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A
A
Under
god,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all
all
right
now
we
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes
dated.
May
18
2022
in
need
of
motion
moved
by
commissioner
spizz
seconded
by
commissioner
gershwin,
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye
aye
opposed
eyes
have
it
now
we
have
the
approval
of
the
agenda
so.
F
A
A
H
G
H
Good
morning
9d
the
oakland
university
agreement.
I
think
it's
like
the
the
fifth,
whereas
that
it
says
that
the
the
deputy
executive
and
the
environmental-
I
I
forgot,
my
phone
his
officer-
had
the
the
right
to
approve
the.
What
was
it.
H
Project
so
to
me
neither
one
of
these
are
elected
officials
and
it's
an
agreement
between
the
commission
and
the
university.
H
It's
just
underlined
on
one
five
and
not
on
one
eight
and
that's
the
only
differences
to
it
and
then
item
9e.
H
No.
What
do
you
call
it?
No
itemization
of
what
these
what
the
monies
are
for?
It
just
has
a
general
statement
and
county
commissioner
kristen
nelson
yep.
The
last
name
escapes
she
complained
several
times
about
things
being
submitted
without
some
itemization
of
you
know
what
these
dollars
are
for,
rather
than
just
a
general
statement
that
it's
for
one
thing
and
it's
also
several
different
things
and
it
doesn't
itemize
it
on
item
9e
and
then
on
an
item
item
9f.
H
It
spoke
to
2.3
million
dollars
for
fencing
and
gates,
and
that
and
a
pair
of
ankle
cuffs
cost
a
lot
less
than
2.3
million
dollars,
and
it
is
one
of
the
approved
items
that
are
used
for
restraint,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that
would
be
a
much
more
economic
solution
than
to
put
up
a
2.3
million
dollar
fence
and
gates
and
video
cameras
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
A
A
All
in
favor
say
aye
aye
aye
opposed
eyes.
Have
it
now
we'll
move
to
the
consent
agenda?
One
agenda
item
is
fiscal
year:
2022
appropriations
with
the
city
of
south
lyon;
lake,
oh
sylvan,
like
I'm
sorry,
sylvan
lake
for
tri-party
road
improvement
program,
project
number,
five,
five,
zero
one
one
move
by
commissioner
spitz
seconded
by
mr
wiper,
oh
and
commissioner
mark
I
mean
gershwin.
B
A
Thank
you
motion
carries
next
we'll
move
to
our
regular
agenda.
The
first
agenda
item
is
moved
by
commissioner
spitz
seconded
by
commissioner
gershon,
and
this
is
our
assisting
american
rescue
plan
act:
local
recovery
funds
for
northwest
oakland
sanitary
drain
drainage,
district
phase
one
and
to
discussion.
We
have
our
u.s
congressional
woman,
alyssa
schlacken
on
the
zoom
here
good
morning.
K
Good
morning,
everybody
good
to
see
you,
I
you're
very,
very
tiny
on
my
screen,
so
I
will
assume
that
means
william.
I
can
go
ahead.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
come
and
speak
in
front
of
you
all.
This
is
only
the
second
time
I've
testified
or
contributed
in
front
of
one
of
our
county
commissions,
and
I
do
it
on
issues
that
I
feel
extremely
passionate
about.
K
I
really
appreciate
william
your
efforts
in
focusing
on
the
northwest
oakland
county
sewer
project,
a
project
that
deeply
affects
the
part
of
oakland
county
that
I
represent,
holland
through
ligorian,
ortonville,
brandon,
township,
groveland,
township
and
dixie
highway
in
general.
I'm
here
to
ask
for
your
support
in
contributing
10
million
dollars
from
the
federal
arpa
monies
to
purchase
the
capacity
to
join
with
genesee
county
in
this
sewer
system
development
project.
K
We
really
see
this
as
a
once
in
a
generation
opportunity
for
oakland
county's
parks
and
smallest
communities
with
really
limited
resources
and
failing
septic
systems
to
join
a
new
suic
tour
system
at
a
fraction
of
what
it
would
cost.
If
we
wanted
to
do
this
independently-
and
I
would
just
note
that
there
is
a
an
urgency
here
if
oakland
county
doesn't
commit
to
the
project,
genesee
county
has
been
very
open
with
us
that
they
will
move
forward
on
their
own
and
they
will
need
to.
K
They
will
build
a
system
that
precludes
oakland
county
from
joining
in
the
future.
I
think,
what's
particularly
interesting
to
me,
is
that
this
project
would
help
create
what
some
are
calling
a
recreation
corridor
along
dixie
highway.
We
already
have
the
holley
recreation
area,
the
groveland
oaks
park.
We
have
the
orv
park
out
there
and
just
do
not
have
the
septic
systems
available
to
actually
encourage
the
economic
development
that
we
think
should
go
along
with
being
this
recreation
corridor.
K
It
also
will
be
transformative
for
holly
township,
brandon,
township,
hortonville
groveland,
all
communities
where
I
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
those
town
supervisors
with
those
mirrors
with
those
local
electeds,
where
they
just
cannot
attract
new
businesses.
New
restaurants,
new
anything
to
their
downtown
areas,
because
the
septic
system
is
is,
is
failing
not
available,
etc
and
beyond
the
economic
development.
K
K
I
think
I
I
just
demonstrate
that
I
put
my
money
where
my
mouth
is
on,
how
I
believe,
in
this
project,
members
of
congress
are
allowed
this
year,
15
community
projects,
specific
projects
that
I
alone
can
select
and
advocate
for
through
our
appropriations,
projects
of
our
appropriations
process.
Last
year
we
got
10
and
I
got
all
10
of
those
funded
this
year
because
of
my
belief
in
the
project.
K
We
have
picked
this
project
as
one
of
our
15
to
the
tune
of
one
million
dollars
for
the
engineering
design
of
the
project,
so
I
am
in
this,
even
though,
quite
frankly,
no
matter
what
happens
after
january
or
after
december,
I
will
not
represent
this
area.
That's
how
important
I
think
this
project
is,
I
think
it's
not
to
be
missed.
K
I
know
that
genesee
county
is
literally
waiting
with
baited
breath
for
this
meeting
and
for
taking
it
to
the
to
the
full
commission-
and
I
just
appreciate
the
time
and
wanted
to
put
my
my
energy
and
my
interest
behind
it,
and
I
appreciate
your
consideration.
A
Thank
you
and
I
know
you
have
staff
on
hand
if
you
have
to
jump
off
because
you're
actually
gracing
us
with
this
time,
because
you
are
late
for
your
meeting
that
you
chair.
K
L
Well,
I
really
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
commissioner
miller.
I
I
I
just
all
I
can
do
is
reiterate
what
what
the
the
congresswoman
told
us
we've
been
working
with
her
office
for
at
least
two
years,
I
think
longer
than
that
on
this
project.
She's
been
an
incredible
help
for
this.
L
As
she
said,
this
is.
This
is
a
significant
project.
There
has
been
concern
that
this
might
cause
sprawl,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
that
this.
This
would
really
not
be
able
to
do
that.
This
is
size
specifically
for
the
area
that
would
be
covered
and
the
long-term
way
this
is
built.
It
couldn't
be
added
to
to
bring
in
sprawl,
and
this
will
help
several
lakes
in
that
area,
that
that
have
homes
that
have
failing
septics
around
them.
L
This
will
have
a
effect
on
the
business
area
along
those
routes
which
are
very
heavily
traveled
business
routes
that
that
otherwise,
we
might
lose
some
of
those
to
to
another
county,
and
so
this
is
something
that
really
has
a
an
impact
that
will
lasting
for
many
years.
Brian
coburn,
here
on
the
screen
is,
is
the
project
manager
on
this
brian?
You
want
to
fill
in
anything
else.
L
So
I
mean
that's
it's.
This
is
a
again.
This
is
going
to
have
a
lasting
impact
for
many
years
to
come.
Otherwise
this
is
a
failing,
septics
or
is
a
problem
across
the
state.
The
estimate
is
about
one
in
four
across
the
state.
L
Septic
fields
is
failing
in
some
way,
so
this
is
something
that
will
address
this
for
for
a
long
time
to
come
and
again,
this
is
something
that's
that
this
the
congressman
has
been
working
on
with
us
and,
although
she
won't
be
representing
this
in
the
future,
I
will
and
working
with
these
communities
has
been
a
a
real
effort
on
our
on
our
part
and
we're
in
a
place
that
I
think
this
project
will
succeed.
A
And
I
believe
our
executive
office
hillary
would
like
to
chambers
like
to
say
something
on
this
as
well
sure.
C
Thank
you
so
much.
I
did
want
to
just
reiterate,
what's
already
been
said,
and
actually
ask
brian
if
he
might
provide
a
bit
more
information,
because
we
had
a
meeting
with
with
jim
and
his
folks
and
all
of
the
local
officials
several
months
ago
and
really
found
their
case
very
persuasive
on
all
of
the
fronts
that
have
been
discussed,
the
environmental
ones
on
the
sprawl
issue.
C
They
said
they
all
have
local
ordinances
to
prevent
that
on
the
jobs
issue
on
the
once
in
a
lifetime
I
mean
genesee
county
is
going
to
build
this
drain,
they'll
build
it
without
the
capacity
as
elissa
slotkin
mentioned,
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
tap
in.
So
we
feel
like
this
is
really
well
worth
the
10
million
dollar
investment
of
arp
funds,
which
clearly
can
be
used
for
sewer
projects
such
as
this.
I
do
think
brian.
C
If
you
can
give
the
commissioners
a
sense
of
how
this
project
is
staged,
because
it
costs
21
million
dollars
for
oakland
county
to
tap
into
this
train.
Genesee
county
is
only
asking
for
10
million
dollars
at
this
time,
and
then
there
is
the
process
of
using
the
state
revolving
fund,
the
federal
water
of
infrastructure
money
to
do
the
the
first
phase
and
the
second
phase
at
which
point
those
communities
once
people
start
to
tap
in,
will
pay
back
the
11
million
dollars.
C
M
M
All
that
does
that
first
phase
is
provide
the
capacity
now
there's
no
revenue
from
any
customers
to
pay
back
any
bonds
until
after
the
second
phase
of
the
project
is
built
along
dixie
highway.
At
that
point,
we'd
have
customers
connecting
into
the
system,
and
then
we
would
have
a
revenue
stream
to
start
paying
back
some
of
the
debt
that
we've
incurred
to
build
the
first
phase
and
second
phase,
because
the
first
phase
we're
going
to
finance
with
genesee
through
an
agreement
and
how
those
are
going
to
be
paid
back
over
time.
M
So
there's
no
immediate
debt
going
to
be
issued
to
the
communities
until
after
phase
one
is
built
and
we
have
a
revenue.
Sorry
phase
two
is
building
a
revenue
stream
to
pay
back
those
those
debts.
Second
phase
would
go
on
dixie
highway
to
serve
holly
and
groveland
townships.
M
We
would
serve
our
orb
park,
groveland
oaks,
potentially
holly
rock
in
the
future,
and
then
the
75
interchangeable,
green
towel
road
is
part
of
that
first
phase.
If
if
they
decide
to
go
forward
with
that
portion
of
it,
the
second
phase
would
serve
brandon
and
ortonville
there'd
be
a
force
main
from
m15
over
to
dixie
highway.
That
would
pump
sewage
from
ortonville
over
to
the
dixie
interceptor
that
we're
building
for
phase
two,
and
that
would
allow
the
village
of
ortonville
to
be
served
and
remember
they're
on
septic
systems.
M
I
don't
know
how
a
downtown
survives
on
subject
systems
but
they've
managed
to
struggle
along
and
then
it
would
also
serve
brand
schools,
the
m15
corridor
and
a
bunch
of
homes
along
lake
louise
and
bald
eagle
lake.
If
you
look
in
the
package,
there's
a
figure
one
that
shows
the
needs.
It's
got
a
bunch
of
arrows
on
it.
