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A
F
F
Our
chief
deputy
and
Jill
Robinson,
who
is
our
property
specialist
I,
think,
is
the
title
and
also
she's
the
executive
director
of
our
land
bank
and
also
Ashley
who's
sitting
over.
There
is
our
summer
business
associate
who
finishes
up
this
week.
She's
been
here
since
the
middle
of
May,
going
to
her
junior
year
at
U
of
M,
and
we
love
her
and
we
try
to
recruit
her.
F
that'll,
be
behind
me
all
right!
Thank
you!
Jody,
and
this
is
a
general
fund,
continuation
budget
of
9
million,
and
it
provides
the
necessary
resources
for
our
office
to
deliver
statutorily
required
services,
and
it
also
I'd
like
to
note,
absorbs
the
current
cost
of
the
open,
County
Land
Bank
Authority.
F
We
believe
our
residents
deserve
access
to
the
highest
quality
of
service
from
our
team,
and
so
some
of
the
duties
include
and
there's
a
lot,
but
these
are
some
of
the
main
ones.
We
want
to
highlight
the
collection
of
delinquent
real
and
personal
property
taxes
on
behalf
of
our
63
cbts
receiving
and
dispersing
County
funds
to
meet
our
cash
flow
requirements.
F
Investing
of
our
surplus
funds,
in
accordance
with
our
investment
policy
that
you
all
approved
and
then
obviously
Public
Act,
20.,
administering
the
local
government
investment
pool
and
then
also
with
our
office
we
serve
and
and
I
serve
as
the
treasurer
for
our
building,
Arts,
zoo
and
public
transportation
authorities.
As
well
as
the
Economic
Development
Corporation
and
the
business
business,
Finance
Corporation,
and
also
our
retirement
system,.
G
F
Going
to
dive
into
some
of
this
as
well
and
then
yeah
yeah,
so
we'll
we'll
go
through
it
and
then
stop
me.
If
you
have
questions
but
we'll
dive
in
and
then
obviously
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
the
end
and
then
adding
to
the
list
of
things
that
we
work
on
in
our
office,
managing
the
the
debt
portfolio
and
helping
to
support
the
the
retention
of
our
AAA
Bond
rating
and
then
obviously
our
new
new
organization,
the
Oakland
County
Land,
make
Authority
and
we'll
dive
into
that
today
as
well.
F
We
in
our
office
continue
to
monitor
the
tax
collection
rates.
There
was,
unfortunately,
a
10.8
increase
in
delinquent
taxes
turned
over
to
our
office.
This
year
last
year
was
61.2
Million
for
2021
taxes,
and
then
it
was
68
I'm,
sorry,
67.8
million
for
2022
taxes,
although
it's
not
bad
all
bad
because
it
is,
does
seem
high,
but
the
year
before
we
had
our
record
low
for
delinquent
taxes
that
were
turned
over.
F
So
this
is
actually
back
to
kind
of
historic
numbers
that
we've
seen
and-
and
we
think
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
I
truly
believe
is
because
there
were
all
those
safety
nets
that
were
put
in
place
during
the
pandemic.
That
has
since
expired,
so
we're
back
to
those
normal
levels
and
with
the
economic
uncertainty,
delinquent
tax
is
being
turned
over
to
our
office.
Might
you
know
increase
in
the
future
right
as
all
of
these
safety
nets
were
taken
out?
F
You
know,
as
we
continue
to
move
forward
with
inflation
and
certain
things.
So
we
monitor
that,
but
we
don't
see
it
right
away
because
we're
kind
of
a
lagging
indicator
right
when
people
are
paying
their
taxes
to
link
either
explain
them,
delinquent
or
I'm
sorry,
they're,
recumbent,
delinquent
and
also
like
the
foreclosure
process
right.
It's
that
three-year
process,
so
we're
a
lagging
indicator.
F
We
in
our
office
remain
steadfast
in
our
commitment
to
fulfilling
our
statutory
responsibilities
and
to
assist
Oakland
County
families
and
businesses.
To
avoid
foreclosure,
we
conducted
over
1200
one-on-one
confidential
calls
with
taxpayers
to
prevent
foreclosure
along
with
a
we
did,
a
really
robust
media
campaign,
community
outreach,
and
then
we
do
four
mailings
per
year
to
each
parcel,
that's
delinquent
and
on
the
path
to
foreclosure,
and
then
we
visit
and
post
every
single
property
before
foreclosure.
F
H
Just
pause
for
one
second,
just
because
this
is
a
great
graphic
that
somebody
from
our
Communications
team
put
together
at
the
start
of
the
process,
turned
over
delinquent
44
000,
almost
45
000
parcels,
and
in
that
same,
this
is
like
a
three-year
process.
Right
as
it
goes
through
all
these
different
pieces
of
the
foreclosure
process
and
we're
down
to
95
properties
right.
F
So,
thank
you
Jody
and
then
we're
going
to
continue
to
offer
the
flexible
repayment
plans
that
we
do.
You
know
we
want
to
work
with
anyone
that
wants
to
work
with
us
if
they're
willing
to
reach
out
to
us.
We
want
to
try
to
help
them
and
also
helping
those
that
you
know
those
people
that
experience
hardships.
We
have
our
Financial
Empowerment
Center
in
our
office
and
Rita,
who
runs
up.
F
That
area
is
like
a
financial
coach,
so
we
truly
encourage
people
to
reach
out
to
our
office
and
then
have
those
one-on-one
conversations
with
her
that
she
can
help
them
put
together.
A
budget
manage
their
debt,
get
their
credit
card
debt
in
in
order
find
grants,
resources
things
like
that,
so
she
does
a
really
really
great
job.
F
You
know,
as
we
know,
and
I
always
talk
about
foreclosure
impacts,
not
only
the
the
person
or
the
family
being
foreclosed
with
the
business
being
foreclosed
and
it
impacts
the
entire
community.
So
that
is
not
our
goal.
Our
goal
is
to
prevent
foreclosure
we've
also
completed
settlement
and
distribution
to
help
cash
flow,
the
local
communities,
and
that
you
know
that
money
goes.
We
administer
the
the
dtrf,
the
Delinquent
Tax
revolving
fund.
F
F
A
few
other
things
we'd
like
to
highlight
on
the
rafaeli
settlement
for
properties
sold
prior
to
2020
checks
were
mailed
the
first
week
of
August
to
those
who
filed
claims
for
their
full
Surplus
proceeds
amount.
Our
legal
team
has
nearly
finalized
the
settlements
for
those
who
opted
out.
So
there
was
a
few
that
opted
out
of
that
class
and
our
Corporation
Council
has
been
negotiating
and
that
should
be
tied
up
soon
as
well.
F
There's
the
new
process
that
I've
come
to
speak
to
you
about
multiple
times
that
new
statutory
claims
process,
that
is
in
effect
and
that's
for
obviously
for
our
20
22
going
forward.
It
requires
property
taken
to
write
a
refusal
to
be
sold
at
fair
market
value.
So
that's
you
know,
for
example,
if
the
state
or
a
local
community
wants
to
exercise
their
right
to
buy
their
the
property
that
is
foreclosed,
they
now
have
to
pay
fair
market
value.
F
So
that's
a
change
in
the
law
for
the
2022
tax
foreclosure
auction,
so
that
was
the
auction.
Last
year
we
received
28
claims
this
claims
process
we
talked
about.
We
received
28
claims
on
374,
foreclosed
properties
and
15
and
again
it's
sent
to
our
office,
but
it's
the
Circuit
Court
who
actually
administers
this.
The
circuit
court
ordered
payment
on
15
claims
and
all
of
those
have
been
paid,
so
anything
that
was
sent
to
our
office
to
send
payment
has
been
completed
for
this
year.
For
this
auction,
that's
upcoming.
We
have
12
claims
so
far.
F
And
then
finally,
one
thing
I
want
to
highlight
as
we're
talking
generally.
Here
is
it's
been
five
years
since
we
put
out
an
RFP
for
our
banking
services,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
going
out
in
the
fall,
and
it's
a
rather
large
undertaking
for
our
team
to
bid
out
all
of
our
banking
services,
especially
with
the
integration
to
workday.
F
So
we
will
make
sure
that
whoever
gets
that
contract
is
very
familiar
with
workday
and
understands
the
nuances
of
all
that
we
do
here
at
Oakland,
County
Switching
gears
just
a
little
bit
here.
We're
gonna.
Just
talk
about
the
the
land
bank
because
we
know
we're
doing
kind
of
our
annual
report,
so
you're
getting
two
birds,
one
stone
here
and
we
so
let's
yeah
we
got
the
pictures,
don't
mind
the
graffiti.
F
F
We
came
together
to
establish
our
board
policies,
create
a
strategic
plan
and
support
Community
Economic
Development
projects
and
we'll
be
able
to
talk
through
some
of
those
as
well
or
answer
any
questions
about
those.
If
we
got
a
their
there's
money
that
comes
from
the
state
grants
that
are
used
through
land
Banks.
So
as
you
see
here,
there's
a
200
000,
blight,
elimination,
Grant
and
that's
for
house
sources
in
the
GM
modern,
the
historic
neighborhood
in
Pontiac
three
houses.
F
F
Yep
also,
you
see
over
500
550
000
blight
elimination.
This
is
around
two
grand
and
this
is
going
to
the
old
WWJ
building
in
Oak
Park
on
Eight
Mile,
and
this
is
the
union
joints
group
that
has
like
Clarkston
Union,
Fenton
Fire
Hub
inside
a
garage,
Grand
Caster.
They
have
a
bunch
of
different
restaurants
and
they
they're
the
ones
that
like
to
take
a
building
that
had
like
one
purpose
and
then
was
no
longer.
F
You
know
in
use
and
then
they
they
stay
true
to
whatever
it
was,
but
turn
it
into
a
restaurant.
So
this
is
is
a
really
exciting
opportunity
in
Oak,
Park
and
for
the
region.
We'll
see
next
slide
is
the
kind
of
the
timeline
I.
Don't
need
to
go
through
all
of
this,
but
you
know
in
September.
It
was
when
we
were
created.
October
was
that
first
meeting
and
we
had
our
presentation
from
the
state
land
bank.
F
We
met
with
the
center
for
Community
progress
and
they
helped
us
to
put
together
our
guiding
policies.
We
work
closely
with,
like
our
Brownfield
team
here
at
the
county,
I
think
at
one
point,
yeah
we'll
talk
about,
or
just
mention
some
of
the
agencies
that
we
work
with,
but
you
know
we're
getting
these
grants
and-
and
we
have
some
really
exciting
projects
that
are
in
the
works
right
now
here
in
the
county.
F
So
we're
really
happy
with
the
progress
of
the
land
bank
and
and
one
little
plug,
and
maybe
Jill
would
talk
about
this.
But,
as
you
know,
as
all
these
land
banks
are
are
in
place
or
getting
started,
the
state
land
bank
was
almost
shocked
at
how
efficiently
and
quickly
we
got
everything
done,
and
they
said
you
guys
did
a
lot
better
than
anyone
else
has.
F
So
we
we
hit
the
ground
running,
which
is
a
great
thing
so
on
the
next
page,
yeah
all
of
our
partners
here
within
the
county.
You
know
our
our
Brownfield
here,
the
vet
Redevelopment
Authority,
our
Housing
Trust
Fund,
medc
Mal,
which
is
the
association
of
land
Banks,
which
is
separate
from
the
state
land
bank.
One
is
kind
of
the
association
for
our
group,
and
then
these
are
just
some
things
with
the
blight
elimination
program
that
I
mentioned
and
there's
more
opportunities.
F
There's
different
rounds
of
funding
for
this
Federal
funding
that
came
down
to
the
state.
That's
used
for
blight
elimination,
so
I
just
wanted
to
segue
from
the
other
one
to
that
talk
about
that
and
then
I
think
I
covered
everything.
I
tried
to
do
it
as
efficiently
as
possible
in
the
interest
of
your
time
and
also
the
lead
time
for
questions.
J
J
You
know
because
they're
behind
on
their
water
bills,
their
thought
processes,
hey
I,
will
allow
it
to
go
to
my
texts
bill
as
a
lien,
for
you
know,
offense
purposes
why
that's
not
a
good
system
to
use
as
a
homeowner.
You
know
if
you
could
speak
to
the
it's
probably
more
cons
than
Pros,
but
I
do
hear
that
from
community
members,
when
they're
really
struggling
with
that
water
bill
they're
like
I'll,
just
let
it
go
to
all
my
taxes
so.
F
A
couple
things
and
I
know
Jody
might
chime
in
as
well.
Well,
first,
if
they're
having
those
issues,
have
them
Reach
Out
ahead
of
time,
I
mean
there
might
be
grants
available.
There
are
some
state
grants
available.
Our
office
will
will
try
to
put
them
in
touch
even
through
if
they're,
a
Water,
Resource
Commissioners
Community.
F
You
know
we
want
to
get
people
help
ahead
of
time
right.
Our
whole
goal
is
to
to
prevent
these
kind
of
things
from
happening,
but
I
would
also,
as
you
said,
you
know,
they're
the
cons
I
mean
you
don't
want
that
to
roll
over
because
it
rolls
over
and
then
it's
it
looks
like
a
delinquent
tax
on
our
end
and
ultimately,
as
it's
in
the
process
right,
it
becomes
subject
to
foreclosure,
and
so
we
don't
ever
want
to
see
someone
again.
F
H
We
do
hear
from
people
that
we're
an
easy
loan,
but
we
are
not
a
cheap
loan.
We
are
a
very,
very
expensive.
You
know
four
percent,
the
second
it's
turned
over
to
the
county
and
then
one
percent
a
year
so
12
that
first
year
18
the
second
year.
It
ends
up
very
fast
and
they're,
going
to
end
up
paying
two
or
three
times
what
their
water
bill
was
so
yeah.
It's
definitely.
K
H
J
J
H
So
water,
the
community,
can't
add
it
to
the
tax
bill
until
it's
180
days
late,
so
whatever's
180
days
late
at
the
water
department
or
at
WRC
gets
tax
certified,
which
means
that
amount
that's
180
days
old,
gets
added
to
the
water
bill.
That
amount
is
then
considered
tax
and
when
it
gets
turned
over
to
the
county,
it's
not
turned
over
to
us
saying
hey:
this
is
their
water
bill.
This
is
their
Delinquent
Tax,
and
so
it
just
starts
right
on
that
three-year
process.
