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A
Thank
you,
that's
what
I'm
looking
for.
Could
we
please
call
the
roll.
C
B
A
Okay,
next
up,
we
have
approval
of
the
minutes
from
september
15th
and
september
24th,
including
closed
sessions.
I
need
a
motion
commissioner
mcgilvery
supported
by
commissioner.
Charles,
do
we
do
a
roll
call,
or
would
you
please
prompt
the
vote.
A
A
B
A
A
G
A
G
You
I
appreciate
that
so
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
basics
that
are
in
these
budgets
and
an
awful
lot
of
activity
going
on
the
biggest
one,
probably
the
I.t,
where
we're
converting
to
amazon
web
on
all
of
our
departments.
G
Even
though
I
think
it's
an
absolute
identity
crisis,
it's
a
risk
for
identity
theft
to
have
all
of
our
personal
information
out
on
the
internet.
In
whatever
service.
I
don't
care
what
it
is.
I
believe
staunchly
that
anything
that
has
confidential
personal
data
needs
to
be
state
on
campus
physical,
not
in
the
internet,
whether
it's
birth
record,
death
record
divorce
documents,
those
have
social
security
numbers.
They
have
a
lot
of
easy
to
manipulate
and
we
have
a
lot
of
occurrence
and
fraud
in
real
estate.
G
So,
by
putting
all
those
out
into
the
internet
is
only
going
to
increase
fraud
against
the
consumers
of
this
individual
county,
and
I
actually
do
not
believe
there
is
a
cyber
security
insurance
company
in
existence
that
would
be
able
to
cover
the
risk
that
could
be
incurred
by
this
actual
move
that
we
are
doing
and
putting
everyone's
data
out
into
the
amazon
web
service
or
whatever
cloud
service
or
whatever.
They
ultimately
are
doing.
G
It's
something
that
I
feel
is
absolutely
too
much
of
a
risk
for
the
community
and
something
the
board
of
commissioners
really
seriously
needs
to
consider
and
reconsider
to
exempt
anything
that
involves
personal,
identifying
information.
In
fact,
our
I.t
interlocal
contracts
with
the
other
cities
have
two
paragraphs
about
confidentiality,
so
I
don't
know
how
we
can
say
we
aren't
at
risk.
If
something
were
to
happen-
and
I
can
tell
you-
I
don't
feel
I
can
out
hack
the
hackers.
The
russian
hackers
got
the
columbia
pipeline
for
goodness
sakes
and
that's
what
we
know
about.
G
A
A
A
H
Good
morning,
I'm
here
with
steve
foster
our
project
didn't
hear
for
the
project.
I'll,
give
you
a
brief
background
on
what
we're
tending
to
do
here.
It
building
was
built
over
like
30
years
ago,
and
was
you
know
pretty
state-of-the-art
at
the
time,
but
common
practice
and
best
practices
for
data
centers
now
are
requiring
that
hvac
backup
systems
don't
share
common,
chilled
water
pipes,
valves
and
controls
of
any
other
type
of
system
in
there.
So
this
is
a
project
to
you
know,
bring
us
up
to
best
practices.
H
H
The
project
cost
with
contingency
was
499
918,
so
we're
seeking
approval
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
this
project
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
this
time.
A
J
Commissioner
spitz
didn't
realize
it
was
referred
to
multiple
committees
so
I'll
fit
in
for
him,
and
commissioner
cavall
has
partnered
up
on
this
project
as
well,
so
he's
available
to
answer
questions.
So,
if
you'll
recall
at
your
last
meeting
you
it
might
have
been
the
meeting
before
that
you
assigned
money
for
this
critical
infrastructure
program.
J
The
intent
here
is
to
provide
support
to
local
governments
to
do
the
pre-planning
pre-engineering
design.
All
those
types
of
things
that
you
need
to
do
in
order
to
move
a
project
forward
for
funding
under
the
and
under
the
arpa
local
fiscal
recovery
program
needs
to
meet
the
criteria
of
the
clean
water,
drinking
clean
or
the
drinking
water
state
revolving
fund
program.
So
the
policies
that
are
before
you
that
are
attached
aligned
very
closely
to
those
two
programs.
J
We
worked
with
guide
house
very
narrowly
define
this,
make
sure
we're
staying
in
the
right
territory
of
eligibility,
and
so
there
would
be
an
oversight
committee
that
would
make
recommendations.
Each
individual
project
would
then
come
back
to
the
board
for
a
final
approval
to
release
the
the
funds
in
the
interlocal
agreement
that
would
be
required.
J
So
there's
two
categories
in
there:
there's
there's
one
to
support
a
local
government,
a
disadvantaged
community
with
that
is
receiving
a
clean
or
drinking
water
state
revolving
fund
dollars
to
replace
lead
service
lines
for
administrative
support
in
identifying
where
the
lead
lines
are
and
then
there's
the
other
categories.
A
little
bit
more
general.
In
terms
of
you
know,
pre-planning.
C
And
if
I
could
also
just
add,
this
has
been
a
great
exercise
in
learning
for
me
about
how
much
paperwork
steps
there
are
required
in
getting
something
done.
So
I
want
to
thanks
chris
and
commissioner
spitz.
Full
employment.
A
J
B
A
Right,
that's
right
any
other
discussion
on
this.
A
I
have
a
question
so
with
a
lot
of
this
arpa
money,
a
lot
of
the
locals
are
starting
to
call
us
up,
and
you
know:
how
are
we
going
to
communicate
this
to
the
locals
so
that
they
know
how
the
pro
how
the
process
works
and
that
this
money
is
available
and
can
be
drawn
upon.
J
So
we've
been
working
with
the
commissioners
on
this
and
on
the
administration
side
so
that
we
can
move
rather
quickly
on
this,
the
there
is
one
community
royal
oak
township
that
has
received
funding
to
replace
lead
service
lines
and
there's
a
rather
tight
time
schedule,
so
we'll
be
bringing
back.
Hopefully,
if
this
passes
at
your
board
meeting
we'll
have
an
oversight
committee
meeting
rather
quickly
and
bring
back
some
recommendation,
at
least
on
that
one.
Our
community
engagement
staff
in
the
office
department
of
public
communications,
each
have
a
district.
That
is
your.
You
know.
J
Local
governments
are
going
to
assist
with
this
program,
be
in
touch
with
your
local
officials,
make
sure
that
they
are
aware
of
the
opportunity
if
they
need
the
assistance.
You
know
to
work
directly
with
them.
The
water
resources
commissioner's
office
is
also
offered
to
be
of
assistance.
You
know
technical
help
and
evaluating
you
know,
proposals
and
developing
grant
applications.
C
And
also
just
in
the
18th
district,
I've
taken
the
you
know:
we
get
all
those
mac
grant
opportunities,
so
I
have
ford
or
some
of
our
to
our
city
managers
and
some
of
our
city
managers
aren't
always
on
email.
So
you
know
a
text
ping.
You
know,
I
know
it's
kind
of
informal,
but
that
personal
touch
is
at
least
gotten
a
lot
of
interest
he's
in
charge
of
personal
touch.
Well,
there
you
go.
A
And,
and
as
always,
we're
supposed
to
be
in
you
know,
communication
with
the
district,
the
communities
that
we
represent,
but
some
of
us
represent
a
fair
number
of
communities
too.
So
I
think
the
structure
has
to
be
in
place
that
doesn't
necessarily
depend
on
us
individually
for
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
just
should
be
able
to
just
kind
of
crank
through
it.
So,
okay,
anybody
else
have
any
comments
or
questions.
Commissioner
powell.
A
J
J
Sure
yeah,
it's
a
you
know,
would
be
on
your
board
agenda
next
week,
wednesday
correct
and
then
we
would
hope
to
have
an
oversight
committee
meeting.
If
we
can
have
a
committee
appointed
within
the
next
couple
of
days
and
put
out
an
announcement,
you
know
so
this
one.
We
want
to
move
rather
quickly
due
to
the
time
constraints
mentioned.
H
Okay,
is
there
any
dead
like,
and
will
there
be
a
grant
deadline
for
them
to
apply
and
stuff?
Will
that
be
implemented
as
well?
Or
is
this
going
to
be
like
kind
of
ongoing
based
on
the
need.
J
So
you
know
has
been
past
practices.
There's
been
a
discussion
about
potentially
increasing
depending
on
you
know
the
need
the
need
and
you
know
the
applications
and
where
we
decide
to
go
from
there.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
anybody
else:
if
seeing
no
one,
let's
go
ahead
and
prompt
the
vote.
A
A
First
item
on
the
agenda
is
item
number
a
fy,
2022,
midc
creation
of
the
indigent
defense
services
office.
I
need
a
motion
commissioner
cavell
supported
by
commissioner
powell
good
morning.
Good.
I
Morning,
commissioners,
thank
you
for
having
us.
My
name
is
pete
menna
and
I
am
the
chief
attorney
of
the
newly
created
or
what
will
be
newly
created,
assuming
the
resolution
passes.
Indigent
defense
services
office
with
me
is
marianne
yergie
from
corporation
council
and,
as
I
said
at
the
lago
meeting
yesterday,
marianne
has
just
been
an
outstanding
advocate
and
a
person
who
has
built
the
foundation
for
this
program
that
we
hope
to
build
upon
going
forward.
