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B
A
Right
right
so
now
we
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes
committee
meeting
dated
june
15th
2022.
A
A
Moved
by
commissioner
charles
seconded
by
commissioner
markham,
we
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it
that
will
bring
us
to
our
first
public
comment.
Anybody
from
the
public
would
like
to
speak
about
the
agenda
items
three
minutes.
Anyone
anyone
seeing
none,
we'll
close
public
comment
at
this
time;
communications.
There
isn't
any
communications.
We
have
one
consent
agenda.
It's
a
road
improvement
fiscal
year,
2022
appropriation
with
the
city
of
troy
for
tri-party
road
improvement
program,
project
number:
five,
six,
three
one
one
need
a
motion
by
commissioner
marcum.
A
A
E
Good
morning,
good
morning,
commissioner,
thanks
for
having
us
back
on
this
agenda
item,
I
do
have
with
me
today:
kevin
congdon,
our
senior
loan
officer
from
the
group,
as
well
being
my
second
for
the
meeting
before
the
commission
back
in
april.
E
It
is
a
renewal
of
our
memorandum
of
understanding
between
the
county
of
oakland
and
the
oakland
county
business
finance
corporation,
I'm
the
administrator
for
the
corporation,
and
we
had
this
all
approved
and
signed,
and
between
the
time
that
the
sba
originally
looked
at
it
and
the
time
we
got
it
approved
through
the
board
of
commissioners.
My
original
sba
contact
retired
his
replacement
when
he
looked
at
the
document,
stated
that
they
do
not
like
to
have
an
addict
five-year
renewal
term
in
there,
which
it
was
so
we
said.
E
Okay,
we
can
remove
that
and
leave
it
at
a
straight
five
years.
But
at
that
point
we
did
take
it
back
through
corporation
council
just
so
that
we
could
make
sure
that
everything
was
still
good
with
them.
Corporation
council
jody
hall
approved
it,
and
so
the
document
is
back
here
again
with
that
changed
just
five
years,
not
with
the
automatic
renew.
A
All
right
any
any
discussion,
commissioner
wiper,
then,
commissioner
cabell
is.
E
Yeah,
so
originally
the
first
one
well,
the
first
one
was
ages
ago,
but
the
more
meaty
memorandum
of
understanding
that
we
undertook
in
2017
under
sba
recommendation
was
a
five-year
term
before
we
aged
in
the
2022
one.
We
did
notice
that
there
was
a
change
in
the
cfr
and
sop
the
sba
guidelines
where
they
removed
their
previous
prohibition
on
the
automatic
renewal.
So
we
said:
hey,
let's
put
a
renewal
in
there.
E
You
know
just
make
it
easier,
rather
than
coming
back
every
five
years,
unless
there
was
a
substantial
change,
but
the
sba
did
say,
even
though
we
kind
of
removed
that
regulation,
we
still
prefer
to
keep
it
at.
Let's
look
at
these
in
five-year
increments.
D
E
F
E
Sure
so
the
bfc
is
permitted
by
sba
to
administer
their
504
loan
program,
that
is,
the
federal
government,
small
business
administration,
their
fixed
asset
loan
program.
It's
a
partnership
with
a
bank
or
credit
union
to
provide
long-term,
fixed
rate
financing
on
fixed
asset
purchases
to
small
businesses.
E
E
Multiple,
so
everything
from
your
nationals,
like
a
wells
fargo
case
bank
huntington
to
locals,
which
is
like
waterford
bank,
formerly
clarkson
state
bank
level,
one
just
changed
over
kevin
might
remember
who
bought.
E
Yes,
thanks
kevin
first
merchants
bank
and
then
also
credit
unions,
so
lake
trust,
credit
union
and
community
central
credit
union.
I
think
we've
done
a
few
with
those
as
well.
Okay,.
E
Sure-
and
I
would
say
too
that
kevin
or
I
or
our
whole
group
would
always
be
happy
to
come
to
a
meeting
if
you'd
like
to
see
like
a
10-minute
powerpoint,
similar
to
what
we
go
through
when
we're
meeting
with
bank.
