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B
All
in
favor
aye
opposed
public
comment.
Is
there
anybody
here
that
wishes
to
come
before
the
finance
committee
class
between
once
twice
a
couple
comment
is
closed
Communications.
So,
let's
move
on
to
item
6A
resolutions
fiscal
year,
2023
second
quarter,
Financial,
forecast
and
budget
amendments
I
need
a
motion,
no
movement,
commissioner
wiper
supported
by
commissioner
Charles,
all
right.
The.
C
Floor
is
yours
good
afternoon
first,
you
know
I'd
just
like
to
thank
the
chair
and
the
members
for
making
themselves
available
for
a
special
meeting.
The
this
item
took
a
few
extra
days,
but
is
important
to
get
adopted
a
different
timing
basis,
so
the
second
quarter
forecast,
as
described
in
the
governmental
I,
mean
we're
basically
right
on
Target
in
terms
of
the
budget,
and
you
know
not
using
more
fund
balance
than
have
been
anticipated.
C
That's
a
combination
of
being
slightly
down
on
revenues,
but
then
also
slightly
down
on
expenditures
on
the
revenue
side.
We're
forecasting
that
final
revenues
for
this
fiscal
year
will
be
about
four
million
dollars
lower
than
had
been
budgeted.
The
largest
factor
there
is
with
charges
for
services
across
a
few
departments,
but
the
largest
amount
is
the
district
court
at
3.4
million
dollars,
which
the
court
is
indicating
as
a
function
of
having
you
know,
fewer
cases
that
involve
fines,
costs.
B
C
On
the
expenditure
side,
you
know
we
always
budget
for
a
certain
level
of
favorability
that
that
number
is
about
18
million
dollars
between
personnel
and
operating
costs.
We're
currently
forecasting
that
will
actually
come
at
about
22
million
dollars
lower.
C
So
that's
that
difference
of
four
million
dollars
of
expenditure
favorability,
which
offsets
the
revenue
side.
You
know
this
is
spread
across
you
know.
Basically,
all
departments
we
always
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
certain
level
of
turnover
and
positions,
and
so
forth
and
departments
continue
to
manage
their
budgets
prudently.
The
two
departments
I
would
know
that
we're
currently
forecasting
to
be
over
expenditure
at
the
department
total
level
at
the
end
of
the
year
for
first
the
sheriff's
office,
or
we
have
a
forecast
of
about
750
000.
C
That's
the
result
of
higher
overtime
costs
than
had
been
anticipated
and
budgeted.
There's
a
few
reasons
for
that.
You
know
that
the
Sheriff's
Office
can
probably
speak
to
in
more
detail,
but
they've
assured
me.
At
least
you
know
that
they're
they're
they're
on
a
track.
You
know
to
fill
positions
full-time,
hopefully
avoid
this
level
of
overtime
in
future
years.
C
So
we
will
continue
to
monitor
that
as
we
get
closer
to
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
and
make
any
recommendation
on
you
know
on
an
adjustment
to
the
budget
that
might
be
needed.
The
second
is
smaller
at
two
hundred
thousand
and
Emergency
Management
and
Homeland
Security
Department.
That's
simply
a
timing
issue
that
the
way
the
FEMA
process
works.
We
have
to
spend
the
dollars
up
front
and
then
it
takes
a
number
of
months
for
poor
female
reimburses.
So
there's
not
that's
not
really
an
overspending
issue.
C
You
know
in
terms
of
planned
use
of
fund
balance,
the
current
budget
assumes
66
million
dollars
in
planned
use
of
fund
balance.
That's
really
the
result
of
two
things.
One
is
the
rafaeli
settlement
which
came
before
this
committee
and
was
approved,
and
then
two
is
about
20
million
dollars
and
carry
forwards
and
encumbrances
that
were
approved
by
this
committee
for
departments
to
finish
one-time
projects
or
purchases.
C
So
we're
currently
forecasting
that
the
general
fund
balance
at
the
end
of
FY
23
will
be
about
195
million
dollars,
which
is
about
to
39
of
our
general
fund
balance
one.
You
know
there
are
a
number
of
sort
of
technical
cleanup.
The
budget
amendments
where
you
know
Grant
funds
have
been
received
after
the
fact
of
the
resolution
or
or
there
were,
resolutions
moved
that
didn't
have
a
budget
amendment
at
the
time.
C
One
large
amendment
that
you
may
have
noticed
that
I
should
make
sure
is
clear
for
the
39.8
million
dollars
in
costs
related
to
the
rafaeli
settlements.