D
H
N
O
H
The
first
thing
is,
after
I
think,
two
years,
whatever
fees
we
have
collected
into
the
dtrf
get
transferred
into
the
treasures
budget
as
Revenue
to
the
treasurer's
office,
so
that
is
part
of
that
11
million
dollar
transfer.
So
that's
usually
three,
two
to
three
million
dollars,
sometimes
three
and
a
half
depending
on
how
the
level
these
fees
that
are
part
of
the
statutory
tax
foreclosure
process
yeah.
So
they
get
that
that's
one
way
to
fund
our
office.
H
Okay,
the
second
part
of
that
is
there
is
a
general
fund
subsidy
from
the
dtrf
that
we've
agreed
to
with
Administration
that
it
goes
right
into
the
general
fund,
non-discretionary
just
just
to
transfer,
and
then
the
other
piece
is
that
the
dtrf
also
pays
on
a
few
projects
and
that's
the
other
piece
of
that
transfer.
Okay,.
M
H
So
yeah
I
mean
we
look
at.
There
is
a
resolution
that
this
board
passed
probably
20
years
ago.
I
would
guess
that
says
we
there's
a
threshold
that
we're
keeping
the
dtrf
level
at
and
that
we've
shared
with
the
rating
agencies.
They
look
very
positively
about
that
level
of
funding
and
the
dtrf,
and
so
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
what
we
think
we're
going
to
collect
what
our
expenses
are,
and
so
we
don't
go
under
that
level.
Okay,
yeah
that
200
million
dollars.
N
M
H
H
Each
each
budget,
each
who
is
that
your
fund,
whatever
average
fund
balance
you
have
that
month,
you
get
interest
allocated
to
you
on
the
first
of
every
month.
So,
like
is
that
age
of.
If
you
know
the
City
of
Ferndale
has
money
and
the
City
of
Birmingham
have
balances
they
get
money
allocated
to
them
on
the
first
of
every
month,
as
does
the
treasurer's
office,
as
does
Water
Resources
every
fund
that
has
a
balance,
gets
allocated.
That's.
F
Our
local
government
investment
pool
and
we're
one
of
only
two
counties
that
operate
the
lgip
and
that's
as
a
resource
to
our
local
communities.
So
there's
53,
so
we
have
63
cvts,
there's
53
entities
they're,
not
not
each
CBT,
that
doesn't
that
doesn't
mean
10,
don't
participate,
there's
actually
a
few
more
than
that,
but
53
kind
of
entities
that
put
their
money
in
our
lgip.
So
it
could
be
a
community
has
multiple,
but
they
did
like
a
road
Bond
or
whatever
it
might
be.
They
have
money
that
they
invest
with
us
and
it's
liquid.
F
F
It
helps
us
right.
It
helps
us
here
at
the
economy,
because
our
pool
is
so
large
that
we
have
a
little
room
to
have
those
conversations
with
financial
institutions
saying
you
know
we
can
bring
this
amount
of
money
to
you.
Can
you
get
us
a
slightly
better
rate
which
helps
us
here
at
the
county
right?
That
means
our
funds
that
are
invested
are
getting
a
slightly
better
rate
as
well.
F
D
F
Out
of
order
out
of
order
until
any
of
the
money
like
when
the
money
is
not
spent
and
it's
sitting
there
right
and
we
cash
flow
right.
So
we
know
when
we're
gonna
have
to
pay
payroll
and
when
there's
you
know,
payments
that
have
to
go
out,
but
we
have
it
there
and
if
there's
something
coming
up
soon,
it
still
even
makes
money,
because
we
have
like
overnight,
we
invested
overnight
and
make
something
on
it
right.
So
money
is
never
just
sitting
there
getting
nothing.
F
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
great
presentation.
Thank
you,
I.
Think
it's
really
great
your
kpis,
your
metrics,
everything
is,
is
really
phenomenal.
I
don't
have
anything
as
far
as
the
budget,
in
fact,
I.
Think
of
all
the
presentations
so
far,
your
budget
is
probably
the
easiest
to
kind
of
see.
I
mean
light
items
are
all
very
easy
to
understand,
not
much
change.
It
could
be
getting
used.
G
F
F
Again,
like
we
have,
as
I
said
at
the
very
beginning,
where's
the
money
we
haven't
increased
other
than
like
fiscal
for
insurance
and
what
was
the
other
thing:
staff,
salary,
staff,
salary
things
that
went
up
but
like
we
have
not
asked
for
an
increase
in
anything
in
our
office
in
the
last
two
budget,
Cycles
got
it.
Okay,.
G
F
F
H
G
F
F
I
know
down
the
road
we
had
talked
about
so
currently
there's
a
the
my
half
program
that
we've
talked
about
the
Michigan
homeowners
assistance
fund
that
is
going
to
run
out
of
money
at
some
point.
I
would
love
to
see
some
kind
of
you
know
relief
program
here
at
the
county.
If
that's
you
know,
if
we
have
the
the
funds
available,
I
can't
think
of
anything.
Currently
I,
don't
know
if
your.
F
F
We've
had
over
five
million
dollars,
go
to
Oakland
County
residents
from
this
program,
so
you
know
I
think
it's
a
really
good
program
to
help
stabilize
neighborhoods
and
help
people
that
are
in
trouble
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
something
we
would
love
to
kind
of
look
at
that
once
the
the
funds
are
no
longer
available
so,
but
not
now,
it's
still
there
so
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Thank.
A
T
You
one
point
about
the
water
and
I'm
I.
Don't
know
if
people
realize
that,
but
they're
also
earning
a
penalty
from
whoever
provides
that
water,
too
late
fees
and
everything
that's
right,
but
I
suggest
too
and
I
part
of
this.
Where,
eventually,
when
it's
put
on
your
taxes,
those
people
who
pay
you
know,
then
they
eventually
pay
their
taxes
and
they
file
long
form.
I
suspect
they're,
probably
deducting
that,
because
it
looks
like
these
attacks.
So
there's.
T
You
know
you're
paying
a
lot
of
pain,
you're
still
paying
more
in
the
snow
Yeah
correct.
Secondly,
you
spoke
of
an
abatement
Grant
of
like
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
abatement
in
different
communities.
This
is
in
the
land
bank
yeah,
oh
okay,
so
it's
property,
that's
owned
by
the
land
bank
and
you
manage
that
and
contract
with
people
to
do
the
abatement
is
that.
U
T
Okay,
thank
you
and
the
last
thing
is
you
mentioned
that
some
people
opt
out
of
the
class
action
lawsuit
for
the,
and
it
said
corporate
councils
negotiating
with
them
just
seems
to
me
that
these
people
were
screwed
by
an
unconstitutional
law
that
they
should
be
just
made
whole
was
to
negotiate.
If
you,
you
took
ten
thousand
dollars
of
My
Equity,
they
should
be
written
a
check
for
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
what
do
you
negotiate
for
the.
F
H
H
F
Unfortunately,
you
know
again
I'm
with
you.
These
people
should
have
been
made
whole
and
they're
they're
being
made
whole
right,
but
there
are
some
and
I'll
be
careful
because
I'm
on
the
record
here,
but
there
are
some
attorneys
that
have
kind
of
ulterior
motives
that
are
doing
this
around
the
state
and
trying
to
find
anyone
and
everyone
saying
we're
going
to
help
you
get
this
money,
even
though
they
could
have
got
this
money
on
their
own
and
the
attorneys
are
taking
a
percentage
and
there's
nothing.
F
We
can
do
about
that
if
they
they
bring
out
an
attorney.
These
attorneys
are
entitled
to
whatever
their
their
fee
is
whatever
they
negotiate.
Whatever
they.
You
know,
their
fee
is
so,
unfortunately,
those
that
opt
out
of
the
class
will
not
get
100
their
their.
The
payment
is
100,
but
they
won't
get
100
because
their
attorneys
that's
right.
Correct.
F
T
V
F
W
F
H
D
D
D
D
A
F
It's
going
to
be
it's
open,
it's
kind
of
like
a
rolling
right,
so
it's
it's
on
our
website,
so
any
broker
dealers.
Anyone
you
know
for
to
help
us
in
our
Investment
Portfolio
with
our
Investment
Portfolio.
We
put
together
a
application
for
them
and
then
they
are
then
one
of
our
approved
vendors.
If
you
will
that
we
can
go
to
when
we
are
looking
to
buy
or
sell
securities,
so.
A
F
F
Public
Act
20,
which
is
our
you
know,
kind
of
guidelines
from
the
states,
our
own
investment.
They
have
to
sign
a
copy
of
our
investment
policy,
saying
they
will
abide
by
our
investment
policy.
So
this
is
so
that
right
we
have
these
and
we
have
a
list.
I,
don't
know
what
our
number
is
now
Paul
who's.
Our
investment
administrator
would
have
that.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
the
entities
that
we
were
working
with
before
and
we've
even
expanded.
So.
Q
F
So
that's
that
delinquent
tax
revolving
fund-
that's
our
dtrf
and
there
are
other
places
and
because
we
keep
that
200
million
dollar
threshold,
the
minimum
threshold
that
we
are,
we
don't
have
to
because
there's
delinquent
details,
Delinquent
Tax,
anticipated
notes,
anticipation,
notes
that
a
lot
of
other
Counties
have
to
because
they
don't
have
the
funds
that
we
do.
Thankfully
yeah
they
borrow,
we
don't
so
what
happens
is
for,
let's
say
Novi,
for
example,
Novi
right.
F
If
you
know
I,
don't
know
a
thousand
people,
don't
pay
their
taxes
and
it's
10
million
dollars
worth
of
taxes.
Imagine
nobody
trying
to
operate.
You
know
year
in
and
year
out,
if
they
have
these
taxes
that
aren't
coming
in-
and
this
is
the
process
through
the
state
All
Counties
do
this.
We
cash
flow
them.
In
essence,
we
give
them
100
of
what's
owed,
they
get
10,
wait,
10
million
dollars
delinquent.
We
give
them
10
million
dollars.
F
We
become
the
collections
agent
on
that
money
and
then
that's
that's
the
first
year
right,
that's
the
first
year
of
the
Foreclosure
processes.
They
had
that
first
year
to
pay.
It
comes
over
to
us
after
the
first
year.
They
have
another
two
years,
but
that's
what
we
do
with
our
cbts.
Is
we
cash
both
cvts
with
that
dtrf
fund,
so
we
make
sure
that
they
have
the
cash
they
need
to
operate.
You
know
they're
with
with
their
budget,
so
does
that
make
sense,
yeah
yeah,
and
so
that's
when
we
work
most
closely.
F
G
F
That's
the
Foreclosure,
that's
where
that's
when
the
Foreclosure
happens
right
so
and
that's
why
the
DTR
has
money
and
is
because
there's
those
interests
and
fees
that
are
mandated
by
the
state.
So
we
are
collecting
that
as
part
of
it.
So
that's
where
and
then.
Ultimately,
if
we
don't
collect,
then
we
foreclose
and
hope
to
sell
it
at
an
auction
and
if
it's
sold
at
an
auction,
then
you
know
now
there's
a
surplus
that
goes
to
the
former
owner.
But
we're
made
whole
right.
That's
how
we
make
ourselves
whole.
F
H
H
A
M
M
Number
goes
up,
so
that
sounds
like
a
big
deal
because
we
would
have
had
over
300,
but
we
would
have
had
300
more
foreclosures
that
we
now
don't
have
because
of
this
state-funded
program.
That
will
run
out
that,
thanks
to
your
question,
Robert
and
Jody
and
Jill
will
need
money
for
in
a
few
years.
When
does
the
might
have
programs
end?
So.
F
Whenever
it
runs
out
of
money,
but
by
2026
at
the
latest
right
I
mean
it's
just
like
Arbor
dollar,
so
by
the
end
of
2026
at
the
latest.
Unless
they
spend
it
down
prior
to
then,
and
they
have
spent
I
mean
I,
think
Wayne
Counties
got
close
to
30
million
or
something
out
of
that
and
again
we're
only
about
5
million.
H
U
H
So
when
the
program
first
opened,
they
would
pay
back
to
your
2019
taxes,
so
they
would
pay
your
whatever
you
had
due
2019
20
21
22.,
and
then
they
were
so.
Unfortunately,
there
are
some
people
that
have
older
years
than
that
still
owe
us
17
and
18..
So
they
were
leaving
this
like
Gap
and
County.
Treasurers
went
back
to
them
and
said:
look
you're,
not
preventing
the
Foreclosure.
F
For
houses,
but
this
is
a
good
idea
because
they
said
okay,
we
paid
your
19
20
21s
and
it
was
18
000.
You
still
owe
you
know,
seven
thousand
dollars
prior.
Why
don't
you
just
right
so
that
you
stop
the
Foreclosure
right,
because
each
year
is
independent
of
the
other
year
with
the
foreclosure
process
right,
so
you
could
pay
your
22s
and
23
taxes,
but
oh
your
2020s
and
get
foreclosed
right
so
so.
M
F
E
F
Of
the
the
land
bank
and
the
land
bank
board
right
so
like
we
have
our
Surplus
property,
we
were
and
I've
talked
about
this
before
we
were
operating
a
quasi-land
bank
in
our
office.
So
those
properties
that
didn't
sell
at
auction
they
would
and
the
local
communities
didn't
want
them.
Then
we
would
maintain
those
properties
and
oversee
those
properties.
So,
right
now
we
don't
have
I
mean
we
have
only
a
few
properties
that
we
have
decided
to
move
into.
The
land
bank
yeah.
U
T
F
F
B
Y
Y
H
F
F
F
L
A
Z
So
this
makes
up
pretty
much
our
leadership.
Team
David
is
second
sort
of
runs
the
office
and
does
a
lot
of
things
that
I
couldn't
possibly
do
and
Betsy
deals
mostly
with
you
all
folks
like
this
is
like
her
and
all
of
the
administrating
that
it
takes,
and
then
Justin
focuses
on
training
and
policy.
So
so,
as
you
know,
I
I
think
this
isn't.
Is
this
my
third
time
doing
this
third
I'd
like
to
what's
that
that
was.
Z
B
Z
I
do,
though,
just
for
some
context
with
the
Oxford
prosecution.
We
are
in
the
middle
of
the
military,
where
we're
asking
the
court
to
sentence
him
to
life
without
parole,
even
though
he's
a
juvenile,
even
though
in
general
I,
just
favor
life
without
Pro
sentences
for
juveniles.
