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D
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D
E
Miller
is
absent
with
notice
Ramen
present
long
here.
Spoos
president
Smith
Charles.
A
F
A
D
A
H
I
H
A
A
And
supported,
let's
visit
weipert,
think,
let's
any
discussion,
if
not
we'll
go
ahead
and
prompt
that
vote.
A
Sure
in
case,
anyone
wanted
to
make
their
way,
but
I
see
no
public
comment
at
this
time,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
it
and
acknowledge
member
ex
officio
David
Woodward
who
has
arrived
as
well.
Welcome,
item
seven
communication:
we
need
a
motion
to
receive
in
five.
A
Thank
you.
So,
as
it
says,
item
a
in
Communications
is
a
memorandum
regarding
County
Veterans,
Services
service
fund
budget
amendment.
We
do
have
guard
here.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
on
that,
as
well
as
a
guest
which
we
always
like
to
take
time
for
when
they're,
when
they
have
four
legs
or
beaks.
E
For
sure
this
is
Leia,
she
is
a
registered
therapy
dog
and
we
use
her
in
our
office
for
veterans
who
are
struggling
to
get
through
an
interview
or
having
a
bad
day
and
also
our
staff
when
they're
having.
E
Probably
appreciate
answer
as
much
as
as
our
veterans
do
but
she's
six
years
old,
golden
retriever
registered
with
the
alliance
of
therapy
dogs.
A
D
E
A
L
Good
morning,
good
morning,
I
guess
my
first
thought
is
I'm
thrilled
to
see
all
this
interest
in
our
Brownfield
program.
J
L
A
pack
it's
a
packed
room.
Today
we
have
some
slides
to
show
you
and
it's
an
overview
of
the
County's
Brownfield
Redevelopment
Authority,
and
if
it's
the
the
committee's
pleasure
we'd
like
to
come
back
and
visit
throughout
the
year
and
present
some
of
our
other
programs
as
as
well,
my
name
is
Brett
Raskin
I'm,
the
manager
of
the
planning
and
local
Business
Development
Division,
Kristen,
wolfpang
she's,
the
administrator
of
trails,
Transportation
environment
and
Brad,
Hansen
or
Bradley
is
the
coordinator
of
her
Brownfield
Brownfield
program.
L
The
organization
of
our
department
there's
one
change
that
we
may
need
to
make
to
this
is
that
we,
the
newly
created
Transit
division,
is
also
within
Economic
Development.
So
there's
a
it's
a
five
division,
Department.
L
Within
planning
a
local
business
development
were
organized
into
three
groups:
Trails
transportation
and
environment
planning,
zoning
and
land
use
and
local
business
development,
and
we
in
all
of
those
areas
we
provide
a
number
of
services
and
programs
to
local
communities
and
also
non-profit
organizations.
The
Brownfield
program
is
within
Kristen's
area,
the
trails,
transportation
and
environment.
L
We
have
some
some
slides
they're
a
little
bit
text
heavy,
but
we
thought,
if
you
keep
this
document,
it's
a
good
reference
for
you
and
there's
even
a
few
additional
slides
after
the
concluding
slide,
with
more
detailed
information
about
Tiff
and
also
the
press.
The
internal
process
here
at
the
county,
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
to
Brad
good
morning.
H
Good
morning
and
I'm
very
fortunate,
because
I
have
three
board
members
or
CBRE
board
members
here
around
the
table
on
the
sidelines
here
with
commissioner
Woodward
Mr
spizz
and
Council
Solomon
Phillips.
So
that's
three
of
our
seven
board
members
are
in
the
room
today,
which
is
great
so
at
its
core.
The
Brownfield
program
is
a
cleanup
and
environmental
program
that
also
helps
with
economic
development
with
an
incentive
and
create
create
a
higher
tax
base
for
the
community.
So
why
establish
a
bra
again?
It's
addressed
environmental
conditions
of
property,
promote
economic
growth,
address.
H
Can
get
developed
for
some
reasons,
a
lot
of
it's
dealing
with
the
contamination
or
blightness
or
functional
obsolete
another
good
part
of
the
Brownfield
program.
Is
it
halts
the
deterioration
of
tax
base
not
only
for
that
specific
property
that
we
use
a
Brownfield
on,
but
the
surrounding
areas?
What's
up
a
problem
area
gets
redeveloped.
The
surrounding
area
goes
up
in
tax
base
as
well.
H
So
Public
Act
381
of
1996
is
the
enabling
legislation
for
the
Brownfield
financing
act.
It
basically
just
allows
developers
to
get
reimbursed
for
eligible
activities
out
of
Brownfield
site,
whether
that
be
mostly
contamination,
but
also
demolition
of
especially
obsolete
buildings,
site
prep
and
some
core
communities
in
the
core
communities.
There
are
four
main
types
of
properties
that
can
qualify
for
a
Brownfield,
the
first
and
most
well-known
one,
obviously
is
called
facilities,
and
that
is
contaminated
properties.
H
H
H
E
H
Bloody
property
is
you
basically
just
need
a
resolution
or
a
letter
from
a
lot
of
the
highest
elected
official
or
the
city
or
Township
Council,
saying
that
the
property
is
a
nuisance,
whether
that
be
because
it's
a
hindrance
to
or
danger
to
children
or
there's
permanent
disconnection
of
the
utilities?
There's
different
qualifications
for
what
it
is
pointed,
but
you
basically
just
need
a
letter
from
the
local
community
issue.
H
And
most
exciting
recently
is
the
properties
under
control
of
the
land
bank.
Obviously,
with
the
creation
of
the
open,
County
Land
Bank,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
partner
with
them
and
I've
already
been
on
multiple
meetings
with
Jill
who
I
understand.
She
gave
a
presentation
a
couple
weeks
ago,
so
it'll
be
a
great
working
relationship
and
the
key
component
about
that
is
any
property,
no
matter
where
you
are
in
Oakland
County,
that's
under
control
of
the
land
bank
is
automatically
eligible
for
all
environmental.
H
This
one
has
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
words
on
it,
so
the
first
two
are
basically
the
same
though
it's
it
deals
with
the
financing,
the
if
you
will
the
incentive
to
the
developer.
H
So
it's
it's
tax,
increment
financing,
so
it's
an
increased
tax
value
due
to
the
Redevelopment
and
cleanup
of
the
property,
so
the
base
value
stays
the
same
and
it
goes
to
the
proper
tax
and
jurisdictions,
plus
an
increased
value
that
the
developer
puts
into
it,
that
is
captured
and
by
the
authority
and
be
reimbursed
to
the
developer
over
a
course
of
time.
H
Tiff
is
applied
only
to
the
Redevelopment
area
of
the
Brownfield
plan.
Not
necessarily
you
might
be
in
you
know,
familiar
with
Corridor
Improvement
authorities
or
DDA,
where
that
those
entities
captured
from
hundreds
properties
to
increase
the
tax
phase
or
collect
a
tip
in.
H
H
Emphasize
that
for
the
City
of
Novi
for
one
of
our
projects,
once
the
brown
Redevelopment
is
finished,
the
increased
tax
base
goes
100
to
all
the
taxing
role,
the
taxi
Mills.
So
once
the
developer
is
completely
reimbursed
for
the
eligible
activities,
all
the
tax
100
new
taxes
are
go
to
proper
Taxi
jurisdictions.
H
D
H
My
activities
for
reimbursement,
so
any
property
in
Oakland
County,
currently
can
qualify
for
the
first
set
of
items
here
on
this
on
this
slide,
so
it's
basically
just
a
eagle,
specific
or
clean
up
activities
and
then
lead
an
asbestos,
obviously,
which
is
house
actually
under
medc.
For
some
reason,
they're
not
Eagle,
been
a
demolition
of
structures,
but
for
the
core
communities
or
eligible
qualified
local
unit
governments.
H
We
also
call
them
core
communities
which
I
believe
there's
eight
eight.
All
the
incentives
on
the
first
part
is
included
plus
infrastructure
improvements
that
directly
benefit
the
property
Insight
prep.
That
is
not
response
activity,
so
those
two
which
could
add
a
lot
of
dollars
and
alcohol
activities
to
a
project
are
qualified
and
for
those
core
communities.
H
Now
again,
though,
the
good
thing
about
the
land
bank
that
was
created
there's
some
problem
sites
that
won't
qualify
for
certain
things.
We
had
an
issue
with
this
with
our
project
in
Commerce
Township,
so
we
utilize
the
state
land
bank.
In
doing
so,
we
are
able
to
have
that
property
qualify
for
all
eligible
activities
to
be
reimbursed
to
the
developer.
H
Developer
incentives,
although
the
incentive
is
a
reimbursement,
it's
not
a
front
cost.
The
the
development.
C
H
That
they
pay
that
are
captured
and
reimbursed
the
developer
over
a
number
of
years.
The
reimbursement
is
based
solely
on
the
actually
what
has
taken
place
out
there.
So
it's
it's
an
up
to
maximum.
So
if.
H
Five
million
dollars,
but
there's
only
three
million
dollars
of
activity
done
out
there
they're
only
it's
only
a
three
million
dollar
reimbursement
because
we
thoroughly
about
the
reimbursement
requests
that
come
in.
They
have
to
show
all
their
proper
invoices
and
proof
of
payment
in
order
to
get
paid.
We
review
that
internally,
but
then
we
also
send
it
out
to
a
third
party
and
review
it
as
well.
So
that's
I
mean
that's
the
part
where
it's
not
guaranteed
to
developer.
So
you
know
some
people
will
see.
C
H
H
Was
showing
that
this
is
the
the
green?
Is
the
corridor
Improvement
Authority
for
the
City
of
Novi?
So
you
can
see,
there's
I
would
say
hundred
hundreds
of
parcels
that
collect
tip
for
the
CIA
for
the
City
of
Novi
and.
H
Are
parcels
and
red
is
our
Sakura
Novi
project,
which
is
the
exciting
the
mixed
use
project
in
the
City
of
Novi
excuse.
M
H
Our
open
County
bra
established
in
2001
seven
current
members.
Again
three
of
them
are
sitting
around
the
table
today
or
on
the
sidelines
here
the
members
are
appointed
by
the
county
executive.
H
We
just
got
the
letters
over
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
for
reappointments
for
six
of
our
seven
members,
so
hopefully
at
the
next
Board
of
Commissioners
or
the
meeting
after
that,
it'll
be
right
into
by
the
clerk
for
the
reappointments
of
the
unemployment.
Actually
there's
four
members.
Thank
you,
but
Brett's
been
Brent's
now
on
our
board,
twos
and
others
for
the
seven
members
ever
got
sorry.
Brett.
H
And
we
can't
wait
to
two
months
of
the
scheduled
meeting.
It's
supposed
to
take
place
so
we'll
I'll
send
it
up.
You
know
a
poll
and
see
what's
available
and
try
to
get
it
moving
as
quickly
so
far,
we've
approved
23
projects
through
the
Oakland
County
bra,
obviously
they're
local
communities
that
have
their
own
bra
have
their
own
list
and
actually
there's
a
map
in
front
of
you.
