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A
Okay,
welcome
everybody.
This
is
the
fourth
Nyx's
marketing
meeting
where
we
discuss
marketing
in
excess.
Before
we
start,
we
should
remind
ourselves
why
what
we
are
here
and
how
do
we
work?
Please
be
polite
to
everybody.
You
know
everybody
ideas
are
different
and
most
most
of
the
time
we
actually
agree
with
each
other.
We
doesn't
know
how
to
express
it.
A
A
Also,
let's
talk
not
how
to
do
it
exactly
specifics,
but
more
in
like
why
we're
doing
it
also
important
for
the.
Why,
for
posterity
reasons,
except
if
we
get
really
to
the
topics
new
thing
which
we
were
guilty
in
previous
meetings,
we
were
a
lot
of
times
discussing
specifics
and
trying
to
come
up
with
a
with
a
conclusion
to
the
solution
that
we
are
we're
discussing.
A
This
is
it.
There
is
one
thing
which
came
up
in
the
last
in
the
last
two
weeks.
There
was
never
a
bit
I
mean
it
was,
but
it
was
not
in
a
clear
way,
shirt
the
rough
road
map,
how
we
gonna,
how
we're
kind
of
splitting
the
work
and
when
we
are
doing
what
so
without
any
agenda
item,
I
would
open
just
to
give
us
a
framework
in
what
we
are
working
in.
A
Of
course
we,
this
is
open
for
a
discussion,
but
it's
quite
broad
and
we
might
agree
upon
it,
it's
just
to
split
in
chunks.
So
as
a
marketing
team,
we
cannot
fix
everything
at
once,
although
we
are
quite
a
big
team,
so
there
is
a
big
redesign
coming
of
Nick
sweat.
This
is
coming.
We
don't
know
when,
but
we
know
it's
coming
this
year,
or
at
least
we
wouldn't
have
the
exact
date.
We
still
need
to
talk
about
it.
A
A
But
what
tools
are
we
going
to
use
what
you
name
it
all
the
things
we
need
to
decide.
Everything
is
on
the
table
to
be
decided
upon,
but
this
later
right.
So
most
importantly,
if
you
do
any
changes
to
the
website,
please
know
that,
like
any
technical
website,
changes
to
the
website
might
go
away
most
likely
right.
So,
if
you
find
yourself
really
digging
too
hard
into
the
problem
might
be
better
to
just
kind
of
create
a
ticket
describe
it
and
have
it
be
there
for
the
future.
When
we
are
talking
about
the
website,.
A
A
Okay,
so
there
is
so
this
is
so
the
short-term.
There
are
few
things
that
were
designing
redesigning.
We
would
like
redesigning
the
front
and
I
would
actually
maybe
start
with
Graham,
because
you
invited
somebody
to
join
us
for
this
meeting,
and
maybe
this
would
be
a
opening
topic
still
not
on
an
agenda
but
we'll
come
to
it
we'll
give
another
10-15
minutes
for
this
topic
are.
B
A
A
Yeah
I
would
like
you
to
just
shortly.
Introduce
yourself,
like
you
know,
just
a
sentence
or
two:
you
already
send
the
invitation
description,
so
we
all
read
it,
but
it's
nice
for
those
listening
to
the
recording
to
get
to
know
you
I'll
go
by
so
Dom
on
your
first
sorry,
I'll
go
by
the
order,
alphabetical.
D
Hi,
you
can
blame
the
day,
61
folks
I'm
in
a
couple
years
back
going
into
their
introduction
to
high
school
course,
and
everything
was
using
Nick
shell
is
that
true
I'm
a
bit
of
an
operating
system
nerd,
what
the
heck
wizardry
is.
This
I
was
meant
to
turn
up
to
learn.
High
school
I
ended
up
learning,
Nick's
and
then
Nick's
OS.
It's
spent
three
days
hacking
on
Nick's
OS,
then,
when
years
later,
I'm
here
I've
had
a
lot
of
long
talks
with
people
about
marketing
and
image.
I.
D
A
E
Yeah
I'm
professional
Python
programmer
found
Nick's
when
I
was
trying
to
just
improve
my
dot
files
and
I've,
been
using
Linux
a
long
time
and
always
looking
for
the
best
way
to
you
know
reproduce
my
development,
environment
and
well.
Obviously,
you
guys
know,
there's
pretty
much
nothing
better
than
Nick's
for
that
now
so
I'm
sold
and
I'm
pretty
interested
to
see
how
I
can
help.