I
Since
we
are
the
funding
unit
for
those
district
courts,
the
grant
this
year
is
basically
5.8
million
five
799
and
the
statute
requires
us
every
year
to
contribute
our
local
share,
which
is
a
statutory
calculation
based
on
the
three
fiscal
years
preceding
the
enact
enactment
of
the
midc
act,
which
were
fiscal
years,
10,
11
and
12..
So
our
local
share
calculation.
This
year
is
1.85
million,
which
you
can
see
in
the
resolution.
I
The
reason
that
we
need
to
do
that
is
because
of
standard
five
midc
standard
five,
which
has
been
approved
by
lara,
requires
that
many
functions
which
have
historically
been
taken
care
of
by
the
courts
have
to
now
be
independent
of
the
judiciary.
So
appointment
of
defense
attorneys
in
all
of
our
criminal
cases,
that's
the
big
one
that
has
historically
been
a
court
function
that
can
no
longer
be
a
court
function.
It
has
to
be
independent
of
the
judiciary
and
to
to
to
a
lesser
extent,
but
still
very
important.
I
I
A
I'll
open
the
floor
up
to
the
commissioners
commissioner
long
followed
by
commissioner,
my
voicemail
is
there
physical
room
for
the
new
people?
Do
you
have
enough
room.
I
Yes,
so
that
was
part
of
the
the
last
year's
grant,
and
this
year's
grant
is
building
out
a
small
space,
not
small.
It's
it's
it's
a
good
space
in
bigger
than
this
in
the
legal
resources
center,
so
the
people
that
will
be
housed
here
are
myself.
I
Three
current
employees
of
the
circuit
court
will
be
moving
over,
so
they
will
no
longer
be
court
employees
because
again
they
have
to
be
independent
of
the
judiciary
and
we
will
be
hiring
two
indigent
defense
clerks
who
will
be
designed
to
provide
administrative
support
and
also
back
up
the
four
district
court
clerks.
We
have
one
clerk
in
each
52nd
district
court,
so
those
four
will
stay
housed
in
the
courts
and
then
here
in
our
building,
we'll
have
six
people.
Okay,
thank.
A
K
It
sounds
basically
like
we.
We
really.
We
don't
know
what
we've
got
to
do.
We
don't
know
how
much
money
it's
going
to
cost.
We
don't
know
the
extent
of
the
obligation
we
don't
know.
This
is
just
an
open-ended
beginning
on
creating
a
structure
that
may
have
no
upper
end
to
it.
It
sounds
like
we
really
don't
have
any
idea
where
we're
going
other
than
we're
going
to
go
there
and
we're
going
to
pay
whatever
it
costs
to
get
to
wherever
it
is.
K
I
I
I
know
and
I'm-
and
this
is
why
it's
not
true-
we
know
currently
how
we
provide
indigent
defense
services,
which
is
through
a
managed
assigned
council
system.
So
we
know
what
our
budget
is
for
the
court
appointed
attorneys.
They
have
a
roster
if
they
want
to
be
court,
appointed
attorneys,
they
get
on
our
roster
and
we
appoint
in
a
rotation.
I
So
we
know
how
that
system
works.
Currently,
we
know
that
the
long-term
goal
is
to
move
into
a
public
defender
model
if
it
makes
sense
for
the
county
to
do
that,
and
we
know
that
the
data
that
we
get
from
the
feasibility
study
which
we're
expecting
to
have
in
the
spring,
is
what
is
going
to
tell
us
if
that
makes
sense
for
the
county
or
not.
K
I
K
Okay,
so
they
can't
say
gee
we're
they're
doing
it
at
x,
county
somewhere.
We
want
to
be
like
yeah.
I
know
wayne
county
is
almost
twice
as
large
population
wise
as
oakland,
so
you
know
they
would
have
okay,
so
we're
still
kind
of
shooting
in
the
dark
here.
I
K
Now,
here's
the
deal
and
in
in
some
ways
I
and
a
couple
of
the
other
commissioners
were
kind
of
present
at
the
creation
of
this,
and
we
did
not
support
it
because
it
looked
as
if
any
certain
commissioner
and
then
state
representative
really
pushed
it,
and
the
argument
was
look.
You
are
setting
the
county
up
for
a
very,
very,
very
expensive
program
that
could
be
in
could
be
actually
essentially
indefinitely
open-ended,
and
where
is
the
money
going
to
come
from?
How
are
we
going
to
do
this?
K
What's
it
going
to
cost
before
we
sign
on
to
it?
Well,
it
was
rolled
over
in
lansing
anyhow,
and
we
have
to
do
it,
but
I
would
like
to
you
know,
sort
of
in
sort
of
in
sympathy
to
the
people.
We
were
10
15
years
ago
asking
this
question
how
you
know
what
is
it
that
success
looks
like
what
is
it
that
a
completed
program
will
look
like
what
are
you
moving
toward
rather
than
ge
golly,
we
want
to
let's,
let's
just
you
know,
start
incrementally:
building
an
empire.
I
I
You
can
quarrel
with
that
umbrella
idea,
but
that
is
the
umbrella
idea.
So
how
do
you
do
that?
Well,
you
do
it
through
different
standards,
increased
attorney
training,
which
we
already
have
the
provision
of
defense
counsel
at
every
arraignment,
which
has
recently
happened,
which
never
used
to
happen
before
standard
five
independence
of
the
judiciary.
I
Again,
you
can
quarrel
about
whether
it's
a
problem
to
have
judges
directly
appointing
defense
attorneys
who
appear
in
front
of
them,
but
the
argument
is
that
that
could
create
the
the
at
least
the
appearance
of
impropriety
and
the
appearance
of
attorneys,
who
are
only
want
to
please
the
judge
instead
of
provide
competent
representation
clearly
and
then
the
standards
that
have
not
been
enacted
yet
which
which
we're
still
waiting
on
from
the
state
increases
in
attorney
pay
defined
parameters,
for
this
is
how
much
that
you
will
pay
defense
counsel,
and
we
will
give
you
the
money
to
do
that.
I
That
is
probably
you
know
what
fits
best
with
your
open-ended
suggestion,
because
that
truly
is
open-ended.
Will
that
standard
ever
be
passed
and
will
it
ever
be
funded?
But
all
of
these
things
that
the
midc
does
and
that
we
are
we
are
charged
with
implementing
in
our
county,
are
designed
to
increase
the
quality
of
indigent
defense
services.
That's
the
ultimate
goal,
and
that
is
the
structure
that
we
hope
to
create
to
meet
that
goal.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
say
this
sounds
awesome.
This
is
great
for
all
the
reasons
you
just
explained
as
a
retort
to
what
commissioner
moss
was
saying
and
I'll
just
add
that
if
we're
gonna
fund
courts
and
have
courts
and
adjudicate
so-called
justice,
then
we
need
to
follow
the
sixth
amendment
of
the
united
states
constitution
and
bill
of
rights
and
do
that
the
right
way.
So
I
appreciate
you.
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
would
like
to
just
inquire
at
any
point.
Did
we
discuss
this
with
our
prosecutor
and
other
stakeholders
who
might
have
some
insight
if
you
could
speak
to
that.
I
Yes,
in
terms
of
the
crea
of
how
we
move
forward
from
here
or
how
we
got
to
this
point
more.
I
I
So
I
I
think
the
best
way
to
describe
it
is
getting
to.
This
point
has
largely
been
a
function
of
state
law
and
the
requirements
that
we
have
to
follow.
So
it's
it's
definitely
important
to
have
the
conversations,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
doing
some
things
that
we
just
have
to
do
going
forward
is
where
those
conversations
sort
of
expand
into
okay.
I
D
Madam
chair,
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
was
one
of
those
representatives
who
supported
this.
When
I
was
in
the
house,
it's
been
a
bumpy
road
because
I
think
open
county
had
to
fight
and
go
to
the
mat
to
get
the
resources
that
the
state
was
supposedly
promising.
I
know
our
former
deputy
executive,
malcolm
brown,
was
at
all
these
meetings
and
I
think
there
was
a
lawsuit
or
two
that
happened
during
this
process.
I
still
believe
it's
a
it's.
D
A
very
important
process
and
michigan
was
kind
of
quite
behind
a
lot
of
other
states
and
how
we
treated
our
indigent
defendants.
So
I
do
support
this
going
forward
and
just
the
two
questions
I
have,
I
guess
are,
first
of
all,
when
you
say
continued
funding
by
these
different
positions.
I
Correct
the
only
there's
one
position
of
the
10
that
I
mentioned
that
the
midc
considered
to
be
supplanting,
so
it's
a
court
appointment
specialist
who
essentially
the
midc
initially
my
understanding
from
mary
ann
is
the
midc
tried
to
make
the
argument
that
all
these
positions
would
be
supplanting
and
should
not
be
grant
funded,
but
we
were
able
to,
and
when
I
say
we,
I
don't
want
to
take
any
credit
for
that.
Marianne
and
others
were
able
to
convince
them
that
that
was
not
true,
and
so
nine
of
these
ten
positions
are
fully
included.
I
D
Well,
thank
you
and
thank
you,
marianne
for
your
hard
work
too.