That
shows
where
we've
identified
the
needs
of
the
communities
and
then
the
figure
two
in
that
same
package
shows
the
phasing
and
the
costs
associated
with
each.
M
C
Been
some
issue
regarding
whether
it's
an
assignment
an
appropriation
and
the
resolution
before
you
ask
just
for
an
assignment
of
funds
so
that
water
resources
can
negotiate
with
genesee
county
over
the
terms
of
the
agreement
after
they
finalize
that
they'll
bring
it
back
and
get
the
appropriation.
I
know
that
some
people
have
asked
you
know:
we've
had
the
position
before
about
having
an
actual
appropriation,
but
that's
why
it's
done
in
two
stages
so
that
they
can
commence
the
negotiations.
Okay,.
A
Any
discussion
commissioner
spitz
and
then
chairman.
I
Mr
chair,
I
don't
want
to
reiterate
everything.
That's
been
said,
and
I
am
150
support
of
this
project.
It's
very
important
just
a
couple
other
points
to
note.
There
are
businesses
up
there
today
and
homes
up
there
today
that
potentially
cannot
get
their
septic
fields
redone
because
of
the
land
and
and
not
being
able
to
perk.
There
are
some
businesses
that
have
to
put
in
a
engineered
field
that
is
about
four
times
the
cost
of
a
traditional
field
and
to
keep
those
businesses
there.
I
This
is
very
critical
project
for
them
to
be
able
to
maintain
their
business
in
that
region
in
that
area.
Otherwise,
they're
going
to
move
somewhere
else,
which
I
think
commissioner
nash
mentioned,
that
go
to
another
county
or
another
community,
because
they
just
can't
get
the
sewage
support
that
they
need
because
of
the
ground.
That's
there
right
now
they
can't
put
a
septic
field
in.
In
some
cases,
they
can't
even
put
an
engineered
field
in
because
they
don't
have
the
room.
E
Thank
you,
and
I
mean
I
think
the
need
for
this
project
is
clearly
clearly
made
and
the
questions
that
I'm
going
to
rate
I
mean
ask
to
be
addressed
or
figured
out
somehow
are,
are
on
the
lines
like.
How
do
we
make
this
happen?
So
I
mean
the
first
issue.
I
I
heard
about
the
revolving
loan
fund,
I'm
going
to
pay
for
a
certain
phase,
but
this
ask
at
this
point
is
to
pay
for
phase
one
correct.
E
So,
since
our
arpa
doesn't
have
the
requirement
of
dave's
bacon,
how
do
we
ensure
that
I
mean
davis
bacon
like
or
at
minimum
the
building?
The
responsible
bidding
bitter
policies
apply
to
this
as
well.
M
So
genesee
county
will
be
constructing
the
project
and
they
will
have
some.
I
believe,
srf
funds,
so
they'll
have
restrictions
on
what
they
need
to
do
and
I
believe
davis
bacon
is
part
of
that.
So
they'll
have
to
comply
with
those
rules
through
federal
funding
on
the
srf
side,
we're
contributing
to
that.
But
they're
going
to
be
the
ones
that
have
to
follow
the
rules.
A
E
Okay,
that
that
is
great
news,
the
when
we
talked
about
at
phase
two
to
be
able
to
help
pay
back
some
of
the
I
mean
the
remaining
11
million
dollars
that
was
raised.
What
is
the
estimated
annual
revenue
that
would
be
coming
in?
That
could
actually
do
that,
and
I
assume
it's
revenue
to
come
in
to
maintain
it
as
well
as
pay
the
debt
service
on
it.
M
Correct,
I'm
gonna
have
to
pull
that
up.
I
don't
have
it
handy,
but
it
does
it.
So.
The
the
way
we're
looking
at
this
for
phase
two
and
phase
three
is
to
use
the
infrastructure
dollars
to
help
partially
offset
the
principal.
Hopefully,
given
the
amount
of
amount
of
money,
that's
out
there,
so
even
without
any
principal
forgiveness,
without
you
know
any
grants,
we
still
are
able
to
turn
a
profit
in
five
years.
So
what
that
means
is
we
have
to
have.
E
M
M
No,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we'll
have
enough
money
to
make
the
bond
payments
for
that
that
loan
that
we're
gonna
have,
in
addition
to
the
other
loan
that
we'll
have
for
phase
two
and
the
other
loan
for
phase
three.
So
the
idea
is
phase.
One
helps
us
get
everything
started,
helps
us
negotiate
a
contract
helps
get
us
capacity,
helps
get
us
in
the
door
so
that
we
can
actually
connect
to
something
in
the
future
and
then
the
future
phases.
M
Our
intent
is
to
do
completely
with
infrastructure
dollars
through
the
srf
program
and
those
bond
payments
would
have
to
be
made
over
30
years.
We
would
pay
those
back
with
revenue,
that's
coming
in
from
customers,
not
only
for
election
charges
when
they
make
the
connection
to
the
system,
there's
somewhere
between
five
thousand
and
ten
thousand
dollars,
they
pay
per
connection
and
then
in
the
monthly
charges
that
we
pay
for
the
the
service
that
we're
providing.
I
M
Sure
yeah
first
phase
is
about
32
33
million
dollars
with
genesee,
and
so
our
portion
of
that's
about
20
to
23.
in
the
future
phases
we're
talking
about
the
phase
one
in
oakland
phase,
two
that
dixie
highway
extension
is
35
million
dollars
minimum
and
then
the
m15
corridor
is
about
42
million.
So
we're
talking
about
100
million
dollar
total
project.
M
They're
it's
their
cost
so
when
they
make
a
connection
to
the
system,
they're
buying,
basically
a
share
into
the
system
based
on
their
use,
so
a
single
family
home
would
have
one
ru
and
they
would
pay
whatever
cost
per
ru
for
connection
would
be
so,
in
this
case,
we're
estimating
around
seventy
five
hundred
dollars.
E
That's
traditional
per
connector,
so
what
I
mean
from
a
fiscal
impact
specifically
to
oakland
county,
we
mentioned
groveland,
we
mentioned
the
orb
park.
What
is
the
sh?
I
guess
the
short-term
cost
to
hook
up
those
much
larger
entities
and
then
the
estimated
annual
cost
to
the
park
system.
M
I
cannot
answer
specific
to
the
park
system,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know
the
connection.
Charges
are
going
to
be
based
on
the
amount
of
debt
that
we
carry.
So
if
we
carry
less
debt
we
get
more
principal
forgiveness.
Those
costs
will
be
less
and
we'll
be
able
to
pay
off
the
debt
sooner
you
know
for
for.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
find
the
ru
for
the
roble
and
hopes
you
know.
M
Their
cost
is
going
to
be
so
much
per
ru
and
I
believe
they
have
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
30
ru.
So
if
you
multiply
that
by
the
7000,
that
would
be
the
connection
charge,
plus
the
internal
cost
of
connecting
a
sewer
within
the
campground,
so
we
would
extend
along
dixie
highway
and
then
they'd
have
to
do
an
extension
internal
to
get
it
to
their
existing
facilities.
I
hope
I
answer
your
question.
I'm
sorry.
E
Half
a
million
dollars
for
the
hookup
and
then
whatever
the
annual
cost,
based
on
whatever
the
the
total
debt
service
is
to
I
mean
to
those
individual
systems,
and
then
I
guess
I
mean
just
the
last
thing.
I
think
I
mean
10
million
dollars
to
help
make
this
project
I
mean,
I
think
I've
talked
to
individual
many
many
individuals.
Yes,
I'm
supporting
this
project.
I
I
am
struggling
a
little
bit.
We've
got
all
sorts
of
infrastructure
needs
around
the
county.
We've
got
other
water
infrastructure
issues.
E
Let
me
lead
service
line
replacement.
I
mean
all
these
types
of
things
this
is
and
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
bill,
I
think,
is
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
help
addressing
all
of
these
from
a
policy
perspective.
I
think
it's
a
bit
of
a
challenge,
particularly
when
most
the
population
open
county
cert,
I
mean
operates
with
a
sewer
system
that
has
been
borne
by,
I
mean
the
rate
payers
in
those
areas
and
helped
build
this.
I
mean
the
situation
and
so
to
tell
me
another
community
that
the
same
doesn't
have
to
happen
now.
E
Here
I
realize
this
stuff
just
gets
more
and
more
expensive.
Over
time
and
the
longer
we
delay-
and
I
agree
with
I
mean
I
mean
jeremy-
highlighted-
that
not
only
are
these
subject-
takes
a
failing,
a
quarter
that
we
estimate
that
across
the
board,
oakland
county
is
home
to
more
septic
tanks
than
any
other
county
in
the
state.
So
roughly
25
000
septic
tanks
by
that
number
is
probably
failing
all
over
the
county
and
what
is
the
kind
of
the
shared
broad
infrastructure
way
to
help
pay
for
this,
and
so
has
they?
E
E
Is
there
a
way
to
grant
some
of
it
and
also
loan
some
of
it,
so
that
over
some
time
in
some
deferred
way,
I
mean
get
in
front
of
I
mean
get
to
a
point
where
the
system
can
be
generating
revenue
that
can
bring
that
can
be
added,
even
if
it's
on
the
very
back
end
with
I
mean
a
deferment,
zero
percent
interest
that
some
dollars
can
get
repaid
so
that
these
types
of
projects
can
happen
again
in
the
future.
I
mean
what
I
mean.
M
One
clarification
I'd
like
to
make
is
that
all
the
sewer
systems
that
are
in
service
right
now
were
constructed
with
federal
dollars
at
some
point
or
in
some
part
in
the
60s
and
70s,
which
was
subsidized
by
everybody
else
who
pays
into
the
system.
So
this
is
a
very
similar
setup,
but
we're
taking
federal
dollars
that
are
for
infrastructure
use
and
putting
them
to
use
for
infrastructure
to
help
build
a
system
that
doesn't
exist
and
that's
exactly
what
we
did
with
evergreen
farmington
and
with
clinton.
M
So
the
second
part
of
the
question
is:
we
need
the
10
million
dollars
to
proceed
if
we
don't
get
10
million
dollars
given
to
us
in
some
way
this
project
can't
happen.
We
have
to
tell
genesee
no
and
there's
no
better
way
to
serve
this
area
of
a
sewer
in
the
future.
M
If
you
want
to
give
a
loan,
it
just
adds
to
the
debt
load
going
forward
to
make
it
more
difficult
to
to
keep
costs
down
for
people
who
want
to
connect
into
the
system.
So
really,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
minimize
the
amount
of
data
up
front.
Give
us
the
connection.
We
need
in
the
system
to
have
service
going
forward
and
to
do
that
in
a
cost
effective
way
for
the
people
who
are
going
to
use
the
system
in
the
future.
E
M
Yeah,
typically
with
this,
this
sort
of
setup,
where
you
need
the
revenue
you're
going
to
have
an
ordinance
that
requires
people
within
250
feet
to
make
a
connection
to
the
sewer
system.
The
communities
are
going
to
have
some
sort
of
a
grandfather
clause.
For
you
know
when
folks
move
there,
you
know
from
their
homes
single
family
homes,
then
they
would
have
to
upgrade
at
that
point
just
to
for
older
folks
who,
who
don't
have
the
resources,
but
generally
yeah
everyone's
gonna
have
to
connect
who
has
access
to
it.
L
I
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
both
the
arp,
when
it
was
passed
through
the
state
legislature,
actually
funding
it
and
the
the
infrastructure
bill
coming
will
will
specifically
have
specifically
mentioned
mitigation
of
septic
systems
as
something
that's
fundamentals.
So
this
is
again.
If
we
can
do
this,
however,
it's
done.
L
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
done
in
time
for
this
to
happen,
because
you
know
we
talked
about
the
extra
cost,
really
the
only
solution
other
than
this
would
be
to
build
our
own
infrastructure
to
carry
the
sewage
and
a
sewage
treatment
plant
of
our
own,
so
that
those
costs
would
be
significantly
higher
to
that
community
to
those
communities
and
be
kind
of
devastating
to
try
to
do,
and
you
know
even
the
lakes
that
were
protecting
the
parks,
the
recreational
areas,
the
the
businesses.
