
with
chromebooks
and
access
to
digital
within
our
schools.
J
I've
seen
that
there
there's
this
big
shift,
but
we're
having
a
lot
of
issues
with
like
the
pricing
just
going
up
so
programs
like
actually
learn,
have
gone
up
these
libraries
that
schools
maintain
are
going
up,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
could
there's
a
greater
conversation
that
can
be
had
between
both
government
agencies,
if
that's
already
been
had,
because
they
think
that
they
kind
of
work
hand
in
hand
in
this
exact
same
issue.
C
I
have
not
had
any
of
those
types
of
conversations,
I'm
so
glad
that
you
raised
this
issue
and
I'm,
on
the
one
hand,
heartened
to
hear
that
someone
else
is
also
struggling
this
way,
but
also
sad
that
we
have
to
face
this
challenge,
but
I
will
absolutely
pick
that
up
and
and
run
with
it
and
reach
out
to
our
education
partners
and-
and
maybe
there
is
some
solution
there
in
terms
of
some
kind
of
collective
bargain,
some
kind
of
joint
contract
or
or
what
have
you.
So.
A
Thank
you.
Yes,
as
as
a
former
school
librarian
who
purchased
books
and
then
went
to
digi
cds
and
then
went
to
digital,
I
I
appreciate
that
my
suspicion
is,
unfortunately,
the
school
district
does
their
rfps
separate
from
the
county
rfps,
and
so,
while
the
conversation
could
be
had,
I
kind
of
feel,
like
you
know,
it's
the
old,
never
the
two
shall
meet
because
separate
entities
with
separate
funding
structures,
but
that
would
be
a
good
conversation
to
have
senator
kneel
go
ahead.
Please.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
thank
you
for
putting
this
on
the
agenda.
Madam
chair,
I
got
excited.
I
was
like
what
okay,
so
I
have
a
couple
questions
so
for
the
licensing
fees.
How
much
typically
are
the
licensing
fee.
C
Julie
balderson
night
for
the
record,
we're
looking
at
about
triple
why?
What
what
we're
paying
and
the
thing
is
here,
it's
per
title,
and
so
what
libraries
have
been
doing
across
the
state
is
we've
just
had
to
make
kind
of
judgment
calls
in
our
collections
development
with
our
pot
of
money,
for
what
we're
going
to
purchase
in
terms
of
materials.
C
Now,
as
as
I
said
in
my
presentation,
the
dollars
just
do
not
go
nearly
as
far
when
it
comes
to
purchasing
electronic
materials.
That's
not
the
only
way
to
do
it.
Some
libraries
across
the
state
have
opted
to
not
purchase
any
new
print
materials
and
have
put
whatever
they
have
in
collection,
development,
budget
100
toward
electronic
materials.
C
I
Okay,
so
madame
here,
can
I
ask
another
follow-up
because
he's
go
ahead.
I'm
super
interested
number
one
in
regulating
the
market
and
then
the
other
piece
that
you
talked
about,
but
so
in
my
digital
goods
journey
which
has
been
going
on
since
2019.,
I
did
notice
that
there
was
an
equity
in
terms
of
the
digital
good
versus
the
tangible
right,
and
then
there
needed
to
be
a
conversation
about
parody
right
around
pricing,
which
then
puts
us
in
a
whole.
I
It
puts
us
in
another
world
of
you
know
it's
another
set
of
statues,
I'll
just
say
that.
But
what
I
wanted
to
know
is
in
if
you
were
to
grow
your
electronic
collection.
I
What
would
be
the
universe
that
you
would
even
have
access
to,
because
what
I
heard
was
they
are
monopolizing
the
the
how
the
titles
actually
come
out
and
so
they're
controlling
the
market
in
a
way
where
you
know
you
only
get
a
bite
at
the
apple
for
these
two
months
or
you
have
to
wait
so
they
they
build
up
this
interest.
So
then
basically
you're
paying
more.
I
So
even
if
you
grew
the
collection,
would
you
then
still
have?
Would
you
have
access
to
twenty
thousand
or
would
that
then
be
staggered
because
of
the
publisher's
behavior.
C
And
thank
you
for
the
question.
I'm
julie
balderson
tonight
for
the
record.
It's
the
latter.
Unfortunately,
even
even
if
we
do
spend
all
that
we
can
and
grow
that
electronic
collections.
These
terms
are,
in
my
judgment,
unreasonable,
but
that
is
what
we
have
to
deal
with.
Like
you
said,
without
some
type
of
regulation
in
the
market,
I
I
would
say
that
we
would
be
getting
about
more
of
the
same
meaning
that
embargoed
access
would
still
be
there
and
the
high
cost
would
still
be
there
as
well.
I
That's
what
you're
asking
for
that's
what
I'm
hearing,
which
puts
us
in
right
that
that's!
That's
exactly
what
I
heard.