A
B
B
B
Cool,
so
there's
probably
a
couple
years
ago,
maybe
Dustin
was
telling
me
about
early
days
of
docker
and
how
he
was
how
they
they
set
up.
This,
like
fake
docker,
shell,
that
they
could
on
a
web
page
where
people
could
go
play
with
docker
on
a
web
page
and
they
recorded
like
all
these
sessions
and
when
recorded
when
people
went
wrong
to
and
review
reviewed
that
to
make
and
hone
the
inner,
the
user
interface
of
docker
to
match
what
people
were
expecting
it
and
make
it
less
surprising.
B
In
general,
he's
he
and
I
have
talked
regularly
over
the
past
long
time
about
marketing
things.
So
I
think
he's
he's
definitely
been
interested
in
has
some
good
ideas
and
some
experience
in
the
area.
So
that's
something
I'd
love
to
do
find
a
way
to
get
people
into
an
environment
with
NYX
where
they
can
experiment
with
it,
with
their
permission,
of
course,
record
what
they're
doing
and
and
and
where
things
go
off
the
rails.
I
think
that'd
be
some
huge
market
research
there,
like
user
experience,
research.
E
E
One
of
the
interesting
discussions
inside
the
company
was
that
you
know
people
on
Hacker
News
would
complain
very
loudly
about
certain
aspects
of
how
the
CLI
worked,
but
we
had
the
data
that
showed
that
people
were
trying
to
use
it
this
way,
and
so
it
was
kind
of
hard
to
like
without
like
showing
all
of
that
data,
because
that's
not
something
they
were
interested
in
doing,
but
without
showing
all
that
data.
It
was
hard
to.
You
know,
get
out
there
and
argue
back.
You
know,
look
you.
E
You
know
what
you're
saying
you're
making
a
great
argument,
but
we
have
all
these
users
who,
like
expect
it
to
work
this
way,
and
so
that's
why
we've
MIT
that
way.
If
that
argument
on
Hacker
News,
you
know
and
reddit
was
never
worth
having
in
public,
but
that's
the
discussion
that
was
happening
internally.
A
E
B
E
Wasn't
actually
docker,
it
was
like
this
whole
just
facade
with,
and
you
know
in
doing
that
he
was
able
to.
You
know,
put
his
instrumentation
into
the
implementation
and
that's
how
he
was
able
to
get
all
this
data
and,
like
you
know,
know
that
someone
was
trying
one
thing
and
then
failed
or
whatever
at
what
maybe
I
don't
know
exactly
how
it
worked.
I,
never
looked
exactly
at
the
code,
but
what
they
were
able
to
do
was
pull
a
bunch
of
metrics
out
of
that
and
put
it
into
I.
E
Don't
know
if
it
was
profound
they'll
put
it
into
graphs
and
you
know
show
like
look
at
this
point
in
the
tutorial.
Basically,
eighty
percent
of
the
people
are
gone,
so
you
know
like
let's
look
at
what's
happening
here.
You
know.
Is
there
something
we
can
say
differently
that
keeps
people
going
you
know
or
what's
going
on
here.
B
A
E
Once
they
started
getting
metrics
out
like
the
company
itself
was
like
okay
yeah.
We
definitely
want
to
keep
you
working
on
that.
Well,
we're
actually
gonna
have
other
people
in
the
metrics
team
work
with
you
so
that
they
can
create
reports
from
the
data
that
you're
getting
out.
So
you
have
to
focus
on
that.
F
Be
interesting
to
define
what
a
minimal
prototype
with
like
the
bare-bones
features
that
I
could
possibly
give
us
some
useful
data
of
that
would
look
like
with
Nix
to
think
through
that
and
then
probably
have
a
better
estimate
of
whether
it's
realistic
for
us
to
try
establishing
something
like
that.
Grandma's.
A
G
A
A
H
H
That's
all
not
really
community
topics,
but
then
here's
a
discourse
forum,
I,
see
blogs,
Meetup,
that's
community
things,
so
I
created
this
community
page
with
which
has
all
these
places
where
people
can
go
to
meet
other
people
from
the
community
and
talk
to
them
and
discuss
the
development
and
I.
Think
it's
really
great
to
have
all
this
on
my
screen.
E
D
You
because,
when
someone
goes
through
the
community
page,
but
there
actually
offers
the
human
element
like
I
got
involved
because
I
met
a
human
if
I
get
dumped
with
a
whole
wall
of
technical
things,
I'm
gonna
get
involved.
