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A
I
don't
know,
am
I
not
muted
there
we
go,
did
that
do
it
that
did
it?
Okay,
great!
I
am
calling
the
meeting
of
the
board
of
commissioners
finance
committee
back
to
order
at
103..
B
Yes,
commissioners
here
kowal
here:
gilray
powell,
here
charles.
C
A
All
right
so
welcome
everybody.
We
have
before
us
the
folks
from
probate
court
to
tell
us
about
their
budget
and
what's
new,
what's
old,
what's
changing
so
welcome?
If
you
would
please
introduce
yourselves
and
then
the
floor
is.
D
D
This
is
the
easy
part
I
I
always
start
off
with
I'll
try
and
be
brief,
which,
whenever
a
lawyer
says
that
in
my
courtroom,
I
kind
of
sit
back.
D
D
My
colleagues
are
judge
kathleen,
o'brien
judge,
daniel,
a
oprah,
I'm
sorry,
kathleen
ryan,
daniel,
a
o'brien
and
jennifer
callahan,
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
not
only
are
these
people,
my
colleagues,
they
are
my
friends.
We
are
a
very
collegial
court.
Everybody
helps
everybody
else
and
we
get
along
quite
well.
So
that's
the
good
news
about
probate.
We
also
have
wonderful
administration.
D
Ed
hutton
is
our
probate
court
administrator,
barb
andrew
chile
is
our
probate
court
register
and,
of
course,
we're
supported
by
john
cooper
rider
and
chris
bujak,
who
are
members
of
our
business
team.
So
that's
kind
of
the
introduction
part.
I
thought
I
would
also
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
do
in
probate
court
and
I
know
some
of
you
know
this.
So
please
bear
with
me
for
those
who,
don't,
though,
the
probate
court
handles
cases
involving
wills,
trusts
and
estates,
we
also
are
responsible
for
adult
guardianship
and
conservatorship
matters.
D
Minor
guardianship
and
conservatorship
matters,
cases
involving
developmentally
disabled
people
who
might
need
a
guardian.
We
handle
all
of
the
mental
health
commitment
hearings
for
the
county
and
civil
cases
that
are
attached
to
our
probate,
wills
estates
and
trust
cases.
So
we
have
a
very
big
docket.
D
D
E
Thank
you
yes,
and
a
perfect
segue
into
these
two
tables
and,
as
judge
hallmark
just
mentioned
that
our
our
case
load
is
ever
increasing,
has
been
for
a
long
time
and
continues.
The
outlook
is
that
it
will
continue
to
increase
with
aging
demographics,
in
particular
the
baby
boom
generation,
as
the
demographics
continue
to
age.
The
services
that
the
probate
court
provides
are
going
to
be
more
and
more
in
demand.
E
We've
got
these
two
tables
up
here,
a
lot
of
numbers,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
the
numbers
in
there.
The
purpose
of
these
tables
just
was
to
illustrate
the
fact
that
our
the
trend
is
that
we're
growing
that
our
file,
our
number
of
filings,
are
going
up.
Their
number
of
active
cases
are
going
up.
The
difference
from
2020
to
2021
was
a
30
filing
increase,
so
we
keep
growing
and
we're
going
to
need
in
the
future.
Our
staff
and
our
facilities
are
our
space
to
evolve
with
us.
D
Our
numbers,
of
course,
are
now
at
the
pre-covet
stages
and
also
kovid
presented
some
real
challenges
for
us,
because
we
do
deal
with
things
like
guardianship,
conservatorship
many
people
who
were
ill
during
that
time
came
to
us
for
assistance
with
those
kinds
of
issues.
So
some
of
the
courts
had
less
work.
I
think
we
all
had
way
more
work
on
our
hands
during
that
time,
and
we
did
most
of
it
remotely
again.
Great
staff
assistance
and
technology
helped
us
out
quite
a
bit.
E
Yeah,
our
courtrooms
were
able
to
function
very
well
remotely,
but
one
thing
that
we
face
with
the
probate
court:
that's
a
little
bit
unique
compared
to
some
of
the
other
different
types
of
courts
around
the
state
is
that
we
do
not
have
e-filing
and
we
are
dependent
upon
the
state
court
administrative
office
to
get
that
I've
been
pushing
for
that.
We've
been
pushing
for
that
for
a
number
of
years.
Now
we're
going
to
continue
to
push
for
that.
E
That's
something
that
we
want,
but
for
now
we're
working,
we're
kind
of
in
the
stone
ages
we're
working
with
paper
files,
hard
files.
So
during
covid
we
had
to
have
our
staff
there
ours.
We
have
been
in
person
the
entire
time
as
far
as
our
filing
staff
goes,
so
yeah
huge
hats
off
to
them.
I
can't
give
them
enough
credit.
They
worked
hard.
They
had
a
great
attitude
throughout
they're
fantastic,
but
they
enabled
us
to
keep
going
and
we
they
had
to
be
here,
so
we
will
hopefully
get
e-file
in
the
somewhat
near
future.
E
There's
no
date
right
now,
specific
date
that
we've
been
given
by
the
state
court
administrative
office.
For
that,
but
we're
going
to
keep
pushing
for
that
that'll
be
huge
for
us
when
we
get
it
right
now,
there's
only
one
court
in
the
state,
one
probate
court
that
has
the
e-filing
and
that's
ottawa
county,
so
so
with
that,
comparing
our
this
next
slide
compares
our
staffing
now
and
case
load
compared
to
the
staffing
that
we
had
in
2003,
and
since
we
had
paper
files
then-
and
we
have
paper
files
now
it
is
a
pretty
good
comparison.
E
Our
practice
is
now
compared
to
our
practices.
Then
there
haven't
been
any
technological
breakthroughs
that
are
that
have
helped
a
lot.
Considering
that
we
have
paper
files
that
we're
pushing
around.
So
in
2003
we
had
63
employees.
We
currently
have
55
our
active
case
load
since
then
has
gone
up
by
37.
E
So
almost
5
000
additional
cases,
we've
got
eight
less
positions
and
we
can
feel
that
we
can.
We
can
sense
it
in
that
we're
always
behind
somewhere
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
we
look
at
what
we
have
and
what
we
need
to
get
done
and
every
service
that
we
provide
we're
statutorily
mandated
to
provide
it.
So
we
look
at:
where
can
we
afford
to
fall
behind?
We
allocate
our
staff
to
an
area,
get
caught
up,
fall
behind
somewhere
else,
and
we
constantly
play
musical
chairs
like
that
because
of
our
lack
of
staffing,
we're.
E
We
haven't,
requested
additional
positions
this
year
or
last
year,
just
because
of
the
circumstances
that
the
world
has
been
in
with
the
additional
cost
of
everything
that
has
been
incurred
because
of
everything
that's
been
going
on,
but
it
is
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
in
the
future.
As
we
continue
to
grow,
our
staff
is
going
to
have
to
grow
with
us.
E
Performance
measures,
the
state
court
administrative
office-
they
keep
track
of
our
performance
in
every
court
in
the
state's
performance.
Ours,
I'm
proud
to
say,
has
been
exemplary
over
the
years
last
year
was
was
no
different.
We
sit
down
every
year
with
our
regional
director
from
state
court
administrative
office
and
review
our
numbers.
We
just
did
that
last
week
we
look
at
where
we're
strong
and
where
we're
weak,
our
numbers
were
really
really
good.
Our
regional
director
was
very
happy
with
our
performance.
E
I've
picked
out
just
a
few
numbers.
I
don't
want
to
get
too
into
it.
We
had
an
entire
packet
of
numbers
where
we
were
at
the
top
or
the
very
top
of
perform,
reiterating
right
there
that
our
30
increase
in
file
length,
guardianship
and
conservatorship
case
age
rate
percent
disposed
of
within
364
days.
Oakland
county
probate
court
was
at
98.
E
The
big
county
average
is
97,
those
big
counties
being
wayne
mccomb
genesee
oakland
kent
and
is
livingston.
E
And
just
a
couple
more
stats,
I
won't
bore
you
with
too
many,
but
state
filings
clearance
rate
percent
disposed
of
within
35
days.
Our
court
was
at
86
percent,
big
county
average
79
percent.
So
we're
way
at
the
top
of
that
category
percent
percent
disposed
within
182
days,
oakland
county
98,
big
county
average,
98
percent
right
at
the
top,
and
we
were
across
the
board
in
every
category
budget,
budget
savings
and
actual
and
expected.
E
We
were
asked,
as
were
the
other
courts
in
the
county
and
other
departments.
As
far
as
I'm
aware
to
cut
four
percent
of
our
budget-
and
we
took
that
seriously
and
we
sat
down
and
analyzed
our
budget
and
where
we
could
cut
and
taken
into
consideration
that
every
service
we
provide
is
required.
It
is
statutorily
mandated
that
we
provide
what
we
provide
and
we
could
not
come
up
with
anywhere
that
we
could
cut
our
budget
and
still
be
able
to
provide
the
services
that
we're
required
to
provide.
E
We
just
don't
have
the
favorability,
we
don't
have
the
the
cushion
built
in
to
our
budget
right
now,
but
that
we
really
tried
we
really
wanted
to.
And
we
continued
to
look
for
places
that
we
could
save
funding,
that
we
could
not
necessarily
cut
our
budget
but
but
save
money
elsewhere.
One
area
that
we
identified
there
was
a
court
rule
that
was
changed.
That
requires
all
the
courts
to
redact
personally
identifying
information
from
court
documents.
E
There
were
two
options
as
far
as
ways
to
do
that.
One
option
was
to
man
a
program
that
allows
us
to
manually
go
in
an
individual
would
have
to
go
line
by
line
and
redact
that
information
from
from
each
document
that
required
it.
The
other
option
was
an
automated
program
that
would
go
in
identified,
which
fields
needed
to
be
redacted
and
would
automatically
redact
them.
The
first
option
costs
about
eight
thousand
the
other
option.
The
automated
option
cost
over
eighty
thousand.
E
We
looked
at
the
number
of
documents
that
we
redacted.
We
decided
that
we
would
be
able
to
manually.
Do
that
and
save
that
money.
It
just
didn't
seem
physically
responsible
to
go
on
and
get
that
automated
process
we
felt
like
we
could
do
it
without
it.
So
we
tried
to
save
some
money
there
and
went
with
the
manual
option.
E
E-Mailing
I've
already
went
into
that.
We
don't
have
it,
we
want
it
we're
going
to
continue
to
push
for
it.
That
should
be
some
improved
efficiency
once
we
get
it,
but
that
could
be
year
that
will
be
years
down
the
road
that
will
not
be
any
time
immediate
as
much
as
we
would
like
for
it
to
be.
D
I
should
I
should
just
point
out:
oakland
county
was
doing
really
well
trying
to
get
to
e-filing,
but
the
state
of
michigan
decided
to
take
that
over
so
we're
mandated
by
the
supreme
court
to
use
the
state
system
and
they
don't
have
it
up
and
running
yet
because,
like
everything
in
the
state
of
michigan,
I
hope
we're
not
being
recorded
it's
bogged
down
in
the
bureaucracy
yeah
and
I
won't
even
get
into
why.
But
anyway,
that's
where
we
are
yeah.
E
E
Are
very
well
situated
to
be
a
court
that
they
consider
in
the
early
stages,
given
that
we
are
so
closely
associated
with
the
circuit
court
and
the
circuit
court.
It's
been
e-filing
for
years
that
we
have
the
the
technology
support
that
we
have
and
we
have
individuals
already
familiar
with
e-filing
here
that
could
help
implement
that
system.
E
But
in
talking
to
the
state
there
have
been
times
actually
at
one
point,
we
were
supposed
to
implement
the
e-filing
process
earlier
this
year
at
the
beginning
of
this
year,
but
things
have
changed
over
and
over.
There
have
been
times
where
we
were
at
the
top
of
the
list
and
there
have
been
times
where
we
weren't
on
the
list
at
all.
E
A
D
E
Another
project
on
the
last
slide
that
we
have
here
an
outlook
for
future
years.
I've
included
in
this
a
leadership
project
that
has
been
slated
to
be
implemented
for
a
couple
of
years,
but
obviously
it
requires
the
I.t
department
to
implement
this
and
they
have
had
their
hands
very
full
in
the
past
few
years,
and
understandably
so.
My
understanding
is
that
this
is
close
to
starting
that
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
implement
this
soon.
E
E
This
is
going
to
continue
to
help
us
throughout,
so
that
should
improve
our
efficiency
and
every
little
bit
of
efficiency
that
we
gain
we're
going
to
reassess
our
needs
and
our
staffing
and
if
the
number
of
additional
staff
that
we
need
on
top
of
what
we
already
have
goes
down,
then
that
will
benefit
the
county
budget
savings
and
throughout
potential
future
needs.
You
know,
I
don't
even
know
if
we
should
have
put
potential
in
there.
E
F
E
Courtrooms
that
are
very
far
apart
from
one
another
courtrooms
that
are
very
far
from
our
filing
counter,
where
customers
have
to
walk
back
and
forth
from
a
filing
counter
to
a
distant
courtroom
or
courtrooms
on
different
floors
and
that's
difficult
for
any
entity
or
for
any
court,
but
especially
problematic
for
a
court
who
generally
serves
the
elderly
and
disabled
individuals
and
to
make
them
traverse
this.
You
know
from
the
east
end
to
the
west
end
of
the
building.
Is
you
know
it's
borderline
cruel
when
you
see
it
at
that
time?
E
So
that's
that's
a
big,
a
big
problem
that
we
have
also
the
safety
of
our
space.
Our
filing
counter
has
absolutely
nothing
to
keep
somebody
from
wanting
to
come
around
the
counter
and
be
in
the
same
space
as
our
employees.
