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A
So
good
afternoon,
everybody
I
would
like
to
call
the
August
16th
meeting
of
the
finance
committee
budget
hearings
to
order.
Please
call
the
roll.
C
Wiper,
oh
I
am
here
Marco
Okay.
A
Okay
and
we
do
not
need
a
quorum
to
operate
this
meeting,
because
we
are
going
to
vote
on
anything
you're,
just
making
presentations
to
us
and
so
on,
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
so
that
we
don't
delay
you
just
because
some
of
our
memories
didn't
make
it
here
yet.
So,
let's
all
rise
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
I
pledge.
A
F
B
Did
mention
that
we
brought
a
big
team
with
us
today,
but
that's
in
part,
because
we
have
a
very
big
team
right
facilities,
management,
we're
at
about
215
people
in
the
department
and
just
a
recap
of
who
we
are
and
what
we
do.
We
have
three
divisions:
we
have
about
the
FM,
no
division,
the
maintenance
and
Operations
Division
Support.
B
We
have
the
planning
and
Engineering
division,
we're
responsible
for
all
the
buildings
on
campus,
as
well
as
a
handful
of
satellite
buildings,
which
I
think
we're
right
around
40
buildings
right
now
right
around
2
million
square
feet
of
Office
Space.
B
So
that's
why
we
have
so
many
folks
here
to
help
answer.
Whatever
questions
you
may
have
I'll,
let
the
folks
at
the
table
here
introduce
themselves.
I
just
want
to
point
out
too
that
we
have
other
key
members
of
our
team
here
on
the
sidelines
that
can
help
answer
questions.
If
we,
you
know,
need
some
technical
details
as
well
as
my
good
friend
Aaron
quetel.
B
Over
there,
we
had
planned
on
Aaron
and
I
presenting
on
the
same
day,
but
I
was
on
vacation
last
week,
but
she
was
kind
enough
to
join
us
because,
of
course,
we
worked
so
closely
with
her
and
her
team
and
so
much
of
what
we
do
focuses
on
sustainability,
so
Joe.
If
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
in
your
position,.
B
Question.
Thank
you.
Any
questions
before
we
get
started.
Stephanie
is
going
to
lead
us
through
the
slides
that
we
have.
Stephanie
is
she's,
probably
just
wrapping
up
the
toughest
two
months
of
her
year,
because
she
all
of
all
of
the
budget
stuff
funnels
through
her.
B
She
really
helps
to
pull
this
whole
thing
together,
so
she's
going
to
take
the
lead
on
walking
through
the
slides
and
the
information,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
along
the
way
you
know
feel
free
to
stop
us
and,
if
not,
we'll,
answer
your
questions
at
the
end.
Okay,.
A
K
All
right,
so
our
current
Department
goals
and
objectives
are
identified
in
our
headline
key
performance
indicators.
Our
first
kpi
is
carbon
emissions
and
we've
partnered
with
the
sustainability
office
and
are
working
to
reduce
our
carbon
footprint
and
our
campus
buildings,
as
well
as
our
County
Fleet.
K
We
are
identifying
areas
for
fiscal
efficiencies,
energy,
Independence
and
carbon
neutrality
by
tracking
our
energy
use,
fuel
consumption
and
exploring
alternative
energy
sources.
Our
next
kpi
is
the
ratio
of
waste
recycles
versus
waste
sent
to
the
landfill.
Our
goal
is
to
increase
the
amount
of
recycled
waste
and
decrease
the
amount
of
landfill.
We
are
able
to
understand
our
impact
on
the
environment
by
tracking
this
contract
percent
of
bids
received
from
Minority
women
and
veteran-owned
businesses
is
our
third
kpi.
K
Kpi
number
four
is
regarding
the
number
of
employee
injuries,
tracking
safety,
related
incidents
and
employee
injuries
is
vital
to
our
understanding
of
how
our
safety
programs
and
procedures
are
working.
This
allows
us
to
identify
areas
of
concern
and
explore
opportunities
for
prevention
and
additional
training.
Our
fifth
kpi
is
employee
training.
Safety
of
every
employee
is
our
number
one
priority
here
with
Facilities
Management,
to
enhance
our
department,
culture
and
safety
and
continuing
education.
K
K
How
are
we
working
to
improve
performance
in
our
department,
some
additional
ways
that
we've
used
our
budget
and
as
well
as
additional
resources
such
as
arpa
funding?
We've
been
able
to
complete
some
AV
upgrades
to
our
conference
room
that
allowed
us
the
opportunity
to
repurpose
the
existing
equipment
and
create
a
second
space
for
increase
and
demand
for
virtual
meetings.
K
New
collaborations
has
also
been
working
with
it
to
transition
their
web
to
a
web-based
fleet
and
complete
data
system.
This
system
is
creating
operational
efficiencies
and
will
allow
them
to
track
their
kpi
data.
Vehicle
operations.
Technicians
are
also
receiving
training
from
General
Motors,
currently
to
obtain
the
Knowledge
and
Skills
necessary
to
service
electric
vehicles.
In-House
for
operational
efficiencies.
Cross-Training
of
employees
has
also
been
taking
place
with
the
mail
center
and
record
retention
staff,
and
one
big
win
is
this
year.
Fml
was
able
to
integrate
solar
energy
technology
into
our
first
campus
Building.
B
K
A
bunch
of
changes
for
fiscal
year
24.
this
year,
facilities,
management,
minimal
funding,
shifts
or
adjustments
view
collaborations
budget
Revenue
estimate
has
increased
due
to
higher
than
normal
used
vehicle
prices.
They're.
Currently
estimating
an
increase
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
gain
of
gain
on
the
sale
of
vehicles
and
fmno
is
requesting
one-time
Capital
Equipment
purchases
to
improve
operational
efficiencies,
reduce
repair
costs
and
reduce
risk
of
injury
due
to
aging
and
outdated
equipment.
K
Our
anticipated
I.T
projects,
the
Facilities
Management,
are
anticipating
the
following
IT
projects
this
year,
facilities,
maintenance
and
operations
is
anticipating
continued
I.T
support
for
our
building
management
system,
which
is
CIP
funded
facilities.
Playing
engineering
is
anticipating
the
opportunity
to
select
and
Implement
a
resource
planning
software
that
will
Aid
in
staff.
Workload.
Balancing
as
well
as
scheduling
of
projects
and
support
services,
is
anticipating
I.T
support
with
their
faster
Fleet
database.
K
L
Right.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
a
few
questions
being
a
little
bit
newer
to
this
role.
I
may
ask
some
some
simpler
questions,
but
the
first
question
is:
does
this
budget
offer
you
the
ability
to
take
care
of
additional
buildings
and
Facilities,
including
potentially,
whatever
may
be
coming
down
the
pipeline
with
this
new
acquisition.
B
It
does
as
far
as
we're
concerned
it
like
having
the
Staffing
that's
needed.
One
of
the
things
that
we
had
a
meeting
about
this
morning
is
actually
adding
additional,
at
least
one
additional
staff
member
to
to
at
least
get
us
through
the
design
and
construction
of
what
we
need.
E
B
Down
there,
so
short
answer
is
yes:
in
future
years,
you
know
years,
maybe
two
three
from
now
we'll
have
to
reevaluate
that,
but
we
feel
comfortable
where
we're
at
right.
Now.
Yes,.
B
And
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
firemen
group
who
is
an
outside
consultant
is
they're
currently
working
on
a
contract
that
will
allow
them
to
manage
and
operate
those
facilities
down
there
for
the
next
12
months.
That
allows
us
to
not
have
to
pull
resources
from
what
we're
doing
now,
and
then
we
can
focus
on,
like
I,
said
the
planning
of
what
we
want
to
do
down
there
and
then
act
actually
implementing
the
improvements
so
that
we
can
get
to
a
point
of
moving
staff
in.
L
Okay,
thank
you.
The
next
question
I
had
is,
and
commissioner
Markham,
you
can
help
me
with
this.
It's
a
Lee.
Is
it
lead
certified
by
2030?
Is
that
do
you
remember
I,
don't
remember
what
the
goal
was,
but
if
you
could
refresh
my
memory
on
I
guess
what
our
goal
is
and
where
we
are
on
the
timeline
to
achieving
that
goal.
Yeah
so.
B
M
Yeah,
so
it's
a
greenhouse
gas
emissions
reduction,
and
so
the
goal
is
to
have
an
interim
goal
of
50
reduction
by
2035
life
and
the
carbon
neutrality
by
2050,
and
just
everything
that
kind
of
goes
with
that.
That
graph,
that
was
up
earlier
with
the
full
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
shows
where
our
largest
emitters
were
in
facilities
and
our
Fleet
being
the
two
largest
and
so
focusing
in
those
areas
for
a
greenhouse
gas
reduction.
M
Yeah
so
we
last
year
we
or
this
past
year
we
agreed
to
procure
75
of
our
energy
from
solar
and
because
we're
a
third
party
purchaser
of
our
energy
we're
not
technically
DTE
customers,
and
that
gets
us.
So
that's
going
to
start
in
2028
and
the
age
or
20
26
26
excuse
me
and
the
that
will
be
40
reduction.
So
just
that
act
alone
is
a
40
reduction.
L
L
And
then
my
last
question
Madam
chair,
so
yesterday
we
heard
some
presentations
from
a
few
of
the
other
departments,
and
you
know
I,
just
I
wanted
to
understand,
get
a
better
understanding
of
kind
of
what
would
be
involved
with
certain
projects.
L
For
instance,
I
know
we
had
heard
from
our
County
Clerk
and
had
mentioned
you
know
things
like
fire
suppression,
which
I
understand
is
a
pretty
big
undertaking.
You
know
millions
of
dollars
a
generator
as
well
as
something
that
she
had
asked
for.
L
I
know
here
in
our
Board
of
Commissioners
Auditorium
in
ADA,
Compliant
bathroom,
so
things
like
that,
if
you
could
just
speak
to
maybe
some
of
these
projects
I'm
sure
there
are
many
more
and
the
other
Commissioners
may
have
some
other
thoughts
or
ideas
as
well.
But
these
were
just
some
things
that
came
across
our
radar.
Just
the
last
24
hours
and
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
the
ability
to
speak
to
any
of
them
or
a
timeline
or
kind
of
where
we're
heading
down
the.
B
Road
sure
yeah,
so
you
know
all
all
of
the
projects
that
you
mentioned
are
ones
that
we
have
been
talking
about
so
they're,
not
new.
B
We
you
know
over
the
past
couple
years,
were
heavily
engaged
in
a
study
to
help
us
evaluate
you
know
what
capital
needs.
We
have
right.
I
think
we
I
think
it
was.
B
Since
the
last
budget
hearings,
we
came
and
gave
a
presentation
to
the
board
on
what
our
findings
were
right
and
what
we
found
was
that
for
the
past
several
decades,
our
Capital
Improvement
plan
didn't
quite
have
the
funding
that
we
needed
to
to
keep
up,
and-
and
we
were
aware
of
that,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
things
that
that
were
being
juggled.
We
now
have
a
holistic
View
and
a
prioritized
list
of
the
things
that
you
know.
B
We
need
to
do
in
the
Years
moving
forward,
so
that
that's
fairly
recent-
and
you
know
now
that
we
are
where
we
are
with
the
the
Pontiac
deal.
B
You
know
I
think
our
our
road
moving
forward
is
much
clearer
and
you
know
the
the
projects
that
you
mentioned
are
focused
here
in
the
courthouse
and
again
these
these
discussions
are
fairly
recent.
But
you
know
our
focus
is
one
of
the
main
priorities.
Priorities
is
the
courthouse.
B
So
again,
you
know
keep
talking
about
this
tiny
little
project
that
we
just
picked
up
and
added
to
our
list
in
downtown
Pontiac,
but
I
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know
when,
when
we're
able
to
again
and
I
see
this
happening
fairly
soon,
when
we're
able
to
take
a
look
at,
you
know
what
other
funding
is
available
and
where
we're
going
to
be
able
to
allocate
that.
But
those
are
the
projects
we're
going
to
get
started
on
and
actually
the
ADA
toilet
room
in
this
area.
I
That's
in
the
capital
plan
right
now,
so
we're
working
on
design
of
that,
which
is
about
95,
complete
we're
expecting
to
bring
a
resolution
to
you
in
December
time
frame
to
approve
that
within
the
capital
plan
to
start
construction
shortly
after
okay.
L
So
potentially
q1
of
next
year
is
what
we're
looking
at
yeah.
Okay,
perfect!
Thank
you
yeah.
We
heard
like
as
I
mentioned
from
the
county
clerk
yesterday
and
it
sounds
like
the
need
is
very
real
in
terms
of
fire
suppression
and
a
generator
at
the
least
and
part
of
my
question
yesterday.
Is
you
know,
depending
on
what
this
new
Ottawa
Tower
is
going
to
yield
for
the
different
departments?
You
know
whether
there's
some
thought
of
that
may
be
one
of
many
departments
to
move
again.
They
haven't
specified.
L
You
know
who's
moving
or
what's
moving,
but
if
there's
a
thought
process
of
maybe
putting
some
of
these
things
in
while
the
building
is
empty
before
they
can
move,
obviously
I
would
defer.
You
know
to
you
and
your
expertise,
but
it
sounds
like
that's,
been
an
ongoing
problem
for
quite
some
time
for
their
Department.
B
A
Okay,
next
up,
we
have
commissioner
Smith
Charles,
followed.
O
By
commissioner
Cabell,
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I,
wanted
to
make
sure
to
mention
that
your
faces
mine
is
yours,
are
not
unfamiliar
to
me
and
many
of
us,
because
we
sit
on
EDI
and
we
get
to
hear
your
report
not
once
but
sometimes
twice
in
one
day
so
I
feel
like
today,
though,
with
fresh
eyes
and
talking
about
budgets
just
want
to
peel
back
a
couple
layers
a
little
bit
here.
O
My
question
is:
how
closely
do
you
work
with
those
folks
in
terms
of
identifying
like
facility
concerns
and
then
who
selects,
who
selects
the
order,
because
I
am
troubled
that
the
Sheriff's
Office
seems
to
have
gotten
first
now
we
share
a
lot
of
love
with
Pontiac.
So,
probably
if
it
was
in
any
other,
City
I'd
be
a
little
grieved
by
it
besides
baby
Royal
Township
but
yeah.
How
does
that
ordering
work?
Because
we
want
to?
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
at
the
table
to
advocate
for
ourselves.
B
Yeah,
so
not
an
easy
question
to
answer,
but
so
if
you'll
recall
right
going
all
the
way
back
to
to
how
you
started
the
question
about
you
know
if
you
remember
we're
looking
at
almost
a
billion
dollars
worth
of
work,
that
we've
determined
that
we
need
to
do
now,
that
billion
dollars
does
include
new
facilities
right,
which
are
more
discretionary
in
nature.
But
you
know,
without
those
you
know
we're
still
looking
at.
You
know
at
least
a
half
a
billion
to
three
quarter
billion
dollars
worth
of
work
right.
B
So
so,
as
you
can
imagine,
and
that's
why
I
said
it's
a
difficult
question
to
answer,
it's
very
difficult
to
to
try
to
manage
all
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
do,
because
we
don't
have
a
billion
dollars
sitting
around.
It's
not
like
you
know.
Facilities
Management
has
a
billion
dollars
and
we're
just
gonna.
You
know
do
what
we
want
with
it
right.
B
So,
as
funding
becomes
available
to
us,
then
we
do
take.
You
know
the
first
swing
at
you
know
what
we
think
should
be
prioritized.
You
know
priorities
and
those
typically,
you
know
those
decisions
revolve
around.
You
know
things
like
safety
and
things
that
have
you
know
a
good
return
on
our
investment
and
you
know
return
for
the
planet,
but
you
know
I
can
just
tell
you
based
on
my
experience.
You
know
even
then
there's
like
so
many
competing
projects
for
for
the
amount
of
funding.
B
G
B
B
In
those
you
know,
those
decisions
are
very
collaborative
what
you
know
we
do
to
answer.
You
know
your
other
question.
You
know
we
do
work
very
closely
with
the
Departments.
You
know
we
have
a
very
good
relationship
with
all
them
all
of
the
projects
that
you've
mentioned.
We
are
aware
of
them,
it's
not
that
we
are
not
aware
of
that.
B
B
You
know
we
just
might
not
always
have
the
resources
that
we
need
to
to
do
them
now
or
you
know,
or
to
be
doing
several
of
them.