I
may
not
have
the
decision
to
get
involved,
so
this
is
be
kind
of
always
an
emotional
one.
So
this
page
needs
to
be
like
kind
of
like
emotional
support
or
emotional
things.
So.
D
A
H
A
A
D
D
H
H
A
Just
before
we
go
to
the
contribution
guide,
there
is
one
thing
I'd
like
to
discuss
regarding
the
donation,
especially
going
forward
if
our
AWS
account
gets
that
we'll
have
to
cover
it
start,
covering
mostly
from
the
foundation
like.
We
need
to
be
thinking
a
bit
ahead,
how
we
can
do
it
better
in
attracting
the
donate
at
least
having
a
plan.
When
that
happens,
how
can
we
derive
more
donation
that
could
actually,
in
the
future,
cover,
hopefully
our
cost,
and
what
would
those
items
be?
A
H
D
People
will
donate
because
they
want
those
essentially
to
get
something
out
of
it
right
and
by
displaying
their
avatar
there
they're
getting
something
out
of
especially
circular
accompany
there's
a
lot
of
nap.
So
there's
a
lot
of
narrative
right
now
about
how
you
can
actually
do
Kickstarter
type
or
open
collective
typing
and
what
type
of
services
you
offer
for
companies.
It's
really
simple.
D
For
example,
webpack
many
years
back
and
I
discovered
that
well
to
sponsor
a
conference
is
what
men
spend
longer
times
50k,
but
like
that's
nothing
to
our
company.
That's
everything
to
us,
specially
I!
Don't
bill
coming
up,
but
like
50k,
you
can
drop
it
instead
of
it
being
on
like
a
2
or
3
day
event,
where
there's
a
limit
of
maybe
a
thousand
attendees,
and
when
they
disappeared,
you
can.
You
can
have
your
brand
in
the
documentation.
D
I,
don't
know
how
people
feel
about
this,
but
that
has
been
their
road
to
success,
and
that
is
essentially
why
they're
at
the
when
I
last
interviewed
remotes
like
400,000
us
a
year.
Basically,
companies
just
realized
in
making
hire
brilliant
engineers
who
are
looking
at
that
documentation
every
day.
Its
current
the
stock
overflow
approach
for
their
business
model
of
marketing
so
yeah
framing
it
right
is
very
important.
Maybe.
A
Going
like
there
is
because
you
said
what
do
they
get,
but
there's
somebody
that
donates
gets
out
of
it.
I
think
there
is
a
exactly
what
they're
paying
for
it
would
be.
Almost
90
percent
would
be
the
binary
cash
right
and
that's
like
a
huge
proposition
I
would
maybe
ask
Elka
how
would
fundation
feel
about
exposing
some
of
this
information
of
where
the
money
gets
spent
or
what's
the
position
if.
A
I
I
We
know
what
our
expenses
are,
but
they're
not
done
via
open
collective,
so
we
manually
need
to
put
them
in
in
hopeful
collective,
so
we
pay,
for
example,
Hetzler
of
several
heads,
no
machines,
but
yeah
that's
done,
fly
out
the
credit
card
of
the
foundation.
So
it's
not
directly
connected
to
open
collective.
J
D
A
A
A
H
H
A
I'll
take
a
bit
of
a
blame
for
the
positioning
of
this
and
calling
it
a
guide.
It
might
turn
out
to
be
a
guide,
but
I
wanted
to
have
a
place
where
we
can
start
collecting
interesting,
like
beginner
friendly
instructions,
how
to
work
with
needs
and
being
target
being
the
beginners
the
website,
the
target
audience
being
the
beginners
more.
That's
why
we
chose
to
put
it
above
the
reference
manuals
so
to
say
yes,.
H
A
H
The
topic:
what
guides
do
we
want
should
only
be
user
guides
are
also
contributors
guide.
For
example,
I
have
done
a
back
part
last
week
and
I
have
looked
at
the
documentation
and
it
was
not
really
clear
how
to
do
it.
So
I
had
done
some
research
and
updated
the
documentation,
and
it's
good
now,
but
I
thought
should
that
also
be
a
guide,
how
to
beg
for
things
or
is
that
too
technical
for
a
guide,
I.
I
K
K
These
are
things
they
all
to
contribute:
how
to
backport
that
are
already
part
of
the
documentation,
but
it's
part
of
the
LCN
documentation
that
we
have
into
one
big
page.
This
probably
would
be
help
if
we
could
revise
how
it's
built
up,
how
it's
being
maintained
so
that
we
have
distinct
pages
and
those
are
brought
back
into
the
guide
section,
not
sure
if
I
make.