L
This
is
something
that
we're
we're,
hoping
that,
when
with
does
come
up,
it's
not
going
to
be,
you
know
weighted
down
with
those
extra
long-term
debt.
So
if,
if
we
can
do
this
and-
and
you
know
we're
mentioning
the
revolving
fund
funds,
that
would
be
used,
one
of
those
ways
of
using
of
funding.
This
is
through
that
program,
so
we
could
get
principal
forgiveness
on
these
loans
as
as
our
grant
source,
so
going
forward.
L
We're
trying
to
make
this,
as,
as
you
know,
least,
impact
on
the
ratepayers
as
we
can
and
we're
through
whether
it's
through
the
grants,
whether
it's
through
this
process,
we're
in
right
now
we're
trying
to
make
it
so
that
it's
not
going
to
hit
them
too
hard
when,
when
it
comes
time
to
sign
up
for
these
for
their
service.
J
I
just
had
some
of
the
similar
questions
about
elective
or
mandatory
hookups,
and
I
know
that
I
know
there'll
be
ordinances,
but
it's
usually
when
people
are
failing.
If
it's
around
the
lake,
you
might
make
it
mandatory,
but
if
it's
usually
usually,
if
they're
failing,
then
they
have
to
or
we're
changing
owners.
J
L
Right
well,
it
looks
like
what
what
they've
done
in
the
this
current
legislation
by
this
legislature
is
saying
that
that's
how
it
has
to
be
done.
So
I
you
know,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
done
in
the
in
the
long
term
interests
of
the
communities,
so,
whether
that's
how
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
most
of
that
money
will
be
distributed
so
again,
this
qualifies
for
that
and
we're
hoping
to
get
that
nothing's
guaranteed.
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
whole
thing
we.
L
We
can't
guarantee
that
it's
going
to
happen,
but
we
have
a
really
good
track
record
of
getting
these
kind
of
grants,
and
this
is
all
of
this
qualifies
within
their
systems.
J
J
I
mean
this,
that's
what
makes
us
unique
is
the
chinese,
the
genesee
county
opportunity
right
and-
and
maybe
maybe
we
could
use
this
to
take
a
look
at
as
a
model
and
see
if
some
of
the
same
concepts
could
apply
for
rest
around
the
count
around
the
whole
county.
I
know
that's
if
that's
commissioner
woodward's
concern
is,
is
here
we're
spending
10
million
dollars
of
the
harper
money.
L
We
work
with
every
community
around
for
for
so
many
different
things
from
drains
to
erosion,
to
all
this
stuff,
so
yeah
we
have
a
great
relationship
with
the
communities,
we're
always
willing
to
listen,
find
ways.
We
can
help
them.
Do
these
things
and
again,
this
is
something
that
we
do
so
I
I
appreciate
that
thought.
A
B
You,
mr
chair,
good
morning,
everybody
I
I
am
in
support
of
this
project
because
for
a
couple
of
reasons,
first
of
all,
it
is
the
most
cost
effective
way
to
get
this
done
it
just
it
makes
sense
the
opportunities
there.
If
we
wait,
it's
an
order
of
magnitude
at
least
to
do
this
at
a
later
date.
So
I'm
in
support
of
it
for
that,
but
I
do
agree
with
my
fellow
commissioners
I'd
like
a
better
sense
of
how
big
a
problem
this
is
across
oakland
county.
B
B
We
have
these
so
I
will
support
this,
but
I
would
like
to
see
an
effort
going
forward
to
identify
the
problem
as
it
exists
across
the
county.
Thank
you.
L
I
can
briefly
give
you
an
example:
lower
pettibone
lake,
which
is
upstream
of
kent
lake
in
kensington
park.
They
had
oh
gosh,
six
or
five
or
six
years
ago
at
least
25
homes
along
the
shore.
All
their
septics
were
failing,
so
they
ended
up
having
to
build
a
forced
sewer
that
served
all
those
community
all
those
residents
and
it
ended
up
costing
about
a
million
dollars
altogether.
L
So
the
costs
of
these
things
can
be
significant
and
again
the
communities
come
to
us
when
they
have
these
kind
of
issues
and
we
try
to
help
them
develop
them
projects
to
to
deal
with
it
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
in
the
future.
As
we
go
and
I
agree
we
could
we
could
look
into
this
and
give
you
more
information.
L
Although
I
will
say
septic
fields
are
regulated
by
the
by
the
county
health
department,
not
by
us.
So
we
have,
we
can
find
out
more,
but
that's
not.
We
don't
really
regulate
them
as
a
part
of
our
duties.
Right.
E
Well,
it
is
a
clarification
we
actually
don't
know
where
all
the
septic
tanks
are.
We
know
when
they
get
repaired
or
when
their
permit
was
pulled
to
install
them,
but.
A
D
B
D
I'm
fresh
off
of
some
new
new
understanding
and
learning.
On
my
part,
I
heard
the
word
ordinances
and
it
immediately
made
me
think
of
special
assessment
and
you
talked
about
grandfather
clauses.
So
are
those
things
typically,
city,
village,
township
decisions
in
terms
of
special
assessment
districts
and
who
would
be
grandfathered
in.
M
So
yeah,
typically
the
we're
going
to
draft
an
ordinance
for
each
of
the
townships
to
adopt,
and
so
that
would
be
the
language
that
we
would
request
them
to
adopt
and
they're
going
to
need
to
do
that.
In
order
to
show
bonding
agencies-
and
you
know
to
show
us
that
they
can
make
the
payments.
D
Is
there
any
risk?
Is
there
any
risk?
What
is
that?
Are
we
risk
averse
that
local,
cvts,
or
not
or
townships,
as
you
put
it,
aren't
interested
in
our
ordinance
recommendations
or
we
do
have
the
we
do?
Have
the
understanding
that
if
we
draft
this
ordinance,
we
do
these
things
that
people
will
actually
be
happy
to
participate.
M
Yes,
so
for
the
most
part,
what's
going
to
happen
is
if
you're
on
a
lake
and
your
septic
system
fails
in
brandon,
township
right
you're,
going
to
call
the
health
department
and
if
they're
sewer,
available
they're
going
to
tell
you,
you
can't
have
a
septic
system.
You
need
to
come
back
to
the
sewer.
If
the
sewer
is
nearby,
then
they're
going
to
make
them
connect
into
it
either.
M
D
And
then
brian
back
to
grandfather
clauses
because
he
talked
about
people
who
would
basically
be
able
to
opt
out
it
does
it
happen
to
fall
on
the
titles
when
people
try
to
move
where's
the
ground,
the
grassroots
impact
of
this,
as
far
as
people
being
able
to
move
or
buy
or
sell
their
homes.
M
There's
a
lot
of
ordinances
that
have
been
passed
that
are
time
to
sale,
type
ordinances.
Where
you
could,
you
know
a
person
can
apply
and
say
either
their
poverty
level
or
they
have
difficulties.
M
The
community
may
exempt
them,
but
then
they
would
also
somehow
record,
and
I'm
not
sure
I've
talked
to
attorneys
on
how
that
actually
physically
works,
but
they
would
record
somewhere
that
they
have
to
do
this
at
the
time
of
sale,
and
that
would
be
the
understanding.
So
I
think
that's
the
most
effective
way
to
do
it.
I
was
for
a
whole
ordinance
everyone
connect
in
and
then
there's
a
number
of
houses
along
this
that
are
really
older
houses
with
older
folks
in
them
that
will
be
developed
at
some.
I
I
What
happens
in
a
lot
of
cases
is,
let's
say
we
approve
this.
It
gets
it
goes
in,
but
somebody
put
a
septic
field
in
last
week.
All
right.
It's
got
a
life
of
15
to
20
years,
you're,
not
going
to
ask
them
to
tie
in
right
away.
So
usually
when
we
talk
to
the
health
department,
if
something
has
to
be
replaced,
it's
a
requirement
to
tie
in
and
typically
from
a
cost
perspective,
which
is
where
the
7
500
comes
from.
I
It's
around
the
same
cost
to
put
in
a
new
septic
field
or
to
tap
in
so
you've
got
to
pay
either
way.
So
if
your
septic
field
fails
you're
paying
one
way
or
another,
so
the
recommendation
is
you
tap
into
the
sewer
line
for
roughly
the
same
cost,
hopefully
somewhat
a
little
less
in
some
cases,
definitely
less
than
an
engineered
field
to
tap
in
so
you're
paying
one
way
or
another.
So
it's
not
an
additional
cost
burden.
I
Now
there
might
be
some
cases
where
you
have
some
individuals
or
some
homeowners
that
are
at
the
poverty
level,
et
cetera
that
you
can't
pay
that's
a
different
discussion
is
how
do
they?
Finance
that
they
may
put
it
on
their
tax
roll
and
pay
it
over
years
and
then
once
they
have
paid
off
before
they
sell
the
house
or
something
along
those
lines,
so
they're
not
paying
at
all
at
once.
D
Okay,
well,
that
is
concerning
to
me.
I
appreciate
it.
It's
still
concerning,
because
you
said
it's
older
residents,
they
potentially
might
be
downsizing
moving
and
it's
going
to
put
a
little
bit
of
a
burden
on
them
to
be
able
to
sell
their
home.
With
that,
I
mean
a
good
good
advice
could
help
them
in
that
process.
So,
right
now,
I'm
still
undecided
on
this
well.
I
D
This
is
true,
mr
spez.
I
appreciate
my
colleague
mentioning
cost
effective
in
terms
of
it's
a
good
time
to
take
a
bite
of
the
apple,
because
deferred
maintenance
can
really
add
up
over
time,
and
then
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
grand
blank
township
is
providing
10
million
dollars
all
on
their
own
kind
of
bossy.
M
N
Thanks,
I
was
actually
going
to
ask
about
grand
blank
township,
because
I
noticed
that
10
million
dollars.
Can
you
repeat
what
you
just
said.
M
No,
no,
no,
the
10
million
dollars.
That's
in
that
document
is
what
they
have
to
pay
towards
the
33..
We
have
to
pay
10,
plus
some
debt
right
and
we
don't
know
what
that
amount
is.
Yet
I
think
it's
around
13
million.
They
were
going
to
loan
part
of
that
13
million
up
front
for
us
to
pay
back
through
connection
charges
in
the
future.
M
N
N
Yeah,
okay,
so
well,
I
was
going
to
ask
then
about
grim
blank
township
them
contributing
that
10
they're
actually
contributing
in
total,
then
20
million.
D
C
M
N
N
Okay,
have
you
kind
of
gained
out
what
that
cost
would
be,
because
one
of
my
questions
was
to
follow
up
with
commissioner
spitz's
point
about
considerations
for
people
who
are
poor?
So
if
it's
about
7
500
to
hook
up
with
this
10
million
dollar
grant,
what
would
it
be
if
it
was
a
loan
or
some
part
of
it
was
a
loan.
M
I
don't
have
the
numbers
in
front
of
me.
I
just
know
it's
going
to
cost
more
and,
like
commissioner
fizz
had
mentioned
a
septic
system
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
seven
thousand,
eight
thousand
dollars
to
replace.
We
want
to
be
under
that,
and
what
we
looked
at
initially
is.
If
we
didn't,
if
we
didn't
ask
for
anything
from
oakland
county,
that
number
gets
higher,
it
gets
up
to
around
10
000.
It
makes
it
a
lot
less
affordable
for
people
to
to
connect
in.
C
N
In
what
you
were
just
saying
is
that
can
be
an
sad,
so
it
goes
on
your
taxes
or
there
can
be
poverty
considerations
or
lower
income
or
fixed
income
considerations,
so
that
can
be
paid
off
over
time
and
there's
also
like
a
lien.
Perhaps
they
could
be
placed
on
your
house
so
that
when
you
sell
it,
you
just
get
10
grand
less
is
it
are
these
things
that
are
possible.