There's
nowhere
for
them
to
go,
and
we
have
had
several
individuals
over
the
years
come
behind
that
counter.
E
We've
got
to
send
somebody
down
there
to
dig
through
boxes
and
dig
through
shelves
and
get
these
files
and
as
bad
as
that
sounds
when
that
occurs,
and
we
have
a
line
of
10
people
at
our
filing
counter.
It's
a
big
problem,
it
looks
unprofessional
and
people
are
are
not
pleased
with
their
experience
at
the
court,
but
right
now
that's
that's
the
hand
word
out.
That's
the
situation
we're
in
we're
going
to
continue
to
grow.
E
This
problem
is
going
to
continue
to
get
worse
and
it's
something
that
is
going
to
be
easier
to
address
the
sooner
it's
addressed,
but
it's
just
going
to
get
worse
until
it
breaks
so
in
the
future.
That's
something
that's
going
to
need
to
be
need
to
be
addressed
and
staffing
shortage.
I've
already
covered
that.
So
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
that
again.
That's
all
I
have
unless
hallmark
or
john
or
chris
have
anything
to
add.
A
G
Okay,
so
my
question
and
commissioners
y'all
can
help
me
with
this.
It
sounds
like
with
layout
structure.
That's
like
a
huge
thing,
and
if,
since
we
can't,
we
got
to
wait
on
the
state
for
the
filing
help
is
who
makes
those
decisions-
and
I
don't
know
you
could
tell
them
to
who
makes
those
decisions
in
the
rework
of
them
in
the
court
system?
Is
that
state
you.
D
So
I've
lived
through
several
iterations
of
different
designs
for
the
courthouse
and
we
do
studies
they
spend
money.
We
look
at
things,
everybody
says
yeah.
We
need
to
do
something
and
then
it
doesn't
happen.
So,
oh
really!
Well,
you
know
things
have
happened
over
the
years.
We
had
a
recession
and
we
had
coveted-
and
you
know
so
often
times
things
just
got
just
so.
We
need
to
put
on
the
back.
D
A
Them-
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
facility,
I'll
just
jump
in
for
a
second
and
I'll,
give
you
back
the
floor,
but
facilities
is
looking
at
the
entire
site
for
building
utilization
because
with
hybrid
workers
and
energy
use,
and
all
of
that
the
whole
question
of
how
are
we
using
the
space
on
this
campus
is
being
investigated?
A
This
should
be
part
of
it.
You
know,
how
can
we
better
service
the
probate
court,
because
it
sounds
like
you're,
you're
kind
of
stuck
where
everybody
else
isn't?
That's
what
it
sort
of
sounds
like.
We
have
the
big
circuit
court
and
we
have
this
and
we
have
the
that
and
okay.
You
can
have
a
spot
here
and
you
can
have
a
spot
here.
That's
what
it
sounds
like.
G
B
A
G
Great
time
now
for
us
to
now
really
ask
them
to
support
the
probate
and
not
drag
their
feet,
so
we
and
we
put
a
date
on
it
today,
we're
going
to
get
you
know
what
I
mean
to
kind
of
help
expedite
that,
especially
when
they
got
the
filing,
because
that's
another
issue
and
then
with
I.t
when
we
meet
with
it.
B
G
G
So
I
would
like
to
ask
for
us
to
kind
of
work
that
out.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
protocol,
but
I
would
like
to
see
that
happen
and
then,
when
you
referenced
estate,
filing
clearance
rate
and
recent
disposal
within
a
hundred,
what
does
that
mean?
I
just
I
need
to
know
like
what
does.
D
Our
our
clearance
rate
is
is:
are
we
processing
the
cases
in
a
timely
manner
and
the
state
of
michigan
oversees
that
okay,
we're
not
supposed
to
have
any
cases
that,
last
more
than
a
year
from
like
starting.
H
D
Okay,
so,
okay,
that's
what
they
monitor
we're
doing
well
in
in
those
categories
is
and
said.
We
just
met
with
the
state
last
week
and
they're
happy
with
us,
okay,
they're,
so
good,
and
then.
G
D
G
Okay
got
it
and
then
I
know
you
referenced
stephanie
stephanie,
but
if
you
had
a
wish
list,
how
many
staff
would
be
like
golden
for
you
all
if
y'all
could
hit
that
mark?
What
would
that
number
be.
E
I
mean
you
know
if
I
could
have
anything.
I
have
six
if
I
could
have
six
deputies
and
six
office
office
assistants
that
that
would
be
amazing,
four
would
be
an
enormous
enormous
help
and
with
future
efficiencies.
If
we
had
e-filing
and
if
we
get
this
leadership
project
through
then
then
maybe
that's
what
we
would
need
and
that's
as
big
a
concern
as
staffing
as
the
spacing
issue
is,
is
becoming.
E
It
has
overtaken
it
since
I've
been
here,
it
was
staffing,
was
our
primary
issue
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
be
an
issue
because
our
numbers
are
going
up.
Our
caseload
is
going
up,
but
actually
spacing
now
that
we're
putting
those
files
in
the
basement
that
was
kind
of
the
point
where
wow
this
is
okay,
that
got
real.
Now,
that's
that's
a
bigger
problem
than
even
staffing
us
so,
and
I
think
part
of
that
is
because
that
stretches
our
staff
thinner.
E
Every
time
we
have
this
we're
spread
out
and
we
have
to
send
somebody
down
to
the
basement
forever
how
long
it
takes
to
find
a
file
down
there,
which
may
be
in
a
box.
It
may
not
be
on
a
shelf,
it
takes
up
more
time
and
it's
less
efficient
and
now
it's
more
of
a
burden
on
the
limited
staff
that
we
do
have.
So
I
mean
and.
E
D
G
A
C
D
Yes,
guardianship
is
really
taking
care
of
the
person,
so
medical
decisions,
placement,
those
kinds
of
decisions-
are
within
the
purview
of
the
guardian.
The
conservatorship
is
over
finances,
okay,
so
the
simple
explanation.
C
Yeah-
and
it
was
on
that
statistics
page
from
the
powerpoint
and
just
the
numbers
there
with
regards
to
like
adult
versus
juvenile-
and
there
was
even
something
on
there
called
inter-vivo
with
regards
to
trusts-
I'm
a
big
fan
of
the
probate
court
only
because
I've
had
to
utilize
it
when
my
grandmother
passed
back
in
20
back
at
11
and
I'm
just
always
advocating
for
people
not
to
to
count
on
a
will,
but
to
also
ensure
that
they
have
a
revocable
trust.
C
My
next
observation
was,
you
talked
about,
and
I
think
commissioner
powell
talked
about
it
a
bit
with
just
documents
and
making
sure
that
the
retrieval
process
like
you
spoke
about
is
effective,
and
so
I
have
to
ask
are:
are
the
documents
being
scanned
at
all
like
on
a
regular
scanner
and
then
perhaps
a
microfiche
at
some
point?
E
Do
we
we
have
to
follow
the
recommendations
from
the
state
on
how
we
store
files
and,
depending
on
case
type,
they
have
rules
for
each
type
of
case
and
how
long
we
have
to
store
them.
So
I
think
the
earliest
we
can
dispose
of
a
file
is
after
80
years,
so
80
80.,
the
first
ones
that
we
can
dispose
of.
If
I
recall
correctly
so
you
can
see
how
they
would
add
up
forever.
E
E
C
Allowed
to
do,
and
as
we
have
the
manpower
to
do,
that's
good
to
know
and
you've
talked
about
pii,
which
is
something
used
to
be
important
to
me.
When
I
was
working
with
statistics
and
surveys,
how
do
you
make
sure
that
you
can
correctly
look
at
a
document
and
know
who
it's
for,
if
you've
had
to
redact
all
that
pii?
E
Information
with
that
information
does
exist
and
it
is
on
the
file.
But
now
it's
in
a
confidential
file.
There
have
been
new
iterations
of
the
court
documents.
The
scale
forms
that
have
come
through
that,
where
we'll
have
one
master
document
that
has
this
information
and
that's
going
to
be
kept
confidential
on
the
file
and
then
the
other
documents.
These
new
iterations
of
the
scale
forms
don't
even
have
boxes
for
that
information
to
be
included
on
them
and
those
are
the
documents
that
will
stay
in
the
public
file.
A
You,
okay,
commissioner
mcgilvray.
Thank
you.
I
With
the
use
of
remote
remote
court
sessions
and
the
hybrid
plan
that
the
county
has,
in
effect
for
staff
during
the
pandemic,
where
they
only
have
to
work
one
day
a
week,
I'm
curious
as
to
your
need
for
space.
It
seems
like
with
the
remote
sessions
and
the
amount
of
employees
down
per
day
that
are
in
the
office
working.
B
A
Gonna,
stop
you
right.
There.
Tech
is
telling
me
everybody
needs
to
speak
into
their
mics.
It's
okay.
E
Yeah,
there's
you
know
it's
not
a
just
a
simple
answer
to
that.
It's
multifaceted
part
of
it
is
what
we've
already
discussed
about
the
paper
files
and
the
majority
of
our
of
our
staff
as
non-judicial
staff,
and
that's
the
individuals
that
are
working.
Those
files
are
accepting
those
hard
documents,
they're.
E
E
Detalmar
can
speak
more
directly
to
this,
but
there
there
are
some
court
proceedings
that
lend
themselves
very,
very
well
to
remote
remote
hearings,
and
there
are
some
that
just
don't
by
their
very
nature
a
very
contested
hearing
where
individuals
are
very
contentious
and
argumentative
can
be
extremely
difficult
with
you
know,
little
zoom
boxes
and
keeping
everybody
in
order.
It
really
depends
on
the
parties
that
are
that
are
participating
in
the
hearing
and
how
much
they're
they're
going
to
observe
protocols
as
well.
E
D
D
D
I
I
I
had
these
conversations
with
judge
ryan
a
while
back,
and
I
just
want
to
I
understand
your
your
need
for
space.
She
was
in
need
for
space,
then,
where
you
had
to
run
around
to
the
back
courtroom
and
this
and
that.
D
D
I
That
to
me,
but
one
other
question
I've
got
is
that
you
mentioned
on
the
e-filing.
There's
one
county
in
the
state:
that's
ottawa
county.
How
did
they
become
first.
E
D
D
E
And
ottawa's
issues
may
be
more
representative
of
most
of
the
state
compared
to
oakland
county
issues
or
wayne
county
issues.
Wayne
county
is
about
approximately
twice
the
size
of
our
courts.
Our
court
is
about
twice
the
size
of
the
next
smallest
court,
so
to
pick
us
or
wayne
might
not
to
work
out
the
bugs
of
a
program,
you
might
end
up
with
a
program
that
doesn't
suit
the
rest
of
the
state
as
well
as
it
could
so
that
that
might
affect
your
goodness.
B
I
Let
me
ask
this:
is
there
anything
that
the
board
of
commissioners
can
do
to
persuade
them
that
you
need
it
as
fast
as
possible?.
E
I
I'm
not
sure,
but
if
it
ever
comes
up,
if
there's
ever
an
opportunity
where
I
can
have
you
guys
backing
me
up
on,
you
know
some
meeting
or
some
letter
or
some
something
that
I'm
when
I'm
pushing
for
it.
I
absolutely
will
remember
that
and
and
utilize
your
guys's
help
as
much
as
we
can.
Okay.
Thank
you.
J
Should
think
the
security
issue
alone
would
let
it
a
certain
sense
of
urgency?
But
what
do
I
know?
Okay,
I
have
a
question
couple
in
the
in
your
categorical.
In
your
summary,
you
mentioned
that
you
are
assisting
and
eliminating
a
portion
of
the
backlog
of
cases
resulting
from
covid
pandemic.
I
either
missed
it
or
attended.
How
is
that
backlog
going?
How
is
that
all
gone?
All
done?
Where
are
you
at
annette.
J
Shipping
chipping,
like
you,
know
like
like,
like
what
percentage,
maybe
you
know
I
don't
know.
E
A
percentage,
but
I
could
say
the
one
big
area
there.
We
send
out
reminders
to
everybody
who
is
deficient,
all
the
fiduciaries
that
are
deficient
because
they
haven't
filed
an
annual
report
or
an
accounting
or
something
that
lets
us
know
that
this
case
is
still
going
what's
going
on
with
it
annually.
They
have
to
submit
that
and
we
send
out
reminders
with
that's
an
area
that
we
were
behind
and
we're
almost
caught
up,
because
we
devoted
some
staff
to
that
area.
E
But,
like
I
mentioned
we
get
behind
in
another
area
when
we
get
caught
up
in
one
area,
so
that
is
a
non-court
case
function
that
we
got
behind
on
and
that
we're
catching
up
as
far
as
docket
numbers,
our
docket
numbers
are
stellar.
Our
we
have
figured
out
how
to
be
efficient
with
while
using
utilizing
zoom.
E
Could
you
define
stellar?
I
think
if
somebody
files
a
petition
right
now
for
most
of
our
judges,
they're
going
to
get
a
hearing
within
three
to
six
weeks,
depending
on
the
judge,
depending
on
the
type
of.
E
J
I
used
to
do
these
cases
some
years
ago,
but
still
all
right
now.
I
noticed
that
you
are
talking
about
your
mentions
facilities,
maintenance
to
bring
equity
in
line
with
federal
omb.
How
are
you
using
the
term
equity?
It
seems
to
have
a
lot
of
different
definitions.
I'm.
J
Would
be
on
page
36
in
the
in
the
smaller
one,
the
categorical,
I
think
I
know
what
you're
I
think
I
know
how
you're
using
that
word,
but
I'd
like
to
be
sure.
Okay,
we
can
leave
that
aside.