If
I'm
here.
A
K
Yeah
and
it's
it's
about
the
way
we
currently
have
one
huge
page
to
contribute
into
the
information
for
the
backports
is
already
in
the
in
the
manual.
It's
not
it's,
not
necessarily
great
I
think
it's
been
improved
from
that
from
what
David
just
did,
but
this
these
should
be
distinct
pages,
so
we
can
so
it's
all
the
documentation
is,
should
be
separated
into
distinct
topics,
and
these
guys
should
be
topics
part
of
the
documentation
that
maybe
Ritter
it's
my
points.
Mercury.
D
A
A
K
Sorry,
I
wasn't
really
directed
at
saying
it
upfront,
but
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
that,
yes,
we
want
to
it's
great
to
rewrite
those
as
part
of
the
website,
because
we
can
do
it,
but
this
should
be
kept
in
mind
that
they
should
be
in
the
documentation
instead
of
being
a
website
artifact.
In
my
opinion,.
A
I
think,
as
we
go
further
right,
we
will
see
that
what
is
actually
needed
and
we
can
test
it
and
I
hope,
especially
now
the
dome
enjoined
there
will
be
more
guides
because
I
think
he's
talking
about
writing
the
guide.
Many
of
them
for
quite
some
time
and
I
think
maybe
dome
and
you
can
take
like
what
would
you
expect
from
which
guide
with
you
had
some
idea
so
I'm
gonna.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I
have
a
couple
of
guys
that
I
want
to
write
all
right,
I,
think
they're
more
like
tutorials,
but
I,
don't
know
which
one
is
really.
Next,
the
the
there
is
a
bunch
of
common
ones
that
people
ask
all
the
time.
One
is
I
think
that
installation
of
mixer
should
be
probably
extracted
into
a
tutorial.
C
C
A
C
A
F
Just
wanted
to
find
out
since
I
don't
measure
all
those
points,
the
dev
environment
and
the
docker
story
is
something
that
I
tried
addressing
also
in
this
QuickStart
guide.
That
I
mentioned
in
the
in
the
agenda,
not
sure
whether
everybody
had
look
at
this,
but
we're
coming
to
that
later.
Maybe
on
those
time
permits
so
yeah,
it's
may
be
interesting
to
see
whether
this
could
be
a
first
iteration.
F
A
Maybe
at
this
point
close
with
the
thing
that
whoever
is
interesting
in
kind
of
this
guide,
maybe
work
together
with
Edward
to
kind
of
refine
the
current
proposal
that
you
have
and
you
know
from
there
you
can
propose
more
guides
and
you
know
provide
the
system
where
we
can
say
like.
Oh,
this
is
needed
when
we
see
that
somebody's
lost
we
can
just
write.
Okay,
is
this
something
that
we
would
like
to
spend
time
on?
So
this
is
the
topic.
A
A
There
we
go,
it
was
already
a
discussion
on
the
channel.
There
we
go
so
design
is
not
there
and
it
doesn't
work
on
mobile,
but
there
are
few
things
that
need
to
be
still
done
shortly.
There
are
two
paragraphs,
one
is
about
the
package
manager,
the
other
one
is
about
distribution.
A
This
is
what
I
get,
and
maybe
that
should
be
like
this
is
this
is
the
reality,
and
so
we
have
developed
on
the
left
two
examples
of
Nick
shell
on
the
right:
how
to
actually
create
a
simple
shell
and
then
can
enter
it
and
commit
that
file
so
on
the
first
page,
I'm
already
showing
Nick's
the
language
which
very
soon
also
every
newcomer
that
tries
to
work
with
Nick's
ends
up
and
then
on
the
left
side.
So
the
build
part.
It's
like
it's
still
missing
that.
A
A
So
this
is
the
building
and
then
the
deploying
is,
and
the
deploying
part
is
more
so
one
side
is
going
to
be
about
Nick's.
Ups,
like
a
simple
example,
I
think
that's
the
easiest
way
to
deploy
now
with
Nick's
I
think
now
we
can
change
for
something
else,
and
the
left
side
is
either
integration.
How
we
it's
basically
like
the
Nick's
builds
integrate
with
with
your
deployment
stories,
are,
there
is
integrating
with
the
CI
or
terraform
and
so
on
and
so
on.
So
that's
the
current
vision
and.