Another
question
I
just
don't
know
if
it's
ever
come
up
or
if
I've
ever
asked,
I
mean
how
many
indigent
defense
defendants
do.
We
typically
have
in
oakland
county
in
one
year
between
the
circuit
court
and
the
in
the
52s.
So
any
any
idea.
B
I
B
B
I
also
want
to
mention,
because
it
hasn't
been
mentioned,
we
did
a
great
deal
of
work
in
with
the
community
of
oakland
county.
We
have
interlocal
agreements
and
we've
taken
over
the
training
of
indigen
defense
attorneys
for
all
of
the
district
courts
in
the
county
and
including
our
own
and
pete's,
going
to
take
over
that
grant
administration
with
the
oakland
county
bar
association,
and
they
provide
all
of
that
training
for
the
for
the
county's
attorneys
and
actually
that's
been
copied
by
macomb,
county
and
isabella
county
and
several
other
counties.
B
So
it's
kind
of
been
a
really
great
thing.
We
also
the
county
handles
all
the
appointments
of
arraignment
attorneys
in
the
oakland
county
jail
and
all
the
police
department,
lockups
and
the
oakland
county
jail
on
the
weekends
for
10
district
courts.
We
don't
do
it
for
the
43rd
and
the
47th
right.
So
it's
a
lot
of.
I
mean
we
do
arraignments
every
day
of
the
year.
A
Thank
you
anybody
else.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
so
have
we
started
this
program
of
indigent
defense
different
than
we
used
to
do
it?
Has
the
program
actually
started.
I
I
We
won't
receive
our
grant
money
until
after
board
approval
on
the
13th
at
the
meeting
on
the
13th,
and
then
the
chair
signs
the
grant
contract
so
we'll
have
180
days
after
that
by
statute
to
fully
implement
standard
five.
Our
goal,
though,
is
to
have
it
fully
implemented
by
the
start
of
2022..
I
There
are
some
court
rule
changes
that
are
taking
effect
sort
of
in
in
companion
to
this
process,
and
so
our
goal
is
to
be
fully
implemented
by
the
new
year,
but
there
are
many
pieces
of
it
that
we
that
we
have
implemented
with
our
circuit
court
criminal
assignment
committee,
my
review
of
expert
and
investigator
requests.
Those
are
all
things
that
we're
implementing
right
now,.
I
Correct
indigent
defense
system
is
the
statutory
term
and
you
are
an
indigent
defense
system
when
you
are
the
funding
unit
for
a
court,
so
we're
the
indigent
defense
system
for
the
circuit
court
and
the
52s
you
know.
Pontiac,
for
example,
is
the
indigent
defense
system
for
the
50th
farmington
hills
from
farmington
for
the
47th
and
so
on.
So
they
have
their
own
grant.
A
A
J
A
L
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
quick
overview
in
general
of
these
contracts,
so
I
don't
have
to
do
it
each
time
we
go
through
here,
but
you're
welcome
the
uaw,
as
you
recall,
formed
in
december
of
last
year,
and
then
what
we
have
here
before
you
you've
seen
in
the
past
are
called
supplementals.
So
in
order
to
card
check
or
to
be
recognized
within
the
union,
you
had
a
choice
to
either
come
in
by
department
or
by
classification.
L
So
you'll
see
a
little
bit
of
a
combination
of
both,
and
these
supplements
clarify
those
particular
departments
because
most
departments
have
different
needs
as
well
as
different
employees
have
different
needs.
So
that's
why
you'll
see
so
many
supplements,
I
think
we
have
12
all
together,
there'll
be
a
few
more
coming
forward
at
the
next
meeting.
So
this
is
before
you
is
the
supplemental
for
some
supervisors
over
at
animal
control.
C
A
A
Okay-
and
I
don't
see
anybody
wanting
to
speak
so
with
that-
let's
call
the
role.
A
A
L
Again
as
before,
this
is
a
classifications
within
the
m
b
department
and
again
just
clarifying
their
ability
to
work,
alternative
work
schedules
where
needed
and
should
there
ever
be
holiday,
pain
over
time.
A
A
L
Okay
and
again,
this
is
the
remaining
department,
excluding
the
classifications
that
were
just
here
and
m
b
department.
You
can
see
here
that
blue
allowance
is
carved
out
for
equalization,
since
they
do
a
bunch
of
site
visits
and
things
of
that
nature
out
in
the
field
and
they're.
Also,
it's
just
memorialized
for
higher
classifications
in
assessing
they're
really
hard
to
come
by.
L
A
A
You
passes
unanimously,
yes,
boots
are
expensive.
A
Okay,
next
up,
we
have
item
e
again,
the
uaw
local
889.
This
is
representing
the
sheriff's
office
supervisory
employees
of
work
projects
supervisor.
L
Okay,
so
just
a
friend
of
mine,
we
do
have
10
up
this
year.
That
didn't
include
the
uaw,
so
this
is
our
first
one.
This
is
the
prosecutor's
office.
They
are
just
the
investigators,
there's
nine
full-time
employees
and
one
pt
e
in
that
group.
Again,
nothing
crazy
notable.
We
read,
we
readjusted
their
wages
to
meet
an
alignment
with
the
comp
plan.
L
They
did
get
a
one
percent
wage
increase
and-
or
me
also
with
the
general
salary
increases,
which
many
of
you
and
you'll
see
a
common
pattern
coming
throughout,
which
means
that
if
whatever
non-general
or
non-union
gets,
they
get
the
greater
of
what
they
put
in
there.
So
they'll
get
the
1.5
as
well.
We
readjusted
their
clothing
allowance
as
well,
again
clarification
on
workweek
and
then
rediscussed
their
benefits,
which
will
also
have
a
are
in
alignment
with
the
non-union.
So.
L
A
Anybody
else
so
I'll
just
clarify
that
these
salary
increases
one
percent
or
one
and
a
half
percent.
Those
are
consistent
with
the
compensation
study
that
we
did
that
actually
took
place
over
almost
a
three
year
period
to
try
and
assess
whether
the
employees
at
oakland
county
were
properly
compensated
in
terms
of
what
they
were
making,
and
you
know
to
retain
our
employees
and,
and
ultimately
it
came
up
that
we
were
going
to
give
everybody
a
one
percent
or
a
one
and
a
half
for
this
year
yep
for
this
year.
A
So
that's
where
these
numbers
derive
from
this
was.
This
is
not
a
trivial.
Let's
just
throw
money
at
people.
This
was
really
the
results
of
almost
three
years
worth
of
compensation.
Study
that
took
place
at
oakland
county
to
try
and
make
ourselves
right
with
our
employees,
and
the
outer
world
at
large
is.
L
That
is
that
a
correct
statement
yeah,
they
were
the
only
ones
that
didn't
have
a
wage
reopener
during
that
process.
So
we're
the
only
ones
that
had
to
show
her
up
in
here,
so
we
shored
them
up.
But
then
we
have
those
wage
increases
and
I
promised
kyle
from
the
mmb
director
that
I
would
make
sure
he
doesn't
have
heart
palpitations
during
all
these
year
negotiations.
So
so
far
we're
staying
in
alignment
with
our
workforce
plan
for
the
next
five
years.
A
Excellent
excellent,
okay,
anybody
else
have
any
comments
or
questions.
If
not,
let's
prompt
the
vote.
I'm
trying
to
get
you
out
of
here
on
time
with
commissioner
mcgilvery.
A
Now
we
will
move
on
to
the
public
health
and
safety
committee
recommendations,
starting
with
item
a
a
grant
acceptance:
fiscal
year,
2022
automobile
theft,
prevention
authority,
atpa
from
the
sheriff's
department,
and
I
see
we
have
a
couple
of
people
with
us
this
morning
under
sheriff
mccabe
good
morning,
gay
up
here,
moved
by
commissioner
kowal.
Thank
you.
I
was
having
a
brain
freeze
and
supported
by
commissioner
mcgilvery.
M
Good
morning,
this
is
our
annual
grant
award
from
the
atpa
auto
theft
prevention
authority.
The
grant
started
in
a
statute.
This
past
1986.
M
michigan
was
out
front
of
all
the
other
michigan
used
to
be
the
number
one:
auto
theft
capital
of
america.
We've
now
dropped
down
to
number
10
11
12
somewhere
in
there,
and
it's
a
direct
result
of
this
program.
It's
funded
by
one
dollar
surcharge
on
insurance
policies
and
grants
are
let
out
by
the
atp
and
a
competitive
based
application.
M
We
have
two
teams
that
are
funded
by
it's
a
50
50
match.
When
the
program
started
in
1986
it
was
100
funded
by
the
grant,
and
then
it
went
to
75.25.
Now
it's
at
50
50
because,
unfortunately
has
not
kept
pace
with
inflation.
There's
only
so
many
cars
out
there
that
you
can
insure
and
we
have
tried.
M
M
It's
a
program
that
was
modeled
by
many
other
states
throughout
the
country
when
it
was
started
and,
like
I
said
we
have
dramatic,
reduced,
auto
theft
here
in
michigan
we
have
two
teams,
one
that's
based
at
southfield
pd
and
is
supervised
by
one
of
our
sergeants
and
the
city
of
hazel
park.
