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Okay,
next
up,
we
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
January
18th
meeting.
I
need
a
motion,
commissioner
Powell
supported
by
commissioner
long
all
in
favor.
Let's
prompt
the
vote
on
approval
of
the
minutes.
If
there
are
no
comments
or
questions.
E
B
Madam
chair,
we
have
nine
years.
Okay,.
A
Minutes
are
approved
next
step
is
approval
of
today's
agenda.
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
of
notes
here.
We
are.
We
have
reordered
item
number
nine
to
bring
public
transit
up
in
the
order
so
that
the
local
providers
can
get
out
of
here
at
a
reasonable
hour,
and
also
we
removed
the
one
item
in
EDI
that
we
talked
about
postponing
till
a
later
meeting
and
I
think
that's
every
we
do
have
a
closed
session
at
the
end.
A
G
A
Thank
you
agenda
is
approved.
Next
up
is
public
comment.
This
public
comment
is
for
anything
currently
on
today's
agenda.
If
there's
anyone
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
address
us,
please
come
to
the
end
of
the
table
and
you
have
three
minutes.
A
Seeing
no
one
I
will
close
this
public
comment.
We
have
a
public
comment
at
the
end.
If
someone
cares
to
come
so
shoot,
I
thought
we
were
going
to
put
it
behind
the.
A
A
A
Okay,
so
with
that
I'm
gonna
open
it
up
to
item
9A,
which
is
the
Oakland
Transit
presentation
and
we're
welcoming
Hillary
Chambers
and
her
staff.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
are
pleased
to
be
back,
we'll,
try
not
to
repeat
everything
that
we
discussed
a
short
time
ago,
but
we
do
have
three
new
Commissioners
here
so
good
morning.
K
Probably,
most
importantly,
I
think
always
to
repeat
what
we
said
at
the
beginning
of
edni,
which
is
the
expression
of
our
gratitude,
mine,
most
very
much
of
the
staff.
Since
the
voters
approve
the
transit
millage
in
November,
Brett
razigan,
who,
as
you
know,
is
our
manager
of
planning
and
is
calling
Kristen
wolffang
have
been
just
tremendous
in
terms
of
their
work,
specifically
on
Transit.
We
wouldn't
be
here
today,
but
for
you
know
their
talented
efforts.
Also
Bill
debates,
bill
and
I
always
I
want
to
get
it
right.
Did
DiBiase
from
Corp.
K
K
K
There's
probably
things
that
we
didn't
quite
get
right,
that
we
need
to
think
through
better,
but
we
wanted
to
get
the
foundation
started
so
that
we
can
have
contracts
with
these
providers
to
preserve
the
services
that
they're
doing
and
to
do
some
expansions
within
their
current
Footprints
and
very
much
to
think
think
through
the
vision
going
forward.
So
it
is
a
first
step.
You'll
probably
see
a
lot
of
Transit
activity,
you
know
going
forward
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
that
today.
L
K
Thank
you,
you
can
barely
so
just
a
quick
review
in
terms
of
what's
happened
since
November,
and
this
is
all
kind
of
from
last
year.
You
all
moved
quickly.
Our
residents
did
see
this
on
their
December
tax
bills.
You
created
a
Transit
division
within
economic
development.
That
position
for
a
manager
and
two
planners
have
been
post
did
interviews
have
been
have
been
ongoing.
We
have
one
again
this
afternoon,
so
we're
hopeful
of
bringing
on
some
staff,
expertise
and,
of
course,
the
treasurer
and
our
CFO
Kyle
gen
who's.
K
Here,
you
know
established
the
transit
fund
for
a
receipt
of
the
of
the
of
the
millage.
We
established
the
goals,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
of
having
these
foundational
agreements
in
place.
You'll
see
that
we're
coming
forward
with
a
new
idea
that
kind
of
came
from
the
conversations
that
we
had
to
create
a
2023
local
reimbursement
program
for
some
of
those
communities
that
are
outside
of
the
footprint
of
the
current
providers.
K
You'll
see
in
the
contracts
they're,
basically
based
on
what
the
providers
can
do
with
their
current
infrastructure
or
what
they
can
obtain
in
the
next
30
to
60
days,
we've
asked
and
what
they
can
build
for.
There
are
a
number
of
vehicles
that
are
on
order:
we've
kind
of
removed
the
purchase
of
those
vehicles
from
the
contract,
because
we
want
to
spend
some
time
together
and
with
other
partners
thinking
through
whether
they're
state
and
federal
funds
to
help
us
with
some
of
those
larger
purchases.
K
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
county
money
isn't
paying
for
everything
that,
when
their
state
and
federal
money
available
and
the
general
manager
from
smart,
you
know
know,
can
add
more
to
this
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
federal
money
they
receive
for
some
of
these
Capital
expenditures.
Again,
ahead
of
us
is
the
meaningful
public
and
stakeholder
Outreach
and
thinking
through
you
know,
expanding
the
footprints
of
the
providers.
What
type
of
services
are
necessary
and
how
do
we
make
sure
that
they
are
connected
by
technology
and
other
resources?
K
So
today
you
have
before
you
The,
Four,
interlocal
Agreements
and
one
resolution
we've
pooled
the
Professional
Services
one
we'll
we'll
consider
continue
the
conversations
around
that
need.
So
in
terms
of
the
agreements
they
are.
You
know
they
very
much
reflect
typical
County
type
of
interlocal
agreements.
They
were
drafted
Again
by
Corporation
Council,
their
three-year
contracts
with
one
year
of
financing
mechanism.
This
was
as
a
response
as
a
as
a
response
to
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
from
our
local
communities.
K
Initially,
we
had
indicated
to
them
that
we
would
do
one-year
contracts
because
we
wanted
to
spend
this
year.
You
know
thinking
about
years
two
to
ten,
but
they
also
want
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
sense
that
we
are
long-term
Partners,
which
of
course,
we
are,
and
so
we
made
a
three-year
base
contract
with
the
one-year
financing.
K
K
So,
starting
with
smart,
you
know
the
regions,
Mobility
provider,
there's
two
aspects
of
their
budget.
There
is
ensuring
that
we
preserve
the
current
services
that
they
provide,
and
so
we
looked
at
what
the
previous
millage
had
raised
and
the
previous
budget
and
that's
the
foundation
of
the
budget
for
smart.
We
then
asked
them
and
that's
reflected
by
this
map.
K
We
then
asked
them
to
consider
what
they
could
do
within
their
current
infrastructure
and
to
expand
their
reach,
and
so
they
came
back
to
us
with
about
a
10
million
dollar
expansion
proposal
which
we've
which
we
had
before
you
that's
reflected
in
this
chart
and
this
map.
K
But
it's
basically
eliminating
that
gap
on
Woodward
that
currently
exists,
so
that
there
will
be
stops
in
that
dead
zone,
extending
three
routes
to
Novi,
so
that
residents
can
get
to
work
or
to
to
where
they're
going
out
there
improving
routes
from
West
through
West
Bloomfield
through
Orchard
Lake,
Hugo,
Harbor
and
and
Sylvan
Lake,
in
proving
a
route
that
currently
operates
in
Pontiac
and
Auburn
Hills
and
adding
a
new
route
that
would
go
through
Troy
up
to
Rochester
and
over
to
Auburn
Hills.
K
K
And
this
is
a
map
that
kind
of
highlights
you
can
see
in
the
Novi
area.
You
know
the
Grand
River
or
the
12
mile,
where
in
in
in
in
in
in
current
operations,
the
bus
stops
where
it
would
kind
of
continue,
and
you
can
see
in
green.
You
know
where
there
would
be
new
new
routes.
K
Then
we
go
on
to
the
local
providers,
the
northern
Oakland
Transit
Authority
Western
Oakland
Transit
Authority
in
the
Rochester
Rochester
Hills,
Oakland,
Township,
older
persons,
commission
and
again
we
asked
them
the
same
thing.
How
can
we
preserve
what
you're
doing,
and
what
can
you
do
more
of,
and
what
can
you
build
toward
doing
more
of,
and
so
those
are
the
budgets
that
we
have
before
you
generally
in
terms
of
some
highlights
expansion
of
hours
in
some
instances
when
they
were
there
there
they
were.
K
You
know
they
had
to
stop
service
at
like
four
o'clock:
they're
able
to
extend
those
hours,
a
standardization
of
fares
among
the
local
providers,
the
ability
to
hire
and
train
drivers
in
some
instances
in
in
the
notice
situation
where
they
need
to
improve
their
existing
parking
lot
to
accommodate
the
EV
vehicles
that
they're
receiving
from
a
semcog
grant.
That's
in
there
Equipment
Technology
different
things
that
put
them
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
expand
later
in
the
year
when
there's
new
vehicles
available
and
into
2024.
K
This
is
a
chart
that
describes
what
we're
what
we're
suggesting
through
these
four
contracts,
what
the
millage
overall
would
raise
and
then
what
would
flow
to
OPC,
woda,
NoDa
and
smart,
and
what
would
be
remaining
again?
You
can
remove
from
that
pie
chart
for
now
the
Professional
Services
proposal.
K
The
local
Transit
reimbursement
program,
this
really
kind
of
stemmed
from
conversations
that
we
had
that
commissioner
weipert
helped
organize
that
chairman
Woodward
has
had
with
some
communities
those
communities
who
are
outside
any
of
these
current
providers,
but
who
are
expending
resources
from
their
General
funds
above
what
they
receive
in
Municipal
credits
on
transit
services,
some
of
those
communities
contract
with
people's
Express
and
some
of
those
communities
like
Independence
Township
do
their
own
services.
K
So
we
wanted,
in
this
transition
period
to
make
sure
that
we
held
harmless
any
of
those
communities
that
were
expending
their
own
funds
on
transportation
for
their
residents
and
so
we're
putting
forward
for
your
consideration.
This
one-year
local
Transit
reimbursement
program,
giving
ourselves
time
to
figure
out
what's
the
best
way
to
expand
services
in
those
areas
and,
of
course,
working
with
those
communities
on
in
that
area,
and
that's.
A
Would
you
mind
introducing
yes.
K
A
L
On
the
Travis
serve
Transit
service
area,
where
the
gray
is
is
that
just
areas
that
we're
not
covering
or
like
why
we're
not
governing,
because
my
understanding
was
all
of
Oakland
County,
not
no
missing
area,
so
why
are
we
not
covering
that?
If
we're
not
or
is
it
you
know
just?
Can
you
explain
that?
That's
my
first
question,
yeah.
K
Absolutely
thank
you
for
that.
So,
yes,
the
the
the
areas
that
are
marked
are
the
current
service
areas
of
the
local
providers
and
of
smart.
So
the
smart
expansion,
of
course
would
extend
this
to
Novi
and
up
to
Rochester,
and
the
local
reimbursement
program
for
this
year
would
cover
any
expenditures
in
those
gray
or
beige
areas
that
the
local
communities
are
are
currently
providing,
and
then
the
next
phase
will
be.