H
H
We
are
obviously
we're
established
to
help
those
communities
that
don't
have
a
VRA,
but
we're
also
here
to
help
communities
that
do
have
their
own
bra
but
need
more
experience
or
more
expertise
with
a
specific
project,
and
so
we'll
just
ask
for
a
couple
resolutions
from
local
United
government
that
basically
releasing
the
project
to
open,
County,
pra
and
the
second
one
concurring
with
the
provisions
of
the
Brownfield
land.
So
the
local
community
is
well
aware
of
what
the
ask
is,
and
the
local
committee
starts.
You
know
says.
H
H
So
this
and
I
kind
of
explained
this
already,
but
the
eligible
property
just
a
little
bit
more
background
to
those
four
items.
The
next
one
is
the
Brownfield
tip
diagram.
It
really
shows
what
is
really
being
captured
by
what
I
had
to
see
what's
being
used
for
reimbursement.
So
you
can
go
ahead
and
read
through
that
and
then
the
last
one
is
the
long
process
to
get
a
Brownfield
project
approved
and
it
really
starts
off
with
a
local
community
open
gallery.
H
But
then
it
also
goes
through
this
body
vdi
committee
to
Douglas
the
full
Board
of
Commissioners
for
public
Hearing
in
the
final
vote
and.
D
H
The
Brownfield
project
is
confirmed
or
approved
for
local
only
taxes,
so
that's
everything,
except
for
State
education,
Texas
and
school
operating,
that's
controlled
by
the
state
of
Michigan,
both
eagle
and
medc.
So
if
a
developer
or
a
project
is
going
for
state
school
taxes,
they
will
need
to
go
to
both
eagle
and
medc
or
msf,
to
get
approval
in.
In
order
to
do
that,
they
need
to
put
together
a
what's
called
act,
381
work
plan
which
is
way
more
detail
and
way
more
information
to
get
those
approvals.
H
H
Yeah
well,
if
it
makes
sense
for
the
development
of
this
to
happen.
Dollar
Wise
right,
yes,
I
mean
if.
D
H
H
D
M
F
They
should
have
done
the
thing.
I
just
have
a
question:
I,
don't
even
know
if
it's
really
related,
but
the
green
sign
building
from
a
couple
of
years
ago,
out
there
in
Madison
Heights,
where
the
green.
H
O
Well,
I
would
just
relate
to
that
I
mean
there
was
general
fund
dollars,
welcome
county
that
helped
accelerate,
but,
as
Brett
says
like
it
was
mostly
state
money,
Federal
pass-through
money
through
Eagle
that
helped
to
facilitate
that.
Okay.
A
H
H
A
little
bit
of
turnover
as
far
as
Brad
took
over
for
either
Ty,
who
took
over
for
Dan
Hunter,
so
there's
yeah,
there's
been
something.
A
But
what
makes
up
core
communities
and
what
those
core
communities
are.
So
if
it's
a
30-second
answer,
then
by
all
means.
Otherwise
you
can
share.
H
That
sure
it's
in
state
legislation
in
in
Oakland
County
makes
sense.
Good
deals
a
lot
with
economic
there's.
The
inner
Eight
Mile
ring
communities
that
are
in
a
city
of
Pontiac
City
Oak
Park
Royal,
Township,
Madison
Heights.
His
work.
H
Yeah
that
and
but
when
you
look
at
the
legislation
when
you
go
around
the
state,
there's
been
add-ons
where
it
doesn't
really
follow
those
aspects,
and
so
there's
obviously
some
probably
some
special
interests
by
some
legislators,
but
some
other
communities
in
there.
But
yeah.
H
I
A
N
Welcome
good
to
see
you
again,
thank
you
good
morning,
everyone
good
morning,
good
morning.
Yes,
we
have
a
grant
today
that
has
been
awarded
us
from
the
state
of
Michigan
Department
of
environment,
Great,
Lakes
and
energy.
The
eagle
group-
and
this
is
in
the
amount
of
121
500.
This
is
to
continue
the
investigation
on
airport
property,
Oakland
County
International,
specifically
for
the
investigation
of
pfas
on
the
premises.
N
J
N
P
Curious
is
this
an
ongoing
study
or
I
know
you
mentioned
this
was
the
second
one.
So
has
there
been
a
previous
pfos
related
problem
at
the
airport
and
that's
why
we're
undergoing
these
studies
I'm
just
not
familiar
with
the
background
of
of
kind
of
what's
happened
here
so.
N
Not
just
Oakland
County
international
airport,
it's
every
airport
in
the
state
and
in
the
country
that
when
the
peace
boss
issue
was
identified,
the
airports
were
targeted
because
of
the
use
of
a
firefighting
foam
that
we
use
on
airports.
That
foam
is
a
requirement
by
the
FAA,
so
we
have
no
choice.
We
are
forced
to
use
that
foam,
we're
very
fortunate
at
open
County
and
that
we
never
use
that
foam
for
training,
which
is
where
a
lot
of
the
contamination
is
stem
from
and
we
just
use
pure
water.
N
N
N
There
there
is
some
evidence
of
it
and,
and
it's
expected
because
of
the
foam
and
because
pfas
is
in
so
many
of
our
household
items
that
we
use.
So
it's
a
matter
of
the
concentration
levels
and
then,
once
this
study
is
completed,
I
expect
that
they'll
have
some
remediation
plan
that
they'll
ask
for,
and
hopefully
there'll
be
more
state.
If
not
federal
dollar
is
there
to
help
us
do
that.
Thank
you.
A
A
Q
Good
morning,
I
am
Mike
McMahon,
the
chief
engineer
at
the
Water
Resources
Commissioner's
Office
over
the
drains
and
lakes
group
and
Ryan
is
the
lake
level
engineer.
And
so
we
come
today
bringing
a
petition
to
the
board
that
was
signed
by
residents
of
Bay
Lake,
which
is
in
Bloomfield
Hills,
and
this
is
in
accordance
with
the
lake
level
control
act.
So
I'll.
Let
Ryan
go
into
a
little
more
detail
and
and
he's
been
working
with
the
residents
there.
R
R
They
have
an
aging
Dam,
that's
owned
by
a
private
owner
that
isn't
necessarily
maintaining
it
and
it
needs
to
be
maintained,
so
they
can
maintain
their
property
values
so
as
part
of
the
lake
level
Control
Act,
it
goes
to
the
board
Commissioners
to
delegate
it
back
to
us
typically
to
bring
that
damn
code
construct
a
new
one
and
maintain
a
lake
level,
and
with
that
I
guess
I'll
open
it
up
to
any
questions
you
may
have
on
the
on
the
process
of
what's
important.
Thank.
A
You
and
on
the
table
might
know
the
way
like
we're
talking
about.
Is
there
a
commissioner
because
we
have
like
Lake
Commissioners,
not.
R
Currently,
they
also
are
going
for
one
of
those
it's
in
gershenson's,
District,
yeah.
Okay,
she
is,
she
is
aware
of
it
as
well.
We've.
A
Had
conversations,
thank
you
and
again
kind
of
a
note
to
self
so
I
apologize
I'm
talking
around
you
but
I'd
like
to
see
the
commissioner
whenever
Links
come
to
us.
You
know
be
a
part
of
that
resolution,
even
if
they're
not
on
this
Committee
just
as
a
they
know
that,
like
much
better
than
perhaps
we
do
so
other
than
that
is
there
other.
Oh
I
do.
D
A
Bow
to
my
team
look
at
this
we'll
start
with
commissioner
wiper
and
then
Mr
Spitz.
Thank.
K
R
That's
coming
yes,
part
of
that
public
meeting.
We
kind
of
gave
him
a
ballpark
figure
based
on
the
last
one
we
brought,
which
was
the
upper
stage,
which
is
around
800,
Grand
and
kind
of
said,
that's
a
guesstimate
of
where
we
think
we're
going
to
be
at
until
we
actually
get
out
there,
we'll
figure
out
what
that's
going
to
look
once
we
design
something,
but.
F
D
K
I
mean,
were
you
guys,
surprised
the
anxiousness
to
get
it
done?
I.
R
K
J
Just
wondering
similar
to
my
earlier
question
for
a
previous
presentation
timing:
how
long,
what's
the
time
frame
they're
looking
to
do
this
or
we're
talking
next,
two
to
three
years,
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
steps
that
still
have
to
happen,
but
what's
the
rough
time
frame
and
what's
the
duration
of
the
dam,
that's
privately
owned
lifespan?
Is
it
at
the
end?
Is
it.
R
We're
we're
pretty
near
the
end.
I
mean
we're
going
to
be
monitoring
it
pretty
closely.
I've
been
out
there
a
couple
times
just
because
there
is
something
significant
deterioration
to
the
dam.
I,
don't
believe
we're
in
any
immediate,
that's
going
to
fail
tomorrow,
but
it
is.
It
is
definitely
at
the
end
of
its
lifespan
and
we're
probably
looking
at
hopefully
a
two
to
three
year.
Turnaround
would
be.
It
would
be
optimal
to
get
something
new
in
there
that
we
can
trust.
D
B
You
very
much
chair
two
questions
that
are
related
to
each
other.
One
just
remind
me
which
watershed
this
lake
is
in
okay
and
then
two
based
on
it
is
Rouge.
Okay,
based
on
a
rudimentary
Google.
This
is
not
a
native
map.
This
is
a
man-made
or
lake,
correct.
A
Motion
carry
thank
you
for
your
presentation
on
this
portion.
I
believe!
That's
it
for
you,
gentlemen.
D
A
F
O
A
To
kindergarten
good
morning,
Madam,
chair
good
morning
and
with
you
Hillary
looks
like
we
have
Kristen
and
Brett
as
well,
and
just
as
a
note
to
the
committee
that
this
item
definitely
informs
the
next
set
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
agenda.
So
this
will
be
a
good
time
for
questions.
If
need
be
good.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
If
it's
okay,
we'll
probably
cover
all
six
items
that
are
on
your
agenda
in
one
presentation
and
then,
however,
you
want
to
take
the
questions
regarding
them.
We're
happy
to
great.
G
So
you
mentioned
some
of
my
partners,
but
I
do
want
to
you
know
at
the
onset
acknowledge
and
thank
Brett,
razigan
I
didn't
realize
you
had
another
item
on
the
agenda.
You've
been
working
on
something
else.
G
Our
manager
of
planning
and
his
colleague,
Kristen
wolfang,
have
been
just
tremendous
Partners
in
this
Transit
effort,
also
from
Court
Council,
Bill,
debazio
who's
here
and
Aaron
and
Solon
have
just
put
in
you
know
so
much
effort
in
these
last
two
and
a
half
months.
All
the
providers
who
are
here
with
us
today
to
answer
any
of
your
specific
questions.
We
are
grateful
for
the
work
that
they
have
put
in.
G
The
communities
outside
of
the
footprint
of
the
current
providers
have
been
constructive
and
and
we'll
talk
more
about
what
we
suggest
in
those
areas
initially
and
also
I
want
to
acknowledge
your
chairman,
Dave
Woodward,
who
I
know,
will
take
this
as
a
compliment.
It
is
meant
to
be,
but
you
know,
to
a
certain
extent,
has
been
our
staff
partner
in
in
this
effort
because
he
has
known
more
than
us
in
in
a
number
of
regards,
and
we
have
really
relied
on
his
advice.