Royal
oak,
farmington
hills,
city
of
detroit
and
southfield
are
all
based
there.
Unfortunately,
royal
oak
just
had
to
drop
out,
and
commissioner
cavallo
knows
because
he
was
a
committee
yesterday,
as
was
good
commissioners.
M
Here
boy
you
were,
I
don't
think
you
were
you're,
not
in
public
safe.
So
anyway,
powell,
commissioner
powell,
anyway,
the
city
royal
oak,
dropped
out
because
they
have
a
manpower
shortage,
a
police
officer
shortage
right
now,
so
they're,
just
not
able
to
put
somebody
in
right.
Now
we
are
recruiting
in
the
south
end,
we've
tried
oak
park.
They
have
a
shortage.
Also
everybody's
got
a
shortage
right
now,
so
we
hope
to
fill
that
position
in
the
near
future
and
that
person,
whoever
it
is,
will
be
assigned
to
the
south
field
office.
M
M
M
M
Many
people
unfortunately
come
from
wayne
county
and
detroit
to
steal
cars
in
oakland
county
and
vice
versa,
so
that
has
worked
out
really
well
for
for
both
the
city
of
detroit
and
oakland
county
in
terms
of
reducing
auto
theft
in
both
areas.
So,
as
like
I
said,
it's
a
50-50
grant
match
we're,
asking
you
to
accept
that
grant
today.
A
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I
take
it
that
any
of
the
areas
that
the
sheriff
covers,
like
highland
township,
would
also.
M
M
That
did
happen
in
highland
township
at
shots.
Zotz,
I'm
sorry
their
dealership
there
on
m59.
Unfortunately,
they
didn't
have
a
camera
system
and
alarm
system
installed
there.
I'm
not
sure
what
their
insurance
company
thinks
about
that.
But
there
were
four
cars,
stolen
trucks
and
cars
are
worth
over.
330
000,
our
team,
in
conjunction
with
waterford
pd,
did
a
great
job.
M
We're
able
to
recover
all
four
vehicles,
one
of
them
down
in
birmingham
actually
crashed,
had
some
damage
done
to
it,
but
well
when
they
boxed
him
in
he
hit
a
wall
so,
but
it
was
a
help.
It
was
the
hellcat
actually
which
is
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
vehicle.
D
A
B
Well,
thank
you,
commissioner,
kowal
that
was
good
questioning,
as
perhaps
the
most
southern
residential
person
on
the
commission
who
lives
in
an
inner
ring
suburb.
B
M
Great
relationship
with
the
chief
in
the
department
down
in
southfield
and
commissioner
powell's
you
know
the
city
of
pontiac.
We
have
a
deputy
but
he's
in
the
funded
by
the
city
of
pontiac,
because
the
two
leading
auto
theft,
municipalities
in
oakland,
county
or
southfield
and
pontiac,
but
they've,
been
greatly
reduced.
There
too
they're
still
again
greatly
reduced
there.
Because
of
the
success
of
these
two
teams
and
success.
Statewide.
A
A
K
B
There
we
go.
I
hit
that
button,
love
technology
here,
my
my
ear,
you
have
in
front
of
your
request
for
an
allocation
of
a
little
over
7
million
7.089,
a
million
to
allocate
for
our
estimated
expenses
related
to
the
pandemic
for
fiscal
year
2022.
B
That
would
be
reimbursable
by
fema
over
the
course
of
the
last
year
we
have
submitted
actually
over
8
million
in
100
for
the
pandemic
only
reimbursing
at
a
100
rate.
The
largest
chunk
of
this
request,
an
estimated
fi,
could
be
up
to
five
million
dollars
for
testing.
B
We
are
currently
doing
testing
within
the
sheriff's
office
twice
a
week
or
I'm
sorry
twice
a
month
that
is
in
in
part
due
to
a
federal
lawsuit
that
has
been
pending
during
the
pandemic,
and
then
there
are
potentially
some
other
regulations
coming
down.
That
could
increase
employee
testing.
So
that's
the
reason
for
that.
Other
things
in
there
include
public
communications.
A
C
Thank
you,
chair
hi
tom
got
a
great
backyard
yesterday
you
when
this
came
before
public
health
and
safety.
This
is
more
kind
of
like
a
setup
or
a
prompt
for
you.
Part
of
this
is
also
to
create
a
shared
services.
Kind
of
interlocal
agreement
bid,
opportunity
for
local
cvts
and
their
testing
also
right.
B
Yeah,
we
do
currently
have
a
bid
for
testing
our
our
plan
with
purchasing
is
to
re-bid.
This
one
to
see,
if
there
are,
is
maybe
better
pricing
out
there
in
case.
It's
changed
during
this,
and
the
other
would
be
to
open
this
up
to
local
communities
so
that
they
have
an
increased
need
for
testing
to
try
to
at
least
help
them
get
the
best
price
as
possible.
C
That
sounds
very
good.
Just
knowing
what
I
know
about
in
the
18th
district
oak
park,
for
example,
17th
and
18th
is
going
to
spend
at
least
1300
a
week
doing
testing
on
employees
as
they
return
to
work
and
that's
on
the
low
end
of
things,
because
they're
doing
a
lot
of
remote
stuff
and
they've
called
like
a
local
emergency.
So
and
that's
you
know
1300
a
week
times
52
weeks,
maybe
so
it
gets
real,
expensive.
Real,
quick
so
appreciate
that
tom.
A
A
A
Next
up,
we
have
10.
Thank
you,
commission.
Thank
you,
mr
hardesty.
Next
up
is
item
10c
appropriation
and
grant
administration
plan
for
mental
health
and
well-being
emergency
room
services
grant
program.
I
need
a
motion,
commissioner,
charles
supported
by
commissioner
long,
who
do
we
have
to
speak
to
this
one?
N
N
While
they
were
waiting
for
an
assessment
in
most
cases
by
common
ground
and
a
referral
for
appropriate
inpatient
or
outpatient
treatment.
So
this
is
really
kind
of
a
stop
gap
measure.
I
think
that
the
hospital
systems
and
oakland
community
health
network
will
learn
a
lot
from
it
to
see
what
the
experience
is,
but
it
will
really
fill
an
acute
need
that
our
hospitals
are
experiencing
right
now,
where
residents
are
not
getting
any
mental
health
care,
while
they
wait
in
an
emergency
department
for
an
appropriate
referral.
N
You'll
see
in
the
resolution
in
the
attachment
regarding
the
program
administration,
that
what
we
did
is
we
we
talked
to
each
hospital
system
in
terms
of
what
their
estimated
costs
would
be,
and
so
there's
a
chart
that
describes
what
mha
feels
would
be
the
allotment
by
hospital
by
emergency
department
system
and
they
would
administer
it.
They
would
approve.
This
would
be
on
a
reimbursement
basis,
so
the
hospital
would
provide
the
care
and
then
seek
reimbursement
for
that
treatment.
Right
now.
A
Okay,
anybody
have
any
questions.
Commissioner
long,
I
put
my
thing
up.
I
don't
know
if
it
works.
Sorry,
I
lost
my
voice.
My
children
are
very
happy,
but
anyway
is
I'm
just
worried
that
maybe
my
we
need
to
include
urgent
care
at
some
time.
A
Is
there
any
thought
of
that
because
you
know
they
tell
us
to
go
to
urgent
care?
First
right,
I
don't
know.
If
some
do
you
know,
but
I'm
just
worried
that
maybe.
N
That's
a
very
good.
That
is
a
very
good
point,
and
I
will
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
will
raise
that
with
the
hospital
association
so
that
we
can.
We
can
explore
that
some
of
the
urgent
cares
you
know,
are
run
by
the
hospital
systems
so
yeah.
Let
me
look
into
that
that
I
appreciate
that
just
because.
A
C
Thank
you,
chair,
hi
hilary.
You
had
mentioned
that
this
is
a
one
year
program
and
it's
addressing
an
acute
need.
Could
you
share
any
thoughts
that
you
or
the
mha
might
have
about
the
chronic
and
lasting
need
related
to
mental
health
as
yeah.
A
A
N
N
A
H
So,
just
to
kind
of
piggyback
off
your
question
was
there
a
reason
why
those
specific
hospitals
were
the
only
ones
that
are
listed
in
our
packet?
Are
those
the
ones
that
we
vetted
out.
You
know
and
that's
why
they're
listed
just
to
be
like
the
start
list,
but
this
grant
is
available
to
everyone.
I
just
wanted
to
know
why
we
didn't
list
all
of
the
hospitals
that's
listed
in
our
case,
because.
N
They
were
the
ones
that
responded
to
our
detailed
requests
that
they
were
providing
and
the
type
you
know
the
type
of
patients
that
they
were
seeing
and
the
type
of
care
that
they
would
be
able
to
provide
and
what
the
cost
of
that
care
would
be.
So
each
of
these
hospital
systems
responded
to
mha,
with
kind
of
a
detailed
summary
of
what
they
were
facing.
A
A
Next
item
is
item
11a.
It's
contract
with
well
path,
llc,
jail,
health
clinic
inmate
health
program.
I
need
a
motion
commissioner
mcgilvray
supported
by
commissioner
powell
good
morning.