Our
independent
Auditors
advised
us
that,
even
though
those
funds
were
appropriated
in
FY
2023,
they
should
actually
be
recorded
as
FY
2022
expenditures,
because
it
was
a
known
liability
at
the
time
that
fiscal
year
2022
ended
so
I
think
I
previously
on
the
committee.
C
C
So
no
real
change
in
terms
of
the
substance
of
that
you
know
it's
just
following
accounting
as
practices,
so
those
are
short,
but
you
know
that's
the
high
level
overview.
C
The
last
thing
I
would
mention
is
that
you
know,
with
the
with
the
fund
balance
being
lower
than
had
been
originally
projected
for
fiscal
year.
2022
we're
also
making
adjustments
to
the
fund
balance
assignments
here
as
a
recommendation
to
you
to
get
those
assignments
back
within
the
228
220.8
million.
C
The
big
chunk
of
that
is
rafaeli,
which
we
had
a
fund
balance
assignment
for,
and
then
we
previously
discussed
that
you
know
there
are
these
market
value
adjustments
to
our
cash
Holdings,
which
are
really
only
sort
of
a
paper
loss,
so
those
funds
will
will
be
gained
back
into
the
fund
balance
over
the
next
couple
years
as
those
Investments
are
held
insurance.
So
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about.
C
So
the
largest
portion
is
the
38
million
dollars
for
the
me.
You
know
for
the
primary
settlement.
Those
funds
have
all
been
transferred
to
the
third
party
administrator,
so
they
are
fully
expended
from
our
you
know
from
our
perspective
as
the
as
the
books
stand
right
now
under
the
terms
of
the
settlement,
if
there
are
funds
that
are
not
claimed
at
the
end
of
the
process,
and
and
actually
you
know,
all
claims
had
to
be
made
by
a
May
deadline,
I
think
those
funds
are
eventually
returned
to
the
county.
C
D
Which
will
happen?
You
know
some
number
of
months
down
the
line
once
I
mean
once
all
the
paperwork
is
settled
and
there's
still
pending
lawsuits
or
is
it
all
the
lawsuits
have
been
resolved.
E
Attorney
here
so
I'm
trying
to
I
can
speak
to
it.
Okay,
so
I
mean
you
talked
about
the
big
chunk,
the
raphaeli
case.
That
is
settled,
and
then
there
were
other
cases
that
had
opted
out
of
that
class
because
there
was
a
large
they
thought
they
could
get
a
bigger
chunk
and
not
have
the
rafaeli
class
action.
Lawsuit
lawyers
take
into
their
money
and
those
we
enter
into
agreement
for
all
of
those,
and
so
I
mean
I'm,
not
aware
of
anything.
E
If
there
are
any
pending
there,
I
mean
we're
talking
the
individuals
relatively
small
number
amount.
If
they're
outside
of
that
space,
But
I,
believe
I
mean
we
approved
settling
and
addressing,
and
it
wasn't
a
large
number
of,
certainly
maybe
it
was
60
total
cases
that
was
and
the
terms.
C
E
E
B
Thank
you,
okay,
commissioner.
Charles.
F
Thank
you,
Kyle
real
quick.
What
is
the
difference
between
schedule,
a
schedule
B.
F
And
while
you're
finding
that,
maybe
it's
more
so
for
the
Commissioners
but.
F
Budget
and
then
we
get
this
big
super
binder
and
I'm
just
curious.
How
do
all
of
those
things
relate
to
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
it
says
that
there
are
legal
reasons
why
you're
before
us
today,
like
quarterly
something
in
the
language
that
you
spoke
about
so
I'm
just
curious.
Is
this
a
narrative
to
update
what
we've
already
gotten?
That's
been
printed
and
it's
in
the
binder,
and
we
kind
of
use
this
as
a
the
most
latest
and
greatest
exactly.
C
This
is
this:
is
the
process
to
do
two
things?
One
is
to
make
sure
that
everything's
on
track
in
terms
of
both
revenues
and
expenditures,
which
is
the
piece
that's
required
by
state
law
that
every
local
government
do,
and
then
you
know
the
Amendments
you're
seeing
are
things
where
the
budget
needs
to
be
cleaned
up
for
one
reason
or
another.
C
F
B
E
I
think
it's
a
great
question:
I
mean
the
Amendments
and
adjustments.
Some
of
it
are
adjustments,
because
we've
decided
to
move
some
resources
to
accomplish
certain
things
through
the
resolutions
that
we've
adopted
in
the
last
few
months
and
it's
being
reflected
to
them
to
amend
that
budget
to
taking
those
those
actions
into
consideration.