G
So
with
that
I
want
to
say
this
is
a
start,
I'm
sure
we
won't
be
able
to
answer
all
of
your
questions.
I'm
sure
we
have
missed
things
I'm
sure
we
have
not
gotten
things
right
in
some
respects,
but
what
we
set
out
to
do
after
the
voters
approve
the
millage
in
November
was
to
establish
you
know
a
new
foundation
for
the
next
10
years
and
I
think
that
we
have
started
a
pretty
decent
foundation
for
your
consideration
today.
G
There's
a
lot
of
things
to
be
figured
out
going
forward,
but
I
think
that
what
you,
what
we're
putting
before
you
today
is
a
good
first
step.
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
presentation
just
kind
of
as
a
review
of
what
brings
us,
you
know
in
the
last
two
and
a
half
months
course,
you
know
the
the
passage
of
the
millage,
the
efforts
that
this
board
took
so
quickly
right
to
to
see
the
millage
on
the
December
tax
bills
to
create
the
transit
division
within
Economic
Development.
G
We
are
currently
we
have
been
posting
and
have
and
received
some
applicants
for
both
the
manager
position
and
the
planner
position.
So
we
hope
that
that
bears
some
fruit
in
the
weeks
ahead
and
then,
of
course,
our
Treasurer
and
Kyle
Jen,
who
is
our
CFO
who's?
Also
here
I
think
he
has
a
seat
in
the
hallway.
G
Oh
thank
you.
You
just
come
in.
You
know
creating
the
transit
fund
and
helping
us
think
through.
You
know
the
the
financial
aspect,
so
we
set
out,
like
I,
said
initially
to
to
really
put
in
place
contracts
with
all
the
providers,
since
we're
changing
the
structure
from
the
previous
one,
with
the
Oakland
County
public
transit
authority
to
the
county
being
the
in
at
the
at
the
center
of
the
of
the
transit
effort.
G
So
we
have
for
your
consideration:
The
Four,
interlocal
Agreements,
with
the
providers.
We
also
are
suggesting-
and
Brett
will
talk
about
this
more
later-
a
local
Transportation
reimbursement
program.
G
We
have
on
and
we'll
get
into
this
a
little
bit
with
the
budgets.
But
this
was
really
you
know
in
our
conversations
with
chairman
Woodward.
G
G
A
lot
of
all
of
the
providers
have
made
requests
for
additional
vehicles
in
in
the
fall,
but
those
vehicles
are
not
available
to
them
yet,
and
so
we
asked
them
to
do
is
to
take
those
vehicle
purchases
out
of
their
budgets
for
now,
because
we
wanted
to
take
some
time
to
make
sure
that
we
think
through
whether
they're
state
or
local
grants
that
can
help
supplement
our
efforts
to
provide
more
to
provide
more
Vehicles.
G
So
we
didn't
want
to
put
out
all
County
money
to
buy
these
vehicles
when
there
could
be
federal
funds
that
we
could
apply
for
to
leverage.
So
we'll
probably
back
to
you
in
the
summer,
thinking
about
the
the
fall
purchase
Vehicles
because
they're
not
available
until
later
in
the
year
in
in
any
case.
So
these
are
scopes
of
work
that
they
can
expect
that
they
can
do
under
in
within
their
current
infrastructure.
G
We
have
as
a
goal-
and
this
again
is
something
that's
before
you.
You
know
after
this
Foundation
is
established.
You
know
the
type
of
public
and
stakeholder
engagement
that
will
help
us
kind
of
weave
together
the
fabric
of
a
county-wide
system
and
again
part
of
that
is
looking
for.
You
know
how
we
fill
additional
gaps.
G
So,
as
I
said,
we
have
four
contracts
for
you
to
look
at
or
interlocal
agreements
and
two
resolutions
for
you
to
consider
the
contracts
that
bill
and
Aaron
and
Solon
worked
tirelessly
on
with
the
lawyers
from
all
of
the
all
of
the
providers
are
traditional
County
contracts
to
an
extent
they
have
all
of
the
same
types
of
things
that
you've
seen
in
other
contracts
in
terms
of
insurance,
that's
verified
by
risk
management.
You
know
the
payment
schedule
that
it's
agreed
to
by
fiscal
Services.
G
These
are
three-year
contracts.
With
a
one
year
of
financing
mechanism
we
had,
as
we
had
talked
to
the
providers
right
after
the
November
election.
We
were
looking
to
do
one-year
contracts,
but
reacting
to
some
of
the
response
that
we
had
gotten
from
the
communities
we
decided
to
do
a
three-year
base.
G
So
if
we
at
least
it's
from
smart,
you
know
smart
is
the
a
regional
transit
provider.
As
you
all
know,
right,
they
provide
services
in
Oakland,
Macomb,
Wayne
and
Monroe
all
types
of
services
fixed
route,
the
fast
routes,
the
connector
service,
the
ADA
Paratransit,
the
flex,
on-demand
micro
Transit
and
the
Community
Partnership
program.
There's
a
link
in
here
to
the
smart
budget.
So
what
we
want.
G
Oh
yes,
yes,
so
Dwight
Farrell
is
the
general
manager
of
of
smarts
been
with
us
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
and
we're
thrilled
to
have
him
and
his
leadership
and
Tiffany
Gunter
is
the
Deputy
general
manager.
Many
of
you
may
have
worked
with
Tiffany
in
the
past,
she's
been
at
the
RTA
at
semcog
and
most
recently
at
Birmingham.
You
all
want
to
introduce
others
as
well.
S
S
He's
37
years
so
he's
helped
us
a
lot
with
the
route
expansion
of
conversations
and
putting
together
a
plan.
We've
also
got
regular
rents.
Who
is
let
me
get
your
title
right
manager
now
schedule
service
service
development
working
on
getting
this
together.
Greg
Lorenz
is
with
us
as
well
Sean
Ryan
Appel.
At
the
end
of
the
road.
There
is
our
legal
counsel.
S
Who's
worked
to
develop
the
Contracting
concert
with
bill
and
his
team
and
on
the
go
to
meeting
link
Ryan
Byrne,
our
Chief
Financial
Officer
is
also
with
us
today
to
answer
any
questions.
G
S
Announcement
to
make
provide
a
person
who's,
not
here,
who
will
soon
be
here?
Okay,
so
just
so
that-
and
this
is
a
very
serious
thing-
we
did
recently
extend
an
offer
and
it
was
accepted
for
our
vice
president
of
planning
and
Innovation.
She
is
harmony
boys.
She
is
with
the
RTA
currently
she'll
be
coming
to
join
us
next
month
and
we're
really
excited
about
moving
forward
she'll,
be
instrumental
in
how
we
carry
out
and
execute
our
public
hearings
and
the
service
as
well
excellent.
G
And
Harmony
has
been
involved
in
some
of
the
initial
conversations
Oakland
County
resident
and
comes
to
you
from
the
Flint
transportation
system,
I
think
right,
yeah,
so
an
excellent
excellent
resource.
So
what
we
considered
when
we
thought
about
the
smart
contract
is
one
we
know
that
for
for
multiple
years
they
have
from
providing
foundational
services
in
these
in
this
footprint
and
so
you'll
see
in
the
contract
the
foundational
amount
of
31.2
million
dollars,
which
continues
and
preserves
the
services
that
they
they
currently
provide
fixed
route
and
all
the
services
that
we've
suggested.
G
G
So
they
have
come
up
with
what
we
think
is
really
an
exciting
set
of
expansions
for
2023
and
the
budget,
for
that
is
around
10
million
dollars,
and
so
that
is
the
second
piece
of
what's
in
the
scope
of
work,
but
just
quickly
to
give
you
a
sense.
You
know
there
is
the
spot
along
Woodward
that
has
been
an
island
where
the
buses
don't
stop
so
obviously,
working
with
the
local
communities
they'll
be
able
to
put
additional
stops
along
Woodward.
So
that
is
not
the
case
anymore.
G
G
There
are
new
routes
that
they're
suggesting
that
would
run
through
Troy
up
to
Rochester
and
over
through
Auburn
Hills,
there's
improvements
in
the
Pontiac
and
Auburn
Hills
area
and
there's
a
new
route
along
M59
that
goes
through
Waterford
out
to
White,
Lake
Township.
So,
with
any
of
these
expansions
in
the
fixed
route
area,
they
are
required
by
federal
law
to
provide
that
ADA
Paratransit.
G
So
about
to
three
million
dollars
of
the
estimate
for
the
new
Services
would
be
would
be
part
of
the
Ada
and
Paratransit
service,
so
with
smarts
you
know,
and
there
and
and
the
following
of
the
Federal
Regulations.
It
really
depends
on
how
much
of
a
change
it
is
in
terms
of
if
it's
a
large
scale
change,
then
they
have
public
hearings
and
other
things
that
they
have
to
do
to
establish
a
new
route.
G
If
it's
in
a
continuation
of
a
change,
a
continuation
of
a
route,
you
know
those
things
may
be
able
to
happen
more
quickly,
but
that
is
what
they
will
undertake.
You
know
after
we
approve
this
contract,
so
this
is
a
map.
That
kind
of
illustrates
the
previous
chart.
Again,
you
can
see
in
yellow
the
the
routes
that
are
are
basically
extensions
and
you
can
see
in
green
the
routes
that
are
new
routes.
G
That
takes
us
then,
to
the
local
providers,
the
North
Oakland
Transit
Authority,
the
Western
Oakland
transit
authority
and
the
older
persons
commission.
So
again
with
each
of
these
local
providers,
we
ask
them
to
come
forward
with
budgets
and
scopes
of
work
that
they
could
accomplish
within
their
current
infrastructure
or
with
vehicles
that
they
could
acquire
more
quickly.
You
know
they're
providing
a
different
type
of
service,
so
some
of
those
vehicles
are
more
readily
available
to
them.
G
A
Actually,
my
tech
team
has
informed
me
that
when
introducing
you
still
got
to
come
to
the
mic,
so
Tim,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
come
into
the
microphone.
I
I'm
Tim
Sylvia
I'm,
the
administrative
director
of
Phil
BC
and
yes,
I'm,
a
Brooklyn
County
for
like
35
and
a
half
years,
something
like
that.
O
I
O
G
So
again,
asking
them
to
look
at
improvements
that
they
could
make
right.
Do
you
want
to
do
this
part?
The.
L
D
L
Job
in
working
with
the
local
providers,
one
thing
we're
working
toward
is:
is
sort
of
standardization
and
primarily
related
to
hours
of
operation
and
also
the
the
piece
that
everyone
charges,
the
the
fees
will
be
implemented
immediately.
Essentially,
everyone
will
have
a
standard.
Two
dollar
per
ride
fare
for
note
about
an
OPC.
The
hours
of
operation
were
beginning
to
normalize.
Noda
already
has
a
very
big
spread
of
hours
and
days,
while
in
OPC
or
both
agree
to
expand
their
hours
of
service
for
their
for
their
Riders.
L
L
There's
some
Capital
Improvements
NoDa
has
improvements
needed
on
a
parking
lot
on
their
on
their
site.
In
Oxford,
there
are
short-term
purchases,
and
Hillary
mentioned
this.
There
are
some
vehicles
that
we
can
get
prior
to
June,
that
are
in
the
budgets
and
those
will
be
purchased
right
away.