D
I'm
not
looking
at
the
particular
language
but
I
think
that
both
Nicks
and
XO
s,
some
philosophical
commonalities
in
their
beliefs
and
there's
no
reason
why
either
has
to
take
a
downside.
I
like
a
backseater
blow
event,
but
we
just
highlight
the
beliefs
like
reproducible,
builds
and
deployments,
is
huge.
D
Productivity
is
a
thing
that
we
haven't
mentioned
here,
because
we've
got
binary.
Caching,
we've
got
source
and
binary
substitutability,
so
there's
big
features
and
benefits
were
not
highlighting,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
other
tenants
that
could
take
like
a
front
seat
over
than
the
actual
individual
technology,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
clarify
Nixon
mixer
as
somewhere
very
above
the
fault.
What
the
difference
is.
A
I
think
maybe
the
back
story
about.
Why,
then,
why
we
actually
why
I
actually
chose
the
nexus?
We
decided
like
it's
confusing
to
people.
You
are
on
the
Nick
source
website,
you
talk
for
Nick's
package
manager
and
then
like
there
is
an
excise
package
and
there
is
a
mixed
language.
It's
it's
confusing,
especially
to
everybody.
I
introduced
this
like
it's.
It
was
always
confusing
the
and
I.
Don't
think
there
is
a
easy
way
out
from
this.
D
Unless
we
create
this
narrative
that,
yes,
it
is
the
Knicks
OS
package
manager'
and
the
Knicks
OS
package
manager
runs
on
all
the
different
operating
systems,
but
like
really
like
eventually
you'll
realize
those
other
operating
systems
could
be
done
better.
So
you
upgrade
to
Nix
OS
in
time,
but
we're
going
to
force
it
upon
you,
Nix
OS
package
manager
works
on
all
distributions
and
different
architectures.
D
A
B
H
I
H
I
E
Gonna
say
I
like
to
present
it
in
the
opposite
way
like
looking
at
these
two
paragraphs.
If
this
is
gonna,
be
the
first
thing
that
people
see
I,
think
we
could
shorten
this
down
to
just
two
sentences
right
like
Nix,
is
a
modern
package
manager
with
serious
reproducibility
guarantees
and
then
the
next
blah
blah
mix.
Os
is
a
flavor
of
Linux
that
uses
Nix
to
its
folk,
with
full
potential
exclamation
point,
and
now
you've
communicated
the
point
without
being
so
accurate
in
your
blurb,
like
the
blurbs
are
overtly
you're.
It.
I
This
is
basically
what
the
current
home
page
says.
So,
there's
two
paragraphs:
what
is
NYX
NYX
is
a
powerful
package
manager
for
Linux
and
other
unix-like
and
spare
Agresso
to
the
right
of
it.
What
is
NYX
West
Nyx's
the
Linux
distribution,
build
on
top
of
the
next
package
manager,
and
then
it
says
things
about
the
properties
that
are
nice.
I
mean
I.
D
My
waking
board
that's
going
around
around
is
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
copywriting.
We
can
actually
use
money
to
actually
hire
a
copywriter
and
get
them
to
really
look
into
the
emotional
side
of
it.
Yes,
we're
being
very
precise
and
precision
is
very
important
to
us,
but
like
on
the
front
page,
it's
it's.
Is
it
a
remote?
It's
probably
an
emotional
message.
You
want
to
convey
and
we've
got
the
best
articulated
note.
Those
type
of
things.
A
Just
one
thing:
this
is
not
not
any
emotional
thing,
but
it's
like
the
so
true
I
think
with
the
whole
copywriting.
Yes,
we
should
do
it
if
we
get
the
money
and
how
much
it
I
don't
even
know
how
much
it
cost,
but
one
thing
we
can
discuss
is
Nick's
or
Nick.
So
as
I
think
for
me
this
is
comfy
notice
that
this
is
a
gets
confused
by
a
lot
of
them
by
a
lot
of
newcomers
and
I.
A
I
Something
that
comes
later
but
I
mean
it's
something.
Maybe
you
could
mention
it
under
the
deploy
example
here,
so
so,
you've
developed
and
you've
built
your
application
now,
you're
deploying
it
and
one
of
the
ways
you
could
deploy.
It
is
as
say,
I
am
running,
NICs
OS,
but
so
that
D
emphasizes
the
next
OS
aspect.
H
E
There's
a
new
package
manager
as
really
great
reproduced
care,
who's,
reproducibility
guarantees
and
whatever
we
want
to
show
on
that
website
and
then
you
can,
off
to
the
side,
say:
try
nick's
OS
an
operating
system
made.