While
you
look
that
up,
you
also,
but
maybe
you
better
have
that,
because
I'm
going
off
on
a
lot
of
the
reports
here,
you
had
reserves
that
were
depleted.
J
E
J
We
touched
on
yesterday,
okay,
so
just
because
I
like
the
word
depleted,
I
don't
need
to
ask
it.
It.
J
Is
even
better
okay,
I
noticed
in
the
line
items
once
again,
I
see
retirement
and
retirement
is
going
up
significantly
from
21
to
791
up
to
929,
which
is
which
is
quite
a
bit
what's
that
about,
I
think,
is
that
mentioned
all
the
baby
boomers
going
away
or
what
is
what
is
all
that.
J
Yeah,
that
is,
general
fund
probate
court
on
line
item;
seven,
two:
two:
seven:
seven:
zero
retirement:
if
that's
what
it
costs
to
get
rid
of
the
baby
boomers,
it's
cheap!
E
Is
planning
to
retire
right
now,
any
direct
staff.
We
have
a
very
young
force
right
now,
a
very
young
staff.
When
I,
when
I
came
in
there
was
we
have
a
great
staff.
We
have
a
lot
of
energy
with
our
employees.
They
work
hard,
they're,
fantastic.
I
don't,
I
can't
say
enough
good
about
them,
but
as
far
as
retirement
in
the
future,
we
have
nothing
nobody
slated
right.
Now
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
going
going
to
be
in
a
retirement
situation
coming
up,
because
just
because
we
are
so
young,
so.
J
This
group,
all
right
one
one
last
and
I'm
done
I
mean
in
that
case,
why
is
retirement
line
going
up?
Is
that
the
very
end,
grand
total
expenditures
going
up
quite
a
bit
from
the
21
actual
to
the
recommended?
What
what
does
that
reflect?
May
I
ask
it's
a
lot
of
various
various.
I
J
I
D
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
programs,
mostly,
we
have
staff.
We
did
get
increases,
though
also
like
in
our
appointed
council
and
professional.
I
Yeah
one
year,
evaluation
area,
the
area
we
did
ask
for
eighty
thousand
dollars
in
terms
of
psychological
evaluation
help
because
we
have
we're
required
by
a
statute
to
do
these
evaluations.
J
I
Have
respondents
which
was
macomb
oakland
regional
center-
that
did
a
lot
of
these
for
the
development
disabled,
independent
medical
exams
for
us
for
free,
but
a
couple
years
ago
they
due
to
various
reasons
they
were
had
to
pull
out
of
that,
and
so
the
the
county
has
to
pay
up
all
that
now.
Yeah.
L
L
Hey,
I
just
had
a
big,
quick
question
about
guardianships,
that's
a
big
part
of
your
work
and
that's
becoming
a
bigger
part
and
that's
something
that
we
all
are,
or
hopefully
all
of
us
are
cognizant
of
just
for
the
sake
of
like
taking
care
of
our
most
vulnerable
people.
So
what
if
any
like
recourse
do
you
have
for?
L
D
Well,
I
mean
first
of
all
it
has
to
come
to
our
attention.
I
mean
we
remove
those
people,
we
can
appoint
a
professional
to
come
in
and
do
a
surcharge
if
that's
appropriate,
if
someone's
taking
money
that
they
shouldn't
take.
D
We
also
have
referrals
that
we
make
to
the
department
of
health
and
human
services
there's
an
adult
protective
services
unit
that
can
come
in
and
assist.
We
make
referrals
to
the
police,
we
have
guardian
ad
litems
who
we
can
appoint
lawyers
to
assist
the
vulnerable
person,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
resources.
D
Unfortunately,
what
often
happens
is
the
person's
taken
advantage
of
before
they
ever
get
to
court.
So
I
mean
I
just
had
a
case
like
break
your
heart.
A
gentleman
not
married,
no
children
relied
on
his
friend
and
neighbor
to
help
him
and
the
man
took
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
D
L
D
E
Okay,
and
also,
if
I,
if
and
the
judges
know,
I
know
this
as
well
and
and
they'll.
Let
me
know
if
there's
a
case
where
it
looks
like
somebody
is
criminally
liable:
I'll
contact
the
prosecutor's
office,
the
sheriff's
department
ever
who
is
the
appropriate
person
to
contact
and
let
them
know
what
the
situation
is,
and
they
can
do
an
investigation
and
go
from
there
and
they've
been
very,
very
receptive
to
that
and
asked
for
that
in
the
past.
So
yeah
any
case
that
comes
up
that
looks
like
it
needs
to
go
in
that
direction.
E
D
We
also
get
a
heads
up.
For
instance,
we
recently
got
a
notice
from
macomb
county
that
there
was
an
individual
that
they
thought
they
had
a
problem
with
and
they
wanted
us
to
know
about
it.
So
this
person
didn't
get
appointed
in
any
of
our
cases.
We
can
do
a
check
and
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
avoiding
that
kind.
L
L
G
Y'all
alluded
to
the
30
staff
decrease
that
was
mentioned
on
one
of
the
slides.
What
is
that?
Is
they
leaving
going
to
a
different
department
leaving
oakland
county
like
what
is
what
is
what
is
happening
with
those
people
or
do.
I
G
B
A
Kind
of
like
a
fixed
income
you're
going
to
get
people
no
matter
what
just
by
nature
of
the
work
that
you
do
so
right.
I
really
appreciate
you
coming
in
today.
I
think
what
I
heard
was
you
have
real
space
issues
and
personnel
staffing
issues
over
the
long
term
and
facilities
is
coming
in
next,
so
somebody
on
this
crew
will
ask
them
about
that.
I'm.
D
A
E
E
G
But
I'm
not
surprised
on
the
stall
with
probate,
no,
no,
no
with
the
with
the
system,
but
the
father
that's
crazy.
I
ain't
surprised
on
that,
though.
Michigan
got
a
bad
rating
on
probate
like
our
probate
system
here,
the
state
not
even
that
it
just
it
just
kind
of
makes
it
it
kind
of
lets.
You
ready.
A
A
H
H
Okay
and
then
misty
and
team
are,
are
you
on.
B
M
Good
afternoon
miss
steve
rates
with
facilities,
fighting
and
engineering.
H
All
right,
so
you
heard
from
our
three
managers:
we
have
three
divisions
now
just
a
reminder
in
facilities
management.
Within
the
past
year
support
services
joined
our
department
before
that
support
services
was
under
the
central
services
department.
H
H
Our
service
level
kpis,
we
are
still
currently
working
through
those.
We
were
one
of
the
last
departments
to
get
started
on
the
kpi
process,
so
we
are
working
through
those
we're
getting
very
close
to
identifying
those,
and
I
should
mention
too
that,
on
the
on
the
headline
kpis,
we
are
very
close
to
identifying
and
collecting
all
the
data
that
we
need
to
set
our
baseline
and
then
track
our
goals,
the
the
service
level
kpis
on
the
support
services
side.
H
There
is
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
note
on
here
that
they
have
started
tracking
and
that
is
their
miles
per
gallon
on
our
vehicles,
which
you
can
see.
You
know
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
big
number.
When
you,
when
you
look
and
see
that
you
know,
we've
we've
been
able
to
save
0.16
miles
per
gallon,
but
so
far
for
this
year,
that's
equated
to
over
10,
000
gallons
of
fuel.
H
Key
budget
changes,
the
big
one
for
us
is
a
it's
a
funding
shift,
so
we
rely
heavily
on
outside
vendors
contractors
to
complete
a
lot
of
the
work
that
we
need
to
do
and
with
this
it
would
allow
us
to
bring
those
services
in-house.
So
things
such
as
paving
maintenance.
H
And
our
recycling
program,
which,
right
now
our
recycling
program,
is
fairly
minimal
and
we
really
want
to
expand
that.
We
have
plans
to
to
really
enhance
that,
and
so
many
of
these
positions
will
allow
us
to
perform
those
services
in-house.
So
we're
simply
shifting
the
funding
that
we've
been
paying
to
outside
contractors
to
use
that
to
hire
internal
staff,
and
you
can
see
the
offset
is
approximately
seven
thousand
dollars
that
we
would
have
to
to
pay
to
make
that
happen.
H
If
we're
able
to
move
forward
with
that,
we
would
be
the
first
in
the
country
to
to
have
that
certification
also,
there's
a
huge
focus
on
integrating
more
electric
vehicles
to
the
fleet
as
they
become
available,
and
then
for
those
vehicles
that
we're
forced
to
purchase
right
now
that
are
combustible
vehicles,
try
to
purchase.
You
know
the
most
fuel
efficient
that
we
can
additional
key
budget
changes.
H
H
H
H
Anticipated
I.t
projects-
the
first
one
on
here
is-
would
be
a
switch
on
the
database.
That's
being
used
right
now
at
the
central
garage,
continued
bms
replacement
support
from
it
our
cam
system,
which
will
allow
us
to
asset.
Our
excuse
me
manage
our
assets
better
as
well
as
stay
on
course,
for
our
preventative
maintenance
and
then
also
clarity,
which
is
a
resource
resource
planning
software
for
the
engineering
group
that
will
help
them
manage
their
workload.
H
Right
so
the
I'm
sure
you're
all
aware
that
you
know
one
of
the
big
efforts
that
we're
undertaking
right
now
is
a
capital
improvement
study
to
take
a
look
at
all
of
our
needs
for
our
grounds
and
our
facilities
when
kovid
hit
us
right.
We
we
started
to.
We
quickly
realized
that
the
way
folks
worked
and
and
the
amount
of
space
that
was
needed
may
change
long
term.
H
So
we
engaged
with
an
outside
firm
that
was
also
working
on
the
cip
with
us
to
put
together
a
space
needs
assessment,
and
we've
completed
that
for
a
couple
of
our
large
buildings,
including
this
building.
Here
we
interviewed
all
of
the
department
heads
on
what
their
space
needs
might
be,
how
they
see
their
their
workforce
or
their
their
work,
taking
place
moving
forward
as
far
as
like
hybrid
working
working
remotely,
how
often
they
need
people
in
the
office
hoteling
so
on
and
so
forth,
so
that
effort
is
underway.
B
G
Oh
so
did
the
executive
have
a
follow-up
timeline
of
when
he
expects
to
have
something
with
next
steps.
H
From
you
all
well,
we
think
we,
we
know
what
our
next
steps
are,
but
in
in
those
are
simply
to
complete
the
space
assessments
for
the
remaining
buildings,
and
once
we
have
that
you
know,
then
we
can
put
a
plan
in
place
to
act.
Actually,
you
know
look
at
implementing
changes
and
we
are
currently
waiting
on
a
proposal
from
plant
moran.
Who
is
the
group
that
we're
working
with
to
move
forward
on
that
effort
when.
H
Does
anyone
recall
when
plant
moran
said
that
they
would
have
that
delivered
to
us?
I
thought
within
the
next
couple
weeks,
yep.
H
They
did
mention
okay,
so
everyone,
like
I
mentioned
in
the
county,
has
been
surveyed
on
their
needs,
but
they
simply
have
not
been
through
all
the
buildings
they've
been
through
the
courthouse
in
the
executive
office
building
it
it
will
be
months,
we're
hoping
not
many,
but
I
can't
say
for
sure
how
how
long
again
we
just
met
this
morning,
and
we
walked
out
of
that
room
with
you
know
a
plan
to
move
forward
and
we
we
need
to
have
further
discussions
with
them
shortly
on
on
the
timing
of
it.
A
G
Powell,
you
still
have
the
floor
in
a
few
months.
I
guess
whenever
just
ask
for
an
update,
so
we
can
kind
of
stay
in
the
loop
on
this
just
in
regards
to
all
our
departments
and
just
this
project
period,
because
one
thing
we
don't
want
is
snail
paste
movement
either.
That's.
G
A
G
We're
big
on
customer
service,
so
right,
and
I'm
just
saying
this
is
just
for
all
the
departments,
this
whole
project
everything
not
saying
that
we
can
kind
of
maybe
control
it,
but
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
other
things
going
on
too,
like
materials
all
types
of
stuff,
that's
halting
some
things,
but
I
just
think
overall,
when
they
start
doing
this
work,
I
would
just
like
for
us
to
keep
touching
base
with
this
department,
if
possible.
Please
right.
A
H
A
A
C
H
And-
and
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we've
conclude
or
included
in
our
proposal-
is
the
the
purchase
of
and
the
support
from
it
on
gis
indoors.
Not
yet.
Yes,
yes,
exactly.
C
Great
to
hear,
and
then
I'm
not
familiar
with
snow
9001,
it
was
iso
9001
and
then
snow
9001
is
that
different
snow.
H
So
no
online,
we
have
mark
baldwin,
who
is
our
chief
of
grounds
and
our
expert
in
that
field
and
mark.
Did
you
hear
the
question?
Okay.
C
H
So
joe
is
the
manager
of
maintenance
and
operations.
That
is
the
fmno
that
everybody
refers
to
our
department.
But
fmno
is
one
of
our
divisions
and
then
jason
is
the
manager
of
planning
and
engineering.
So
he
manages
projects
and
a
big
portion
of
the
cip,
okay,
perfect.
C
And
then
I'm
just
gonna
toss
out
one
question
general
question
that
that
I
have
and
then,
if
other
people
don't
ask
them,
we
can
keep
asking
them.
Oh
wow.
This
is
a
long
little
thing
here:
okay,
okay,
thanks
there
we
go.
We
were
just
talking
about
ada
compliance
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
that,
one
in
terms
of
ada
compliance
on
county
property.
How
are
we
coming
along
with
with
that.
H
So
ada,
as
I
mentioned
before,
is
something
that
you
know
is
on
our
radar.
We
know
we
need
to
make
improvements
in.
C
And
I
mean:
are
there
legal
legal,
like?