At
the
same
time,.
O
So
allow
me
to
that
leads
right
into
my
next
question,
which
was
about
leading
or
lagging
metrics.
How
are
we
determining
best
use
for
space
because,
once
again,
hearing
from
departments
and
they're
like
oh,
we
have
no
break
room.
That's
not
a
that's!
Not
a
21st
century
problem!
That's
like
from
inception,
and
it's
just
it's
just
I-
do
understand
that
you
guys
are
basically
flying
the
plane
while
building
it
a
billion
dollars
of
deferred
maintenance
is
basically
what
I'm
hearing
right
now.
Yeah.
B
And
I
just
want
to
clarify
too,
like
that
also
includes,
like
I,
said
some
some
proposed
new
facilities,
so
I
wouldn't
call
it
a
billion
dollars
worth
of
deferred.
Maintenance
might
be
closer
to
a
half
a
billion
dollars
worth
of
deferred
maintenance.
But
but
considering
that
we
get
a
you
know,
we
get
five
million
dollars
a
year
in
our
CIP.
To
do
you
know,
Capital
Improvements
right,
you
can
understand
the
the
challenge.
O
Okay,
that's
fair.
Lastly,
I'll
land
with
does
house.
Do
we
have
housekeeping
like?
Does
there?
Is
there
a
housekeeping
custodial
custodial
pardon
me
team?
Do
they
report
to
you
your.
B
O
Group,
okay,
because
I
am
maybe
I'm
too
observant,
but
you
know
baseboards
cobwebs
I
just
feel
like
that's
unacceptable
for
a
world-leading
county
like
Oakland
and
I've
mentioned
it,
but
I
just
never
really
know
who
to
mention
it
to
and
I
think
that's
important
in
terms
of
quality
assurance
checks
that
we
have
with
our
vendors
to
just
make
sure
that
you
know
little
things
like
that.
Maybe
could
be
discussed
to
sharpen
up,
tighten
up
and
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that
I'll.
Let
my
Commissioners
ask
for
the
questions.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Okay,
commissioner,
next
up,
we
have
commissioner
Cavell
thanks,
chair,
hey,
hey
I,
have
a
couple
of
questions
about.
D
The
budget
just
helping
me
understand
it:
the
facilities
maintenance
office
has
a
capital,
outlay
expense
and
it's
going
up
200
percent,
what
page
and
what
line
items
so
page
45
in
the
little
book,
but
it's
going
up
200
from
20
to
65
000
right
so
like
I,
don't
understand,
I,
don't
understand
what
that
means.
What
is
a
capital
outlay
for
you
guys?
Because
it's
not
your
job
is
capital.
Well,.
B
So
and
I'm
just
answering
this,
like
in
general,
without
knowing
the
specific
of
what
that's
for,
but
so
yes
I
mean
we.
We
do
manage
the
capital
Improvement
program,
but
the
capital
outlay.
I
think
that
you're
referring
to
is
different.
So
right,
you
know
we
do
have
funding.
You
know
we
have
our
operating
budgets,
we
have
our
Capital
Improvement.
B
We
have
our
maintenance
budgets
that
shows
team
managers,
but
if,
if
something
comes
up
for
another
department
and
sometimes
even
within
our
department
that
something
that
was
on
plan
or
unpledgeable
for-
and
it
could
be
something
as
simple
as
Furniture-
you
know
there
is
a
pot
of
money
that
is
managed
by
fiscal
services
and
it's
Capital
outlay
funding.
B
So,
for
instance,
if
the
health
department
calls
and
says
hey,
you
know
we
didn't
know
about
this
and
we
didn't
manage
it
in
Furniture,
but
we've
three
of
our
offices
have
old
furniture
in
them
and
they're
not
ergonomic.
We
really
need
to
replace
that
furniture,
it's
not
safe,
it's
not
healthy,
and
so
how
do
we
do
that?
And
then
that's
when
the
department
and
us
will
work
with
physical
services
to
say,
hey.
There's
this
need
it's
not
in
their
budget.
B
B
Well
not
well
in
this
case,
because
it's
in
our
line,
it
would
be
for
our
department
right
because
Jason
went
other
departments
when
we
help
other
departments
with
their
needs
and
it
comes
out
of
capital
all
the
way
funding
we
help
with
the
process
and
we
we
approve
it
and
request
it,
but
it
goes
into
that
departments,
yes
into
their
operating
budget.
So
I
do
we
happen
to
know
offhand
what
that
might
be
for
so.
K
Aware
of
anything
within
our
flying
items
of
doing
that,
so
I
would
have
to
look
more
into
it
because
it
could
be
something
falling
under
there.
G
So
we
got
the
handy,
categorical,
I,
believe
it's
a
smart.
K
D
D
Get
it
yeah
right
and
then
I
think
you
all
were
kind
of
mentioning
this.
So
I
also
wanted
to
understand
the
rates.
B
Foot
and
I'll
speak
to
it
real,
quick
and
then
I'll.
Let
Joe
provide
the
the
definer
details,
but
you're
right
it
right.
The
you
know
the
you
know
the
county
set
up
like
a
business
where
we
all
have
our
our
own
budgets
and
our
own
funds
to
work
for,
and
it
shows
division
provides
a
service
and
part
of
that
is
providing.
You
know
we
provide
the
square
footage
right.
We
provide
the
space
so
that
the
rates
are
based
on
what
a
five
year
average.
B
So
so
you
know
the
buildings
may
be
different
and
what
we
charge
for
lease
or
rent,
but
that's
just
because
different
buildings
cost
more
or
less
to
operate
them,
and-
and
so
you
know,
a
building
will
have
a
square
footage
rate
and
then,
depending
on
how
many
square
feet,
each
department
occupies
they
simply
right.
You
simply
multiply
that
square
footage
by
the
amount
of
square
foot
that
they
occupy.
That
then
covers
the
cost
that
Joe
incurs
to
perform
all
of
the
maintenance
and
the
operation
to
for
the
building.
I
D
So,
in
addition
to
so
that
so
the
capital
Improvement,
the
CIP
Capital
Improvement
program,
is
the
list
of
like
forward-minded
projects.
The
building
improvements
fund
is
the
maintenance
right
and
then
you
also
give
money
from
each
department
that
says
it
costs
this
much
to
maintain
our
building
or
do
janitorial
custodial
services
or
someone
breaks
a
window
or
something
positive,
Services
yeah
correct.
So
then,
okay,
so
then
your
budget
is
actually
a
lot
bigger
than
it
looks
that
first
blush
right.
The
CIP
is
going
to
go
up
to
8
million
a
year
right
now,
but
the.
D
Q
A
E
L
B
B
Okay
and
like
Stephanie
mentioned,
like
they're,
you
know
the
safety
that
used
to
be
part
of
facilities
management.
If
there's,
we
don't
quite
share
the
money
with
them,
but
it
comes
from
the
same
place
and
Aaron's
division
is
is
the
same
as
well.
You
know
where,
where
we
don't
we're,
not
the
same
division,
she's
got
her
team,
I've
got
mine
and
she's
got
her
budget
and
I've
got
mine,
but
yet
the
money
comes
from
the
same
place.
D
E
B
Happy
and
I,
don't
recall,
I
will
just
say
real
quickly,
I
don't
recall,
and
we
can
have
a
discussion
after
this
sure
for
sure
and
the
reason
part
of
the
reason
why
I
don't
recall
and
I'm
not
sure
if
any
will
hear
is
like
I'm
sure
you
understand
like
what
the
past
two
months
has
been
for
every
Department
right
in
the
number
of
conversations-
and
you
know
like
like
I
mentioned
before
you
arrived,
I
mean
we
have
such
a
large
group
rate
of
215
people
and
the
amount
of
stuff
that
we're
responsible
for
and
I'm
sorry
I
know
we're
at
six
million
a
year
right
now,
but
how
we,
how
we
got
there
can't
piece
together
all
the
other
conversations
that
took
place
to
determine
new
requirements.
D
Yeah
I
guess
offline
I'd
love
to
learn
more
about
different
buckets
and
I.
Guess
just
two
real
quick.
D
Question
I
guess
which
is
do
Dean?
Is
this
system
sustainable
of
your
kind
of
like
billing
other
departments
for
rent,
because
it
seems
to
start
starting
to
be
thinking
that
it's
not
that
they
seem
down
on
their
model
of
kind
of
being
like
a
single
Source
business?
Internal
I
mean?
Is
this?
Does
this.
B
D
B
With
you,
no
great,
if
they
do
I,
haven't
heard
anything
yeah.
D
B
Reason
yeah
so
I
mentioned
earlier.
You
know
we
identified
our
needs
and
we
we
have
a
general
idea
of
what
we
need
to
make
PD
improvements
and
it's
north
of
20
million
dollars,
and
you
know
now
that
we
are
where
we
are
with
the
Pontiac
project.
We
can
start
looking
at
what
funding
we
will
have
available
and
can
prioritize
that
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
top
two
things
two
of
the
top
things
on
our
list
are
life
safety
and
Ada.
B
D
Have
a
50
million
dollars
from
the
state
for
the
Pontiac
downtown
Pontiac
building,
well,
I
use
that
I
qualify
for
the
campus
or
is
it
just
downtown
Miami,
it's
just
downtown
cool
and
the
last
thing
since
you're
here.
Can
you,
if
you
haven't
already
taught
us,
can
you
teach
us
a
little
bit
about
this
Steam
Plant
decommissioning?
Did
you
already
teach
us
all
about
that.
M
No,
what
what
would
you
like
to
know
about.
B
B
Plant
may
not
be
the
most
efficient
way
to
operate
our
campus,
so
part
of
that
study
looked
at
what
would
it
take
to
decommission
that
campus
and
maybe
go
with
full
electrification
of
our
buildings
right
and
so
at
the
time
with
the
vendor,
the
consultant
we
worked
with,
they
helped
us
put
an
estimate
upon
that,
and
you
know
we're
just
carrying
that
as
a
line
so
that
it's
always
on
the
radar.
Now
we
really
won't
have
the
opportunity
and
the
intention
is
not
to
just
Sunday
shut,
that
place
down
and
then
we're
operating
on.
B
You
know
a
different
energy
source.
It,
of
course,
is
going
to
be
a
very
long
process
of
you
know.
As
we
are
maybe
renovating
buildings
we
take
that
building
off
of
Steam
and
put
it
on
electricity
or
geothermal,
which
we
just
did
with
the
new
Sheriff's
Office
evidence,
Storage
Center.
B
A
Okay,
I'm,
I'm
gonna
ask
a
question
or
two
and
those
of
you
who
came
late,
I'm,
sorry,
but
we
may
not
have
time
for
your
questions,
but
facilities
I'm
sure
can
answer
you
offline.
If
you
have
other
stuff
or
something
I,
I
really
only
have
a
couple
of
questions.
The
first
is
electric
car
chargers.
What's
the
plan
for
that
on
this
campus,
or
do
you
have
a
plan?
I
mean
I'd
like
to
see
a
you
know
open
it
up.
M
Well,
if
that's
what
you're
looking
for,
we
do
not
have
that.
Okay,
but
as
I
gave
presentations
on
the
acceptance
of
the
Michigan
enhancement,
Grant
of
the
one
million
dollars
and
planning
for
what
we,
what
we're
doing
with
that.
So
that's
going
to
be
20
Chargers,
distributed
throughout
campus
in
a
variety
of
different
locations
outside
of
the
courthouse
outside
of
here
at
Waterford,
hoax
Etc
and
and
some
other
Parks
projects,
and
so
those
things
are
ongoing.
M
We
did
also
online
on
that
the
well
some
of
the
really
it's
just
a
matter
of
getting
the
infrastructure
and
then
installation.
Some
of
the
projects
are
phased,
so
Parks
is
more
advanced
on
their
repaving
projects
that
they
had
and
the
associated
TV
infrastructure.
Some
of
the
facilities
parking
lots
have
yet
to
be
gone
under
construction
and
so
they're
just
phased
at
different
timelines,
but
they're
all
within
this
cycle.
We
have
a
time
frame
for
the
Michigan
enhancement
Grant
to
be
spent
yeah.
A
My
impression
is,
this:
has
gone
really
slow
I've
been
asking
about
electric
Chargers
since
2019
January
right,
so
I
just
feel
like
it's
gone,
really
slow,
considering
they're
out
there
other
you
know,
organizations
have
them
in
their
parking
lots.
We
don't
think
we
show
me
again.
So
the
other
is
the
question
of
the
whole
Pontiac
thing
and
I
know
we
haven't.
It
hasn't
been
shared
with
us.
A
What
departments
are
planned
to
move
or
any
of
that
timeline
for
revealing
what
the
plan
is
in
terms
of
who's
going
to
go
there
and
what
that
means
for
here
I
mean
I,
know
it's
sensitive
because
people,
it
involves
a
lot
of
people,
it
involves
moving
your
work,
location
and
so
on,
but
there's
got
to
be
an
overarching
timeline
of
sorts
by
which
you
plan
to
do
this.
Without
sharing
any
information
you're,
not.
B
You
know
our
team
has
an
idea
of
what
we
think
would
work
well
right,
but
that
hasn't
been
vetted
by
everyone
that
needs
to
vet
it,
and
even
then,
once
it's
been
vetted,
we
haven't
even
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
department
yet
right
and
that's
part
of
the
sensitivity
right
again,
we
have
an
idea
of
what
departments
might
move
down
there,
but
but
no
one
wants
to
speak
to
that
until
we've
had
you
know,
given
the
courtesy
of
speaking
with
the
Departments
and
and
talking
through
that,
but
the
timeline
would
be
I
know
that
you
know
my
team
is
supposed
to
be
with
the
executive
leadership
team.
B
So
we're
hoping
that
you
know
within
within
a
month.
We
will
have
that
firmed
up
so
that
we
have
our
Direction
and
then
you
know
we
can
start
meeting
individually
with
the
Departments
that
are
going
to
be
impacted.
So
we
can
start.
A
That
that
planning
process-
okay
and
my
last
comment
will
be
I-
really
appreciate
that
you
have
done
this.
We
talked
about
this
when
I
first
came
on
that
we
should
take
an
overall
look
at
the
campus
and
what
is
our
building
utilization
and
what's
our
energy
policy,
and
so,
and
we
have
these
conversations
way
back
then,
and
many
of
you
were
in
them
and
I
really
appreciate
that
you
have
done
this-
have
taken
this
holistic
approach
of
stepped
through
it
and
the
decisions
that
you're
making
are
based
on
good,
logical
evaluation
and
I.
A
Think
that
says
a
lot
that,
because
it
hasn't
been
an
easy
thing
to
do
and
it
hasn't
not.
Everybody
was
in
support
of
us
doing
that,
but
I
think
it's
fundamental
to
being
fiscally
responsible
and
environmentally
responsible
going
forward.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
wanted
to
say
so,
since
I
yelled
at
you
about
the
car
chargers.
B
No,
no,
that's
that's
fine
and
thank
you
for
that
and
if
I
can
just
respond
to
that
real
quickly,
so
so
thank
you
because,
yes,
we
we
did
go
through
a
very
extensive
study
on
you
know
where
we
are
right
now
with
our
space,
what
we
actually
need,
especially
especially
in
this
new
world,
that
we
live
in
right
and
you
know
at
the
time
this
Pontiac
move
wasn't
even
on
the
radar.
B
Well,
it
worked
out
perfect
for
us,
because
when,
when
Jason
and
his
team,
this
whole
team
started
looking
at
okay,
what
you
know,
what
folks
should
we
move
down
there?
We
had
all
of
the
data.
Now
we
have
the
data
right,
we're
not
we're
not
saying
that
this
department
has
this
many
square
feet.
So
that's
how
many
we
need
when
we
move
them
downtown.
B
No,
we
have
the
data
from
from
the
extensive
studies
to
say.
Well,
they
have
this
much
space,
but
they
really
only
need
this
space
or
they
need
this
space
and
that's
what
we're
using
to
move
folks
down
there,
and
you
know
when,
when
we
took
a
look
at
the
the
CIP
needs
assessment,
when
we
took
a
look
at
our
space
needs
assessment,
you
know
again,
it
has
I
know
it's
been
taking
a
long
time.
I
know
that
the
car
chargers
and
other
things
have
been
taking
a
long
time.