The
bigger
purchases
of
vehicles.
L
We
have
a
grant
meeting
scheduled
this
week,
we're
going
to
start
right
away
to
look
at
how
we
can
pull
resources,
possibly
get
some
grant
funding
to
support
a
larger
purchase
of
vehicles
in
the
second
half
of
2023
and
the
the
last
item
that
that
I
think
is
the
most
critical
part.
L
The
last
bullet
point
is
the
the
desire
and
commitment
to
collaborate
collectively
among
the
four
providers
and
the
three
locals
Ed
smart
and
the
county,
to
do
some
serious
planning
this
year
to
figure
out
how
we
continue
to
expand
coverage
to
cover
all
of
Oakland
County.
As
was
the
the
vision
when
the
millage
was
was
passed.
L
This
tide
chart
shows
how
the
the
anticipated
millage
Revenue
breaks
down
for
2023
you'll
notice
at
the
bottom.
It's
68.2
million
in
summer.
Biased
estimates
set
up
it's
up
a
bit
from
the
66
that
we
had
anticipated.
L
You
can
see
the
the
divisions
among
that
there's,
the
41
for
smart
1.9
for
OPC
3.4
per
woda,
2.8
per
NoDa,
there's
some
admin
and
Professional
Services
and
the
reimbursement
program
that
we'll
speak
about,
and
we
have
approximately
based
on
the
the
budgets
in
the
contracts
before
you.
Today
we
have
approximately
15
million
in
reserve
and
that'll
go
toward
vehicle
purchases
later
in
the
year
and
also,
if
there's
any
Capital
Improvements
that
are
identified
later
this
year,
and
we
think
it's
wise
to
also
have
some
fund
balance.
L
L
The
the
two
resolutions
that
those
chambers
mentioned
the
reimbursement
program
and
the
Professional
Services
Program,
those
are
separate
resolutions
from
the
four
contracts
and
I
can
touch
on
the
the
reimbo
reimbursement
program.
Briefly
right
now
that
we
can
answer
questions
later,
but
there
are
a
number
of
communities
that
are
not
receiving
Community
credits.
That's
a
funding
stream
that
was
through
the
old
applicant
structure
from
the
Ocean
County
public
transit
authority.
There's
a
number
of
communities
that
that
do
not
receive
that
funding.
L
They
are
not
covered
by
wodenota
or
OPC,
or
not
touched
by
a
smart,
fixed
route.
So
these
are
all
the
other
remaining
areas.
The
remaining
cities,
Villages
and
townships
in
Oakland
County,
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
establish
a
reimbursement
program
for
where
those
communities
can
use
these
funds
to
cover
their
existing
Transportation
costs
at
the
local
level.
They
they
all
receive.
Municipal
credits,
that's
the
funding
stream
from
the
state,
but
there
are
additional
costs.
L
Many
of
them
are
good
examples
in
the
southwestern
part
of
the
county,
many
communities
contract
with
people's
Express,
and
they
incur
costs
that
come
out
of
their
general
fund,
so
we'll
reimburse
those
communities
for
those
expenses
that
they
they
incur.
This
isn't
intended
to
to
fund
expansion
of
services.
It's
meant
to
cover
existing
expenses
that
they're
they're
incurring
now
the
the
expansion
question
will
be
will
be
addressed
as
we
move
forward
this
year
and
do
additional
planning
with
those
those
other
communities
in
Oakland
County.
The
Professional
Services
contract
want
to
take
that.
T
Yeah
yeah
sure
thank
you
so
again
for
your
consideration:
Professional
Services
contract,
which
would
be
really
to
perform
the
robust
planning
process
with
our
stakeholders,
our
communities
and
our
residents
to
make
sure
that
we're
hearing
their
voices
as
well
as
part
of
this
process.
We
also
want
to
engage
further
with
the
transit
providers
because
we
realize
that
their
service
areas
have
the
potential
to
overlap,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
seamless,
Transportation
Network
throughout
open
County.
T
We
know
that
for
the
last
hundred
years,
Transit
Transportation
have
been
a
bit
of
a
web
to
get
from
one
part
of
the
county
to
the
other
and
even
in
the
region.
So
we
want
to
start
to
untangle
some
of
those
things
and
through
the
public,
engagement
and
planning
process,
we
feel
that
we
could
put
a
team
together
of
professionals
to
assist
us
with
that.
This
is
typically
not
funded
through
other
mechanisms.
So
it's
a
an
opportunity
that
we
would
like
to
take
at
this
time
to
really
engage
with
those
stakeholders.
T
We
also
want
to
take
a
look
at
needed
infrastructure
and
we
would
need
some
assistance
from
professional
transportation
professionals
to
look
at
perhaps,
for
example,
like
garage
locations,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
drive
from
Holley
to
take
a
bus
down
to
Troy
to
have
it
serviced.
So
where
can
we
locate
some
of
those
infrastructure
needs
and
also
really
start
to
take
a
deeper
dive
on
those
state
federal
and
even
some
of
the
private
funding
opportunities
that
are
out
there
to
help
leverage
our
millage
funding?
T
So
with
that,
we
would
be
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
and
answer
anything
that
you
have
wonderful.
A
I
see,
commissioner
long,
then
commissioner,
Smith.
M
I,
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
ask
hi.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
so
my
cons,
my
question
is
so:
executive
department
is
hiring
a
Transit
division
with
one
manager
and
two
planner
positions.
So
I
don't
know
if
I'm
in
favor
of
a
professional
contract
of
two
million
dollars
we're
only
going
to
find
out
after
they
spend
the
250
every
time
they
spend
over
250
Finance,
it's
going
to
be
reported.
M
I
was
under
the
impression
that
the
positions
would
do
this
planning
and
stuff,
but
now
we're
doing
a
professional
contract
too
and
I
am
concerned,
because
you
know
there's
money
there
I
get
it,
but
it's
taxpayer
money.
So
I
I
think
that
department,
if
we're,
hiring
three
full-time
positions
with
Hefty
salaries,
I,
don't
understand
how
they
can't
plan
a
robust,
whatever,
whatever
you
say
in
here
so
I'm.
Not
so
I
don't
understand.
M
I
know
you
just
said
stuff
about
it,
but
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
this,
because
I
think
the
Physicians
can
do
it.
So
I
I
have
a
hard
time
with
some
of
the
professional
service
contracts
we
have
anyway,
but
yeah
I
just
feel
like
I,
don't
know
what
the
three
people
are
going
to
do
in
their
office
just
continue
after
this
Professional
Services
figures
out
stuff.
Are
they
just
gonna
manage
day-to-day
or
because
it's
planner
positions
so
I?
Don't
like
that
I,
don't
like
this
professional
contract?
Thank
you,
I,
don't
know.
M
That
right,
oh
okay!
Well,
that's
my
concern!
So
I'm
not
gonna
I'm,
not
really
in
support
of
that
and
I'd
I'd.
Rather
just
wait
till
we
get
the
people
in
position
and
have
them
do
that
because
to
me,
that's
a
planning
job
and
there's
going
to
be
two
people
up
there
and
at
the
transit
division.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
have
two
general
questions
at
this
point.
In
some
of
my
specific
questions,
I'll
wait
till
we
get
those
resolutions,
specifically
one
on
the
reporting
requirements.
I,
it's
great
that
we're
going
to
do
an
annual
audit
in
quarter
performance
reviews
from
each
of
the
entities.
Would
it
be
possible
either
before
or
after
their
audit
to
have
them
come
in
front
of
this
committee
once
a
year
to
kind
of
give
us
an
update,
we
can
hear
directly
from
them
all
four
of
them
is
that
possible.
J
Yeah
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
that
week
that
way,
we
can
ask
specific
questions
that
we
may
have
to
them
versus
having
to
go
through
four
or
five
different
steps
to
get
there
all
right
and
then
the
second
question
has
to
do
with
capital
and
I
understand
we're
looking
to
buy
buses
with
this
money.
Eventually,
now
will
we
own
those
buses?
Will
The
Entity
own
those
buses
who
will
own
those
pieces.
J
Relative
to
Smart,
because
they
support
outside
of
the
county,
so
are
we
going
to
be
providing
monies
that
are
going
to
be
used
by
them
to
support
entities
outside
of
Oakland
County?
If
that's
the
case,
are
we
going
to
say,
okay,
we're
going
to
give
a
percentage
of?
Let's
say
a
bus
cost
five
million
dollars,
so
you're
going
to
use
that
bus,
80
and
all
the
county?
So
we're
only
going
to
give
you,
you
know
four
million
dollars
for
that
bus
and
the
other
million
you'll
have
to
come
somewhere
else.
G
G
You
know
two
Representatives
right
now:
Brett
and
I
serve
on
the
smart
board,
so
we
approve
monthly
every
contract.
We
approve
the
budget
every
year
we
serve
on
the
audit
committee.
You
know
so
we
have
kind
of
direct
oversight
in
terms
of
you
know
the
the
budget
and
the
operations
of
smart
and
the
expansions.
G
So
when
they
think
about
the
budget,
yeah
I
mean,
if
we're
the
the
per
the
vehicle
purchase.
Is
you
know
more
contemplated
in
terms
of
the
local
providers?
You
know
when
they
come
up
with
a
dollar
for
dollar
that
that's,
why
we
put
it
off
because
we
have
to
think
through.
You
know
what
grants
are
out
there
and
how
we
approach
that
vehicle
purchase,
but
you
know,
does,
does
smart,
you
know,
have
an
integrated
budget.
Yes,
you
know.
Are
there
routes
that
start
at
12
Mile
in
Sinclair
Shores
and
run
over
to
Novi?
A
A
J
A
O
I
mean
I
I,
think
I
mean
do
I
might
actually
be
pick
up
on.
Some
of
this
is
that
the
way
that
Capital
also
gets
financed
I
mean
there.
The
bipartisan
infrastructure
Bill
allows
for
a
record
investment
in
public
transit
and
an
ability
to
tap
into
those
dollars,
and
so
I
think
to
commissioner's
Business
Point.
O
But
there
is
a
tremendous
opportunity,
and
even
before
that,
I
mean
I
it,
because
I
worked
on
a
smaller
project
with
smart
a
little
while
back
is
that
being
able
to
tap
into
Federal
dollar
for
the
capital?
Now
the
maintenance
and
everything
that's
a
different
story,
but
to
get
to
access
the
capital
to
be
able
to
bring
additional
vehicles.
O
The
idea
is
to
get
as
many
resources
and
possible
to
the
extent
that
we
don't
have
to
spend
a
dollar
on
a
vehicle
great
if
we
can
get
other
dollars
to
do
it,
because
that
that
helps
support
additional
all
I
mean
that
helps
pay
for
the
maintenance
and
operations.
But
we
recognize
that
at
some
point
we're
going
to
have
to
invest
some
on
the
on
the
infrastructure.
U
To
Echo
Dwight
Farrell
general
manager,
smart
to
Echo
what
chairman
Woodward
said:
we
don't
buy
buses
with
local
money,
there's
not
enough
local
money
to
buy
a
bus
period
if
it
were
not
for
the
fact
that
Michigan
did
the
local
match.