Is
anyone
going
to
complain
and
and
then
sue
us
about?
That's
how
it
works?
I
thought
that's
how
it
worked
and
I
I
wasn't
sure
that
we
had
a
grace
period
to
get
compliant
so
again
chair
if
we
can
help
out
in
any
way
to
support
what
they're
trying
to
do.
I'm
I'm
here
for
it.
H
B
H
That
it's
in
the
upcoming
year,
cip,
so
we
will
be
bringing
that
to
you
towards
the
end
of
the
year
for
approval
super.
A
Thank
you,
wow,
okay,
was
that
it
commissioner,
charles
yeah,
let's
see
what
other
folks
have.
Okay,
commissioner
cavell
and
then
commissioner
kowal
yeah.
L
Thanks,
hey
ed
and
team,
well
on
the
same
vein
as
88
brett
raskin
works
with.
L
L
I
was
going
to
ask
you
that,
but
now
I'm
just
saying
it-
I
see
in
the
budget
staffing.
If
I'm
reading
it
right,
did
you
hit
your
four
percent
staff
reduction
target
or
are
you
excited.
L
H
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
it's
going
to
add
complications
and-
and
honestly,
like
I
have
not
you
know,
the
new
purchasing
person
coming
in.
I
haven't
met
or
talked
with,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know
we've
had
these
discussions
before
yeah.
We
hear
you
loud
and
clear
and
we
understand
and
we
will
be,
we
have
been
and
we
will
continue
to
work
with
purchasing
on
those
efforts.
L
H
So
the
the
space,
the
building
space,
needs
assessment.
Yeah
two
buildings
have
been
completed,
the
entire
courthouse,
this
whole
mini
city
and
then
the
executive
office
building.
H
F
And
we
had
this
discussion
before
and
thank
you
ed
for
agreeing
to
have
like
a
zoom
meeting
about.
We
heard
a
lot
about
air
inner
air
quality
during
covid
and
there
were
people
that
were.
There
was
one
lady
who
was
an
industrial
engineer
and
just
talking
about
how
we
can
do
a
better
job
of
you
know
not
transmitting
viruses
and
bacteria
and
whatnot,
just
with
some
newer
technology.
As
far
as
filtering
the
air-
and
it
seems
like
there
was
something
that
was
going
to
be
done
at
the
jail
kind
of
like
a.
F
But
anyway
can
you
bring
me
up
to
speed
on
what's
going
on
there,
so
that
when
we're
in
buildings,
there's
many
reasons,
there's
off
gassing
all
kinds
of
things
that
happen,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
clean
air
in
the
buildings.
H
Right
yeah,
so
what
we've
been
doing
with
our
current
systems?
Is
you
know,
including
filters
that
either
meet
or
exceed
what's
recommended
and
then
you're
correct
over
at
the
jail
we
purchased
and
installed
several
they're
referred
to
as
air
scrubbers,
because
that
was
one
of
the
areas
where
there
was
you
know
quite
a
few
cases
and,
as
you
recall,
from
the
the
meetings
you
know,
we
work
very
closely
with
the
health
department,
environmental
health,
on
their
recommendations
for
for
dealing
with
any
issues
that
we
might
have.
H
H
H
C
A
strategic
goal
of
oakland
county
is
the
development
of
a
sustainability
plan
within
the
fiscal
year,
2023
facilities
departmental
budget
or
through
the
building
improvement
fund.
What
specific
projects
will
the
department
undertake
to
achieve
the
strategic
goal
and
how
will
that
service
the
residents
of
oakland
county?
I
hope
that's
clear.
H
It's
clear
fairly
clear
anyway,
so
I
think
aaron
spoke
to
this
yesterday,
but
you
know
that
we've
been
involved
in
an
effort
with
a
consultant
to
help
us
develop
a
environmental
sustainability
plan
for
the
campus
right
for
our
grounds
and
our
facilities.
I
I
know
erin
right.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
her,
but
but
in
her
role,
she's
tasked
with
two
things
right,
focusing
on
environmental
sustainability
for
our
campus
and
our
grounds,
which
we
work
very
closely
with
her
on.
H
But
then
she
also
is,
you
know
tasked
with
working
with
other
communities
outside
of
our
campus
here.
So
I
can
only
speak
to
you
know
what
we're
working
on
and
what
our
plans
are
for
our
facilities
and
our
and
our
grounds
here
you
know
we
we
have
you
know
with.
Within
the
past
year,
we've
formed
facilities,
management,
green
team,
which
aaron
is
a
part
of
we've,
had
discussions
with
some
of
you
about
some
of
the
things
that
that
we
want
to
do.
H
We've
really
been
doing
small
things
here
and
there
you
know
low
hanging
fruit
that
that
we
have
the
funding
for
and
can
do
now,
but
really
we're
waiting
for
that
finalized
recommendation
from
aecom.
Before
we
can.
You
know,
package
things
together,
prioritize
them
and
then
seek
the
funding
that
we
need
to
to
carry
those
out.
I
can
tell
you
that
every
new
request
that
we
get
for
a
project
or
any
type
of
maintenance
that
we're
doing
we're,
definitely
looking
through
all
of
those
through
a
sustainability
lens
and
implementing
what
what
we
can
at
that
time.
C
So,
madam
chair-
and
I
appreciate
that
response-
I
I
still
just
feel
like
it's
just
so
slow.
I
mean,
I
think
you
just
talked
about
snail
pace.
I
mean
the
planet's
burning
now
and
I
know
we're
waiting
on
acom
to
give
us
plans,
but
I
just
feel
like
there's
certain
things
that
seem
like
they
should
be
low-hanging
fruit
that
we
can
say
to
the
community.
C
You
know
we
hired
the
sustainability
officer
and
we've
done
at
least
a
b
and
c
as
of
right
now,
like
I
said
yesterday,
to
the
chagrin
of
some
that
the
community
isn't
seeing
that,
and
they
were
already
up
in
arms
about
us
even
hiring
or
making
that
position
in
the
first
place.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
when
we
it's
almost
like
the
unfunded
mandate.
Let's
make
sure
that
we
provide
the
scaffolding.
That's
important
and,
as
an
aside
I
didn't
know,
miss
cattell
was
working
with
other
cvts.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
powell,
did
you
have
something
else
you
wanted
to
add?
Yes,.
G
Two
questions:
oh
one.
Well,
first,
you
said
we
got
45
buildings
and
2
million
worth
of
land
space
to
about.
G
What
is
driving
the
year-over-year
increase
in
rate
per
square
footage
for
building
space
allocation
costs?
That's
one
question,
and
then
the
second
one
is
what
percentage
of
the
building
space,
because
allocation
rate
is
related
to
utility
costs.
H
I
know
that
there's
an
adjustment
right
that
we're
doing
with
is
there
an
adjustment
we're
doing
with
building
charges
to
be
in
line
with
what
we
need
to
be
for,
like
a
a
mandate
or
an
industry
standard?
B
The
the
square.
K
K
Your
question
on
what
part
of
that
utilities
is:
the
three
utilities
are
probably
our
biggest
next
to
personnel,
part
of
those
rates
or
our
utilities
being
electric
and
gas
or
the
top
two
followed
by
a
water,
would
be
the
the
next.
G
Okay
and
then
now
that
we
are
coming
out
of
kobe
19.
y'all
may
have-
you
may
have
answered
this,
but
I'm
just
asking
and
as
presented
in
this
recommended
budget,
a
potential
for
the
nine
million
a
product,
nine
million
of
projects
in
the
capital
improvement
plan
to
be
undertaken
in
fiscal
year
2023.
G
H
If
I
could
I'd
really
like
to
get
back
to
you
on
that,
because
I
would
have,
I
would
have
to
look
through
the
list
of
each
of
those
projects,
and
you
know
and
work
with
the
group
to
try
to
estimate
that
timeline
for
those
right.
L
No
you're
good
first,
commissioner,
charles
to
your
thing
about
sustainability,
there
are
people
on
the
other
side
of
telegraph
that
know
all
about
the
michigan
saves
program
that
would
be
funded
by
arpa.
That
aaron
has
been
trying
to
get
off
the
ground
for
a
year.
So
I'd
love
to
talk
to
you
offline
about
how
we
can
work
with
the
people
on
the
other
side
of
telegraph,
about
that.
The
other
thing
is
for
for
you
all.
H
Oh,
I
know
it's
a
little
confusing,
but
what
aaron's
office
has
requested
will
be
funded
from
the
same
pot
of
money
where
our
funding
comes
from,
but
we
have
our
own
separate
categories.
Okay,
so
you'll
see
what
she's
requested
in
our
recommended
budget,
but
if
approved
moving
forward
it
will.
You
know
she'll
clearly
be
responsible
for
for
hers
and
will
clearly
be
responsible
for
us,
and
there
will
be
a
way
to
to
track
those
separately.
L
L
H
H
And
it
just
so
happens
that
the
funding
for
those
comes
out
of
this
same
pot
of
money
and
that's
the
pot
of
money
that
we're
discussing
and
that's
why
both
of
our
requests
are
shown
here,
but
categorically
her
her
funding
will
be
separate,
separate
we're
two
okay
like
there's.
No,
we
work
very
very
closely
together
in
everything
that
we
do,
obviously
because
of
the
overlap
there,
but
funding
wise
positions
reporting.
That's
all
completely
separate.
L
A
Okay,
if
there
aren't
any
other
commissioner
questions,
I
had
a
few
you
would
expect.
I
would
I
think,
let's
talk
about
the
courts
first,
I
have
two
questions.
One
is:
is
there
a
plan
to
help
the
probate
court
who
has
come
in
every
year
and
said
we
don't
have
space
and
they
were
just
telling
us
about
how
they're
now
putting
their
records
in
the
basement
and
that's
causing
problems
for
their
people
and
and
so
on.
A
So
are
you
talking
directly
with
the
probate
court
about
their
fut,
their
needs
for
the
future,
or
are
they
just
out
there
again
for
another
year?
You
know
they
come
and
tell
us
about
it,
but
nothing
seems
to
move,
and
I
probably
don't
even
know
what
question
I'm
really
asking.
If
you
know
what
I
mean
yeah.
H
Pro
cause
probate
was
just
in
here,
probing
that
right
yeah.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
not
ignoring
anyone
right
if
they're
suggesting
that
you
know
they've
requested
that
we
look
at
their
space
and
help
them
come
up
with
plans
that
that
is
not
the
case.
Are
they
in
a
situation
where
maybe
they
need
more
space?
H
What
again,
when,
when
covet
arrived
and
and
we
started
taking
a
look
at
all
of
our
spaces,
that
space
became
a
part
of
what
we
looked
at
and
it's
a
part
of
you
know
the
overall
assessment
for
that
building.
H
You
know
I
I
you
know
they've,
never,
as
far
as
I
know
have
come
to
us
with
a
request
and
any
type
of
funding,
to
support
that
and
asked
us
to
do
something
and
we've
told
them
no.
A
So
how
does
that
happen
because
they're
they're
one
group
that's
that
way,
but
I
think
there
are
some
other
groups
that
have
come
to
us
and
said
you
know
we
have
longer
term
needs,
but
so
who
puts
that
plan
together?
Do
is
that
something
you
know
that
they
would
bring
to
you.
Here's
what
we
need
you
know.
Do
they
go,
find
somebody
for
five
grand
to
draw
a
plan
or
or
how
does
that
happen
so.
H
Based
on
those
plans,
a
rough
cost
estimate
a
budget
cost
estimate
would
be
put
together
and
then,
depending
on
the
department,
depending
on
the
situation,
the
next
step
would
be
to
try
to
identify
available
funding.
Sometimes
you
know
the
departments
depending
on
you
know
where
they
fall
in
the
structure
may
be
required
to
to
bring
the
funding.
H
Sometimes
we
can
try
to
fit
that
into
the
capital
improvement
program
if
there's
enough
funding
in
there,
but
you
know
typically
that
that's
how
it
happens
and
and
a
lot
of
times
you
know
we
jason's
group
spends
a
lot
of
time
working
with
departments
and
and
designing
things
that
you
know
that
get
hung
up,
because
you
know
it
doesn't
move
past
the
identifying
the
funding
sort.
You
know
part
of
it.
A
Okay,
so
our
recommendation
would
then
be
to
the
probate
department
to
talk
to
you
about
what
they
think
they
need
and
if
they
haven't
been
talking
with
you,
that's
that's
a
hole.
I
think
that's
a
disconnect
that
hasn't
been
happening
so
we'll
just
I'll
I'll
get
back
to
them
and
say
that
we
did
mention
it
and.
H
And
I
want
to
clarify
too
I
mean
I,
I
don't
want
to
say
that
you
know
they
have
not
communicated
or
reached
out
to
us.
I
mean
I,
I
would
have
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
and
talk
to
jason
and
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
the
requests
that
they've
actually
sent.
I
mean
they
know
very
well
to
contact
us
and
we
have
done
some
improvements
for
them.
H
You
know
many
of
them
small,
but
I
think
what
they're
looking
to
do
is
something
very
large
scale
that
will
have
a
huge
impact
on
their
their
space
over
there,
and
I,
I
think
a
lot
of
it
stems
around
like
what
they're
required
to
to
store
as
far
as
files
right.
So
so
that's
a
very
large
project
and
again
you
know,
admittedly,
we're
not.
H
We're
not
going
to
move
very
quickly
on
a
project
like
that.
Knowing
that
you
know
the
whole
building
has
been
assessed
and
there's
a
lot
of
shells
that
might
have
to
be
moved
around
in
order
to
make
that
happen
right,
I
mean,
I
know,
we've
looked
at
that
space
before
it's
limited,
but
up
until
now
you
know,
we've
been
limited
on
the
available
space
to
actually
allow
them
to
spread
out.