B
Part
of
the
reason
for
the
time
that
it
has
taken
is
one
it
took
a
long,
a
long
time
to
bring
all
of
that
data
together.
Looking
at
it
holistically,
like
you
said,
and
then,
and
then
we
got
to
a
point
where
we're
like
okay
now
now,
how
do
we
like?
How
do
we
make
this
happen
right?
You
know
I,
think
Hillary
said
it
when
we
presented
on
the
CIP.
B
It's
like
you
know:
how
do
you,
how
do
you
eat
an
elephant
right,
and
that
was
part
of
the
feeling,
and
you
know
we
were
trying
to
wrap
our
heads
around
like
how
do
we?
How
do
we
make
these
moves
and
do
these
changes
with
really
no
swing
space?
To
do
it
right?
We
don't
have
the
luxury
of
just
shutting
down
an
entire
building
so
that
we
can
renovate
it
and
move
people
around
right
we
are
having
to
you
know.
B
We
have
folks
that
we
need
to
serve,
but
we
need
to
keep
these
facilities
open
and
operating
while
we're
trying
to
make
these
changes
what's
happening.
Downtown
is
like
it's
been
a
really
a
kind
of
you
know
it's
a
huge
project
and
a
huge
undertaking,
but
it's
also
kind
of
a
big
relief,
because
now
we
have
the
blank
canvas
that
we
need
to
start
implementing.
All
of
these
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
for
the
past
few
years.
A
P
B
P
Very
much
and
I'm
sorry
I
was
late.
We
were
told
there's
700
million
dollars
worth
of
deferred
maintenance
on
this
campus.
O
I
mean
three
quarters
or.
P
B
Q
And
mine's
quick
and
if
it
was
already
done
sorry
I
was
late,
but
on
the
budget
book
three
page
335
the
Professional
Services
it
it
was
budgeted
for
220,
223
000
and
it
was
413
amended.
We
spent
413
or
you
guys
did
it
for
four
Professional
Services.
What
did
that
include
that
bump
bump
was
like
200
000
more.
Does
anyone
know
that.
B
L
A
real,
quick
one-
and
this
is
something
more
of
an
observation-
Aaron
I,
don't
know
your
thoughts
but
like
I,
look
around
the
garbage
cans
and
things
like
that
do
have
like
recycling
as
well
throughout
the
county
campus
and
maybe
I
just
haven't
traveled
enough
of
the
campus
to
know
yet
I
go
like
Metro
Airport,
for
instance,
and
they
have
like
that
triple
garbage
can
right
so
part
of
it's
like
garbage
part
of
its
recycling,
part
of
its
food
I,
don't
know
whatever
that.
L
L
B
Amanda
and
Aaron's
team
and
us
have
been
working
on
it
and
the
RFP
is
I,
don't
want
to
say
like
how
many
days
or
months.
A
B
And
Connie,
you
know
again
any
questions
that
you
have.
If
you
want
to
reach
out
to
Connie,
Connie
knows
how
to
get
a
hold
of
me
and
then
I
can
either
with
you
privately
or
put
together
some
information
that
I
can
send
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
So
I
really
like
them.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right.
We're
going
to
take
a
two
second
break,
so
I'm
gonna,
something
to
drink.
A
All
right
welcome
to
the
second
presentation
budget
presentation,
for
today,
everybody
Welcome
to
the
Circuit
Court
and
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
make.
Q
S
All
right
one
moment
please,
while
I
turn
the
volume
up.
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
now
very
good?
Yes,
that
works
excellent.
All
right
then
I'm
going
to
disconnect
my
phone,
and
can
you
still
hear
me?
Yes,
yes,
excellent,
all
right
good
afternoon!
Everyone.
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
I
want
to
thank
chairperson,
Markham,
the
Commissioners,
the
board
representatives
and.
S
A
privilege
and
an
honor
to
appear
before
you
as
the
chief
judge
of
the
Oakland
County
Circuit
Court.
My
name
is
Jeff
Mattis
for
those
of
you
that
I
don't
know,
as
I
should
mention
that
I'm
currently
up
in
northern
Michigan
on
a
family
vacation
right
now
it
was
scheduled
long
for
today's
date
was
set.
But
being
a
former
commissioner
myself
and
having
been
on
the
finance
committee
stuff,
okay,
can?
Can
you
hear
me
all
right,
yeah
up.
S
O
E
G
J
R
E
E
U
Thank
you
for
your
patience.
If
you
can't
hear
anything,
just
let
me
know
and
we'll
we'll
certainly
fix
it,
but
let
me
I
guess
let
me
start
over
again:
I,
don't
know
what
you
heard
but
good
afternoon.
Everyone
I
want
to
thank
chairperson,
Markham,
the
members
of
the
commission
on
this
committee
and
other
board
representatives
and
other
guests
that
are
present.
My
name
is
Jeff
Mattis
I'm,
the
chief
judge
of
the
Oakland
County
Circuit
Court,
and
it's
my
privilege
to
be
here
today
to
present
our
budget
to
you
for
your
approval,
as
I
was
saying.
U
I
think
where
you
lost
me
is
I
am
in
northern
Michigan
right
now
on
a
family
vacation.
It
was
scheduled
a
long
time
ago
before
today's
date
was
set,
but
I
did
want
to
appear
and
I
also
didn't
want
to
ask
to
move
the
time.
I
know
how
much
effort
it
goes
for
the
commission
to
have
this
meeting,
how
you're,
balancing
all
the
different
budgets
you
have
to
vote
on.
U
So
I
did
want
to
go
forward
today,
understanding
it
was
the
day
that
worked
best
for
you
with
that
said,
I'd
like
to
introduce
some
others
that
are
with
me
today
in
the
room:
judge,
Lisa,
Langton,
who's,
presiding
judge
of
the
Family
Division
Rich
Lynch
who's,
our
circuit
court
administrator
and
monville
who's,
our
Deputy
court
administrator
Chris
budjak,
who
is
our
Circuit
Court
business
manager,
Suzanne
hollier,
the
director
of
the
Oakland
County
Friend
of
the
Court
and
Jeanette
Miracle
lashon
Who's,
chief
assistant
Friend
of
the
Court
operations.
U
Just
some
quick
background
on
the
court
I
think
some
of
the
Commissioners
may
be
newer
in
case
you're
not
familiar.
We
have
20
judges
in
the
Oakland
County
Circuit
Court
two
preside
in
the
business
Court,
seven
in
the
Family
Division
and
11
in
the
Civil
Criminal
Division,
the
Circuit
Court
handles
both
civil
and
criminal
cases,
Family
Matters
business
cases.
The
criminal
matters
are
predominantly
felonies
with
some
misdemeanors,
if
they're
related
in
some
way
to
the
felony
or
in
certain
circumstances.
Generally,
the
district
courts
handle
misdemeanors.
We
handle
felonies,
but
there
are
some
exceptions.
U
Our
criminal
cases
involve
both
juveniles,
as
well
as
adults.
In
the
civil
cases,
we
handle
civil
cases
that
are
over
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
in
value,
so
personal
injury
cases,
but
also
a
multitude
of
other
matters,
property
disputes
and
various
other
civil
matters
that
bring
people
to
court.
We
also
handle
appeals
from
District
Court
rulings,
as
well
as
appeals
from
various
administrative
agencies
in
our
family
division.
They
handle
divorces,
custody,
paternity
parental
abuse,
neglect
proceedings,
ppos
adoptions,
as
well
as
other
matters.
U
The
court
also
has
a
number
of
specialty
courts
that
we're
very
proud
of
the
adult
treatment,
Court
programs
that
we
have
to
address
substance,
abuse
and
mental
health
issues
both
for
males
and
females.
We
also
have
we
have
adults
and
juvenile
treatment
courts,
and
we
also
have
a
veterans.
Court
I
was
one
of
the
former
judge
that
was
presided
in
the
in
the
treatment
Court
program.
I
fully
support
these
programs,
as
does
the
current
Michigan
Supreme
Court.
U
The
with
regard
to
our
caseloads.
Certainly
covid
created
a
backlog.
I
mean
there's,
that's
there's
no
way
around
that.
We
were
ordered
to
not
have
jury
trials
for
a
significant
amount
of
time
because
of
covet.
That
was
obviously
by
the
Supreme
Court
as
well
as
the
governor,
but
we
did
continue
to
operate
during
covid.
We
handled
cases
remotely
both
civil
criminal
cases,
Family
Matters
and
a
number
of
cases
did
resolve
and
were
handled
throughout
coven.
U
As
soon
as
we
were
able
to,
we
began
trying
as
many
cases
as
we
could
bring
jurors
back
into
the
courtroom
and-
and
our
judges
have
worked
very
very
hard
to
try
many
cases
and
to
move
that
backlog
to
to
get
rid
of
it.
Initially,
we
focused
on
criminal
cases.
The
law
requires
us
to
do
and
we
have
obviously
focused
on
the
civil
as
much
as
possible
in
order
to
help
us
address
further
getting
of
the
backlog
we
have
recently
received
a
grant
through
scale
scale.
Is
the
state
court
administrator's
office
scal?
U
That's
the
Supreme
Court
entity
that
we
deal
with
on
a
day-to-day
basis
and
we
recently
received
a
significant
Grant.
That's
gonna,
that's
aimed
at
helping
us
to
reduce
the
backlog.
We
applied
leave
that
Grant
and
we
want
to
thank
you
for
your
support
with
regard
to
the
acceptance
of
that
Grant.
U
We
are
in
the
midst
of
of
announcing,
implementing
and
moving
forward
with
a
settlement
week,
program
that
we
have
created
as
part
of
this
Grant
and
what
it's
going
to
involve
is
attorneys
will
act
as
mediators
to
help
try
to
resolve
cases.
In
these
case
they'll
be
the
oldest
cases
will
be
earmarked
for
the
program
and
if
the
cases
do
not
settle
through
this
mediation
program,
they
will
be
set
for
for
trials
as
soon
as
possible.
U
With
a
number
of
visiting
judges
who
have
offered
to
assist,
obviously
there
will
be
they
will
be
paid
and
that's
what
the
grant
will
assist
with
inform
former
judges
from
our
bench
as
well
as
judges
from
other
courts.
We've
worked
closely
with
the
Oakland
County
Bar
office
on
this
to
help
facilitate
all
the
details,
and
what
this
is
going
to
do
is
it's
going
to
allow
our
judges
to
focus
more
on
their
criminal
cases
to
address
as
many
of
those
possible
while,
hopefully,
these
civil
cases
are
resolved
through
the
program?
U
We're
estimating
presidency
that
approximately
700
cases
may
be
involved
in
this
program,
which
we've
identified
in
the
beginning
in
October
of
that
number
may
change
as
cases
resolve
or
new
cases
may
be
added,
but
that
is
our
best
estimate.
Right
now
and
again,
we
thank
you
for
your
support
with
regard
to
that
Grant,
which
is
going
to
help
us
to
move
forward
with
this
as
to
in
general.
U
Our
caseload
case
filings
did
dip
somewhat
during
covid,
as
you
would
expect,
but
they
have
returned
now
to
pre-pandemic
numbers
and
we
are
projecting
a
five
percent
increase
in
cases
over
fiscal
year
23
over
fiscal
year
22..
So
we
are
projecting
an
increase
in
cases
just
to
try
to
put
a
number
on
it.
So
you
understand
what
we're
talking
about
they're,
approximately
11
000
new
case
filings
in
the
first
two
quarters
of
this
year.
So
obviously
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
cases
in
our
court.
U
The
court
has
frankly
too
many
programs
for
me
to
go
into
in
the
time
that
that
we
had
I
have
to
speak
with
you
today,
but
I
did
want
to
touch
on
just
a
few
things.
One
is
certainly
youth
assistance
and,
specifically
the
mentors
program.
The
court
supports
the
mentors
plus
program.
It's
in
our
budget
that
we're
presenting
to
you.
We
appreciate
your
support
and
we
do
support
that
program.
U
Just
to
address
that
that
one
program
there's
also
something
else
that
does
affect
us
is
there's
a
number
of
new
things
coming
out
of
Lansing
that
have
a
significant
effect
on
court
operations,
and
this
is
predominantly
within
two
categories.
One
is
cases
that
come
down
from
the
Michigan
Supreme
Court,
or
even
the
court
of
appeals
that
create
new
requirements
or
hearings
or
things
that
we
have
to
do
in
handling
our
cases
that
can
increase
the
workload
for
trial
judges.
The
other
is
laws
that
are
passed
that
similarly
create
sometimes
new
requirements
or
change
existing
requirements.
U
U
There
were
sanctions,
it
was
a
tool
to
try
to
help
resolve
cases,
the
Supreme
Court
modified
that
rule
and
there's
no
longer
sanctions,
and
so
it's
had
an
effect,
a
significant
effect
on
the
number
of
cases
and
that
the
alternative
dispute
resolution
mechanisms
that
lawyers
and
litigants
wish
to
use
There's
issues
with
regard
to
expert
Witnesses
and
juvenile
matters
in
terms
of
availability
setting
aside
convictions,
something
you
may
have
heard
about.
The
law
has
been
changed
in
that
regard,
and
it's
it
has
really
opened
up
the
opportunity.
U
Many
many
more
people
to
request
to
have
prior
convictions
set
aside.
That
has
led
to
a
lot
of
motions
being
filed
by
people
with
convictions
asking
may
be
set
aside
and
our
judges
have
to
handle
those
motions
which
sometimes
turn
into
sort
of
many
hearings
dealing
with
a
lot
of
issues.
So
that's
a
great
example
how
the
law
changed
and
has
increased
the
workload
of
our
judges
as
a
result,
there's
just
a
lot
more.
There
now
there's
other
matters.
U
There
was
a
very
case
that
came
down
from
the
Supreme
Court
dealing
with
what's
called
open
and
obvious
defense.
Basically,
the
idea
is
if
someone
has
a
slip
and
fall
and
they
file
a
lawsuit
related
to
that
alleging
personal
injuries.
The
defendant
could
raise
the
issue
that
the
whatever
the
condition
was
that
caused
the
fall
was
open
and
obvious
under
prior
law.
That
would
be
a
legal
question
for
a
judge,
meaning
under
certain
circumstances.
The
judge
might
dismiss
the
case
now.
U
Judges
are
required
to
have
a
hearing
analyze
a
lot
of
information,
a
lot
of
factors
and
ultimately
making
decision,
but
in
any
case
involving
a
juvenile
in
that
type
of
a
charge
or
conviction,
a
hearing
is
required,
and
so
again
those
are.
Those
are
examples
of
things
where
the
law
has
has
changed
by
way
of
a
case
or
a
Court
rule
or
a
statute
and
has
significantly
increased
the
the
workload
of
of
the
trial
judges.
One
other
example
is
the
extreme
risk
protection
act,
legislation
that
deals
with,
under
certain
circumstances,
complication
of
a
gun.
U
That
is
something
we've
talked
about
that
we're
certainly
prepared
for,
but
it's
unclear
how
many
of
these
petitions
were
going
to
receive.
If
there's
a
lot
of
them.
There
are
time
constraints
that
that
these
have
to
be
handled
Within
and
there
certainly
could
be
an
impact
on
the
workload
of
Judges
who
are
handling
those
petitions.
U
The
there
are
some
other
things
that
through
midc,
as
you
probably
know,
the
court
used
to
appoint
counsel
for
for
criminal
cases.
If
someone
was
Indigent
couldn't
afford
an
attorney,
their
right
to
be
represented
and
the
court
would
appoint
counsel,
and
that
has
changed
it's
now.
The
Michigan
Indigent
defense
commission
makes
that
appointment
and
the
court
does
not
make
the
appointment
anymore.
U
That
has
resulted
in
some
delays
that
we
have
talked
with
to
Pete
Mena,
who
heads
up
the
midc
in
Oakland,
County
about
which
has
forced
the
court
to
often
endure
in
proceedings
while
a
new
lawyer
is
sought
and
while
that
new
lawyer
is
appointed
by
midc,
so
we're
working
through
that
issue.
There's
an
issue
of
funding
with
regard
to
juvenile
attorneys,
who
do
juvenile
criminal
work.
Oftentimes.
U
The
one
other
issue
is
the
court.
Unfortunately,
like
a
lot
of
people
or
entities.
These
days
has
had
some
data
breaches
where
we
have
worked
with
the
executive's
office
and
corporate
Council
to
address
the
issues
and
moving
forward,
we
will
likely
need
to
address
technology
improvements
to
reduce
the
risk
of
such
breaches
in
the
future,
especially
where
it
relates
to
Friend
of
the
Court
Records.