You
know
when
we
think
about
EXP
Mansion
does
know
to
cover
more
areas.
K
L
Okay
say
table
it
for
more
information
for
that
local
reimbursement
just
to
get
an
understanding.
Yes,
that's
right!
Thank
you!
So
I'll
talk
about
that
later,
with
the
smart,
extended
routes
and
routes
right,
I
I
just
want
to
make
clear
that,
eventually
what
you
just
stated
on
this
route
map
ever,
you
literally
can
get
anywhere
in
Oakland
County,
like
the
new
routes
everywhere,
like
people
can
get
to
wherever
they
would
really
like
to
get
county-wide,
or
is
there
still
some
type
of
hindrance
bid
that
we're
still
doing
within
the
phasing?
L
L
One
thing
I
really
really
want.
The
keynote
is
Novi.
My
concern,
like
you,
said
it's
great,
that
we
got
it,
but
we
know
it
was
a
lot
of
politicking
and
a
lot
making.
People
like
they
would
get
transported
to
one
area
and
have
to
walk
what
two
miles
over
to
go
to
work
like.
Are
we
bridging
that
Gap
also
is
one
of
my
questions.
So,
yes,.
K
Thank
you.
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
that
that
Gap
is
definitely
bridged
in
terms
of
The
Proposal
before
you,
but
in
if,
if
I
can
trans,
if
I
can,
if
I
can
Channel,
you
know
folks
with
much
more
Transit
expertise
than
than
I
have
I
think
that
we
all
have
to
kind
of
understand
that
transit
in
and
of
itself
is
going
through
an
evolution
and
smart
is
certainly
you
know.
K
Thinking
through
this,
there
are
there
are
there
are
there
are
possibilities
that
areas
that
were
previously
even
served
by
fixed
route,
May,
ultimately
be
better
served
by
you
know
Flex
service
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
we're
being
Nimble
in
terms
of
before
we
reach
any
conclusion
that
it
is
always,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
how
many
feet
buses
there
are,
but
you
know
smart
will
tell
you
that
that's
you
know
that
that
in
the
next
20
to
30
years,
that's
very
much
going
to
change.
L
Because
to
operate
the
system,
no,
it's
very
challenging
everywhere
with
the
employment
and
we're.
This
is
like
a
real,
robust
thing.
We
we're
excited,
but
the
reality
is
we
need
the
not
a
reality,
so
I,
just
okay!
Thank
you.
You
already
answered
my
life
because
that's
what
I
wanted
to
know
is
how
is
smart?
Oh
sorry,
how
is
smart
going
to
transition?
L
Because
we
know
there
were
some
challenges?
Yeah.
K
And
and
we're
not
going
to
underestimate
those
challenges
and
the
improvements
that
need
to
happen
with
basic
services-
and
you
know,
we
as
a
region
are
very
much
you
know,
working
together
with
Smart
in
terms
of
the
workforce.
Demand
needs
that
they
have,
but
I
want
to.
Let
you
know
that
Jennifer
llewellyn's
team
on
Workforce
is
working
with
smart
on
a
really
exciting
recruitment
event
at
M1,
where
we'll
be
able
to
drive
buses
so
fast.
L
I'm
just
happy
we're
we're
putting
it
out
early.
Yes,
there
are
some
challenges
when
coming
in
here
with
lies
and
false.
You
know
just
softness.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
R
Question
about
the
pie
chart
y'all
did
and
if
I
heard
right
it's
this
funding
on
Slide
12.
and
then
the
resolutions
is
funding
for
one
year,
but
with
a
three-year
contract
and
the
pie
chart
represents
one
year
of
millage
capture
right.
So
there
will
be
it's
expected
if
nothing
changes,
15
million
ish
would
be
remaining
each
year,
but
we're
expecting
things
to
change.
R
Okay,
thanks
for
that
clarification,
and
this
also
doesn't
include
Federal
monies
or
state
monies
or
potential
bonding,
or
anything
like
that-
that
we
could
also
get
in
Grants
and
other
forms
of
dollars.
So
then
there's
a
potential
for
like
further
expansion
as
time
goes
on
in
all
sorts
of
different
ways.
This
is
just
what
we're
getting
locally
right.
K
Yes,
that
that
is,
that
is
true.
Commissioner
Covell
I
will
say
that
when,
when
smart
presents
to
us,
for
example,
that
expansion
budget,
they
have
included
in
there
the
notion
that
they
would
receive
29
of
the
local
bus
operating
funds.
So
it's
actually
probably
a
12
million
dollar
expansion,
but
they
know
they'll
receive
those
funds
in
order
to
when
they
do
the
expansion.
Okay,.
R
R
K
I
guess
I
will
say
two
things:
there
is
a
bullets
in
there
that
you'll
see
amongst
the
local
providers.
We've
had
a
conversation
about
and
they
have
different
types
of
drivers
right,
so
their
drivers
don't
have
CDLs
because
they're
operating
different
types
of
vehicles,
but
there
definitely
is
a
bullet
in
there
about
and
they've
talked
together
and
we
about
what
they
might
pay
their
drivers
so
that
they
can
increase
their
wages
and
remain
competitive
so
that
they
included
in
their
budgets.
Smart
and
Mr.
Farrell
can
can
address.
This.
K
You
know
is
currently
in
negotiations
with
their
drivers,
but
not
only
just
about
wages,
about
work
rules
and
a
lot
of
other
things,
as
we
know,
are
really
important
to
a
new
era
of
employees
and
drivers.
I
mean
Dwight
started
in
this
business
as
a
driver,
and
so
yes,
those
are
ongoing
negotiations,
but
their
their
intention
is
to
remain
as
competitive
as
possible
and.
B
N
So,
but
if
I
could
just
expand
just
a
little
bit
one
of
the
challenges
in
the
industry-
it's
not
just
Metro
Detroit
Southeast
Michigan
is
attracting
people.
The
MBTA,
which
is
the
transit
system
in
Boston,
has
2
000
vacancies.
As
we
speak
when
I
started,
there
was
a
line
of
people
trying
to
get
a
job
as
a
bus
operator,
but
the
world's
changed
since
then
so
we're
in
as
Miss
Chambers
mentioned.
We
are
in
negotiations
with
our
labor
unions
to
address
those
issues
specifically
because
it's
not
just
a
pay
issue.
N
It's
the
work
rule
issue
and,
quite
frankly,
some
of
the
work
rules
were
work,
rules
that
were
in
place
when
I
was
a
driver
that
won't
work.
Today,
quality
of
life
has
a
completely
different
meaning
in
2023
than
it
did
in
1980..
Quality
of
life
was
based
on
money.
Then
that's
based
on
time.
You
spend
with
your
family,
so
we
have
to
change.
We
have
to
negotiate
to
change
rules
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
that.
N
So
I
assure
you
that
we
will
be
as
competitive
as
any
private
provider,
any
private
employer
to
be
able
to
retain
Talent,
not
just
bus
operators,
mechanics
and
cleaners
and
I'll
also
say
that
we're
also
working
to
diversify
our
both
management
staff
and
across
the
board
to
reflect
this
community
there's
a
significant
Arab
population,
of
which
we
are
underrepresented
in
there's
a
significant
Hispanic
population
in
this
area,
of
which
we
are
underrepresented
in
that
we
are
working
to
address
so
by
expanding
in
those
areas.
N
We
think
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
fill
positions,
as
Mrs
Chambers
also
said
about
the
come
drive
a
bus,
a
lot
of
people
are
afraid
to
drive
the
vehicle
it's
intimidating,
so
we
want
you
to
come
out
and
try.
N
And
so
any
of
you
all
who
are
looking
for
opportunities
on
the
board,
if
you,
you
know,
want
to
come
work
for
Smart.
In
addition
to
your
day
job,
you
could
come
out
and
drive
a
bus
or
repairs.
N
Not
quite
you
know,
but
but
the
idea
behind
that
is
to
to
to
eliminate
some
of
the
some
of
the
barriers
that
are
there
now
just
from
from
people,
and
we
just
had
an
event
when
was
it
Tiffany?
Yes,
where
we
actually,
you
came
in
in
person
you
applied.
If
we
hired
you,
we
sent
you
for
your
test.
We
got
how
many.
N
Now
that's
pending
background
investigation
checks,
so
so
we
are
actively
doing
that
in
order
to
be
able
to
meet
this
domain.
N
R
N
A
H
Okay,
but
I
guess
from
a
from
a
finance
point
of
view
in
perspective.
That
I
think
is
mindful
for
everyone,
and
particularly
on
this
committee
and
and
Hillary,
talked
about
the
state
and
federal
match
opportunities
in
the
last
meeting.
Those
who
were
there
talked
about
the
acquisition
of
vehicles
and
there's
federal
dollars
to
be
able
to
do
this
and
figuring
out
how
to
Leverage
The
67
million
dollars
that
this
millage
produces
to
get
as
much
lbo
State
match
and
other
federal
dollars.
H
Taking
advantage
of
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
is
the
priority
to
bring
those
dollars
to
be
able
to
run
the
most
robust
and
achieve
all
the
the
vision
I
mean
the
vision
was
to
make
Transit
better
for
everyone
to
ensure
there's
access
for
everyone,
and
it's
going
to
look
different
in
different
places,
and
it's
going
to
take
some
time
to
do
that.
This
is
I,
think
a
huge
leap
forward.
The
other
thing
I
just
want
to
be
on
the
finance
committee's
top
of
mind.
H
Every
local,
Downtown,
Development
Authority
is
also
capturing
this
millage
and
it
gets
captured
into
their
their
coffers,
and
so
I
encourage
Commissioners
to
reach
out
to
your
local
ddas
start
opening
up
conversations.
How
are
we
going
to
use
that
money
to
improve
mobility
and
transit
in
our
in
our
area
and
and
can
be
done
in
a
variety
of
ways
and
I
think
I
think
the
right
way
is
to
like,
let's
have
some
flexibility
as
long
as
it's
being
used
for
that
purpose.
H
But
it's
it's
millions
of
additional
dollars
that
can
be
brought
into
this
equation
to
help
connect
our
downtowns
improve
Mobility
partner
with
all
these
I
mean
these
agencies
that
are
doing
really
great
work
and
so
be
always
on
the
look
for
that.
I
have
one
Finance
chair.
N
Yeah
I'd
like
to
add
on
to
that
just
from
a
perspective,
Transportation
enhancements
are
not
just
buses
and
frequency.
It's
infrastructure
right.
It's
bus
stops
it's
sidewalks.
It's
curb
cuts,
it's
all
of
those
things.
So
there
are
people
who
would
be
able
to
use
a
fixed
Drive
bus
and
would
prefer
to
use
the
fixed
route
bust
and
use
Paratransit,
but
they
can't
get
there
because
the
infrastructure
either
where
they
live
or
where
they're
trying
to
go,
prevents
them
from
doing
that.