O
So,
thank
you
very
much,
I'm
here
with
gaia
from
the
sheriff's
office
and
we're
here
to
talk
about
one
contract
in
particular
to
the
sheriff's
department
and
then
I'll
be
joined.
I
think
the
next
agenda
item
is
april
from
the
executive
office
representing
hr
there's
a
contract.
So
let
me
just
give
a
little
bit
of
a
backdrop
here.
We
changed
the
policy
a
couple
of
years
ago
on
on
professional
services
contracts,
anything
over
250
000.
O
Part
of
that
process
was
also
understanding
that
there
are
a
lot
of
professional
service
contracts.
Now,
let
me
just
identify
professional
services
contract
in
this
policy.
What
we
identified
as
a
professional
service
contract
is
dictated
by
the
certificate
of
insurance.
That's
required.
If
errors
in
emissions
is
one
of
the
items
that's
required
by
the
insurance
company,
we
will
call
it
a
professional
services
contract.
That's
a
term
of
art.
I
want
to
make
sure
and
denote,
because
in
the
contracting
space,
sometimes
you've
got
a
category
called
commodities.
O
We
all
understand
commodities
office
supplies
fuel,
whatever
patrol
cars,
then
you
have
professional
services,
which
is
typically
consultants
or
legal
services
or
or
any
other
thing
that
you
might
think
from
a
professional
health
services.
Doctors,
nurses
would
be
considered
professional
and
then
there's
what
we
call:
mro:
maintenance,
repair
and
operation,
janitorial
services,
people
to
clean
the
windows
and
so
forth.
O
So
if
it
requires
an
errors
in
a
mission
in
their
certificate
of
insurance,
even
though
it
might
be
a
janitorial
services,
because
I'm
fairly
certain
the
animal
shelter,
it
would
be
considered
in
procurement,
language
and
a
maintenance,
repair
and
operation
contract.
But
since
it
has
an
arizona
mission,
we
consider
it
as
a
professional
services.
So
you
just
want
to
give
that
backdrop.
First
of
what
you're
looking
at
now,
what
we
identified
when
we
were
working
through
this
policy
is,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
anything
that
was
expiring
as
a
contract.
O
O
Two
one-year
options
as
long
as
you
have
clauses
or
termination
for
convenience,
our
termination
for
cause
you've
got
a
lot
of
flexibility
as
a
a
government
entity
that
is
asking
for
contracts,
but
I
think
that
that's
important
because,
as
we
look
and
we
wanted
to
integrate,
the
first
question
to
ask
is:
is
this
a
reoccurring
need
because
there
are
some
consultants?
O
The
executive
office
has
had
some
consultants
in
this
past
year,
but
those
are
one-time
items,
so
we
would
not
expect
to
see
them
on
the
contract
or
this
professional
services
when
they
lapse
once
we're
done
with
the
service.
Thank
you
very
much
we're
done
with
this,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
professional
services
that
are
reoccurring,
needs
by
the
government
and
by
the
county,
and
so
we
integrated
those
that
were
expiring
in
the
next
fiscal
year
in
fiscal
year,
22
the
budget
that
we
just
adopted.
O
So
that
was
to
give
through
the
process
the
opportunity
for
commissioners
to
review
that
and
ask
questions.
Hey.
Are
you
going
back
out
with
that
contract?
If
you
are,
you
know
it?
Is
it
going
to
look
the
same?
What
you
know
that
was
an
opportunity
for
this
body
to
take
a
look
and
and
ask
questions.
So
I
just
wanted
to
provide
that
backdrop
and
that's
why
this
budget
book
looked
different
than
the
ones
that
you've
received
in
the
past.
O
We
had
an
appendix
here
with
all
the
professional
service
contracts,
so
the
one
that
we're
here
talking
about
today
is
on
page
655.
O
E
Something
if
I
made
madam
chair
commissioner
woodward.
Thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
underscore
something
that
sean
said
that
I
mean
part
of
our
appropriation
process
that
we
went
through
that
any
any
of
those
contracts
listed
at
the
back
of
the
book
I
mean
again
like
this
is
the
most
transparent
budget
oakland
county
has
ever
adopted.
I
mean
I
mean
across
all
departments
that
are
at
the
back
of
the
the
big
budget
book,
anything
that
was
included
as
part
of
the
final
budget.
The
board
has
in
essence,
given
its
permission.
E
To
have
these
dollars
continue
to
run
the
course
as
they
currently
are.
This
250
000
threshold
that
we
talked
about
there's
some
in
there
there's
some
that
I
mean
we
were
adopted,
and
we
pulled
some
of
those
to
come
before
this
committee
and
this
board
for
for
review
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
exercising
our
appropriate
oversight
on
these
expenditures,
particularly
the
big
ticket
items,
and
so
those
items
that
were
pulled
to
to
sean's
point.
E
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
are
coming
forward,
the
two
items
today
and
then
there's
there
were,
I
think,
a
total
of
nine
that
we
we
pulled
out
of
the
book
going
forward
and
we
think
it's
important
and
I
think
some
of
the
questions
that
I
mean
that
we
asked
today
as
part
of
the
the
budget
review
process
as
we
go
through
departments.
E
E
I
thought
those
questions
might
happen
then,
and
they
didn't
always
happen
and
so
again,
as
we
go
forward
with
all
this
additional
information
to
also
be
thinking
about
asking
those
questions
when
that,
when
a
particular
department
comes
through
talking
about
the
individual
budget,
to
ask
questions
about
things
and
if
and
in
that
process,
if
there
are
some
that
makes
sense
at
that
point
to
pull
out
that
we
flag
it,
then,
instead
of
wait
until
right
before
we
adopt
the
budget,
so
I
just
wanted
to
like
in
terms
of
a
big
process.
E
O
So
the
thing
I
want
to
point
out
here,
as
we
look
at
this
item
and
we
see
contract
well
path,
what
we're
identifying
there
is
what's
in
the
budget
book
that
is
who
currently
has
the
contract.
So
I
think
that
that's
very
important
to
understand
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
when
the
contract
lapses.
This
one
will
lapse,
I
believe,
the
end
of
february
correct
yeah
in
22.,
so
that
doesn't
mean
that
that's
going
to
be
the
same,
contractor
we're
just
using
that
as
identification
purpose
that
that
is
who
is
currently
the
vendor.
O
F
Sure
I
mean
I'll
just
give
a
little
bit
of
an
overview.
Obviously
we
had
started
this
bid
process
early.
This
is
a
huge
undertaking.
Obviously,
for
the
sheriff's
office
providing
jail.
Health
services
is,
is
no
small
task,
so
we
started
the.
We
worked
with
sean's
team
in
purchasing
and
directly
with
our
buyer
following
all
of
the
posted
procedures
and
policies.
F
As
far
as
a
bid
process
goes,
you
can
see
that
it
was
sent
out
at
the
beginning
of
september
and
that
the
bid
is
already
closed.
We've
gotten
two
responses
back.
It's
currently
an
evaluation.
So
obviously
I
can't
speak
to
anything.
That's
going
on,
I'm
not
on
the
evaluation
team,
but
there
are
six
members
in
you
know,
subject
area
or
subject
matter,
experts
in
the
sheriff's
office
that
are
reviewing
these
and
they
are
very
detailed.
They
are
very
technical.
F
Our
scope
of
services
is
25
pages
long
with
all
of
our
requirements.
So
there's
we're
asking
for
a
turnkey
solution.
That's
a
huge
undertaking
for
somebody
to
come
into
the
jail.
Obviously,
we
started
it
this
early
because
if
there
is
a
transition,
if
there's
a
change
in
vendors,
we
need
that
time
to
prepare
and
to
ramp
up
for
that.
So,
on
the
second
page
of
the
memo
we
have
highlighted
some
scope
changes.
F
One
of
the
things
that
we've
had
to
incorporate
into
this
next
contract
is
a
medical
or
medication,
assisted
treatment
program,
a
map
program
which
I
think
most
of
you
are
familiar
with-
that
we
have
an
agreement
right
now
with
ochn,
but
that's
actually
limited
to
oakland
county
residents,
so
working
with
corporation
council
and
and
purchasing
we
kind
of
realized.
Okay.
This
is
that
that
you
know
program
started
out
as
a
pilot
program.
It's
it's
still
in
existence.
It's
a
good
program,
but
we
can't
restrict.
F
You
know,
restrict
that
just
to
oakland
county
residents,
so
we've
been
working
with
our
current
vendor
and
then
obviously
incorporated
that
that's
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
deal.
Obviously,
opioid
use
has
become
an
epidemic
around
the
country
and
we
need
to
address
that
in
in
the
jail
setting,
so
obviously
staffing
in
a
pandemic
section.
Because,
prior
to
this,
we
had
never
experienced
anything
like
this,
so
while
the
population
of
the
jail
went
down
that
didn't
make
the
work
any
less,
because
obviously
there
was
testing,
there
was
quarantining.
F
You
know
moving
people
to
the
hospital.
There
was
just
a
whole
different
set
of
issues
that
had
to
be
addressed
so
and
just
like
every
other
company.
They
had
staffing
issues,
they
had
short
staffing
issues.
Obviously
they
had
employees
that
had
to
quarantine.