This,
of
course,
is
a
an
egregious
rare
exception.
Z
So
we
are
thick
in
the
middle
of
it.
I'm
personally
involved
in
that,
and
we
are
going
back
on
Friday
for
our
rebuttal,
witness
and
then
my
closing
so
definitely
and
then
the
parents
case
is
still
with
the
Supreme
Court
and
we
expect
a
decision
we
actually
we
can't
expect
a
decision
because,
unlike
other
bodies,
they
have
absolutely
no
time
frame
or
requirement
where
they
can
leave
or
deny
or
accept
lease
so
hoping
that
we'll
have
a
trial
day
on
the
parents.
Z
Z
Well,
what
was
happening
because
it
was
all
paper.
Is
they
just?
There
were
a
couple
that
were
problems
and
they
just
weren't
turning
in
their
files,
and
there
was
no
way
of
checking
it
at
all,
and
so
by
the
time
that
got
to
our
radar
and
my
radar.
You
know
once
you
start
digging
just
piles
of
cases
where
the
case
was
dismissed
in
a
district
court
for
lots
of
them
domestic
violence,
because
the
victim
did
not
show
up.
Well,
as
you
know,
that's
very
common,
and
we
have
alternate
proofs
that
we
can
proceed
on.
Z
There's
a
lot
of
things
and
I'm
not
saying
this
happens
all
the
time,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
in
order
for
me
to
know.
What's
going
on
in
the
office,
we
need
transparency
and
I
need.
We
need
to
be
able
to
put
our
hands
on
a
file
and
that
just
wasn't
happening
just
even
getting
a
file
I.
Just
someone
calls
me
about
a
file.
Maybe
it's
a
judge.
Maybe
it's
an
attorney.
Maybe
it's
one
of
you.
Can
you
look
into
this?
This
is
what
happened
before
July
11th
last
year.
Z
Kate.
Can
you
call
down
to
case
records
and
grit
and
see
if
you
can
get
the
file
if
I'm
lucky
I
might
have
up
my
hands
on
it
by
the
end
of
the
day,
but
I'm?
Usually,
that's
not
the
case.
They
have
to
track
it
down,
it
might
be
in
someone's
car
it
might
be
in
someone's
house,
it
might
be
at
some.
You
know
place
where
we
store.
Z
It
might
be
in
someone's
desk
or
office
and
within
that
paper
file
are
like
actual
pieces
of
evidence
and
for
the
most
part,
all
law
enforcement
is
digital,
but
some,
some
of
it
isn't
and
if
it's
gone,
there's
no
way
to
proceed
with
the
prosecution.
So
it
got
to
the
point
where
I
said:
I
we're
doing
it.
I
know
it's
not
perfect.
Z
We
don't
have
a
case
management
system,
we
don't
have
carpal,
but
we
put
it
together
and
it's
been
somewhat
of
a
headache
because
we're
outgrowing
the
capacity
and
and
David
can
tell
you
like
it's
just
it's
not
it's,
not
it's
not
doable
from
that
perspective.
So,
thankfully,
the
the
county
executive
has
has
recommended
that
we
we
get
the
funds
for
a
case
and
evidence
management
system
and
and
again
I
I
just
want
what
everyone
else
you
know
it.
AA
Mean
just
briefly
so
they
set
up
a
site
for
us.
They
said
we
had
unlimited
storage
as
much
as
we'll
ever
need.
We
can
always
add
to
it
no
problem
and
within
three
months
they
said,
you've
used
up
25
terabytes
of
space.
It
turns
out.
Each
site
is
limited
to
25
terabytes
you're,
filling
it
up
now,
at
a
rate
of
25
terabytes,
quarterly
100
terabytes
a
year
you're
going
to
cross
the
county
a
lot
of
money.
AA
AA
K
Z
Can
they're
functions
that
you'll
be
surprised?
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
which
is
Type
in
somebody's
name
and
automatically
know
all
the
files
we
have
on
that
one
person
type
in
a
victim's
name
and
automatically
know
if
that
person
is
also
a
defendant
or
a
victim.
On
another
case,
you
know,
carpal
also
generates
subpoenas.
Carpal
sends
emails
to
Witnesses
and
victims
and
and
defendants
and
notifies
people
of
changes.
Z
So
it's
it's
really
going
to
be
a
game
changer
in
terms
of
how
we
prosecute
and
how,
with
the
ease-
and
that
really
leads
me
into
the
next
topic,
because
what
I
want
is
lawyers
to
do
lawyer
work.
You
know
20
years
ago,
when
I
was
at
the
office.
I
was
an
assistant
prosecutor
and
I
worked
for
Dave
gorska
and
you
were
lucky
to
have
a
job
and
nobody
cared
what
you
thought
and
nobody
cared
about
respecting
you
in
the
workplace,
because
there's
20
people
behind
you
that'll
take
your
job
so
out
the
door.
Z
If
you
don't
like
it
right,
that's
not
the
case
anymore.
It's
not
the
case
for
any
industry.
Ever
all
of
us
need
to
work
harder
to
keep
employees
and
we
need
to
care
about
culture,
and
one
of
the
things
that
they're
still
doing
in
my
office
is
giving
clerical
and
support
staff
work
to
lawyers.
So
I
have
prosecutors,
who
are
here
at
11
o'clock
at
night,
putting
exhibits
into
binders
and
copying.
Z
I
have
prosecutors,
spending
hours
spilling
out
subpoenas.
Those
do
not
take
any
skill.
It
doesn't
take
a
lawyer
to
do
that,
putting
together
presentations
like
a
PowerPoint,
but
it
has
nothing
to
do
of
the
substance
of
the
presentation
we
are
doing.
We
are
putting
that
on
the
backs
of
lawyers,
and
that
is
that,
first
of
all,
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
from
a
cost
benefit
standpoint.
Z
Why
would
we
pay
people
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
spend
half
of
their
time
copying
exhibits
or
sending
out
subpoenas
or
sending
out
discovery
that
discovery,
which
is
the
packet
of
information?
All
defendants
have
a
right
to
that,
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
it
also
doesn't
bode
well
for
keeping
employees,
because
if
you
can
go
to
another
firm
or
a
private
practice
and
make
about
the
same
but
not
spend
time
copying,
that's
what
you're
going
to
do
when
I
got
here,
we
had
prosecutors.
Z
Sometimes
it
would
take
eight
hours
to
just
upload
videos
for
an
exam
in
District
Court.
The
next
day.
It's
unsustainable,
I
wouldn't
keep
that
I
would
not
keep
saying
that
job
if
I
had
it
that
it
just
doesn't
make
sense.
So
what
I've
really
tried
to
do
is
say:
okay,
let's
shift
clerical
work
to
non-lawyers
because,
first
of
all
they
cost
less
money
and,
second
of
all,
then
my
lawyers
can
do
the
things
that
we
want
to
do
and
the
things
that
we
have
done,
but
the
things
we
still
have
yet
to
do.
Z
Z
But
I
don't
have
time,
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
resources
to
have
lawyers.
Do
that
work
because
I'm
they
are
so
much
of
their
jobs.
Right
now,
in
many
of
the
divisions
is
truly
copying.
Putting
into
you
know
sending
things
out,
it
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
so
what
I
have
asked
for
that?
The
the
executive
has
not
recommended
and
I'm
here
to
really
tell
you
why?
That's
not
the
right
move
is
paralegals.
Z
We
we
can.
We
can
pay
paralegals
significantly
less.
They
have
the
expertise
to
even
draft
pleading.
Sometimes
that
are
just
more
generic
and
and
form
send
out
subpoenas
send
Discovery
out
to
lawyers
they
can
put
together,
exhibit
lists.
They
can
help
prepare
so
that
the
lawyer
is
actually
preparing
for
their
docket
or
their
case,
and
while
I
understand
that
we
don't
they
don't
like
funding
and
I
get
it.
This
is
your
job.
Nobody
likes
signing
on
for
positions,
because
it's
a
long-term
thing,
but
the
single
biggest
cost
in
our
office
is
personnel.
Z
And
do
you
know
how
much
money
we
waste
by
training
somebody
and
then
four
months
later
they
leave
and
I
would
love
to
tell
you
that's
not
happening,
but
it
is
happening.
The
load
is
too
much,
particularly
on
the
entry
level
when
we
send
prosecutors
to
District
Court,
where
the
misdemeanors
are
tried
and
the
felonies
have
their
their
first
preliminary
exam
probable
cause
hearing.
Those
are
usually
newer.
Z
Lawyers
and
the
load
there,
there's
no
paralegal
in
my
District
Court,
not
one
so
I
have
two
secretaries
who
barely
managed
to
keep
up
on
scanning
the
mail
and
sending
out
some
subpoenas
and
I've
taken
case
records,
people
and
diverted
them
to
helping
with
sending
out
Discovery
I
have
a
litigation
support
unit.
Now
all
they
do
all
day
long
is
take
digital
Discovery,
upload
it
and
get
it
to
a
form
where
we
can,
as
our
duty
under
the
Constitution,
provide
what
we
have
to
the
defense
attorneys
in
a
timely
manner.
Z
Z
If
just
for
reference-
and
you
probably
know
this,
but
we
don't
just
get
a
body-worn
camera
of
the
traffic
stop,
what
we
get
is
about
12
hours
of
a
body-worn
camera
for
that
Deputy
or
officer
during
his
shift,
and
we
have
to
go
through
it.
We
have
to
find
what
we
need.
Then
we
have
to
redact
to
make
sure
nobody's
on
those
tapes
there
or
those
videos
that
we
don't
want
a
defendant
to
know,
and
it
takes
a
long
time.
Z
Do
you
want
to
pay
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
a
lawyer
to
do
that,
because
I
don't
and
I'm
a
taxpayer
I
do
not.
That
makes
absolutely
no
sense.
So
we
need
more
clerical
positions
like
paralegals
to
to
shoulder
some
of
that
and
by
the
way
I
mean
it's
just
when
we
think
we
have
a
workaround
and
we've
got
it
under
control.
Z
A
lot,
but
there
has
been
a
push
to
Resource
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
because
he's
really
good
at
doing
that
and
I'm
just
getting
started,
but
you
can
you
can
resource
him
all
you
want,
but
if
we
don't
have
lawyers
to
do
anything
with
all
of
that
digital
evidence,
then
it
doesn't
make
any
sense.
We
we
need.
We
need
resources
and
I.
Z
Don't
think
anybody
would
argue
that
should
be
a
lawyer
and
it's
more
cost
effective
to
have
a
paralegal
and,
in
addition,
it's
better
for
culture,
because
people
didn't
go
to
law,
school
and
rack
up
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
student
loans,
so
they
could
go
and
spend
from
eight
to
ten
at
night
copying
things
so
they
could
be
ready
for
their
dog
the
next
day.
That
is
not.
Z
That
is
not,
and
also
you
know,
I've
got
people
in
places
and
firms
like
they
can
hire
somebody
at
for
the
same
amount
or
more,
and
they
don't
have
to
do
that
now.
This
structure
was
definitely
already
in
place.
I
come
from
private
practice,
I
worked
for
one
of
the
largest
law
firm
in
Oakland
County,
so
did
David.
This
is
very
well
recognized
in
a
private
practice
setting
because
ultimately
they're
for-profit,
so.
E
Z
Want
to
make
money,
and
so
they're
not
going
to
pay
lawyers
to
do
something
they
can.
They
can
pay
a
paralegal
to
do
so.
That
immediately
is
that's
our
backgrounds,
but
not
just
that
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
slides,
I
don't
know
a
slide
right
now,
but
there's
there
is
also
in
the
public
sector
and
the
Department
of
Justice.
Z
They
have
six
paralegal.
They
have
six
lawyers
to
one
paralegal
and
private
firms.
It's
three
to
one!
Obviously
we're
not
in
that
we're
asking
for
eight
to
one
currently.
What
is
it
Betsy,
15
15
lawyers
to
one
paralegal
and
there's
another
way
of
saying
that
it
means
like
14,
Learners
have
no
parents,
I
mean,
or
at
least
13..
G
Z
I
actually
hardly
have
anything
to
present.
I
was
just
going
to
make
the
final
push
and
say
that
this
strategy-
this
is
in
line
also
with
the
one
of
the
Strategic
goals
of
the
the
county,
which,
of
course,
is
Public.
Safety
fairness
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
so
I,
don't
I
mean
I.
Don't
want
to
forget
that
this
is
this.
Is
the
county,
Executives
pillars
and
I'm
just
trying
to
do
what
he
feels
is
important.
So,
yes,.
G
Thank
you
first
off.
Thank
you
for
the
information
being
new
to
the
commission.
This
is
all
brand
new
to
me
and
I
guess
you
know,
as
an
outsider,
sort
of
looking
in
I
come
from
the
medical
world
right
so
for
me,
EMR
has
been
the
gold
standard
for
a
couple
of
decades.
Right
I
can
only
imagine
in
the
legal
world
it
would
mirror
or
parallel
kind
of
what
I'm
used
to
on
the
medical
side
of
things.
So
the
fact
that
this
is
all
paper
system
and
the
fact
that
records
get
lost
by.
Z
G
Yeah,
you
won't
even
find
a
medical
practice
anymore.
That
does
this
so
I
I
can't
imagine
on
the
legal
side,
I
guess
my
my
question.
This
is
more
of
a
rhetorical
question,
because
again
I'm
only
six
months
into
this
job.
How
did
this
hot
mess
continue
for
as
long
as
it
did?
Was
there
any
oversight
to
this
point
because
I
frankly,
I
just
don't
understand
how
we
got
here.
J
Z
G
E
Z
I
I
worked
there
20
years
ago,
Jessica
Cooper
served
as
a
prosecutor
for
12
years.
She
was
my
predecessor
and
she
was
a
mess.
She
was
a
Democrat
Boeing.
She
didn't
want
anyone
in
the
office
there's
a
there's.
A
training
fund
we
had
could
use
that.
We
desperately
need
because
that's
another
whole
topic.
My
training
budget's
like
seven
thousand
dollars
or
something.
Z
My
training
budget
is
three
thousand
dollars.
Are
you
guys
happy
with
that?
Because
if
you
are
a
victim
of
a
crime
or
your
hip
loved
one
prosecuted,
don't
you
really
want
your
prosecutors
to
be
trained?