N
So,
when
you're
talking
to
the
ddas,
you
know
signal
improvements,
there's
a
whole
host
of
different
things
and
even
bus
stop
locations.
We
have
a
we're
going
to
put
on
RFP
out
later
this
year
to
examine
every
bus
stop
in
this
region,
including
the
ones
that
are
done
by
DDOT,
because
we
want
to
have
better
coordination
between
DDOT
and
smart,
because
people
don't
just
operate
in
Oakland
County.
They
operate
in
Wayne
and
Macomb.
And
what
have
you?
And
so
again
it's
all
of
those
things
that
make
a
public
transportation
system
work.
H
And
just
I
mean
the
two
other
points
is
then
I
mean
the
last
meeting
is
part
as
it
relates
to
the
smart
contract.
I
mean
you
see
on
this
map.
The
I
mean
proposed
like
new
routes
that
can
be
done,
extending
with
the
existing
capacity,
but
also
all
the
routes
that
also
exist
in
all
the
service
and
so
some
companion
document.
So
everyone
can
see
that
to
see
how
they
intersect
with
each
other,
because
I
I
was
talking
to
someone
they
said
like
well.
How
do
you
get
around
here,
I'm
like
well?
H
There
are
actually
other
routes
that
are
in
place
right
now
and
that
these
things
are
actually
attempting
to
connect
these
things
and
then
the
last
piece
and
I
know
I
mean
Hillary
and
I
have
talked
about
this,
and
since
we
have
our
CFO
in
the
house,
so
we're
transitioning
from
the
ocpta
that
collected
the
smart
millage
in
the
past
in
those
dollars.
I
know
that
there
is
an
existing
contract
in
place.
That
runs.
Does
the
dollars
tie
I
mean
where
I
mean?
Do
we
get
the
answer?
H
H
K
Right,
right
and
I
think
that
and
and
and
Jody
is
here
as
well,
so
she
can.
She
can
help
support
this
answer
because
the
Oakland
County
public
transit
authority,
you
know
we,
the
treasurer's
office,
transferred
the
funds
and
they
had
extended
the
contract
with
smart
through
June
of
this
year
in
part
to
ensure
that
while
the
millage
was
on
the
ballot,
there
is
at
least
a
contract
extended
in
case.
You
know,
you
know
that
they
were
prepared
for
the
outcome
and
I.
Think
that's
added
to
a
little
bit
of
confusion.
K
S
Sure
so
you
know
briefly,
if
you
think
about
the
last
Village,
that
was
that
that
was
levied
under
the
Old
Village.
You
know
that
was
levied
in
December
of
2021.
S
It
passed
through
the
Oakland
County
public
transit
authority.
You
know
and
smart
received
about
31
million
dollars
in
the
first.
You
know
the
first
few
months
of
the
first
half
of
the
year
of
2022
now
with
the
new
millage,
you
know,
which,
which
runs
through
the
county
budget
for
those
for
that
Baseline
level
of
services.
S
Again
at
about
31
million
dollars,
the
millage
was
levied
this
past
December
and
we've
structured
the
payments
with
them
so
that
they'll
receive
that
31
million
dollars
over
six
months
in
the
first
half
of
this
calendar
year.
So
it's
very
comparable.
You
know
from
a
cash
flow
perspective
for
that
Baseline
level
of
service.
K
M
Kyle
can
speak
to
it
as
well,
but
I
mean
the
only
thing
that
stays
in
the
ocpta
is
the
cost
for
administrative.
The
accounting
costs
the
legal
cost.
The
audit
cost.
That's,
basically
what
state
in
ocpta
and
those
costs
I
think
are
continuing,
because
we
have
to
get
through
the
fiscal
year
and
continue
expending,
though
so
I
think
that's
the
only
thing
that's
left
in
the
ocpta.
K
K
D
M
But
it's
not
it's
an
estimated
the
triple
under
a
hundred
thousand
okay.
H
K
H
The
authorities
are
on
the
way
we've
always
been
in
the
wintertime
okay.
Well,
that
was
because,
if
it
was
on
a
different
calendar,
because
then
we
we're
bringing
the
money
different
places
so
the
so
the
argument
that
dollars
from
the
last
millage,
basically
that
money
has
all
been
consumed.
There
is
nothing
that's
unused.
There
was
like
no
there's
no
Surplus
Revenue.
K
H
T
I
J
H
Well,
yeah,
we're
hoping
it
should
I
mean
so
statutorily.
They
aren't
actually
legally
required
unless
the
law
has
changed.
Remember
with
the
zoo
and
the
DIA,
there
were
some
community
ddas.
That
said,
I
want
to
use
this
for
something
else,
and
okay
and
Eileen
Cowell
led
the
charge
to
change,
because
oh
no,
no,
no
and
they
changed
the
law
so
that
money
had
to
go
to
those
things.
So.
H
Optimistic
because
these
are
Downtown
Development
authorities
and
mobility
and
connectivity
is
important
and
to
the
infrastructure
piece
and
with
ddas
are
using
dollars
to
improve
the
infrastructure.
So
a
bus
can
stop
or
a
a
commuter
bus
can
come
in
and
out
and
that's
great.
We
want
to
inventory
that
we
want
a
conversation
about
what
that
is,
and
we
want
to
monitor
it.
But
it's
it's
millions
of
dollars
of
additional
money,
that's
available
for
for
improving
Transit
across
this
County,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
it
goes
to
it.
So
that's
a
it's.
H
Right
but
but
I
mean
I'll,
be
honest,
I
bet
most
your
ddas,
don't
know
some
of
your
executive
directors
will
know
because
they
just
got
a
report.
They're
like
oh
there's,
I
mean
there's
0.95
more
money
in
this
fund
that
wasn't
here
last
year,
so
I
think
be
proactive,
I
think
Commissioners
reaching
out
to
your
communities
and
asking
them
like.
H
What's
the
plan-
and
they
might
say,
I,
don't
have
a
plan
and
I
think
that
there's
a
coordinating
aspect
to
this
working
with
our
smaller
providers,
smart
to
figure
out
like
what's
the
best
way
to
use
these
dollars,
because
they
could
also
use
those
dollars
to
supply,
match
and
pull
down.
Potentially
other
federal
and
state
Monies
to
build
up
robust.
K
H
H
What
staff
work
with
it's
probably
Equalization,
so
we'll
have
staff
work
with
Equalization
and
then
we'll
just
like
make
sure
the
treasury
says.
Yes,
that's
correct,
I.
S
A
A
L
Street
like
how
does
this
work
and
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
because
smart
does
a
lot
of
business
in
Pontiac
and
if
somehow,
our
mayor's
supposed
to
capture
something
or
downtown's
closed
caption,
it
needs
to
be
on
his
radar
and
I.
Just
want
to
know
like.
Is
it
an
option
for
them
or
no?
Because
I
don't
understand
the
DDA
thing,
anyways.
H
L
You
know,
even
if
the,
if
we
have
any
responsibility
in
city
of
Pontiac,
to
make
sure
these
bus
stops
are
infrastructure
is
together
to
start
the
other.
You
know,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
a
very
robust
conversation
with
them,
so
they
know
what
their
responsibilities
are
as
a
city,
be
it
if
you
know
I,
you
know,
because
we
in
new
leadership
and
I,
don't
know
if
that's
on
a
radar,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
to
Smart's
attention.
So
thank
you.
B
U
U
L
L
K
Think
the
capture
is
a
parallel
conversation,
but
I
think
just
building
on
what
you
said.
I
did
want
to
just
mention,
and
it
does.
It
does
kind
of
connect
with
what
Mr
Farrell
said
in
terms
of
the
bus
stops.
I
do
think
there
should
be
a
healthy
conversation
between
Pontiac
and
smart
in
terms
of
the
service,
because
I
think
that
what
what's
smart
is
thinking
through
is
you
know,
instead
of
smart
financing,
the
upkeep
of
whatever
what
could
be
hundreds
of
bus
stops
across
the
region?
K
B
A
On
the
screen,
commissioner,
Charles.
G
So
it
just
struck
my
interest
when
we
were
talking
about
Tiff
again
and
I.
Guess:
I
was
thinking
about
the
Brownfield
conversation
from
this
morning.
But
when
we
talk
about
those
capture
entities,
those
or
agencies
that
are
capturing,
we
said
DDA.
G
What
are
the
other
ones,
Corridor
Improvement.
So
actually
we
were
just
throwing
those
out
and
then
Tiff
would
that
would
be
a
capture
element
too,
and
then
each
of
us
have
tiffs
in
our
at
some
point.
We
come
to
these
Tiff
meetings
from
time
to
time.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
under
kind
of
to
what
commissioner
Pyle
was
saying.
All
these
various
capture
orgs
understand,
making
sure
I
understand
how
I
can
best
advocate
for
them
or
if
they
don't
know
certain
things,
how
I
can
make
sure
to
share
that.
G
But
I
don't
want
to
overwhelm
you
with
lists,
but
if
we
could
also
I
think
you're
the
chair
of
Tiff.
K
I
just
want
to
make
I
mean
I,
think
that
in
in
chairman,
Woodward
knows
this
better.
But
it
is
a
parallel
conversation
because
the
the
state
has
set
up
a
a
taxing
system
which
allows
these
local
authorities
to
collect
the
tax
money
in
order
to
do
something
within
their
economic
development
for
that
region,
and
so,
as
has
it
when
the
county
passes
a
new
millage,
it's
included
in
something
that's
captured,
and
so
we
take
no
right,
oh
by
the
way
you're
now
going
to
be
capturing
this
additional
money.
K
How
are
you
going
to
spend
it?
So
it
is
a
little
bit
of
a
separate
conversation
and
you
know
sometimes
you
could
say
it
frustrates
people
right,
because,
if
that,
if
they
weren't
capturing
money,
it
would
be
going
to
transit
services,
but
someone's
policy
makers
have
decided
from
an
economic
development
point
of
view.
It
makes
sense
to
have
this
capture
notion
right
and
you
know
so
that
it
is
a
bit
of
a
separate
conversation
that
we're
just
kind
of
taking
note
of
that.
K
G
You,
madam
chair
I,
would
just
also
say
like.
Perhaps
this
is
a
caucus
conversation
because
I
just
want
to
make
sure
there's
no
double
taxation,
if
it's
a
pie
of
a
hundred
percent,
how
much
of
it
out
of
the
out
of
a
homeowner
just
one
home.
You
know
how
many
different
lanes
are
they
being
I,
don't
want
to
say
assessed?
G
But
you
know
if
they're,
if
these
are
like
the
Tiff,
for
example,
or
special
assessments,
and
things
like
that,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear,
because
we
all
get
those
tax
bills
line
by
line
by
line.