You
know
like
we
were
just
saying
made
to
put
it
to
its
full
potential
and
then
Nick's
becomes
our
actual
product
focus.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
limit
ourselves
in
any
way
to
just
Nick's
OS.
That
is
more
of
like
a
proving
ground
for
just
how
good
mix
can
be,
but
we
don't
wanna.
E
I
Yeah
I
agree
with
that,
so
ideally
we
would
have
NYX
dot
IO
or
something
like
that
and
mix.
Os
would
just
be
a
page
underneath
that
so
basically
the
inverse
of
what
we
currently
have
well,
we
have
mixed
so
I
still
org,
slash
Nicks,
but
that
that's
only
because
Nick
so
Esther
org
was
available
when
next
door
was
not.
A
If
somebody
volunteers,
that
would
be
great
to
explore
the
what
are
the
potentials
and
then
in
the
short
run,
we'll
have
like
in
the
short
period
we'll
put
both
of
them
on
the
same
website
in
a
similar
fashion
that
we
have
with
a
bit
more
emotions,
but
in
the
long
run,
maybe
even
when
we
consider
redesign,
we
might
have
actually
redesign
of
the
website,
and
we
can
have
this
discussion
again.
The
next
meeting
would
that
be
fine
with
everybody
I.
C
Just
can
I
just
give
up
three
minutes
of
feedback
yeah,
because
I
think
this
is
kind
of
important.
It's
the
first
thing
that
people
see
so
so
my
my
thinking
about
this
I
have
spent
a
reasonable
or
unreasonable
amount
of
time
thinking
about
the
landing
pages
lately.
So
one
of
the
main
things
you
kind
of
want
to
convey
here
is
to
capture
the
emotion
of
the
person
that
comes
onto
the
website.
It's
just
like
I'm
frustrated,
I'm,
ready
to
move
on.
C
That's
usually
the
case,
because
somebody,
you
know,
gets
you
a
solution
and
like
currently
we're
describing
too
much
and
trying
to
put
things
into
buckets
and
so
on.
In
my
opinion,
I
would
completely
get
rid
of
the
distinction
in
the
first
place
and
just
you
know,
keep
saying
like
what
are
the
pain
points,
we're
solving
and
don't
even
say
if
it's
nixar
or
if
it's
an
XLS
at
all
and
just
try
to
capture
like
you
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
typical.
C
I.
Think
if
you
look
at
try
pyramid
calm
while
they
come
up,
it's
I
think
they
had
like
a
button
like
try
it
out
or
like
something
like
this.
But
all
these
examples
should
be
like
titled
wait.
Like
maybe
I
mean
it's
trying
to
be
more
like
a
tutorial
or
a
getting
started
guide
then
like
what
does
Nick's
really
so
my
opinion
anyway.
My
three
minutes
rather.
A
Let's
just
have
this
landing
page
is
a
bit
by
having
two
weeks
every
two
weeks,
discussion
about
it.
It's
like
we
were
discussing
actually
quite
the
opposite
points,
which
is
fine,
I
mean
that's
awesome.
Let's
have
a
meeting
only
about
landing
page
and
everybody.
That's
interested.
It's
gonna
be
next
week's
and
evening
time,
nine
o'clock,
those
who
are
want
they
can
participate
before.
E
We
wrap
up
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
it
does
seem
like
there's
a
deeper
discussion
here
than
just
what
does
the
landing
page
say
like
it
seems
like
there's
a
question
of
you
know:
what
is
the
product?
Is
there
two
products?
Is
there
two
products
but
one
main
product,
or
should
we
try
to
hide
the
distinction
between
them
and
try
to
sell
one
thing
with
many
properties,
I
think
there's
a
deeper
discussion
there
and
I
think
that
everyone
sort
of
needs
to
be
aligned
in
that
respect,
because
that's
gonna
inform
that's.
E
Why
you're
probably
having
this
discussion
every
two
weeks,
because
it's
not
really
clear
we're
not
all
aligned
spiritually
on
there's
two
products,
but
one
central
are
going
to
focus
on
next.
Everyone
needs
to
understand
what
Nicks
is
it's
much
easier
to
communicate?
Oh
and
then
there's
an
OS
that
uses
this
package
manager
I
think
that
we
should
probably
all
come
to
a
consensus
relatively
soon
on
that,
so
that
these
decisions
are
clarified.