U
We'd
really
have
a
problem,
so
all
of
the
buses
in
Smart's
Fleet
are
provided
with
federal
dollars.
We
get
Federal
formula
money
predicated
on
the
miles
that
we
operate
to
replace
those
vehicles,
any
vehicle
that
we
buy
going
forward.
As
was
mentioned,
we're
about
to
we're
about
to
award
a
contract
for
a
lobbying
firm
because
of
all
of
the
federal
money
that's
available,
so
it's
it's
impossible
to
allocate
a
capital
asset.
The
way
that
you
are
speaking
of
when
you
have
an
organization
that
serves
multiple
counties.
U
It's
it's
just
it's
my
last
question:
yeah!
It's
not
possible,
but
in
almost
very
few
organizations
have
enough
cash
to
pay
a
half
a
million
dollars
for
a
bus,
and
why
would
you
do
that
when
the
federal
government
will
give
you
money
to
buy
and
even
the
even
the
smaller
vehicles
that
the
local
providers
are
provided
through
50
to
53-10
money?
That's
more
Federal
money,
so
it's
very
little
Capital
dollars.
U
That
would
have
to
go
for
this
now,
where
I
can
see
Capital
dollars
going
is
for
infrastructure
improvements
because
that's
a
whole
different
story,
because
that
that
money
is
much
more
difficult
to
come
by.
So
that's
you
know,
that's
a
different
kind
of
thing
if
we
have,
as
as
the
system
grows.
Obviously
our
infrastructure
requirements
will
grow
as
far
as
facilities
and
our
ability
to
be
able
to
maintain
them
and
upgrade
them,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
U
D
A
U
Yeah
and
people
can
get
reimbursed
But,
but
so
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
because
I
think
we
provide
the
vehicles.
Is
that
not
correct?
So
we
use
the
federal
process
for
everything
that
we
do
as
it
relates
to
Vehicles.
So,
even
if
you
pay
cash
for
it,
you
can
get
reimbursed
for
it
from
the
federal
government,
so
I
I,
I
I,
would
not
stress
over
that
in
in
the
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things,
there
are
other
things
that
I
would
stress
over,
but
that
would
not
be
one
of
them.
J
G
D
G
C
The
short
solo,
Phillips
Corporation
Council,
the
short
answer-
is
no.
There
was
no
legal
prohibition
to
Hillary
and
Brett
serving
in
the
roles
that
they
serve
all
right.
Thank.
F
You,
madam
chair
I'm,
very
excited
about
this.
One
of
my
kids
last
night
said
to
me
mom
if
they
actually
get
transit
out
here
in
Novi
you're
going
to
have
really
accomplished
something
that
you
wanted
to
do
because
I've
been
talking
about
Transit
and
Novi
since
1997.,
okay,
so
I'm
very
happy
you're
here
in
this
far
along
I'm,
very
invested
in
it.
F
So
in
your
prior
presentation,
Mr
rasigan,
you
showed
the
corridor
Improvement
Authority
boundaries
for
the
City
of
Novi,
and
we
are
one
of
the
biggest
Corridor
Improvement
authorities
in
the
county,
I
believe
and
I
know
they
have
not
spent
much
money
out
of
that
I
think
it
was
formed
in
2017.,
collecting
the
tax
dollars
and
so
on.
I'm
wondering
is:
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
work
with
groups
like
the
corridor
Improvement
authority
to
talk
specifically
about
infrastructure
bus
stops
hubs
all
that
kind
of
stuff
that
to
me?
F
That's
they're,
capturing
County
money,
County
tax
dollars,
who's
having
those
conversations.
I
G
I'm
going
to
say
it
a
little
bit
more
strongly
than
Brett
and
chairman
Woodward's,
probably
going
to
say
it
a
little
bit
more
strongly
than
I
am
I
mean
there
is
a
lot
of
capture
going
on
of
the
transit
money
that
the
voters
voted
for,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
establish
Partnerships.
So
that
can
go
to
the
overall
big
picture.
O
Chairman
right,
I
was
about
to
say
that
the
there
is
millions
of
dollars
being
captured
by
the
corridor
Improvement
authorities
in
the
DDA,
because
the
one
the
0.95
Mills
each
of
those
entities
captured
it.
Some
of
us
would
remember
the
DIA
and
the
in
the
zoo
millage.
There
were
some
communities
that
decided
not
to
send
that
money
over
to
those
respective
entities
and
state
law
had
to
get
changed
to
make
it
happen
technically.
I
think
we
want
a
partnership
because
we
I
mean,
frankly,
we
want
to
connect
all
our
downtowns.
O
What
that
Arrangement
is
I
mean
because,
like
the
dollars
are
coming
from,
this
millage
needs
to
be
used
to
improve
Transit
experiences
for
people
and
connecting
communities
and
connecting
people
to
where
they
need
to
want
to
go,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
an
ongoing
conversation
that,
if
you
have
a
DDA
in
your
area
by
any
means,
I
think
it's
fine
to
start
talking
about
it
because
I'm
I'm
sure
their
next
report,
the
money
that's
technically
landed,
February,
1
and
there'd
be
like
there's
more.
O
There
than
they
I
I
talked
to
one
member
and
they're
like
we
had
no
idea
that
the
rdda
would
capture
money
like
I,
know
and
I,
look
forward
to
your
plans
to
improve
Transit
but
I
think
having
me
actually
convening
them
or
us
convening,
but
you
might
be
approached
be
proactive
and
approach
and
I
know
working
with
the
team
that
we're
gonna
I
mean
this
in
the
conversation
also
working
with
our
Main
Street
communities,
because,
like
this,
we
don't
want
it
to
be
a
conflict.
O
I
mean
I
think
there
can
be
a
very
productive
conversation
about
improving
mobility
and
transit
in
every
one
of
our
I.
Believe.
There's
we're
upwards
of
17
capture
entities.
Do
you
know
off
top
of
your
head?
22.
wow,
so
it's
literally
collectively
millions
of
dollars
are
being
are
getting
captured
right
now
for
this,
that's
additional
dollars
for
Transit.
That
is
outside
the
67
million
dollars
that
we're
talking
about
that
come
into
Oakland
County.
A
Terrific
and
I
just
requested
that
we
all
get
the
list
of
all
the
ddas
because
just
to
have
the
contact
information
out
recess
right
now
and
we'll
call
them
but
I'm
kidding
so
I
do
want
to
stay
on
track.
Miss
Markham
did
you
have
anything
first,
yeah
I
did.
F
Specific
to
the
buses
that
we're
buying
are
there
plans
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
need
and
not
a
lot
of
product
out
there
right
now.
But
you
know:
what's
our
plan
for
green
buses
and
all
of
that
I
know,
semcog
is
has
just
done
a
whole
award
series
in
their
carbon
reduction
plans
and
they've
got
another
Grant
process
happening
shortly.
So
what's
our
plan
for
getting
to
green
buses
as
fast
as
we
can
I'm
glad,
you
asked.
U
U
To
do
that,
so
we
as
as
recently
as
last
Friday,
we
had
a
conversation
with
AC
transit
in
Oakland,
which
is
one
of
the
preeminent
zero
emission
fleets
in
America,
and
so
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
and
are
willing
to
work
with
us
and
help
us.
You
know
as
we
go
forward,
so
we're
going
to
do
an
alternative
fuel
analysis
to
determine
which
is
the
best
way
to
go,
and
so,
when
you
talk
about
infrastructure.
U
Putting
hydrogen
fueling
into
facilities
may
may
require
additional
land
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
there's
federal
dollars
out
there
for
a
lot
of
it.
But
when
we
were
talking
earlier
about,
where
can
these
Capital
dollars
go?
That's
certainly
an
area
that
can
help
we're
also
looking
at
electric
vehicles
for
Paratransit,
Services,
the
disabled
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
we're
with
the
Alternatives
fuel
analysis
program.
F
U
That
are
out
there
wanting
to
give
money
for
correct,
so
so
part
of
part
of
the
bipartisan
infrastructure.
Bill
has
got
billions
of
dollars
for
zero
emission
vehicles,
of
which
we
will
be,
and
it's
discretionary
money
so
but
we'll
be
competing,
and
we
want
to
put
ourselves
in
a
position
to
compete
for
those
dollars
right.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
I
I
think
it's
interesting
that
this
side
of
the
table.
We
all
come
from
communities
that
have
never
had
public
transportation
accessible
to
the
masses.
My
two
friends
from
Novi
here
and
then
I'm
Rochester,
is
my
hometown.
I
live
within
walking
distance
of
downtown
and
I
represent
Auburn
Hills
and
Rochester
Hills,
so
I've
been
looking
forward
to
this
meeting
for
years
and
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here.
That
being
said,
I've
got
a
Litany
of
questions
and
I
hope.
B
You'll
just
bear
with
me,
because
I'm
cognizant
of
the
time
I
do
want
to
Echo
the
the
hesitations
of
commissioner
long
I
I
think
that
personally
I
would
like
to
preserve
as
much
flexibility
as
possible,
and
that
feels
a
little
bit
reductive.
So
if
you
could
maybe
offline
educate
me
further
about
why
we're
exactly
trying
to
do
that?
2
million
on
top
of
the
admin
that
we'd
already
talked
about
that'd
be
great.
B
But
my
first
question
is
I
I
read
all
96
pages
of
the
rta's
master
plan
last
year,
I
thought
it
was
really
enlightening
and
I've
read
lots
of
research
on
transportation
and
time
and
time
again,
frequency
is
identified
as
the
single
most
important
factor
for
increasing
Rider
rights
and
I'm
sure
we're
all
pretty
sensitive
to
our
reputation
as
a
group
of
as
the
government
who
just
grabbed
a
bunch
of
taxpayer
money
and
the
taxpayers
are
watching
us
to
see
what
we
do
with
that
money.
B
I
am
very
cautious
if
we
go
the
direction
of
haphazard
expansion
for
the
sake
of
expansion
versus
doubling
down
on
the
routes
we
have,
and
increasing
frequency
and
Reliance
and
reliability
to
increase
ridership
that
ridership
on
those
expansions
and
I
live
in
an
expansion
area.
Ridership
on
those
expansions
is
not
going
to
be
very
fruitful
and
it's
going
to
be
a
replay
of
the
People
Mover.
It's
going
to
be
a
replay
of
the
queue
line
where
like.
Why
are
we
spending
money,
pushing
buses
down
into
downtown
Rochester
and
just
based
on
the
Smart's
current
timetables?
B
G
Well,
all
of
us
probably
have
an
opinion
on
that.
So
I'm
not
well.
U
It's
not
equipment,
it's
people,
so
we
have
a
and
Tiffany
can
speak
to
the
details,
but
we
have
a
number
of
actually
in-person
hiring
events
that
are
going
on
all
over
this
region
to
increase
the
number
of
bus
operators,
mechanics
and
cleaners
that
we
have
so
we're
also
looking
at
ways
to
be
able
to
expand
demand.
Our
own
demand,
our
Flex
service,
with
the
objective
for
all
of
it,
is
being
able
to
increase
frequency.
U
I
agree
with
you.
An
hour
service
is
not
like
having
any
and
so
anything
that's
above
20
minutes
in
the
21st
century.
Just
really
doesn't
work.