Where
do
you
actually
see
that
as
a
homeowner
as
a
person,
you
don't?
Okay,
so
there's
a
millage
people
paid
into
the
millage,
it's
x
amount
of
dollars
that
millage
isn't
complete
without
then
donate.
G
H
J
A
A
lot
of
the
ddas
and
cias
are
in
areas
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
residential
right
right,
but
it
is
it
just
sets
that
money
aside,
I'll
use
Novi.
As
an
example,
we
created
a
corridor
Improvement
Authority
in
2017..
They
haven't
really
spent
much
of
the
money
they've
collected
over
500k
now
they're
collecting
all
the
transit
money
as
well.
So
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
city
now
and
say:
what
can
we
do
with
that
DDA
money
to
support
this
Transit
plan?
A
A
All
right
anybody
else
have
any
questions
comments
all
right,
we're
going
to
try
and
vote
on
all
of
the
elements
of
this
under
item
seven
at
the
same
time,
but
I
have
a
note
here
that
says:
I
mean
under
nine
no
way.
Oh
no!
Nine
is
the
other
thing.
Okay,
so
under
seven
we're
going
to
vote
for
everything
all
at
once,
staff
make
sure
I'm
doing
this.
B
A
Do
them
all
right,
we'll
do
a
yeah,
seven,
a
as
an
item
as
a
receiving
file,
so
I
need
a
motion.
Woodward
moves
moves
it
supported
by
long,
okay,
so
we're
voting
on
7A.
Thank
you
for
your
Indulgence
folks.
If
I
sound,
confusing
prompt
the
vote,
please,
yes,
so
thank
God.
We
have
staff
to
keep
us
straight.
J
Oh
Powell.
Q
B
B
A
Thank
you.
Try
refreshing
your
refreshing
at
the
top
decommissioners
all
right
next
up
so.
T
You
want
a
motion
to
approve
Item,
B,
wota
item
C,
OPC
and
item
D
Noda
and.
A
I
A
I'll
make
that
motion
okay,
so
commissioner
weipert
made
the
motion
for
B
through
e,
supported
by
commissioner
cavelle.
Okay,
all
right,
let's
prompt
the
vote.
Okay.
A
J
U
B
A
Okay.
Next
up,
we
have
item
7f
the
authorization
for
the
Local
transportation
reimbursement
program.
I
need
a
motion.
I'll
move
it
commissioner
wiper
supported
by
commissioner
Hoffman.
H
And
there's
there
was
an
amend,
there's
an
amendment
there
and
I
and
I
wasn't
married
to
any
language,
but
I
mean
as
the
as
it
was
described.
This
is
at
least
at
this
juncture,
a
one-year
effort
to
fully
reimburse
if
a
community
is
using
general
funds
outside
what
they
receive
in
Municipal
credits
and
other
things
to
support
transit
in
the
areas
that
are
outlined
so
they're,
not
in
the
smart
areas.
H
The
area
that
smart
head
service,
the
they're
not
funded
by
other
means,
but
use
general
fund
dollars
whatever
that
budgetary
loan
is
that
to
fully
reimburse
that
for
this
year,
I
mean
so
I,
so
I
I
just
was
recommending
ad
2023
interim
in
front
of
the
word
Local
transportation
reimbursement
program
so
right
when
we
communicated
that
it's
clear
it's
for
2023,
it's
interim
and
and
not
to
be
projected
as
something
like.
Oh,
this
will
be
here
in
24,
25
26,
because
the
idea
is
to
expand
service
to
be
working.
H
I
mean
concert
with
everybody.
So
if
I
got
married
to
that,
that's
pretty
simple,
so
changing
title
and
also
the
everything
changing
also
is
basically
in
the
now.
Therefore,
be
a
resolve
where
it
makes
sense
just
to
put
make
sure
it's.
H
I
A
Yeah,
okay,
let's
see
commissioner
wiper,
you
made
the
motion.
You
accept
that
Amendment
sure
commissioner
Hoffman
you're,
okay
with
it.
F
I
J
I
C
B
A
A
All
right
we're
we're
gonna,
assume
yeah.
A
I
G
A
I
B
A
Motion
carries
we
will
move
on
to
item
number
nine
Department
recommendations
here.
You
go
Jody
item
9A
the
interlocal
agreement
with
the
Oakland
County
Land
Bank
Authority
I
need
a
motion.
Commissioner
Powell
supported
by
commissioner
Hoffman.
All
right
welcome,
hi.
M
Good
afternoon
Jody
Weisler
Defoe
Chief
Deputy
Treasurer.
This
is
Chris
ammerman,
an
attorney
from
Corporation
Council,
that's
been
supporting
the
land
bank
and
some
other
things
in
the
treasurer's
office
and
then
Jill
Robinson
I
think
you've
been
introduced
to
at
least
once
she
is
officially
our
executive
director
of
the
open,
County
Land
Bank
Authority,
very
nice.
So
you
may
recall
that
when
we
created
the
land
bank
Authority
last
year,
chairman
Woodward
made
a
request,
slash
suggestion
that
we
do
a
service
agreement
between
the
Oakland
County,
Land,
Bank,
Authority
and
the
county.
M
The
intention
is
that
the
land
bank
Authority
would
be
supported
by
the
treasurer's
office.
There's
no
budget
request
in
this
request,
because
all
of
it
is
intended
to
be
inside
the
treasurer's
office
budget
as
far
as
any
cost
related
to
the
Oakland
County
Land
Bank,
for
the
time
being,
as
we
work
to
get
some
projects
and
then
some
money
in
the
door.
You
know
in
the
future,
but
for
now
and
in
this
agreement
there
is
no
dollar
to
be
exchanged.
A
A
A
Weipert,
this
is
the
it
development
report.
N
A
D
A
O
Excited
I
thought
it
was
like
an
hour
away
for
sure,
but
thank
you
all
Lori
Atkins.
Are
you
on
this
call?
Oh
great
Lori
I
want
to
introduce
Lori.
Can
you
tell
tell
the
Commissioners
your
official
title.
O
So
about
six
months
ago,
I
heard
that
the
money
through
covert
that
was
being
given
to
our
students
for
free
lunch
and
free
breakfast
was
was
stopped
and
that
was
in
June,
so
immediately.
I
am
a
major
foodie.
I've
had
food
insecurity.
In
my
life
I,
it
was
just
more
than
I
could
handle
and
I
started
reaching
out
to.
Commissioner,
what
can
we
do
put
together?
A
really
good
group
with
Oakland
intermediate
schools,
congresswoman
Haley,
Stevens
Trisha,
Teresa,
Rich
who's,
a
a
major
Community
activist,
an
attorney
and
Wanda
cook.
O
Robinson
Lori
was
there
and
it
was
just
a
great
team
and
we
started
brainstorming
on
what
we
could
do
well.
Haley
Stevens
is
committed
to
doing
something,
as
some
of
you
may
have
heard.
In
Governor
whitmer's
New
budget.
She
is
proposing
to
include
free
lunch,
free
breakfast
free
lunches
for
schools.
O
However,
all
that's
going
to
take
some
time
and
in
the
meantime,
our
kids
haven't
had
free
lunch
since
September,
and
the
way
it
works
is
that
they're
charged
a
fee
for
the
reduced
lunch,
and
if
they
don't
have
it,
they
build
a
debt
to
the
school.
The
school
pays
it.
So
over
these
months
there
has
been
debt
accrued
for
the
schools.
Wanda
cook
Robinson
was
very
effective.
O
She
went
and
talked
to
the
super
superintendents
they've
agreed
to
put
in
some
money
to
tide
us
over
until
there
is
some
either
federal
or
state
action,
and
so
I
am
looking
at
taking
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
our
special
projects
fund
to
give
it
over
to
Oakland
intermediate
schools
to
manage
to
pay
down
the
debt
to
get
kids
fed.
It'll
it'll
take
us
through
the
end
of
the
year
with
the
matching
funds
from
the
superintendents
and
Lori.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that.
P
In
our
County
that
call
what
that
means
is
that
their
income
Falls
between
130
and
185
percent
over
the
poverty
level,
so
these
kids
have
really
been
struggling,
especially
this
year,
paying
that
30
copay
for
lunch
and
40
Cent
co-pay
for
breakfast.
So
you
know,
there's
just
competing
priorities
at
home
with
the
home
budgets
and
kids
are
just
coming
to
school,
with
no
money
and
no
lunch,
and
we
really
want
to
help
these
kids
to
reduce
the
stigma
and
then
cover
that
cost
for
them.
This
year,.
O
And
just
the
idea
of
a
kid
going
to
school,
but
he's
worried
about
that
money
and
he's
building
debt.
It's
very
stressful
and
we
have
such
a
focus
on
kids
need
to
have
food
in
their
stomachs
to
learn.
Well,
so
that's
what
this
is
about
and
I'm
hoping
to
engage
Andrea
Powers,
who
has
a
lot
of
power
in
getting
money
moving
quicker
so
that
maybe
this
money
can
be
distributed
by
March
and
and
we
can
start
feeding
these
kids
by
March,
so
I
need
your
approval
to
go
forward.
Are
there
any
questions.
G
Thank
you,
commissioner,
gershenson,
for
bringing
this
to
light
and
as
someone
who
also
had
to
carry
around
a
little
free
and
reduced
lunch
card
as
a
kid,
for
whatever
reason,
the
stigma
of
of
only
getting
that
PB
J.
You
know
if
you
didn't
have
any
money
and
I
think
that
you
guys
are
looking
to
kind
of
Rectify
that
absolutely.
K
G
O
P
H
I
mean
along
this
and
I
mean
some
folks
remember
that
we
launched
the
better
with
breakfast
initiative
and
Lori
and
her
team
and
and
everybody
a
huge
success
and
I
was
actually
talking
to
some
folks
in
the
governor's
I
mean
office
and
the
governor's
team
that
it
it
helped
fuel
the
call
for,
like
let's
I,
mean
wipe
out
pain
like
food.
It
I
mean
kids
going
to
school,
should
be
able
to
eat
around.
H
This
whole
notion
that
on
high
stakes
test
days,
we
do
everything
possible
to
put
food
in
their
belly
because
they
perform
better
right,
they're,
more
focused.
So
what
if
we
create
that
experience
every
day
that
they're
at
school
I
mean
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense?
Okay,
so
this
is
I
mean
this
is
really
important.
I
think
Phil
is
a
a
gap
between
what
hopefully
can
be
approved
in
the
next
fiscal
years
budget
for
for
those
5
000
right
now
that
are
in
that
reduced
lunch
space.
H
P
H
H
Sounds
good
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
mean
I'm
I'll
talk
to
the
sponsor.
There
might
be
another
pot
of
money
that
should
come
out
versus
this
one,
but
the
concept
is
good.
With.
O
L
I
also
want
to
bring
light
that
I
think
this
is
a
good
that
we're
our.