E
Also,
I
think
that's
going
to
help
us
understand
just
how
important
it
is
when
we
try
to
show
a
quick
start
of
what
Nicks
is
just
how
steep
the
initial
upfront
cognitive
cost
is
to
start
interacting
with
Nicks
like
I
know,
that's
an
even
deeper
question
of
things
like
graphical
UI's
and
DSL
is
on
top
of
Nicks,
and
that
is
a
whole
can
of
worms,
but
it
really
comes
back
down
to
what
is
our
product
and
how
easy
is
it
to
stop
somebody
on
the
street
and
say
look
at
this?
Isn't
this?
A
But
I
completely
agree
I.
Think
what's
the
point
here
is
that
this
needs
to
like
there
is
a
short
plan
that
we
need
to
improve
the
current
website,
but
in
order
to
do
a
redesign
a
bit
like
when,
when
the
time
comes,
we
need
to
know
all
these
answers,
that's
true
and
be
on
the
same
page.
What
we
want
to
do,
what
do
we
redesign
right?
But
let's
say
for
the
next
two
three
months:
we
can
improve
the
website
already
right.
A
Even
if
it's
not
perfect
so
I
still
proposed
to
go
on
with
the
next
guys
have
both
of
them
at
the
same
same
page,
not
don't
change
the
way
it's
going
to
be
Nick's
package
manager.
Nick
says
the
Linux
distribution
similar
just
a
bit
better,
and
then
we
move
on,
and
it's
like
at
least
we'll
have
something
on
a
short
runner
that
we
can
be
like
more
honest
about
how
about
the
current
situation
and
then,
yes,
we
should
have
all
these
discussions
and
I'll
in
the
mean
in
the
meetings
in
the
minutes
of
the
meeting.
A
A
H
A
A
E
Well,
I
guess:
I'll,
just
reiterate
that
I
think
a
lot
of
these
things
will
become
a
lot
more
clarified.
If
we
know
if
we
all
have
like
some
object,
that
we're
trying
to
create-
and
we
all
have
the
same
object
in
mind-
you
know
then
it'll
make
more
sense.
You
know
how
much
do
we
want
to
invest
in
that
redesign
or
what
are
our
requirements
for
that
redesign?
We
don't
really
know.
What's
going
to
be
required,
can
we
get
away
with
some
simple,
like
use
of
color
from
what
we've
already
got?
E
You
know
it's
not
hard
to
make
a
basic
web
design.
Do
we
really
need
to
hire
an
agency?
Well,
it
really
depends
on
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
new
website
and
the
new
branding
and
the
new
you
know.
Are
we
gonna
focus
on
just
NYX
and
so
on
and
so
forth?
Once
we
have
that
in
mind,
then
I
think
you
know:
do
we
really
want
to
go
big
with
that
rebranding?
Is
there
a
big
enough
message
to
say
to
tell
and
to
demand
that
kind
of
thing.
K
K
A
Its
I
know
like
there
are
we're
still
that's
why
we
started
this
discussion
and
why
we
were
where
we
have
this
short
climb
right,
that
we
can
do
something
and
have
the
feedback
and
in
work
on
the
current
website
and
come
up
because
once
you
work
like
it's
I
thought
it's
easy
to
work
on
the
landing
page.
But
when
you
need
to
put
the
sentence
together,
it
becomes
so
hard,
because
every
word
is
wrong,
that
you
select
and
like
as
we
will
work
right.
A
A
A
Yeah,
so
for
the
landing
page
we
next
week
right
for
the
short
term
so
for
the
current
redesign
right
so
for
the
redesign,
not
the
current,
the
redesign.
It's
when
I
talk
about
the
timeline.
If
we
go
for
selecting
but
like
this
is
just
the
process,
the
things
that
we
kind
of
need
to
define.
So
if
we
want
to
select
some
company,
do
we
need
to
put
out
the
tender
like
this
kind
of
organizational
stuff,
not
really
in
maybe
just
this
just
the
Scopes.
How
much
are
we
willing
to
be
going
investing
in
this
time?
E
Really
feel
like
we
do
need
to
decide
what
we
are
going
to
be
making
with
that
redesign.
What
is
the
point
of
that
redesign?
Everybody
knows
we
want
to
clarify
something.
I
want
say
something
with
this
new
website,
but
before
we
sit
down
and
talk
about
how
much
we're
going
to
invest
in
telling
that
new
message,
we
really
have
to
have
a
solid
idea
of
what
that
message
is
going
to
be
like,
maybe
go
ahead.
Sorry.
A
I
think
this
is
the
missing
part
which
I
didn't
I
should
sign
and
I.