So
from
our
perspective
and
from
our
planning
perspective,
it
is
about
making
the
routes
that
we
have
work
better.
U
One
of
the
reasons
why
we
brought
Harmony
on
is
to
improve
our
own
planning
efforts
within
the
organization,
so
I
I
understand
the
the
excitement,
because
there's
a
lot
of
money
coming
in
and
as
somebody
who
has
been
through
this
process
before
it
is
about
measuring
expectations.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
is
under
promise
and
over
deliver
awesome
so
and.
G
These
are,
these
are
if
I
can
Dwight
I
mean
these
are
expansions
and
extensions
of
routes.
B
As
well,
absolutely
okay
awesome
may
I.
Okay,
all
right!
This
is
a
probably
a
much
easier
question,
so
standardizing
fares,
two
dollars
was
something
that
was
noted
for
woda,
Nota
and
OPC.
Just
curious.
If
smart
proper
is
considering
a
per
pair
or
per
ride,
Fair
structure
too,
instead
of
a
time-based
by
four
hours
by
eight
hours
by
24
hours,.
U
Well,
first
of
all,
I'm
not
aware
of
that.
Oh
that
we
did
that
yep.
O
About
the
fear
that
intercedes,
with
queue
line,
I.
U
Okay:
okay,
one
of
the
things
that
we
we're
going
to
explore
is
either
you
buy
the
fair
you
buy
a
day
pass.
A
lot
of
systems
have
gone
to
that.
To
simplify
the
structure,
for
the
very
reasons
that
you
talk
about,
we're
also
going
to
look
at
something
called
Fair
capping,
but
we've
got
to
have
the
technology
to
be
able
to
do
that.
U
So
fair
capping
is
one
of
the
ways
that
disadvantaged
people
who
say
I
can't
afford
a
hundred
dollars
for
a
pass,
not
that
it
passes
a
hundred
dollars,
but
I
just
pull
that
number
out
there.
Don't
don't
stress
that
was
just
what
hit
my
mind
well
for
25.
How
about
that
for
25?
You
can
do
the
same
thing
through
Fair,
capping
which
says
after
you
take
so
many
rides
that
that
equates
to
that.
Then
you
don't
pay
for
the
rest
of
the
month.
U
So
so
there
are
a
number
of
different
things
that
are
going
to
come
into
play
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
caution
is
committee
on
is
this
is
very
dynamic.
U
You
know,
and
in
a
lot
of
ways
we're
we're
we're
we're
we're
pushing
smart
forward
in
ways
that
it
has
not
gone
before.
U
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
and
just
to
be
able
to
put
this
in
perspective,
we'd
like
to
have
a
single
application
that
allows
for
you
to
plan
your
trip,
pay
for
your
trip
and
ride.
So
we
just
awarded
a
contract
for
a
project
manager
help
us
do
that
awesome
to
develop
the
specifications.
So
we
can
put
that
out.
Awesome!
Thank
you
so
so,
and
I
also.
It
is
our
opinion
to
increase
micro
Transit.
Now,
that's
not
going
to
happen
this
year.
So
don't
know
anybody.
U
But
no
don't
don't
do
that,
but
microtransit
expansion
across
the
region
is
something
that
we
like
to
do
and
that's
going
to
go
with
lots
of
community
outreach
and
engagement
to
determine
what
the
hour
should
be.
How
big
Zone
should
be
it's
a
lot
of
that,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
like
some
mad
scientists.
You
know
in
a
room
saying:
okay,
here's
a
monster,
but
we'll
all
be
mad.
Scientists
together,
awesome.
A
And
let
me
just
please
preface
that
by
saying
we're
going
to
try
to
move
along
by
fashioning
our
questions
to
the
resolutions
when
we
open
them,
and
then
we
can
vote
as
well.
But
Johnson
and
ramen
are
both
in
line
are
in
the
queue
for
questions
and
comments.
So
go
for.
It.
A
B
A
very
philosophical
question:
I'm
just
curious
Dwight
and
anyone
else
too.
Do
you
perceive
Smart's
role
mainly
to
be
to
provide
an
alternative
mode
of
transportation
for
workday
commuters
or
to
connect
the
residents
of
Oakland
County
to
places
they
want
to
go
more
generally,
the
second
one,
okay,
thank
you,
I
see
it
by
far.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
If
we're
going
to
entertain
questions
at
the
resolutions,
yeah
should
I
hold
off
until
we
get
to
that
stage
or
whatever's
easiest.
P
So
I
do
have
one
quick
question
that
will
sort
of
tie
into
that.
So,
as
we
looked
at
the
potential
expansion
plans
and
sort
of
the
map
you
presented,
which
I
appreciate
it's
really
great
to
look
at
and
like
commissioner
Marco,
might
you
know
I'm
a
huge
advocate
of
this.
The
one
thing
that
I
want
to
be
very
cognizant
of
is
that
we
are
including
the
cities
and
townships
in
any
proposed
rollout
right,
so
I
know
the
lowest
hanging.
Fruit
is
going
to
be
to
expand
our
current
lines,
which
I
think
is
great.
P
You
know
coming
from
a
community
like
Novi
I
know
it's
very
much
needed
and
it's
sort
of
a
no-brainer.
In
my
opinion
that
hey
look,
we
already
have
existing
routes,
let's
just
take
them
a
little
bit
farther,
so
we're
hitting
12
Oaks
Mall
we're
hitting
Providence
Park
Hospital.
You
know
those
things
make
sense
to
me,
but
I
know
one
of
the
big
concerns
I'm
hearing
as
I
talk
to
the
communities
is
they
have
little
to
no
involvement,
thus
far
with
anything
in
the
process
right.
P
So,
while
maybe
everybody
in
this
room
may
be
on
board-
and
this
makes
sense
to
us-
it's
really
going
to
shoot
ourselves
in
the
foot
if
we
try
to
roll
anything
out
without
first
getting
some
buy-in
from
the
cities
and
I
just
want
to
make
100
sure
that
that
is
happening,
and
if
it
is
great
but
I
just
didn't
necessarily
hear
that
in
the
presentation.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
on
the
same
page.
In
that
regard,
we.
G
U
One
of
the
things
that
we
learned
from
one
of
the
other
transit
systems
that
expanded
microtransit
was
they
decided
to
expand
micro
Transit
so
that
the
hours
were
the
same
across
all
32
zones
that
they
had
well.
They
found
out
that
that
doesn't
necessarily
make
sense.
So
now
they're
going
back
through
a
series
of
community
meetings
to
see
both
talking
with
citizens
and
businesses
in
terms
of
what
makes
sense
for
this
group
versus
another
group,
always
with
the
intention
making
sure
that
you
can
get
home.
U
So
there's
going
to
be
again,
one
of
the
reasons
for
hiring
Harmony
onto
our
staff
is.
She
is
familiar
with
all
of
the
public.
The
federally
required
public
engagement
processes
that
are
required
to
be
able
to
do
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
so
we
we
get.
Our
federal
funding
is
tied
to
following
these
processes.
A
Great,
so
what
we're
going
to
do
now
is
I'll,
entertain
a
motion
to
receive
a
file
and
then
so
moved
supported
by
commissioner
Ramen
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
the
presentation.
Okay.
A
That
motion
to
receive
a
file
carry.
We
are
now
at
item.
D
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
that
to
recommending
forward
to
finance
which
is
item
D,
the
economic
development
interlocal
agreement
between
Western
Oakland,
Transportation,
Authority
and
Oakland
County
for
local
public
transportation
services.
I
have
a
motion,
commissioner,
Johnson
and
supported
by
commissioner
long
comments.
Questions
thoughts
on
item
d.
O
P
One
quick
question
just
want
to
clarify
so
with
the
the
request
for
appropriation
of
funding,
and
really
it's
for
all
of
these-
it's
not
just
for
D.
It's
for
continuation
and
expansion
of
said
Services
correct.
So
are
we
completely
crystal
clear
on
what
that
expansion
is?
Is
it
primarily,
for
you
know,
getting
everything
up
to
speed
on
the
back
end?
Is
it
truly
for
expansion?
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
what
the
money
is
being
appropriated
for
at
this
time.
G
Yes,
it
is
for
continuation
and
and
and
preserving
their
current
service,
it's
for
expansions
that
they
can
do
within
their
current
infrastructure
like
longer
hours
of
operation,
and
it's
for
building
to
the
point
where
we
have
increased
Vehicles.
So
that's
why
you'll
see
in
skipping
around
right
the
Nota
budget,
the
Improvement
to
the
parking
lot,
because
they
have
EV
vehicles
coming
on
board,
so
they
need
the
EV
charging
stations
or
they
need
to
improve
their
technology
or
they
need
to
hire
these
Mobile
Mechanics.
G
So
it's
all
three
of
those
things
leaving
out
the
major
expansion
of
vehicles,
which
we
want
to
take
some
time
and
make
sure
that
we're
accessing
other
funds,
we'll
probably
come
back
in
the
summer
for
an
amendment
to
to
Grapple
with
that
purchase
of
those
vehicles
just
so
that
those
are
the
three
segments,
so
it
is
building
for
that
future
expansion
as
well
got
it.
Commissioner,
Woodward.
O
So
I
mean
if
you
can
look
into
the
scope
of
services
and
there's
like
again
the
commonality
of
Universal
writer
fees,
I
would
say
equivalent
slight
variations
on
hours
of
service
in
an
area
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
like
in
in
the
presentation,
I,
don't
think
I
actually
popped
up
on
that
screen,
but
in
the
slides,
like
the
area,
that's
drawn.
That
like
this
is
like
the
expansion
area
based
on
existing
capacity
and
hopefully
more
with
more
Vehicles.
That's
accurate.
Those.
O
Right,
okay,
so
Milford
the
three
communities
for
communities
that
made
up
woda
over
this
area.
If
there's
capacity,
do
we
have
the
ability
to
pick
up
people
in
Milford.
I
O
No
I
understand
that,
but
it's
I
guess,
like
the
question
I
mean
to
the
world
like
if
there's
again,
if
there
is
capacity,
and
certainly
you
need
more
vehicles
that
and
I
know,
Milford
was
a
community
that
quota
supported
and
probably
still
get
calls
to
this
day.
Thinking
you
still
I
mean
it's
like
so
we're.
Here
we
have
the
resources,
our
capacity
and
I
know.
Every
one
of
these
Transit
agencies
are
trying
to
figure.
O
I
mean
want
to
be
able
to
move
as
many
people
as
possible
so
that
I
guess
to
the
world
is
and
and
I
think
what
it
has
to
like
manage,
like
the
expectation
was
communicated
out
there
of
what's
able
to
be
delivered
with
someone
in
Milford
be
able
to
get
on
a
vehicle
if
there
was
capacity.
T
D
T
G
O
And
I
under
I
think
I
mean
to
commissioner
Robin's
point
of
view,
particularly
around
the
private
stuff.
If,
if
my
Grandma
needs
to
be
picked
up
to
go
to
the
doctor
in
Milford,
I,
don't
know
how
much
Community
engagement
has
to
happen
as
long
as
grandma
gets
to
the
doctor,
I
mean
I,
just
like
and
and
I
know
that
there's
other
providers
like
in
the
space
and
that's
fine
as
far
because
we're
doing
we're
talking
about
a
reimbursement
system
and
everything.