So
you
want
the
state
procurement
office
to
engage
in
developing
a
price
constraint
type
of
legislation.
C
Yes,
absolutely
so
julie,
baller,
sending
it
for
the
record
when
it
comes
to
com
procurement
and
the
contracting
piece
you
you've
knit
it
you've
hit
it
right
on
the
head
there.
It
really
would
come
down
to
having
some
type
of
definition
of
what
is
reasonable.
What
is
a
deceptive
practice
and
saying:
hey?
Look
library,
you
are
not
allowed
to
contract
with
folks
who
engage
in
these
types
of
practices
that
sort
of
thing
now,
if
you
were
to
go
the
other
way,
though,
back
to
the
market
regulation
piece
we
do.
C
We
do
have
one
case
example
right
now
with
maryland,
who
attempted
that
they,
they
passed
the
law
pretty
much
attempting
to
regulate
the
market.
That
said,
look
if
you
publisher
are
going
to
be
selling
an
electronic
material
to
the
public
at
a
cost.
You
need
to
offer
that
same
material
to
public
libraries
at
the
same
cost
that
that
law
ended
up
going
to
court.
C
The
publishers
argued
that
the
way
the
the
language
in
the
law
was
written,
forced
publishers
to
sell
where
they
didn't
necessarily
have
to
sell
and,
and
ultimately,
while
the
court
said
that
they
agreed
with
the
spirit
of
the
law,
they
didn't
necessarily
agree
with
the
way
it
was
worded,
and
so
they
they
ruled
on
the
side
of
the
publishers
on
that
one.
So
that's
a
that's
a
needle
to
be
threaded,
so
yeah
I
mean
in
terms
of
where
I
would
probably
want
to
go
me
personally.
C
I
think,
even
though
it's
it's
an
undertaking,
it
still
might
be
easier
to
focus
on
the
contracting
the
procurement
end
of
things.
If
we
do
want
to
reach
into
the
market
regulation
piece,
I'm
I
would
be
happy
to
see
the
bold
action,
I'm
not
necessarily
confident
that
we
wouldn't
meet
the
same
demise.
Ultimately,
that
maryland
did.
I
Well,
I
appreciate
that,
if
you
could
share
that
case,
that
would
be
super
helpful,
madam
chair.
If
this
is
something
that
you
plan
on
researching
and
going
deep,
I'm
all
in
okay.
A
Good
to
know
good
to
know,
we
have
a
cheerleader
for
the
cause.
Additional
questions
from
the
committee.
A
If
I'm
not
seeing
you
holler
out,
but
I
don't
think
I
see
any
so
miss
balderson
did
I
did
I
miss
it.
When
can
you
give
us
like
an
example
of
a
I
don't
know,
I'm
gonna
get
a
cookbook
if
I'm
gonna
get
a
summer
read
if
I'm
gonna
get
something
that's
on
the
shelves
now
at
barnes,
noble
the
library,
and
it
might
even
be
something
that
I
would
be
looking
for
anywhere
else.
A
C
I
would
say
the
average
book
prices
you
have
a
suggested
retail
price
which
comes
from
the
publishers,
a
print
material
like
you're,
saying
something
new
coming
out
a
breath.
Seller
you're
looking
at
about
no
24,
is
what
the
suggested
retail
price
would
be
and
if
you
wanted
to
purchase
that
on,
like
amazon
it'd
be
a
little
bit
cheaper
about
16.
C
C
if
you
wanted
that
same
best-selling
title
in
an
audiobook
format,
it's
more
expensive
on
both
ends,
so
on
amazon
you'd
be
looking
about
27,
but
the
library
would
be
looking
at
69.
A
Sure
sure,
and
and
just
for
I
don't
know
this
matters
a
lot,
but
just
for
fyi
information-
I
guess
the
books
that
you
buy
in
a
store
in
a
barnes
and
noble
might
have
a
different
binding
than
a
library
binding,
because
a
library
binding
always
has
a
heavier
binding
because
of
course,
more
people
use.
It.
That's
been
my
experience
as
a
school
person,
but
the
disparity
between
the
ebook
like
on
buying
the
ebook
for
my
kindle
versus
the
library
buying.
A
It
is
quite
large,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
the
difference
is,
but
because
I
can
see
it
in
a
book,
but
I'm
confused
about
it.
I
You
know
when
the
attorney
general
ford
did
the
price
gouging
during
the
price
statute
during
the
covid,
the
shutdown
there
might
be
language
in
there.
That
I
think,
may
assist
that.
I
think
you
should
take
a
look
at
because
he
touched
on
price
constraints
that
may
have
been
derived
from
the
shutdown
which
may
have
created
this
relationship
that
they're
having
right
now
with
digital
goods
and
them
overpricing
it,
because
it's
like
a
it's
like
a
extreme
markup.
I
C
A
Idea,
senator
all
right
any
additional
questions.