We
have
this
on
our
radar,
because
we
know
that
there
will
be
a
round
of
cuts
and
food
stamps,
so
that's
just
a
whole
nother
area
that
kids
are
going
to
be
impacted
or
or
affected
by
this.
So
I
think
that
that's
good
that
we
have
this
on
our
radar
to
help
the
kids,
at
least
with
the
school,
because
I
think
it's
gone
depending
on
how
the
outcome
come.
O
O
A
D
A
Your
economic
level
wasn't
so
you're,
not
identifying
those
poor
kids.
You
know
that
have
all
the
other
issues
in
their
lives,
at
least
they
they
don't
have
to
be
identified
at
school
as
somebody
who's
poor
and
only
gets
the
cheese
sandwich.
That
really
bothers
me
that
that
we
still
have
programs
like
that
in
2023.
We
should
be
feeding
our
children.
You
know
the
schools
in
other
countries,
they
feed
them
breakfast
and
lunch
and
they're
and
they're
nice
looking
lunches.
You
know
so
I
could
go
on
about
this
for
days.
A
H
So
we
had
a
three-year
pilot
put
in
place
and
Laurie
was
incredibly
helpful
to
I
mean
to
that
effort.
Huge
success,
a
tremendous
amount
of
data,
and
what
happens
is
that
when
you
actually
saw
utilization-
and
there
were
some
areas,
we
saw
a
utilization
shoot
off
the
charts.
Those
school
districts
actually
brought
in
a
higher
reimbursement
rate.
That
I
mean
there's
some
rules,
change
I
understand
the
state
level
that
gives
them
a
little
flexibility
how
to
use
that
Revenue.
So
when
we
say
it's
it
stopped,
there
were
some
school
districts
that
had
Universal
qualification.
H
That's
definitely
going
on
I
know
of
some
school
districts
that
are
you
they
said.
Like
you
know,
this
was
hugely
successful,
we'll
figure
it
out
in
our
budgets.
They
also
got
a
huge
amount
of
arpa
dollars
that
can't
are
eligible
to
be
used
for
these
types
of
things
and
then
covet
hit
and
the
president
basically
said
everyone's
going
to
have
free
both
presidents
right,
everyone
has
free,
I,
mean
breakfast
and
lunch
and
that
that's
the
program
thing
that
just
ended,
and
so
now
we're
kind
of
making
this
window
of
time
to
figure
out.
H
What
do
we
do?
Next,
I
mean
the
governor's
recommendation
is
in
in
her
budget
and
when
you
look
at
the
total
cost
Statewide,
it's
not
that
much
and
they're
using
a
lot
of
Oakland
County's
data
and
extrapolating
across
the
state
to
figure
out
what
it
would
cost.
It's
not
that
much
money
and
I'm
very
optimistic
that
this
legislature
is
going
to
end.
This
Governor
is
going
to
get
that
done
this
year
when
she
presents
her
budget
and
adopted
October
one
so
I,
I,
guess
I'm
keeping
my
fingers
crossed
it's
coming
back.
P
Because
we've
lived
to
Universal
meals
with
under
under
the
covert
regulations,
but
many
districts
continue
to
do
better.
With
breakfast
Hazel
Park
schools,
Walled
Lake,
West
Bloomfield,
a
lamphere
clownsville
Southfield
I
mean
they
started
with
better
with
breakfast.
They
implemented
it.
They
had
traction
going
and
they
had
staffed
yeah.
H
That's
great
when
we
started
the
question
yeah,
the
question
was
and
I
remember
it
was
being
posed
to,
and
I
didn't
have
an
answer
at
the
time.
This
is
okay,
you're
gonna
do
this
for
three
years
and
then
what
and
My
Hope
was
that
it
would
be
so
incredibly
successful
people
would
say
you
know
it's
worth
the
small
investment
we
bought,
the
equipments,
the
carts.
H
We
provided,
the
technical
assistance,
so
they
didn't
have
to
they
didn't
have
to
pay
for
any
of
that
we
paid
for
that,
and
all
it
is,
is
the
small
gap
between
but
I
think
a
lot
of
these
school
districts
also
saw
in
their
budget
because
they're
they
got
their
utilization
off
their
reimbursement
rates
got
up,
so
they
actually
brought
in
more
money
to
actually
support
their
food
system
overall,
and
that's
how
they're
able
to
help
continue
the
support
in
this
program.
So
it's
I
was
hopeful.
H
This
was
going
to
happen
and
I'm
glad
that
it
has
and
because
why
wouldn't
you
let
this
happen,
I
mean
we
had
almost
like
proof
of
concept.
Everyone
loves
it.
Let's
keep
going,
and
so
it's
that's
exactly
but
be
able
to
have
ongoing
funding
so
that
we
can
do
this
in
every
school
district
across
the
state.
It's
huge
and
Lori.
Just
let
me
give
a
shout
out
to
Lori,
because
Lori
I
mean
do
you
still
chair
the
Statewide
effort.
You
are
the
leader
of
food
nutrition
programs
for
the
state.
Aren't
you.
O
A
Okay
on
to
item
number
10
public
health
and
safety
committee
recommendations,
starting
with
item
10A,
which
is
positions,
creation.
R
Has
historically
used
jail
trustees
to
help
with
cleaning
but
because
of
the
pandemic
that
that
had
to
stop
so
then
they
kind
of
went
it
through
if
I
understand
right,
like
a
short-term
contract
with
a
company
and
now
what
they'd
like
to
do,
though,
is
bring
these
staff
in-house
so
right
they
want
nine
staff
to
be
coming
in
to
then
do
the
cleaning
which
I
think
everyone
voted
yes
on
it
yesterday
in
committee,
and
just
since
I'm
talking
about
it
and
you're
still
looking
at
me,
I
think
it's
awesome
because
paying
people
20
cents
an
hour
in
jail
to
clean
stuff,
but
paying
people
living
wages
to
clean
stuff
sounds
way
more
in
line
with
our
values
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
now.
H
They
provide
other
County
Services
and
there
was
a
stop
Gap
to
because
turns
out
to
Fido
and
his
little
kitty
needs
to
have
their
cages
cleaned
and
all
the
I
mean
the
stuff
that
comes
with
it,
and
that
we
have
to
do
that
and
I
mean
and
we
and
we
want
to
have
a
high
bar
and
it
this
was
not
in
their
business
model
and
the
department
looked
for
other
options
and
there's
a
really
not
a
doggy
Kitty
cleaning
service
out
there,
but
maybe
there's
a
market,
and
so
this
was
and
I
think
it
was
mutually
agreeable
that
the
vendor,
just
like
yeah,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
keep
the
level
of
service
at
what
what
the
animal
control
facility
wants
it
to
be
and
what
it
should
be.
H
And
so
this
is
the
the
hope.
Is
that
we'll
be
able
to
bring
on
additional
staff
at
the
same
amount
of
money
that
the
contract
was,
which
is
I
would
argue,
is
reverse
privatization.
I
was
thinking
so
I
I,
actually
generally
very
supportive
of
the,
but
it
is
going
to
be
a
long-term
cost.
H
After
after
this
contract
expired,
we
used
arpa
related
dollars
to
fund
it
up
for
a
series
a
period
of
time,
but
at
some
point
we're
gonna
have
to
come
up
with
the
rev,
the
500
plus
thousand
dollars
that
this
costs
and
in
the
conversation
and
committee
also
dealt
with
maybe
addressing
raising
increasing
the
census
of
dog
licenses.
Like
so
I
mean
if
you
have
a
dog
older
than
four
months,
you
have
to
have
a
dog
license
per
state
law.
H
If
the
county
is
the
provides
animal
control
services
for
the
jurisdiction,
it
keeps
it
if
it.
If
your
city
provides
those
service
separately,
the
city
keeps
it,
but
maybe
looking
at
adjusting
and
possibly
raising
those
fees
to
offset
this
cost
to
be
able
to
take
care
of
the
animals
that
find
themselves
into
the
shelter.
But
that's
so
for
the
budget
committee.
All
of
you
I
think
it's
something.
That's
really.
It
seriously
needs
to
be
looked
at
on
deck
for
when
you
start
doing
the
budget
review
process.
So.
A
Just
to
clarify
before
covet
hit
before
arpa
dollars,
we
were
basically
using
trustees.
Inmates
which
to
us
was
free
right
in
air,
quotes
free.
H
H
A
H
A
Too,
he'd
have
been
here
all
day
today,
so
anyway,
let's
if
nobody
else
hasn't.
Oh
commissioner
Ramen.
C
Yeah.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
One
quick
question
is
I
appreciate
that
it's
budget
neutral
for
the
time
being,
but
I
guess.
My
one
question
is
in
terms
of
determining
that
it's
going
to
take
10
full-time
staff,
members,
I
I,
don't
know
it's
in
all
in
full
disclosure,
I
haven't
been
there,
so
I,
don't
know
exactly
how
big
a
scale
we're
talking,
but
obviously
you
know
10
full-time
40
hours
a
week
you
know
is
it?
Is
there
I
guess?
C
H
Have
to
imagine
that
it's
a
little
bit
based
on
what
the
contract
was,
so
we
probably
had
some
FTE
amount
in
that
existing
contract
and
we're
trying
to
replace
it
or
whatever
the
FTE
was
it
wasn't
enough
to
be
able
to
do
what
need
to
be
done
or
clean
on
the
schedule
that
was
faster,
but
I
know
that
Mr
I
mean
Gatton
can
share
that
information,
but
I
think
it's
everyone's
it.
The
fact
that
this
fits
within
the
same
amount
of
money
that
we
were
basically
paying
a
vendor
to
do
I
mean
I.
H
Think
that's
the
justification
of
like
why
it
makes
sense
we
think,
but
we
need
to
I
mean
we
still
need
a
long
I
mean
it's
a
budget
whole.
It's
a
budget
issue
in
the
future
when
the
the
designated
money
for
it
no
longer
there
and
I
I
think
frankly,
there
are
ways
to
recover
it
appropriately
of
the
fees
that
support
an
animal
control
system
and.
A
This
these
salaries,
that
these
people
are
going
to
get
they
fall
under
the
county
salary,
so
they
will
get
that
15
minimum
wage.
Is
that
correct?
Absolutely.
R
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
liked
what
you
were
saying
chair
about
the
you
know:
we've
been
relying
on
Trustees
for
some
time
and
that's
been
something
that's
been
like
normal
in
our
culture
here
in
local
government,
but
that
shift
brought
on
in
part
by
covet
in
this
the
sheriff
said
yesterday:
By
changes
in
like
court
rules
and
all
this
sort
of
stuff
about
who
goes
to
jail
and
why
one
is
like
just
the
changing
nature
of
justice
and
so
I
think
from
our
group
that
culture
shift
is
very
positive
but
part
of
the
consequences.
R
I
T
A
So,
let's
prompt
the
vote.