Juvenile
records
or
sensitive
data
or
records
that
we
just
have
to
make
sure
is,
is
protected.
There's
just
some
other
things
briefly.
U
I
want
to
touch
on
there's
issues
with
court
costs.
There's
some
legislation
and
some
changes
coming
on
court
costs
that
may
reduce
or
eliminate
a
Court's
ability
to
to
to
incur
to
receive
court
costs,
we're
analyzing
that
issue
now
to
see
ultimate
what
the
impact
could
be,
but
in
2022,
according
to
our
data,
it
was
280
thousand
dollars,
so
there
could
potentially
be
a
budgetary
act
on
that
and
again
just
in
Juvenile
Justice
there.
There
are
a
number
of
issues
being
discussed.
U
There's
also
been
to
some
discussion
about
the
Court's
case
management
system.
You
may
have
heard
that
from
either
the
executive's
office
or
perhaps
the
clerk's
office,
the
specifically
whether
the
court,
in
conjunction
with
the
county
executive's
office,
should
develop
its
own
system
or
partner
with
the
state
specifically
against
scale
State
Court
administrator's
office.
Regarding
a
Statewide
system,
I've
spoken
with
a
number
of
individuals
both
locally
and
at
the
state
level
and
at
the
Supreme
Court
about
this.
U
Our
current
system
is
all
is
very,
very
old
and
simply
needs
to
replace
it
with
looking
at
the
options
right
now
to
try
to
determine
what's
best
for
the
court,
obviously,
potentially
what
costs
would
be
associated
with
it.
But
this
is
going
to
be
a
big
project
and
it's
an
important
issue
that
we
certainly
will
keep
you
advised
as
we
go
forward.
U
There's
a
lot
more
I
could
say,
but
I'm
sure
you
have
questions
and
I
don't
want
to
use
up
all
of
our
time.
With
my
statement,
I
would
just
say
simply
and
I.
I
know
the
board
has
a
long
history
of
supporting
the
court
and
its
budget,
and
thank
you
for
that
support.
We've
worked
with
the
executive's
office
regarding
the
budget
we're
presenting
to
you.
We
believe
the
budget
is
reasonable.
U
It's
appropriate
if
it's
a
good
use
of
the
taxpayer
dollars
and
will
allow
the
court
to
continue
to
fulfill
its
duty
to
serve
the
people
of
the
well
as
such,
as
Chief
I,
respectfully
request
that
you
vote
to
approve
our
budget
that
we
have
submitted
to
you
again
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
certainly
welcome
any
questions
you
may
have
at
this
point
and
even
after
we
depart
today.
If
there's
any
further
questions,
you
have
please
reach
out
to
Rich
Lynch
our
court
administrator
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
get
you
answers.
W
I'm,
just
going
to
add
to
that
on
one
topic,
and
the
topic
I'm
here
to
speak
on
is
our
compensation
for
our
attorneys
in
our
neglect
and
abuse
cases.
So
when
we,
when
the
20
judges
got
together
and
decided
what
our
priority
would
be,
our
priority
unanimously,
there's
seven
of
us
in
family,
but
our
20
judges
supported
that
we
have
to.
We
are
at
crisis
level
with
trying
to
retain
and
attract
attorneys
to
do
the
stocking.
W
So
what
our
attorneys
do
in
this
docket,
we
have
an
attorney
that
represents
the
abused
or
neglected
child
regard,
an
ad
litem
all
right,
and
then
we
have
an
attorney
for
Mom
and
we
have
an
attorney
for
Dad
and
minimally
on
those.
If
it's
a
termination
case,
there
are
like
three
mini
trials,
one
of
them
could
be
a
jury
trial.
In
that
proceeding,
it
takes
a
long
time
we
are
paying
these
Attorneys
at
subpar
levels.
W
I
I
I've
been
going
to
our
County,
our
Oakland
County
Bar
Association
meetings
with
our
juvenile
lawyers
since
the
midc,
which
is
fabulous,
we're
thankful
for
that
they
are
they're
no
longer
coming
to
juvenile
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
go
get
paid,
120
an
hour
130
an
hour
which
I
it's
a
good
wage,
but
in
lawyer
land
it's
it's
still
not
that
much.
If
any
of
you
have
hired
lawyers,
you
know
right,
but
what
we're
paying
are.
Juvenile
lawyers
now
is
about
twenty
dollars
an
hour
and
I'll.
Give
you
an
example
all
right
all
right.
W
We
pay
if
you
want
to
go
visit
if
you're,
a
garden
I'd
like
them
on
a
neglect
case
and
you're
representing
this
abused
child,
and
this
child
is
over
at
Care
at
the
care
portion
of
our
Children's
Village
at
Mandy's
place
you
get
paid
sixty
dollars,
so
that
doesn't
include
driving
that
doesn't
include
waiting.
That
doesn't
include
the
time
you
do
to
prepare
sixty
dollars.
That's
what
you
get
to
go,
see
this
child
and
in
danger,
basically
all
right.
W
The
one
you're
trying
to
protect
we're,
there's
an
initiative
in
this
country
and
particularly
in
our
County,
to
try
to
keep
families
together.
We're
not
we're
trying
to
not
put
these
kids
in
foster
care
and
not
put
these
kids
out
of
home.
Well,
we
got
mom
and
dads
that
you
know
are
in
these
systems
and
we're
struggling
to
find
lawyers
to
represent
them
and
Advocate
them
and
make
sure
they're
connected
with
services
and
make
sure
they
get
to
work
with
the
Department
in
a
meaningful
way.
W
So
we
I'm
really
here
just
to
implore
you
to
reconsider
this
decision
and
I
understand
part
of
it.
So
there's
pending
legislation
right
now,
that
will
add
attorneys
representing
delinquents
on
our
caseload
Under,
the
Umbrella
of
the
midc
and
so
I
understand
that
and
I'm
I'm
leaving
that
alone.
But
nothing
includes
the
attorneys
that
are
no
there's
no
pending
legislation
that
will
assist
or
increase
or
put
under
the
umbrella
of
midc
lawyers
that
represent
mom,
dads
and
kids.
W
So
our
message
is,
we
should
be
paying
people
to
represent
our
kids,
the
same
we're
paying
attorneys
that
represent
our
criminals
right!
That's
that's!
Where
we're
at
all
right,
we'll
we'll
pay
you
to
represent
a
rapist,
a
murderer
which
I'm
in
support
of,
we
need
good
lawyers
on
those,
but
we
won't
pay
to
represent
the
kids
so
from
my
really
limited
perspective
of
being
in
family
court
and
prior
to
that,
I
helped
I
helped
formulate
the
Family
Division
plan
in
my
previous
role
35
years
ago.
W
All
right,
but
I
am
just
here
for
the
county
to
reconsider
its
position
that
not
to
give
us
any
additional
funds.
Since
midc
has
come
into
place.
We've
lost
30
percent
of
our
attorneys
on
our
court
appointment
list.
That's
a
big
number
but,
more
importantly,
we're
not
getting
new
lawyers
in.
So,
as
these
seasoned
lawyers,
you
know
age
out
and
decide
to
retire.
We
have
no.
We
have
no
upcoming
class.
We
have
no
succession
planning
for
our
attorneys.
So
that's
my
speech
I'm
impassioned
about
it,
because
I
feel
strongly.
W
It
takes
us
a
very
long
time
to
find
lawyers
to
represent
us.
We
are
not
within
our
guidelines.
Our
numbers
are
terrible
in
guidelines
because
we
cannot
literally
find
lawyers
to
come
to
our
hearings
between
the
seven
Family
Division
lawyers
and
the
referees
that
we
have
that
do
the
same
work.
So
it's
just
so
important
and
I
really
hope
that
the
county
will
reconsider
and
give
us
some
additional
Monies
to
pay
our
lawyers
on
these
very
important
cases
for
our
family.
W
C
W
Here
well,
we
asked,
for
we
asked
for
an
increase
in
our
it
says:
increase
in
defense,
attorney
fees
and
juveniles
to
be
in
line
with
the
midc
in
an
increase
in
fees
paid
to
our
gardenhead
items
and.
W
A
Q
Mine's,
quick
I
think
mine's
up
on
the
budget
page,
so
it
might
be
for
you
guys
on
budget,
but
they
might
have
to
assist
you
but
page
212
on
the
bottom.
It's
under
Personnel
operating
expenses.
What
is
it's
like?
It's
the
line
item,
seven
three,
one,
four,
one:
six,
one:
six,
sorry,
private
institutions,
residential
and
it's
2.7
million.
Q
W
No,
it's
difficult,
Children's
Village
we're
struggling
again,
they're
they're,
closing
beds
down
only
lots
of
places
of
close
bed
down.
They
can't
find
employees
they
can't
their
per
diems
are
going
up
exponentially.
So
that's
that's
what
that
line
is
okay,.
H
Q
V
V
V
W
We
don't
we
don't
Place,
kids,
it's
an
intentional
process.
We
have
an
out
of
home
placement
committee
that
reviews
each
case
where
there's
a
recommendation
that
they
be
removed
from
the
home
and
that
that
involves
people
from
our
Clinic
Children's
Village
workers,
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services.
So
there's
a
there
is
a
effort
on
each
kid
to
try
to
keep
them
out
of
home.
I
mean
in
home
right,
not
out
of
home,
so
they
go
through
a
process
before
we
even
make
before
the
court
even
makes
that
recommendation.
Okay.
U
If
I
could
I
could
just
I've
been
on
this,
just
one
thing
with
regard
to
I
want
to
make
sure,
especially
the
Commissioners
understand
you
know,
sort
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
with
the
different
types
of
cases.
Obviously,
we
have
juvenile
delinquency
cases
which
are
criminal
cases,
where
it's
alleged
that
a
juvenile,
a
minor
has
committed
a
crime.
U
But
then
we
also
have
the
abuse,
neglect
cases
and
that's
what
judge
Langston
I
think
was
really
referring
to
and
the
allegation
there
is
typically
it's
brought
by
DHHS
CPS
is
often
involved
with
allegations
of
abuse
or
neglect
Upon,
a
Child
or
children,
typically
by
the
parents.
Now
those
go
different
directions.
There
could
be
a
temporary
what
we
call
a
temporary
petition,
which
often
might
involve
someone
has
a
substance,
abuse
issue
or
drugs
issue
or
alcohol
issue.
But
there
have
been
has
been
an
abuse
neglect
situation.
The
children
might
be
temporarily
removed
from
the
home.
U
Typically,
they
try
to
place
them
with
another
relative
if
at
all
possible,
but
the
goal
is
ultimately
to
reunite
the
child
with
the
parents
after
services
and
various
things
have
occurred
to
help
address.
Whatever
the
abuse
neglect
situation
was
and,
and
those
time
periods
can
be
very
lengthy,
where
the
child
is
is
temporarily,
you
know,
for
the
child's
well-being
is
removed
from
that
environment
or
there's
a
permanent
petition,
which
is
a
termination
of
parental
rights,
and
that's
where
it's
it's
deemed
that
the
abuse
or
neglect
is
of
such
of
a
serious
magnitude
or
situation.
U
That
the
request
is
to
terminate
rights
with
no
reunification
so
that
the
parents
no
longer
have
a
legal
right
to
be
the
parent
of
the
child.
But
under
these
different
situations
it
is
important
that
the
children
be
placed
into
a
safe
environment
where
they're
getting
services
or
whatever
is
deemed
appropriate
based
on
the
case
and
obviously,
there's
costs
associated
with
that.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone
sort
of
understood
the
background
of
the
cases
we've
been
talking
about
because
they
are
different,
whether
it's
about
delinquency
or
the
abuse,
neglect
cases.
D
That's
awesome,
and
this
is
kind
of
what
what
am
I
saying,
but
the
private
institutions
went
up.
Two
million
State
institutions
also
went
up
three
million
dollars.
Is
that
the
same
sort
of
thing?
Yes?.
W
It
down
a
little,
so
the
private
institutions
are
obviously
not
state-run,
and
so
they
would
be.
Usually
if
you
have
an
item
child
that
needs
a
specific
mental
health
issue
or
we
can't
find
a
state
institution
with
that
would
take
the
child
or
there's
not
a
bed.
Then
we
use
a
combination
of
both.
We
use
private
facilities
that
are
run
by
private
people.
W
You
know
it's
probably
a
poor
poor
profit
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
an
example
of
one
Wolverine
might
be
one
I'm
thinking
of
other
ones,
but
we
try
to
go
either
first
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
child
or
two
just
to
find
a
safe
bed.
V
D
D
And
so
what.
V
Amount
under
your
child
care
fund
that
we
approved
the
budget
for
well
a
week
or
so
ago
right
we
received
50
back
on
our
out
of
home
placements.
You
were
receiving
50
back
on
community-based
in-home
placements
and
programs
that
is
changing
for
next
year
to
75
percent,
and
so
of
course,
not
only
for
just
money.
V
We
want
to
pursue
those
placements,
but
we
will
be
focusing
on
that
and
we're
starting
a
task
force
in
conjunction
with
some
of
the
other
interested
entities
to
try
and
make
sure
that
we're
getting
development
of
those
programs
too
I.
D
V
You
know
the
75,
the
75
reimbursement
is
only
on
community-based
placements,
so
in
community-based
programs.
So
on
the
out
of
home
placements
that
I
mentioned,
like
600
a
day
for
a
child,
we
will
not
be
reimbursed
75.
That
is
still
just
50.
The
only.
E
V
We
receive
more
than
50
is
when
it
is
a
child
from
the
raise
the
age
Grant
raise
the
age
legislation
just
gives
us
some
kids
that
are
older
now
than
we
used
to
deal
with.
That's
increased
our
caseloads
about
23
in
the
juvenile
area.
D
W
Yeah
I
mean
that's
the
goal,
but
finding
them
and
finding
a
good
fit.
That's
the
challenge,
so
I
mean
it's
always
our
goal.
To
put
them.
First
of
all,
within
their
Community,
I
mean
that's
the
first
important
thing,
but
we
just
options.
Are
we
struggle?
We
struggle
with
options.
To
be
honest,
we
struggle.
T
With
options
and
as
we
understand
it,
the
state
set
out
that
75-25
reimbursement
so
that
we
would
have
more
money
from
that
75
to
develop
diversion
programs
for
these
kids.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
that
that's
not
free
money
for
the
county
exempt
or
whoever
to
do
something
else
with
that's.
The
extra
25
is
for
to
develop
for
us
to
develop
diversionary
programs
so
that
we
don't
get
the
the
juvenile
delinquencies.
That's
how
we
we
touched
them
earlier
right.
W
D
If
I
understand
you,
it's
going
from
50
50
split
where
the
I
don't
want
to
say
incentive,
but
the
norm
is
placing
people
out
of
home
to
then
shifting
to
75-25,
where
you
know
in
x
amount
of
time
there
will
be
more
diversion
and
like
Upstream
programs.
That
then
will
prevent
the
need
for
using
a
lot
of
this
50
50
split
money,
because
there
will
be
right.
Children's
Village
has
eight
abuse,
neglect
people
in
it
now,
and
so
there
will
be
three
abuse:
neglect
children
in
Children's.
G
D
H
That
is
a
last
resort,
because
we
want
to
rehabilitate
and
preserve
that
youth
in
the
structure,
rather
than
placing
that
youth
outside
the
home.
In
sometimes
a
term
is
coarsely
used,
a
juvie
jail,
we're
looking
at
the
whole
person
to
make
sure
they
go
through
the
process,
and
that
has
been
the
philosophy
of
the
Court
throughout
the
time
that
I've
been
with
the
institution.
So.
W
New
with
the
75
I
think
it'll
give
us
an
opportunity
to
work
with
some
communities
and
develop
programs.
That
would
be
an
option,
but
but
it'll
be
like
a
lot
of
those
kids.
If
we
keep
them
out
of
home
would
probably
still
be
out
of
home
in
not
maybe
in
such
a
great
environment
or
a
great
opportunities
or
Services
provided
to
them.
So
it's
I,
don't
you're
not
going
to
see
a
shift
from
50
50
to
75
25
being
like
some
big
number
I,
don't
think
at
least
not
in
the
near
future.
We.