So
we
added
those
two
sections
just
because
I
I
mean
I'm
assuming
that's
going
to
happen
in
every
contract,
going
forward
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
some
contingency
plan
in
place.
F
If
you
know,
hopefully
we
never
experience
anything
like
this
again,
but
obviously
now
that
we
have.
We
know
that
we
have
to
have
that
language
in
there
also
an
I.t
review,
because,
as
you
know,
medical
records
are
very
private,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
requirements
is
to
have
a
comprehensive
review
of
their
I.t
system,
whether
they're
going
to
be
using
ours.
They
have
their
own
and
and
make
sure
that
they're
meeting
all
of
our
policies.
F
Another
one
of
the
big
changes
everything
used
to
be
done
on
paper
in
the
jail
the
inmates
could
submit
a
sick
like
they
call
it
a
sick
call
slip
or
a
grievance
slip
or
something
on
paper.
While
we've
implemented
smart
tablets,
so
they
get
their
mail
on
the
tablet.
They
can
do
a
sick
call
on
the
tablet.
They
can
do
a
number
of
things
on
the
tablet.
F
F
And
then
one
of
the
big
things
is,
we
normally
provide
the
previous
year's
inmate
population,
and
this
time
we
had
to
give
them
a
different
sample
here:
here's
our
normal
population
prior
to
the
pandemic,
and
then
here's
our
here's
our
pandemic
level.
So
we're
expecting
to
get
you
know
a
sliding
response
or
a
different
kind
of
response
than
just
hey.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do.
This
is
what
we
would
provide
for
this
many
inmates
that
that
you
always
have
so
like.
F
C
Thank
you
chair
first,
this
might
be
for
chair,
woodward
and
sean
the.
I
really
liked
the
memo
and
the
like
heads
up
forward
thinking.
So
we
could
have
this
conversation.
Is
this
going
to
be
something
we
should
expect
moving
forward,
or
is
this
something
that
usually
happens,
and
just
since
I'm
new,
I
didn't
know
that
that's
what
goes
on
the
memo
type
thing.
O
Yeah
the
12
contracts
that
were
pulled.
It
is
our
intention
to
provide
the
same
similar
format
as
we
come
before
the
finance
committee
and
give
a
memo.
Now
I
will
say
the
other
10
are
not
in
the
bid
process.
These
two
were
and
that's
why
it
was
important
for
us
to
get
in
front
of
the
commission.
I
do
want
to
commend
both
the
sheriff's
office,
the
hr
department
and
certainly
the
purchasing
department.
I've
been
in
a
lot
of
places
and
provide
a
lot
of
advice
and
counsel
for
procurement.
O
There
is
a
lot
of
times,
especially
with
a
big
contract
like
this,
that
people
don't
get
things
out
on
time
and
pretty
soon.
The
reason
this
is
so
important
that
it
went
out
when
it
did
is
if
it
is
expiring
at
the
end
of
february,
you
need
to
account
that
there
might
be
a
potential
change
in
the
vendor
that
it
will
not
go
back
to
the
incumbent,
and
if
there
is
a
change,
then
you
need
that
three
to
four
months,
especially
with
the
service
like
health
to
allow
for
for
that
latitude.
O
Otherwise,
you
get
into
a
situation
where
you
have
to
do
an
extension
to
the
existing
contractor,
who
might
have
lost
the
bid
and
they're
going
to
jack
up
their
pricing.
So
this
is
a
responsible
contracting
and
government
services
that
is
being
done
here
as
well.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
to
that.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
then,
another
question
about
how
these
things
work.
There's
something
in
our
summary
sheet
that
talks
about
the
finance
committee
and
board
can
object
to
a
contract
with
in
the
form
of
a
resolution
within
30
days
of
notification.
C
Does
that
mean,
if
say,
for
example,
well
path
gets
the
contract
again
and
one
of
the
county
commissioners
doesn't
like
that
they're
involved
in
a
class-action
lawsuit
about
being
bad
at
their
job.
We
would
have
until
would
that
be
january,
20th
2022,
or
would
it
be
march
28
2022?
What's
the
30
days?
Where
is
it
30
days
from
now.
O
Well,
first
of
all,
the
30
days
would
have
to
do
with
if
there
wasn't
so
was
it
in
the
budget
appendix
the
answer
is
yes,
it
was
we
proceed
with
an
rfp,
we
negotiate
enter
a
contract
and
then
we
send
a
copy
in
the
final
over
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
O
C
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
so
I
had
a
question
for
you
gaia
about
the
medically
assisted
treatment,
the
one
that's
great
to
see.
Does
that
include
because
I'm
thinking
back
to
what
the
sheriff
has
said
about,
I
just
remember
when
meeting
with
him,
he
said
the
biggest
mental
health
facility
in
america
is
the
la
county
jail
right
and
I
think
he
says
that
right
under
sheriff's
nodding,
so.
F
This
is,
in
addition,
too,
so
this
is
a
change
in
the
scope.
That's
already
in
that.
That's
an
existing!
You
know,
medication,
that's
that's
that's
already
being
administered.
This
is
a
new,
a
new
program
that
we
went
to
and
then
there
there's
some
part
of
this
and
we'll
see
what
comes
out
in
the
proposals.
C
F
There
would
be
a
continuum
of
care,
hopefully
that
that
part
of
it
as
well.
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
just
one
comment,
which
is:
I
don't
like
well
path
because
I've
seen
from
looking
that
they're
involved
in
a
class-action
lawsuit
in
the
state
because
they
have
been
bad,
not
in
oakland,
county
jail
but
elsewhere.
That
doesn't
bode
well,
in
my
opinion,
for
them
or
the
quality
of
their
work.
H
So
recently
we
had
a
situation
in
our
jail.
Dealing
with
a
intake
that
took
place
and
the
individual
was
mis
inspected
or
checked
on
is
that
nurse
affiliated
with
the
current
vendor?
Is
it
with
this
health
clinic?
Is
that
where
that
process
is
overseen
and
if
so,
have
that
situation
been
addressed,
and
I
just
wanted
that
to
be
on
our
radar,
because,
if
we're
looking
at
bids
now,
this
current
company
made
a
huge
well,
their
nurse
employee
made
a
huge
mistake.
M
M
H
M
H
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
I
mean
clearly
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
best
medical
care
at
the
lowest
possible
costs
going
going
forward.
How
is
this?
Well,
let
me,
I
guess,
there's
two
questions
like
the
first
thing
is
to
say
so:
we're
contracting
out
for
this.
Has
there
ever
been
any
exploration
of
bringing
these
services
in-house
I
mean.
Is
there
yeah
and.
M
They
used
to
be
in
yes,
sir,
they
used
to
be
in-house
okay
and
we
contracted
out
several
many
years
ago.
I
can't
tell
you
how
far
back
right,
but
one
of
the
advantages
we
have
with
this
certain
relationship
right
now
is
the
head
administrator
in
the
jail
used
to
work
for
us
at
oakland
county
in
our
jail
health
clinic,
and
then
the
regional
manager
also
used
to
work
and
was
previously
in
a
supervisory
position
for
oakland
county.
But
when
we
contracted
the
services
they
were
both
hired
by
this
company
and
remained
in
our
facility.
E
Have
we
explored
possibly
bringing
I
mean
those
services
back
in
and
I
guess
I
bring
up
in
the
context
of
I
mean
public
health,
a
public
health
department.
Has
there
been
any
analysis
of
that?
I
mean.
I
know
that
we're
already
out
to
bid
in
this
process,
but
I
mean
I
think
it
should
it.
It
follows
that
after
every
three
five
year
period
of
time
that
I
mean
that
we
should
maybe
be
asking
that
question,
does
it
make
sense
at
some
point
to
bring
these
things
into
it?.
M
Actually,
we
used
to
be
under
the
health
department,
not
under
the
sheriff's
office,
and
so
this
was
contracted
out
under
the
previous
administration
and
it
was
the
health
department
they
weren't.
I
said
they
were
not
sheriff's
employees.
I
should
correct
that
they
were
they're
health
department
departments,
employees.
Yes,
the
nurses.
E
M
E
Okay,
the
I
guess
I
mean
related
to
that.
So
this
is
like
a
contract-
that's
basically
5.6
million
dollars
annually
and
in
that,
so
how
do
we
pay?
Do
we
pay
on
a
per
per
population
fee,
or
do
we
pay
a
flat
rate
on
like
a
monthly
basis
and
like
does
it
fluctuate
based
on
our
population
numbers?
Obviously
we
went
very
low
and
did
we
get
a
savings
then?
Or
was
it
a
flat
rate
across
the
board.
F
E
F
F
And
we
get
an
accounting
from
them.
I
don't
know
if
it's
monthly
or
quarterly,
but
basically
they
they
have
an
analyst
that
breaks
it
all
down.
And
then
we
look
at
all
their
reports
saying
you
know
we
were.
We
were
under
budget
because
we
didn't
have
staffing
or
we
were
over
budget
because
of
you
know
we
had
some
overtime
or
something
like
that.
So
we
get
detailed
reports
from
them
on
what
happened
in
the
prior
period
that
we're
getting
billed
for.
Okay,.
E
E
There
are
co-pays
that
are
built
into
the
copays
from
the
that
we
cover
the
copay
when
they're
in
our.