Think
Sam
tried
to
tell
me
is
our
goal:
is
that
mixes
and
mixes
in
mainstream
right?
And,
of
course
we
discussed
this
already?
But
what
does
this
mean
that
Nix
is
in
mainstream,
and
this
is
the
our
end
goal,
let's
say
five
years
or
whatever
it
takes
right,
but
that's
our
end
goal
so.
E
I'll
just
notice
that
you
say
that
NYX
is
the
end
goal
so
I'm
on
that,
like
if
I'm
gonna
give
my
own
opinion
on
this
dichotomy
and
what
the
whole
situation
is
I
think
it's
really
really
evident
that
NYX
is
the
product
and
that
we
should
throw
our
weight
behind
NYX
itself,
which
gives
us
the
most
most
reach,
of
course,
like
it,
was
st.
describing
Nix
OS
being
the
sort
proving
ground.
So
if
that's
already
established,
then
that's
great.
E
I
E
Nick
service,
yeah
I
think
that's
really
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
we're
not
that's
not
what
we're
trying
to
do
right
like
Nick.
So
asses
like
here,
look
at
what
we
can
do
with
Nick's.
You
could
use
Nick's.
It
makes
OS
if
you
wanted
to,
but
you
can
use
it
on
your
own
Linux
or
Mac
OS
or
whatever.
It
may
be,
definitely
aligns
there.
Yeah.
B
Just
a
little
bit
more
on
that
is
by
starting
with
Nick's
we're
able
to
have
this
really
nice
ramp,
oK,
you've
installed
Nick's,
and
now
you
can
build
the
dev
environment
and
then
same
thing
can
build
a
docker
container,
abductor
image
and
same
thing.
You
can
build
a
nick's
OS
image,
all
just
on
whatever
you
already
have,
and
so
it
feels
like
a
much
much
easier
ramp
for
users
than
saying
like
here's,
Nick's
OS
go
erase
your
laptop
yeah.
E
And
here's
the
configuration
Nick's
and-
and
you
have
to
take
on
all
the
complexity
about
that
I-
think
one
of
the
very
largest
problems
we
have
as
a
technology
choice
for
people,
because
you
can
tell
them
about
the
I
mean
I
I.
Do
this
all
the
time
I
tell
people
about
the
reproducibility
the
value
propositions
with
Nick's,
but
once
you
start
telling
them
how
not
how
it
works,
but
how
what
they
have
to
do
in
order
to
get
those
benefits,
you
start
losing
people
immediately.
E
You
get
people
to
say
crazy
things
like
people,
you've
respected
for
a
long
time
will
say
things
like.
Oh
I,
don't
need
reproducibility
for
my
workstation
or
you
know,
configuration
management
is
good
enough
and
it's
like
you
know.
If
we
go
if
we
were
to
go
back
in
time
to
before
configuration
management
was
a
thing.
The
whole
everyone's
focused
was
like.
We
got
to
stop
writing
our
own
in-house
scripts
to
deploy
things.
You
know
we
have
the
cloud
now,
a
programmable
infrastructure.
E
We
need
to
start,
you
know
creating
generalized
tools
to
solve
this
problem
of
reproducible,
server
environments,
competing
environments.
Essentially,
now
that
we
have
a
tool
that
essentially
has
unprecedented
guarantees
in
that
regard,
you
bring
it
to
people
who
would
otherwise
fetishize
reproducibility,
because
anybody
involved
in
computers
has
a
intrinsic
interest
in
it.
E
A
Try
to
like
the
the
idea
is
that
if
we
go
too
broad,
we
might
not
finish
it.
I
agree
with
that.
These
are
things
we
can
should
discuss.
I
think
this
somebody
should
come
should
write
the
story
down
of
Nyx
being
the
centerpiece
of
the
whole
thing
and
then
come
back
to
us
with
the
whole,
like
do
ab,
not
presentation,
but
like
a
few
minute
speech
how
and
why-
and
we
should
not
go
into
details
further
into
discussing
this,
or
maybe
those
interested
like
have
a
separate
meeting
only
on
this
topic.
K
A
A
A
C
Yeah
I
think
I.
Don't
know
there
is
a
lot
of
discussions,
but
I'll
address
the
one
that
a
briefing
about
the
design
I
would
be
well
almost
strongly
against
an
agency.
I
think
that
the
you
know
like
being
designed
from
scratch
is,
is
pretty
crazy.
These
days
for
a
landing
page,
it's
there
is
like
a
lot
of
teams.