B
B
B
V
Hi
good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
gay
up
here,
Sheriff
fiscal
officer
and
I-
have
Captain
Vita
from
the
jail
and
I
believe
the
undersheriff
is
on.
He
had
a
one
o'clock
commitment,
but
I
think
he
might
be
clear
now,
so
he's
he's
virtual
okay.
So
basically
I'll
give
you
a
little
overview
of
this.
We
were
at
committee
yesterday,
so
the
jail
food
services
contract
was
up
for
expiration,
so
we
sent
an
RFP
out
in
September
of
2022,
so
it's
been
a
long
laborious
process
and
we're.
V
Finally,
hopefully
at
the
end,
we're
here
to
ask
you
for
an
additional
appropriation
to
cover
the
increased
cost
in
food
and
Staffing.
So
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
external
factors.
Everybody
has
experienced
increases
in
food
costs
and
you
know
obviously,
staffing
issues
continue
to
plague
us
after
the
pandemic.
So
the
current
year
cost
per
meal
that
we
have
is
is
just
under
82
cents,
a
meal
and
the
new
proposal
for
year
one
is
up
to
1.26
per
meal.
V
Obviously,
we've
learned
a
lot
through
the
pandemic
and,
as
the
previous
item
stated,
that
we
don't
have
the
inmate
workers
that
we
used
to.
So
our
former
business
model
was
based
on
having
trustee
workers
in
the
kitchen
at
all
times,
to
serve
all
meals
since
the
pandemic,
since
the
pandemic
and
throughout
the
pandemic,
we've
had
a
fluctuating
number
of
people
that
have
been
able
to
help.
V
So
what
we
had
them
do
is
scenario
based
pricing
to
say,
if
we
had,
you
know
between
75
and
100
inmates,
or
if
we
had
50
inmates
or
whatever,
that
the
cost
would
fluctuate.
So
if
we
couldn't
provide
the
required
number
of
inmates
that
are
cost
per
meal
would
go
up,
but
then
we
also
included
a
contingency
in
there.
V
V
So,
like
I
said
post
pandemic,
we
had
we
had
to
add
contingency
plans
in
that
we
didn't
really
have
in
place
before,
because
nobody
had
ever
experienced
anything
like
that
and
we
never
really
had
a
disruption
in
service
and
then
religious
meals
are
another
topic
that
we
had
to
make
sure
was
in
this
new
agreement.
It
wasn't
I
would
say
it
probably
wasn't
really
salad
in
the
last
agreement,
but
there's
been
some
legislation
and
some
litigation
since
that
time,
and
so
we
have
to
make
sure
that
those
are
Rock
Solid.
V
So
we
included
that
in
this,
as
you
stated,
with
inmate
workers,
we
use
them
for
Food
Services.
We
used
to
use
them
for
laundry
and
then
we
had
to
shut
that
down
during
the
pandemic.
So
we
don't
have
enough
for
that.
So
we're
Contracting
that
out
using
arpa
dollars
with
a
local
dry,
cleaner
jail,
cleaning,
we're
using
the
contracted
Services
service
right
now
that
the
animal
shelter
was
using
so
the
county-wide
contract.
We
also
provide
we
used
to
provide
services
for
Parks.
V
We
used
to
do
Children's,
Village
laundry
and
then
we
used
to
clean
the
animal
shelter.
So
there's
a
lot
of
gaps
and
services
that
we've
run
into
after
after
the
pandemic,
so
the
Sheriff's
Office
worked
with
the
county
executive's
office
throughout
the
RFP
process.
The
evaluation
team
consisted
of
Captain
Vita,
another
lieutenant
at
the
jail
two
people
from
the
administrative
Services
team
at
the
Sheriff's
Office,
our
financial
analyst
from
fiscal
services
and
then
our
purchaser
or
our
buyer
from
purchasing.
V
So
it
was
a
multi
multi-department
evaluation
team,
so
we're
here
today
to
ask
for
the
additional
appropriation
because
we
have
to
have.
We
can't
continue
final
negotiations
on
the
contract
until
we
get
approval
from
the
board.
The
lowest
qualified
bidder
in
this
process
was
Aramark,
which
is
our
seller
current
vendor.
Our
current
budget
is
1.3
million.
The
amendment
that
we're
requesting
over
the
next
three
years
is
an
additional
1.5
million.
A
H
If
I
can
put
any
some
context,
particularly
for
newer
members,
I
mean
this
has
been
a
subject
of
Interest.
The
reason
why
this
is
before
us
in
this
way
in
part
is
because
this
was
one
of
these
contracts
that
was
pulled
off
of
the
approval
process
in
our
budget
process.
H
It's
a
I
mean
this
food
service
contract
has
had
a
lot
of
discussion
myself.
I
mean
I
believe
that
the
majority
caucus
when
this
last
was
up
I
mean
an
opposed
I
mean
I
mean
a
pose
for
a
variety
of
reasons
that
I
don't
need
to
go
in
right.
Now
we
go
through.
H
We
go
through
this
process
and
I
think
our
the
team
does
a
very
good
job,
but
I
think
it
also
brings
to
attention
in
that
process
lifted
up
not
while
the
covid
certainly
created
exacerbated
some
of
the
labor
challenges
and
requirements
necessary
to
staff
it.
There
were
challenges
before
that.
The
reality
is
is
finding
individuals
who
are
willing
to
work
at
I
mean
for
these
wages.
H
H
Our
Sheriff
deputies
had
to
be
drawn
off
of
their
other
jobs,
arguably
probably
filled
with
other
people
to
do
those
jobs,
probably
over
over
time
in
the
county,
eating
that
cost
and
I'm
a
big
believer
that
if
this
is
going
to
be
a
privatized
service
that
we
shouldn't
have
to
eat
those
costs,
if
the
vendor
doesn't
doesn't
provide
at
what
the
contractual
Arrangement
is
supposed
to
be
and
I
believe
that
there
is
I
mean
I,
think
there's
notation,
but
the
contract
is
supposed
to
have
a
90.
H
Is
it
ninety
ninety
dollars
per
hour
per
hour
per
employee
that
if
a
sheriff's
staff
has
to
be
put
in
to
this
role,
to
fill
it
to
cover
that?
And
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
the
main
part
of
that
contract?
The
other
thing
I
mean
I
I,
think
it
was
also
raised.
I
mean
that
the
Staffing
model
is
not
appropriate,
was
not
appropriate
to
Super
to
provide
the
appropriate
supervision
and
because
I
mean
the
no-show
issues
and
so
I
think
it's
really
important.
H
That
I
mean
we
I
mean,
as
the
board
is
the
fiduciary
oversight,
but
we
also
build
in
a
mechanism
to
do
performance,
audience
evaluation
and
not
just
on
this
particular
contract
but
I
think
any
of
these
contracts
of
this
scale
and
this
size
we
do
auditing
now
and
as
the
boy
we're
tasked
to
do
all
the
auditing,
but
I
mean
we,
don't
always
necessarily
do
a
performance
audit
to
make
certain
that
all
the
things
we're
saying
like
contractor
agrees
to
do,
X,
Y
and
Z
and
I
mean.
H
Are
we
tracking
making
sure
that
I
mean
the
food
that
we
are
purchasing
at
in
this?
The
meal
cost
like
the
54
increase?
Certainly,
food
has
gone
up,
is
held
to
that.
It's
not
we're
not
buying
this
and
then
getting
something
of
lower
quality
or
a
less
amount,
even
if
it's
still
satisfies
all
statutory
State
nutritional
requirements.
H
So
as
a
result
of
all
of
that
and
then
and
I
guess,
I
don't
want
to
I'm
about
to
say.
I
should
not
anyway
reflect
that
I
have
a
question.
The
Integrity
of
the
bid
process,
but
I
I
have
looked
at
I
mean.
Basically,
there
were
three
vendors
that
applied
two,
that
Rose
to
the
top
about
20
percent
weighted
towards
price
70
on
this
Tech,
knowing
the
technical
evaluation,
one
vendor
scored
better
in
the
technical
side,
one
vendors
scored
better
on
the
the
price
size.
H
Both
those
vendors
were
brought
in
and
asked
I
mean
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
their
option
and
ultimately
was
asked
for
a
best
or
final
offer
to
come
back
and
the
Hope
was
to
help
bring
this
cost
down.
Because
another
reason
we're
before
here
is
because
this
is
1.5
million
dollars.
H
Over
of
what
like
what
I
mean,
what
we
had
approved
in
the
budget
to
spend
on
these
types
of
services,
and
so
I
mean
I'm,
sharpening
the
pencil
and
within
and
making
sure
that
we
have
greater
scrutiny
on
on
these
to
control
costs.
Realizing
we
live
in
a
time,
but
from
a
budgetary
perspective
and
all
of
you
and
the
finance
committee
that
I
mean,
is
it
just
going
to
be
the
food
contract
or
are
we
going
to
see
this
type
of
I
mean
significant
hike
above
what
we
planned
on
a
host
of
other
things?
H
How
does
that
impact
the
budget
budget
planning
going
forward
working
with
our
CFO?
These
are.
This
is
an
ongoing
conversation
so
with
well,
but
in
so
in
that
bid
process
it
comes
back.
H
I
mean
everyone
gave
their
their
final
offer
and
I
was
communicating.
The
prices
didn't
really
change,
I
mean.
If
you
read
it
there
I
mean
there
were
some
price
differences,
some
people,
they
decreased
their
inflationary
costs
over
time,
but
we
didn't
have
really
I
mean
to
my
satisfaction
and
Apple's
Apple
comparison.
We
had
seven
employees
under
the
Aramark
contract
12
with
a
competitor
bid,
I
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
we
didn't
ask
like
well,
can
you
give
us
the
price
at
seven
people?
So
it's
an
Apple's
Apple
comparison.
H
We
also
in
terms
of
the
meals,
two
hot
meals,
one
cold.
Is
that
what
the
one
right
and
I
believe
the
other
bid
had
three
hot
meals
in
it,
and
so
that's
going
to
impact
costs,
and
so,
if
we
really
to
get
a
true
sense
of
what
this
costs
and
that's,
why
you
go
through
a
competitively
bid
process
and
I
mean
and
all
the
people
involved,
and
this
is
something
we
have
to
do
and
we
want
quality
meals
and
nothing
will
disrupt
a
jail.
H
Then
bad
food
and
no
food
or
crappy
food,
and
it
makes
it
unsafe
for
our
incredible
staff-
that's
working
there
as
well.
So
we
have
to
do
this,
but
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
I
mean
because
of
the
past
and
because
I
mean
the
scrutiny
that
I
think
that
we've
got
to
build
in
a
system
to
make
sure
that
all
parties
are
living
up
to
their
peace
and
so
I
would.
If
we
move,
there's
two
things.