I
have
three
thousand
dollars,
so
we
use
this
net
fund,
but
she
wouldn't
even
use
that
because
she
didn't
like
to
come
in
front
of
the
Commissioners
when
I
walked
in
after
I
won
the
election.
The
paint
on
the
walls
and
the
carpet
was
still
the
original.
Z
When
the
building
was
built
over
20
years
ago,
there
were
VHS
players,
the
phones
were
yellow.
The
screens
were
like
this.
There
was
no
Capital
Improvement
at
all,
so
I.
Remember,
commissioner
Hoffman
came
over
and
commissioner
Spitz
and
I
said:
look
I
just
want
you
to
show
it.
I
showed
them.
I
wasn't
even
there
to
talk
about
the
that
we
don't
have
digital
I
really
wanted,
because
I
was
asking
the
commission
to
say:
hey,
we
really
need
modern.
Z
G
The
fact
that
evidence,
like
you
said
is
paper,
can
get
lost
or
whatever
the
case
is
so
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time,
but
I
guess.
My
quick
questions
on
a
very
high
level
is:
what
is
it
going
to
take
to
get
from
where
we
are
to
where
we
need
to
be
in
terms
of
dollars
and
cents
right?
Do
we
have
somebody
other
than
yourself
who
I
assume
is
eyeball
deep
in
doing
the
legal
thing
right?
G
H
Z
Give
them
phones
that
were
made,
you
know
in
the
20th
century,
recently
yeah
and
the
same
sort
of
digital
age
that
every
other
lawyer,
then
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
keep
them
and
we're
certainly
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
what
what
we
want
to
get
done
so
slowly.
I
mean
this.
This
board
has
been
tremendous
in
supporting
me
not
just
in
that
front,
but
also
you
know
when
Oxford
occurred
there
were
it
was
the
world
tipped
upside
down?
Our
needs
were
different.
G
AA
000.,
so
one
of
the
things
is
we
really
focused
on.
This
is
a
Karen
thing,
a
David
thing
because
of
coming
from
private
practice,
we
want
to
be
cost
effective.
We
want
to
be
efficient
and
frankly,
if,
if
we
get
more
attorneys,
it's
not
easy
to
hire
attorneys
right
now
anyway.
Right
so
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
we
have
enough
attorneys
to
handle
our
cases
and
do
the
things
that
you
all
want
us
to
do
and
we're
close
to
that.
If
those
folks
don't
have
to
do
other
work.
G
Z
It's
a
domino
effect.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
Demands
on
the
criminal
justice
system,
there's
a
lot
of
Demand
on
prosecutors
and
and
I'm
committed
to
them.
I
really
am
but
I
can't
I
can't
create.
You
know,
resources
where
I
don't
have
them
just
like
we're,
trying
to
focus
more
on
things
like
restorative
justice
and
pre-trial
supervision,
but
we
need
by
the
way,
a
lot
of
that
work
even
could
be
done
and
supported
by
paralegals,
but
we
are
going
to
need
a
lawyer
heading
up
those
things,
but
we're
also
we're
still.
Z
You
know
at
capacity
with
actually
running
the
office
and
prosecuting
correct
and
those
things
are
we're
trying
to
be
as
preventative
as
possible.
We
started
the
commission
to
address
gun.
Violence
were
involved
in
community
violence.
Interrupters
we
were,
we
have
a
gun
task
force,
we
work
with
the
FBI,
so
we
do
a
lot
of
things,
but
the
other
thing
that
we
don't
do
as
much
as
I
would
like
to
is
diversionary
programming.
So
I
we
have
courts.
Z
We
have
problem
solving
courts,
but
there's
so
much
my
office
could
do
my
office
can
do
pre-charged
diversions
when
we
know
this
is
a
mental
health
issue.
It's
not
a
serious
felony,
but
it's
a
mental
health
issue,
it's
a
substance,
abuse
issue
and
then
we
can
prevent
someone
from
even
ever
like
really
formally
getting
into
the
criminal
justice
system.
We
used
to
have
first
offender
programs.
All
of
that.
There's
no
capacity
to
do
that
because
I
don't
have
the
people.
G
Z
Puts
us
through
the
the
whole
thing
about
when
we
ask
and
they
come
back
and
they
say
yes,
no,
yes,
no,
but
I
never
get
an
opportunity
at
that
level
to
do
what
I'm
doing
now.
So
that's
all
done
by
Betsy
and
whoever
she's
interfacing
with
yoga.
Yes
for
them,
and
so
then
they
say
this
is
what
we'll
fund,
and
this
is
what
we
will
recommend
to
the
board.
So
that's
why
I'm
here,
because
they
did
not
recommend
the
paralegals
and
that's
essential
I.
B
K
B
B
Z
AA
Divisions
so,
but
I
just
want
to
give
you
an
example
of
family
support.
So
Family
Support
has
a
very
high
volume
practice.
They
have
four
attorneys
and
four
paralegals.
It's
a
one-to-one
ratio
because
you
can
get
all
that
work
done.
If
you
have
the
right
support,
we
think
in
the
litigation
divisions
I
mean
we're
asking
for
eight
to
money.
Yeah
Someday,
I'm,.
Z
Pressing
the
age
of
one
and
to
get
to
eight
to
one
we,
we
need
five
more
positions,
so
we're
asking
for
eight
lawyers,
one
paralegal
and
and
that
person
would
be
in
charge
of
sending
out
discovery
which
is
literally
and
filling
out
subpoenas.
That's
not
that's
putting
something
in
the
mail
or
emailing
somebody
making
sure
filing
things
with
the
court
and
then
doing
reals
resources
like
helping
with
putting
together
prosecutions
and
and
litigation.
So.
I
Specials
the
amount
of
evidence,
digital
evidence
that
we
get
and
the
amount
of
evidence
that
we
that
we
would
get
the
prosecutor
and
I
were
here
in
1999.
The
evidence
that
we
had
then,
is
a
whole
different
ballgame
than
what
we
have
now
and
it's
described
on
most
of
the
websites
that
I
read
is
the
tsunami
of
digital
evidence.
I
have
one
murder
case
that
I'm
currently
handling.
I
I
Are
they're
more
skilled,
yeah,
more
skilled?
They
can
write
briefs.
They
are
they're,
basically
attorneys,
but
we
have.
We
don't
have
to
pay
them
as
much,
but
just
to
give
you
an
example
and
then
I'll
stop
talking
on
cell
phone
evidence,
body,
worn
cameras,
crime
scene
photos
all
the
digital
devices
in
a
murder
case.
They
all
need
to
be
downloaded
and
it's
not
just
downloading
them.
I
The
sheriff's
department
examines,
as
it
turns
over
the
report,
but
then
we
have
to
go
through
it
to
make
our
case,
and
it's
not
just
you
know,
just
throw
the
cell
phone
up
there.
It's
like
what
did
the
defendant
say
to
the
victim
or
what
was
going
on
before,
and
it's
like
just
one
case.
There's
just
thousands
of
documents.
Z
Z
Z
I
And
the
reason
that
you
do
it
is
it's
your
case.
It's
due
diligence
in
my
murder
case
the
defendant
made
a
comment
about
the
forensic
examiner
about
his
opinion,
he's
running
an
insanity
defense
and
he
said
that
it
was
stupid.
So
we
found
that
because
one
of
our
investigators
listen
to
the
jail
calls,
that's
a
huge
piece
of
evidence.
So.
Z
I
think
it
might
even
be
in
your
District.
It
was
a
man
Vincent
Bouchard
who
filled
in
in
literally
chopped
up
his
wife
and
put
her
in
a
garbage
bag
and
is
claiming
insanity.
And
it's
you
know
where
he
went.
We
have
the
cell
phone,
we
have
the
Black
Box
data
of
where
he
was
what
he
was
doing,
because
that
all
comes
into
play
and
and
that
kind
of
a
defense.
These
are
serious
cases
and
Justin.
Also
oversees
the
Warrens
division.
Z
I
asked
him
to
do.
I,
like
I,
think
it's
important
to
actually
physically
and
really
personally
be
involved
in
litigation,
which
again
is
not
really
what
a
former
electives
would
do,
but
I
I've
learned
so
much
from
Prosecuting
personally
the
Oxford
case,
and
you
learn
immediately
what
people
are
doing
and
what
they're
not
doing
and
what
they're
expected
to
do,
and
it
was
it
was
it's.
It
was
very
eye-opening,
but
when
he
just
said
about
the
Tsunami
of
digital
evidence,
that's
all
handled
in
the
Warrants
Division.
E
Z
The
same
number,
so
it
might
even
be
less
so
that's
why
we
have
this
litigation
of
support.
We've
sort
of
like
MacGyver
together,
saying
like
there's
a
student,
there's
a
couple
people
that
we
you
know
they
literally
just
take
all
the
digital
evidence,
because
all
of
this
has
grown
what
we're
expected
to
do,
but
we
have
not
increased
in
our
resources
right
so.
A
A
little
bit
over
there,
we
need
to
take
this
out
of
projects
projects
meeting.
You
know
it's
obviously
a
much
bigger
problem
to
solve
than
the
Administration
has
a
piece
of
it.
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
something
about
opening
up
positions
for
you,
they're
going
to
have
to
agree
to
it.
So
I'll
write
that
down
on
your
list,
yeah.
Z
However,
I
need
to
talk
to
certain
this
was
not
there.
Wasn't
we
didn't
really
get
into
the
weeds.
There
wasn't
really
an
opportunity
to
do
what
I'm
doing
here
and
really
explain
what
what
that
was
and
I
I
do
understand
the
fiscal
philosophy
behind
like
not
just
like
creating
a
bunch
more
positions,
but
if
you
did
open.
D
Z
Staff
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
the
sheriff's
resources
and
people
and
lots
of
other
things
like
robots
and
helicopters
and
all
that
we've
increased
this
and
even
Animal
Control
yeah,
that's
great,
but
you
know
it's
great
that
the
sheriff
has
drones.
Guess
who
has
to
go
through
the
Drone
video?
We
can't
just
accommodate.
Like
he's
doing
the
right
thing.
You
have
to
keep
up
on
law
enforcement
techniques,
I'm
supported
that
I.
Don't
I,
don't
want
you
to
think
I'm,
not
what
I'm
saying
is
we.
The
prosecutor's
office
has
not
grown
and.
D
A
M
M
Z
Z
We
go
through
all
of
it.
We
found
things
that
they
couldn't
have
because
they
can't,
because
once
you
sit
down
to
actually
they're
investigating
to
charge
crimes,
this
is
a
better
way
of
saying
it
when
they
present
us
a
a
charge
and
they
ask
here's
the
case
and
we're
making
in
the
Warrants
Division
a
a
call
about
whether
or
not
there's
probable
cause
to
charge
this
person.
When
you
get
to
the
actual
litigating
part
where
you
have
to
do
a
preliminary
exam
and
a
trial,
there's
a
lot
more.
Z
K
M
Z
Z
That
I
was
appointed
by
the
governor.
We
have
the
gun,
the
gun,
violence
task
force
that
we,
that
more,
is
gang-related
in
Pontiac
that
we
work
with.
In
with
the
FBI.
We
have
a
restorative
justice
initiative
that
we
have
six
lawyers
working
on
and
we're
looking
at
other
models
across
the
state
in
the
country
to
bring
that
to
our
juvenile
division.
Z
Z
About
it,
yeah
and
it's
increasing,
and
by
the
way
that
number
is
not
even
reflective,
because
we
don't
have
a
human
trafficking,
real
force
in
Oakland
County
and
just
a
good
example.
We
do
have
in
my
human
in
my
trafficking
unit,
drugs
and
humans,
I've
got
three
lawyers,
that's
it,
and
one
of
them
is
not
even
it's
considered
a
section,
not
a
division,
so
I
can't
even
pay
the
leader
a
Chief's
position,
very,
very
educated
and
up
to
speed
many
of
you
saw
in
the
newspaper
a
few
weeks
back.
Z
Z
She
left
with
her
two
small
children
strapped
in
car
seats
by
the
way
for
hours
they
were
there.
One
was
three
months
old
and
one
was
two
and
it
turns
out.
We.
We
strongly
believe
that
she's
being
trafficked
that
boyfriend
that
she
was
living
with,
who
denies
he's
a
boyfriend,
also
had
another
woman
there
and
when
you
talk
to
the
clerk
of
the
hotel,
he's
a
trafficker
now
we're
trying
to
put
a
case
together,
but
we're
now
really
educating
local
law
enforcement
because
there's
no
task
force.
Z
So
what
we're
going
to
be
really
looking
into
with
the
board
that
already
has
a
commission
or
a
task
force,
is,
you
know,
look
not
as
important,
but
net
does.
If
you
think
about
how
many
resources-
and
that
has
that,
doesn't
they
don't
even
do
marijuana
anymore?
That's
out
and
they're,
they
don't
do
anything
about
human
trafficking,
so
we
we
really
need
a
designated
trafficking
entity
like
like
not
so
anyway.
Z
Those
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
am
thinking
about
and
we're
moving
forward
and
I'm
telling
you
I'm
doing
it
like
with
the
shoestring
I
do
I
have
so
many
workarounds
because
I,
you
know,
I
sit
around
tables
where
people
will
say
we
need
this.
We
need
this
and
I
say
guys.
You
can't
snap
your
fingers
there.
You
have
to
understand
everybody
else's
perspective
where
they're
coming
from
there
are
funding
source
and
they
have
more
to
worry
about
than
just
the
prosecutor's
office.
Z
So
we
have
to
be
very
smart
and
reasonable
about
what
is
it
we
really
need,
and
you
should
also
know
that
we've
had
people
say
I'm
down
to
people
in
the
juvenile
division,
I'm
down
two
people
and
I
say
well:
okay,
well
hold
on
I
I,
actually
review.
Personally,
the
the
trial
schedules
for
each
division
them
and
I
do
that,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
and
resources
that
we
have
and
that
we
are
equitably
Distributing
work
in
the
office.
Z
M
To
round
out
the
point,
it
sounds
like
we've
kind
of
done
the
easier
part,
thus
far
right.
We're
we've
got
someone
in
office
with
a
team.
That's
trying
to
prevent
gun
violence,
someone
that's
working
towards
Juvenile
Justice,
someone
who's
addressing
gang
violence,
someone
who
cares
about
restorative
justice,
someone
who
wants
to
give
people
a
40
of
people
in
jail
right
now
in
Oakland
County,
who
are
there
because
they
can't
make
bail
and
have
not
been
charged,
there's
over
400
people
and
someone
who's
addressing
human
trafficking.