O
O
O
O
Can
we
get
them
like
there's
nothing
that
stops
IT
and
we'll
be
trying
I
mean
I
think
to
the
extent
we
want
to
be
tracking
this
stuff
and
like
what
does
it
cost
to
keep
running
this?
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we
want
to
feed
the
beast
and
expand
into
these
other
areas
that
just
this
boundary
is
largely
defined
on.
This
is
as
much
area
we
can
cover
with
our
Fleet
to
be
able
to
get
people
back
and
forth
and
move
around.
O
A
F
A
F
A
Thank
you
for
putting
that
in
the
for
the
record,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
prompt
the
vote
for
our
wota
agreement.
F
E
E
A
E
C
A
The
Rochester
Hills
Oakland
Rochester,
older
persons,
commission
and
the
Oakland
County
for
local
public
transportation
services,
I'll
accept
a
motion,
I
think
saw
Mr,
Swizz
and
Mr
Johnson
and
folks,
any
any
discussion
or
comment
on
this
particular
matter.
I
A
You
item
nine
e
motion
carried,
takes
us
to
item
nine
F,
which
is
the
economic
development
interlocal
agreement
between
North
Oakland,
Transportation,
Authority
and
Oakland
County
for
local
public
transportation
services
moved
by
Mr
spizz
supported
by
Miss
Markham
I
did
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
an
addition.
It
should
be
in
the
record
there
I'm
looking
at
the
agreement
here
between
NoDa
and
Oakland
County,
and
it's
the
fourth
line
down
Township
of
Addison.
So
just
making
sure
you
see
that
in
your
notes
as
well,
any
further
discussion
or
comments
on
item
nine
f.
D
I
A
You
motion
carries
that
is
nine
F
takes
us
to
9g
Economic
Development
interlocal
agreement
between
Suburban
Mobility
Authority
for
Regional
Transportation
in
Oakland
County
for
county-wide
public
transportation
services
can
I
get
a
motion
to
recommended
for
it
to
finance.
A
O
I
mean
one
of
the
I
mean
this
I
think
it
was
explained
before
I
mean
aside
from
I,
mean
again
I
mean
all
of
these,
like
following
our
commitment
of
like
what
the
base
was
and
then
we
can
see
at
the
it's
higher
than
the
base,
because
we
want
to
build
the
capacity
to
do
more.
O
The
expansion
service
so
I
on
the
on
the
current
server
that
Smart's
providing
is
there
a
way
as
a
companion
I
mean
it's
kind
of
like
we
know
it,
but
is
there
a
way
to
enumerate
those
routes
that
are
I
mean
and
services
like
as
a
attachment
to
this
agreement
between
now?
And
what
do
you
mean
by
well?
So
we
saw
the
expansion
routes,
but
what
you
don't
see
is
the
current
routes
on
this
map.
O
Right
and
I
mean
we've
seen
current
routes
and
the
current
routes
exist,
and
you
come
to
my
office,
so
you
can
see
it
all
the
time
because
I
look
at
it
every
day,
but
I
mean
that
there
some
documentation
like
of
that
30
big
chunk
money.
That
I
mean
that
I
mean
to
maintain
everything
that
we
currently
have
and
I
think
maintain
with
like
an
asterisk,
because
I
as
smart
continues,
I
mean
it's.
It's
overall
planning,
you've
heard
a
reference
of
microtrans
and
other
things.
O
Things
might
change
to
better
deliver
transit
in
the
area,
but
whatever
that
is
right.
Now
that
I
mean
that
we
can
say
this
is
what
we're
we're
using,
because
I
think
it
is
our
responsibilities
across.
All
of
this
is
to
make
sure
that
I
mean
we
remain
accountable
to
All
County
residents
in
that
yep.
We're
doing
this
like
from
a
performance
perspective,
yep
we're
doing
this
and
here's
the
quality.
O
Here's
our
plan
to
improve
Quality
and,
as
you
heard,
the
general
manager
say
like
we
need
more
drivers
and
people
to
do
this
to
help
support
this,
as
that
improves
knock
on
wood,
that
we
that
we
see
it
result
in
more
rides
being
delivered
working
on
an
improvement
of
frequency
and
all
those
other
types
of
things,
and
so
be
able
to
have
a
baseline
32
million
dollars.
We
know
it's
just
keep
doing
what
you
have
been
doing,
but
I
think
it
is.
O
This
is
the
the
maiden
voyage
of
these
of
these
agreements
that
that
should
be
at
least
like
an
attachment
to
the
docks
that
we
I
mean
between
now
and
the
board
meeting.
We
can
get
something
to
that
effect,
so
that
was
the
first
thing,
the
second
so
on
the
routes
and
tonight
when
people
have
heard
I
mean
many
of
you
have
already
heard
me
as
like
this
Rochester
route.
So
if
it's
an
extension,
can
we
extend
further
so
to.
G
O
Fantastic
and
then
I
think
the
other
point
I
asked
I
mean
Hillary
answered
this
before
me
right
before
the
the
pricing
and
I
think
we
don't
need
to
know
like
what's
I
mean
what
I
mean
the
mile
cost
for
the
roon
fix
routes
and
what
the
kind
of
the
average
is
as
we
review
and
monitor
the
stuff,
we'll
look
at
it,
but
this
is
based
on
because
we'll
be
able
to
send
the
money
to
smart.
O
So,
while
we're
sending
over
10
million
dollars,
there's
a
these
dollars
are
eligible
for
lbo
local
bus
operating
dollars
of
about
of
29
29
29
match
so
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
one
way
of
thinking
about
it,
10
million
dollars
and
then
there's
another
two
point.
Now
almost
three
million
dollars
of
State
dollars.
O
That's
going
to
help
support
us
and
at
some
point
we'll
be
telling
a
much
bigger
picture,
and
this
is
this
is
the
the
Nuance
of
the
funding
that
this
is
how
much
money
that
we
have
in
this
pot
to
help
support
this
effort.
We
want
to
be
maximizing
every
available
dollar
out
there
to
improve
robust
service.
So
the
cost
of
this
is
more
than
the
additional
dollars
we're
providing
to
Smart
because
they
they're
relying
on
the
state
funds,
though
that
they're
able
to
draw
down
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
to
everyone's
attention.
J
Just
a
quick
question
and
I
don't
know
if
there
is
an
answer
out
there,
because
chairman
Woodward
briefly
touched
about
it.
You
know
commission
for
perspective.
We
understand
how
much
it
is
roughly
for
a
mile
of
road
where
you're
asking
for
a
10.1
million
dollars.
Additional
funding
and
Hillary
and
I
touched
on
a
little
bit
yesterday
about
the
way
smart
does
their
budget.
It's
not
necessarily
easy
to
break
all
that
out,
but
is
there
a
rough
idea,
I
mean:
can
I
get
a
ballpark
I'm
an
engineer,
I'm
a
numbers.
J
Guy
I
need
to
get
a
good
idea.
How
I
mean
making
up
that
10.1
million
I
have
no
idea
based
on
what's
in
this
list
of
how
that
is
made
up
other
than
the
2.5
for
the
Ada
part
of
it
right
so
out
of
the
other
7.6
million
dollars.
Is
it
for
I
think
three
extended
routes
in
a
new
route?
Is
it
million
dollars?
Let's
you
know
for
20
more
stops.
Is
it
a
million
dollars
for
40
more
miles?
I
mean
I
mean
just
ballpark
in
that.
G
Right,
if
that's
even
possible
it
is
they
look
at
it
in
a
similar
way
in
terms
of
miles
per
per
route.
Ryan,
do
you
want
to
answer
that
we
haven't,
we
haven't
had
given.
V
V
You
know
traffic's
a
little
more,
so
it's
not
it's
not
exact,
but
on
average
smart
budgets
about
13
per
mile,
a
fixed
route
service,
the
connector
service
or
our
Paratransit
service
is
a
little
bit
of
a
weird
animal
in
that
it
has
more
to
do
with
service
area
as
opposed
to
actual
Miles,
because
you
kind
of
you
have
to
provide
that
service
within
a
geographic
region,
and
it's
you're
not
running
that
bus
unless
there's
a
demand
for
it,
so
that
that's
a
little
harder
to
to
estimate,
but
based
on
the
expansion
and
the
geographic
area
that
we'd
have
to
provide
that.
J
Question,
yes,
that
gives
me
a
ballpark
and
I
can
actually
maybe
run
some
math
and
get
a
good
idea.
My
second
question-
and
you
may
not
have
this
answer
yet
also
being
an
engineer
I'd
like
to
know
effective
dates.
When
do
things
start?
Do
we
have
a
Target
when
these
expanded
routes
are
gonna,
start
I,
don't
need
an
exact
date
because
I'd
say
Monday,
you
know
March
1st.
Let's
say
you
know
first
quarter
second
quarter
or
the
month
of
May
month.
Something
like
that.
S
Right,
commissioner,
great
question:
so
what
we
have
to
do
next
and
to
commissioner
rahman's
Point
on
the
public
hearings
is
we
need
to
get
through
those
and
that's
going
to
take
a
couple
of
months
to
do
so.
A
B
W
Andy
thorner
manager
planning
at
smart
as
Hillary
mentioned.
When
we
do
these
route
changes
we
do
have.
We
have
to
follow
federal
policy
and
it
all
falls
under
title
VI,
which
is
the
Civil
Rights
Act,
where
we
have
to
show.
We
don't
discriminate
for
low-income
and
minority
and
saying
that
we
have
a
threshold
of
25
percent
change
in
a
route.
So,
like
the
Grand
River
route,
we
end,
we
ended
Farmington
Hills
that
extension
based
on
the
entire
route
length
will
be
less
than
25
percent,
so
I
technically
that
route.
W
Our
policy
that
was
approved
by
the
board
and
approved
by
the
the
feds
say
that
we
have
to
put
notices
in
the
regional
paper,
the
Free,
Press
and
and
the
news
and
the
minority
minority
paper
which
we
use
the
Michigan
Chronicle
and
those
have
to
be
put
in
20
days
prior
to
any
public,
Outreach
cool
and
so
we'll
publish
those.
And
then
our
policy
also
says
we
have
to
have
one
public
hearing
in
each
of
the
counties.
That's
affected
well,
primarily,
I
think
we're
only
talking
Oakland
County
with
these
changes
so
policy
wide.
W
We
have
to
have
one
public
hearing
and
that's
where
we
bring
in
a
court
reporter
they
document
everything,
but
prior
to
that
we
do
have
public
meetings
that
aren't
as
official
what
we
do
with
transcript
and
stuff.
So
you
know
we'll
take
that
information,
all
the
comments
and
we
compile
it
and
we
put
it
into
a
document
and
give
it
to
the
board
for
their
approval.
So
any
of
these
changes
will
go
to
the
board
for
approval
well,
and
then
we
also
have
to
do
a
part
of
this
whole
public
process.
W
We
have
to
do
another
document
called
a
service
Equity
analysis.
So
whenever
we
make
a
major
service
change,
we
have
to
look
at
each
route.
We
have
to
do
a
whole
demographic
analysis.
Look
at
minority
and
low
income
see
how
they're
going
to
be
affected
by
it
and
through
that
analysis
and
present
it
to
the
board,
so
that's
kind
of
our
public
hearing
process.