So
it's
kind
of
like
the
budget's
a
living
document
and
we're
making
the
adjustments
accordingly
from
a
budget
I
mean
perspective
and
I'm
just
I
mean
this
is
related
to
a
question.
E
I
was
asked
because
I
think
directly
pointed
to
what
that
what
you're
you're
asking
about
is
like
overtime
I
mean
the
sheriff's
budget
has
always
had
overtime
issues
and
we've
known
that
there's
been
a
long
stand.
I
mean
a
challenge
to
fill
bacon
positions,
not
just
the
sheriff's
office
here,
but
law
enforcement
rank
broadly.
This
is
750
000.
I've
seen
some
sort
of
iteration
of
this,
almost
like
every
quarter
is
out
for
20
years.
I
mean
just
I
mean.
Maybe
not.
E
This
is
a
little
bit
larger
for
a
quarter
I
think
than
sometimes
that
was
the
number
for
the
year.
That's
the
projected
full
year
and
that's
a
project:
that's
okay,
that
is
a
projective
for
you,
okay,
to
make
those
adjustments
so
from
a
budget
perspective
that
I
think
is
an
appropriate
to
say.
Are
we
accurately
reflecting
what
we
anticipate
over
time
based
on
our
past
experience?
What
has
changed?
E
I
have
anecdotal
information
that
we've
got.
We've
filled
a
lot
of
vacancies,
we
put
them
in
training.
So
while
we
have
more
officers
on
the
payroll
they're
going
through
training
and
they're,
not
necessarily
on
the
streets,
and
so
we're
still
going
to
have
to
we're
relying
on
overtime
to
how
do
you
feel
the
bacon
stuff?
E
That's
been
out
there,
so
I've
been
asking
those
questions
because,
like
how
do
we
make
certain
that
that,
like
big
overtime
and
I,
wouldn't
say
it's
probably
not
just
here,
I
would
look
at
Children's
Village,
particularly
any
24
operation,
where
it's
been
a
challenge
to
fill
those
positions.
I
think
that's
part
of
the
conversation
in
the
upcoming
budget.
Like
does
this
budget
anticipate
that
and
asking
directors
of
those
departments?
What
is
your
your
strategy
to
I
mean?
E
Have
we
are
we
using
over
I
mean
just
using
this
as
an
example
we're
using
over
time
as
a
way
to
continue
to
perform
these
operations
permanently,
or
is
this
I
mean?
Are
we
going
to
get
to
a
point
in
which
we
have
to
rely
on
it
on
a
more
limited
basis
and
have
said
money
set
aside
to
accomplish
that?
And
what
are
those
and
those
are
I
think
are
the
appropriate
questions
for
departments
adds
to
I
mean,
have
a
dialogue
with
the
board
and
are
we?
E
Is
our
budget
because
and
under
Kyle's
I
mean
team
and
everything
I
think
is
doing
a
very
good
job
in
this
kind
of
Truth?
And
budgeting
like
this
is
what
our
money
coming
in
is,
and
this
is
how
we're
using
it
and
when
we're
at
the
end,
we
should
be
as
close
to
zero
as
possible
and
we
have
to
start
pulling
numbers
from
other
things.
How
do
we
tighten
that
up
to
get
a
more
accurate
picture?
So
it's
those
type
of
questions,
I.
E
Think
if
you
look
at
the
individual
amendments,
some
of
them
are
we
this
resolution,
and
this
amendment
actually
adjusts
the
budget
because
of
a
resolution
that
we
passed.
Some
of
these
other
unexpected
things
or
slow
delay
in
getting
funds
in
like
Kyle
was
talking
about
with
FEMA
I
I,
wouldn't
I'm
not
worried
about
a
shortfall.
It's
going
to
come.
It's
just
it's
not
reflected
here.
E
We
have
to
reflect
it
in
the
budget
and
we
make
the
main
decisions,
but
that's
I
would
I
would
use
all
the
quarterly
reports
and
these
amendments
as
a
way
of
helping,
develop
and
probe
questions
for
the
budget
hearings
coming
up,
I.
F
Like
it
and
I'll,
just
close
with
where
it
says,
favorable
and
unfavorable
in
the
explanation,
a
lot
of
times,
for
example,
Fire
and
Ice
put
us
in
a
favorable
lack
of
use
of
depart.
Non-Department
Sundries
put
aside
an
unfavorable
to
the
tune
of
about
417
000..