M
AA
A
All
heard
that
there's
an
issue
certainly
with
inadequate
Staffing
at
that
paralegal
level,
okay,
to
kind
of
free
up
everything
else
that
you're
trying
to
do.
Okay,
I
want
to
crank
through
this
list
here,
because
some
of
the
other
Commissioners
deserve
their
time
too,
and
commissioner
Smith
Charles
you're
up.
Thank.
J
J
Charles
Charles,
who
used
to
sit
across
the
in
your
office,
yes,
Chuck,
Moss!
Thank
you.
You
know
we
were
all
in
the
class
we
came
in.
We
cut
our
teeth,
so
I
do
feel
a
special
Kindred
spirit,
with
the
work
that
you've
done
and
I
would
also
it
just
recollect.
The
first
meeting
that
you
came
and
you
kind
of
lamented
about
some
of
those
things
that
were
dilapidated
to
say
it
nicely.
J
J
So
you
know
I'm
here
for
it
and
as
long
as
it's
being
utilized
properly,
defendants
deserve
all
of
that.
They
get
so
really
just
an
opportunity.
Since
I
don't
get
to
talk
with
you
very
often
or
see
you
a
little
bit
of
a
fan
girl
here
of
yours,
but
just
continue
the
good
work
and
I'm
praying
for
all
of
you.
You
know
the
national
spotlight's
been
on
our
community
since
last,
or
was
it
two
on
two
November
now
yeah?
So
just
wanted
to
say,
I'm
I'm
here
to
support.
T
A
D
Be
brief
too
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
also
I
did
have
a
hard
time
voting
for
the
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars
for
the
animals,
although
I
like
animals,
but
with
your
request,
people
are
first
in
my
book
and
I
would
I
would
like
you
to.
You
know
talk
to
Administration
and
our
leadership
of
our
board
and
I
would
certainly
support
this
year.
Finding
money
somewhere,
because
you
can't,
just
like
you
say,
law
firms
don't
work
this
way.
D
This
is
an
important
part
of
our
County,
and
just
it
just
baffles
me
that
on
this
stuff,
with
I.T
and
Staffing
that
we're
so
far
behind,
but
we
get
all
these
awards
for
Oakland
I
mean
I've,
been
here
for
21
years,
and
it
baffles
me
sometimes
how
we
get
I'm.
Sorry
I
am
on
tape,
but
how
we
get
all
these
I.T
Awards,
but
we
can't
even
get
access
to
the
website
right,
I
mean
or
Internet.
Sometimes
so,
I'm.
D
Don't
you
say
all
that
too
I
mean
you
you
get
where
I'm
coming
from
I
support,
I
support,
you
I,
definitely
think
that
I
didn't
know.
You
were
just
this
far
down
to
pick
from
paralegals
I
think
you
had
a
huge
job
after
12
years
of
and
lack
of
a
better
word.
If
she's
listening
neglect
to
that
office,
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
not
an
inappropriate
word
to
say
and
I
you
know
so
I
think
most
of
us
are
all
of
us
will
support
you.
D
Z
O
O
E
E
O
So
we
can
just
imagine
them
having
to
look
at
all
this
different
data
and
all
this
other
stuff
and
they've
been
the
same
20
years
and
technology
is
moving,
so
we
have
to
catch
up
so
anything
or
any
support
that
we
can
try
to
advocate
for
or
get
this
department.
I
just
asked
our
commissioners
to
please
consider
it.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
D
R
B
A
A
B
D
B
A
Y
Y
Revenue,
remember
you
might
remember
last
year
that
I
voiced
some
concern
about
those
line
items
being
increased,
knowing
that
the
levels
that
were
then
put
in
for
three
years
were
not
that
wasn't
realistic
knowing
what
was
on
the
horizon
with
the
economy,
so
things
such
as
a
lack
of
inventory
as
far
as
homes
for
sale
and
then
also
interest
rates
right
for
mortgages.
Those
have
gone
up
tremendously
in
the
last
year,
and
so
you
know
fewer
refi's.
Y
You
know
if
you're
going
to
refi,
that's
the
mortgage
recorded
So,
so
we
have
actually
trying
to
put
together
a
comparison
of
January
to
August
how
many
recordings
in
2022
for
those
months
versus
those
same
months
in
2023,
there's
actually
39
fewer
documents
and
what
that
equates
budget
wise
is
1.1
million
dollars.
Wow
I.
Y
Y
You
know
soft
I
had
access
to
information
or
I
was
provided
reports
on
a
monthly
basis
of
where
each
one
of
my
budgets
was
at
what
percentage
we
had
spent,
or
you
know,
brought
in
that
sort
of
thing
and
workday
doesn't
have
that
functionality.
So
it's
really
frustrating
for
me
for
somebody
who's
like
very
Hands-On,
with
my
budget
and
likes
to
know
like
well.
We
can't
spend
that
because
we
don't
have
any
more
money
there
or
we
have
to
move
money
or
something
to
not
always
have
that
information
on
a
monthly
basis.
Y
So
just
putting
it
out
there
another
line
item
in
Register
of
Deeds
office.
We
are
increasing,
I
mean
that
is
tracked
index,
so
we're
we're
increasing
that
Revenue
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
However,
I
put
a
caveat
with
that
that
it
is
possible.
We
hope
not,
but
it
is
possible
that
that
line
item
actually
goes
down
to
zero,
we're
just
seeing
what's
happening
in
some
other
counties
and
that's
just
a
possibility
so
I'm,
just
just
giving
you
a
heads
up
on
that.
What
was
that
track
to
index?
Y
So
it
was
twenty
four
thousand
we're
increasing
it
to
a
hundred
thousand.
Last
year.
It
was
I,
think
269
000
that
we
brought
in
it's
just
a
possibility
that
it
goes
to
zero.
So
just
just
don't
be
surprised,
we're
trying
to
not
be
surprised,
we're
hoping
it
doesn't
happen,
but
we'll
see
in
in
clerk
clerk
clerk
the
need
for
a
news
for
a
new
case
management
system
grows
stronger
every
day,
as
our
current
system
is
over
50
years
old.
Y
A
Y
Y
Were
hired
for
479
thousand
dollars
to
analyze
the
state's
solution,
as
well
as
to
see
how
much
life
is
left
in
our
system
yeah,
so
no,
it
was
I
think
actually
put
out
a
statement
with
you
know
within
the
team
saying.
The
state
solution
does
not
work
for
Oakland
County,
so
it's
not
coming
from
I.T,
it's
not
coming
from
the
courts
and
it's
not
coming
from
us,
but.
Y
Y
So
just
saying
just
saying:
if
we
are
forced
to
go
with
the
state
system,
hey
yeah
yeah,
we're
gonna
need
more
staff,
because
it's
doesn't
work
for
us,
and
B
will
probably
have
to
contract
with
some
other
vendors
to
make
it
work.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
and
then
again
the
loss
of
Revenue.
Y
Y
Y
A
J
Y
R
O
Y
Mean
we
have
historic
documents
in
all
three
divisions,
so
it's
everything
we
also
are
electronic
in
every
division,
but
we
also
have
historical
documents.
So
we
also
don't
have
a
generator,
and
you
know
we've
switched
to
these
VoIP
phones,
which
do
you
think
that
then
the
power
goes
out
and
we
don't
have
phones,
so
I
I
understand
that
perhaps
there's
not
a
generator
for
the
entire
building.
Y
But
you
know
just
like
at
your
house:
you
could
get
one
that
just
is
to
certain
circuits.
Just
to
you
know,
keep
your
furnace
running
or
something
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
some
sort
of
backup
here
for
phones
for
an
emergency
in
and
not
that
this
is
my
division,
but
in
the
basement
you
know
there
are
often
times
inmates
down
there.
Y
I
mean
I,
wouldn't
want
to
be
down
there
when
the
lights
go
up.
So
things
of
that
nature
so
and
I'm
sure
you're
all
anxious
to
hear
about
elections
and
early
voting
and
I
can
tell
you.
We
have
two
rfps
out
right
now,
one
for
a
software
program
to
provide
online
applications,
scheduling
and
training
of
election
workers,
so
really
election
worker
management,
as
well
as
managing
the
early
voting
sites.
Y
So
that's
one
RFP,
then
we
have
another
RFP
out
for
we'll
say
accessories,
not
the
voting
equipment,
but
things
like
voting
booths
ballot
containers,
things
of
that
nature
as
far
as
the
equipment
that
is
a
contract
with
the
state
but
and
I.
You
know
I
I
I'm
thinking
about
like
what
I
was
talking
about
today,
I
realized
when
we
got
our
new
equipment.
I,
don't
know
that
I
ever
shared
that
I
negotiated
different
terms
with
our
vendor
than
what
the
state
had
negotiated.
Y
I,
negotiate
better
terms,
so
at
a
lower
price
on
our
high-speed
tabulators
I
negotiated
that
they
actually
have
an
employee
that
works
in
Oakland
County
that
they
have
parts
and
extra
machines,
tabulators
and
Vats.
In
Oakland,
County
I
mean
it's
not
just
Frozen
County
it's
for
anyone
who
also
uses
our
vendor
but
creating
in
fact
you
know,
in
a
sense,
a
business
so
to
speak
in
Oakland
County,
but
putting
that
in
our
contract.
Y
In
a
in
an
addendum
to
the
state
contract,
so
I
will
be
again
negotiating
better
prices
than
what
they
have
state.
They
have
quoted
the
state
at,
but
we're
not
quite
there
yet
so,
and
we
are
waiting
on
some
things
from
the
state
to
enable
us
to
be
able
to
to
start
early
voting
in
November.
But
if
so,
everything
is
a
big
if
right
now
so
as
far
as
going
November,
so
I
don't
have
a
price
tag
for
any
of
those
things
yet.
Y
So
those
numbers
should
be
back
I
up
for
this
fiscal
year,
and
so
those
are
two
line
items.
That's
the
passport
line
item,
but
also
the
photographs
and
I
think
that's
all
I
need
I
have
to
touch
on
unless
we're
just
asking
for
big
asks,
which
I
guess
I
should
hear
so
once
again,
fire
suppression
generator
case
management
system
I
put
in
in
the
Register
of
Deeds
office.
Y
They
actually
have
no
break
room
so
when
they
eat
their
lunch
or
take
their
break,
anyone
from
the
public
can
see
them
they're
just
sitting
there
out
in
the
open,
and
so
it
would
be
nice
if
they
could
have
some
privacy
and
some
distance
and
in
addition
to
that,
one
of
the
tables
is
like
is
right
next
to
staff
that
are
doing
their
work.
So
it's
usually
quieter
at
that
table,
but
still
it's
a
distraction
for
those
for
those
team
members
as
well.
Y
Y
Y
E
Y
Election
really
were
the
military
and
overseas
voters
as
far
as
prop
2
changes,
the
military
and
overseas
voters
ballots
allowing
six
days
after
the
election
as
long
as
they've
been
postmarked
by
election
day
to
still
be
counted
so
that
delays
when
on
on
our
website,
it's
changes
from
unofficial
results
to
official
results
when
we
can
actually
certify
the
campus.
So
that
happened
this
morning
we
signed
finished
signing
off
because
we
had
two
communities
that
each
had
one
military
overseas
voter
ballot
that
had
not
been
returned.
Y
P
Y
Yeah
and-
and
we
haven't
always
had
20.,
so
it's
increased
as
we
as
we
do
it
and
when
I
had
a
wonderful
conversation
with
the
Chancellor
from
OCC
about
space,
and
they
were
a
wonderful
partner
and
we
were
able
to
utilize
their.
What
do
they
call
the
old
gym
yeah
on
their
campus,
so
we
were
able
to
bring
on
another
Community.
Y
We
actually
ended
West
Bloomfield,
my
community,
and
we
were
able
to
tabulate
for
them
as
well,
because
it
takes
space
for
us
to
have
all
the
people
to
be
able
to
do
it.
So
we
kind
of
were
at
a
standstill.
At
a
certain
point,
then,
with
the
addition
of
being
able
to
use
that
space,
we
could.
We
could
increase
how
many
communities
we
could
partner
with
and
contract
with
and
tabulate
for
so
we're.
P
D
A
D
Y
A
T
Y
Y
You
want,
so
a
lot
of
counties
have
what
they
call
fraud
alert.
Even
Oakland
County
used
to
have
one
that
it
was
just
on
name
and
I
can
tell
you
I'm,
not
the
only
Lisa
Brown
in
Oakland
County,
so
I
had
actually
signed
up
for
it,
but
every
couple
months-
and
that
was
another
thing-
was
only
every
couple
months.
Every
couple
months
I'd
get
a
ton
of
emails
and
I'd
like
freak
out.
Y
You
know
just
seeing
commercials
for
check
your
credit
report
check
your
credit
rating
and
I
thought.
No
one
ever
checks
the
title
to
your
home
and
it's
usually
your
biggest
Financial
investment,
and
even
if
you
do
the
next
day,
something
could
be
recorded
on
it.
So
I
I
did
when
I
mean
I've
won
national
awards.
For
it
it
was
showcased
at
the
Google
next
conference
in
2019
I'm,
just
I'm
very
proud
of
I'm,
proud
of
it.
As
my
baby,
thank
you
and
yeah.
Y
My
little
third
of
a
page
thing
on
it
and
their
tax
bills
and
Bloomfield
Township
just
did
it
for
a
second
time,
and
you
know
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
phone
calls
we
have
received,
because
people
got
that
in
their
tax
bill,
because
that's
something
you
open
right,
I
mean
everybody
opens
their
tax
bill
and
I
mean
we've
signed
up.
So
many
more
people,
because
of
just
that
and
we're
like.
T
X
D
Okay,
okay
I
just
want
to
put
on
a
list
somewhere,
I
think
Lisa
Brown
has
asked
for
fire
suppression
for
how
many
years
now
I
mean
a
lot
since
you've
been
here
almost
and
I
think
we
have
to
realize
like
we're,
Oakland
County,
there's
people
working
there
too
I
mean
this
is
just
blows,
my
mind
away,
that
we
don't
have
fire
suppression
for
not
only
for
our
staff
number
one,
but
for
all
those
records.
This
is
crazy
and
I
have
to
put
a
little
thing.