V
Expect
in
our
budget
75
rough
estimate
about
a
half
million
dollars
of
additional
return
back
to
the
county
from
the
state
with
this
75
75-25,
so
we're
going
to
get
about
a
half
million
dollars
additional
we're
looking
at
how
we
take
that
half
million
dollars
and
what
can
we
fund
internally?
What
can
we
start
a
program?
Can
we
have
an
additional
specialty
docket?
Can
we
have
what
programs
can
we
have
to
best
use
those
funds
to
serve
the
youth
that
are
placed
out
of
home
I?
V
V
Yes,
from
what
we've
estimated
based
on
this
last
fiscal
year,
that.
V
It's
it's
only
on
our
intensive,
like
it's
only
going
to
cover
the
ones
that
we've
been
doing
so
far,
that
are
Community
Based.
So
it's
not
the
most
expensive
portion
of
the
32
million
dollar
Child
Care
fund
budget,
you
Village
and
the
other
Home
placements.
That's
the
majority
of
that
budget.
Right.
C
And
I
don't
want
to
shift
off
that
important
thing,
but
I
did
want
to
follow
the
judge
Madison.
The
software
in
the
I.T,
the
clerk's
office
did
tell
us
about
that,
and
it
told
us
that
our
system
is
at
end
of
life
on
the.
C
Q
E
C
U
U
I
think
you
know
they
would
say
that.
There's
advantages
with
that
that
judges
in
one
Court
who
might
want
information
on
a
case
in
another
court
right
now
have
a
difficult
time.
You
know
getting
access
to
that
information,
but
if
everyone's
on
the
state
system,
you
could
immediately
pull.
If,
if
a
person
in
front
of
you
had
a
case
in
Wayne,
County
or
Traverse,
City
or
Muskegon,
you
could
immediately
access
all
those
records.
U
So
I
think
that
that's
that's
that
that's
the
big
thing
that
they
are
saying,
obviously,
from
a
cost
standpoint.
The
other
issue
is
the
Supreme.
Court
has
told
us
that
they
will
pay
the
costs,
so
the
Statewide
system,
I'm
being
told,
will
not
cost
us
anything,
whereas,
obviously,
if
we
have
our
own
system,
it
will
obviously
the
other
aspect
of
this
is.
If
we
go
with
the
state
system.
U
You
know
we
are
limited
by
the
system
they
create,
and
there
may
be
things
we
want
in
the
system
that
we
that
may
not
have.
They
may
not
have
that
capability,
whereas
we
can
uniquely
tailor
our
own
system
to
our
own
needs,
as
opposed
to
a
generic
system
that
that
other
courts
may
like
but
may
not
be
ideal
for
us.
So
there's
a
lot
of
moving
Parts
here.
Obviously,
timing
is
a
big
one.
U
We
need
to
move
quickly
on
this
to
the
extent
we
can,
because
our
system
is
old,
it's
out
of
date
and
we
rely
on
it
mentally
and
simple.
It
just
can't
be
without
it.
So
that's
another
Factor,
but
but
as
I
mentioned,
yes
we're
looking
at
we're
gathering
information,
there
was
a
study
that
was
being
done
and
and
Rich.
U
H
C
C
We
have
paralegal
assaulting
attorneys
and
we
do
too
right
and
how
valuable
that
is,
because
the
prosecutor's
office
was
telling
us
they
have
15
lawyers
with
one
paralegal
and
the
lawyers
are
doing
parallely
the
work
because,
because
and
they're
getting
burned
out,
they're
staying
up
all
night
doing,
exhibits
and
leaving
and
how
valuable
are
the
paralegals
I
mean
you
guys?
Are
we.
X
X
People
in
that
classification
do
a
really
really
high
volume
of
customer
service
work.
They
take
enormous
amounts
of
phone
calls
and
they
do
all
of
our
review
and
modification.
So
every
time
somebody
it
becomes
eligible,
you
become
eligible
for
review
automatically
once
every
three
years
they
get
that
and
work.
It
also
anytime
somebody
just
files,
a
request
and
says:
something's
changed,
I've
lost
my
job
or
the
other
person
won
the
lottery
they
get
those
and
and
they
work
those
so
they're
very
valuable.
X
X
19
attorney
referees
and
18
of
the
people
who
were
operating
in
a
paralegal
capacity.
It.
A
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
know
we're
already
over
on
time,
so
I'll
just
I'll,
narrow
it
down
I,
guess
to
maybe
one
com
question
as
I.
Listen
to
this
presentation.
You
know
it's
really
disheartening
to
me
because
it
seems
like
with
each
department
we
hear
from.
We
realize
how
many
gaping
holes
there
are
as
a
county,
which
is
really
really
disheartening.
L
As
a
new
commissioner,
whether
it's
the
case
management
system
judgment
to
your
point
of
the
the
attorneys
who
are
coming
and
making
sixty
dollars
an
hour
to
represent
these
abusive,
neglected
children,
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
people
so
I
guess
coming
in
with
all
of
seven
months
in
this
eight
months
in
his
position,
just
at
a
40
000
foot
level.
Can
you
explain
to
me?
How
did
we
get
to
the
point
that
these
attorneys
are
making
sixty
dollars
to
come
through
this
case?
This
didn't
happen
overnight.
L
W
So
I
mean
first
of
all,
I
feel
for
many
many
years
we
paid
a
very
competitive
rate,
so
for
many
many
years,
I
think
Oakland
County
was
sort
of
above
the
curve.
So,
even
though
right
now,
we
find
ourselves
in
a
position
where
we're
not
I
think
that's
part
of
the
societal
focus
on
making
sure
that
people
in
our
juvenile
justice
system
and
our
Criminal
Justice
System
have
Fair
representation.
So
I
think
that's
been
a
societal
thing,
that's
increased
but
probably
and
I'm.
W
You
know,
I
know
that
as
a
court
we've
come
down
in
our
budget,
we've
asked
for
increases
over
the
years,
but
they
are
huge
numbers.
So
it's
just
so
hard.
W
If
we
want
to
pay
what
we
are
paying
our
attorneys
representing
our
adult
criminals,
we
we
need
4.6
million
dollars,
okay,
that
that
includes
delinquents,
so
it
would
probably
be
three
million
dollars.
Okay
and
I
should
have
got
a
more
specific
number
for
our
gardenhead
items
that
represent
our
kids
that
are
attorneys
for
the
children,
that's
about
1.4
million
dollars
and
that's
just
to
pay
them
like
a
hundred
twenty
dollars.
W
But
I
would
say
it's
been
years
in
the
making,
and
part
of
it
has
been
that
we've
tried
to
increase
things
here
and
there.
So
we
we've
kept
our
our
bar
happy
but
they're
unhappy.
Now
and
now
it's
more
exemplified
because
we
have
a
group
of
appointed
lawyers
that
are
being
paid
twice
three
times
what
they're
being
paid.
So
that's
what
put
a
spotlight
on
here
we
are
today.
Y
R
V
Y
H
What
did
the
change
has
been
implicated
with
the
loss
of
positions
that
previously
were
in
the
court?
For
example,
we
no
longer
have
the
number
of
court
reporters
we
want
to
used
to
have
because
we
switched
to
technology.
However,
those
technology
costs
also
add
to
the
budget,
as
anyone
Whoever
has
a
device
realizes
that
year
after
year,
there's
an
incremental
cost
that
goes
with
that
device.
So
you
have
those
technology
costs
coming
out.
H
W
H
A
Z
Have
you
put
any
requests
for
this
because
I
didn't
mention
this?
Yes,
okay,
as
long
as
it's
in
there
yeah,
because
you
have
to
have
the
right
tools
to
do
the
right
job
and
we
talked
about
this
yesterday
with
the
prosecutor's
office.
It
needs
to
be
fixed
because
we're
in
a
huge
competitive
world
for
everything
labor
come
here,
which
is
one
of
the
biggest
things
you
know,
I
support
it.
I
support.
A
P
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
you
to
the
Circuit
Court.
It's
not
a
freaking
picture,
but
we're
glad
you
came
and
talked
to
us
and
it's
very
educational
I
think,
especially
for
some
of
our
newer
Commissioners
trying
to
understand
where
all
the
money
goes
and
how
it
flows.
I
did
have
I
guess
one.
A
Question
I
know
some
of
these
changes
that
the
state
has
mandated
come
with
funding,
but
you're
telling
me
a
lot
of
it
does
not
that
we've
just
been
asked
to
do
more
and
there's
really
no
funding
that
has
come
with
it.
Mandy.
Is
that
that's
true?
That's.
U
All
right,
yeah,
yeah,
yes,
I,
think
that
is.
That
is
true-
that
we
frequently
see
mandates
imposed
where
there
is
no
funding
provided.
Yes,.
A
I
think
that's
true,
not
only
for
the
courts.
We
have
other
departments
that
that's
the
same
situation,
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
one.
V
It
was
a
mandate
for
increased
money
for
expert
Witnesses
in
juvenile
cases
because
of
new
case
law
findings
from
the
Supreme
Court.
We
know
that
these
types
of
experts
are
going
to
be
required
in
cases,
and
so
we
needed
to
have
money
in
our
budget.
The
county
executive's
office
did
approve
that
after
court,
Council
reviewed
it
and
affirmed
that
that
mandate
was
likely
to
impact
our
budget.
In
that
way,.
A
A
All
right
so
with
that
we're
going
to
move
into
our
third
group
today,
we
apologize
for
you
know
a
little
bit
late,
but
you
can
imagine
how
this
goes
and
we
have
Charlie.
So.
Q
Q
A
Sorry
all
right
so
apparently
joking
aside,
welcome
and
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourselves
and
then
make
your
presentation
and
we'll
have
questions
for
you
afterwards.
Y
Sounds
good!
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Linda
Hallmark
I
am
the
chief
judge
of
the
probate
court
and
some
of
you
I
know
page
four,
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
new,
welcome
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
today
and
be
able
to
talk
to
you
answer.
Questions
I
was
just
saying
to
Gwen.
I
know
you're
hearing
a
lot
of
problems
and
we
don't
expect
all
of
our
problems
are
going
to
be
solved,
but
hopefully
we
can
make
some
progress
to
addressing
some
of
them
forward
strides.
So
that's
that's
really.
Y
Why
we're
here
at
Hudson,
wonderful
court
administrator
and,
of
course,
you
know
Chris
I'm,
going
to
let
them
talk
about
all
of
the
numbers,
because
they're
much
better
at
the
numbers
than
I
am
but
on
behalf
of
my
colleagues
and
myself
again,
I
wanted
to
just
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
with
you
and
just
quickly.
I
thought:
I'd
kind
of
go
through
I.
Don't
know
if
you've
got
our
report,
but
just
a
little
bit
about
what
probate
does
you
heard
from
our
Circuit
Court?
Y
We
work
very
closely
with
the
circuit
court,
but
probate
is
an
independent
Court,
not
necessarily
connected.
We
do
have
some
joint
business
operations
between
our
courts
but
probate
handles.
You
know
just
what
you
would
expect
Wills
Estates
trust.
We
do
adult
and
minor
guardianships
and
conservatorships.
We
have
a
docket
for
developmentally
disabled
Guardians.
We
also
do
mental
health
commitment,
hearings
and
I
have
a
whole
mental
health
jacket.
Y
So
those
are
the
major
things
that
we
do
and
because
in
Michigan
and
in
Oakland
County
the
demographics
show
us
the
population
is
aging,
so
we
are
increasing
our
caseloads
substantially,
it's
true
all
through
our
throughout
our
state,
but
we
we're
really
looking
at
the
numbers
in
Oakland
County.
We
have
a
statistic
and
I
think
Chris
might
talk
about
it.
A
little
bit
in
2003.
Y
Let's
see
we
had
57
positions
hold
on
I'm.
Sorry,
we
had
63
positions,
we
currently
have
57,
so
our
staffing
has
gone
down.
Our
caseload
increase
is
41
over
the
last
20
years,
so
we're
working
very
hard,
we're
doing
more
with
less
and
you've
probably
heard
that
from
my
circuit
colleagues
as
well
and
I'm
going
to
let
Ed
perhaps
have
a
few
comments
and
talk
about
some
of
the
numbers.
Absolutely.
AA
Thank
you
judge
and
thanks
everybody
for
giving
us
a
portion
of
your
time
today
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
the
Probate
Court.
What
we
do
and
the
people
we
help
and
I
will
try
to
not
get
too
passionate
about
the
people
that
we
help,
because
that's
it's
just
in
my
heart
and
it
comes
from
deep
within
and
we
help
the
the
most
vulnerable
Democrat
demographic
of
our
society
and
I.
Don't
take
that
for
granted
and
I.
AA
Don't
think
anybody
in
the
Probate
Court
does
it's
it's
not
the
easiest
place
to
work
and
and
the
easiest
line
of
work
and
when
I
say
the
probate,
it's
not
just
the
court,
it's
not
just
our
great
judges
or
just
our
great
staff,
but
it's
a
lot
of
great
attorneys
that
are
appointed
a
lot
of
medical
professionals
and
social
workers
that
Encompass
this
great
group
of
people
that
really
are
trying
to
make
a
difference
every
day
in
the
whole
world.
So
it's
it.
AA
It
encompasses
all
of
that
and
I'm
proud
to
be
a
part
of
it.
So,
as
judge
Hallmark
mentioned
as
far
as
our
staffing
goes,
we
are
doing
our
case.
Cases
continue
to
rise
annually
from
last
year,
they're
up
five
percent,
which
I
used
to
be
able
to
say
that
every
year
our
cases
go
up.
Our
caseload
goes
up
and
it's
about
five
percent
that
tracks
pretty
pretty
close
year
by
year,
but
we
did
have
a
year
or
two
during
covid,
where
they
didn't
go
up.
AA
So
I
can't
say
that
anymore,
but
for
the
exception
that
is
covered,
our
numbers
continue
to
climb
everything
points
that
and
the
direction
that
they
will
continue
to
climb
in
the
future.
They've
got
Oakland
county
is
great
and
attracting
more
people.
So,
as
our
our
population
grows,
the
use
of
the
probate
court
is
going
to
grow
as
the
population
Ages,
which
is
a
a
nationwide
phenomenon,
call
it.
You
know
the
Baby
Boomers,
a
silver
tsunami
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
AA
That's
going
to
continue
so
the
the
services
that
we
provide
are
going
to
continue
to
be
more
and
more
in
demand
with
that
increase
in
demand,
of
course,
is
going
to
be
an
increase
in
the
need
for
resources.
Our
space
is
one
issue.
We
have
outgrown
our
space.
We
we
have
currently
have
three
file
rooms
in
the
basement
of
the
courthouse,
because
our
current
file
room
is,
is
so
far
insufficient
for
the
filing
that
we
have.
AA
So
if
you
can
picture
a
customer
coming
in
and
needing
a
file
or
needing
a
document,
we
have
to
send
a
staff
member
all
the
way
down
to
the
basement,
which
could
take
20
to
30
minutes
to
retrieve
a
file
or
a
document
which
slows
down
the
entire
process
of
puts
a
huge
burden
on
our
staff.
To
have
to
do
that.
Y
AA
Earliest
I
think
we
can,
we
can
destroy,
any
of
them
is
80
years
and
and
some
of
them
are
listed
as
as
forever
now
we
can,
at
a
certain
point,
switch
them
over
to
micro
fish,
which
we
do
we're
working
on
digitizing,
the
ones
that
we
can,
but
we
have
to
work
within
the
parameters
that
scale
or
the
state
court
Administrative
Office
sets
for
us.
AA
So
we
work
within
those
do
the
best
we
can
to
free
up
space,
but
we're
just
so
far
beyond
our
little
file
room
that
we
have
that
we're
we're
now
using
three
different
storage
rooms
in
the
basement.
If
you
go
downstairs
through
the
cafeteria
there's
a
back
door
and
there's
storage
rooms
back
there
and
that's
what
we're
using
right
now.
So
we
have
active
Case,
Files
yeah,
which
is
just
really
really
inefficient,
puts
a
big
strain
on
our
staff.
AA
With
that
said,
our
court,
our
judges,
our
staff,
are
hard-working
they're,
fantastic,
our
judges
right
now,
I
mean
they're
kind
of
the
Dream
Team
they're
they're,
so
good,
and
these
numbers
I've
included
some
of
our
performance
measures
that
we
report
to
scale
just
to
show
that
I
know
guardianship,
conservatorship
case
age
rate,
isn't
intuitive
to
look
at
that
and
know
what
it
is.