E
I
do
think
the
department
is
looking
at
doing
in
the
next
well,
I
think
it's
at
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year
at
the
start
of
next
fiscal,
an
outreach
program
to
lenders,
but
we
would
certainly
invite
the
commissioners
as
well
where
we
go
through
not
just
this
program,
but
the
revolving
loan
fund,
I
believe
as
well,
is
what
we're
looking
at
doing.
E
That
actually
is
already
in
place
that,
after
our
group,
it's
through
a
different
part
of
business
development
in
a
partnership
with
c
yeah
yeah.
So
you
know,
but
every
so
often
we
like
to
do
a
nice,
larger
outreach
thing,
covid
kind
of
put
that
more
to
virtual.
E
So
we're
hoping
to
do
something
like
I
said,
more
likely
to
start
a
next
fiscal
year.
Maybe
the
end
of
this
with
a
more
in
person,
fingers
crossed
outreach,
an
educational
opportunity,
cool.
A
G
Morning,
thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
jason
warner
manager
of
planning
engineering
with
facilities
management.
This
resolution
is
to
acquire
licensing
to
expand
the
county's
gis
applications.
Oakland
county
has
esri
as
a
partner.
They
have
the
arcgis
software,
so
gis
stands
for
geographic
information
systems,
facilities,
planning
engineering
currently
uses
gis
and
several
other
epic
applications
for
space
management.
One
of
our
responsibilities
is
to
track
all
of
the
spaces
for
all
county
buildings,
which
is
roughly
2
million
square
feet
and
50
buildings.
G
We
currently
currently
utilize
autocad
and
excel
files
to
track
that.
So
everything
right
now
is
manual.
We're
trying
to
convert
everything
over
to
the
gis
platform
and
create
dashboards.
That
departments
can
use
this
in
gis
indoors.
Application
is
an
indoor
mapping
system,
so
that
will
allow
us
to
automate
that
process.
That
system
will
work
with
autocad,
so
we
can
do
our
edits
and
our
reports
in
one
place
and
and
they'll
talk
to
each
other.
Where
right
now
we
have
to
duplicate
efforts
within
the
two
software
programs
and
then
also
down
the
line.
G
We're
we're
looking
to
use
this
as
an
indoor
mapping
solution
where
we
can
provide
dashboards
or
applications
for
county
employees
and
for
the
public,
where
they
would
be
able
to
potentially,
if
they
needed
to
go
to
the
clerk's
office.
Here
in
the
court
house,
they
would
be
able
to
put
that
in
there
and
it
would
route
them
through
the
building
and
show
them
where
the
parking
in
the
best
parking
lot
is
where
accessible
parking
is
where
the
restrooms
are,
that
type
of
thing.
So
the
initial
implementation
is
250
000,
which
includes
the
licensing.
G
Any
support
and
all
support
that
we
need
from
oakland
county
I.t
and
then
annual.
It
also
covers
the
first
three
years
costs
and
then
annually
we
are
around
20
thousand
dollars
for
the
license
after
2024.
That
will
be
incorporated
in
the
fpe
operating
budget
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
Commissioner
wiper
well.
D
It
seems
cumbersome
what
you
what
you're
doing
now
I
mean
you
have
to
use
a
couple:
different
programs
and
sort
all
this
out:
yeah,
yeah
and-
and
we
always
think
the
gis
is
outside.
You-
know,
mapping,
mapping,
infrastructure
and
something
it
kind
of
makes
sense
that
they
have
a
program
now
for
yeah
all
indoors
yeah.
That's
what
I
mean
it'll
make.
G
H
G
So
this
will
be
on
county.
It
servers.
H
Oh
on
okay,
local
servers,
correct
and
do
we
have
the
capacity
for
this
information
on
a
regular
basis?
Yes
great,
and
then
I
think
I
wanted
to
pose
this
through
the
chair
to
the
finance
professional
on
the
on
our
committee
budget
amendments
that
is
pretty
par
for
the
course
in
terms
of
because
it's
in
bold
and
it's
big,
and
it
says
yes
so
as
opposed
to
appropriation.