M
So
I
think
we're
talking
about
just
a
couple
of
houses.
These
probably
are
going
to
be,
they
have
been
rezoned
or
their
master
plan
different
than
what
they
are
now
and
they'll
probably
be
replaced
with
some
sort
of
a
development.
M
M
Yeah
and
that's
the
same
in
every
other
community.
So
if
you
buy
a
house
and
in
novi
that
connection
charge,
that
new
house
is
already
in
what
you're
paying
for
the
house
yeah
well.
N
So
then,
what
functionally
then
for
the
people
we
represent
in
oakland
county
is
the
the
necessity
of
of
the
grant
versus
a
loan,
because
if
most
of
the
people
that
will
be
like
tying
into
this
are
going
to
be
like
buying
a
new
property.
So
you
could,
if
you
can
get
a
mortgage
for
250
000,
you
can
get
a
mortgage
for
260
thousand
dollars
right.
I
A
A
A
A
O
N
Understood
understood
so
then
my
other
big
question
was
related
to
graham
blank
holly,
brandon,
ortonville
and
groveland
put
in
200
000
right.
Yes,
so
why
are
they
not
putting
in
more
like
how
grand
blanc
is.
M
M
They
invested
the
200
000.
These
communities
only
received
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
like
under
500
000.
and,
as
this
has
gone
on,
they
committed
initially
they
wanted
to
put
in
more.
But
as
this
went
on,
there
was
more
need
related
to
covid
and
things
that
were
happening
with
these
communities
and
they've
had
to
use
a
lot
more
of
those
funds
for
other
things
in
this
project.
N
Okay,
understood
and
then
the
last
thing
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
and
this
kind
of
echoes
what
commissioner
markham
was
saying
is.
I
know
these
are
about
failed
septic
systems,
but,
taking
you
know,
equity
into
account,
doesn't
south
field
have
a
bunch
of
failed
septic
systems?
Is
there
a
plan
afoot
to
address
them?
Is
that
in
the
wrc
catchment
area.
N
Right
yeah,
but
we
don't
need
to
grant
you
10
million
to
do
something
that
you
could
do
with
a
10
million
loan.
That
would
cost
the
future
ratepayers
more
so
we
don't
have
to
do
anything
but
just
taking
equity
into
account
in
southfield.
There's
a
bunch
of
people
that
have
had
failed
septic
for
years
that
aren't
coming
before
us
to
seek
a
grant
or
get
that
grant
that
I've
seen.
So.
Is
that
part
of
your
conversations
ongoing
about
working
on
failed
septics
in
the
county.
M
So
those
are,
those
are
in
a
city
and
the
city
is
responsible
for
their
water
and
sewer
system
individually
and
we're
happy
to
assist
and
we're
more
than,
but
I
think
I
can't
discount
enough
that
building
a
brand
new
system
to
serve
an
area
is
a
lot
more
costly
than
extending
a
sewer
to
serve
an
area.
That's
currently
not
served,
I
mean
the
communities,
you
know
that
would
be
on
them
to
do
that.
N
E
E
M
Yes,
yeah
anything
that
we
can
apply
for
for
for
construction
for,
or
infrastructure
dollars
through
srf
we're
doing
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
us
right.
Is
there
a
cap.
L
A
capital,
I
don't
believe
there
is
no.
I
think
this
would
fit
well
within
that.
So
I
think
again,
this
revolving
fund
is
a
loan
program.
I
think
it's
two
and
a
half
percent
might
be
two
percent
right
now
I
forget,
but
the
the
what
is
coming
through
from
the
affordable,
I
mean
from
the
rescue
plan,
is
basically
principal
forgiveness
for
those
loans.
L
So
what
we'd
be
looking
for
is
getting
those
loans
you
have
to
qualify
for
them,
go
through
the
process
of
getting
a
bond
and
then
then,
if
then,
we
apply,
or
during
that
process
we
apply
for
principal
forgiveness
and
then
they
can
tell
us
how
much
they
forgave
we
got
one
from
for
pontiac
just
recently
for
lead
service
line
replacement.
That
was
a
five
million
dollar
of
principal
forgiveness.
So
it's
it's.
What's
going
to
be,
I
think
most
of
the
drivers
of
the
of
the
grants
will
be
through
that
program.
L
So
we
have
a
really
good
record
of
getting
those
loans,
really
very
good
record
of
getting
those
loans.
It's
the
principal
forgiveness
that
we're
going
to
be
applying
for.
E
Sir,
which
I
think
sounds
great-
I
mean
I
guess
my
my
question
is,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
like
I
mean
juxtapose,
like
the
10
million
dollars,
the
opportunity,
costs
and
figure
out
how
to
get
the.
I
mean
the
biggest
runway
to
do
the
most
things
with
so
follow
my
I
mean
like
calculus
here.
Is
there
a
way
to
get
a?
I
mean
to
go
to
srf
for
this
10
million
dollars,
oakland
county
commits
to
the
debt
service
on
it
for
30
years,
which
at
that
I
mean
that
amount
is.
M
E
E
E
E
M
L
Appropriation
process,
then,
rather
than
this
linking
the
money
well,.
E
E
I
mean
the
residents
and
business
owners
we're
going
to
figure
this
out
with
what
I
am
I
mean
with
trying
to
figure
like
how
do
we
do
this
in
a
way
that
also
helps
us
be
able
to
address
long-term
additional
drain
infrastructure
issues
that,
especially
in
those
areas
in
those
communities
that
I
mean,
and
commissioner
nash
reminds
me-
there's
certain
communities
if
you
they
just
can't
pay
and
like
how
do
we
like?
How
do
we
address
address
those,
whether
that's
redirecting
to
help
more
people
hook
up
faster,
so
it
generates
more
revenue
quicker.
So.
M
One
of
the
things
we
write
a
little
township
is
another
example
of
where
we
went
to
the
state
and
we
received
principal
forgiveness
or
a
disadvantaged
community
and
and
for
disadvantaged
communities.
Principal
forgiveness
is
going
to
be
awesome
and
the
infrastructure
bill
it's
going
to
work
really
well
and
we're
going
to
get
lots
of
things
done
in
those
areas.
The
problem
is,
you
know,
I
can't
get
principal
forgiveness
at
this
point
for
this
project.
M
E
M
This
is
one
of
those
things
where,
as
an
engineer,
I
see
everything
lining
up,
and
I
say
to
myself:
this
has
to
happen
because
there's
not
going
to
be
another
opportunity
for
this
to
happen,
and
so,
in
order
for
me
to
move
forward
and
do
what
I
need
to
do,
I
need
a
commitment
that
you
guys
are
going
to
participate
in
some
way.
Somehow
and
then
I
can
go
and
start
having
discussions
with
tennessee
and
start
negotiating
agreement.
We
can
work
on
all
these
terms
of
how
this
is
all
going
to
apply.
E
You
got
any
discussions.
Well,
it's
not
a
discussion
I
mean
I
can
I
mean
I
can
support
this
as
long
as
that,
we
I
mean
look
at
the.
I
mean
the
way
to
stretch
these
dollars
as
much
as
possible
and
at
some
point
it
might
be,
like
that's,
not
even
feasible,
that
can't
work
to
make
this
project
successful.
E
We're
gonna
commit
this
money
and
at
some
point
it's
gonna
be
needed
and
collected
that
if
the
srf
can
come
in,
if
there's
a
way
to
get
debt,
I
mean,
if
there's
a
way
to
structure
a
deal
that
that
leverages
less
of
like
the
10
million
and
can
actually
dedicate
it
to
more
drain
stuff.
A
Yeah
any
other
discussion,
a
couple
things
is:
I
appreciate
your
care
and
concern
for
the
better
than
50
individuals
out
there
and
letting
them
you
know
to
have
their
time
till
they
move
out
before
costing
them
anything.
So
I
feel
that's
our
responsibility
to
take
care
of
the
people
who
brought
us
where
we're
at
today.
A
Also,
if
we
did
a
loan,
it'd
have
to
come
out
of
the
general
fund
correct,
you
can't
use
arp
money
for
that,
so
that
would
be
a
little
issue
that
we
would
have
so
we'd
have
to
have
it
coming
out
of
our
general
fund,
where
we
have
the
arp
money
that
or
revenue
loss
of
arp
money,
okay,
yeah,
there's
a
way
to
figure
it
out
all
right
and
on
this
I
I'm
fully
supported.
This
is
good
jobs
and
it
makes
sense
for
the
money
it
costs
and
I'm
all
for
building
the
sewer
system.
A
A
Motion
carries,
thank
you,
everybody
and
then,
if
you
have
anybody
has
any
questions
for
slack
and
staff
over
here.
If
it
just,
I
don't
know
they
could
stay
if
they
want,
but
I
want
to
make
them
stay
right,
especially.
A
I
E
I
think
cheryl
there
are
other
applications,
zoom
or
teams
that
you've
used,
that
you
want
make
sure
it's
turned
off,
because
audio
can't
run
through.
A
N
A
Q
Good
morning,
hopefully,
you
can
hear
me,
we
got
you,
okay,
all
right
good.
This
is
a
requesting
approval
to
apply
for
the
fiscal
year.
23
county
veterans
service
fund
grant.
This
funding
is
provided
through
the
michigan
veterans
affairs
agency,
and
they
have
approved
us
for
255
319,
and
we
have
discussed
this
with
my
leadership
and
the
areas
that
we
would
like
to
allocate
in
the
application
are
for
our
transportation
program.
Q
We've
worked
with
smart
we've,
gotten
a
interlocal
agreement
with
them,
which
we
just
executed
fairly
recently
and
we're
just
kicking
off
that
program.
We
just
sent
out
the
press
release,
so
we
want
to
continue
that
program.
We
feel
like
we've
done
all
the
ground
work
to
get
it
going
and
forward
we'll
be
able
to
kick
it
off,
starting
basically
october
1st
of
2022..
Q
We
also
want
to
continue
our
highly
successful
veterans.
Resource
fairs
we've
been
having
those
throughout
the
county
one
a
month
occasionally
two
times
a
month
and
those
have
been
very
successful
with
we're
allocating
funds
for
are
to
provide
meijer
cards.
Fifty
dollar
meyer
cards
as
an
incentive
for
individuals
that
are
for
veterans
or
dependents,
to
attend
those
resource
fairs
and
we're
also
going
to
be
using
funds
to
purchase
food
boxes
through
forgotten
harvest.
Q
We
also
want
to
allocate
funds
for
marketing
again
to
kind
of
promote
these
programs
that
we
have
we're.
Also
going
to
do
some
veterans
owned
business
entrepreneur,
workshops
to
encourage
veterans
who
are
interested
in
starting
their
own
business
or
currently
have
a
business
that
they
are
interested
in
in
increasing
or
improving.
We've
got
our
first
one
of
those
that
we
use
our
fiscal
year.
22
funds
set
for
tomorrow,
actually
at
occ
a
campus
in
southfield,
so
we're
excited
about
that.
We
have
75
individual
or
individuals
that
signed
up
for
that
first,
one.
Q
So
we're
thinking
that
this
is
going
to
be
something
very
successful
going
forward.
The
last
item
we
have
is
outreach
needs
just
some
in
items
that
we
need
in
order
to
be
successful
when
we're
doing
our
outreach.
Some
technology
items,
such
as
signature,
pads,
portable
screen
scanners
and
printers
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Anybody.
J
I
mean
this
starts.
This
starts
in
october.
This
is
going
to
help.
You
continue
all
these
programs
that
you
think
are
working
well
for
the
veterans
right,
I'm
sorry!
I
couldn't
hear
you
first,
sir.
I'm
sorry
so
this
this
is
for
october
of
this
year
starts,
but
it's
gonna,
you
you're
gonna,
continue
the
programs
that
you're
doing
right
now
that
are
working,
you
think,
are
working
for
the
veterans.
Then
you're
gonna
continue
this
right.
Q
A
You
all
right,
commissioner,
woodward
yeah.