A
H
So
I
can
address
that
april.
Did
you
want
to,
or
do
you
want
me
to
okay?
So
we
have
been
working
with
plant
moran
as
well,
who
has
done
an
in-depth
extensive
study
of
their
existing
space
and,
as
timing
would
have
it.
That
was
also
part
of
the
meeting
and
the
discussion
that
we
had
this
morning
with
the
executive
leadership
team
to
talk
about
what
their
findings
were
and
then
some
potential
options
and
again
that
that
meeting
ended
just
a
few
hours
ago.
H
So
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
it's
been
worked
on
it's
on
our
radar.
It's
definitely
one
of
our
higher
priority
things
that
that
we're
looking
at.
A
Good
good
because
it
comes
up
every
year.
Okay,
I
I'm
not
gonna
delay
this,
because
I
don't
want
us
to
get
behind.
A
Motor
pool
and
electric
charging
stations
and
all
of
that
I'm
just
going
to
throw
that
out
there
that
we
want
to
just
put
in
electric
charging
stations
as
many
as
we
can
as
fast
as
we
can
around
here,
and
if
we
can
find
granting
partnerships
and
that
sort
of
thing.
Let's
do
that
as
well
as
you
know,
converting
the
fleet
to
hybrids
and
all
of
that
as
much
as
we
can
as
quickly
as
we
can.
But
you
all
know
that
and
you're
doing
that.
So
I'm
not
going
to
belabor.
H
H
I
drove
one
over
here
today.
It's
in
in
the
parking
lot.
We
use
the
other
to
deliver
all
of
our
mail
or
pick
up
our
mail
there's
one
at
children's
village.
I
believe
we
have
five
charging
stations.
You
know
we
are
limited
right
now
on
the
availability
of
evs
and
the
other
hurdle
is
simply
being
able
to
to
acquire
evs
that
meet
our
needs
right.
We
have
some
pretty
heavy
equipment
todd.
I
think
you
mentioned
that
there
are
none
right
now
that
are
rated
for
patrol
for
pursuit.
J
H
A
large
portion
of
our
fleet
is,
of
course,
the
sheriff's
office
and
then,
as
far
as
the
charging
stations
you
know,
we
were
are
working
on
a
comprehensive
plan.
You
know
we
just
don't
want
a
one
onesie
twosie
it.
There
are
many
different
charging
stations
out
there,
we've
been
exploring
all
of
the
different
options,
we're
putting
together
a
campus
wide
plan
for
it,
and
I
just
want
to
mention
too.
Even
if
someone
gave
me
a
huge
pot
of
money
today
and
said
you
know
start
putting
in
these
charging
stations.
H
There
are.
There
are
challenges
right,
so
you
know
we're
working
very
closely
with
aaron.
You
know
we
have
really
large
sustainability
goals
that
we're
working
towards,
which
would
include
electrifying
many
of
our
buildings
right,
any
new
construction
that
we're
doing
our
renovations,
we're
actually
electrifying
them,
because
it's
the
most
efficient
and
best
for
the
environment.
H
H
Can
our
infrastructure
support
that
and
that
there's
going
to
be
some
hurdles
there?
So
I
can
assure
you
that
we
are
working
on
it
very
extensively.
It's
a
very
high
priority.
We
share
the
same
feelings
you
do
and
we're
working
towards
that.
We
wish
it
could
happen
quicker,
but
there's
a
lot
of
behind
the
scenes,
things
that
have
to
be
done
in
a
very
thoughtful
way.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
have
any
other
questions
that
I
think
we
couldn't
do
offline.
So
with
that,
I
am
going
to
thank
you
all
for
coming
and
for
the
work
that
you
do
and
oh
marsha
wanted
me
to
remember.
To
do
one
thing,
thank
you
and
she's
right,
and
that
is
first
of
all
I
wanted
to
say
I
thought
the
grounds
look
really
beautiful
coming
in
here.
The
last
few
days
I
they're
just
really
great
and
especially
to
mark
that
we
love
the
rose
garden
about
two
weeks
ago.
A
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
am
calling
the
meeting
of
the
board
of
commissioners
back
to
order
everything
we
do
and
our
next
organization
to
come
before
us
for
the
budget
hearings
is
our
very
own
favorite
florida
commissioners,
so
patty
dibb,
our
chief
of
staff,
is
going
to
fill
us
in
on
all
the
good
stuff
from
the
board
of
commissioners.
This
year,.
M
Absolutely
thank
you,
so
I
just
wanted
to
start
by
saying
the
last
time
I
was
here
a
year
ago
I
was
pretty
new
on
board,
so
I
had
only
been
here
since
april
and
kyle
had
asked
me
to
prepare
last
year's
budget
like
the
within
the
first
two
weeks
that
I
was
actually
on
board.
So
I
appreciated
his
patience
with
me
and
your
patients
with
me
and
I
feel
a
lot
more
confident
presenting
to
you
this
year.
M
I've
had
my
job
described
as
akin
to
an
air
traffic
controller,
a
trained
person
who
conducts
trains,
but
I
like
to
think
of
it
as
a
bridge,
so
I
feel
like
I'm
the
bridge
between
the
staff
and
commissioners
and
maybe
the
commission
and
the
public.
So
I
enjoy
my
job
and
I
really
have
to
thank
all
of
you
for
being
welcoming
and
open
and
giving
me
a
little
bit
of
a
pass
when
I'm
maybe
thinking
of
a
different
situation.
M
You
know
and
utilizing
my
knowledge
from
there,
but
it's
been
a
really
productive
year
and
I
appreciate
all
your
patience
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
staff,
because
they're
great
they
literally
adapted
to
a
person
who
was
radically
different
than
what
they
were
used
to
just
by
very
nature
of
everything
and
a
new
style
and
they
just
rolled
with
it.
They
gave
me
assistance
and
hopefully,
I've,
given
them.
M
Assistance
and
they've
been
open
to
learning
and
open
to
change,
as
have
all
of
you,
because
just
look
in
front
of
you
look
how
far
we've
come
last
year,
I
I
previewed
in
a
month
we're
going
to
be
all
electronic
we're
going
to
be
voting
by
devices
and
all
of
you
went
what
and
look
at
this
now
prompt
the
vote.
That's
no
big
deal,
you
know
exactly
what
to
do
and
it's
working
great
and
we
have
our
vote
display
in
the
board
room
and
you're
coming
along.
M
So
great
and
really
that
was
a
big
learning
curve,
and
I
think
I
told
you
at
this
time
last
year.
Don't
worry
everything
will
be
okay
and
it'll.
Take
us
a
year
and
we're
not
even
two
a
year
and
look
how
great
you're
doing
so,
I'm
just
really
really
proud
of
everyone
and
again
a
shout
out
to
the
staff
as
well,
because
they've
embraced
the
team
concept,
which
is
what
I'm
all
about
and
they're
just
wonderful
staff.
M
So
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
out
there
and
let
everyone
know
how
much
they're
appreciated
both
you
as
commissioners
and
the
staff
as
well.
So
I'll
just
briefly
go
over
the
past
year.
We've
done
a
lot
of
clarification
of
what
we're
doing.
Why
we're
doing
it
and
streamlining
our
processes
and
also
kind
of
getting
our
processes
down
on
paper,
so
that
there
can
be
again
with
the
team
concept.
You
know
if
someone
is
out
nothing's
going
to
slip
through
the
cracks,
because
we
can
cover
those
things
that
that
need
to
be
done.
M
Always
we,
as
I
mentioned,
adopted
our
county-wide
agenda
management
system,
this
board
staff
trained
the
entire
county,
so
it
was
not
we
didn't
bring.
Anyone
in
from
the
outside.
We
didn't
depend
upon
I.t.
We
did
it
ourselves.
So
that
means
that
every
single
person
who
is
utilizing
civic
clerk
and
that's
everybody,
because
that's
how
we
receive
our
items-
they
have
been
traded
by
someone
on
this
board
staff.
So
our
staff
again
has
been
amazing,
they've,
become
experts
on
this
new
system
and
we're
really
doing
well.
M
We've
also
reimagined
our
board
space,
so
you've
seen
that,
as
you
entered
from
the
side
entrance,
you
kind
of
peek
in
my
office,
I've
now
come
up
into
the
21st
century,
which
is
exciting
and
we
have
more
in
store.
So
we've
completed
phase
one
of
what
we
imagined
to
be
the
the
new
look
of
the
boc,
so
we
are
actually
leading
kind
of
the
county
with
our
concept
of
having
shared
space.
M
Some
people
might
call
us
guinea
pigs,
but
I
like
to
say
we're
first
adopters,
so
we're
doing
really
great
with
that
and
the
staff
again
is
being
very
adaptable
and
open
and
cooperative
and
collaborative
so
we're
coming
along
great,
so
the
year
ahead,
I'll
just
move
to
that
the
requested
four
percent
cuts
were
made
last
year,
so
we
were
not
required
to
make
any
additional
cuts
and
I
believe
that
a
budget
should
be
an
action
plan.
So
in
our
budget,
which
was
it's
as
presented
to,
you
is
how
it
was
requested.
M
So
we
did
not
dip
into
general
funds
for
any
additional
funding
and
we
were
able
to
achieve
what
we
want
to
do
in
the
upcoming
year
by
reallocation
of
current
funding.
So
our
budget
supports
the
pursuit
of
our
goals
that
were
submitted,
and
I
think
you
all
have
those
goals
listed
out.
One
two
and
three
goal:
one
was
supporting
commissioners
goal:
two
was
supporting
staff
in
development
and
professional
growth
and
goal
three
was
expanding
our
reach
and
our
public
engagement
and
access.
M
So
our
plans
are
there
to
utilize.
They
exist
within
the
budget
as
presented
the
lrc.
The
legal
resources
center
will
have
its
final
sunset
on
june
30th
in
2023,
and
we
have
one
remaining
employee.
She
has
been
doing
other
stuff
as
well.
So
talk
about
adaptable.
Someone
who
spent
an
entire
career
in
one
mode
has
really
expanded
and
provided
a
lot
of
assistance
to
us
so,
but
she
will
retire
actually
in
six
months
june
30th.
M
The
space
revamping
is
just
about
done
so
that
kind
of
adds
to
our
available
space,
but
we
also
gave
some
space
from
lrc
to
the
indigent
defense,
so
pete
menace
team
in
the
funding
from
the
lrc
was
reallocated
to
support
the
boc
goals.
M
M
I
we
did
raise
their
funding
allocation,
but
it
wasn't
quite
enough
to
support
this
request.
So
I
would
just
ask
that
you
consider
amending
our
budget
during
budget
wrap
up
to
support
this
request,
which
is
to
expand
reach
and
information
into
the
communities.
So
if
you
would
want
to
review
that
and
consider
that
and
then
our
board
special
projects
line
item
is
351
266
and
then,
if
you
wanted
to
do
what
had
been
done
for
this
year's
budget,
you
would
consider
maybe
an
additional
allocation.
M
Oh
glad
you
asked
so
we
have
submitted
a
plan
to
hr
which
has
been
approved
and
what
we
will
have
is
five
day
a
week
coverage
always
for
our
offices,
but
it
will
look
different
because
we'll
have
rotating
employees.
M
You've
noticed
that
I've
mentioned
collaborative
workspace,
and
so
we
have
some
employees
who
are
committing
to
a
three
day
a
week.
Work
plan.
So
that's
three
days
a
week
on
site:
well
their
five
day
work
plan,
but
three
days
on
site,
and
that
means
they
will
have
a
dedicated
workspace
and
those
employees
who
are
committing
to
two
days
a
week
and
again
this
is
on
average,
because
sometimes
our
you
know,
circumstances
will
require
everyone
to
be
on
site
all
week
long.
M
G
Like
I've
done
with
you
yep
so
just
to
share
with
my
commissioners,
I've
come
in.
I've
sat
with
patti,
I
said:
hey,
I'm
drowning.
I
need
some
help
and
assistance
and
she
will
let
me
know
what
they
can
help
with
what
they
can't
help
with.
She
takes
it
off
my
hands.
She
distributes
them
on
the
staff
and
it's
a
straight
execution
for
me.
So
thank
you
and
the
staff
know
I
appreciate
them.
They
know
I
support
them
because
again,
I'm
gonna
say
it
again:
I'm
supporting
staff
first.
G
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
that
is
my
two
questions
that
I
have.
B
Okay,
commissioner,
long
okay,
do
you
have
some
of
this
budget?
So
just
on
the
professional
services,
the
one
year
we
actually
spent
60
that
was
covet
68
000..
What
is
it
up
to
now
388?
What
what
is
included
in
that
for
professional
services?
I
can
tell
you
the
line
item.
It's
731,
458,
page
186.,.
B
B
M
E
B
M
Yeah
and
we're
going
to
cover
our
av
support
services
through
professional
services.
It's
our
legal
services.
B
A
Well,
okay,
commissioner:
cabell
yeah
same.
L
L
B
M
C
F
Hi
this
is
hebrew,
and
some
of
the
for
the
special
projects
that
were
performed
last
year
were
due
to
like
cares
act
activity
for,
like
maybe
the
the
touchless
bottle
stations
in
the
high
schools.
You
know
the
school
breakfast
program.
L
F
Welcoming
week
so
there's
several
special
projects
that
were
performed
last
year
and
that's
why,
and
you
know,
a
lot
of
that
was
appropriation
from
cares,
act,
money
and
that's.
Why
you're,
seeing
like
a
large
drop
in
special
projects
from
last
year's
actuals
for
fiscal
21
and
comparing
it
to
like
fiscal
22
and
the
recommended
budget
is
because
most
of
the
special
projects
are
usually
appropriations
lately
from
either
cares
or
arp
or
from
non-departmental.