H
C
If
you
look
at
the
schedule,
a
the
money
was
in
an
I.t
fund
transfers
out
250
thousand
dollars
transferring
into
the
general
fund
250
thousand
dollars
and
then
further
out
on
that
you
can
see
what
the
next
year
you
know
the
next
three
years
are
on.
All
of
that.
So
that's!
What
this
is
doing
is
showing
that
we
had
the
money
in
it,
okay,
but
we're
moving
it
to
the
general
fund
to
execute
this.
H
C
H
F
F
Don't
really
know
right
like
we
know
how
big
the
room
is.
I
mean
not
that
this
isn't
good
and
I
love
what
you
were
saying,
the
second
part
of
being
able
to
help
people
do
like
an
internal
like
map
of
routing
how
they
can
get
from
one
department
to
the
next.
That's
great,
but
I'm
just
just
curious
like
that
right
we
built
these
buildings,
so
we
know
where
everything.
G
So
every
autocad
plan
has
the
rooms,
p,
lined
those
poly
lines
and
each
department's
color
coded
on
there
and
it's
broken
down
by
department,
division
and
unit
and
then
there's
an
excel
file
that
has
every
room
number
as
well
with
that
square
foot
and
the
department
of
guys.
So
if
we
were
to
alter
a
building,
you
know
move
a
wall
or
a
door
or
make
a
room
a
different
size.
Then
we
would
manually
make
those
changes
in
autocad
change
those
p
lines.
G
Then
we
have
to
go
into
the
excel
file,
change
the
number
there
and
then
there's
another
another
excel
file,
which
is
the
master
budget
sheet
that
we
provide
to
fiscal
services
annually,
to
that
has
every
department,
division
and
units
space
that
they
occupy,
and
that
goes
that
helps
develop.
The
department
budget
so
we're
using
three
separate
okay
and
then
on
the
on
the
flip
side.
G
F
G
F
C
G
Yeah,
I
think
it
will
because
we'll
be
able
to
better
filter
which
spaces
are
being
utilized
which
ones
are
vacant,
so
we
track
all
space,
even
if
the
space
is
not
assigned
to
an
apartment.
Right
now
we
have
to
go
through.
You
know,
like
I
said
those
several
different
files
to
highlight
with
what
spaces
are,
are
underutilized
but
yeah
once
once
everything
gets
imported
in
we'll
be
able
to
see
filter
through
on
unoccupied
space,
and
if
there's
2
000
square
feet
in
one
building
right
in
another
building.
G
A
Any
other
discussion
I
just
had
a
question,
so
would
this
help
map
the
conditions
of
the
the
internal
buildings
and
external,
like
upgrades
and
as
well
as
to
add
to
it
like
we
have
the
feasibility
study
for
the
sheriff
right?
Would
that
help
with
that
aspect
of
it
in
the
future?.
G
It
can
yes,
okay
yeah.
You
know
that
that's
one
of
the
benefits
of
it
is
we
we
can.
We
can
add
as
much
data
as
we
want.
So
you
know
looking
into
the
future,
once
we
have
all
of
the
assets
mapped
within
the
program,
we
can
filter
through
ages
and
conditions.
We've
started
doing
that
a
little
bit
right
now,
with
our
gs
applications.
We
know
the
conditions
of
our
building
roofs
and
the
parking
lots
and
those
are
all
numbered
and
encoded.
G
A
Okay
and
then
what
about
any
property
that
the
county
owns?
What
would
that
be
adequate?
Would
that
be
able
to
be
added
to
the
system?
It
could
be.
Yes,
thank
you
because
it's
it'd
be
why
I
think
it'd
be
very
helpful
for
commissioners.
If
they,
you
know,
if
there's
open
property
or
property
in
the
area
that
they
know
what's
counting
property.
What's
not,
thank
you.
Any
other
discussion
hear
none
prompt
the
vote.
Please.
B
A
F
Yeah
thanks
to
yolanda's
leadership,
last
meeting,
we
already
did
this
right.
The
first
part
of
it
which,
if
we
all
recall,
is
wrc,
is
going
to
try
and
increase
enrollment
and
existing
water
affordability
and
access
programs
for
the
12
000
households
at
risk
of
water-based
foreclosure.