So
is
that
something
that
you
look
at
Kyle
and
be
like?
Oh,
the
sheriff
needs
is
750
short,
no
one's
using
Sundries,
so
we
just
so.
We
just
you
know
plug
that
in
over
here.
Is
it
just
that
simple
or.
C
F
C
Good
question
this
is:
this
is
very
Arcane,
but
actually
the
government
Finance
Officers
Association
discourages
you
from
using
the
word
favorable,
but
back
you
us.
So
we
should
figure
out
a
way
to
rephrase
this
I
mean
the
point
is
dollars
are
appropriated
for
a
purpose.
We
want
people
to
to
spend
them
as
cost-effective
manner
as
possible
to
accomplish
those
purposes.
So
it's
not
necessarily
favorable.
If
you
haven't
spent
the
money,
but
I
just
had
to
point
that
out,
because
I
I
attended
a
webinar.
A
You
and
Dave
kind
of
touched
on
it
was
about
the
Sheriff's
Department
on
the
749,
but
I
mean
the
items
that
put
them.
There
are
turnover
vacant
positions
and
people
in
the
academy
and
training
so
that
that's,
that
is
ongoing,
I
mean
it's
and
it's
across
the
country
it's
law
enforcement's
nobody's
going
into
it,
I
mean
they're,
they're,
doing
job
fairs
and
trying
to
get
people,
and
so
that
that's
even
though,
that
numbers
significant
it's
explainable
and
yes
I,
agree
and
then
the
the
207
on
the
on
the
emergency
management
online
security.
E
It's
not
so
it's
Mr,
Woodward
I
would
just
say
one
other
thing
and
doing
for
the
budget
committee
is
to
think
about
you
going
through
the
budget.
I
think
it's
important
to
look
at
are
the
fees
that
are
being
charged
and
we
certainly
don't
want
to
and
a
burden,
particularly
Working
Families
with
fees,
but
the
service
that's
being
provided
to
the
extent
those
fees
can
be
paid.
E
Are
we
are
we
capturing
the
fee,
that's
necessary
to
provide
that
I'll,
give
just
one
example
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
all
like
where
all
the
fee
revenue
is
lowered
in
CrossFit
departments,
I
mean
certainly,
if
there's
less
real
estate,
moving,
there's
going
to
be
less
transcriptions
or
money
that
are
coming
in
with
our
restaurant
inspection
process,
part
of
the
process
to
inspection
for
six
months.
E
But
if
you
have
to
have
repeat
visits
the
the
nominal
fee,
that's
charged
by
no
mean
covers
the
compliance,
and
this
is
something
I've
been
working
with
and
trying
to
work
with
the
health
department
to
say
what
is
that
number
you
get
two
free
you
get
I
mean
you
need
to
fix
these
little
things
we'll
come
back
out,
keep
that
at
what
it
is,
but
if
for
repeat
offenders
pay
the
full
cost
of
sending
out
the
sanitary
and
those
types
of
things,
so
I
think
it's
actually
something
for
the
budget.
E
Community
just
broadly
to
look
at
adoption
fees
and
all
those
types
of
things:
the
license
fees
for
dogs
and
what
have
you?
We
have
some
increased
costs
at
the
animal
shelter
that
we
used
some
arpa
dollars,
because
we
aren't
able
to
rely
on
trustees
to
provide
some
Services.
We
know
that
those
dollars
are
going
to
come
to
an
end
at
some
point.
E
What
is
the
plan
to
I
mean
we
brought
in
Personnel,
because
we
couldn't
find
the
Personnel
to
clean
the
the
kennels
and
all
those
types
of
things
so
you're
going
to
have
to
come
up
with
additional
Revenue.
Somehow,
if
we're
going
to
maintain
those
levels
of
services
in
year,
27,
28
and
29
Beyond,
so
those
are
things
to
for
all
of
you
to
work
on
all
right.
Commissioner
Cabell,
there.
G
C
G
If
those
claims
are
less
than
the
amount,
that's
been
great
too
for
the
settlement
that
the
dollars
returned.
Okay,
when
do
we
find
out
when
is
like
the
last
claim,
is
going
to
be
made.
C
G
C
Sure
so
I
mean
we
can
stick
with
the
Sheriff's
Office.
The
Sheriff's
Office
manages
their
budget.
You
know
knowing
that
they
have
equipment
that
has
to
be
replaced.
