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From YouTube: Package Maintenance Team meeting 2019/05/20

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https://github.com/nodejs/bootstrap/issues/114

A

Everyone welcome to the DOJ's packet maintenance team meeting of the 20 of May 2019.

A

So we are all here together and we have a bunch of sorry. Ok, let's go, have you got any announcement folks.

A

Seems no announcement as usual: let's start immediately it with our with our agenda, so we have issued 200 key pack all packages that do not test on latest LTS and food like to Dominic ass. Would you like to brief us on the status of this.

B

I, don't think, there's any a business. Last week we said we're going to try to talk to Travis to change their defaults. I will said the I'll write up the blogpost on for the no J's blog to advocate that I think I'll start once we get at least the first response from Travis, depending on what they say, whether they accept or don't accept our ideas and whether they will move forward and I suppose the wording will have to be changed.

B

But basically, if there's any chatter kid set package maintainers test in in in LTS versions of node, rather than just latest yeah, which is the default and which cost of the packages do and I think there were some actions there, as well in terms of talking to greenkeeper and renovate I, believe the decision about reading keeper from what I saw in the discussion is to let them finish organizing chess cards and meet some of them there.

B

If that's possible, I, don't know what was the situation on renovate planning to look at that myself, but I didn't have a chance, so I don't think there's any any other update since since last week them fantastic.

A

Dominique as I is there, anybody does anybody else as anything to add no.

A

I, don't think line is on the computer, but anyway we'll see it doesn't look like he is considering his videos. Maybe.

B

He just can turn it remotely. Has wireless.

A

Whatever okay, so we have a next step in our agenda, is.

A

Next, step on support levels.

A

And it's issue 1/9 sure.

A

And let's see, there is a bunch of things that I've listed, I is Stephan Stephan or this manual here I doesn't look like is so I, don't know if there's anybody that wants to add anything on this one.

A

You you.

A

No doesn't seem like so so. I I will postpone these to the next meeting. A.

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Quick.

C

Question actually, okay, so with regards to one line to next steps, and supposing I do see that we actually do have some check boxes, some under lease that already checked out so I was just going to ask if anyone was thinking about check, boxes, number, five and six because they're more like blog posts.

C

If anyone was thinking to actually take that up at some point, I think.

A

They are, they are up for grabs, so I would recommend you want to do them. You would recommend you to write them to write in the issue that you're starting working on those and start. Okay,.

A

Yeah and yeah, that would be my best recognize recommendation. So are you going to do this or are you planning to whatever yeah.

C

I think I'm, gonna, I'm gonna, say probably the block who or didn't you I'm gonna, take one of the block first I'm, not sure which one yet fantastic.

A

Okay, that's amazing. Can you write it as a note in your in the notes in the meeting notes, please so that we have something? Then we have issue one nine one, and here we go issue one nine one is taking ideas from proposals to implement it, and these, it seems, has been stuck for a while.

A

Hey Edgar, don't think Edgar is in the meeting right.

A

We haven't in being involved very much so I.

A

Does anybody known about this issue anything you know.

D

Hello.

D

You.

A

Hello: anybody, okay, nobody, fantastic, okay, so I'll postpone for updates.

A

Then there is one 64.

A

Which is actually very interesting because it has a lot of conversation and.

B

And.

A

What do Glen you seen, you have been the most active and latest lately. So would you like to give us a little bit of state to some things and what we want to.

A

Do you want to make it forward? We have anything any points. Any actions to do this, for this Glen is not is befits. Faith here is not here, really he's still like empty. It's still an empty thing in his office, whatever hi to anybody. That is on the other side.

A

So is there anybody that wants to say something here? It seems the discussion is a little bit stalled. I think Glen is back now. Glen is back again.

A

Hello, can you hear us you can hear us, it doesn't seem like he can he's moving around somewhere where he can talk like he will see anyway.

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Okay,.

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Glenn, can you hear us now.

A

Seem like he is this objector gotta zoom, whatever? Okay, let's move audio problems. Yeah, let's move to the next issue, will go back to this one later issue, one five: zero.

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Issue: one five: zero: what is this one? Four, zero.

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Add the placate guidelines, doc.

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And.

A

What is this has been scheduled for some time with no real conclusion, so Dominic, as you have been having you have, you have done a lot of reviews. Also Jordan has done a lot of views. I.

B

Think this one I have looked at.

A

And it seems that Jay joy is not really enjoying a giant is not really joining this work anymore. It seems a little be stalled. Do use I think these will need a new champion if who would like to get these over the line.

A

Let me asked well anyway, let me ask a nation.

E

Yeah, my taking it over I feel like I'm, more of an instrument than an instigator I, don't feel highly opinionated, but I'd be glad to help get that somewhere that it needs to be. That's.

A

Fantastic, can you please just write it in the issue so yeah, you know we'd see what Joel says, but it seems likely that you would like to phase out more or less, and so, if you can maybe start a new PR on that one and we can move that forward if Joel does not come back.

A

Okay and let me add a note.

A

Any more okay Glenn: are you still a be with us? Yes,.

F

I am with you now I'm. Sorry, someone talk to me fantastic.

A

So we had one issue, which is a hundred and sixty-four I, think where you have been the last of the presence in in doing a recap, and I would like to understand that, given that a week has passed, I don't think it's like.