So
we
allocated
240
000
towards
that
goal
at
the
last
board
meeting,
and
so
this
we
can.
What
does
it
postpone?
Is
that
possible,
postpone
indefinitely.
H
Nobody
was
postponed
until
today,
no.
H
Okay,
and
that
doesn't
require
any
discussion.
It's
just
boom
boom.
A
H
A
For
sure
it's
happening,
we
like
it,
we
like
it.
So
if
there's
no
discussion,
we'll
prompt
the
vote
on
that
and
the
postponement
on
the
postponement.
Yes,.
A
Make
sure
all
right
now
we
have
facilities
management
parks
and
recreation
authorization,
negotiate
the
sale
of
property
in
waterford
moved
by
commissioner
wiper
seconded
by
commissioner
charles
good
morning.
Good
morning,
good
morning
morning
morning,
it's
like
it's
like
the
wizard
of
oz.
Speaking
over
your
shoulder
right.
I
A
little
bit
so
I'm
to
take
the
lead
on
this,
since
I'm
here
in
the
room
with
you
guys,
but
paul
is
obviously
here
to
provide
any
additional
information
on
this
item.
I
want
to
preface
this
sorry.
I
want
to
preface
this
by
saying
that
you
know
at
parks
and
recreation.
We
don't
take
this
potential
sale
of
property.
That's
part
of
ownership
lightly.
I
So
this
is
something
that
our
parks,
commission
is
still
discussing,
and
not
something
that
we've
necessarily
decided
on
at
this
point,
but
something
that
we
want
to
do
some
due
diligence
on
and
figure
out
what
the
best
options
are
for
the
park
system.
So
the
map
that
I
just
passed
around,
it's
two-sided
the
side
that
has
the
image
of
the
house
on
it
shows
you
all
of
waterford
oaks
and
then
in
red
is
the
property
that
we're
talking
about
today
and
then
the
other
side
is
kind
of
zoomed.
I
In
on
on
what
that
property
is.
So
you
may
recall,
we
purchased
this
property,
formerly
known
as
the
ernst
greenhouse
property
many
years
ago,
it's
about
five
or
in
2009.
it
was
a
little
over
five
acres.
It
is
obviously
attached
to
water
for
oaks,
which
is
why
it
was
of
interest
to
us.
We've
tried
a
number
of
things.
There.
We've
tried
community
gardens,
we've
tried
using
it
for
our
own
growing
operations,
which
ended
up,
not
saving
us
as
much
money
as
we
thought
that
it
would.
I
We
even
leased
it
to
a
commercial
entity
which
you'll
probably
recall
that
did
not
pan
out
well
for
us.
So
at
this
point,
we're
kind
of
debating
what
the
future
of
that
property
is
for
the
park
system
or
if
it
might
make
more
sense
for
us
to
sell
that
property,
since
it's
right
on
scott
lake
road
there
and
use
that
money
to
reinvest
in
things
that
we
know
that
we
want
to
do
at
waterford
oaks.
So
we're
having
a
lot
of
big
conversations
about
waterford
oaks
right
now.
I
Everything
from
splash
pads
to
a
new
winter
feature
to
a
dog
park
to
improving
the
trails.
There's
a
lot.
We
want
to
do
there,
so
we
want
to
figure
out
if
the
sale
of
this
property
makes
sense
for
us
and
if
it
will
help
us
further.
Some
of
those
investments
that
we
want
to
make
so,
as
I
said,
the
parks
commission
hasn't
decided
yet
that
that's
what
they
want
to
do,
but
we
want
to
do
some
appraisals.
I
Maybe
do
the
wetland
delineation
talk
to
some
real
estate
folks
and
get
a
feel
for
you
know
what
we
might
be
able
to
get
in
terms
of
revenue
for
that
property.
Then
we
take
it
back
to
the
parks,
commission
and
then
obviously
back
to
this
committee,
if
we
were
recommending
to
sell
it.
So
at
this
point,
we're
just
looking
to
do
that
due
diligence.
J
Yes,
that
that's
good,
and
just
just
so
the
commissioners
know
that
current
zoning
is
public,
use,
it's
it's
zoned
as
a
park.