You
know
every
you
know,
five
years
or
three
years,
depending
on
the
kind
of
equipment,
so
they
manage
their
budget
to
be
able
to
to
to
make
those
equipment
purchases.
In
some
cases
you
know
they
may
have
started
down
the
road
toward
a
purchase,
but
it
hasn't
happened
by
September
30th.
You
know,
so
we
allow
them
to
carry
forward
those
funds.
C
You
know
so
that
the
the
purchase
can
be
completed
in
the
next
year.
Okay,.
G
Gotcha,
thank
you
and
then
to
kind
of
what
cheerwood
we're
saying
about
the
the
fees
going
on
is.
My
last
question
was:
is
this
just
the
five
and
a
half
million
in
lower
forecasted
charges
for
services
and
the
three
and
a
half
coming
from
the
district
court?
Are
those
just
kind
of
like
happenstance
things
or
those
policy,
and
that's
like
a
welcomed
shift.
C
I
think
that's
I
mean
in
the
budget
we
present
to
you
next
month.
You're
gonna
see
a
permanent
reduction
in
the
estimate
for
that
revenue
for
the
district.
Okay,
so
I
think
the
court
can
speak
more
to
the
details
but
to
some
degree
it
as
a
function
of.
B
Anybody
else
with
questions:
okay,
I,
want
to
make
a
point
that
commissioner
Woodward
has
showed
up
to
be
ex-officio,
and
we
now
have
a
full
complement
of.
B
G
B
C
I
was
just
about
to
say,
that's
a
very
scary
term,
so
let
me
just
explain
what
the
situation
is.
This
is
this
is
a
technical
thing.
You
know
each
local
government
in
the
State
as
they
close
their
books
and
issue
their
financial
report.
If
you
have
a
deficit
showing
in
any
of
your
funds,
you
have
to
report
back
to
the
state
and
provide
a
plan,
for
you
know
how
you're
going
to
resolve
that
deficit.
Obviously
there
are,
there
are
communities
that
have
gone
through
that
with
their
major
operating
funds.
C
We're
obviously
not
in
that
that
situation.
So
we
have
three
funds
that,
as
we
close
the
books
for
fiscal
year,
2022
are
technically
in
deficit.
It's
the
front
of
the
clerk
fund,
it's
the
fund
where
smaller
grants
are
held
and
accounted
for,
and
it's
the
lake
levels
act
146
fund
and
all
three
of
these
cases.
Obviously
the
facts
are
slightly
different,
but
in
all
three
of
these
cases
at
some
point
anticipation
of
reimbursement,
you
know
from
a
grant
or
in
the
last
case,
from
an
assessment.
C
So
we've
confirmed
in
each
case
that
that
Revenue
will
be
received
in
fiscal
year.
2023
and
the
deficit
will
be
resolved
and
and
we're
simply
reporting
that
to
the
state,
and
that
requires
you
to
approved
it
before.
We
send
it
so
happy
to
talk
about
the
individual
pieces.
But
that's
the
high
level
description.
G
Friend
of
the
Court
we
just
did
this
in
committee,
like
a
month
ago,
right
they're,
like
five
year
plan
of
a
Grant
application
to
the
states.
Okay,.
E
Woodward
I
mean
always
big
techs
I,
like
these,
like
I,
mean
lake
levels,
I
mean
in
the
Water
Resource
Commission
often
used
to
often
show
up
on
this,
because
the
revenues
and
those
funds
were
not
in
I
mean
the
assessment
had
been
made
to
recover
it.
I
know
that
WRC
has
worked
very
hard
and
I'm
glad
to
cwrc
themselves,
and
these
are
these
are
the
link
words
right.
E
D
E
G
Charlie
so
then,
well
that
brings
up
a
question,
so
I
thought
the
County's
long-term
revolving
fund
would
have
just
been
something
at
the
county
that,
like
we
have
as
a
part
of
mind,
but
is
that
a
lake
Loan
Fund
or
what
is
our
Oakland
County's
long-term
revolving.
C
I'm
gonna
have
to
confess
I,
don't
have
those
details
at
my
fingertips,
since
this
is
a
transaction
that
occurred
in
2010.
Certainly.
E
Memory
serves
me
correctly,
it
was
WRC
and
these
like
things
just
because
of
when
the
assessment
comes
in
and
when
the
work
that
has
to
be
done,
that
they
were
popping
up
all
over
the
place
and
this
this
three
fund
area
used
to
be
much
bigger
because
it
outlined
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things.
So
now,
I'm
really
pulling
the
back
of
the
memory
case,
but
Chris
long
and.