H
I
would
say
if
we
move
forward
with
this,
I
mean
looking
at
a
shorter
approved
contract
with
multiple
year
extensions
and
then
approving
only
the
amount
for
that
shorter
distance
and
using
that
opportunity
to
come
back
to
make
certain.
Are
we
hitting
the
performance
metrics
necessary
to
do
this?
Also
I
mean
the
world
is
changing
very
much
and
so
inflation's
what
it
is
now
I'm
hopeful
I
mean
listening
to
the
fed
and
other
things
that
inflation
growth
will
drop
considerably
and
I
would
prefer
not
to
pay
for
inflation
growth.
H
That's
in
excess
of
what
reality
is
at
the
given
moment.
I
do
realize,
and
I
do
want
to
think
of
the
incumbent
provider
that
the
82
cents
and
then
that
rate
that
was
negotiated
way
back.
When
was
that
I
mean
I
mean
a
lot
of
negotiated
efforts
to
do
that
to
keep
costs
down
and
so
I
I
mean
again
I'm
recognizing
that
costs
are
going
to
go
up.
H
That's
a
big
leap,
certainly
my
and
but
it's
a
sign
of
the
times
and
and
we
need
vendors,
there's
not
a
huge
number
in
the
space,
but
we
need
to
be
able
to
be
mindful
of
that,
and
so
we
can
talk
about
the
exist.
I
mean
whether
it's
a
one-year
contract
with
four-year
extensions
or
two-year
contract
with
three
one-year
extensions
and
then
appropriating
the
the
dollars
that
come
with.
It
is
the
first
thing
to
put
out
there
and
the
second
is
I.
H
I
mean
I,
know
that
we're
looking
for
what
I
mean
what
would
be
in
the
contract,
but
is
it
possible
to
have
a
contract?
We
have
a
scope
of
work,
but
is
it
possible
to
have
the
contract
prior
at
least
prior
to
the
board
meeting,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
we
see
I
mean
the
stuff
that
we
say
is
going
to
be
in
there
or
at
least
expressly
say
these
following
things
must
be
in
the
contract
and
we
can
enumerate
those
I
guess
it
can
go
that
way
too.
A
Okay,
Mr
guzzy's
here.
Can
he
answer
that
for
us.
F
E
D
F
W
Hi
everybody
Nicole
Taven.
If
you
don't
know
me,
we
most
certainly
can
can
draft
a
contract
like
that,
with
one
caveat,
I
will
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
RFP
to
make
sure
that
the
language
allows
for
that
without
substantially
changing
what
went
out
on
the
RFP.
Is
it
because,
if,
if
so,
you
know
if
prices
were
bid
out
for
a
three-year
term,
instead
of
just
please
bid
out
prices
annually,
that
might
affect
things.
H
Right
now,
there's
no
I
mean
no
ability
unless
we
appropriate
more
monies
for
this
contract.
That's
when
I
mean
I,
think
it's
I
mean
again,
I
mean
I,
think
this
I
mean
the
incumbent
provider
came
in
I
mean
and
I
and
and
I
can
have
faith
for
the
people
who
did
the
evaluation?
I
I
raised
some
of
those
other
issues
because
it's
like
it,
it
I
mean
I
asked
our
staff
to
like
do,
I
mean
I,
want
to
see
apples
to
Apple
comparison,
I
mean
and
there's
just
a
lot
of
gray
there
and
I.
H
Just
think
that
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
I
mean
to
do
that.
But
just
given
history
and
challenge
I
want
to
make
I
mean
I
think
it's
important
that
we
make
certain
and
I
say
history
and
challenges.
It's
not
an
Aramark
problem.
It's
just
like
this
is
very
I.
Think
it's
very
difficult
to
find
employees
that
can
reliably
be
there
and
be
trained
in
this
economy.
H
F
H
Which
is
why
I
appropriate
for
a
lower
amount
of
front
term,
and
then
we
can
continue
the
conversation,
but
I
mean
the
reality.
Is
that
we
need
to
provide
the
service
and
we
have
an
incumbent
provider.
That's
been
providing
for
a
very
long
time
and
I
mean
and
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
them,
but
I
think
we've
on
the
performance,
auditing
process
and
I.
Think
just
given
the
sizable
increase
over
a
budget.
H
I
mean
it
just
it
just
happens
to
be
this,
but
I
think
frankly,
I
would
look
at
every
contract
over
a
certain
amount
that
we
should
probably
try
and
be
built
in
a
system
to
do
those
performant
evaluations
to
make
certain
that,
but
we're
getting
what
we
are
supposed
to
be
getting
and
what
we're
paying
for
and
instead
of
just
whether
it's
a
dollar
sends
invoice
transaction.
G
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
all
of
the
hard
work
that
looks
like
it
went
on
behind
the
scenes.
I
I
was
going
to
start
off
by
saying
you
lost
me
at
Aramark
and.
G
But
I
would
like
to
know
that
the
county
executive,
the
sheriff,
perhaps
even
our
chair,
our
having
periodic
meals
over
there
and
unannounced
like
no
one-
needs
to
know
that
they're
planning
to
eat
that
day,
because
historically
Aramark
has
just
been
not
really
good
in
the
media
as
far
as
how
they
are
servicing
jails.
Coast
to
Coast,
so
I'm
I'm
I
prefer
a
whole
nother
vendor.
G
Just
I,
wouldn't
even
mind
if
it
costs
more
because
you
know
inmates
are
suing
municipalities
for
the
food
that
they
are
receiving
and
I
would
hate
to
see
us
in
that.
In
that
way,
so
nothing
better
than
checks
and
balances
is
to
actually
eat
the
food
school
board.
Members
eat
that
Elementary
School
food
and
make
sure
that
it's
something
you
would
eat
or
serve
to
your
family
and
I
do
feel
I
appreciate
this
scope
of
work.
G
You
know
where
it
talks
about
how
to
prepare
and
plan
and
document
these
meals,
where
these
meals
have
to
come
from
how
they
have
to
be
served.
Temperature
wise,
the
trays
that
they're
being
served
on
we
haven't,
talked
about
Greening,
the
Jails
of
any
in
any
way.
So
all
of
these
things
are
definitely
pertinent
to
me.
So
I
just
thought.
G
Why
not
mention
it
now,
but
yeah
the
vendor
themselves,
I'm,
not
motivated
by
cost
I
know
it's
not
my
money
but
I'm,
not
motivated
by
cost
I'm
motivated
by
efficiency
and
proper
service,
just
because
you're
in
jail.
Maybe
you
don't
get
the
vegan
meal,
but
you
certainly
should
be
able
to
eat
food.
That's
proper
for
humans.
L
V
Just
for
context,
if
I
may
so
air
marks
price
is
the
increase
would
be
1.5
over
the
next
three
years
and
as
we
mentioned
in
committee
yesterday,
the
next
vendor
it
was
3.8
million.
So
there
was
a
significant
cost
increase
and
if
I
could
just
clarify
so
Aramark
currently
has
seven
employees,
but
they
propose
nine.
H
So
so
I
mean,
but
you
guys
will
understand,
is
like
okay.
So
that's
three
more
people
that's
baked
into
those
prices
right
sure,
so
it
is
I
mean
I.
Guess
like
what
is
the
number
that
we
need
to
have
at
the
jail
and
if
it's
nine,
we
should
be
telling
the
vendors
nine
people
now
if
a
vendor
says
there's
no
way
I'm
gonna.
Do
that
with
just
nine
people,
that's
a
different
story,
but
it
is
a
the
lack
of
an
apple
to
Apple
comparison.
Well,.
V
V
We
don't
have
that
with
the
fluctuations
now
and
then
just
for
commissioner
Smith
Charles
I
can
only
speak
to
mine.
You
know.
Obviously
every
big
Corporation
is
going
to
have
issues.
There's
I,
don't
think
there's
any
any
vendor
of
ours.
That
probably,
if
we
look
for
something
we
could
find
something.
V
But
with
my
experience
are
the
people
that
have
been
assigned
to
our
contract.
I
mean
it's
not
Flawless,
but
the
district
manager
anytime
that
we've
had
an
issue.
My
team
has
been
able
to
make
a
call
and
if
they're
not
here
today,
they're
there
within
a
couple
of
days
and
we're
having
a
sit
down
and
we
are
correcting
any
situation-
that's
happened,
so
I
can
only
speak
to
what's
happening
in
the
Oakland
County
Jail
and
not
for
other.
You
know
their
service
to
other
other
jails.
R
I
well,
I
have
a
question:
do
you
know
the
pay
floor
for
the
seven
to
nine
or
12
employees
was
that
you.
R
V
The
RFP
proposals-
Aramark
pay
scale,
was
starting
at
17
an
hour
with
the
expectation
that
all
employees
would
be
paid
18
to
22
at
some
Plus
benefits,
and
then
that
was
for
regular
employees.
They
did
not
provide
a
manager,
pay
rate
that
I'm
aware
of
so
the
other
vendor
it.
They
didn't
have
a
regular
rate.
They
had
supervisors
at
20
to
21
an
hour
in
managers
at
35
to
38,
so
again
that
Apple's
Apple
because
they
didn't
have
their
basic
workers.
So.
V
But
at
a
minimum
that
seems
to
be
what
is
proposed,
the
17
an
hour
for
a
general
worker.
Thank
you.
R
We
can
no
longer
rely
on
trustees
to
be
the
subsidized
staff
to
do
this,
work,
which
is
part
of
why
the
cost
increase
is
happening,
which
is
a
culture
shift
that
we
are
valuing
and
appreciating
and
so
to
what
you
said,
commissioner
Charles
the
checks
and
balances
being
there
and
being
willing
to
pay
more
for
that
quality
and
I
mentioned
this
yesterday,
but
just
to
say
it
again
did
right
a
big
Corporation,
as
was
mentioned
or
a
for-profit
entity,
or
something
that
is
not
from
Oakland
County
or
from
this
state
is
inherently
seeking
profit
which,
from
a
government
perspective
and
us
as
the
people
that
are
supposed
to
control
the
money
and
be
judicious
about
it.
R
We
are
helping
another
company
in
another
place,
gain
wealth
off
of
over
a
thousand
people
and
their
families
in
jail.
Right
now
so
I
like
chair
Woodward's
idea
of
making
sure
we
have
increased
oversight
and
quality
and
still
taking
into
account
the
cost,
but
recognizing
this
culture
shift
is
here
to
stay
in
worthwhile
in
our
minds
and
I'd,
also
like
to
suggest
for
conversation
or
perhaps
bringing
up
at
the
board
meeting
or
introducing
it
or
writing
into
Communications
study
group
to
review
this
ongoing.
R
E
H
Of
some
sort,
I
I'll
make
a
motion,
but
let
me
if
I
can
say
just
two
quick
things,
I
think
to
the
the
point.
Commissioner
Covell
is
talking
about
there's
a
couple
layers
here,
like
we
made
years
ago.