D
We
just
skipped
we're
doing
60
million
for
new
buildings,
but
we're
leaving
something.
But
you
know
if
you're
not
gonna
move
with
no
fire
suppression-
and
this
is
I-
have
it
on
my
list.
I,
don't
know
how
much
Cloud
I
have
anymore.
I,
probably
should
have
did
a
little
about
a
few
years
back.
Maybe
but
I
do
have
it
on
my
list.
Yeah.
You
know
for
amendments
I
want
because
I
you
know.
If
you're
gonna
stay
there
too,
you
have
to
have
fire
suppression.
I
mean
it's
it's.
It
is
crazy
to
me.
It's
not.
D
D
D
Y
So
at
one
point
there
was
what
was
called
the
Domino
project.
There
was
another
department
that
was
going
to
move
into
the
courthouse,
and
if
that
happened
then
the
grandfathering
in
of
not
having
fire
suppression
would
be
lifted,
and
so
at
that
point
you
know
they
did
have
to
price
all
those
things
out.
We
were
going
to
not
just
get
fire
suppression,
but
our
lights
down
down
there.
Well,
they
caused
fires.
To
be
honest
with
you,
I've
we've
had
a
fire
on
the
Register
of
Deeds
office
in
the
lights
and.
D
Y
D
A
G
You
so
just
piggybacking
off
what
commissioner
long
said.
I
guess
it's
a
little
bit
surprising
and
confusing
to
me.
You
mentioned
like
a
generator,
you
know
again,
I,
don't
know
what
type
of
generator
how
big
a
generator
like
in
my
own
home,
we
put
in
a
generator
I,
can't
imagine
it's
rocket
science
again
I.
We
also
don't
know
what
the
transition
is
to
the
new
buildings
when
and
if
those
are
complete.
G
You
know
so
my
hope
and
my
prayer
for
you
is
that
maybe
you
are
one
of
the
Departments
that
move,
and
maybe
all
this
magically
appears
with
that
new
facility.
But
if
it
doesn't
I
can't
imagine
a
generator
is
more
than
ever.
Maybe
twenty
thirty
thousand
dollars
I
I
get
I'm
just
guessing
I,
don't
know
what
it
would
take
to
outfit.
Your
operation,
fire
suppression,
same
kind
of
thing,
we're
talking
about
Sheriff's
Office
wanting
a
you
know:
50
million
dollar
training
center
and
we're
talking
about
fire
suppression
and
generators
kind
of
in
that
same
conversation.
Y
B
G
E
G
Luxury
right
right
well,
and
as
we
hear
from
these
departments,
you
know
again
echoing
what
commissioner
long
said,
we're
Oakland
County
right
like
we
should
be
the
best
of
the
best.
We
have
the
money
and
resources
to
do
it.
It's
just
frankly
surprising
to
me
as
a
new
commissioner
that
so
many
basic
things
that
aren't
already
in
place
right.
A
Y
Y
AC
AC
R
M
E
Y
Restricted
fund
s
CPL
fund
can
only
be
used
for
things
regarding
cpls,
so
it
pays
for
staff.
It
pays
for
all
the
all
the
cards
that
we
have
to
get
the
printing
machine,
everything
that
in
regards
to
CPL,
but
the
law
limits.
What
we
can
spend
that
money
on
and
it
can
only
be
used
for
cpls
so
right,
so
anything
regarding
CPS.
M
C
T
Y
M
Y
M
Y
Y
X
E
Y
Y
A
Y
You
have
control
over
the
over
some
of
them.
I
will
tell
you
there,
there's
a
bill
being
thrown
around
to
increase
a
marriage,
license
I
want
to
see
I,
don't
know
if
that's
gonna
move
or
not
it's
been,
but
it's
out
there,
and
that
would
be
a
big
increase
in
more
of
that.
Revenue
would
stay
with
us
versus
going.
Y
T
Y
You
know
you
don't
get
to
keep
everything
sometimes
for
like
recording
fees.
I'll
give
a
better
example:
okay
flat
fee
for
almost
anything
to
be
reported
in
the
Register
of
Deeds
office,
thirty
dollars
per
whatever
document.
Okay,
if
it's
a
30
page
mortgage,
it's
still
going
to
be
thirty
dollars.
If
it's
a
one-page,
quick
claim
deed,
it's
still
thirty
dollars,
but
thirty
dollars
isn't
all
going
into
the
general
fund.
So
there's
money
that
goes
into
the
remodietation
funds.
Y
M
Q
A
Y
I
mean
we
did
go
over
the
the
fee
for
our
certified
vital
record.
Not
that
long
ago,
I
I
would
not
push
to
raise
that.
If
you
recall
we
do
have
the
program.
That
was
one
of
the
first
things.
I
did
reduced
or
waiting
fee
for
Vital
Records
and
we
are
say
four
out
of
our
six
counties
that
we
touch
charge
the
same
thing.
We
do
there's
only
a
couple
counties
that
charge
more
than
we
do
a
couple
that
charge.
Y
You
know
some
of
the
smaller
ones
charge
us
but
like
it
would
be
up
to
you,
but
I
I
would
say.
I
I
wouldn't
look
to
change
that.
What
we
did
with
that
study.
It
was
commissioner
spizz
who,
when
I
introduced
the
Resolute
or
whatever
asked
for
the
resolution
to
have
the
fee
and
reduce
wave
program
he
said.
Well,
maybe
we're
charging
too
much
for
the
vital
records
in
the
first
place.
Why
don't
we
look
at
that?
Y
So
we
had
to
do
a
study
and
figure
out
how
much
it
actually
costs
us
to
produce
a
vital
record,
and
so
you
know
we're
not
we're
not
a
for
profit
by
any
means,
but
it
does
cost
money
for
everything
that
we
do
to
to
produce
a
record
and
so
I
I
I,
don't
know
I
I've
never
been
hey.
Let's
raise
fees,
kind
of
gal,
so
you're
gonna.
You
know
I'm
gonna
wear
one
on
that
one.
Y
But
if
you
want
to
raise
my
marriage
fees
I'm
fine
with
that,
like
I,
think
I
honestly
when
people
say
ten
dollars,
it
sounds
like
a
joke,
so
it
does
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
fish,
with
increasing
that
the
other
one
I
guess
that
I
I
would
not
have
a
problem.
Increasing
would
be
the
waiver,
the
three-day
waiver.
So
when
you
apply
for
a
marriage
license,
you
have
to
wait
three
days.
Y
M
I
mean
waivers
for
Vital.
Records
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
right
so
people
that
are
unable
to
pay
for
things
they'll
make
them
pay
for
it,
but
people
that
can
afford
it
to
go
from
10
to
20.
Have
those
people
pay
twenty
dollars
stuff
like
that
right?
If
that's
amenable
to
you
but
I,
think
we're
all
interested
as
our
book
comes
to
a
close,
at
least
for
me,
this
job's
gonna
get
real
boring
real,
quick
because
it's
gonna
be
a
bunch
of
I.T
stuff
and
the
sheriff
can
200
million
more
dollars
a
year.
S
Y
A
Y
Y
A
V
So
I
just
want
to
kind
of
go
over
a
couple
of
things
and
we'll
open
it
up
for
questions,
that'd
be
be
fine,
so
starting
out
we're
asking
for
14
new
positions
and
actually
upgrading
18
for
to
make
sure
we
have
a
good
career
path
for
everybody.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
our
system
is
going
to
be
as
good
as
it
is
now
as
long
as
we
can
keep
it
that
way-
and
this
is
part
of
what
we
have
to
do-
we've
been
expanding.
X
V
V
So
this
is
this
is
what
we're
doing
and
we've
we've
grown
significantly
since
I've
been
in
this
office,
one
of
the
most
important
things
was
taking
over
Pontiac,
so
we
had
to
dramatically
increase
our
our
staff
to
do
that
and
we're
doing
a
really
good
job,
bringing
them
back
up
to
where
they
need
to
be,
because
this
is
an
issue
we've
had
with
our
more
disadvantaged
communities
in
Oakland
County,
especially
Pontiac
and
Royal
Oak
Township.
Those
are,
the
ones
will
be
very
concentrating
on.
V
They
have
the
most
issues,
with
affordability
and
and
the
systems
they
run,
and
these
are
older
systems
both
in
Pontiac
these
days.
A
lot
of
it
dates
back
to
the
late
1800s
and
in
Royal
Oak
township
is
again
very
tiny
little
community,
so
anything
that
affects
that
Community
has
a
real
impact
on
the
ratepayers.
So
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
in
these
past
few
years
is
bringing
in
federal
and
state
money
and
that's
really
helped.
V
So
we
can
do
those
improvements
without
nailing
their
rates
to
the
point
where
they
can't
afford
them
anymore.
So
that's
one
of
those
things
that
we
really
concentrate
on
WE
we've
been
getting
in
the
past.
Last
year
we
got
grants
of
5
million
for
lead
replacement
in
Pontiac,
which
again
is
going
to
really
help
that
Community.
V
V
We
had
to
raise
rates
in
Pontiac,
but
when
we
get
these
outside
funds,
it
really
helps
mitigate
that.
So
that's
what
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
this
year,
we're
at
we're
applying
for
seven
and
a
half,
almost
eight
million
dollars
in
sewer
and
almost
30
million
dollars
in
water
just
for
Pontiac
and
for
Royal
Oak
Township,
almost
a
million
dollars
for
sewer
and
8.2
for
water,
8.2
million
for
water.
Again,
their
infrastructure
is
very
old
and
anytime
we
can
avoid
putting
money
on
their
rates.
It
really
helps
that
community.
V
So
again,
that's
that's
what
we're
doing
and
I'll
talk
about
them
in
a
minute
too,
about
affordability.
You
know
a
lot
of
what
we
need
to
do
is
inform
the
public.
Educating,
the
public
is
really
important
and
it's
not
just
the
general
public.
Most
people
really
don't
know
anything
about
how
these
systems
operate,
what
their
conditions
are
where
they
are.
You
know
unless
you
have
a
a
hole
forming
in
your
yard,
or
you
have
one
of
my
trucks
pull
up
to
your
your
house.
V
V
Almost
three
years
now,
we've
been
working
on
affordability,
I
I
started
a
regional,
basically
a
a
stakeholder
group
for
Pontiac
in
Royal
Oak
Township
way
back
in
December
of
2020,
when
we
recognized
that
we're
going
to
have
to
start
doing
shutoffs
again,
but
we
want
to
do
an
affordability
program,
so
we
could
really
limit
how
many
shutoffs
we
do
it's
it's.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
shut
off
anybody's
water,
especially
for
lack
of
payment,
because
it's
it's
unhealthy
for
the
family.
It's
unhealthy
for
people
that
they
deal
with.
V
If
their
kids
don't
have
good
sanitation,
they
can
get
sick,
they
can
take
their
stuff
to
school.
It
can
spread
through
the
community
that
way,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
to
make
sure
these
systems
are
sustainable
and
can
get
the
funding
they
need,
but
we're
not
hitting
the
right
pairs,
especially
the
people
who
can't
afford
the
water.
V
V
This
will
be
something
that
we'd
make
us
the
first
state
to
do
it
at
our
Oakland.
County
has
played
a
major
role
in
that
another
one
is
a
stormwater
utility
bill.
I've
described
this
before
right
now,
most
communities
just
spend
General
funds
or
tax
or
property
tax
funding
on
stormwater
and
there's
lawsuits
going
around.
There's
a
law
firm
that
goes
around
suing
communities
for
how
they
pay
for
this.
So
we
want
to
do.
V
We
want
to
clarify
this
legally
I've
been
working
on
this
for
literally
eight
years,
and
we
have
a
legislature
now,
that's
that's!
Actually
paying
attention
is
very
interested
in
doing
this.
Senator
bear
has
introduced,
is
introducing
legislation
again
in
the
next
month
or
so,
and
we've
been
working
and
again
on
a
broad
Coalition
of
groups,
including
the
mission
Municipal
League.
V
To
do
this
and,
in
my
mind,
we're
heading
in
a
very
good
direction
of
what
a
utility
does
is.
It
allows
a
community
to
charge
people
for
stormwater
by
how
much
they
produce
by
how
much
impervious
surfaces
they
have
on
their
property
once
that's
calculated
and
we
charge
them,
they
have
the
ability
to
limit
that
water,
leaving
their
systems
rain.
Gardens
rain
barrels
different
things
that
they
can
do
in
a
commercial.
They
can
do
bios
whales
and
parking
lots
instead
of
a
hump
in
the
parking
lot.
V
It's
a
dip
in
the
parking
lot,
so
water
can
get
in
there
and
infiltrate
before
it
gets
into
the
storm
drains.
So
it
offers
a
more
a
fairer
way
of
charging
for
for
what
we
do
for
stormwater
and
the
ability
to
mitigate
that,
so
you
might
not
have
to
pay
or
you
can
pay
a
reduced
amount
or
none
at
all.
If
you
can
limit
how
much
water
gets
off
your
of
your
lawn.
V
V
So
again,
this
is
something
we
want
to
do
to
prevent
pollution
prevent
future
flooding
in
large
storms
and
I.
Think
this
is
something
that
the
legislature
is
really
paying
attention
to
and
I
think
we
can
get
a
passage.
So
I
feel
good
about
that.
Just
recently,
we
gave
a
tour
of
the
Clinton
River
resource
recovery
facility
for
to
Senator,
Jeremy
moss
and
the
the
main
aid
for
representative
in
Pontiac
Brenda
Carter.
V
So
we
gave
him
a
tour
of
the
place
talked
about
the
really
new
technologies
we're
using
there.
We
are
now
extracting
much
more
of
methane
of
natural
gas
from
our
solids
in
the
system.
This
is
all
airtight,
so
none
of
it
leaks
it's
it's
allowing
us
to
use
this
methane
that
we're
taking
from
the
solids
we're
already
using
some
of
it
to
to
run
the
systems.
The
boilers
that
allow
this
to
work
and
we're
looking
to
do
as
much
as
we
can.
V
V
This
is
how
we
can
get
our
systems
much
more
sustainable
in
the
long
run,
so
we
talked
to
them
they're
very
interested
they're,
working
on
these
very
kind
of
things,
sustainable
energy
sources
and
then
Jeremy
Moss
suggested
that
we
might
be
able
to
work
with
them
to
to
get
some
grants
to
be
able
to
do
this
in
a
larger
scale.
So
we're
working
that
in
the
in
the
in
the
in
the
long
term.