So
if
the
commission
parks
mission
wants
to
move
forward,
some
of
those
steps
would
be.
J
How
much
do
we
want
to
just
package
this
and
set
it
up
for
a
builder
or
developer
to
do
the
entire
work?
Or
do
we
want
to
do
that
in-house
and
re-zone
it?
You
know,
do
some
type
of
site
plan
and
then
go
to
the
market.
So
so
there's
a
couple
different
ways
to
do
that.
You
you
you
end
up
getting
more
money,
the
more
work
you
do
yourself,
the
higher
the
value
of,
for
instance,
a
retail
lot.
So
we
just
have
to
consider
how
how
they
went
through
that.
I
Yeah-
and
I
should
mention
the
map
to
you-
can
see
the
letters
on
there
that
correspond
to
to
what's
going
on
out
there.
Actually,
the
only
things
that
are
actually
left
on
the
property
are
the
house,
which
is
a
the
garage
which
is
b
and
the
ernst
barn,
which
is
c,
which
is
currently
being
deconstructed
and
moved
off
site,
so
the
greenhouses
are
already
all
gone.
So
really
it's
just
the
house
and
the
garage
that
are
left
at
this
point.
C
C
What
I
would
hate
to
see
is
you
know
a
mall
going
in
there
right,
yeah
or
you
know
something
else,
that's
really
inconsistent
and
I'm
sure
the
local
residents
would
not
want
to
see
something
that
was
up
zoned
to
you
know,
increase
traffic
and
lights
and
all
the
things
that
come
with
improving
a
piece
of
property.
C
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
table
that
I
think
zoning,
where
we're
going
to
end
where
this
piece
of
property
is
going
to
end
up,
needs
to
be
consistent
with.
What's
around
it
or
else
we
shouldn't
sell
it.
We.
I
I
think
we
agree
completely.
I
know
paul's
had
a
couple
of
initial
conversations
with
the
township
and
they
have
a
strong
interest
in
some
multi-family
housing.
That's
a
need
for
them
here
in
waterford,
so
they're
very
interested
in
seeing
what
we
can
do.
You
know
potentially
working
with
a
developer,
to
get
some
housing
in
there,
so
that
would
be
the
direction
that
we
would
be
leaving.
C
Yeah
that
was
going
to
be.
My
next
statement
is,
I
think,
the
local
community.
The
township,
really
needs
to
be
deeply
embedded
in
these
conversations
as
we
go
along
because
you
know
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
have
the
county
do
something
with
our
really
one
of
our
best-known
parks.
That
then
disrupts
the
area
around
it.
So,
okay,
thank
you.
That's
all
I
had.
A
All
right
come,
mr
gavel.
F
That
is
really
cool
to
hear.
Go
waterford
township
because
I
was
gonna
say
I
love
parks
in
it.
I
would
imagine
a
lot
of
people
in
our
district
and
I
could
imagine
waterford
would
want
a
park
to
stay
a
park
unless
it
was
addressing
a
need
like
multi-family
housing,
which
you
know
being
kitty
corner
from
this
high
school.
I
mean
yeah
with
your
backyard.
That
sounds
amazing,
yeah,
that's
and
with
the
housing
trust
fund
we
just
created.
F
J
And
the
other
thing
is:
the
market
is
good
right,
it's
residential,
it's
hot
prices
are
high,
so
if,
if
they
wanted
to
do
it,
this
would
be
a
good
time.
F
Well,
so
then,
and
also
to
that
then
paul,
what
are
we
allowed
to
put
in
as
stipulations
right?
If
we
made
like
an
mou
or
like
deed
restrictions,
like
what
commissioner
markham
was
saying
about
zoning,
I.
J
Yes,
it
would
be
we'd,
definitely
be
working
with
waterford
township
planning,
and
zoning
and
they've
already
indicated
that
in
the
larger,
if
we
sold
the
larger
parcel,
it
would
be
some
type
of
residential
like
cluster
housing,
where
it's
not
attached,
but
it's
detached
homes
but
fit
in
an
area
where
you
get.