But
I
just
put
it
in
there,
because
I
want
to
show
that
we're
we're
above
the
big
County
average
in
our
state.
For
our
Guardianship
and
conservatorship
case
age
rates.
AA
Age
rates,
again
percent
disposed
within
364
days,
we're
well
above
the
scale
initial
Time,
Guidelines
percent
disposed
within
728
or
above
the
big
County
average.
So
our
our
great
staff
and
our
great
judges
are
doing
so
well,
even
though
we're
our
caseload
goes
up,
we
we
are
for
in
most
instances
in
most
ways
and
in
the
most
important
ways,
doing
a
fabulous
job
of
keeping
up
and
and
doing
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
and
helping
the
people
that
we
need
to
help.
AA
Some
of
our
future
needs
I've
been
watching
the
other
presentations
from
the
other
departments,
just
in
anticipation
of
this
today
and
the
whole
time
I'm
going
yes
and
that
and
that,
if
you're
in
this
building
I
think
you
you
have
the
same
things
going
on
fire
suppression,
we
don't
have
any
fire
suppression
in
our
in
our
file
rooms,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
to
ask
for,
because
I
don't
want
to
ask
for
too
much
and
not
get
anything
it's
kind
of
like
where
do
the?
Where
do
you
start
typing
of
things?
AA
The
increased
funding
for
court
appointed
attorneys?
This
is
a
trickle
down
that
affects
any
court
that
has
appointed
attorneys,
so
you
had
the
mdic
come
in
or
midc
come
in
and,
and
they
said
this
right,
they
did
a
study
and
they
set
a
rate
which
I
actually
think
is
a
fair
rate.
I
think
it's
a
good
rate
and
I
completely
support
it,
but
we're
in
the
same
situation
with
our
court
appointed
attorneys
that
we're
losing
them.
AA
We
have
our
tried
and
true
probate
attorneys
that
that
are
still
there
and
we're
relying
more
and
more
on,
but
we're
not
going
to
attract
new
attorneys
they're
not
going
to
come
in
the
up
and
comers
they're
not
going
to
be
there
when
they
can
go,
make
three
four
times
as
much
for
at
a
different
court
for
another
appointment
and
then
that's
just
going
to
be.
AA
We
always
try
to
stay
locked
up
with
circuit
court,
because
if
our
fees
were,
if
we
paid
more
than
them
or
they
pay
more
than
us
again,
it's
the
same
situation,
we're
going
to
lose
our
appointed
attorneys
to
them
or
they're
going
to
lose
them
to
us.
So
we
try
to
stay
the
same.
So
it's
just
the
big
picture
as
far
as
appointed
attorneys.
If
we're
going
to
have
attorneys
that
are
assisting
and
representing
these
vulnerable
individuals,
these
incapacitated
individuals,
we
got
to
pay
them
a
competitive
wage.
Y
You
know
if
the
person
objects
to
having
a
guardian
or
conservator
who
are
mandated
to
appoint
Council
for
that.
So
it's
not
a
discretionary
thing,
it's
in
the
statute
and
we
have
to
abide
by
it
and,
as
Ed
said
often
we're
scrambling
to
get
those
lawyers
and
they're
always
an
emergency.
Everything
has
to
come
in
pretty
quickly
if
somebody's
in
a
vulnerable
situation
so.
V
Every
conversation
I've
had
with
somebody
in
Lansing
about
like
the
new
legislation,
that's
coming
to
cover
midc,
you
know
pulling
the
DLS
under
mitc
and
talked
with
people
and
I
asked
them.
What
are
the
plans
for
probate?
Is
anybody
doing
anything
for
probate,
because
they're
court
appointed
attorneys
there
too,
and
people
are
like
probative
points,
attorneys
I
swear.
Nobody
seems
to
identify
the
fact
that
there
is
counsel
that
gets
appointed
at
the
Probate
Court
people
forget
that
unless
you're,
that's
your
area
of
specialty,
you
know
yeah.
Y
AA
And
things
that
judge
Langdon
said
she
was
spot
on
across
the
board
and
you
know
where,
where
our
priorities
and
and
why
aren't
in
their
case
the
children
the
priority?
And
in
our
case,
why
aren't
these
elderly
incapacitated
individuals
that
can't
protect
themselves
that
that
can't
speak
for
themselves?
Why
are
they
not
a
priority?
You
know
and
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we're
looking
at
here
and
I
I.
AA
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that
I
mean
they
they
absolutely
shouldn't
be
so
I
would
just
ask
that
that
whatever
considerations,
I
I
want
their
request
to
be
considered
in
ours
to
be
considered
right
along
with
it
because
their
their
lockstep
one
and
the
same
they
affect
one
Court,
just
as
much
as
they
do.
The
other.
A
Well,
I
think
the
purpose
of
these
one
of
the
most
important
purposes
of
these
hearings
is
issues
like
this
get
elevated
and
it's
not
the
same
issue
from
year
to
year
or
it
might
be,
but
the
conversations
and
the
the
synergies
that
exist
like
if
we
hear
the
same
thing
from
you
for
probate
and
the
same
thing
for
circuit
court
and
it's
related
to
what's
going
on
at
the
prosecutor's
office
and
so
on.
A
It
just
allows
us
to
take
a
more
holistic
top
down
in
the
look
of
the
at
the
whole
situation
and
you're
right,
we're
not
going
to
solve
it
between
now
and
budget
wrap
up
in
three
weeks,
but
it's
certainly
important
to
have
the
topics,
elevated
and
discussed
so
that
as
time
goes
on,
you
know,
maybe
we
can
help
you.
My
State
Rep
is
the
head
of
the
Judiciary
Committee
at
the
state.
So
maybe
there's
something
we
can.
You
know
a
connection
that
can
be
made.
So
it's
those
kinds
of
conversations
that
are
important.
Yeah.
AA
Y
AA
With
us
people
that
didn't
come
back
and
you
know
why
I
I
don't
know
exactly
and
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
can
to
attract
new
new
Talent
all
the
time,
not
only
for
that,
but
but
other
other
things
too
in
the
court,
so
we're
working
on
it
we're
trying
to
get
back
to
where
we
were,
but
but
without
the
funding
without
the
proper
funding.
On
that
to
be
competitive,
we.
V
Our
estimate
was,
it
was
increase.
Those
attorney
rates
to
a
rate
that
is
similar
to
the
midc
rate
being
paid
currently.
AA
Chris,
would
you
touch
on
the
increasing
costs
for
medical
exams
and
services?
Yes,.
V
We
were
we
had
requested.
Last
year
we
were
going
to
have
a
shortfall
in
the
medical
exam,
so
we
have
to
pay
professionals
to
do
evaluations
on
individuals
as
part
of
the
the
court
process,
and
we
were
going
to
be
short
on
that
line
item.
We
were
given
an
increase,
thankfully
from
I
think
Kyle
gen
talked
with
our
court
administrator
and
and
John
my
predecessor
and
the
only
problem
was
it
didn't
carry
over.
V
So
we
did
ask
again
this
year
for
it
to
be
carried
over
and
they
did
add
that
to
our
budget.
So
we
are
currently
paying
our
medical
professionals
that
do
the
evaluations.
It
was
75
we've
gone
to
125
because
we
just
could
not
get
people,
so
it's
125
an
hour
with
a
four
hour
maximum,
so
roughly
500
and
then
seventy
five
dollars,
if
they're
required
to
testify
in
court.
V
If
we
send
out
somebody
for
an
independent
evaluation,
we
can
expect
that
bill
to
be
2500
to
4,
000
and
I,
see
in
that
in
your
head.
You
know
what
I'm
talking
about
I
know,
so
we
still
don't
pay
much
in
the
the
world
of
evaluations.
V
The
hourly
rate
that
we're
paying
is
that
much,
but
we
were,
we
did
receive
a
small
increase
in
that
line
item
to
be
able
to
maintain
that
125
dollars
the
four
hour
minimum
or
maximum
expect
that
rate
to
continue
to
climb,
though,
and
and
to
stay
competitive
by
next
year's
budget.
We
may
be
coming
back
asking
for
more
I,
think
we've
seen
you
know
the
shortages
of
professionals
available
and
the
you
know
you're
paying
15
for
unscope
labor
at
McDonald's,
right
or
Taco
Bell.
So
four
of
these
professionals,
it's
the
doctors.
AA
Sure
yeah
up
next
we
have
furniture
and
I
passed
out.
I
passed
out
our
annual
reports.
Just
so
you
have
all
the
information.
AA
AA
This
is
our
mental
health
office
and
it
is
a
little
tiny
space
and
I
put
my
star
employees
in
there,
because
they
are
so
busy
with
all
the
cases
and
and
they've
been
extra
busy
lately
and
they're
just
about
on
top
of
one
another,
and
they
have
this
old
furniture,
some
of
which
is
being
actually
held
together
by
I,
take
and
it
it
is
difficult
to
organize
they
do
their
best.
They
reorganize
it
and
try
to
make
it
better
and
try
to
increase
the
space
in
there.
AA
Commissioner
Charles,
you
said
at
one
during
one
of
the
other
meetings
earlier
this
year
that
we're
a
world
leading,
County
and
and
I.
Look
at
I.
Look
at
this
office.
I
think
this.
This
isn't
a
world
leading
County.
AA
We
can
do
better
than
this
right
and-
and
this
leads
to
to
my
staff
being
burned
out
and
one
of
my
most
important
offices
and
one
of
the
offices
that
I
think
should
be
most
important
to
our
communities,
our
our
mental
health
office,
that
is,
the
gateway
to
Mental,
Health
Services,
and
they
get
burned
out
they
they
could.
AA
They
leave
that
I
could
turn
over
I
can't
I
can't
keep
the
best
employees
in
an
area
where
I
need
them,
because
I
can't
give
them
a
suitable
environment
where
they
can
Thrive
and
provide
the
services
that
we
need
them
to
do.
We've
asked
for
furniture
for
this,
so
we've
we've
never
been
able
to
get
it,
and
and
we
need
it,
they
they
needed.
This.
E
V
Desks
being
elevated
on
these
little
plastic,
stackable
risers
was
the
solution
to
the
fact
that
they
were
cutting
the
employees,
because
it
was
rough,
I,
I
think,
because
the
county
went
to
these
new
standard
chairs.
You
don't
have
them
in
here
anywhere,
but
there's
a
new
standard.
County
chair
that
standard
County
chair
has
a
higher
elevation,
which
is
probably
more
ergonomically
correct
than
our
old
office
chairs.
V
But
having
that
new
higher
elevation
elevates,
your
legs
makes
these
old
desks
that
are
29,
inches,
28
and
a
half
something
like
that
when
we
measure
it's
a
little
lower
than
the
standard
and
certainly
not
comfortable
to
sit
at
in
the
new
chairs,
so
the
solution
that
they
gave
was
to
elevate
them,
and
we
did
ask
for
thirty,
eight
thousand
dollars
to
outfit
the
county
standards
at
stand
desks
in
this
room.
This
is
a
public
room.
People
come
into
it.
They
go
to
the
front
counter.
V
Y
Indicate
Chris
I
mean
just
today:
I
had
a
case
come
in
a
father
with
a
suicide,
little
Sun
comes
into
this
office
and
you
know
we're
kind
of
saying
to
him.
It's
not
really
that
important
to
us,
because
this
is
you
know
this
is
what
you
see
when
you
walk
in
the
door.
So
this
man
comes
in
in
this
terrible
crisis
wants
to
get
help
for
his
son,
and
this
is
how
we
service
them.
Y
AA
Breaks
my
heart
yeah,
that's
a
great
point:
we
have
a
dress
code
because
we
want
people
to
know
that
when
they
come
in
and
they're
going
through,
what's
probably
the
worst
day
of
their
life
that
we
take
that
seriously
and
that
they
were
competent
and
we
can,
they
can
count
on
us
to
to
work
with
them
and
work
them
through
that.
This
is
similar
to
that,
and
this
is
you
know
it.
Y
A
Q
Q
V
And
and
Jason
and
Ed
are
wonderful
and
they're,
always
very
helpful,
so
I
don't
want
to
say
anything
bad
about
them
and
I
gave
them
a
picture
as
they
left
and
I
said
guys.
We're
going
to
be
showing
this
picture.
How
unfortunate
that
we
went
in
this
order.
You
know
it's
a
good
one
but
Jason
the
last
conversation
that
we
had.
He
indicated
that
his
budget
had
been
cut
and
I.
V
Don't
know
why
or
what
the
what
his
budget
looks
like,
but
he
indicated
his
budget
had
been
cut
for
these
types
of
things,
and
so
he
would
put
us
on
his
plan
and
I
believe
that
he
would,
but
we
were
looking
at
I,
think,
26
or
27
to
get
furniture
so
because
he
really
all
of
his
budget.
His
entire.
You
know.
Budget
was
already
spoken
for
in
three
projects:
He
had
like
four
million
dollars
and
all
of
it
was
gone.
Okay,.
AA
Yeah,
what
a
tough
position
they're
in
and
yeah
by
no
means
this-
is
to
blame
them
or
disparage
them.
I
mean
gosh
as
I've
been
listening
to
these
I
realize
everybody
there's
so
many
concerns,
and
so
many
needs
and
they're
there
with
you
know
only
so
much.
They
can
do
so
completely
understand
where
they're
coming
from
as
well,
and
then
this
has
been
an
issue.
It's
hard
to
just
look
at
this
and
know
what's
going
on
here,
but
but
actually
this
is
our
service
counter
and
there
is.
AA
There
is
nothing
securing
this
counter,
not
as
not
even
a
swinging
door
or
anything.
We
have
children
come
behind
the
counter,
sometimes
when
they
they
get
away
from
their
parents
every
time
there
is
a
situation
where
there
is
one
of
you
know
a
shooting
or
or
one
of
these
violent
attacks
that
have
happened
way
too
often
a
whole
different
thing,
but
I
get
emails
from
my
staff
and
they
say
we're
not
safe.
AA
There
is
nothing
keeping
somebody
and
and
in
a
court
any
court,
it's
a
very
emotional
charged
environment
oftentimes
and
we
have
had
incidents
luckily,
where
nobody's
been
injured,
but
but
we
have
had
some
incidents
several
where
the
deputies
have
to
come
in
and
take
somebody
up
and
there's
nothing
from
keeping
somebody
out
away
from
our
staff
or
keeping
our
staff
safe.
AA
There
are
times
that,
where
I'm
in
my
office
after
hours-
and
there
has
been
somebody
coming
through
the
work,
spaces
and
I-
can
hear
them,
saying
hello,
hello,
but
and
I
go
out
there
and
they're,
because
there
was
nothing
to
keep
them
there.
Now
originally
I
had
a
grand
plan
and
we
were
going
to
wall
it
all
off
and
it
was
going
to
be
secure
and
it
was
going
to
keep
germs
out
and
attackers.
G
AA
And
it
was
going
to
be
great
and
that
that
was
you
know,
I
was
told
right
away
like
there's,
there's
definitely
no
funding
for
that.
So,
okay,
so
all
right!
Well,
let's,
let's
build
something
solid
here,
some
doors
and
some
walls
and
then-
and
that
didn't
happen
and
and
I've
asked
for
just
some
swinging
doors,
at
least
temporarily,
until
we
can
improve
that
and
just
to
delineate
to
the
public
that
that
this
is.
This
is
you're
going
into
the
the
personal
private
work
area.
AA
Only
from
here
and
and
still
haven't,
haven't
been
able
to
get
that
and
I
I
checked
my
emails
I
know
just
The
Swinging
Doors
that
goes
back
a
year
and
a
half
I
think
March
20th
I
think
was
was
when
I
asked
for
that
March
20th
2022..
AA
So
it's
just
something
that
my
staff's
not
safe
and
when
they
come
to
me,
I
I
can't
promise
them
that
they
are
I
can
hope
that
nobody's
going
to
get
a
weapon
through
the
security,
but
I
can't
tell
them
some.
Some
strong
individual
is
not
going
to
pick
up
letter
opener
or
stapler
and
walk
back
there
because
there's
nothing.
Stopping
them
from
doing
it.
G
Z
V
Where
that
lady
is
right
there
behind
her,
that
used
to
be
the
printer
that
the
cashier
had
to
go
to
to
get
the
receipt,
so
they
physically
had
to
walk
away
from
the
cash
area
to
get
their
seats.
So
we
were
able
to
get.