I
think
this
is
something
we
really
need
to
be
working
on.
V
I've
said
it
before
that
my
industry
uses
about
four
percent
of
all
the
energy
electric
energy
used
in
this
in
the
country
to
move
and
treat
water
and
I'm
thinking
in
the
in
the
coming
years.
We
can
end
up
instead
of
using
that
much
we
can
produce
that
much
of
sustainably
and
and
renewably
so
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we'll
be
we'll
be
doing
for
a
long
time,
and
we
really
like
we're
going
to
be
working
with
with
your
administrators
to
to
have
you
guys,
come
tour.
V
The
place
too
we'd
really
like
you
to
do
that,
see
the
things
we're
working
on
and
the
potential
for
the
future.
So
well,
we
want
we're
going
to
be
inviting
you
to
do
that
in
the
near
future,
and
we
we
hope
you
guys
can
come
see
it,
because
it's
really
it's
important
work,
we're
doing
and
we're
we're
leading
the
state
in
the
country
and
how
we're
doing
this
in
the
Oakland
County.
So
I'm
really
proud
of
that,
and
it's
pretty
good
much
hit
for
me
any
questions
you
guys
are
we're
happy
today.
L
A
Those
of
you
who
know
me
know
that
I've
ripped
out
half
my
yard
turned
it
into
a
big
rain
Garden.
So
I
stand
in
there
this
morning,
looking
down
on
this
Garden,
where
I
used
to
have
probably
30
square
feet
of
a
puddle
that
wouldn't
disappear
for
hours,
there's
no
water
there,
because
it's
just
all
the
plants
and
in
my
neighbor's
yard,
there's
a
big
puddle
where
they
always
had
one
form
and
I
just
stood
there
thinking.
This
is
working
just
the
way
it's
supposed
to
do.
A
V
Right
right,
we're
doing
some.
You
know
real
new
technologies
that
I
think
they'll
be
adopting
over
time.
You
know,
I've
said
it
before
that
I
think
the
kind
of
things
we're
doing
every
system
will
be
doing
in
10
or
20
years,
because
it's
just
efficient,
then
it's
there's
an
investment,
but
the
payback
is
massive,
so
I
think
it's
something
that
we'll
be
we'll
be
doing
and
and
I
think
Oakland
County
has
been
taking
a
lead
in
that.
J
W
See
yeah
there's
the
top
ones
that
that
our
staff,
our
professional
staff,
are
members
of
the
American
Society
of
civil
engineers
on
the
water
environment
Federation,
which
is
an
international.
A
conglomerate
of
water
is
sewer
experts.
The
other
one
is
the
local
One,
Michigan
water
environment
Association.
W
It's
a
kind
of
rolls
up
into
the
the
Federation,
the
national
Federation,
but
it's
at
a
local
level,
then
the
other
one
a
lot
of
folks
are
involved
in
is
the
American
Water
Works
Association
and
in
fact
we
have
a
person
on
our
staff,
Carrie
Cox
she's.
Actually,
a
national
member
of
the
national
board
actually
receiving
award
in
the
Philadelphia
for
for
years
of
service
on
that
board
she
just
stepped
down,
so
we're
really
involved
in
the
on
the
national
scale.
W
J
AB
AB
Think,
let's
see,
we've
got
Royal
Oak,
Oak,
Park,
Birmingham,
Southfield
I
believe
something
it
is
the
fourth
community,
and
so
we're
Jim's
doing
some
some
Road
Show
on
that
and
he's
bringing
along
our
chief
engineer,
Lynn
Seymour
and
her
team
to
talk
about
that.
So
we're
we're
getting
it
up
and
running
and
we're
happy
to
kind
of
bring
back
a
report
on
that
for
you,
if
you,
if
you'd
like,
especially
if
it
affects
your
particular
Community
I,
think
it'd
be
good
for
us
to
keep
in
touch
with
you.
I.
AC
AB
Lynn
Seymour
did
reach
out
to
you
with
with
an
email
kind
of
talking
a
little
bit
about
it.
Where
we
were
a
few
months
ago.
Yeah
we
expect
I
mean
it's:
it's
going
to
be
I'm
going
throughout
the
year
and
into
next
year
as
well.
Okay,
it
includes
you're
right
rain,
barrels,
trees
and
rain
Gardens.
Yes,.
J
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
Oak,
Park
I'm
glad
to
hear
Southfield
I'm
sure
other
Commissioners
probably
want
to
know
where
their
their
communities
stand
and
then
just
with
everybody
like
if
you're
doing
something
in
our
districts.
Please
please
please
of
course
give
us
the
word
we'd
love
to
be
your
Ambassador.
You
know
because
oftentimes
we
hear
about
it
kind
of
late
yeah
and
then
we're
not
able
to
be
as
helpful
and.
AB
And
I
did
mention
the
pilot.
Our
our
idea
is
to
take
this
throughout
the
whole
gwk
and
then
beyond
into
the
rest
of
Oakland
County
and
then
include
parts
that
reach
into
some
cogs
as
a
partner
on
this,
as
well
as
the
Clinton
River
Washington,
Council,
friends,
the
Rouge.
Okay,
that
sounds
great
yeah.
V
V
Will
be
a
very,
very
educational
part
of
that
too,
because
people
when
they
find
out
about
this
and
I
always
say
it's
just
a
bunch
of
little
gardens
all
over
yeah.
It
doesn't
like
that.
It's
a
good
place,
making
kind
of
thing.
So
people
recognize
that
there's
good,
there's
good
stewardship,
going
on
and
and
it's
just
attractive,
very
aesthetic,
so
I
I,
like
the
idea
of
this
and
I,
think
it's
something
that
can
really
go
and
and
because,
when
we're
educating
people,
no
there's
always
a
follow-up.
V
And
you
know
we
do
a
a
thing:
educational
thing
for
people
who
live
on
preparing
land
on
a
lake
or
a
river
to
put
in
bioswales,
which
is
that
same
kind
of
green
infrastructure
that
that
stops
for
the
fertilizer
from
getting
into
the
Laker
stream,
which
causes
algae
and
can
cause
Beach
closes
and
all
that
stuff.
So,
whether
it's
Urban
or
or
more
in
you
know,
Suburban
or
or
rural,
where
there's
Lakes,
there's
all
different
applications
to
this
and
more
and
more
communities
are
recognizing
that
and
getting
involved.
V
G
Chair,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you
for
all
the
great
work
you're
continuing
to
do
it's
great
to
see
you
as
always,
Brian,
I'm,
glad
you're
back
I
thought
we
scared
you
off
with
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
So
I'm
definitely
glad
you're
back
here
with
us
just
to
piggyback
off
commissioner
Smith
Charles.
That
pilot
program
is
there.
AB
Don't
know
that
this
phase
would
be
a
good
time
for
other
communities
to
jump
on.
Okay,
we
want
to
roll
the
set
as
a
pilot
and
see
how
we
go
with
the
funding
and
see
what
the
interest
is
and
how
the
collaboration
coordination
is
going
to
be
not
only
with
the
communities
but
with
the
the
a
lot
of
councils
as
well.
So
it's
it
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
heavy
lift,
getting
it
off
the
ground.
G
V
This
is
a
pilot,
that's
funded
through
the
gwk,
so
it's
only
the
communities
that
are
part
of
that
in
the
initial
pilot
and
said
I
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
way
of
demonstrating
the
effectiveness
of
us
and
even
in
systems
that
we
might
not
directly
be
involved.
Some
of
these
communities
might
take
that
on
their
own
and
start
that
kind
of
program
for
themselves.
So
I
think
it's
a
great
example.
V
AB
I
just
wanted
one
thing
too:
what
what's
burned
some
of
this
is
we
Bob
Grant
from
semcog
to
start
a
code
audit
program
where
we
audit,
we
helped
audit
the
codes,
zoning
codes
within
the
gwk
communities
to
sort
of
lit
the
barriers
to
Green
infrastructure
and
help
those
communities,
rearrange
their
codes
or
add
new
language.
That
would
do
that.
So
that's
how
this
sort
of
started
that
was
the
initiation
and
then
it
just
has
grown,
got.
G
It
that
helps
thank
you
yep.
So
my
question
is
our
first
one
is.
It
sounds
like
the
of
your
entire
budget.
Can
we
try
to
ask
you
mentioned
only
it's
like
one
to
one
to
two
percent,
it's
coming
from
the
general
fund,
so
it's
largely
an
Enterprise
situation.
It
sounds
like
you're
self-sustaining,
which
is
awesome.
It
means
less
work
for
us
I.
V
They
all
recognize
that
there's
issues
that
that
they
have
to
make
sure
they're
they're,
addressing
with
climate
change
being
much
more
large
storms
coming
everybody
recognizing
we've
got
to
be,
we
got,
we
got
to
be
more
resilient
to
that
and
we
have
to
build
our
systems
so
that
less
goes
into
the
storm
water
drains
and
stays
on
the
surface,
so
it
can
absorb.
So
we
have
less
pollution
going
into
the
into
the
lake
rivers
and
streams,
and
we
reduce
the
possibility
of
major
flooding
in
a
big
storm.
V
So
as
we
do,
that
I
think
it's
it's
really
incumbent
on
on
all
of
us,
whether
it's
my
office
or
the
below
the
board,
to
to
understand
and
help
do
that,
so
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we,
you
guys,
are
getting
what
you
need
information
you
need
and
and
that
we
can
work
together
on
all
this
I
mean
that's
the
most
important
thing
we
can
do
right
now.
Okay,.
G
N
G
G
W
N
G
N
G
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V
Because
Great
Lakes
water
authority,
whether
it's
it's
you
know
drinking
water
or
or
actually,
treatment
of
our
waste,
it's
about
80
or
more
percent
of
of
every
community's
budget.
So
ours
is
a
much
smaller
share
of
that
and
then,
of
course,
they
all
have
all
their
own
Capital
that
they
do.
We
do
operation
maintenance
for
17
communities
so,
but
in
terms
of
how
much
we
affect
each
Community
by
what
our
our
office
of
charges
is
very
small
compared
to
what
the
actual
you
know,
utilities
pay.
Okay,.
G
V
Right
well
like,
like
we
said
with
this
green
infrastructure
of
brand,
it's
I'm
sorry
refunds,
it's
within
that
system,
so
you
can't
do
that
outside
that
system.
Only
within
each
system.
Other
systems
could
do
what
communities
could
do
it
themselves,
but
we
can't
like
take
money
from
one
and
put
it
to
another.
That's
that's
what
you
mean
yeah
all
right.
Thank.
D
O
From
the
in
regards
to
the
Macomb
drain
and
all
that
stuff,
how
is
that
going?
You
may
have
spoke
on
it,
but
I
was
out.
How
is
that
going
and
I
heard
that
it
takes
it?
It
could
cost
a
lot
of
money
for
us
to
get
control
of
that
situation.
I
know
our
waste.
That's
going
into
that.
Waterway
is
under
the
alerted
amount
that
is
allowed
for
us,
but
do
we
have
any
plans
or
anything
to
fix
their
future
lives.
V
V
V
That
eagle
told
them
that's
right,
violation
that
they're
aware
of,
and
so
you
can
make
all
kinds
of
claims
if,
if
it's
not
backed
up
with
any
kind
of
fact,
it's
kind
of
meaningless,
we
we
are
working
with
Macomb
County,
these
they're
they're,
getting
a
study
done
by
the
U.S
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
kind
of
looking
at
the
whole
region
there
and
they're
going
to
find
in
our
minds
the
same
thing
everybody
else
is
fine.
Is
that
we're
not
polluting
Lake
Sinclair?
V
First
of
all,
97
of
the
water
that
comes
into
Lake
Sinclair
is
comes
to
Lakes,
the
Sinclair
river,
which
is
known
to
be
a
source
of
significant
pollution.
Three
percent
of
the
all
the
water
that
goes
to
the
Lake
Sinclair.
It
comes
from
the
Watershed
itself,
and
our
facility
is
about
1
100th
of
one
percent
of
the
flow
of
the
re
of
the.
So
what
we
put
into
that
lake
is
such
a
tiny,
tiny
minority
of
what
goes
into
that
Lake.
V
We
couldn't
possibly
have
any
significant
impact
on
pollution,
and,
if
it
was
it
would
be,
there
would
be
pollution
all
down
that
drain
to
the
lake
and
there's
never
been
found
any
significant
amount
of
pollution.
That's
coming
from
our
facility.
A
lot
comes
from
the
drains
in
Macomb
County,
but
from
our
facility.
We
have
extremely
good
record
of
what
we
put
out
and
it's
it's
never
really
been.
We've
never
really
had
any
significant
violation
from
the
state.
So
it's
it's.
We
do
great
work.
My
folks
do
really
amazing
work.
E
X
O
O
You,
my
second
part
question
is
I
just
wanted
to
know
and
it
could
be
offline,
and
if
you
want
me
to
just
contact
you,
that's
fine,
how
did
the
water
assistance,
because
I
know
y'all
referenced
it,
but
how
did
that
program
go
in
helping
the
different
communities
that
we
were
working
to
assist
in
that?
How
is
that
going?
Well.
V
We're
starting
the
process
we
we
United
Way
is
now
running
the
the
program
that
gets.
You
know
the
water
affordability
people
signed
up
to
it
and
it's
dramatically
improved,
so
I
can't
give
you
the
numbers
on
top
of
my
head:
I
can
I
could
definitely
get
them
to
you,
but
it's
been
a
significant
Improvement.
We
were
having.
O
Them
so
what
I
want
to
do
also
is
commend
our
staff,
your
staff,
thank
you.
They
did
go
in
the
communities,
they
did
work
at
some
of
the
agencies,
partner
with
them
sat
at
some
of
the
locations.
Viewed
if
it
was
our
staff
or
United
Way,
but
they
did
Water
Resource
did
a
different
thing
and
they
did
partner
with
United
Way
To
Go
in
the
communities
and
that's
how
we
were
able
to
do
a
more
referral
back
in
getting
people
to
know
about
these
programs.
V
We
did
a
couple
town
halls
and
we're
planning
on
a
couple
more
coming
up
from
near
just
to
educate
folks.
We
want
this
stuff.
Is
there
part
of
what
we're
doing
when
we're
you
know?