E
E
Got
it?
No,
it's
definitely
not
right
great.
So,
okay,
you
guys
about
the
payment.
The
fact
that
we
only
have
medicaid
and
you
get
arrested
the
fact
that
there's
only
two
bids
I
mean.
Is
there
a
concern
that
either
that
there's
what
there
aren't
enough
players
in
this
market?
I
mean,
I
guess,
I'm
a
little
curious
around
like
if
they're
only
one
or
two
vendors
providing
the
service
in
the
jails
all
over
michigan
it
I
mean
with
only
two
bids.
E
O
I'll
just
make
a
general
statement
in
regards
to
procurement
overall
and
then,
if
the
sheriff's
office,
gaia
would
like
to
make
a
comment,
or
maybe
scott
gutsy,
but
I
would
say
just
in
general,
given
the
disruption
and
supply
chain,
we've
seen
fewer
bitter
responses
across
the
board,
not
just
here
in
other
places
as
well,
because
of
the
lack
of
predictability
going
forward.
O
So
there's
a
tentativeness
and
a
drawback
from
some
companies
to
be
bidding
and
we're
seeing
that
not
just
in
oakland
county
that
that's
happening
across
the
state
but
I'll
just
make
that.
As
a
general
comment.
F
And
then,
as
as
far
as
just
having
the
two,
they
were
given
any
potential
better
was
given
an
opportunity
to
walk
through
in
the
jail.
Excuse
me:
could
you
speak
into
the
mic,
so
any
potential
vendor
was
given
the
opportunity,
and
at
least
one
that
I
know
took
advantage
of
a
walk
through
in
the
jail
to
see
the
facilities,
and
then
we
also
received.
I
know
from
at
least
one
a
60
question
questionnaire
about
clarification
in
that.
O
And
can
I
answer
yes,
scott
guzman's
on
the
phone,
I
think
dave.
The
current
well
path
actually
is
the
they
assumed
the
contract
we
had
from
16
from
correctional
care
services
they
bought
them
out
and
one
of
the
other
vendors
that
responded
in
2016.
They
bought
them.
Also.
E
No-
and
I
like
that-
and
I
think
I
mean
my
sense-
is
that
there's
probably
also
I
mean
the
type
labor
market
that
everyone's
facing
right
now,
that
I
mean
puts
pressure
on
right
now
and
so
that
if
we
I
mean
move
forward
here
I
mean
I
would
strongly.
I
mean
whatever
the
award
is-
is
to
have
a
really
good
evaluation.
Three
years
out.
Does
it
make
sense
to
put
out
to
bid
to
be
able
to
possibly
take
advantage
of
some
additional
cost
savings
in
a
competitive
market?
E
That's
a
little
bit
more
flush
with
with
labor
to
do
its
work.
I
can
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
evaluation
process
and
I
know
it's
like
listed
on
here
of
a
lot
I
mean
you
said
it
was
like
six
members,
seven
members
on
the
evaluation
team:
six.
E
E
Got
it
okay,
and
then
I
mean
I
guess
in
terms
do
we
have,
I
mean
a
mix
of
gender
and
people
of
color.
I
guess
I
mean
evaluating
this.
Yes,.
F
E
We
do
fantastic,
okay,
I'm
good
for
now.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
cavell
yeah.
C
Thanks
to
a
second
time,
yeah
chair,
woodward,
made
me
think
of
something
how
many
nurses
or
practitioners
or
people
providing
health
care
are
there
at
any
given
time
in
the
jail.
If
you
just
happen
to
know,
I
know
that's
not
in
the
direction.
C
M
We're
staffed
seven
days
a
week,
24
hours
a
day,
yep.
We
also
have
a
full-time.
It's
not
through
well
path
through
ochn.
As
you
know,
a
full-time
psychiatrist.
What
40
hours
a
week
we're
one
of
the
few
jails
in
michigan
that
provides
a
psychiatric
services.
That's
separate
from
well
path,
but
this
the
staffing
is
based
upon.
You
don't
have
as
many
nurses
on
the
midnight
shift
as
you
do
on
days
and
afternoons.
C
M
O
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
was
clarifying
the
point
when
we
talked
about
the
30-day
requirement:
that's
if
there's
not
an
appropriation.
So
if,
if
there's
a
contract
that
was
not
identified
and
we're
moving
forward-
and
there
was
an
appropriation-
we
of
course
need
to
come
back
to
the
board
of
commissioners
here.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
was
clarifying
that
point.
A
A
Okay
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much.
Next
up
we
have
item
b,
another
contract,
the
seagull
company,
midwest
states,
incorporated
human
resources,
benefits
consulting
I
and
the
re.
The
recommendation
here
would
also
be
to
the
full
board
to
receive
and
file.
So
I
need
a
motion.
Commissioner,
charles
supported
by
commissioner
powell
good
afternoon
again.
O
Good
afternoon
you
already
heard
my
prelude,
so
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
again,
but
just
as
again
a
reminder,
the
segal
company
is
the
current
incumbent.
It
does
not
mean
that
that's
the
contract
before
you
it's
the
current
contractor
that
was
listed
in
the
book
so
with
that
I'll
I'll
turn
it
over
to
april.
L
Sure,
thank
you
so
much
so.
Human
resources
benefits
consulting
is
very
common
throughout
organizations
who
have
health
care
benefits.
The
primary
goal
of
this
consultant
is
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
in
compliance,
which
is
very
heavy
in
the
hr
department.
It's
the
primary
one
of
their
big
focuses
is
making
sure
we're
in
compliance
everywhere
from
our
health
care
plans
to
cobra
everything
you
can
think
of
for
both
retirees
and
our
active.
L
So
that's
a
big
component
of
what
they
do
is
making
sure
that
we're
in
compliance,
the
other
focus
that
they
do
for
this
particular
area.
Is
they
help
us
with
plan
design?
They
also
help
with
all
vendor
management.
So
when
we
go
out
for
bid
for
all
of
our
health
care
companies,
insurance
companies
they're
there
to
help
support
us
in
that
area
as
well,
but
they
also
one
of
the
big
components
and
one
of
the
big
benefits
of
having
an
hr
consultant
for
benefits.
L
E
Thank
you.
I
mean
compliance,
absolutely
critical
and
important.
The
cost
savings
side
of
things
and
I
and
what
I
don't
know
about
how
this
I
mean
gets
structured,
I
mean,
is
it
I
mean?
Do
we
have
like
a
target
goal?
I
mean
would
say
our
saving
goals
I
mean.
Are
they
are
those
goals
that
get
developed
like
after
we
have
someone
in
there
working
with
us,
or
do
we
say?
E
Listen,
we
want
to
figure
out
how
to
either
hold
costs
over
the
next
three
years
or
try
to
reduce
cost
10
over
the
next
three
years.
I
mean
the
cost
for
this
contract
to
be
able
to
help
accomplish
those
things
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
what
I,
how
how
do
we
evaluate
that
and
then,
if
we're
not
hitting
those
goals
like
what's
the
process
that
we
would
undergo.
L
Sure
so,
as
sean
has
mentioned
before,
we
have
a
get
out
of
the
contract
clause
in
there,
but
typically
through
the
process
of
interviewing
them.
We
also
ask
them
what
their
experience
is
in
those
health
care
cost
savings,
some
of
their
big
success
rates
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
tend
to
make
sure
that
we
ask
those
questions
within
the
interview
process,
but
if
we're
not
hitting
those
markers
and
they're
not
providing
us
what
we
need
to
hit
our
goals,
we
would
go
back
out
for
a
bit.
E
Great,
I
mean
related,
and
this
is
I
mean,
I
think
something
for
us
to
think
to
consider
and
something
that
shawn
said
reminded
me
that,
as
we
in
the
budget
appropriated
money
in
the
budget
for
all
these
professional
contracts,
I'm
pulling
the
ones
that
we
look
at
that
hit
a
higher
threshold
over
the
the
lifetime
of
the
contract.
That's
currently
up
to
bid.
We
got
a
healthy,
I
think,
number
of
bids
in
this
14
bids.
E
If
a
bid
comes
in
higher
than
what
we
estimate
the
annual
cost
to
be,
then
there's
like
this
question
of
well
we've
kind
of
appropriated
a
amount
based
on
what
we
currently
are
experiencing.
If
it
comes
in
higher,
then
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
adjustment,
either
through
a
quarterly
report
or
something
to
reflect
that.
But
if
it
comes
in
lower
which,
when
we
put
out
the
bid-
and
you
get
14
people
like
fighting
for
this
book
of
business,
you
hope
it
comes
in
lower
and
then
there's
a
margin
of
savings.
E
That's
in
incorporated-
and
I
just
think
that
the
finance
committee
I
think,
needs
to
discuss
like
how
do
we
want
to
like
address
that
I
mean
so.
This
is
money
that
we
don't
need
to
expand.
It's
not
licensed
to
go
out
and
spend
that
money
elsewhere.
It's
also
not.
We
don't
want
to
be
gifting
the
dollars
elsewhere.
It's
like
how
do
we
want
to
track
those
dollars
it
makes.