E
V
Little
bit
of
change
but
passive
security
with
built
with
a
swinging
door.
Anything
like
that
would
be
at
least
helpful.
At
least
it
gives
people
the
idea
that
you
shouldn't
come
back
here.
This
is
where
the
records
are.
This
is
where
the
employees
go
and
I.
Think
Jason
also
indicated
that
this
was
a
more
secure
project
was
in
the
works
or
being
planned,
but
again
his
budget
did
not
facilitate
being
able
to
do
that
at
this
time
it
was
years
kind
of
we
were
getting
in
line
which
I
I
swear.
V
Are
the
Departments
okay
with
it
getting
in
line?
I?
Think
that
was
you?
Who
has
that?
And
you
know
no,
not
necessarily.
We
have
needs
that.
You
know
everybody
thinks
their
stuff
is
the
most
important,
but
these
are
some
basic
things
and
it's
worth
noting
that
the
rest
of
probate
back
behind
where
that
front
counter
is
got
new
desks
during
covet.
V
So
the
county
executive
did
give
them
new
desks
during
covid
in
part
because
we
had
to
get
people
six
feet
apart
and
the
old
desks
did
not
allow
that
because
of
the
configuration
limitations,
so
we
did
get
new
desks
for
them.
So
now
the
people
that
work
over
in
mental
health
are
the
only
people
that
don't
have
a
more
modern
workspace,
something
that's
ergonomically,
correct.
AA
I
think
when
this
is
my
sixth
one
to
six
one
of
these
meetings
and
and
early
on,
it
was
more
staff
and
and
things
that
that
weren't
such
a
pressing
have
to
have
like
safety,
but
but
that's
that's
where
we're
at
right
now
is,
is
looking
at
safety
and
I.
Think
the
thing
that
looms
over
all
of
this
is
you
know,
because
our
space
is
inadequate,
so
all
right,
how
much
did
we
put
into
making
this
space
adequate?
AA
How
much
do
we
put
into
securing
this,
or
do
we
look
a
little
further
down
the
road
and
figure
out
a
long-term
solution,
because
I
really
don't
think
that
our
space
right
now
is
our
future
I
know
I,
don't
think
that
we
can
survive
there
a
whole
lot
longer
and
keep
making
it
work.
We
keep
finding
workarounds,
but
that's
a
losing
proposition,
so
I
think
the
big
picture
needs
to
be
addressed
at
some
point,
but
in
the
meantime
these
are
our
basic
basic
needs
that
that
we
we
ask
that
you
consider
for
us,
have.
V
E
V
AA
This
is
basically
just
a
rundown
of
things
that
we've
already
touched
on,
so
I
won't
belabor
the
point
Statewide
e
filing.
That
is
something
that
would
continue.
I
can't
believe,
I'm
still
saying
this
after
I,
don't
know
how
many
years,
every
year,
I
come
and
say:
hey
we're
on
the
cusp
of
e-filing
and
it's
going
to
help
us
to
make
us
more
efficient
and
we're
still
not
there.
AA
Yet
there's
still
only
one
in
this
day
out
of
us
pilot
in
the
states,
I
am
going
to
jump
on
that
as
soon
as
the
opportunity
is
available,
I
want
to
get
rid
of
every
piece
of
paper
in
the
place,
but
until
they
allow
it,
that's
where
we're
at
Staffing.
We
already
talked
about
the
increase
and
we're
expect
that
to
continue,
and
then
our
space
issues
we've
just
outgrown
our
space,
but
we've
already
talked
about
that.
So
with
that
said,
thank
you
very
much
for
listening
to
our
presentation.
A
First
up
we
have
commissioner
Robin
followed
by
commissioner.
L
AA
We
presented
it,
we
went
over
and
we
met
and
we
we
had
gave
a
presentation
on
our
needs.
Q
L
V
More
than
20
38
for
the
furniture
I
don't
know
exactly
depending
on
what
they
do
for
the
security
I.
Don't
have
an
estimate
on
the
security,
but
I
think
the
executive's
response
was
that
you
need
to
talk
to
facilities
about
there
so
in
facilities
responses.
We
don't
have
any
money
in
our
budget
for
this,
but
we'll
put
you
on
the
list.
You
know
that's
kind
of
the
response,
so
it's
we're
sort
of
in
a
you
know,
a
circle.
AA
AA
L
Y
V
Advisory
staff
too
they
use
they.
Now
they
used
to
have
more
supervisors
have
like
we
had
like
Julie,
and
that's
it.
There
used
to
be
two
Julies,
for
instance,
at
one
time,
and
there
were
there
were
more
clerical
staff
to
help
and
more
supervisory
staff
to
help
train
and
assist,
and
you
know
just
trying
to
get
destruction
done
right,
I
think
as
a
family
and.
L
These
are
not
super
costly
positions.
I
guess
is
where
I'm.
AA
It's
for
his
need,
yeah!
If,
if
we
had
four
it
would
it
would
be
something
it
would
it
would?
You
know
if
I
could
put
two
more
people
and
add
to
that
mental
health
office
with
the
with
the
old
furniture
it
would
I
was
over
there
talking
to
them
today.
Saying:
okay
I,
have
this
presentation
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
board?
What
what
can
I
you
guys
are
in
a
place
of
need
more
than
anywhere
else.
What
can
I
do
for
you?
What
can
I
ask
for
you
and
I
said
gosh?
AA
We
need
more
help.
We
need
more
help
for
sure
that
the
cases
are
increasing.
Just
they
just
keep
going
up
and
they
can
do
there's
only
so
many
of
us
so
especially
if,
if
one
of
them's
out
or
two
of
them's
out
it
just
overwhelms
whoever's
left
because
there's
so
few
so
yeah.
Y
L
And
then
my
last
was
an
easy
one.
So,
with
the
services
you
provide,
are
there
any
fees
paid
or
costs
recouped
in
the
process
of
doing
what
you
do,
I,
don't
know
much
about
each
division
of
the
legal
system,
so
I
wasn't
sure
in
the
probate
world.
Is
there
any
Revenue
that
you're,
generating
or
costs
coming
back
to
that?
That
could.
AA
V
Than
I
am
many
of
our
fees,
we
do
have
Revenue
that
comes
in
I.
Don't
think
you
would
consider
us
a
donor
Department,
we're
not
bringing
in
more
than
we
are
expending
in
services,
but
we
do
have
Revenue.
That
comes
in
what
were
we
last
year
for
Revenue
close
to
well
for
2022
close
to
a
million
dollars.
They
came
in
most
of
the
fees
that
we
charge
are
mandated
fees
and
they
are
split
different
ways
like
some
stays
with
the
court.
Some
goes
back
to
the
state.
V
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
any
totally
discretionary
fees
that
we
charge.
I
know.
Yesterday
our
Circuit
County
Clerk
mentioned
marriage
fees
and
what
she
charges
to
marry.
Somebody
or
expedite
that.
Y
D
V
So
I
wish
I
could
tell
you
better
because
I
didn't
work
on
the
FY
23
budget.
Really
it's
the
24
budgets,
mind
John
was
still
my
predecessor
was
still
in
place.
Primarily,
although
I
had
some
interaction
with
it,
I
don't
know
what
it
was
that
went
down.
I
can
see
that
they
projected
gross
estate
fees
to
be
less.
They
projected
some
of
the
revenues
to
go
down
the
copy
fee.
They
projected
to
go
down,
but
I.
Don't
know
that
that
is
I
I
think
we
might
be
running
ahead.
V
Actually,
my
guess
is
that
FY
22
the
budget
was
probably
lower
than
what
they
brought
in
as
well.
They
probably
just
didn't
increase
the
revenue
projections
for
23.
and
I
I
know
we
have
some
staff
here
from
Cisco.
Do
you
have
our
FY
20
22
recommended
Revenue
in
front
of
you
for
probate?
I
can
try
and
oh
actually.
A
V
V
I,
don't
know
I
wasn't
part
of
preparing
that
per
se,
but
I
think
that
this
money
goes
back
to
the
County
General
funds,
but
doesn't
directly
come
to
the
probate
court.
So
it's
not
like
Probate
Court
would
lose
money
out
of
their
budget
if
their
revenues
were
lower.
Necessarily,
okay,.
D
AA
Basically,
everything
that
we
do
every
fee
that
we
charge
and
every
service
that
we
provide
is
all
statutorily
required.
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we
go
we're
not
we
there's
things
that
we
could
do
that.
We
would
like
to
do
that.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
offer
additional
Services
beyond
what
is
absolutely
required
by
statue
for
us.
So
we
stay
within
those
parameters.
Okay,.
V
AA
D
Up
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
do
you
have
like
waivers
or
a
few
production
opportunities
for
people,
or
so
people
can
smile
with
you
and
it'll
cost
them
zero
dollars.
Okay,
I
also
was
curious,
because
this
happened
with
the
circuit
Circuit.
Court
too
was
talking
about
midc,
and
the
court
appointed
attorneys.
D
D
AA
Attorneys
there
will
be
those,
but
that
won't
be
the
main
things.
So
what's
the
change?
Are
we
really
like?
You
won't
have
midc,
because
that
doesn't
apply
to
us,
but
our
attorneys
are
going
to
go
in
that
direction,
based
on
the
discrepancy
and
the
compensation
for
the
services
that
they
provide
and
continue
to
offer.
AA
What
we're
offering
now,
there's
no
incentive
for
them
to
even
start
probate
as
a
new
attorney
coming
out,
and
we
need
to
attract
and
retain
new
attorneys
new
up-and-comers
to
replace
the
ones
that
as
they
retire
and
they're,
never
going
to
do
that
when
they
come
into
the
workforce
and
say
okay,
I
can
be
appointed
over
here
and
make
three
times
as
much
as
I
can
for
probate.
I'm
not
going
to
do
it.
Y
I
AA
V
Yeah
yeah,
our
rate,
would
the
permit
rate
would
be
more
comparable
when
you
look
at
the
hours
of
preparation
that
somebody
has
to
do
and
then
preparing
the
documentation,
the
orders
after
a
hearing
and
then
participating
in
the
hearing
visiting
the
individual,
it's
going
to
be
more
comparable
to
that
20.
An
hour
figure
that
judge
Langton
give
gave
you
they're
extraordinary.
V
If
they
have
extraordinary
fees
or
something
special
that
they
do,
they
can
request
up
to
60
an
hour,
but
they
have
to
prepare
something
special
and
show
that
they
did
something
special
to
even
qualify
for
that
rate
and
law.
School
is
expensive.
A
C
Y
C
C
AA
AA
C
A
Okay,
I,
don't
have
any
other
Commissioners
requesting
to
speak.
I
think
that's
the
Probate
Court
presentation
for.
C
AA
F
A
An
opportunity
to
be
processed
through
the
Probate
Court
yep,
no
details
just
you
know
my
family
had
a
situation
and
when
it
was
all
said
and
done,
they
were
really
happy
with
how
it
all
worked
out
and
they
felt
like
the
courts
had
treated
them
all
professionally.
There
were
more
than
two
people
involved,
and
you
know,
and
so
I
was
happy
to
hear
that
I.
G
A
Q
A
A
AB
Thank
you,
Joe
Fabrizio
and
I'm,
the
chief
judge
of
the
52nd
District
Court.
Thank
you
for
having
us
today
and
thank
you
for
running
on
time.
It's
it's
great
to
see
we're
trying
we're
only
a
little
behind
wow,
that's
practically
on
time,
yeah.
So
judges.
P
AB
Right
so,
in
any
event,
well,
we
obviously
have
appeared
before
you
many
times
in
the
past,
and
you
know
on
my
team
I
think
relatively
well,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
everybody.
We
have
four
different
buildings
in
the
52nd
District.
It
covers
geographically,
approximately
75
percent
of
Walton
County,
obviously
we're
a
county-funded
court,
which
is
why
we're
here
and
division,
one
is
in
Novi
and
Alex
black.
Is
the
court
administrator
there?
AB
N
So
the
52nd
District
Court
recognizes
there
are
great
efforts
that
go
into
balancing
the
needs
of
all
County
departments.
So
we
we
recognize
we're
not
the
only
ones,
although
we
would
like
everybody
wants
to
believe
they're
the
most
important,
but
we
understand
that
every
there's
only
so
much
money
to
spread
around
so
this
cycle.
We
again
requested
construction
of
a
new
court
facility
in
Clarkston,
the
second
district
court,
the
deputy
Court
administrators,
that
we
had
the
two
Deputy
Court
administrators
we
had
requested
last
year
and
three.
N
The
new
thing
that
we
requested
this
year
were
the
three
it
Liaisons
to
assist
with
the
new
and
upcoming
I.T
projects
such
as
e-filing,
which
we've
been
talking
about
for
several
years
here.
We
finally
were
selected,
so
our
that's
just
going
to
be
for
our
civil
divisions.
So
that's
for
all
the
Civil
filings,
that's
supposed
to
be
implemented
and
started
up
by
the
end
of
this
year.
This
not
fiscal
year.
This
actual
this
actual
year,
which
is
great
the
criminal
side.
N
N
Probation
iPad
check-in
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
mentioned
previously
as
a
way
to
offset
some
of
the
staff
that
we
had
given
up
and
through
the
arba
funds.
We
were
able
to
get
some
money
for
that,
and
so
that's
going
to
start
up,
hopefully
by
the
end
of
the
year
and
the
bis
automated
backup
system.
So
we
need
some
backup
systems
for
our
our
recording
system.
N
So
those
are
the
things
that
we
needed:
the
three
it
Liaisons
to
assist
with
and
working
with,
the
County
Administration
and
Kyle
gen.
We
have
been
able
to
accomplish
some
of
our
needs
through
the
approval
of
Kyle
gen.
We
are
in
the
process
of
implementing
the
arpa
funds
for
our
automated
iPad
check-in.
As
I
mentioned
working
with
a
new
IT
team,
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
shake
up
there,
a
new
team
and
we're
really
excited
about
who
we've
met
and
dealt
with
so
far.
N
We're
hiring
three
contract
positions
for
our
I.T
request
to
assist
with
our
transition
and
our
civil
divisions,
e-filing
and
video
courtrooms.
So
we
were
denied
those
three
positions,
but
we
were.
It
was
suggested
to
us
that
we
could
request
some
contract
positions
to
try
to
get
us
through
or
just
through.
So
we
were
happy
that
it
was
at
a
flat
out
no,
and
so
we've
gotten
some
approval
for
that
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
get
that
going.
So
we'll
be
coming
back
to
you
again
in
the
near
future.
N
The
one
good
thing
about
the
pandemic
I
mean
I'm,
sure
there's
a
few
things,
but
very
few,
but
this
is
one
of
them.
We
still
do
some
zoom
and
allow
better
access
for
everyone
in
the
court
system
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
e-filing
rolling
out
in
December
2023.
Our
news
will
have
new
workstations
for
the
public
to
accommodate
everyone.
So
if
somebody's
trying
to
e-file-
and
they
don't
have
a
computer
at
home-
they
can
come
to
the
court
and
we
can
assist
them
with
that.
N
N
N
Yeah
yeah,
yes
for
commissioner
lemon
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
that,
but
we
had
to
sign
up
for
many
of
you
drove
down
Dixie
Highway
from
2007
until
I
believe
sometime
last
year
we
had
a
sign.
That
said
it
was
the
future
Courthouse
yeah
after
16
years.
We
realized.
That's,
not
the
future,
don't
stop
by
there.
If
you
were
thinking
about
that.
N
N
Renting
the
additional
office
space
doesn't
really
help
the
security
issues
they
have
necessarily
because,
if
you
ever
drive
through
there,
you
can
see
that
anybody
can
well.
They
can
part
I
can
park
right
next
to
judge
fabrusio.
Anybody
can
so,
but
additional
office
space
would
at
least
give
the
alleviate
the
issues.
The
HIPAA
issues
that
we
have
and
staff
probation
officers,
sharing
offices
and
hearing
everybody's
private
information
altering
the
current
space
is
another
option
with
a
passively
with
a
second
story.
N
Again,
it
doesn't
solve
a
lot
of
the
security
issues
as
far
as
the
parking
goes,
but
it
would
be
better
than
being
on
top
of
each
other
or
renting
a
new
facility
when
the
lease
expires
in
May
of
2026,
a
more
suitable
space,
we're
open
to
all
options
to
improve
the
safety,
security
and
comfort
of
employees
and
patrons.