I
yeah
this
topic
is
just
really
interesting,
because
so
many
people
are
now
using
ebooks
and
it's
even
even
within
our
schools,
because
we
have
online
schools.
So
we
have
different
things
like
that
hybrids
and
all
kinds
of
things
going
on.
So
absolutely.
B
B
B
Could
this
have
something
to
do
with
the
fact
that
so
you
might
share
your
book
on
your
kindle
with
a
friend,
maybe
or
maybe
two,
but
a
library
version
is
going
to
go
to
possibly
hundreds
of
people,
so
so
the
publisher
loses
money
on
sales
on
these
books.
Could
that
be
the
reason
for
the
difference
in
the
price.
A
B
C
Miss
balderson
knight,
thank
you
very
much,
there's
a
couple
pieces
to
consider
there.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
You
know
it's
interesting.
C
First
of
all,
there
have
been
some
studies
that
would
suggest
that
accessing
materials
at
a
public
library
for
some
folks
actually
functions
as
a
test
drive
and
folks
tend
to
purchase
the
title
after
they've
read
it
at
the
library
if
they
liked
it
so
much
they'll
they'll
go
ahead
and
purchase
it,
but
the
other
piece,
though
too,
is
you
make
an
excellent
point
that
the
life
cycle
of
an
electronic
material
absolutely
eclipses
a
print
material.
So
what
you
might
see
with
print
materials
is
that
they
wear
out.
C
C
C
Usually
I
think
you
know
it
could
be
a
year
one
year,
two
year,
three
year
kind
of
lease,
so
the
the
solve
for
that
has
been
to
switch
from
purchasing
to
licensing.
C
C
A
J
No,
I
just
I.
I
hope
that
that's
a
consideration.
I
I'm
happy
to
work
on
this,
as
some
senator
neil's
already
excited
about
it,
and
I'm
excited
about
it
too,
because
it's
definitely
an
issue,
that's
impacting
our
library
system,
but
I
know
it's
impacting
our
schools
as
well,
and
so,
if
we
can
make
one
bill
that
addresses
both
issues,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
all
of
us.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
right
well
see
no
more
questions,
ms
balderson
knight,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
information.
I'm
sure
that
for
sure
we
know
where
you
work.
So,
if
we
have
additional
things
to
follow
up
with,
we
will
make
sure
and
reach
out.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
Well,
next,
our
agenda
item
number
six
is
our
second
round
of
public
comment.
So
if
you're
listening
online
and
would
like
to
provide
public
comment,
please
call
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A
Nine
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and
then
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town,
please
remember
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state
and
spell
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name
and
limit
the
comments
to
three
minutes.
Staff
will
be
timing,
each
speaker
so
that
we
can
give
everyone
a
fair
opportunity
and
with
that
we'll
open
public
comment
and
is
there
anyone
in
carson
city
or
las
vegas.
A
Okay,
not
seeing
anyone
or
hearing
anyone,
we
will
go
to
the
phones
broadcasting
go
ahead
when
you're
ready.
H
B
Oh
thank
you
good
morning,
madam
chair
and
vice
chair.
This
is
dora
martinez.
I
represent
the
nevada
disability
peer
action
coalition.
Appreciate
you
listening
to
my
public
comment.
I
just
want
to
say
I
really
do
support
the
librarian.
B
With
the
pandemic.
Going
on,
my
son
had
to
look
for
a
david
copperfield
and
the
electronic
version.
We
couldn't
find
it
the
nearest
one
near
us,
the
library
near
us,
so
we
went
online
and
we
found
it
in
spanish
springs
and
he
had
it
and
for
his
gt
class.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
this
if
it
becomes
a
bill
and
regulate
the
prices.
I
love
our
libraries
and
I
appreciate
all
of
you
and
have
a
great
week
and
thank
you.
B
A
Okay,
we
will
wait
just
for
a
minute
and
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
anybody
waiting
in
the
wings.
A
All
righty,
I
appreciate
it
and
are
there
any
comments
from
the
members
before
we
will
adjourn.
A
Thank
you
short
and
sweet
and
sweet,
and
that
was
that
was
certainly
the
virtual
part
of
this
was
we
knew
it
would
be
a
short
senator.
Okay,
please
go
ahead.
K
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
just
as
pertaining
to
the
white
white
paper
from
the
small
business
advocacy
group
in
that,
if
they
could
kind
of
put
in
that
white
paper
paper,
just
their
definition
of
what
a
small
business
is
as
well,
and
you
know
you
know
the
more
information
I
have
the
better
it's
going
to
be
for
me,
and
I
assume
that's
the
other
members
as
well.
A
A
If
there's
any
additional
comments-
and
I
don't
see
you
please
reach
out
not
seeing
any
we're
currently
looking
to
schedule,
a
final
meeting
in
august
staff
will
reach
out
to
check
on
availability
for
a
possible
meeting
date,
and
that
concludes
our
business
for
today
and
with
no
more
comments.
We
are
adjourned.