L
Okay,
gotcha:
I
hope
that
helped
yeah,
thank
you
and
then
I
like
the
leading
questions
from
the
staff,
because
it's
our
staff
that
wrote
these
so
how
much
of
a
pay
raise
can
no
wait.
Sorry!
M
Yeah,
that's
right,
that's
a
goal
and
that
has
been
accounted
for
in
our
budget,
but
just
so
you
know
that
we
do
have
well
pam
graduated
from
leadership
oakland
and
we
have
others,
which
is
a
great
thing,
she's
also
a
parliament,
national
parliamentarian.
M
So
I
mean
that's
great.
We've
got
mike
actually
doing
the
naco
leadership
academy
right
now.
Okay
and
we've
got
mike
this
mic.
We
have
that
mike
is
a
member
of
the
government
financial
officers
association.
M
M
We
have
others
who
are
either
already
or
about
to
be
enrolled
in
some
professional
organizations
to
not
only
gain
knowledge
you
know
for
for
them,
but
also
to
represent
oakland
county
and
the
staff
has
been
participating
more
in
some
regional
groups.
The
tri-county
summit
planning
committee,
some
cog
mac,
we're
utilizing
those
different
organizations
that
we're
already
members
of
and
we've
got
an
internal
promotion
policy
now
and
hoping
to
be
able
to
help
people
advance
within
our
department
in
different
ways.
M
No,
as
requested
is
how
it's
presented
we
were
able
to
shift
around
within
you
know
because
of
the
closing
of
the
lrc,
so
we
were
able
to
real,
allocate
and
divert
some
of
those
funding.
So
so
we
really
stayed
within
budget.
The
only
thing
is
that
I
didn't
have
the
information
about
the
historical
commission
request,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
so
that's
not
included,
so
that
would
require
an
amendment
and
then,
if
you
were
going
to
consider
doing
the
million
dollar
non-departmental
special
projects
thing.
So
that's
not
here.
I
Okay,
just
one
concern
of
mine
when
I
came
to
the
board
here
in
2010,
they
used
to
have
a
department
directory
that
listed
everybody
in
the
county,
and
we
don't
have
that
anymore
and
and
I
being
a
person
that
is
not
tech
savvy
that
can
go
to
the
website
and
find
a
phone
number
or
do
this,
or
do
that.
I
M
I
could
check
into
it.
I
know
the
clerk
provides
their
directory,
but
you're
thinking
something
more
comprehensive,
like
with
employee
names
and
numbers
yeah.
I
M
Okay,
so
maybe
like
a
quick
reference
list
like
for
for
key
department
yeah,
we
can
look
into
that
and
yeah
sure
I'll
make
a
note.
G
G
A
C
M
Love
to
answer
that
we
have
a
decreased
footprint
and
we
well.
We
relinquished
some
space
in
the
lrc,
but
also
in
the
troy
office
to
somebody
else
who
was
going
to
use
it
more
often,
so
we
have
also
decommissioned
a
lot
of
equipment
that
was
unnecessary
and
not
really
being
used.
So
we've
done
that
less
paper,
less
energy
use
with
our
hybrid
work
policy.
We
keep
people
off
the
roads
and
we're
using
virtual
meetings
more.
C
I
think
that's
it.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
person.
I
did
want
to
mention
because
I've
talked
to
patty
about
this
already,
but
I
didn't
bring
it
to
your
attention
but
to
what
has
just
been
said
about
accessibility
on
our
website,
and
I
don't
mean
like
ada
accessibility,
I'm
talking
about
in
terms
of
I
wonder
what,
where
to
find
information
about
this,
and
so,
for
example,
someone
called
me
from
valdosta
georgia
about
our
regulations
and
policies
about
environmental
projects
like
so
who
do
they
need
to
talk
with,
and
I
was
like.
C
Oh
I'm
sure,
that's
easy
to
find.
So
I
started
looking
on
the
web
on
our
site
and
it
wasn't,
and
so
I
mean
our
only
teeth-
that
we
have
are
our
resolutions,
our
various
things
that
we
voted
on
and
I
just
would
love
to
see
us
allocate
what's
necessary.
Patty's
fully
aware
of
my
dismay
with
that,
and
then
I
mentioned
it
in
edi
today
about
time
stamps
because-
and
I
know
we
talked
about
it-
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
you
know
there's
when
you
add
stuff
to
a
website.
C
C
I
know
if
I'm
having
a
hard
time
identifying
what
and
when
then,
of
course
the
community
is
too
so
that's
something
I
think
comes
in
under
our
wheelhouse
either
that
or
the
clerk,
but
I
still
don't
know
who
who
leads
that
so
just
push
putting
that
out
there.
M
Do
you
mind
if
I
no
please?
Oh
okay,
so
internally,
we
have
that
addressed
when
you
go
in
through
board
view
through
the
commissioner
view,
but
we
can
look
about.
We
can
look
into.
You
know
doing
some
sort
of
fix
for
that,
and
then
for
the
codification
of
resolutions
and
proclamations.
M
We
have
a
project
in
that
was
just
ranked
on
monday
with
the
it
team
how
they
do
their
projects,
and
there
is
a
cloud-based
system
that
I'm
super
familiar
with.
M
What
was
what
happened
with
it
and
how,
when
you
know
how
everything
happened
with
it,
so
so
that
is
very
close
to
being
done.
M
A
And
how
can
we
be
more
timely
about
getting
information
out
there
that
we
can
share
because
sometimes,
like
we'll
get
a
letter
or
we'll
get
an
email
that
says
this
great
thing
has
happened
that
the
board
has
done,
but
to
really
convert
it
to
you
know,
let's
throw
it
on
social
media,
it's
not
coming
necessarily
in
the
right
format.
Now
I
know
some
of
what
comes
out
is
we'll
get
a
letter
that
says.
A
You
know,
synergies
from
your
organization
and
theirs
and
all
of
what
they
have
available,
and
you
know,
educate
the
public
kinds
of
stuff
on
things
that
are
important
to
us
right
and
what
does
the
board
of
commissioners
do?
How
many
of
you
have
knocked
a
door
where
somebody
said
well?
What's
the
commissioner
all
the
time,
because
people.
A
But
we're
doing
a
lot
and
we're
spending
a
lot
of
money
and
we're
making
difference
in
the
community.
I'm
just
not
sure
we're
there
yet
with
how
easy
it
is
for
each
of
us
to
take
what
we've
done
and
communicate
it
marketing
marketing.
What
we're
doing!
I,
I
think,
there's
a
lot.
We
could
a
lot
more.
We
could
do
so.
M
So
our
communication
staff
should
be
considered
the
central
hub
for
us
and
then
they,
sarah
and
her
team.
You
know
as
needed
for
graphics,
assistance
or
other
other
type
of
outreach.
They
can
contact
the
the
opc
and
they
are,
you
know
in
they
participate
in
weekly
meetings
and
so
they're
very
in
with
that
team
as
well.
You
should
have
received
today.
M
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
been
a
goal
of
sarah
and
her
team
to
constantly
try
and
improve
things,
so
you
will
have
received
a
survey
as
to
what
you
think
you
know
just
what
you
think
about
certain
things
is
the
questionnaire.
M
So
so
it's
good
timing,
because
that
was
you
will
have
received
it
earlier
today
in
your
email,
and
so
I
hope
you
do.
You
know
answer
that
or
speak
with
sarah
talk
to
her,
but
yeah
we're
constantly
trying
to
educate
the
public,
and
that
is
one
of
the
goals
of
our
all.
The
staff
is
to
make
sure
that
the
public
knows
the
important
job
and
duty
of
the
board
of
commissioners
and
to
constantly
try
to
get
that
word
out.
M
G
Commissioner
powell,
just
to
piggyback
on
the
marketing
piece
I
have
before
requested,
like,
for
example,
state
reps,
pass
a
bill
and
it's
a
post
that'll
be
created
like
hey.
This
state
rep
secured
this
amount
of
money
for
this
project
and
it's
literally
boom
boom
boom.
Just
three
with
your
face
on
it
state
the
state
house
does
that
for
their
their
team.
So
I've
asked
about
it,
and
that's
just
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
visit
in
having
us
do
when
we
secure,
or
we
have
projects
that
we
have.
G
You
know
we
secure
funding.
Are
we
helping
county-wide
it's
something
that
we
all
can
post
on
our
social
medias
and
then
shoot
I
spaced
on
one
other
thing,
but
just
overall
with
the
marketing?
What
is
it
that
our
staff
will
be
able
to
do?
G
G
I
know
we
do
the
online
thing,
but
is
there
a
mailer
I've
asked
about
this
before
that
we
could
send
out
either
once
or
twice
a
year
for
our
districts
just
to
kind
of
again
enlighten
the
public
on
what
we
do,
because
they
don't
know
and
if
and
if
miller
is
too
much
then
can
we
get
them
individual
postings
that
at
least
we
can
periodically
put
on
our
page
to
say
you
know
we
secured
this.
We
did
this
or
this
is
going
on
or
call
to
action.
G
I
don't
know,
but
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
I
know
for
a
fact
that
state
reps
do.
Yes,
they
get
a
bigger
budget
and
all
of
this,
but
for
the
most
part
I
think
that
some
of
that
stuff
can
be
implemented
implemented
here
to
help
on
a
marketing
phase.
For
all
of
us.
M
And
we
actually
did
build
some
additional
funding
into
the
budget
coming
up
for
planned
facebook,
ads
and
other
communication
vehicles,
so
that
will
be
addressed
and
it's
been
built
in
there
specifically
for
those
communication
needs
got
it.
Thank
you.
G
G
C
B
A
Okay,
anybody
else,
I
think,
that's
all
I
had
for
you.
A
A
Welcome
to
the
sheriff's
department.
You
are
the
last
group
we're
talking
to
today
before
our
board
meeting,
which
is
going
to
be
lively.
I'm
sure
so
you
are
scheduled
for
35
minutes,
we're
going
to
try
and
stick
to
that.
But
you
know
you'll
have
a
few
minutes
to
make
a
presentation
to
us
about
where
you're
at
right
now
and
what
you
want
to
tell
us
and
then
I'll
open
it
up
to
questions
from
the
group.
So
welcome.
Please
introduce
yourselves
and
because
we
are
on
the
air
and
all
that.
K
Well,
thank
you.
Man
of
chair,
I'm
mike
bouchard,
the
oakland
county
sheriff.
We've
got
our
undersheriff
trials
and
the
person
with
the
most
brains
at
the
table
on
our
side.
You
guys
have
all
the
brain
power,
but
here
she's
got
to
be
gay.
She
keeps
us
in
line
and
and
make
sure
our
numbers
match.
So
we.
K
We're
super
lucky
to
have
her
to
our
team:
she's,
smart
and
capable
and
sweats
bullets
over
everything,
so
we're
trying
not
to
ever
have
a
breakdown
these
days
because
she
worked
so
hard
and
we
got
an
amazing
team.
That's
here.
Obviously,
we've
got
the.
I
presume.
I
don't
know
if
the
camera
goes
over
there
or
not,
but
we've
got
major
wand,
rack,
major
perry
and
captain
schneider
is
here
as
well.
Welcome,
so
I'll
try
to
abbreviate.
So
you
know
leave
more
time
for
questions.
Obviously,
last
budget
we
worked
with
the
administration.
K
K
We
were
asked
to
talk
a
bit
about
our
top
goals,
so
the
top
goals
that
we
kind
of
envisioned.
You
probably
heard
this
before
training
center
dispatch
center.
You
know
I've
said
this
a
lot,
but
you
know
you've
seen
terrible
police
outcomes
around
the
country,
sometimes
in
their
interactions
with
the
community
and
sometimes
on
their
response
to
tragic
events
and
whether
it's
minneapolis
or
whether
it's
uvalde
in
the
end
of
the
day,
a
lot
of
that's
training
and
it's
hiring.
K
So
if
we
hire
better
and
train
better,
we
get
better
police
outcomes,
obviously
we're
humans
and
we're
always
going
to
have
some
outcomes
that
aren't
what
we
hoped
in
the
kind
of
business
that
we're
in
where
there's
split.
Second
decisions
made,
but
better
hiring,
better
training,
so
hiring
is
a
huge
challenge
for
us.
We're
still
down
tremendously
we're
still
forcing
a
lot
of
overtime.
K
K
I
have
no
predictability
with
our
kids
and
with
my
life
and
so
we're
pushing
hard,
and
we
appreciate
the
commission's
support
to
help
us
on
that
front,
because
we
want
to
help
our
people
in
this
not
only
dealing
with
terribly
stressful
times
the
added
stress
of
of
having
to
work
a
lot
of
overtime
constantly
for
the
last
two
years
has
been
an
incredible
stressful
thing,
and
I
can't
tell
you:
I've
never
been
more
prouder
of
people
to
work
with
in
my
life
than
watching
them
go
through
these
last
two
years,
so
training
center
and
in
a
state-of-the-art
dispatch
center
poc,
whether
it's
co-located
or
not,
that'll
all
be
up
to
you
all,
whether
we
and
how
we
do
this,
but
a
training
center
we've
never
had
a
purposefully
built
training
center
in
the
history
of
oakland
county
and
again,
if
you
look
at,
for
example,
where
oxford's
juxtaposed
between
parkland
and
uvalde
and
that's
a
training
issue,
that's
a
policy
issue.
K
They
have
to
have
the
policy
that
says
they
have
to
respond
in
a
certain
way.
Our
policy
is
you,
go
in
there's
no
hesitation,
no
delay
find
the
threat
period
if
you're
alone
or
if
you're
in
two
or,
if
you're
in
fours,
doesn't
matter
go
in.