Obviously,
as
a
brief
update,
though
our
caseloads
are
slowing,
slowly
rebounding
post
pandemic,
our
treatment
courts
continue
to
expand,
we're
very
proud
of
our
treatment.
N
Our
mental
health
court,
which
everybody
supported
us
on
that's
flourishing
to
the
point
where
we're
I
think
I'm
going
to
ask
for
an
expansion
of
the
program
in
the
next
and
the
next
Grant
process
asking
for
another
probation
officer.
Maybe
so
we
can
get
more
people
into
it
because
it's
been
very
successful.
Our
veterans
court.
N
Obviously,
we've
had
that
for
a
long
time,
our
sobriety
courts
and
our
drug
courts
they're
all
they've,
all
been
very
helpful,
I
think
to
our
people
all
around
Oakland
County,
because
we
do
accept
people
from
from
other
courts
and
other
jurisdictions.
N
We've
got
our
graduation
coming
up
in
each
of
our
courts,
and
our
joint
mental
health
court
continues
to
grow
and
we're
going
to
send
you
invitations
again
I
encourage
you
all
I
know
some
of
you
have
been
so
gracious
to
come
Charlie.
This
was
great
to
see
you
there
and
when
so
anybody
who'd
like
to
come.
It
would
be
great.
A
N
Say
yeah
I
think
it's
for
the
judges
that
I
know
that
do
it
I
think
it's
one
of
their
favorite
things
that
they
do
right.
N
So,
as
always,
you're
welcome
to
attend
our
graduation
and
see
the
fruits
of
the
grants.
You've
assist
us
with
in
accepting
every
year.
We
continue
to
serve
over
50
police
departments
and
nine
district
courts,
including
44th
Berkeley
and
Royal
Oak
45th
Royal,
Oak,
Township,
Huntington,
Woods,
Pleasant
Ridge
and
Oak
Park
48th
District,
Court,
West,
Bloomfield,
Bloomfield,
Hills,
Bloomfield,
Township,
Birmingham,
Keego,
Harbor,
Sylvan,
Lake,
Orchard,
Lake,
50th,
Pontiac,
51st
Waterford,
as
well
as
our
own
four
divisions
in
the
weekend
Arena
program.
N
We
do
just
for
the
newer
Commissioners
and
you
you
may
know
this
already.
So
please
don't
be
insulted
if
I'm
repetitive,
but
we,
the
52nd.
We
hold
it
at
my
division,
but
all
of
it's
It's,
a
52nd
effort
we
hold
all
of
the
weekend,
agreements
to
get
people
processed
and
and
arraigned
in
a
proper
amount
of
time
through
the
52nd
district
courts
for
all
of
those
courts
and
jurisdictions
that
I
mentioned.
We
do
that
every
single
weekend
and
every
single
holiday.
So
we
essentially
work
365
days
a
year.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
First
is
just
a
quick
newbie
question
with
your
introduction:
I
didn't
catch
so
I
understand
Circuit,
Court
I
understand
Probate
Court.
Could
you
just
clarify
for
me
quickly:
40
000,
foot,
few
district
court
so
I
understand
kind
of
how
that
interplays
with
the
other
two.
N
It's
a
good
man.
Do.
AB
You
wanna
sure,
so
the
district
court
is
there's
two
trial
courts
in
Michigan
circuit
and
district,
and
the
Circuit
Court
handles
anything
any
civil
controversies
in
excess
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
Anything
under
25
000
is
the
jurisdiction
of
the
district
court.
All
landlord
tenant
cases
go
through
the
district
court,
regardless
of
the
amount
of
controversy
and
all
crimes
go
through
the
district
court.
AB
However,
if
there
are
felonies
punishable
by
more
than
one
year
in
jail,
then
ultimately,
if
there's
enough
evidence,
they're
sent
up
to
Circuit
Court
for
further
proceedings
and
trial,
and
then
this
is
a
question
that
comes
up
every
every
year.
So
if
you
weren't
here
in
previous
years,
you
might
be
scratching
your
head
as
to
why
we're
only
talking
about
the
district
court
that
serves
75
percent
of
open
colony
and
what
about
the
other
25?
Well,
we
we
do
cover
most
of
that
other
25
on
the
weekends.
AB
But
this
is
a
category
two
class,
two
District
Court,
which
many
years
ago
in
the
district
court
courts
were
performed
on
50
years
ago.
Every
every
city
and
Township
was
given
the
opportunity
to
fund
their
own
court.
If
they
wanted
to
and
and
if
they
chose
to
exercise
that,
then
then
it
was
a
class
three
District
Court,
which
you
have
in
Pontiac
and
Bloomfield
and
Royal
Oak,
those
more
populated
areas.
AB
Back
50
years
ago
they
had
the
financial
wherewithal
and
and
the
I
guess
the
motivation
to
sort
of
have
more
control
over
their
district
court
and
they
to
fund
their
District
Court
any
of
those
courts
that
did
not
get
get
formed
by
their
city
or
Township.
Then
it
fell
to
the
county
and
that
and
the
state
said
all
right:
A
Class,
2,
District
Court.
It
can
be
funded
by
the
county
and
so
Oakland
County
stepped
up
and
and
took
responsibility
for
the
remaining
75
percent
of
Oakland
County,
which
50
years
ago
was
mostly
Farmland.
AB
You
know
in
rural
areas,
but
now
is
every
bit
as
populated
as
those
those
other
areas
and
then
those
areas
in
you
know
Northern
Michigan
or
the
places
that
did
not
have
the
the
county
resources
to
to
fund
their
Court
by
default.
They
were
a
class
one
District
Court
that
was
funded
by
the
state.
And
so
that's
why
you
have
sort
of
this
disjointed
in
a
way
funding
of
district
courts
throughout
the
state.
AB
But,
needless
to
say,
the
52nd
District
Court
is
the
second
District
second
largest
district
court
in
in
the
state
of
Michigan
Second
only
to
the
36th
District
Court,
which
is
in
Detroit,
County,
funded
and
and
and
yet
we
work
very
cooperatively
with
those
other
district
courts
around
Holcomb
County
to
make
sure
that
we
are
all
an
even
playing
field
with
with
providing
resources
and
services
to
the
public.
Thank.
L
My
other
question
was
we
heard
from
Circuit
Court
in
Probate,
Court
and
I
know
both
of
them
had
issues
as
far
as
Staffing
and
compensation
and
those
kind
of
things
it
sounds
like
your
needs
may
be
slightly
different
because
you're
more
on
the
CIP
side
of
things
and
facilities.
Are
you
also
affected
with
the
same
challenges
when
it
comes
to
Staffing
and
compensation
from
District
Court
standpoint?
Yes,.
N
To
them
I
mean
our.
Our
challenges
are
more
so
when,
as
he
mentioned,
when
we
were
developed
many
many
years
ago,
the
the
hierarchy,
the
the
setup
was
suitable
for
then
so
our
two
larger
district
courts,
52
1
and
52
3.
We
have
a
deputy
Court
Administrator,
because
at
most
places
you
go
to
there's,
there's
a
boss
and
then
there's
then
there's
somebody
to
cover
the
boss.
N
When
the
boss
is
gone
and
then
there's
some
supervisors,
there's
a
big
gap
in
at
52,
2
and
52,
for
so
I
learned
this
firsthand
last.
N
Actually
it's
been
a
year
and
a
half
ago
now,
I
had
to
cover
in
Troy
at
the
52-4
district
court,
because
we
suddenly
didn't
have
a
court
administrator
there,
and
while
we
were
trying
to
obtain
a
fantastic
one
which
we
got
Jen
while
we
were
waiting
for
that
to
occur,
I
I
was
covering
at
both
courts
because
they
didn't
have
a
deputy,
Court
Administrator.
N
In
my
opinion,
I
think,
in
all
of
our
opinion,
you
shouldn't
ever
have
a
situation
where
a
person,
if
she
were
to
go
God
forbid
I
leave,
ask
somebody
who's
a
supervisor
one
or
supervisor.
Two
who's
really
been
tasked
with
supervising
the
clerks
in
the
office
to
run
the
court
handle
the
budget
all
of
the
facility
issues
because
we
are
on
our
own
because
we're
separate
right
from
the
from
the
county.
N
So
we
are
out
there
on
our
own
to
deal
with
facility
issues
on
our
own
facilities,
can't
just
lend
us
someone
or
run
out
to
us
or
whatever.
So
it's
proper
to
ask
those
people
who
were
not
properly
trained
to
deal
with
Personnel
issues
and
those
types
of
things.
If
somebody
were
to
go
out
and
leave
right,
so
we,
our
staffing
issues,
are
a
little
different
than
probate.
I.
N
Think
in
the
sense
that,
while
it's
always
helpful
to
have
a
couple
more
Clerks,
it
would
be
helpful
in
our
situation
have
the
I.T
liaison,
since
we
have
won
for
four
district
courts
and
we're
all
in
four
different
corners
and-
and
we
have-
I
t-
needs
constantly.
There's
203
I!
N
Think
employees,
if
you
count
up
all
the
judges,
law,
clerks
and
the
and
then
the
rest
of
the
staff
203
people
in
four
different
corners
of
the
county
with
one
it
liaison
that's
housed
in
my
in
my
courthouse
and
which
is
great
for
me,
but
not
great
for
everyone
else.
You
know,
and-
and
so
these
are
the
staffing
issues
that
we
had
brought
up
to
them-
that
we
need
some.
We
need
a
little
more
a
proper,
a
proper.
What
do
you
call
it?
N
I,
don't
want
to
say
hierarchy,
but
the
proper
tree
to
of
of
command
chain
of
command,
and
we
also
need
proper
I.T
support,
particularly
with
our
new,
with
our
new
IT
issues
that
are
finally
coming
to
fruition.
We've
been
asking
for
for
a
long
time
and
it's
great,
but
we
can't
ask
this
one
person
to
handle
all
those
things,
so
that
would
be
more
of
our
challenge.
I
think
if
I
were
to
speak
for
all
of
us-
and
this
has
been
requested
in
previous
years-
oh
yeah,
the
it
liaison
I,
have
to
admit.
N
We
just
asked
the
three
it
Liaisons
to
cover
the
other
three
district
courts.
We
just
asked
for
this
year
the
deputy
Court
Administrator
we've.
This
is
the
third
year
that
we've
made
that
request
and
been
denied.
D
D
D
G
R
C
L
N
So,
okay,
so
I
just
didn't
realize
it
was
that
much
I
have
to
be
honest
because
but
but
so
so
yeah
so
covet.
Obviously
we
had
a
plummet
because
they
just
weren't
taking
people,
and
then
there
was
the
rebound
like
he
mentioned.
We
start
and
now
we're
still
on
an
uptick,
but
but
then
there's
been
legislative
changes
such
as
the
legalization
of
marijuana.
N
AB
As
well,
yes,
overnight
eliminated
a
massive
amount
of
receivables,
at
least
on
paper,
and
and
there
is
a
percentage
of
those
receivables
if
we
continue
to
collect,
but
then
now
with
this
legislation
where
the
records
are
expunged,
regardless
of
whether
they
completed
probation
and
or
not
regardless,
if
they
ever
paid
all
their
old
fines
and
costs,
it
gets
expunged
and
all
that
gets
gets
eradicated.
AB
The
only
thing
that
survives
is
is
restitution
which
is
still
collect
that
goes
to
the
victim,
so
that
that
would
have
wiped
out
a
lot
of
okay,
yeah.
N
But
most
recently,
if
you
visit
the
court,
I
mean
there's,
you
know
the
parking
lot's
filled
again,
but
we
still
will
always
have.
It
will
never
be,
in
my
opinion,
at
least
not
in
my
career
there
anymore.
It
will
never
be
what
it
was
before
our
Collectibles.
Our
reason
what
what
we
used
to
have
in
Revenue
before
was
Far
higher
than
what
we
are
now.
N
R
AB
I
was
in
here
at
Sutton
remarks
in
response
to
one
of
your
questions
that
the
trend
really
is
going
to
better
access
to
the
courts
and
going
hand
in
hand
with
that
is,
and
you
you
asked
about
fee
waiver
applications
and
processes
for
that
things,
like
that
going
hand
in
hand
to
better
access
to.
The
court
involves
foregoing
many
of
these
reimbursable
expenses
that
we
used
to
pursue
in
the
past.
I.
R
N
Mean
even
we
were
talking
about
this,
we
all
do
weddings
at
our
courthouses
and
not
every
course
that
I
do
you're
not
required
to
do
that,
but
we
do
it
as
a
service
rate
to
the
public,
and
so
many
courts
don't
do
it
especially
post
pandemic.
So
we
we
do
take
people
from
other
areas
of
the
county
at
my
core
we'll
take
really
anybody
from
anywhere
wants
to
get
married,
but
we
can
only
charge
ten
dollars
for
that
service.
N
Well,
the
magistrate
that
we're
paying
for
that
one
hour,
we've
far
paid
more
than
ten
dollars
and
and
the
Corey
quarter.
That's
in
there.
You
know
in
the
clerk
that
does
the
paperwork,
but
that
10
fee
has
been
the
same
10
fee
when
I
started
28
years
ago,
and
it's
just
something
that
they
said
this
is
the
most
you
can
charge.
So
that's
what
we
charge.
X
A
R
A
Q
N
Clerks
I
paid
two
clerks
and
they
get
overtime.
Amanda
Street
does
not
get
overtime
because
they
are
straight
they're,
part-time,
continuing
and
so
on
average.
It
costs
about
750
across
every
weekend
and
holiday
that
we
do
it
and.
A
N
From
just
the
52nd
I
would
I
mean
I
would
have
to
look
at
it,
but
I
would
say
about
25
I
mean
we.
You
know
we
do
probably
about
25.
So
last
weekend
we
did
on
between
Saturday
and
Sunday
a
little
higher
than
our
average,
and
so
we
arraigned
about
50
people
between
those
two
days.
That's
we.
It's
been
going
up.
N
Actually
the
number
of
people
that
were
handling
every
weekend,
we
get
a
lot
from
Pontiac
I
mean
a
lot
and
and
part
of
that
is
and
I
I
want
to
talk
out
of
turn
is
just
something
that
I
know
because
I
run
the
weekend
program,
that
for
courts
that
don't
arraign
people
on
Fridays
or
arrange
them
past
a
certain
time.
Anybody
gets
arrested
past
that
time
is
going
to
go
into
the
bucket
of
people
that
we
have
to
Reign
over
the
weekend.
A
A
AB
No
matter
what
that
that
is
one
aspect
of
the
rationales
were
there
anyways,
although
obviously
it
creates
a
little
bit
bigger
of
a
burden
where
they're
a
little
bit
longer
because
we're
handling
these
other
arraignments.
But
it's
also
a
little
bit
of
a
give
and
take
because
you
have
Those
portions
of
the
county
that
have
their
own
court
and
they're
funding
their
own
court
and
I
know
we
feel
questions
from
Commissioners,
sometimes
to
say.
Well,
you
know
why
should
we
are
my?
Are
my
taxpayers
sort
of
getting
double
hit?
AB
They're
they're,
paying
taxes
that
are
going
to
fund
their
local
district
court
and
to
fund
the
52nd
District
Court?
Well,
you're
getting
services
from
the
52nd
District
Court
too.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
I
guess
at
a
give
and
take
right
and
we
do
get
the
court
Equity
Fund.
That
money
comes.
R
In
to
the
county,
that's
from
revenue
from
the
entire
community,
so
that
kind
of
helps,
support,
doing
it
as
well.
The
court
Equity
Fund
I
guess
I-
can
accept
that
answer.
I.
A
Can
send
you
thanks?
Does
anybody
else
have
any
questions
for
the
district
court
or
are
we
just
burning
out
because
we've
been
here.
Q
O
A
E
A
AC
Prior
to
the
one
o'clock
meeting,
also
specifically
for
commissioner
Powell,
make
sure
that
you
check
your
emails
tonight,
because
there
were
some
questions
that
were
asked
during
previous
budget
hearings:
the
budget
hearings
from
specifically
sheriffs
and
the
human
resources
department.
So
we've
received
those
answers,
we're
just
doing
some
formatting
and
we'll
send
them
out
to
the
finance
committee
members.
If
at
some
point
you
think
that
that
should
be
sent
out
to
the
whole
board.
We'll
have
that
discussion,
but
they're
specific
to
the
questions
that
some
of
you
asked
during
those
hearings.