E
I
mean
mr
whitefirst,
I
mean
this
is
a
state
grant,
I
mean
expanded
and
I
know-
and
I
really
want
to
applaud
garth
I
mean
I
I'm
really
hyper
zoned
in
on
the
the
veteran
transportation
issue.
I'm
just
really
glad
to
see
that
getting
off
the
ground.
I
know
it
was.
I
mean
covet
created
some
like
stalin.
I
mean
when
that
stall.
It
just
wasn't
feasible
to
launch
a
program,
so
I'm
very
excited
on
the
marketing
front.
E
Do
you
have
like
any
metrics
in
terms
I'm
just,
and
this
is
the
question
that
I
continue
to
struggle
and
struggle
with-
is
that
we
there's
a
finite
number
of
veterans
and
their
supporters
like?
How
do
we
get
that
list?
Someone
has
that
list
somewhere
somewhere,
that
is
it
better
to
directly
market
to
them
versus
kind
of
this
more
broadcast
marketing.
Do
you
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
people
who
are
coming
to
the
office?
Do
I
mean?
Do
you
have
some
sort
of?
E
I
mean
evaluation
of
impact
of
what
radio
billboard
digital
like
these
more
broadcast?
Things
have
accomplished.
Q
We
have
different
means
that
we're
using
to
try
and
make
sure
we
get
everybody.
We
do
have
a
direct
mailing
list
that
we
do
use
that
we
had
to
purchase
from
a
third
party
and
we
use
that
for
direct
mailing
purposes.
But
we
try
to
make
sure
with
the
digital
billboards,
with
the
social
media,
with
the
direct
mailing
radio
advertising
that
we
get
across
a
broad
group.
We
we
are
kicking
off.
We
just
signed
our
agreement
for
this
year's,
so
you'll
probably
be
hearing
our
radio
ads
and
seeing
our
billboards
now.
Q
The
last
time
we
did
the
marketing
we
saw
a
fairly
substantial
increase
and
I
believe
it
was
about
a
16
increase
in
contacts
to
our
offices,
based
on
what
we
felt
was
that
marketing
campaign
we
did
compared
month
to
month
before
it
started,
then
once
it
started,
so
we're
hoping
for
a
similar
impact
going
forward.
Great
thanks.
A
Q
A
A
Motion
carries
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
now
we'll
go
back
to
the
second
agenda
item
that
was
on
there
airport
lease
a
land
lease
addendum
midfield
management
llc.
B
Okay,
great,
I'm
sorry
for
the
inconvenience
good
morning,
everyone
I
have
a
airport
land
lease
addendum
with
midfield
management.
This
is
an
addendum
to
a
lease
that
we
entered
into
back
in
2013..
B
A
O
Morning
my
name
is
erin
quatel,
I'm
the
environmental
sustainability
officer
for
oakland
county
and
I'm
going
to
quickly
just
give
a
background
of
how
this
all
came
to
be,
and
then
we
can
have
a
discussion
about
this.
But,
prior
to
me,
starting
last
october,
there
was
a
conversation
between
oakland
university
and
our
deputy
county
executive,
hillary
chambers
about
formalizing,
a
partnership
between
oakland,
university
and
oakland
county,
and
so
in
those
conversations
and
then
after
coming
on
board,
we
talked
about
different
ways
that
we
could
partner.
O
One
of
the
things
that
oakland
university
is
particularly
interested
in
is
sustainability
because
they
are
looking
at
sustainability
practices
for
their
campus
as
well,
and
so
they
would
like
to
partner
with
us
in
any
way
whether
that
be
supporting
us,
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
to
co-create
some
resources
or
research,
and
so
that's
really
the
premise
of
this.
In
the
negotiations
in
contract
that
we
went
back
and
forth
with
which
has
been
reviewed
by
both
parties
and
both
legal
teams.
We
looked
at.
You
know
us
moderate
monetary.
O
You
know
support
for
oakland
university
so
that
we
can
utilize
their
expertise
with
their
staff,
grad
students
and
undergraduate
students
that
is
in
the
amount
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
It
can
be
reviewed
and
renewed
at
any
time.
We
kind
of
left
it
open
and
broad
to
make
sure
that
it
fits
both
parties,
and
I
think
that
there
was
one
more
thing
I
was
going
to
mention,
and
I
apologize
it
just
left
my
mind.
So
perhaps
I'll
think
about
it
in
a
moment.
I
Have
a
question
from
from
a
scope
perspective
going
back
to
one
of
our
public
comments.
It
says
that
you
will
approve
the
scope
is:
is
there
anything
out
there
that
says
that
it
should
be
reviewed
by
the
board
of
commissioners
or
somebody
in
the
executive
office
or
somebody
outside
of
that
from
a
scope
perspective?
O
That's
a
good
question,
so
we
have
talked
about
a
few
different
types
of
ideas:
it's
very
common
for
communities
and
municipalities
to
have
formal
partnerships
with
higher
ed
education
institutions,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
we
had
discussed
were
research
programs
such
as
air,
quality,
monitoring
or
water
quality
monitoring.
You
know
making
sure
it
aligns
with
the
county
objectives
to
you
know
as
we
serve
our
communities
and
so
really
it's
a
very
similar
basis
to
researcher
or
other
programs.
O
O
After
our
meeting
that
we
had
was
you
know
using
the
talent
that
we
have
here
in
oakland
county
using
the
talent
that
we
have
within
our
community
partners
and
really
thinking
about
how
we
can
progress
with
you
know
a
variety
of
different
innovations
and
so
thinking
about
maybe
climate
action,
some
sort
of
sustainability
programming.
I
know
that
they're
very
interested
in
particularly
in
electric
vehicle
infrastructure,
and
that
has
been
a
big
discussion,
even
within
our
economic
development
department.
O
O
A
Q
Same
see,
I
am
jason
warner,
I'm
the
manager
of
planning
engineering
with
facilities
management
here
at
the
county,
ed
joss,
the
director
of
facilities
management
is
with
me
and
barb.
Henke
and
heather
calcatera
are
online
from
public
services
and
children's
village.
Q
The
children's
village
campus
life
safety
project
is
designed
to
increase
the
life
safety
aspects
of
the
eight
buildings
in
the
village.
It
includes
bringing
the
buildings
up
to
current
building
codes.
Many
of
them
were
built
in
the
mid
60s,
so
we've
worked
with
the
waterford
fire
department
and
developed
plans
to
increase
the
fire
exit
paths.
The
the
lighting
emergency
lighting
door
swings
hardware
and
aspects
like
that.
Those
buildings
are
occupied,
most
of
them
24
hours
a
day.
N
I'm
just
curious
the
end
part
of
the
budget
breakdown,
fmndo,
maintenance,
division,
architectural
and
then
building
and
safety.
Architectural
is
that
is
that,
like
a
transfer
between
departments
for
the
work
like
that
looks
to
me
like
what
it
does
is
like
being
and
is
that
the
same
sort.
F
N
E
So
I
certainly
support
all
these
things.
I
I
couldn't
tell
is
this:
does
this
make
sure
that
all
the
alarms
on
doors
work
correct?
Okay?
Yes,
so
that's
a
good
thing!
I
believe-
and
is
this
also
the
fence
around
the
outside?
That's
right.
E
F
Well,
some
enhancements
have
been
done,
but
these
are
the
additional
ones
this
additional
funding.
We
need
to
finish
them
up,
but
jason
can
comment
on
the
the
timing
of
it.
Yeah.
Q
So
the
the
project
has
been
bid
already
to
annually
pre-bid
vendors,
so
pending
approval
in
in
these
meetings,
the
project
will
be
set
up
with
a
fiscal
services
department.
Then
we'll
be
able
to
schedule
work
immediately
after
that
right
and.
E
Q
Other
other
than
the
fmno
group
and
building
safety,
so
our
internal
fmno
staff
will
have
some
work
to
do
and
then
the
building
safety
group,
which
falls
under
homeland
security,
will
also
have
some
work
with
card
access
and
some
of
the
building
intrusion,
alarms
and
that
type
of
work
got.
It.
E
D
D
So
it
says
you,
whereas
to
accomplish
this
task,
jfr
architects
were
solicited.
What
what
is
that
process
like?
Where
do
you?
Is
there
a
have
names
and
you
just
jfr
architects?
How
do
we,
it
seems,
like
that's
already
been
done
and
that's
in
this
resolution.
So
what's
the
process
there
yeah.
F
So
jfr
architects
is
one
of
our
annual
vendors
one
of
our
annual
architects.
We
have
a
few
of
them
under
annual
contract.
They
go
through
the
same
rfp
and
bidding
process
that
any
of
our
other
contracts
were
are
so
in.
This
jason
can
can
maybe
comment
on
what
happened
in
this
instance,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
what
happens
on
a
regular
basis
if,
if
the
project
is
not,
you
know
so
large
that
it
exceeds
the
threshold
of,
I
believe,
the
250
000
right
that
was
set
forth
by
resolution
by.
F
D
F
So
they
vary.
I
would
have
to
look
at
our
list
of
contracts
and
find
out
when
that
contract
expires.
But
you
know
facilities
management
has
a
long
list
of
of
contractors.
I
don't
know
offhand,
but
the
list
could
be
as
long
as
a
hundred
for
for
everything
from
architecture.
Engineering
to
you
know
the
dogs
that
come
on
campus
and
scare
the
geese
away
right.
So
we
don't
have
right,
goose
mess
all
over
so
and
and
everything
in
between
and
they
and
they
all
they
all
vary
right.
F
So,
but
but
the
architect
contracts
typically
like
we,
we
bid
them
out
and
then
we'll
award
to
three
different
architects
all
at
the
same
time,
and
then
those
contracts
are
usually
set
up
for
three
years
can
be
extended
to
five.
After
five
we
have
no
choice.
We
have
to
go
to
re-bid.
D
Okay,
all
of
that
sounds
fair
and
appropriate.
I
guess
through
the
chair
and
I'm
glad
that
the
ex-officios
are
in
the
building
as
well.
Is
that
to
quote
he
so
I
figured
it
was
a
he
to
have
a
lot
of
familiarity
with
code.
It's
probably
likely
you
would
be
familiar
because
you
tend
to
get
the
jobs,
and
so
it
is
imperative
that
we
find
a
way
of
that
hundred
that
he
spoke
about
how
many
of
them
are
minority
businesses,
how
many
of
them
are
owned
by
women?
Probably
nil.
D
So
it's
great
that
we
have
policies
and
procedures,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
when
the
time
comes
up,
that
we
do
better
at
spreading
the
love
to
underrepresented,
business
owners,
and
that's
that's
all
I've
got.
Thank
you.
F
I
will
comment-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
helps
or
not,
but
one
of
the
annual
architects
that
we
do
have
is
female
owned
and
they
are
that
firm
is
working
on
other
projects
for
us
just
not
this
one
and
we
are
making
a
conscious
effort.
We
are
working
working
with
our
purchasing
group
moving
forward
to
see
that
our
vendors
are
falling
more
in
line
with
the
county's
new
core
values.
I
I
noticed,
there's
an
extra
line
under
contingency
that
I
had
normally
seen
before,
which
is
a
20
inflation
contingency
which,
based
on
material
costs,
everything
else
going
on.
I
somewhat
understand
that
so
first
question
is:
is
that
a
normal
thing
we're
going
to
see
in
all
the
future
estimates?
Is
there
going
to
be
an
extra
contingency
line
for
inflation.
F
Yes,
so
we
we
haven't,
instructed
everyone
in
facilities
management
to
include
an
additional
20
percent
inflationary
contingency
for
all
of
our
projects.
Our
you
know.
Until
either
we
see
things
settle
down
as
far
as
like
labor
and
material
costs.
But
that's
that's
all
we
can
do
at
this
point
to
try
to
cover
what's
happening
with
the
market
right
now.
We
we
cross
our
fingers
and
hope
that
we
don't
have
to
dip
into
that.
F
But
what
we
want
to
try
to
avoid
is
coming
to
you
or
you
know
the
other
committees
in
the
board
and
asking
for
funding
to
fund
projects,
and
then
you
know
finding
out
months
in
that
we
need
more
money
and
have
to
come
back
right.