It
comes
with
our
job.
That's
what
our
folks
are
trained
to.
Do,
that's
what
they
did
and
when
you
put
it
in
the
middle
between
parkland,
where
they
didn't
in
uvalde,
where
they
didn't.
We
all
saw
the
terrible
outcome.
K
We
lost
tragically
four
amazing
souls
at
oxford,
but
he
still
had
18
live
rounds
and
based
on
everything
that
I've
seen
that
will
probably
come
out
during
trial.
He
would
have
continued
until
we
did
confront
him,
so
I'm
convinced
that
they
saved
lives
that
day
so
training
center,
where
we
can
push
him
more
push
them
harder
and
if
they
make
a
mistake,
they
make
it
in
training
and
we
go
again.
K
You
know
you
saw
that
tragedy
where
the
woman
police
officer
said
taser,
taser,
taser
and
then
shot
and
killed
a
man,
so
she
in
her
head.
That's
what
that's
what
we
say
when
we,
when
you're
going
to
deploy
a
taser,
you
you
let
everyone
know
by
saying
taser,
taser
taser,
I'm
deploying
a
taser,
so
obviously
in
her
head,
she
thought
I'm
about
to
deploy
my
taser
and
she
had
her
firearm.
K
That's
training!
Where
do
you
have
it
on
your
belt?
How
do
you
differentiate?
How
do
you
verify
what
you
have
in
your
hand
before
you
present
training,
training,
training,
terrible
tragedy
lost
life
and
on
both
levels?
You
know
the
person
that
was
shot
and
the
woman
that
shot
that
person
will
obviously
never
be
the
same.
So
number
one
training,
center
dispatch
center,
recruiting
and
retention,
which
I
already
kind
of
spoke
to.
That's
our
number.
K
You
know
I
say
number
two,
but
it's
really.
You
know
they're
all
neck
and
neck.
Our
people
are
our
most
important
commodity.
If
we
don't
take
care
of
our
people,
then
you
know
shame
on
us
and
shame
on
me
in
particular,
so
recruiting
and
retention
to
make
sure
that
we
give
them
an
environment
that
has
that
training
and
the
tools
so
that
they
can
come
home
at
night
and
to
give
them
an
environment
where
they
feel
valued,
appreciated
and
not
like
constantly
forced
into
work
and
not
have
a
personal
life.
K
You
know
we
think
it's
important
for
folks
folks
to
have
a
balance
that
they
have
a
life
outside
of
here,
number
three,
that
equipment
and
training
keeps
coming
back,
but
to
respond
to
all
threats
in
all
hazards.
We've
got
a
lot
of
equipment,
that's
aging
and
obviously,
there's
been
a
lot
of
new
developments
and
threats
that
you've
seen
around
the
country
tragically
in
highland
park
outside
of
chicago,
where
a
rooftop
shooter
took
on
a
parade.
K
K
L
K
K
Milford
they've
already
requested
aviation
support
for
a
number
of
events
in
the
very
near
future,
so
we're
trying
to
figure
that
all
out,
because,
as
you
know,
we
have
one
helicopter
down
how
to
you
know
cycle
crews
within
that
aircraft
and
keep
them
on
the
task
that
we've
been
requested
by
these
local
police
departments
and
then,
of
course,
at
dream
crews.
K
You
know.
Typically,
we
have
had
always
one
chopper
in
the
air
running
for
that
kind
of
threat
and
other
kinds
of
threats.
Now
again,
since
one
helicopter
is
down
we're
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
rotate
and
hot
swap
the
crews
and
how
we
keep
air
coverage,
why
we're
doing
that
hot
swap
will
probably
intermingle
drones
so
that
we
still
keep
eyes
on
and
make
sure
that
no
threats
are
developing
so
that
obviously
plays
into
the
equipment
kind
of
thing.
K
You
know
we're
now
actively
looking
at
how
we
move
forward
with
20
plus
year
old
aircraft,
and
you
know
what
what's
the
best
path
forward,
because
these
threats
are
getting.
You
know,
sadly,
worse
than
than
better
on
many
levels
and
it's
interplaying.
These
aircraft
now
are
interplaying.
K
We
I
was
out
at
a
search
and
rescue
in
in
highland,
at
the
request
of
milford
and
tragically,
it
turned
out
to
be
a
suicide,
but
we
were
out
there
with,
I
don't
know,
probably
seven
or
eight
atvs
and
probably
seven
dogs,
and
we
had
horses
on
the
way
and
and
helicopter
and
drones,
and
you
know
the
the
wife
of
the
decedent.
You
know
just
as
I
hugged
her.
K
She
just
said
just
find
him,
and
you
know
it's
you
hope
to
catch
people
before
they
are
in
that
situation
or
prevent
it
from
getting
there.
But
when
it
once
it
gets
there,
you
try
to
save
them
before
it
happens,
and
if
you
can
at
the
very
least
you
got
to
find
them
so
through
the
great
efforts
of
our
team
about
two
in
the
morning
or
so
I
didn't
have
my
watch
with
me.
K
I
was
out
there,
but
we
we
found
him,
but
it
was
tragically,
he
was
deceased,
had
taken
his
own
life.
So
you
know
those
are
the
kind
of
assets
that
we're
deploying.
I
don't
know
if
we
got
an
update
on
the
search
and
rescue
is
up
dramatically.
We're
getting
requests
all
across
the
county
for
a
variety
of
things
from
suicidal
subjects
seems
to
be
spiking.
K
You
know
all
across
the
county,
people
going
off
into
the
woods
and
they're
suicidal
those
have
been
almost
a
regular
occurrence
where
search
and
rescue
gets
called
out
for
suicidal
subjects.
We've
been
able
to
find
some
and
get
them
in
to
help
before
they
actually
committed
suicide.
So
that's
been
positive,
but
you
know
maybe
it's
the
time.
K
Maybe
it's
the
tension
that
people
are
feeling
suicides
just
seem
to
be
an
everyday
event
that
we're
dealing
with
and
and
a
lot
of
times
they
go
out
into
the
wilderness
and
then
obviously,
you've
got
alzheimer's
patients,
we're
seeing
more
of
those
that
you
know
walked
away
and
lost
kids.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
numbers
are,
but
we'll
get
them
to
you
at
some
point.
But
search
and
rescue
is
up
dramatically
and
we've
been
growing
that
team
and
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
things.
K
I
met
with
general
rogers
he's
a
two-star
commander
of
michigan
and
in
the
international
garden
national
guard,
and
they
actually
have
a
rubber
rubble
pile
training
center
at
camp
grayling.
So
I
just
was
up
with
them
recently
during
some
of
their
exercise
and
looking
at
where
there
are
training
opportunities
for
our
people
that
are
unique
and
that's
one
of
those
things
so
we'll
probably
be
utilizing
the
the
robopile
kind
of
training
going
forward
with
search
and
rescue
and
possibly
adding
a
dog
that
could
help
us
find
somebody
in
a
variety
of
situations
can.
K
So
after
9
11,
you
saw
obviously
live
on
tv.
A
lot
of
us
went
to
new
york
and
we
worked
the
rubble,
pile
okay,
moving
buckets
and
there
were
people
in
there.
Potentially
you
know,
hopefully
at
that
point
alive,
but
there
were
none.
Eventually,
it
became
more
a
recovery
than
a
rescue,
but
you
got
to
find
them
in
any
event,
and
so
rescue
teams,
technical
rescue
teams
and
search
and
rescue
teams
have
the
ability
to
to
do
certain
things.
K
They're
trained,
potentially
can
bring
us
some
federal
grants
to
where
we
can
be
a
regional
asset
for
an
emergency.
If
you
have
a
tornado
and
it
runs
through-
let's
say
you
know:
god
forbid
the
big
building
in
downtown
pontiac
and
you
got
a
rubble,
pile
and
people
are
in
there.
You
got
to
find
out
where
they
are
and
get
to
them,
and
it's
search
and
rescue
team.
It's
a
rescue
team
and
that
probably
going
to
be
a
specialized
dog.
K
A
combination
of
that
so
that
that's
kind
of
some
of
our
focus
is
to
be
better
trained
and
better
prepared
in
an
increasingly
dangerous
time.
I
mean
so
updates
body,
worn
cameras,
we're
expecting
delivery,
hopefully
fairly
soon,
staff
members
have
already
attended
the
training
deployment
will
begin
as
soon
as
it
arrives
soon,
as
it's
possible
submitted
another
grant
application.
K
K
One
thing
we
have
kind
of
learned
through
covet
is
that
we
keep.
We
relied
a
lot
on
jail
inmates
for
essential
services,
and
so
we
learned
through
covid.
We
can't
necessarily
count
on
that
because
during
covet
everybody
had
to
be
segregated
and
locked
in
place.
Any
movement,
our
health
department
and
the
cdc
was
a
no
go,
obviously
because
the
potential
to
spread
throughout
the
building-
and
so
people
that
used
to
be
in
jail
were
very
much
part
of
our
program
to
be
in
the
kitchen
working
or
sometimes
at
the
dog,
shelter
or
community
events.
K
None
of
that
can't
have
it
anymore
to
be
predictable
and
reliable,
so
probably
going
forward.
You
know,
as
we
look
at
some
of
the
contracts
we
have,
especially
the
food
services
contract
that
was
built
into
the
aramark
contract,
that
they
had
a
certain
number
of
people
that
would
be
assisting
them
with
food
prep
and
the
delivery
process.
K
But
I
would
say
our
team
and
air
mark
throughout
the
pandemic,
from
march
of
18
2020
to
april
14
22,
they
served
almost
2
million
meals,
not
one
meal
was
missed
in
the
jail
and
there
were
times
when
that
was
a
struggle.
Because,
again
you
can't
be
cooking
hot
meals,
necessarily
in
the
kitchen,
and
you
can't
be
moving
it
throughout
the
facility.
K
The
actual
number
was
1
million
hundred
and
eight
meals.
That's
that's
a
pretty
herculean
effort,
so
obviously
that
contract
will
be
coming
up.
It's
probably
going
to
be
out
on
the
street
the
rp
in
the
very
near
future,
and
so
we'll
see
you
know
what
companies
come
back.
K
K
We
moved
to
inmate
tablets
and
inmate
video
visitation
and
a
host
of
things
that
helped
and
was
critical
during
covent
to
lessen
movement
and
contact,
and
so
that
proceeded
really
well,
the
revenue
from
that,
as
you
know,
goes
to
fiscal
services
and
not
to
our
budget.
So
in
case
somebody,
I
think
asked
that
question
where's
that
revenue
goes.
It
goes
to
fiscal
services,
that's
kind
of
I
don't
want
to
prattle
on.
I
know
there'll
be
a
lot
of
questions,
but.
A
B
Well,
thank
you
for
coming
and
you
you
know,
I'm
a
huge
support,
supporter
of
the
sheriff,
the
deputies
lieutenants.
You
know
you
guys
do
a
great
job.
So
the
one
thing
is
you
had
your
budget
cut
last
year,
so
you're
tasked
you
didn't
have
one
this
year,
then
right.
We.
K
Had
we
had
a
test,
we
came
up
with
some
things
that
we,
you
know,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
fat.
So
some
of
the
things
we
suggested
we
worked
with
the
administration
and
they
went
all
right.
Let's
work
through
that
and
not
do
the
complete
task
in
that
way.
Do
it
a
different
way,
and
so
we
met
what
the
administration
was.
B
Looking
for
good,
and
then
I
know
you,
the
one
helicopter
is
down
how
how
much
I
remember
you
guys
saying
how
much
it
would
take
to
repair
that
and
do
we
have
two
pilots
yeah.
K
Have
one
flying
right
now,
because
the
other
one's
texas
still
going
through
the
process
of
determining
how
bad
is
the
damage
which
okay
they've,
given
us
a
preliminary
number?
But
they
won't
know
until
they
open
things
like
gearboxes
and
okay.
So
in
any
event,
they're
20
year
old
aircraft,
and
they
also
informed
us
that
they're
no
longer
going
to
do
the
training
necessary
for
certification
at
eurocopter.
On
that
style.
K
B
K
K
Need
to
so
we're
looking
at
whether
a
replacement
of
a
eurocopter
or
bell
and
who's
got
the
best.
You
know
financing
or
you
know.
How
can
we
do
that?
We
think
there's
going
to
be
the
potential
that
you
know
the
older,
the
aircraft,
the
more
maintenance
and
the
increased
cost
for
hourly
operation.
A
newer
aircraft
has
lower
maintenance
and
lower
hourly
cost,
but
they
have
acquisition
costs
so
we're
hoping
to
have
that
bubble
be
somewhere
around
not
too
far
out
of
the
ballpark,
where
we're
operating
now.
Okay,.
B
K
Well,
both
of
them
for
safety
reasons,
I
think
you
know-
are
going
to
have
to
be
retired
and
so
we're
looking
at.
What's
the
best
way
to
do
that
and
not
interrupt
operational
coverage
in
the
meantime,
as
I
said
now,
we've
had
a
huge
increase
in
requests
from
police
departments
and
the
ones
that
I
just
named
off
have
asked
for
significant
coverage
in
before
the
year's
out.
Okay,.
G
I
have
two
questions.
One
is:
is
there
any
like
law
for?
If
you
know
somebody
not,
are
we
using
drones
if
someone
tried
to
like
shoot
them
down
or
destroy
them
or
anything
while
they're
in
the
use,
because
I
know
they're
not
marked
so
people
know
like?
Oh,
this
is
a
sheriff's
drone,
so
if
they
were
to
do
that,
don't
is
there
any
repercussions
for
that?
Yes,
and
ours
are
actually
marked.
Oh,
they
are
yeah
okay,
so
it's
they
share.