E
Certainly
I
mean
that
those
I
mean
again
that
those
saving
dollars
are
incorporated
and
aren't
not
just
redirected
to
other
things,
so
I
mean
more
flagging
and
not
so
much
a
a
question
to
deputy
executive
lynch
here,
but
I
think
these
are
the
type
of
questions
I
think
through
the
finance
I
mean
through
the
process
the
budget
process
going
forward
that
we
want
to
be
very
mindful
of
and
looking
at
and
some
sort
of
analysis
I
mean,
as
these
rfps
come
in,
because
I
mean
we
hope,
with
the
competitively
bid
process
that
we're
going
to
get
the
best
price
we
obviously
want
to.
E
I
mean
we
want
the
highest
quality
at
the
lowest
price
possible
and
then
how?
How
does
that,
like?
I
said
spread:
how
do
we
make
certain
that
those
I
mean
those
available
dollars
are
best
being
being
spent
and
that's
from
our
from
an
oversight
and
a
budgetary
perspective.
That's
our
responsibility
to
be
a
partner
with
the
administration,
fiscal
services
and
all
the
respective
departments.
E
E
Yes,
next
well
same
question
on
the
evaluation
committee:
okay,
who
is
on
the
evaluation?
How
many
people.
L
Me
and
then
my
my
benefits
team,
and
then
we
had
somebody
from
one
of
our
chiefs
over
at
fiscal
who
kind
of
oversees.
The
fringe
benefit
fund.
Was
there
as
well.
Okay,.
E
The
reason
I'm
asking
this
question
too
is
I
mean,
as
we
look
I
mean
going
forward
and
some
of
the
priorities
I
know.
That's
that's
been
adopted
and
as
a
county
I
mean
reform
to
the
procurement
process
to
make
certain
that
we've
got
like
the
right
mix
of
people
there.
I
mean
people
inside
the
department,
but
people
also
outside
the
department
and
making
certain
that
and
we've
got
diverse
pool
people
that,
knowing
I
mean
the
folks
over
there.
The
answer
is
yes
all
right.
Thank
you.
C
Chair,
I
just
was
curious,
and
you
might
have
mentioned
this,
so
forgive
me,
but
the
range
in
the
memo
of
cost
the
possible
contract
size
is
very
big.
A
Unanimously,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
note
that
commissioner
mcgilvery
and
commissioner
charles
have
both
left
the
meeting,
not
because
they
wanted
to
go,
have
lunch,
but
they
are
off
to
the
parks
commission
meeting,
which
is
at
one
o'clock,
so
I'm.
A
A
I
need
a
motion
commissioner
powell,
supported
by
commissioner
cabell.
Thank
you,
charles
cavill,
kavel,
charles
you
guys.
You
know
messes
with
my
head
after
four
hours
of
doing
this.
Thank
you
dave
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
good
afternoon,
mr
ward,.
J
Again,
so,
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee.
If
you
remember
about
30
days
ago,
or
so
I
was
before
you
with
a
draft
a
document,
these
are
meant
to
be
objective
evaluation
standards
for
proposed
arp
spending
proposals.
J
Our
hope,
as
an
administration
was
to
enter
into
this
jointly
with
the
board
of
commissioners,
as
proposals
are
brought
forward.
So
we
have,
you
know
something
common
and
objective:
to
look
at
and
evaluate
prior
to
proposals
being
brought
to
us
being
brought
to
you.
You
provided
some
feedback
during
the
meeting
and
I
made
some
adjustments
and
edits
and
sent
them
back
over.
So
I
mean
I
can
go
through
those
if
you'd
like
or
answer
questions.
A
C
Thanks
cheer
hi
chris
there's
an
old
version
in
the
packet
and
a
new
version,
and
from
my
scanning
and
counting
bullet
points,
I
couldn't
figure
out
what
the
difference
was.
J
Sure
I
can
go
over
it
real
quick,
so
you
know
the
notes
I
had
you
know
one
of
the
major
points
was
there
wasn't
the
detail
underneath
the
county
operations
and
services,
so
we
filled
that
in
chairman,
woodward
had
brought
up
wanting
economic
security
as
well
as
housing
and
food
and
security.
Not
only
the
commissioner
markham
had
brought
up
child
care,
so
we've
included
that
within
the
workforce
section
there
mr
kowal
had
brought
up.
J
You
know
singling
out
sewer
and
water
infrastructure,
so
that
was,
you
know,
clarified
in
there
as
well.
So.
C
J
So
these
are
sort
of
broadly
the
priority
for
expenditure.
You
know
the
prior
to
that
in
this
document
are
kind
of
the
evaluation
criteria.
Yes,
that's
where
you're
getting
into
leveraging-
and
you
know,
equity
issues
how
it
relates
back
to
covet
et
cetera,
isn't
it
sustainable
investments.
A
I
just
want
to
say
that
the
purpose
of
this,
in
my
view,
is
for
us
to
have
out
in
front
of
us
a
plan
of
how
we're
going
to
go
about
this
and
we've
all
kind
of
agreed,
not
kind
of
we.
We
will
have
agreed
once
this
gets
accepted,
that
these
are
the
steps
we're
going
to
go
through,
and
I
think
that's
very
helpful
for
everybody
in
the
county
who
is
trying
to
figure
out?
A
Can
we
spend
arpa
funds
in
a
specific
way?
You
know,
we've
had
so
much
money
moving
through
oakland
county
since
really
the
cares
act
right
and-
and
we
are
expecting
we'll
see
more
in
the
future.
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
exercise
and
thing
to
have
put
together.
That
says
this
is
what
we're
looking
for.
A
If
you
want
to
spend
money,
you
have
to
come
forward
and
answer
all
these
questions,
and
I,
I
think
that's
going
to
smooth
the
process
and
also
elevate
the
details
to
a
point
where
everybody
who
is
interested
can
kind
of
go.
Oh
yeah,
that
makes
sense,
or
why
is
that
number?
12
million
kind
of
thing,
so
I
I
appreciate
that
you
did
this.
This
is
specific.
I
want
to
make
this
point.
This
is
specific
to
the
american
rescue
plan
funds.
This
isn't
related
to
cares.
Act,
it's
not
general
fund
dollars.
A
This
is
american
rescue
plan
funds.
How
will
we
define
and
allocate
those
funds
to
match
up
with
what
they're
supposed.
J
A
Correct,
I
I
have
heard
from
the
local
governments
as
well.
As
you
know,
people
we
talk
to
around
here.
How
do
we
even
get
started
right?
You
know,
and
I
think
this
is
really
a
great
step
for
us.
It's
going
to
be
traceable,
it's
going
to
be
something
that
we
all
can
understand.
So
I
thank
you
for
pulling
this
together.
Mr
ward,
it's
one
of
your
real
strong
suits
that
you
can
kind
of
sort
through
this
kind
of
thing
and
have
it
make
sense
for
us.
So
I
appreciate
that
about
you.
D
C
B
A
A
I
am
hoping
that
everybody
has
taken
a
look
at
the
draft
and,
if
you
have
anything
you
want
to
add
or
change
in
this,
we
still
have
time
to
do
that.
We're
just.
This
is
really
trying
to
work
up
a
process
for
ourselves
among
the
board
of
commissioners
for
how
we're
going
to
evaluate
our
own
projects.
A
C
Thanks,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
that
after
if
the
study
committee
or
the
study
group
says
it's
a
great
project,
let's
do
it
the
normal
board.
The
boc,
departmental
and
county
procedures
means
that
there
will
have
to
be
a
resolution,
so
the
study
group
can
recommend
it
down
a
resolutions
graph.
B
A
A
A
A
A
G
G
I
I
think
we
added
three
departments.
If
I'm
counting
correctly
the
environmental
department.
Now
we
have
the
public
communications
department
and
now
we've
got
indigent
legal
department,
they're
brand
new
departments.
This
is
permanent
inflationary
costs
for
our
county
and
the
government
at
the
federal
level,
is
already
creating
horrible
inflationary
costs
for
our
country.
G
G
I
actually
used
to
work
in
finance
for
almost
four
decades,
so
I
don't
feel
like
I'm
ill
informed
of
those
matters,
but
I
am
very
concerned
because
at
a
federal
level,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
seem
to
realize
all
of
the
government
we
pay
for.
G
G
We
have
25
percent
of
our
jobs
in
oakland
county
that
are
gone
that
I
know
of
who
knows
in
reality.
I
don't
know
if
it's
been
updated,
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
businesses
with
buildings
that
are
vacant,
and
it
concerns
me
that
we're
spending
a
lot
of
money
to
create
departments.
When
really
it's
policy,
that's
more
important.
You
can
have
a
policy
that
you
can
no
longer
fill
in
wetlands
and
build
over
it.
That
will
actually
have
more
positive
effect
for
the
green
environment
than
all
these
spending
initiatives
for
everything
else.
G
We
have
an
awful
lot
that
we
have
self-inflicted
on
our
country,
self-inflicted
on
our
economy,
and
we
have
people
in
congress
that
don't
seem
to
comprehend
when
you
print
money,
all
the
money.
That's
out
there
goes
down
in
value,
so
everybody
is
suffering
the
same
price
increases
and
cost
increases
and
real
inflationary
is
ex
higher
than
I
can
recall
since
probably
the
early
80s.