Thank
you,
yeah.
W
They're
yeah
in
Pontiac,
no,
not
I,
I'm
a
smokable
Pontiac
okay,
but
we
may
have
one
in
Pontiac.
We
may
you
know,
have
a
Novi,
Rochester,
Hills
I'm
sure
our
our
new
vice
president
of
planning
will
will
make
those
decisions.
We
use
our
our
Melissa
or
Madonna
van
fossen
who's,
our
Oakland
County
I'm,
Bud's
person,
I,
don't
know
a
lot
of
you.
Probably
people
know
of
her
in
the
past.
She's
helped
us
locate,
facilities
and
and
places
to
hold
meetings.
J
A
Thank
you,
wonderful
I,
think
that
covers
all
hearts
and
Minds
I
did
want
to
just
make
a
quick
plug
for
the
Eight
Mile
Southfield
intersection,
where
it
does
still
look
very
much
like
a
we'll
call
it
a
drop
zone
where
there's
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
lines,
it's
quite
difficult,
but
of
course,
I'll
look
forward
to
those
opportunities
to
speak
when
it's
opened
up
to
the
public.
So
with
that,
let's
go
ahead
and
prompt
the
vote
for
item
nine
G.
E
O
I
I
think
this
is
I
mean
a
great
idea.
I
mean
I,
guess
one
suggestion
and
I
I
don't
want
to
take
up
time
here,
but
maybe
in
finance
to
amend
the
title,
because
the
idea
is
like
this
is
a
one-year
thing,
so
we
don't
want
to
put
out
there
that
this
Local
transportation
reimbursement
program
is
an
ongoing
thing,
so
either
adding
the
word
interim
or
2023
I
mean
adding
something
to
that
and
so
between
now,
and
the
next
meeting
can
maybe
make
an
adjustment
and
reflect
it.
O
Well,
we
do
this
and
whatever
whatever
that
is
that
as
a
county,
we
are
saying
we're
going
to
set
some
money
aside
to
fully
reimburse
you
if
the
County's
all
paying
in
this
millage,
whatever
your
out
of
pocket
costs
beyond
the
municipal
credits
and
other
grants
that
you
have
coming
in,
that
every
Community
will
be
made
whole
and
over
the
course
of
this
year,
amendments
to
agreements,
expansion
with
all
those
types
of
things
that
we'll
figure
out.
What's
going
how
it's
going
forward,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
that
all
of
us
communicate.
O
This
is
a
one-year
thing.
This
is
I
mean,
should
not
be
looked
at
as
an
ongoing.
It's
a
policy
I
mean
conversation,
but
the
intent
is
going
to
be
one
year.
The
the
second
piece
of
that
is
the
500
000
that
we're
pre,
based
on
the
information
that
we
have
we're
pretty
confident
that
we'll
cover
it.
I
know
that
there's
one
I
mean
community.
That
puts
a
considerable
amount
in
and
I
think
many
of
you
I
mean
Independence,
Township
and
I've
actually
talked
with
them
as
well,
and
but
I
mean
it's
gonna.
O
A
Great
anything
further,
all
right
so
noted
and
we'll
address
that
afterwards.
For
now
the
title
will
remain
the
same
and
finance
chair
can
work
on
that
later.
All
right,
let's
prompt
the
vote.
A
That
motion
carries
that's
nine
H
motion
passed,
takes
us
to
nine
I,
which
is
executive
office
resolution
request
to
enter
into
Professional
Services
contracts
for
county-wide
Transit
planning
and
public
engagement
and
appropriation
of
Oakland
County
transportation.
Millage
funds
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
Mrs
Markham,
supported
by.
G
I,
if
I
might
on
this,
because
I
know
that
it
has
come
up
several
times
and
I
actually
think
and
I
was
taking
notes
as
everyone
kind
of
asked
questions
or
raised
points
to
a
certain
extent.
I
think
all
of
you
have
made
the
case
for
why
we
need
this
technical
assistance
and
I
know
that
professional
service
contracts
are,
you
know
not
all
we
are
are
controversial.
I
know
that
the
notion
of
Consultants,
you
know
from
the
board's
perspective,
has
been.
G
You
know
sometimes
controversial,
but
I
think
when
you
think,
through
what
we've
all
talked
about
in
terms
of
public
engagement,
in
terms
of
technical
expertise,
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we're
leveraging,
federal
and
state
funding
and
what
we,
what
we
don't
and
what
we,
what
we
know
what
we
don't
know,
I
think
that
we've
actually
made
the
case
for
why
we
need
this
I
mean
at
some
point.
Brett
and
Kristen
need
to
go
back
to
their
day
jobs.
G
And
yes,
we
are
grateful
that
we
will
hopefully
knock
on
wood,
find
a
manager
that
has
a
level
of
Transit
expertise,
but
they're
still
going
to
need
to
be
backstopped
by
a
a
a
really
kind
of
a
professional,
independent
outfit.
Who
can
do
all
of
those
things
in
terms
of
you
know
the
analysis,
the
public
engagement,
the
demographics,
the
flow,
the
costs,
the
grants,
I
mean
even
an
outfit
like
smart,
who
has
Transit
35-year
experts
in
terms
of
planning,
approves
contracts
to
bring
on
outside
independent
Transit
expertise
to
help.
G
You
know
think
through
the
big
picture,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
that
this
not
this
need
not
be
discounted,
or
we
appreciate
the
confidence
that
you
have
in
the
staff,
but
that
it
not
be
underestimated.
How
much
kind
of
you
know
how
important
this
could
be
in
terms
of
our
efforts
going
forward,
and
it
may
not
be
two
million
dollars.
G
G
It
could
be
that
we
kind
of
piggyback
onto
that
contract
and
it's
less,
but
I
do
really
believe
that
it
is
important
for
us
to
have
an
independent
outfit
that
we
can
engage
to
do
things
I
mean
we
I'm
more
than
happy
to
schedule.
Neighborhood
meetings
I'm
more
than
happy
to
go
to
any
meeting
that
you
have,
but
there's
nothing
better
than
an
independent
outfit
that
goes
out
and
talks
to
stakeholders
and
does
public
online.
G
O
Need
your
hand
up
before
I
push
my
button,
so
I
mean
I
I
want
to
Echo
Chief
Deputy
I
mean
Chambers
comments
that
the
need
and
support,
but
I
I,
think
I
also
hear
and
I
and
I
heard
from
some
of
you.
I
mean
prior
to
this,
that
the
details
and
actually
how
this
will
work.
O
We
want
more
information,
so
if
we
can
I
mean
I
we're
on
such
a
role
moving
the
stuff
forward,
I
don't
want
it
to
derailed.
So
is
there
a
way
to
I
mean
over
the
next
couple
weeks,
like
think
flesh
out
what
this
looks
like,
because
I
mean
because
there
is
I
mean
it
might
not
be
more
than
two
million,
maybe
it's
less
than
2
million.
What
does
that
look
like?
What
is
the
community
I
mean?
What
is
the
additional
assistance
of
community
engagement?
O
M
O
A
J
If
I
could
comment
that
I
know,
I'm,
probably
the
loudest
on
the
board
relative
to
Consultants
on
the
outside
I'm,
not
a
big
fan.
It's
no
secret!
What
I'd
like
to
recommend
here,
because
there
are
some
cases
where
you
do
need
them.
I
do
see
that,
and
especially
when
we
get
into
some
of
the
newer
Technologies
I
know
we're
talking.
J
J
Hopefully
a
manager
come
in
first,
so
they
can
help
us
develop
this
versus
us
trying
to
do
it
and
you
guys
are
trying
to
do
it
on
the
side
or
and
place
up
your
other
jobs,
whichever
one
you're
doing
to
do.
I'd,
like
a
little
bit
more
time
than
two
weeks
personally,
I'd
like
to
say
another
month,
or
at
least
until
the
we
get
the
manager
in
place,
that
we
have
this
discussion
at
that
point,
because
I
think
we'll
have
a
better
idea
what
we
truly
need.
J
G
Don't
look,
I
will
I
understand,
I
I
just
want
to
again
emphasize.
You
know
we
are
talking
about
shepherding
68
million
dollars
and
between
what
you
have
already
approved
in
terms
of
the
transit
office,
and
this
that's
four
percent
of
the
68
million
dollars
to
make
sure
that
we
expand
and
and
and
use
those
and
make
the
right
next
steps.
In
terms
of
you
know
what
Brandon
talked
about
in
terms
of
improving
the
current
service.
G
What
we
talk
about
in
terms
of
how
to
interweave
the
local
providers
and
I
just
have
to
say
since
Brett,
Kristin
and
I
have
been
the
ones
you
know
with
chairman
Woodward's
support
who've
been
engaging
with
the
local
communities.
I.
Think
the
level
of
Engagement
that
you
are
encouraging
us
to
do
would
be
really
stronger
if
it
was
coming
from
also
an
independent
entity,
because
then
they
can
talk
the
nuts
and
volts
they
can
talk
about
what
their
real
needs.
Are.
G
It's
not
a
political
conversation,
so
I'm
fine
with
taking
more
time
and
engaging
around
the
substance,
but
I
just
hope
that
you'll
appreciate,
like
the
the
the
the
work
that
is
before
us
to
do,
and
what
you're
asking
us
to
do
and
that
fact
of
having
just
a
backstop
of
an
of
an
independent
expert.
You
know
and
I
don't
even
know
who
that
would
be
at
our
disposal
to
use
so
that
it's
not
just
you
know,
staff
driven
I.
Just
don't
think
I
can
underestimate
the
importance
of
that.
B
You
I
I'm,
certainly
not
opposed
to
hiring
outside
entities.
B
I
I
know
I've
used
the
analogy
a
few
times
with
a
few
of
you,
but
there's
a
great
analogy
in
public
transit
that
like,
if
you
show
a
group
of
people,
an
avocado
and
tell
them
it
makes
this
really
cool
thing
called
guacamole,
but
they've
never
learned
the
process
before
it's
really
hard
to
just
guess
how
guacamole
is
made
so
I
understand
that
our
County,
since
we
don't
have
like
really
thriving
Regional
public
transportation
right
now,
it's
probably
going
to
be
difficult
to
make
that
guacamole
without
hiring
outside
people
who
know
the
recipe
first
I
do
want
to
not
be
redundant
though,
and
I
just
when,
when
we
are
getting
more
specific
information
in
the
future,
if
you
could
point
out
why
we
need
this
right
now
when,
from
my
vantage
point,
the
RTA
did
exactly
this
thing
two
years
ago,
it
already
in
the
context
of
covid.
B
That
would
be
really
helpful
for
me,
especially
from
a
public
engagement
perspective.
Thanks.
A
O
K
K
G
A
J
A
So
that
motion
carries
seven
six
to
one.
I
A
A
It's
wonderful,
then
that
takes
us
to
our.
Thank
you.
Wonderful
people
at
the
end
of
the
table
for
spending
all
your
morning
with
us,
we're
gonna,
move
into
item
10,
which
is
public
comments,
and
anyone
from
the
public
who'd
like
to
address
Economic,
Development
infrastructure
committee
this
morning.
Please
do
make
your
way
to
the
front.