A

Can you give us an update or now to resolve this transition to a PR or something.

F

So it was you directing that to make so I missed one minute of video, then yes,.

A

So there is one issue: 164, okay and you were probably the of the present people. You were one of the last word. You did a summary. ah Yes, so.

F

ah Yes, aha, so on this I everyone we're still at the summary. So there really is no there. There isn't really a middle ground on this or a compromise. It has to be one or the other. Yet where Ivor, including stuff or we take the sort of stifle, you know that way, which is we try and make it minimal and small, and we actually have to go one way and we're not we're going to either way. Some of the people will not be happy and some of the people will be happy.

F

There isn't a middle ground here. We are we're, including everything, so you can see everything or not. Now that doesn't give us an answer, but I think we just need to actually understand the problem. The it's binary. If there isn't a middle ground on it,.

A

I think we should documented both strategy are actually fine in that case, then we're good, because that's the only I don't I will I am strong on one position and they would not bulge and stifle is stronger. The exact reverse position and you won't move a dime. So essentially it's I love.

F

It let me try that up exactly in that way, that we accept both positions but really no halfway middle ground. You have a limited and lightweight which we accept or you're fully everything tests, source and dis the whole bundle and we're.

A

Okay,.

F

With that so or whether.

A

Up.

F

That.

A

Way, I would I would more or less be happy with that type of with that type of reasoning, I would also hope to one day to have a tool that enabled me to have a source bundle, a source bundle and yes,.

B

So I think we also discussed last week that, and we have some work actions there, where we might try to write off an RFC or something of documenting inside a package.json which files are production only and then you can either prune or install only production files. If and the end piece yeah.

A

We'll see we see what NPM size NPM is here. Actually I, don't know what NPM is going to say, but NPM you know congratulation Achmed by the way for the new position. Thank you. Given you didn't change.

D

Your office, though, what do you want it to be more red boots, one but I'm waiting for my warm but package, you'll be warm bats everywhere. Wanna make you happy. Yes, of course we will I, don't like to have an answer yet, but it's something that definitely is worth discussing in terms of source packages or source published so sort. But it's definitely interesting.

A

Okay,.

A

Yep- and let me get right these into a note so because I'm also taking notes.

A

Okay and then we have issue 1 1 3 issue, 1 1 3, which was I've created a shoe but I've completely disengaged so and I have no time I actually been. You know struggling to come to these meetings, so I would like if somebody else would like to take this over, because I can't really do anything with it or we can just close it.

F

Let me have a little look at it and come back to you so give me half a day, yeah.

A

That's.

F

All.

A

I, like a long time so I like.

F

The title we did they've been others open for longer and I did have some complaints. The other day.

B

um We should actually try to reach out to some other package maintainers to see yeah see to see more perspectives there, but it seems like the stack tivity on this one sort of picks up and then goes away again. So I probably needs more environments from other.

B

Yeah.

B

I going to chess calm, yeah.

E

And.

A

No actually I was supposed to, but then I had to do make a change of plan James Nance coming through, who.

C

And who were going to be at Justin I will.

A

Be at the collab summit, but not at Jess conf I need to fly away on Saturday Oh.

C

Was Dawson coming to us configure? Yes,.

A

The collaborator summit, so there is a clock, would we will have a meeting of the group likely at the collaborative summit and the Michael will be there. I will be there.

A

Whoever wants to come from, you will be there. I know, Glenn would likely be there. I know, Achmed will be there and so on so Emily will be there. We see billing meeting if you, if you are still thinking about coming or not you just let me know there is a couple of URLs for joining just ping me on on Twitter or anything else, send them to you and pass them in the chat here in the group. I.

C

Was just asking because I'm, actually speaking of Jesus cons but I really could turn on the 30th Avenue today of the colonies.

A

They collaborate awesome, it is on the 30 and the 31st okay.

C

Then I can join in on the 31st. Okay.

A

So if you plan to do so, you have to join to sign up as this link just give me, the link I'll, give you the link. Just give me a second and nope. Sorry.

A

Just a second okay yep, and it this issue is, if you won 5-2 in the semi creeper, so, okay.

C

Thank you and.

A

You need to sign up with via avid bright and something like that.

A

Here we go announcement, we will be meeting at the.

A

And.

A

Here we go.

A

Here we go and.

A

Yeah I am actually doing some okay, I think, that's all folks, I don't know. Do you have anything? There is another item in the agenda which is review the board. I, don't know what the board is. So you know I'm opening the board now okay, so we have a bunch of things that are in progress and we have something that I've done hey happy days and then we have some the duplicate guidelines it needs to be taken over and then there is NPM and like a JSON files. Okay,.

F

Okay, so I can talk about the greenkeeper, so greenkeepers actually run by the same people. Running jess, convey you and they're delighted to talk to us, but they're, very busy. So Michael basically says: let's talk after Jess, calm, yeah.

A

That's perfect, yeah sounds good to me.

A

It sounds good to me: okay, I think we can call the meeting and there's been a pleasure there's anybody else has any other business that you want to talk about.

A

Doesn't seem like seem like a big. No, so we finish idli and bye. Bye folks see you in a couple of weeks, see you next week, bye, bye,.