F
A
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
proposals
that
we're
receiving
from
contractors,
they're
they're
only
holding
their
prices
for
30
days,
in
some
cases,
they're
only
holding
their
prices
for
seven
days
and
that's
a
huge
challenge
for
us
because,
as
you
know,
this
process
to
bring
these
projects
in
front
of
the
committees
get
approval,
go
to
the
full
board
work
with
purchasing
to
award
a
contract
that
that
process
takes
weeks.
So
we're
constantly
chasing
right
these
these
price
updates
and
in
most
cases
their
price
increases
right.
I
F
I
F
It
depends
on
the
project.
Typically,
we
we
use
a
15
15,
a
15
scope
in
in
construction
contingency
now,
when
we
work
with
contractors
like
construction
managers
or
subcontractors.
Typically,
their
numbers
will
include
a
contingency
as
well,
that
might
be
five
or
ten
percent.
We
put
our
owner's
contingency
of
15
on
top
of
that,
and
then
this
20
contingency
is
on
top
of
that
to
deal
with
what
we're
dealing
with
in
the
market.
I
J
I
F
Yeah
and-
and
it
may
be
just
where
that
line
is
represented
in
this
project
estimate-
you
know
the
20
a
lot
of
times.
Is
I
hear
you
that
you're
saying
that
that
it
should
be
lower,
but
just
so
everybody's
aware
that
that
20
percent
in
a
lot
of
cases
is
just
applied
to
the
construction
and
not
all
the
other,
like
owners
owner's
costs.
So
we'll.
I
A
Hope
so
any
other
discussion,
commissioner
woodward.
E
E
This
price
is
good
for
seven
days
and
I've
never
experienced
that
before
and-
and
I
can
relate
we-
it
might
be
worth
having
a
conversation,
for
I
mean
grabbing
the
best
price
when
we
can
and
figure
out
a
way
to
accelerate
some
stuff,
particularly
in
this
time
where,
where
material
costs
are
or
what
it
is,
whether
that's
like
empowering
the
economic
development
committee
to
author,
I
mean
have
a
pot
of
dollars
that
can
authorize
so
that
we're
not
taking
two
weeks.
E
E
I
I
think
I've
been
accused
of
doing
things
too
fast,
so
but
yeah
I
mean,
I
think
we
it
it
particularly
if
we're
chasing
like
the
lowest
price.
Like
let's
I
mean
I
know
that
we
got
a
process
that
we
want
to
go
through
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
appropriate
due
diligence
and
all
that
type
of
stuff.
I
And
I
do
appreciate
that
comment,
because
one
of
the
reasons
I
want
to
bring
up
the
20
inflation,
so
everybody's
aware,
I
think
everybody's
aware,
but
I
wanted
to
make
it
a
point-
make
sure
everybody's
aware
that
we
have
issues
out
there
from
resources
to
materials,
etc
that
are
continuing
to
go
up
on
a
regular
basis
and
in
some
cases,
are
unpredictable
of
what
the
numbers
can
come
in
come
in
at
because
it
could
change
tomorrow.
You
know
based
on
flow,
I
think
that's
apply.
I.
A
F
It
varies
yeah.
I
can
tell
you
that
on
this
project
here
that
if
we
weren't
able
to
get
this
this
item
on
this
agenda,
we
would
have
missed
the
window
for
when
they
were
holding
their
pricing
and
then
we
would
have
had
to
go
out
to
bid
again
right
which
that
process
takes
time.
And
then
you
know
we
would
have
been
back
here,
like
probably
two
months
from
now
hoping
that
we
can
get
the
you
know
the
agenda
item
through,
or
else
it's
just
a
yeah.
You
know
you
know.
A
J
N
Q
This
project,
here
is
to
add
a
permanent
fence
around
the
entire
children's
village
campus.
The
campus
is
roughly
80
acres
and
this
is
around
5
600
lineal
feet
fence.
Q
This
project
estimate
of
two
two
million
three
hundred
thousand.
It
also
includes
all
site
work
and
electrical
work
card
readers
cameras,
anything
associated
with
that
barb,
hey,
hanky
and
heather
are
also
with
us
today.
To
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
on
policies
and
procedures
for
the
project.
I
A
I
A
P
They
have
been
working
on
rule
revisions,
probably
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
to
two
years
now,
and
so
during
that
process,
we
knew
that
there
were
some
changes
coming
specifically
related
to
things
like
truancy,
seclusion
and
physical
restraint,
and
so,
although
we
weren't
aware
of
this
specific
rule
changes
until
actually
june
1st,
we
knew
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
make
some
changes
previously.
P
So,
as
of
june
1st,
the
rules
were
rewritten
and
I
believe
you
actually
have
a
handout
that
contains
some
excerpt,
an
excerpt
from
the
licensing
rules
so
effective
november
1st
in
child
caring
institutions,
physical
restraint
is
prohibited,
except
for
those
that
are
outlined
under
something
called
emergency
restraint,
and
so
the
use
of
emergency
restraint
is
really
only
allowed,
and
I'm
going
to
read
from
the
rules
here
when
all
other
interventions
in
the
agency's
crisis
prevention
and
intervention
plan
and
the
youth's
individual
safety
and
calming
plan
have
been
utilized.
P
F
F
We
put
a
fence
along
a
portion
of
telegraph
because
pedestrians
that
walk
down
telegraph
that
want
to
get
to
someone
on
you
know
the
west
side
of
telegraph
in
waterford
would
use
the
village
as
a
shortcut
and-
and
I
know
that
the
village
would
constantly
be
radioing
their
their
folks
to
run
out
on
into
the
middle
of
the
campus
and
find
out
who
the
stranger
is.
That's
walking
through
right.
The
middle
of
campus,
because
the
the
residents
up
there
are
out
are
outside
a
lot
they're
on
the
playground.
F
A
Any
other
discussion,
commissioner
spitz
for
a
second
time.
I.
F
We
did
vet
a
few
different
options
at
least
three
and
the
the
type
of
fence
that
we're
using
we
feel
and
and
heather
and
barb,
and
their
team
feel
is
the
appropriate
type
of
fence
for
this
application
right.
We
we
need
it
to
be
secure,
but
we
also
don't
want
to
create
an
environment
that
looks
like
a
prison
right.
F
We
did
look
at
some
less
expensive
options
which
would
allow
some
of
the
existing
fence
to
stay
in
place,
but
that
existing
fence
is
a
chain
link
fence,
that's
very
easy
to
climb
and
is
only
six
feet
high,
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
looked
at
simply
trying
to
add
an
additional
couple
of
feet
to
the
to
the
fence.
That's
there
and
possibly
put
a
kickback
on
it
right
where
it
goes
up
and
it
kicks
back,
so
people
can't
get
over
it
as
easy.
Well
as
it
turned
out
and
jason
correct
me.
F
If
I'm
wrong
to
do
that,
it
was
actually
more
expensive
than
actually
just
putting
in
new
fence
right.
There
are
some
cases
where
you
know
if
the
fence
pole
is
only
six
feet
tall,
we
need
an
eight
foot
pole
and
you
got
to
take
the
old
ones
out
and
put
them
in
and
then
we're
talking
with
the
staff
from
children's
village.
They
they
felt
that
to
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
spend
this
much
money
to
secure
the
campus,
that
this
was
the
the
appropriate
way
to
do
it.
F
J
And
you
use
the
word
prison.
We
call
a
children's
village
and
there's
all
kinds
of
different
levels
of
kids
there,
there's
turins
and
and
there's
people
that
might
be
on
their
way
to
prison
forever
right
murders.
So
it's
nice
that
you
for
mental
health-wise.
It's
it's
nice
to
have
it
like
like
here.
We
call
the
campus.
We
call
it
villages,
so
it's
nice
to
have
a
little
balance,
but
still
hitting
that
balance
can
be
expensive
right
right.
F
A
I
F
A
F
A
Carries
thank
you,
gentlemen.
Yeah
thank
you
and,
ladies
all,
right
now
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
agenda.
Item
next
agenda
item
is
appropriating
american
rescue
plan
act,
local
fiscal
recovery
funds
to
address
the
impact
of
kobe
19
on
early
childhood
education,
staffing
supply
in
oakland
county
in
partnership
with
the
united
way
for
southeast
michigan
need
a
motion
moved
by
commissioner
cavallo
second
by
commissioner
wiper
good
morning.
G
G
G
R
Yeah,
thank
you,
commissioner,
and
thank
you
all
for
having
me
today.
I'm
jeff
miles
I'm
senior
director
over
early
childhood
at
the
united
way
for
southeastern
michigan
capacity.
We
oversee
a
10
county
region,
so
we
have
our
thumb
on
the
pulse
of
of
the
trends
in
early
childhood
and
as
commissioner
gershon
you
know,
alluded
to,
there's
no
greater
impact.
A
few
things
have
greater
impact
on
economic
recovery
than
quality
early
childhood
education.
R
Parents
can
get
back
to
work
and
children
get
a
great
start
towards
their
future,
but
we
have
to
have
enough
certified
staff
to
do
that.
And
so,
when
we
hear
about
the
governor's
expansion
of
the
four-year-old
preschool
program
head
starts
the
subsidy.
We
need
to
have
certified
staff
in
those
classrooms
in
our
conversations
as
part
of
that
committee,
but
also
continuing
with
oakland
isd,
ulsa
and
others.
You
know
there
remains
a
dearth
of
certified
staff
to
to
meet
the
need,
and
so
the
base
certification
required
for
these
classrooms.
R
You
know,
especially
the
subsidized,
the
low
cost
or
no
cost
programs.
It's
called
cda
child
development
associates
and
united
way
runs
a
three
agency
network
across
the
tri
county
region
to
provide
training
around
that
cda,
as
well
as
other
licensing
hours
for
workforce
and
staff
in
early
childhood
education.
R
This
work
will
be
focused
solely
in
oakland
county
and
we'll
focus
on
providing
four
cohorts
of
25
each
to
do
the
trainings
required
to
meet
that
cda
credential,
as
well
as
the
self-directed
trainings
that
will
be
provided
by
oakland
family
services.
So
there's
a
12-week
cohort
that
meets
every
week
on
saturdays
generally,
as
well
as
self-directed,
trainings
and
other
supports
that
will
be
provided
by
oakland
family
services.
R
We
are
certified
gold
nationally,
so
we
have
been
doing
this
work
for
quite
a
while.
We've
had
great
success,
we've
trained
over
500
individuals
with
about
an
85
success
rate.
So
we
really
think
this
will
create
a
pipeline
into
early
childhood
education,
more
families
to
benefit
from
these
programs
and
really
set
open
county
up
for
success.
I
Thank
you,
mr
joe
just
a
quick
question
or
short
question.
I
I
I'm
so
in
support
of
this.
I'm
just
wondering.
I
R
Yeah
we
have
a
variety
of
outreach
strategies
and,
as
part
of
that,
early
childhood
support
network,
we
are
talking
with
providers
constantly
that
are
looking
to
come
into
the
gsrp
programs,
but
need
to
get
their
staff.
Certified
we've
worked
with
the
state
and
their
teach
scholarship.
There's
wait
lists
for
that,
and
so
we
leverage
all
of
those
things
to
keep
the
cost
as
low
as
possible.
R
R
I
think
this
is
a
great
opportunity
for
that
and
we'll
leverage
all
of
those
marketing
and
outreach
pieces
as
well.
Thank.
G
B
G
A
D
A
G
Well,
I
want
to
echo
that
this
has
been
something
we've
talked
about
for
years
and
that
this
is
in
no
way
a
punitive
action
towards
the
road
commission.
I
know
I've
worked
for
many
years
very
successfully
with
the
road
commission.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
I
just
have
I'm
in
support
of
forming
a
committee
to
discuss
this
and
it
has
been
discussed.