This
was
done
in-house
and
our
commissary
was
run
in-house,
and
then
we
moved
to
a
privatization
space
where
a
lot
of
public
entities
were
going
to
that
way.
As
costs
come
up,
I
think
there
there
is
a
legitimate
conversation
to
be
had
should
be
brought
back
in-house
and
I.
H
Think
perfect
example
of
what
we
just
approved
with
the
cleaning
of
the
cages
like
in
terms
of
to
get
what
we
want
it's
better
to
do
that
it's
going
to
come
with
the
cost.
We've
got
to
figure
out
a
way
to
pay
for
it
and
all
that
type
of
stuff,
but
that
that
determination
is
also
having
reversing
and
going
into
Direction
bringing
something
in
the
house
and
I.
H
We
don't
have
a
subject
matter:
expert
on
food
service
in
a
jail
and
I
think
it's
probably
worth
exploring
this
part
I
mean
and
again
if
we
could
go
and
redo
this
from
the
very
beginning.
Maybe
that
would
have
been
worthwhile
to
invest
I'm
going
to
say
that
I
actually
had
an
amendment
to
put
up
there
that
went
down
early
I
mean
unrelated
to
this
one,
but
to
something
else
to
better
position
us
for
this,
but
I
think
when
we
look
at
and
again
this
is
the
outside
Aaron
and
Aramark
contract.
H
This
is
like
broadly
and
how
we
think
from
an
operational
point
of
view,
how
we
fund
this
going
forward.
The
other
aspect
that
we
really
haven't
talked
about.
That's
part
of
this
contract
is
the
the
commissary
system.
I
mean
I,
mean
service
and
I
know
I
asked
for
like
what
it
what's
the
split
and
what's
the
like,
do
you
have
okay?
So
so
we
bring
in
Revenue,
but
it's
also
I
mean
it's.
H
The
money
maker
and
I
asked
the,
and
it's
not
a
surprise,
because
there's
like
the
stuff,
that's
like
served
to
eat
and
then
it's
like.
If
you
spend
a
little
extra
money,
you
might
get
a
burger
or
other
food
and
I.
Ask
a
question.
Well,
who
uses
like
well
I
like
everybody?
If
they
could,
because
I
I
mean
I
get
it
I
mean
a
dollar
26
only
goes
so
far,
I
guess
so
how
that
all
fits
into
it?
How
much
revenue
we're
getting
and
I
mean
gay
also
brought
up
that?
H
V
With
General
commissary,
we
split
50,
okay,
the
what
you're
talking
about
the
burgers
the
pizza.
So
we
call
that
fresh.
V
V
Hopefully
yeah
that's
the
goal
is
to
reinstate
that
absolutely
and
then
there's
Eye
Care.
So
that's
a
that's
the
third
portion
of
it.
So
the.
G
V
H
V
That's
part
of
it
and
then
air
Mark
has
has
kept
the
commissary
percentages
the
same
in
their
new
proposal.
In
the
same
proposal.
H
V
V
V
H
H
Subject
matter,
experts
monitoring
this
working
with
the
provider
like
I,
said
I,
don't
want
to
call
into
question
the
Integrity
of
I
mean
our
our
process.
I
I
mean
in
the
the
best
and
final
offer.
When
I
looked
at
the
the
letter,
I
I
think
it
would
be
if
we
want
to
get
prices
of
what
X,
Y
and
Z
is.
We
should
say
we
want
this
level
of
Staffing.
That's
what
we
believe
is
necessary
to
keep
everyone
safe
and
provide
a
satisfactory
supervision.
We
want
this
level
of
minimum
compensation
for
employees.
H
We
want
to
make
these
types
of
things
when
we
push
that
out
there,
so
that
people
are
offering
everyone's
doing
the
same
thing,
because
if
you
look
at
the
I
know
and
again,
I
don't
know
staff
has
it.
If
people
want
to
look
at
all
the
other
stuff,
it's
you're,
they
don't
even
necessarily
completely
line
up
and
they're
they're.
Both
proposals
they're
both
vendors.
H
They
both
are
experienced
in
this
space,
but
if
this
is
gonna,
I
mean
if
it's
1.5
million
over
here
and
I
would
expect
over
five
years
is
going
to
be
even
more
that
I
think
we
need
to
do
our
due
diligence
to
keep
that
cost
low
as
possible,
but
also
today,
commissioner
Charles
and
others.
A
comments
is
like.
We
also
want
quality
and
I.
Think
there's
a
conversation
about
how
to
accomplish
that.
So
I
will
make
a
motion
and
I'm
open
to
negotiation.
B
H
E
H
A
T
H
R
S
.
correct
the
304
000
would
cover
March
through
September,
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
full.
It
wouldn't
fall.
V
H
R
H
G
H
The
time
being,
my
Amendment
will
be
just
to
swap
that
for
300
or
600,
but
we're
gonna
probably
have
to
change
that
between
now
and
the
floor
to
get
the
exact
number
to
go
all
the
way,
but
I'm
just
pulling
off
what
was
in
the
attachment
here
and
then
say
executing
a
new
make
that
one
year
contract
with
four-year
for
one-year
extensions.
F
H
K
F
F
H
Just
throwing
it
out
there,
oh
I,
think
that
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
I
mean
you've
gone
from
September
to
now.
It
probably
is
a
year-long
process
evaluation.
We
have
a
vendor
in
place
and
I
mean
I'll,
be
honest,
like
I'm
operating
that
I
expect
to
fully
appropriate
all
these
dollars
over
the
time,
I
mean
period
until
we
I
mean
until
a
better
solution
that
costs
money
or
improves
service
I
mean
everybody
presents
itself
magically,
but
guess
what
people
feel.
R
Commissioner,
cavelle
I
understand
what
you're,
saying
and
I
think
that
makes
sense,
but
also
so
does
the
board
using
its
prerogative
to
then
that's
part
now
of
the
process
of
you're
going
to
be
working
on
it.
So
perhaps
we
could
keep
it
at
the
one
years
with
extensions,
but
again
with
the
group
ones
and
as
long
as
it's
not
too
complicated
or
overwhelming
for
staff.
V
W
No
I
I
mean
the
whole
overwhelming
for
staff.
I
would
say
a
one-year
contract
of
this
size
and
importance
is
a
is
a
big
ask,
because
there's
a
lot
of
Staff
involved
I
would
also
recommend
a
two-year
just
for
stability.
It
can
still
be
reviewed
again.
I'm
gonna
remind
you
all
of
Mr
guzzy's
reminder
that
in
every
contract
we
have
that
ability
to
terminate
so
just
keep
that
in
mind,
but
I
would
recommend
two
years
just
to
to
give
all
parties
that
stability
that's
needed
for
something
as
important
as
feeding
inmates.
G
X
True,
can
I
joke
In,
Here,
Also,
real,
quick,
hello,
sorry,
sorry,
yeah
I
would
like
to
second
that
two-year
option.
We
have
a
lot
of
things
going
on
at
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
it
does
take
resources
to
sit
down
and
try
and
work
on
this.
But
the
more
important
thing
I
really
want
to
say
is:
please
know
there,
maybe
not
toward
the
extent
you're
thinking
of
but
I
mentioned
this
yesterday.
X
J
I
A
D
H
H
As
we
modify
that,
which
means
well
I,
don't
why
don't
you
put
it.
H
H
H
B
A
X
B
I
X
B
B
A
Carries
thank
you,
everybody,
oh
and
now
that's
right.
That
was
just
the
amendment
again.
I
need
an
apple.
So
let's
go
to
the
main
motion.
J
A
T
I
J
V
Okay,
so
this
is
our
annual
application
for
marine
safety
this
year,
we're
applying
for
all
eligible
expenses
for
625
907
dollars.
Unfortunately,
we
apply
for
the
max
we're
eligible
for
each
year
and
don't
get
nearly
that.
Last
year
we
ended
up
with
a
an
award
of
166
600,
so
I
mean
we're
always
hopeful
for
more
and
we
apply.
We
apply
for
everything
yeah.
B
I
A
I,
just
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
happened
in
committee
yesterday,
because
Miss
commissioner
mcgilvery
mentioned
that
you
know
we
have
more
Lakes
than
any
other
County
in
Michigan,
and
yet
we
can't
get
what
seems
to
be
a
reasonable
percentage
of
the
dollars
that
are
allocated.
Statewide
I
just
wondered:
is
there
any
action
that
the
Board
needs
to
do,
or
the
public
health
and
safety
committee
or
whatever,
to
say
to
the
state?
V
To
change
the
formula
which
I
think
chair
Woodward
talked
about
yesterday
too,
that
we
need
to
you
know
if.
H
H
H
I
D
H
H
H
I
mean
people,
don't
like
fee
increases,
but
the
reality
is
that
we
use
this
money
100
to
support
the
Marine
Division
and
as
you,
this
group
has
appropriate
additional
funds
and
we
subsidize
it
and
it's
and
then
there's
Equity
issues
and
safety
concerns
and
all
that
type
of
stuff,
so
I
mean
I,
think
find
a
way
to
happen.
To
increase,
have
more
money
in
the
pot
and
for
that
new
money
have
it
distributed
on
a
more
fairly
probably
more
legislative
accomplishable,
but
typical.
H
Can
write
a
letter
to
our
legislators,
so
we
can
do
that
and
we
can
ask
them
to
introduce
a
bill,
but
if
I
mean
I
would
go
be
more
proactive
like
what
can
we
actually
get
past
right
and
let's
start
working
on
that
and
and
ask
our
Oakland
County
delegation
to
build
support
with
their
peers
to
double
this
pot
or
increase
this
pot.
So
that's
so
that
we
can
get
more
money
on
a
reliable
basis
right.
Okay,.
B
All
right,
I'm.
A
B
A
A
J
A
H
So
if,
if
I
may,
yeah
I
want
to
put
in
people,
I
I
noticed
so
working
with
risk
management,
and
this
is
like
it
would
be
the
beginning
of
reviewing
a
bunch
of
policies
across
the
board.
I
mean
just
I
mean
County
operations,
so
probably
one
of
the
first
ones
is
coming
only
is
because
of
some
time
sensitivity
that
will
probably
be
reviewing
the
risk.
The
claims
review
process,
including
the
thresholds
of
claims
review,
can
approve
up
to
a
certain
threshold.
H
Finance
can
improve
up
to
another
threshold
and
then
possibly
raising
it
above
that
for
the
full
board
to
determined.
So
that's
I
mean
that's
going
to
come
to
finance
I
told
D
McBroom.
That
would
try
to
get
it
in
the
next
round
of
committees,
but
there
is
actually
other
vendors
to
be
brought
in
to
help
support
them
that
they
can't
do
until
we
take
action.
So
there
is
some
time
sensitivity
on
it,
but
I
just
want
to
let
everyone
know.
A
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair.
Okay.