F
F
F
Does
waterford
township
zoning
allow,
for
you
know
like
duplexes
or
apartments.
J
F
Also,
I
mean
just
yeah
yeah:
okay,
isn't
waterford
the
oldest
community
in
oakland
county
by
like
average
age?
So
when
we
talk
about
attainable
housing
or
affordable
housing,
it
could
also
be
seniors.
So
you
know
yeah
if,
if
they're
willing
to
go
multi-family
having
that
blended,
generational
kind
of
housing
sounds
awesome
and
it
backs
up
to
a
park
yeah
exactly
right.
How
else?
I
A
Any
other
discussion
I
just
have
just
bear
caution,
and
I
I
do
appreciate
commissioner
cavallo
and
his
drive
for
affordable
housing.
One
thing
I
do
know
is:
when
you
sell
a
property,
you
can
only
make
sure
it's
zoned
for
a
certain,
but
you
can't
say
that
has
to
be
affordable
right.
That's
it!
That's
the
caution
right,
so
somebody
buys
you
can't
tell
them
how
to
do
it.
That's
where
that's
where
you're
trying
to
get
at
right.
How
can
we
work
something
out?
H
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything
since
our
last
committee
meeting
I
mean
I
wasn't
going
to
say
anything
about
this,
but
since
our
last
committee
meeting
I
actually
got
my
real
estate
license,
which
I'm
super
excited
all.
H
Thank
you
and
the
one
thing
that
I
mean
I
feel
like
it's
made
me
a
better
elected
official
overall.
I
really
highly
recommend,
even
if
you
just
do
the
40
hours
is
that
there
are
tenancy
laws
where
it's
called
like
tenancy
at
will
or
tendency
for
life
where
the
land
that
this
is
on.
H
If,
for
some
reason
you
know,
we
could
put
it
in
there
that
it
reverts
back
to
the
county,
I
mean
there's
so
many
rights
and
privileges
to
the
owners
of
the
land
in
terms
of
if
they,
if
we
say
no,
no
competing
x,
y
and
z,
and
they
were
to
do
that,
then
then
it
would
immediately
by
law,
revert
back
to
our
ownership.
So
I
just
didn't
know
those
things
back
when
I
was
on
school
boards
and
we
were
selling
buildings,
and
so
I
always
want
to
make
sure
that
we
write
it
in.
H
I
don't
know
if
it's
to
the
deed
or
to
the
title,
how
that
goes,
but
certainly,
let's
just
be
vigilant.
Yeah
that
sounds.
A
Good
into
that,
no
just
the
paul's
point:
it's
a
hot
market
right
now
and
it's
so.
We
just
have
to
be
cautioned
because
if
somebody
sees
it
on
there
potentially
like
well,
I'm
not
going
to
get
that
property
because
we
can
build
anywhere
people.
You
know
we're
buying
property,
so
we
just
like
said
we
just
have
to
like.
A
Do
it
politically
correct
and
try
to
make
sure
it's
like
negotiations,
when
you
walk
away
nobody's
happy,
it's
a
good
contract
right
trust
me.
I
know
that
nobody's
so
yeah.
I
do
appreciate
that
it
does
make
sense
right.
It's
like
right
now,
in
a
hot
market,
it
seems
like
it's
a
wild
west
out
there,
people
buying
stuff.
Yes,
so
I
do
appreciate
that,
and
I
did
have
the
question
of
how
will
it
affect
the
parks
like?
Is
it?
Is
it
because
I
don't
know
waterford
that
well
yeah?
Is
it?
J
A
A
J
A
H
Moved
to
go
into
closed
session
for
the
purpose
of
considering
the
purchase
of
lease
property.
D
A
All
right
we,
I
declare
the
meeting
is
back
open
session.
There's
an
open
session.
F
A
Motion
carries
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
all
right
and
now,
with
that
being
our
last
agenda
or
a
closed
session
now
we
have
public
comment.
Anybody
from
the
public
would
like
to
speak.
You
got
three
minutes.
Anyone
from
the
public
would
like
to
speak.
Anyone
from
the
public
would
like
to
speak.
You
got
three
minutes
state,
your
name
and
community
you're
from.