I
know,
since
you
know
way
back
because
I
remember
somebody
else
talking
about
this
way
back,
but
I
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
potential
optic
conflict
of
interest
kind
of
thing,
and
so
I
think
if
we
are
going
to
do
this,
it
should
rather
than
be
chaired
by
our
economic
development
infrastructure
committee,
chair
I'd
rather
see
it
be
chaired
by
the
board
of
commissioners
chair.
B
Or
someone
else,
but
you
know,
and
and
I've
talked
with
commissioner
miller
about
this
and
and
he
understands
why
I
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
about
it.
I
like
the
idea
of
having
the
committee
to
really
get
to
the
meat
of
this.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
setting
ourselves
or
the
road
commission
or
any
of
our
members
up
for
chaos
that
doesn't
need
to
exist.
So.
A
Well,
if
I
can
answer
anything,
we
do
that
it
does
a
study
group
of
this
sort's
going
to
bring
chaos
doesn't
matter
when
it
is
right
because
you're
talking
about
potentially
consolidating
a
department
into
the
commission
and
if
it
doesn't
make
sense
like
if
it
doesn't
save
money,
we're
not
going
to
do
it
right
in
the
board.
It'll
be
made
up.
It's
not
just
one
person's
decision
right.
It's
everybody's
decision,
that's
on
the
committee
on
the
city.
B
I
don't
disagree
with
that
right,
commissioner,
your
your
point
is
well
taken,
but
I
I
don't.
I
can't
support
it
with
you
as
the
chair.
Okay,
okay,
thank
you.
N
B
A
Well
per
the
resolution
right,
we
could
have
done
it
where
we
had
the
chair
of
the
commission
just
to
do
an
appointment
without
this,
but
I
wanted
this
to
be
open,
transparent
right
and
go
through
the
conversation
and
make
sure
whoever's
interested
that
they
want.
They
can
be
part
of
this
and
that
we
appoint.
So
that's
why
we
didn't
do
it
just
as
we're
setting
up
this
committee.
D
I
A
A
I
have
no
say
in
what
they
do
from
day
to
day
it's
no
different
than
us
appointing
the
chair
of
the
road
commission
that
is
part
of
our
union
to
be
part
of
the
road
commission
that
makes
those
decisions
right
what's
on
those
contracts,
so
it's
no
different
than
that.
We'd
like
to
have
subject
experts
on
all
our
committees
and
I'd
come
from
that
field.
So
I
feel,
like
it'd,
be
different.
If
I
was
guitar
string
makers
which
we
do
represent,
grand
rapids.
I
A
I
can
answer
a
few.
I
I
talked
to
coulter
about
it
and
executive
culture
and
he
said
it's
a
study
group.
So
it's
a
study
group.
He
said
he's.
Okay
with
that
the
first.
His
first
reaction
was,
which
everybody
thinks
like
it's
automatically
we're
bringing
them
in
right.
That's
what
we're
doing
the
resolution.
It's
just
the
ecosystem
study
group,
I'm
all
for
study
groups
right.
We
didn't
do
a
feasibility
study
because
we're
trying
to
see
if
it
saves
money
not
spend
money
to
see
if
it
saves
money.
A
D
D
I
I
do
want
to
say
that
as
a
noob
along
with
mr
cavell,
that's
probably
the
number
one
thing
people
put
me
aside
on
is
the
roads
and
I'm
like?
Oh,
that's
not
me
and
they're
like
well
you're
passing
the
buck,
so
I
just
for
context,
say
people
already
think
it's
us
so
I
just
want.
I
just
want
that
to
be
clear.
So
if
nothing
for
mr
woodward.
D
D
D
I
D
B
D
A
B
A
N
D
N
S
L
Sure
yeah
this
is
this-
is
funding
for
the
the
affordability
program,
we're
doing
I'll,
let
I'll
let
steve
go
ahead
and
kind
of
give
us
the
30
000
foot.
S
Sure
I'll
keep
it
at
a
high
level.
The
staff
member
spearheading
this
effort.
This
affordability
study,
kelsey
cook.
She
couldn't
make
the
meeting
today
so
I'll,
be
able
to
cover
a
very
high
level
of
what
we're
doing
at
the
water
resources
office.
We
also
have
another
staff,
member
sarah
rubino
she's
on
the
call,
but
she
is
in
the
details,
part
of
the
coalition.
S
That's
looking
at
this
affordability
study
and
by
way
of
a
very
brief
history,
our
office
applied
for
and
received
a
400
000
grant
from
the
state
to
look
into
affordability
and
what
we
mean
by
affordability
is
looking
to
help
folks
with
assistance
to
pay
their
water
bills
and
so
going
through.
S
That
process
focused
on
the
communities
of
royal
oak
township
and
pontiac
the
two
communities
that
benefit
most
from
a
program
such
as
this
for
assistance,
and
so
we
established
a
coalition
with
community
members
and
and
other
groups
to
participate
in
the
discussion
and
how
best
to
move
forward
and
we're
coming
around
the
bend
with
that
process.
Working
on
our
final
report,
final
recommendations
and
the
real
key
is
to
provide
assistance
to
households
that
find
themselves.
S
You
know
below
the
poverty
level
to
help
them
pay
their
water
bills
and
right
now,
the
program
that's
out
there.
That's
most
talked
about
most
familiar
with.
It's
called
the
wrap
program
and
that's
sponsored
by
great
lakes.
Water
authority
and
oakland
county
does
receive
a
portion
of
funding
on
the
order
of
800
thousand
dollars
for
water
bill
assistance
through
the
wrap
program.
S
What
has
happened
in
the
past
few
years
with
the
pandemic
and
a
moratorium
on
shutoffs
enrollment
in
this
program
is
way
down
by
our
calculations.
Only
two
and
a
half
percent
of
oakland
county
eligible
households
that
can
take
advantages
of
advantage
of
this
program
are
currently
enrolled.
S
So
there's
a
steep
drop
off
of
people
enrolling
to
get
help
and
that,
conversely,
led
to
a
very
rise
in
a
higher
rise
in
water
bills
that
that
remain
unpaid
across
the
county
that
we're
seeing
so
the
goal
of
the
program
is
to
get
the
assistance
to
the
households
before
this
water
bill
debt
is
certified
to
their
tax
roll
of
their
property.
S
S
That's
going
to
help
with
the
rap
program
and
where
we
fit
in
water
resources
office
is
our
customers
who
need
assistance,
rely
on
our
office
on
our
billing
folks
to
direct
them
to
get
this
assistance,
and
that's
that's
the
real
key
of
or
what
we're
trying
to
develop
here
is
to
get
people
who
are
unable
to
pay
their
bills
to
establish
that
communication.
S
To
let
them
know,
assistance
is
available
and
send
them
in
the
right
direction
so
that
they
can
get
help
and
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
through
marketing
and
communication,
and
a
lot
of
collaboration
with
community
action
agencies
and,
right
again
right
now.
Our
emphasis
is
going
to
be
on
pontiac
and
royal
oak
township,
who
can
benefit
the
most,
but
ultimately
this
is
going
to
be
a
county-wide
program
for
anybody
who
needs
assistance
and
qualifies
for
assistance.
S
What's
before
you
in
this
resolution,
there's
there's
a
couple
items:
we've
already
expended
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
offered
by
the
state,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
on
finishing
off
our
policies
and
programs
and
our
communication
efforts
for
oakland,
county
and
so
part
of
the
resolution
asked
for
an
additional
312
thousand
dollars
for
us
to
continue
with
those
efforts-
and
I
believe
in
the
pack,
there
was
a
breakdown
of
the
activities
and
how
that
number
was
calculated.
S
For
the
background.
The
other
part
of
it
is
there's
a
request
for
1.2
million,
and
that
is
due
because
oakland
county's
share
of
the
rap
program
is
insufficient
to
cover
the
costs
of
those
who
would
qualify.
S
So
we
see
as
enrollment
increases,
we
will
have
more
need
than
the
800
000
provided,
and
so
that
is
where
the
request
of
the
1.2
million
dollars
comes
in
from
the
american
rescue
plan
funds.
S
There's
a
long-range
goal,
maybe
not
long
range,
but
the
ultimate
goal-
I
guess,
is
the
best
way
to
put
it-
is
we're
working
with
state
legislatures
to
try
to
have
a
statewide
policy
and
a
funding
mechanism
built
in
to
have
this
type
of
system,
assistance
for
water
bills
and
the
best
parallel
to
that
is:
there's
a
heat
and
warmth
fund
rate
for
gas
and
electricity
and
that's
a
statewide
program.
S
So
our
effort
is
to
try
to
follow
that
type
of
arrangement
on
a
statewide
basis
to
help
folks
with
their
water
bills,
again
a
very
high
level
overview
of
what's
going
on
here.
What
our
request
is,
but
we
can
drill
down
to
specifics
with
sarah
who's
available
for
questions,
and
we
can
address
your
questions
at
this
time.
I
You,
mr
chair,
so
if
I
understand
correctly
you're
looking
for
312
000
to
finish,
putting
together
the
program
in
the
policy
itself
to
try
to
increase
the
usage,
and
then
you
want
to
allocate
1.2
million
on
top
of
what's
already
out
there
for
rap
to
make
that
a
cool
2
million
that
is
potentially
out
there.
So
my
question
is:
is
why
would
we
allocate
any
additional
funds
now
when
we
still
don't
have
full
usage
of
the
program
of
the
800
000.
to
me?
That
is
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
I
A
A
A
N
I
was
talking
to
him
so
there's
two
things
here:
one
I'd
be
more
than
happy
if
the
wrc
is
okay
with
it
to
make
it
down
to
312,
to
do
what
you're
saying,
however,
if
we
postpone
gleewa
is
starting
their
own
affordability
program
on
july
1st,
and
so
us
not
having
this
going
or
at
least
something
towards
water
affordability.
Would
one
stop
the
meetings
that
yolanda
and
I
are
going
to
to
make
us
buying
the
eight
ball
and
working
with
galiwa?
N
S
Yeah,
I
would
say
that
the
three
to
312
000
is
critical
to
our
efforts
to
continue
developing
and
putting
the
finishing
touches
on
this
program.
I
understand
we
may
have
some
time
because
there
is
800
000,
that's
currently
allocated
to
oakland
county
to
use.
So
as
long
as
we
can
keep
our
efforts
moving
forward,
that
would
work
for
us
in
the
short
term.
C
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
support
the
notion
of
asking
the
committee
to
postpone
consideration
of
this
just
so
that
we
would
have
an
opportunity
to
to
work
on
it.
I
have
heard
discussions
of
this
but
saw
the
language
for
the
first
time.
Last
night
it
hasn't
been
approved
as
an
eligible
arp
expenditure
at
this
point,
and
I
will
reiterate
that
it
has
been
a
tortured
process
at
gleewa
that
we
in
the
water
resource,
commissioner
and
mr
hobbs
has
been
involved
in
this.
C
We've
been
very
unhappy
with
I
mean
oakland
county
only
uses
seven
percent
of
what
is
eligible
for
our
residents
and
so
oftentimes.
You
know
we
have
to
fight
efforts
to
recap,
reallocate
that
to
other
parts
of
the
water
system
who
are
using
more
of
it.
So
it
has
been
a
constant
effort
to
try
to
improve
the
uptake
of
these
resources.
C
C
We
hope
that
will
be
a
better
process,
so
we
certainly
support
actively
and
marcus
pearson,
who
was
with
community
engagement,
had
been
actively
working
with
water
resources
and
gliowa
to
try
to
increase
the
access
of
this
program,
but
we
think
that
has
to
be
the
top
priority
right
now
it
is
it
is,
you
know
it
is
the
responsibility
of
gleewa
to
help
us
ensure
our
residents
can
access
that
program
that
we
pay
into.
So
we
would
like
to
focus
on
that.
C
D
D
N
I
like
what
yolanda
said,
because
part
of
the
reason
that
this
is
coming
up
in
a
non-sequitur
way
is
because
wrc
has
talked
to
the
executive's
office
about
this
for
some
time
and
action
has
not
been
taken.