Traditionally
we
set
out
shut
off
notices
if
they
didn't
get
to
it,
if
they
hadn't
paid
for
a
certain
amount
of
time,
but
now
nowadays
we're
putting
out
not
just
a
a
notice,
but
we're
saying
look,
there's
all
these
resources.
You
can
apply
for
and
there's
we're
giving
them
information
to
contact
them.
V
We're
actually
going
to
these
groups
and
saying
look.
We
have
numbers
for
people
to
be
called
so
we're
doing
as
much
as
we
can
to
make
sure
they
understand
that
there's
a
resources
available
and
the
resources
are
getting
better
at
getting
reaching
the
publics.
So
that's
what
we
want
to
do
in
the
long
term.
Thank
you.
M
V
The
one
thing
that
I
had
forgotten
to
mention
that
our
hardship
program,
I
think,
is
really
important
because
it
helps
people
who
don't
qualify
under
the
much
more
stringent
arpa
program
or
the
other
things,
but
people
have
access.
People
have
illnesses,
people
have
fires,
involvement,
there's
lots
of
reasons
why
people
might
have
a
short-term
issue,
and
previously,
when
they
had
a
short-term
Mission,
they
they'd
be
accumulating
in
a
of
old
bills.
This
way
we
can
at
least
for
a
few
months,
help
them,
so
they
won't
start
that
accumulation
the
better.
V
M
Also,
there
was
a
thing,
and
this
might
be
too
much
inside
baseball
for
you
all
unless
you
know
this
term
when
I
say
it,
but
when
we
were
talking
in
the
committee
a
couple
months
ago,
someone
came
as
part
of
the
deficit
elimination
plan.
You
have
to
write
when
you
balance
the
books
or
whatever
and
they'd
included
a
revolving
Loan
Fund
focused
on
water
I.
Never
heard
of
that
and
I
asked
some
folks
about
it
and
other
folks,
and
they
said
they
think
it's
a
water
thing.
W
You
know
what
this
is:
yeah,
that's
a
a
project
from
years
ago.
I
believe
it
was
a
loan
for
me,
it
was
revolving
on
to
construct
a
dam
on
Bush,
Lake,
yeah
and
so
a
deficit
fund
for
whatever
reason,
another
topic
of
discussion
but
I
think,
while
we're
going
through
the
process
to
eliminate
that,
that's
it
that's
why
we
reported
out
to
the
state
I,
don't
think
it
involved.
Water
systems
never
heard
about
going
for
water
systems,
but
Bush
Lake
or
lake
Improvement
board,
or
even
a
drain,
there's
a
loan
for
one
of
our
drains.
W
It's
not
in
deficit.
That's
probably
why?
Because
so
on
occasion
we
do
projects
we'll
come
to
the
board
and
ask
for
a
revolving
fund,
we're
very
few
and
far
between
but
I
think
that
might
be
what
you're,
referring
to
with
the
300
000
matches
up
to
Bush
Lake
from
the
revolving
fund,
and
it
wasn't
on
the
deficit,
elimination,
still
some
money
owed.
M
W
M
M
W
M
AC
C
W
W
Item
you're,
referring
to
is
a
reimbursement,
lineup,
there's
a
line
of
line
numbers
above
it
called
it's
like
an
overhead
or
Administration
line
item
and
it's
a
positive
four
million
so
that
particular
fund.
It's
actually
reimbursed
out
of
its
own
line
item,
and
there
are
other
funds,
are
also
reimbursed
out
of
that
line.
Item
for
our
drain
maintenance
work
for
our
sewage,
Disposal
Systems.
So
it's
basically
a
line
item
used
to
reimburse
out
for
allocations
across
the
board
for
a
lot
of
the
programs.
We
have
safety
programs.
N
M
Great
thanks
and
then
my
last
question
was
just
because
you
were
mentioning
commissioner
Nashville.
These
Investments
you'd
want
to
make
to
then
generate
Revenue
I
mean
you
know.
What's
the
30
000th
view
of
what
that
looks
like?
Is
it
a
huge
Bond
or
something
to
build
a
cool
Dam
to
make
the
water
you.
V
Know
well,
what's
it
look
like
right
now
we're
working
in
in
Pontiac
at
the
Clinton
River
water
resource
recovery
facility?
There's
a
there's,
a
bunch
of
different
things
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
bring
up
the
quality
of
a
bunch
of
of
electronic
stuff
that
needs
to
be
replaced.
It's
been
a
long
time.
There's
some
issues
with
a
flood
plain
that
we
have
to
make
sure
all
our
stuff
is
off
that
we're
doing
a
one
of
some
of
the
other
projects
we're
doing
there.
Yeah
I
think
the
cable.
W
Tour
that
you
say
you're
available,
oh
I'm,
thinking
of
the
previous
tour
that
you
hosted,
we
gave
a
Layman's
description
of
not
only
what
we're
doing,
but
what
does
the
future
hold
and
how
could
the
our
little
plant,
our
own
backyard,
really
take
advantage
of
this
technology,
but
the
project
that's
immediately
coming
up
that
we
just
took
just
received
bids
for
through
the
drainage,
District
we're
doing
the
electrical
system,
improvements,
30,
40,
plus
million
dollar
type
projects,
we're
chasing
grants
for
that
type
of
stuff.
So
we're.
W
Facility
from
100
years
you
know
technology
up
to
state
of
the
art
and
so
we're
doing
a
project
about
a
project
at
a
time.
But
as
we
do
these
we're
preparing
for
this
new
technology
to
really
get
that
sustainability
element
out
of
that
plant.
So
we're
trying
to
plan
ahead
for
the
recovery
of
the
energy
that
Europe
does
a
lot
of
this
already
and
we're
trying
to
bring
that
technology
here,
because
I
did
in
our
own
backyard.
So
one.
V
Of
the
newest
part
of
that
of
the
Clinton
River
Watershed
recovery
facility,
I
didn't
remember
what
the
water
recovery
facility
is
the
thp
thermal
hydrolysis
process
that
we
we
added
back.
We
actually
opened
it
up
in
the
fall
of
2020
that
takes
those
solids
and
basically
pressure
Cooks
them
to
break
down
the
cell
walls,
so
they
can
be
processed
and
pulled
the
methane
out
of
them.
V
Now
we're
we're
catching
it
we're
using
it
instead
of
instead
of
letting
it
get
out
we're
looking
at
a
new
process
that
would
that
would
go
even
further.
There's
a
actually
a
bacteria
that
comes
out
of
Russia
that
can
only
survive
at
200
degrees
or
higher,
but
it's
really
good
at
eating
anything,
and
in
fact
you
know
one
of
the
big
things
they
said
over
the
years
was
you
know
we
make
fuel
out
of
corn,
but
we
can't
make
it
out
of
corn
stalks.
This
stuff
will
eat
corn
stocks.
V
This
stuff
will
eat
paper,
it'll,
eat,
cardboard,
it'll,
be
anything
and
there's
potential
that
we
could
use
this
to
to
even
way
more
efficiently
use
eat
those
solids
and
turn
them
into
methane.
So
we'll
we'll
put
way
less
as
as
waste
we'll
get
way
more
energy
out
of
it
and
all
of
its
you
know,
won't
leak
and
it's
and
it's
basically
forever
because
we'll
always
be
producing
this
stuff.
So
the
long
run
I
think
there's
a
lot
there's
more.
We
can
do
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
those
grants.
V
We
can't
do
it
because
it
would
hit
the
rate
payers.
Steve
mentioned
the
electronic
stuff.
We
got
11
million
Grant
from
the
state
police.
That
is
meant
to
stop
problems
just
like
that.
So
that's
going
to
be
going
towards
that
project,
which
is
again
saves
that
the
community's
a
bunch
of
money
and
I
think
I've
spoken
this
before
the
the
federal
dollars
40
is
supposed
to
go
to
underserved
communities.
V
The
way
the
state
has
set
things
up
Pontiac,
since
it
is
part
of
a
larger
system,
you
can't
get
that
100
forgiveness
we're
trying
to
get
them
to
change
their
minds.
We've
talked
to
the
state
to
the
governor's
office
and
the
legislature.
They've
both
been
very
positive
about
that
that
we
we
want
to
get.
We
should
get
100
forgiveness
for
the
communities
that
really
can't
afford
it
10
for
the
other
ones
who
can,
but
they
also
are
already
getting
because
now
pontiac's
only
getting
10
rebate.
We
should
get
100.
V
M
We've
got
to
make
sure
we
don't
give
us
some
context
for
that
and
then
I'm
done
with
questions.
But
can
you
give
us
some
context
for
that,
because
I
think
you
all
three
mentioned
that
to
me
when
you
were
talking
about,
you
got
State
revolving
fund
Grant
of
X
of
3.8
million
dollars
for
38
million
dollars
for
the
Pontiac
treatment
plan.
V
M
M
Bill
for
improving
the
water
resource
recovery
facility
in
Pontiac
would
have
been
eligible
for
getting
38
million
dollars
reimbursed,
but
instead
because
there's
like
five
more
people
in
the
district
that
make
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
when
they
redid
the
district
lines.
However,
many
years
ago,
they
only
got
3.8
million
dollars
as
a
forgivable
loan,
so
35
million
dollars
has
to
go
to
the
rate
payers,
but
that's
20,
000
Pontiac
households
and
then
like
10
000,
non
Pontiac,
households
and.
M
M
W
V
Trying
to
ask
the
governor
for
a
favor
yeah
trying
to
change
the
rules.
Yeah,
the
the
governor's
environmental
justice
coordinator,
really
understands
it
against
Senator
Moss.
We
had
a
long
conversation
with
him.
He
gets
it
he's
working
on.
He
says
he's
already
trying
to
look
at
it
legislatively
so
I
think
would
be
the
best
and-
and
we
do
save
everybody
saves
money.
When
we
do
things
in
a
larger
group,
we
just
got
to
make
sure
that's
a
poorer
communities.
M
V
A
lot
of
the
federal
money
comes
through
this
state
programs,
virtually
all
the
money
that
came
through
the
infrastructure,
Bill
and
then
the
coveted
Bill,
those
all
came
through
the
states-
and
you
know
for
like
a
year
and
a
half
of
that
first,
one
to
be
finally
sent
but
they've
been
much
more
responsive
now,
so
I
think
we're
in
a
good
place
right
there
and
we're
looking
to
this.
This
funding
should
be
the
next
three
or
four
years,
at
least
so
we're
looking
to
make
sure
it's
spent
right.
Okay,.
V
AC
V
It's
it's
sewer
solids
that
have
been
treated
to
the
point.
You
know
it
used
to
be
a
lot
of
our
sewer.
Salads
were
Class
B,
which
means
they
were
toxic.
You
couldn't
touch
them.
You
had.
If
you
put
them
on
a
field,
you
had
to
wait
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
do
anything.
This
is
basically
fertilizer
I
mean
when
you
it's
chunky,
a
little
wetter
than
most
fertilizer
get
in
the
store,
but
it
really
looks
like
fertilizer
and
I've
actually
used
it.
V
I
built
a
couple
of
rain
guards
in
my
house
and
I
use
it
in
part
of
the
soil
amendment.
So
to
me,
this
is
something
the
weight
of
what
we
have
to
dispose
of
is
a
fractionable.
It
used
to
be
my
my
manager
in
charge
of
that
mentioned
that
it
used
to
be
about
1.4
million,
a
1.4
million
dollars
a
year
just
to
dispose
every
year
from
that
plant.
We've
shrunk
it
to
about
less
than
700
000
a
year
less
than
half
and
we're
going
to
be
progressing
more
from
there.
V
So
I
think
we'll
be
we'll
dramatically
be
reducing
the
amount
that
we
produce
and
the
costs
of
Road
of
disposing
of
it
are
dramatically
driving.
So
that's
again
ever
everything
we
do
translates
to
savings
to
the
communities
we're
serving
with
this.
All
of
this
helps
save
money
and
and
the
climate
are
you.
N
V
V
Think
that's
quite
a
possibility.
I
mean
we
could
take
it
to
Parks.
I
could
use
it
for
landscaping.
Fmno
can
use
it
for
their
Landscaping.
There's
lots
of
potential
uses
for
it
right.
This
is
a
this.
Is
a
good
deal
for
us
right
now,
so
it
sounds
financially.
It's
really
helping
that
system
and
all
the
communities
in
service.
So
it's
whatever
best
serves
the
people.
That's
what
we're
going
to
go
for.
V
Manure,
they
got
an
anaerobic
digesters
before
the
pandemic.
Just
before
that
they
gave
me
a
tour
of
the
place,
and
so
they
they
do
anaerobic
digestion,
which
is
what
we
do
with
the
plant
that
we,
our
system
has
improved
it.
Just
basically,
it's
bugs
eat
it
without
oxygen
and
that's
what
it
produces
methane
and
it
and
it
way
shrinks
how
much
they
have
to
dispose
of
okay.
V
G
V
Learning
we
actually
did
a
a
pilot
program
for
that
college.
Forty
three
four
years
ago,
now
right
where
they
came
and
they
put
a
little
mobile
home
up
there
and
pulled
some
of
our
stuff
off
and
processed
it.
That
way,
and
it
was
a
huge
success
and
actually,
when
some
of
my
folks
mentioned
it
to
at
one
of
these
conferences,
we
go
to
some
folks
from
from
Denmark
said:
hey
we'll
pay
for
you
to
come
and
look
at
our
stuff
and
they,
oh
four
of
you,
guys
win.
Four.
V
A
Yeah
I
visited
a
plant
in
Germany
same
thing
and
they
actually
were
processing
corn
silage.
You
know
the
leftover
corn,
so
they
had
a
deal
with
all
the
local
farmers
that
they
could
bring
their
corn
silage
at
the
end
of
the
season.
Dump
it
at
the
plant,
the
plant
just
processed
it
all
winter
long
and
in
the
spring
the
same
trucks
came
back
and
they
loaded
them
up
with
fertilizer
and
off.
They
went
so
for
the
salt
and
they
powered
from
the
methane.
They
powered
all
of
the
public
buildings.
A
In
this
little
village,
which
was
the
school,
the
township
building
you
know
like
four
or
five
public
buildings
were
all
powered
on
the
methane
that
they
were
generating
and
it
was
seven
miles
away
from
the
plant.
It
was
an
amazing
and
it
was
a
little
town.
This
was
not
you
know,
Detroit
or
even
Pontiac.
This
was
a.
This
was
a
little
community
of
you,
know,
20
000
people
and
yeah.
They
had
against
the
future.