So
this
is
an
effort
to
make
sure
that
action
is
taken,
especially
in
light
of
the
july
1st
deadline.
In
light
of
the
fact
that
water
moratoriums
have
been
lifted
in
light
of
the
fact
that
when
you
see
in
your
packet
over
12
000,
households
are
at
risk
for
water-based
foreclosure.
N
So
I
agree
with
yolanda.
If
we're
going
to
postpone,
let's
make
sure
it's
on
the
agenda
with
a
real
plan
that
everyone
agrees
on
for
the
13.
or
do
the
312
today
and
then
have
a
bigger
real
plan
for
the
13th.
I'd
prefer
that
one,
if
that's
okay
with
everybody
and
as
you
see
in
your
packet,
the
312
is
line
itemed
out.
I
I
will
amend
my
motion
to
put
july
13th
date
out
there.
I
also
throughout
their
that,
potentially
you
know
it's
up
to
the
administration's
office
if
they
so
choose
on
the
312.
It's
something
we
can
walk
on
our
board
meeting
on
the
23rd.
For
that
I
know
if
they
can
confirm
that
is
eligible
prior
to
that
meeting.
Okay,
cool-
and
I
think
that's
so
right
now-
I'd
postpone
until
july
13th.
C
I
I'm
comfortable
with
making
every
effort
to
understand
what
the
312
is
and
why
that's
important
to
supplement
the
effort
of
gleewa
and
united
way
to
get
oakland
county's
residents
access
to
the
money
sitting
at
gleewa.
Absolutely
if
there
is
something
that
we
can
do,
I
don't
know
what
that
three
twelve
hundred
three
hundred
twelve
thousand
dollars
go
to
if
it's
staff
to
go
out
to
communities
and
and
and
help
people
understand
how
to
apply.
I
don't
understand.
A
C
A
H
H
Some
of
the
commissioners
were
absent
when
I
made
public
comment
and
suggest
that
it
should
be
elective
officials
who
approve
the
scope
of
the
work
to
be
done
with
the
oakland
university
and
not
unelected
officials
having
that
ability
and
that's
written
in
in
the
what
was
approved
and
voted
on
in
the
affirmative
today
and
it
wasn't
really
addressed.
It
was
partially
object
by
commissioner
spitz,
but
it
wasn't
really
put
forth
that
it
should
be
a
change
of
who
has
the
authority
to
approve
the
scope.
H
Not
just
show
it
to
you
and
say
this
is
what
we
approved,
but
we,
the
commission,
approve
it
and,
and
although
children
run
faster
than
you,
adults,
dogs
run
faster
than
children
and
dogs
could
be
trained
to
knock
a
child
down
and
allow
an
adult
to
catch
up
with
a
running
child
and
the
on
the
facilities
for
the
children's
village,
the
fencing
they
presented,
no
map
to
show
where
the
fence
is
going
to
be
located.
H
There
may
be
some
corners
where
you
can
cut
across
and
reduce
the
lineage
of
the
footage
that
they're
proposing,
but
they
haven't
presented
what
that
is.
We
we
haven't
seen
it
where.
Where
is
this
fence?
You
know
what
how
many
gates,
where
are
the
gates?
Can
we
eliminate
gates?
You
know,
there's
no
detail
presented,
and
yet
the
the
commission
approved
it,
and
this
is
something
I
think
that
the
commission
should
be
looking
into.
Is
where
exactly
is
this
fence?
H
And
can
you
cut
off
some
lineage
and
save
some
money
on
it
and
then
there's
also
the
covet
19.
a
lot
of
the
the
problems
that
we're
facing
that
we're
having
to
contend
with
and
work
on
and
spend
lots
of
money
on
is
the
mishandling
of
the
whole
covet
19
situation
by
by
all
of
the
federal
government,
the
state
governments,
even
the
local
governments.
H
A
G
H
A
D
Mr
chair,
I'm
not
sure
where
this
fits
in,
but
I,
since
I
basically
want
the
fencing
thing
to
be
on
the
main
agenda,
to
include
some
type
of
visual.
It.
I
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right
now,
on
other
business,
we
have
one
agenda
item
on
the
other
business
opposing
the
imposition
of
highland
park's
water
and
sewer
debt
on
oakland
county
communities.
T
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
committee,
I'm
aware
of
the
hour
I'll
try
to
go
fast.
You'll
recall
we
had
the
an
original
resolution
which
was
submitted.
I
believe
in
may
to
this
committee
and
put
over
the
substance
of
it
is
that
highland
park
has
not
been
paying
its
water
and
sewer
bill.
These
are
being
reallocated
to
other
communities,
including
oakland,
county
communities.
This
isn't
fair.
This
is
a
cost
on
our
communities.
T
T
It
is
still
shuttered
at
the
state
to
please
step
in
and
do
something
about
it
and,
secondly,
to
express
support
for
our
communities
in
dealing
with
this,
however,
not
to
repeat
not
to
specify
what
the
community
should
or
should
not
be
doing,
and
and
definitely
not
to
be
saying,
withholding
any
money,
but
simply
to
express
our
views
at
the
committee
meeting
last.
I
think
a
couple
weeks
ago
said
that
the
water
resources,
commissioner,
had
some
concerns
and
that
we
were
told
to
go.
T
I
was
told
to
go
and
work
with
the
water
resources,
commissioner,
to
see
if
we
could
come
up
with
anything.
Well,
we
met
yesterday
and
we
did
okay
and
the
mr
nationals
totally
speak
for
him,
but
they
had
a
number
of
concerns,
all
of
which
I
found
totally
valid.
If
you
want
me
to
go
close,
my
claws,
I
can
otherwise,
I
will
simply.
A
T
What
I'm
asking
so
he's
on
the
agenda,
so
I
am,
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
yeah.
A
So
we
have
an
amendment
on
the
on
this
item.
A
G
Like
commissioner
nash
to
address
the
amendment.
L
Certainly,
I
appreciate
that
yeah
we
we
sat
down
with
with
commissioner
moss
yesterday,
kelsey
cook
and
carrie
cox.
She
she
does
our
regional
all
our
regional
operations
and
we
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was.
You
know
structurally
correct.
I
mean
the
the
things
that
were
said
were
correct.
We
made
a
few
minor
changes
there
and
we
also
brought
up
the
the
most
recent
actions
that
have
happened.
L
Last
week,
the
yeah
it
was
last
week,
the
great
lakes
water
authority
board
voted
to
not
put
that
6.7
million
that
they
were
going
to
put
into
the
new
rates
in
the
new
rates
so
that
saved
about
6.7
million
for
the
ratepayers
across
the
across
the
system,
the
the
communities
that
pay
into
that,
which
is
good.
That
was
one
of
the
most
important
things.
L
That's
what
brought
the
attention
of
everybody
that
they
were
going
to
be
doing
that
this
year,
so
they've
taken
that
back
for
this
year's
rates,
which
has
given
us
the
opportunity
all
the
all
the
people
involved
the
opportunity
to
do
a
little
bit
more
negotiation.
L
The
governor
has
written
a
great
lakes,
water
authority
and
there's
been
an
exchange
of
letters
there
and
then
last
late
last
week
they,
the
the
circuit
court,
ruled
that
the
the
state
had
I'm
sorry
highland
park
had
to
turn
over
the
money
they
had
been
putting
away
as
part
of
their
this
that
court
case.
L
So
it's
several
million
dollars
have
been
released
now
and
also
in
included
in
that
is
some
some
funding
for
the
attorneys
for
great
lakes,
water
authority,
because
the
court
found
in
our
favor.
So
these
are
good
moves
that
have
made
a
difference,
and
I
think
it's
given
us
an
opportunity
to
do
more
negotiation
around
this.
Both
highland
park
and
great
lakes
award
authority
have
said
that
they
want
to
do
more
negotiation
through
that
court.
L
So
this
offers
us
something
that
we
haven't
had
in
the
past,
and
this
is
accounted
for
in
this
resolution-
we're
just
basically
calling
for
the
governor
governor's
office
to
continue
that
help
with
this
and
all
the
partners
that
are
that
are
involved
with
it
to
continue
that
work.
So
I
think
it's
a
good
resolution
that
just
reinforces
what
the
communities
really
want
to
be
to
be
seen
by
by
all
the
parties
involved.
N
I
don't
understand
fully
the
the
point
of
writing
this
and
it
feels
mean-spirited.
I
do
have
any
feedback
about
that.
T
I'm
sorry:
what
do
you?
What
do
you
mean
feels
mean
spirited.
T
Well,
yes,
and
no
actually-
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
commissioner
nash-
who
I
think
totally
described
it-
we
have
a
dispute
with
highland
park.
It
is
ongoing,
it
has
not
been
completed,
it
has
not
been
concluded
and
we
at
least
the
sense
of
the
resolution
which
you
you
can
support
or
not.
Is
that
our
communities-
and
we
have
have
a
memo
actually
from
the
water
resources,
commissioner,
about
how
much
our
communities
have
been
paying
and
that
this
is
in
this
is
intolerable.
This
is
not
good
and
we
want
this
situation
to
stop.
T
We
want
the
governor
to
continue
to
help
us
make
progress
in
dealing
with
highland
park
gleewa
as
well,
and
the
water
resources.
Commissioner,
in
many
ways,
we
are
attempting
to
both
strengthen
the
hand
of
commissioner
nash
in
gleewa
and
expressing
support
that
we
understand
that
our
communities
have
had
to
pay
money
that
they
should
not
have
had
to
pay
and
we
support
them,
and
we
are,
you
know,
we're
in
their
corner
without
saying
why
we
think
they
ought
to
do
it
just
that
that
they
should
and
that's
their
decision.
T
N
I
just
want
to
say
one
last
thing:
we
just
assigned
10
million
dollars
to
pay
for
people
that
aren't
going
to
be
paying
for
their
water
because
we're
giving
them
a
grant
of
10
million
dollars
and
we
don't
want
to
give
highland
park
any
grace
for
some
reason.
N
T
A
All
right
motion
carries,
and
now
we
have
the
vote
on
the
amendment
to
the
original.
The
main
motion,
as
it
is
yeah
with
the
amendment
as
amended
with
substitute.
A
A
T
E
What
I
mean
commissioner
cabello
is
talking
about.
I
mean
this
is
a
incredibly
complicated
issue.
No
one
wants
to
pay
for
someone
else's
water
system,
except
also
recognizing
a
water
system
is
going
to
have
its
cost
almost
whether
whether
or
not
highland
park
is
part
of
it,
and
I
I
want
to
applaud
our
water
resource
commission
office
has
been
an
active
player
at
the
table.
E
I
thought
about
adding
some
additional
things
like
this.
Like
we
really
need
to
call
on
our
state
legislators.
I
mean
the
only
way
to
solve
it.
There
is
a
debt
liability
in
the
system
and
the
only
way
to
solve
it
to
come
up
with
money
and
who
doesn't
have
it,
and
even
though
I
guess
highland
park
has
some
money,
allegedly
that
will
start
paying
into
it.
E
It
certainly
doesn't
have
40
some
million
dollars
and
under
no
circumstances
will
they
ever
have
40
million
dollars,
which
means
the
state's
gonna
have
to
come
in
at
some
point
and
put
money
in,
and
I
see
we're
like
giving
this
to
a
lot
of
people
and
telling
them
all
to
do
this.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
going
to
require
the
state
legislature.
I
guess
state
legislature
is
like
the
delegation's
on
there.
E
So
I
mean
the
state's
going
to
have
to
appropriate
the
money
to
make
this
whole
and
the
reason
why
we
actually
have
a
little
bit
of
reduction
to
make
sure
the
suburban
community
rate
payers
are
not
paying
is
because
the
state
sent
some
money
over
and
we
need
to
probably
send
a
little.
I
mean
more
to
fix
the
system
long
term
and
and
get
a
commitment
to
pay
for
it.
So
that's
the
bottom
line
because
highland
park
does
not
have
the
money
and
the
system
costs
x
amount
of
dollars
to
operate.