Okay,
I
just
thought
you
know
to
be
kind
of
discreet.
K
Ours
are
marked,
and
ours
are
responsive,
not
patrolling.
So,
okay,
you
know,
you're,
not
gonna,
see
it
flying
through
a
neighborhood
just
randomly
flying
like
a
patrol
car.
It's
responding
to
a
call
or
it's
responding
to
an
event.
K
Clear
we
created
very
clear
policy
guidelines
and
we
also,
as
as
you
know,
as
we're
building
out
dfr
drones
as
first
responders
in
pontiac,
is
the
first
place
to
test
it.
We're
also
we've
already
created
a
transparency
dashboard,
so
you'll
see
when
it's
launched
where
it
went
and
how
long
it
was
there
and
when
it
came
back
and
you'll
see
the
route
and
everything.
G
Her
brother
and
her
mate,
and
one
thing
that
the
parent
brought
to
my
attention
is
that
she
reported
to
the
sheriff's
department
that
her
child,
which
is
an
adult,
though
had
these
guns
and
stuff,
possibly
in
the
home,
and
she
said
that
the
sheriff
department,
for
some
reason,
couldn't
react
on
that,
be
it
that
it
was
an
adult
person
like
her
child
is
an
adult
right.
Is
that
the
case,
or
usually,
if
you
know
just
that,
I
just
want
to
elaborate
on
that.
Just.
K
G
L
Hey
everybody,
so
first
you
were
talking
about
training.
Did
your
training
budget
go
up,
go
down
or
stay
flat
this
year,
and
can
you
tell
us.
K
Well,
there's
two
different
things
and
you
know
we
get
some
money
from
the
state
and
it's
woefully
insignificant
and
we've
complained
with
that
and
we're
working
on
that
I
thought
was
it
eighty-five
dollars?
What
was
m
calls
give
us
last
year
per
officer,
it
was
like
it
was
under
a
hundred
bucks,
so.
K
So
imagine
what
kind
of
training
you
get
for
seventy-eight
dollars
for
the
year
when
you've
got
to
deal
with?
You
know
pathogens
covet
sensitivity,
emotionally
disturbed
person,
pit
driving
firearms
requalification
first
day.
You
know
all
the
training
that
you
have
to
do
that
doesn't
really
pay
for
much
and
then
secondarily
and
with
the
double
whammy
in
our
current
circumstance,
you
have
to
take
deputy
a
off
the
line
where
they're
patrolling
a
neighborhood
and
put
them
in
training,
which
means
you've
got
to
put
deputy
b
in
that
spot
on
overtime.
K
F
That's
really
the
same.
We
didn't
make
any
changes
to
it,
but
we
have
multiple
pots.
So,
like
the
sheriff
said,
we
have
the
money
from
the
state
that
we
use
for
deputy
training.
We
have
corrections,
officers,
training,
we
have
dispatch
which
actually
dispatch
funds,
we're.
Actually
we're
allowed
to
use
that
for
backfill,
so
that's
kind
of
a
blessing
for
that,
one
that
we
can.
F
Actually,
if
somebody
is
gone,
we
can
use
the
dispatch
training
funds
to
pay
the
backfill,
and
then
we
have
some
officers
training
in
in
our
budget,
so
it's
kind
of,
and
then
we
also
get
some
county
funds
from
the
fringe
benefit
fund
that
we
can
use
for
in-service
training,
so,
basically
anything
that
that
the
county
hr
does
not
provide
which,
for
the
most
part,
they
don't
provide
law
enforcement
training
that
only
pays
for
registration,
not
any
kind
of
lodging
or
travel
arrangements.
F
L
Okay,
I
have
a
question
about
data
because,
as
I
mentioned
you
guys
in
the
hallway,
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
email
before
I
was
figuring
it
out,
but
recently
36
district
court
came
down
with
what
likely
will
be
bail,
reform
precedent
going
forward,
and
so
oakland
county
is
exposed
to
this.
L
There's
all
this
information
that
kent
county
collects
for
its
jail
right,
it's
75
pages
of
data,
and
I
could
only
find
our
annual
report,
which
has
a
lot
of
like
cool
pictures
and
stuff.
But
do
we
collect
this
kind
of
data
and,
if
so,
will
is
it.
K
K
We
had
three
campuses
that
we
were
operating,
southfield,
auburn
hills
and
here
in
pontiac
those
were
full
and
we
rented
a
a
hundred
and
how
many
beds
pay
150
bed
spaces
in
other
counties.
I
think
we
had
100
bed
contract
with
ingham
alone,
and
so
when
I
became
the
sheriff
I
started
looking
at,
I
said,
do
we
need
to
you
know
on
first
place
you're
like
we
need
to
build
a
new
jail,
we're
at
our
max
and
we're
renting
beds
elsewhere
and
the
deeper
we
dug
in
it
as
a
team,
the
more
it
became.
K
We
need
to
be
smart
about
who's
in
jail,
so
we've
actually
accomplished
most
of
what
everybody's
talking
about
around
the
country
we,
our
average
daily
population
pre-covered,
was
about
1400,
so
we
went
from
22
2300
to
1400
systemic
changes
internally
and
working
with
the
judges,
and
we
also
pushed
some
legislation
that
gave
us
additional
tools
and
to
boil
it
down
the
philosophy
that
I
presented,
our
team
was,
you
have
two
groups,
people
were
afraid
of,
and
people
were,
mad
at
people
were
afraid
of
need
to
be
behind
bars.
People
were
mad
at.
K
We
have
to
find
alternatives
that
still
allow
them
to
go
to
work,
not
lose
their
job
and
have
an
opportunity
to
get
back
on
the
right
path.
So
that's
why
you
know
we
were
pushing
a
lot
of
work,
release
and
tether,
and
you
know
supported
the
wham
weekend,
alternative
for
misdemeanors
a
lot
of
people
shouldn't
be
in
jail.
In
my
opinion.
K
Having
said
that,
if
somebody
commits
a
violent
crime
or
has
a
history
of
violence,
they
ought
to
be
in
jail
in
my
opinion,
and
that's
the
kind
of
errant
shot
that
most
of
these
reforms
have
ignored.
Somebody
needs
to
be
in
jail
when
somebody
doesn't
and
they've
kind
of
gone
well
nobody's
going
to
have
bail
and
nobody's
going
there's
some
people
that
need
to
be
locked
up
to
protect
the
community.
I
K
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
so
we're
constantly
sending
out
letters
to
judges
and
saying
you
got
this
person
in
jail
right
now.
Can
you
maybe
do
something
else
with
them?
Can
you
put
them
on
a
tether?
Can
you
put
them
into
you
know
some
other
program
and
I
actually
met
with
a
state
representative
yesterday
and
suggested
a
piece
of
legislation
that
we've
been
trying
to
accomplish
for
a
bit.
K
That
would
redefine
our
tether
program
as
in
custody
for
purposes
of
sentencing
on
certain
nonviolent
crimes,
because
some
judges
want
you
know
to
send
a
message,
but
I'm
probably
getting
way
too
deep
in
the
weeds.
But
when
we
had
work
release
they
would
go
to
work
so
they
wouldn't
lose
their
job.
We
would
do
random
checks,
but
we
couldn't
check
them
all,
because
there
were
so
many
and
then,
when
they
come
back,
they'd
end
up
spending
the
night
in
jail
and
then
rinse
and
repeat
with
tethers
technology.
K
K
If
you
know
the
judge
wants
to
make
sure
they're
on
the
right
path,
keep
them
working,
so
they
can
pay
their
bills
and
they
don't
have
problems
with
the
family,
and
so
we
accomplished
a
lot
of
that.
But
then
a
ruling
came
down
that
said
for
the
certain
kinds
of
certain
kinds
of
offenses
that
doesn't
constitute
in
custody.
So
therefore
they
couldn't
use
that
anymore,
the
tether
program
for
that.
So
you
know
I'm
trying
to
get
that
tweet.
K
K
I'm
sure
I'm
sure
we
have
whatever
data's
in
there.
I
don't
know
how
they
aggregated
or
sorted,
but
I'm
sure
we
have
it
because
this
has
been
a
process.
We've
been
going
through
for
20
years
to
get
where
we
are
and
you'll
see.
A
lot
of
other
counties
have
never
done
that
and
they're
starting
to
look
at
that
data.
Macomb
county
is,
I
think,
building
an
addition.
Wayne
county
is
building
a
new
jail,
and
I'm
not
here
before
you
asking
for
a
new
jail.
K
L
That
sure
and
then
one
other
question
I
had
about
data
is
again
looking
at
that
stuff
on
the
transparency
dashboard
or
whatever.
It
is
that
it's
called
that
you
all
have
first,
it's
hard
to
get
to
because
it's
not
on
the
main
website.
So
whatever
you
can
do,
captain
schneider
about
that,
but
the
second
thing
use
of
force.
I
didn't.
K
L
K
Well,
we
actually,
as
you
know,
we
we
cut.
We
had
to
cut
16
positions,
but
we
cut
more
than
that
and
we
added
two
positions:
one
in
internal
mental
health
peer-to-peer
and
when
an
external
clinician,
so
we
embrace
it,
but
it
has
to
again
be
embraced
properly.
Like
bail
reform,
you
can't
send
out
a
mental
health
person
on
their
own
to
a
call.
Some
communities
have.
Let's
do
that
and
I
don't
know
if
you
read
the
article
of
the
mental
health
worker.
K
She
was
repeatedly
raped
when
she
was
at
a
home
alone
for
the
first
time
and
she'd
been
at
that
home
a
number
of
times
with
other
persons
with
her
and
then
one
time
she
went
alone
and
she
was
kidnapped
and
repeatedly
raped.
So
things
can
turn
on
just
in
a
blink
in
a
mental
health
situation.
We
love
clinicians,
but
we
love
to
be
able
to
work
in
hand
in
love
with
them
and
not
send
them
out
alone.
It's
not
an
either
or.
L
K
I
mean,
and
we
had
talked-
I
actually
spoke
again
with
the
state
rep
yesterday
and
said
that
something
like
that,
maybe
even
on
a
county
or
even
a
sub-county
level,
because
you
may
not
have
that
co-responder
that'd
be
like
the
maytag
repairman.
If
you
had
one
in
you
know
a
ten
thousand
person
village
police
department
right.
K
Got
them
on
a
broader
basis.
We
we
share
everything
we
have
with
every
police
agency,
so
you
know
what
ours
is
theirs.
I
say
that
every
chief
I
see
all
the
time.
So
if
we
had
a
co-responder,
it
could
help
them
in
a
pinch
or
a
situation.
That
person
would
be
going.
Okay
and
I'll
follow
on
with
another
kind
of
thing
to
maybe
put
in
your
thinking
cap.
K
K
B
K
L
Okay:
okay,
okay,
okay,
okay,
okay,
I
was
gonna
just
mention
from
when
I've
done
ride-alongs
and
spend
time
in
the
jail
with
some
of
the
deputies
and
others.
They'd,
really
love
to
grow
beards
outside
of
november,
and
those
wool
pants
really
suck.
Just
just
that's
what
they
say.
I
don't
want
to
name
names
but
anyways.
L
K
L
L
Okay,
so
are
you
done?
No,
I
have
just
two
things
so
on
the
professional
services,
you
have
a
contract
for
inmate
general
collections
that
expires
in
october
and
it
none
of
it's
been
used
and
it's
75
000,
and
so
I'm
wondering
what
that
is
and
then
yeah
and
then
I
have
one
other
question
thing
about.
You
mentioned
helicopter
certificate
training
right
how
the
helicopter
is
important.
You've
used
990
in
the
last
two
years
for
a
20
000
program.
What
line
item
are
you
looking
at?
So
it's
a
professional
services
contract.
L
So
and
yeah,
I
just
want
to
understand.
B
F
F
F
And
he
hadn't
spent
anything
collections.
Well,
we
just
switched
companies,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
how
that's
if
that
was
last
october,
but
we
have
a
different.
We.
We
have
switch
companies
to
do
inmate
collections,
so
they
look.
They
go
back
and
try
to
settle
old
accounts.
L
Oh
okay,
do
you
not
take
them
to
this
or
release
them
to
the
state,
the
people
that
have
the
we
need
to
move
on?
Okay?
Well,
then,
last
question
is:
I
was
getting
this
coffee
mug,
it
reminded
me,
isn't
under
former
undersheriff
mccabe,
you
still
have
a
contract
with
him
right.
He
works
part-time
or
something.
What.
K
B
B
L
J
J
The
fact
that
we've
identified
this
weakness,
perhaps
for
training,
maybe
not
even
in
your
own
department,
but
certainly
around
in
the
community.
I
have
a
question
you're,
not
a
lawyer,
but
god
forbid,
if
anything
happens,
and
it
is
laid
to
the
door
of
insufficient
training.
Does
that
not
create
a
liability
problem?
Because
if
I
were
an
unnamed
attorney
by
the
name
of
feiger
or
something
I'd
say
you
guys
knew
you
had
a
need
for
training
and
you
guys
didn't
have
a
sense
of
urgency
about
it
and
you
let
it
go.
K
I
I
K
K
I
I
guess
good
things
take
a
long
time
right.
A
A
All
you
had,
I
just
had
a
couple
of
questions.
I
know
you've
had
trouble
hiring.
What
is
your
current
experience
with
hiring
right
now
I
mean
what
are
you
seeing
very.
K
Challenged
you
know
it's
it's
hard
in
this
environment,
honestly,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
demonization
of
law
enforcement
and
some
of
the
national
rhetoric
and
people
feel
it.
One
of
the
biggest
pools
of
recruitment
historically
has
been
generational
in
police
and
military.
My
dad
was
a
cop,
my
dad's
dad
was
a
cop
and
historically,
I
just
testified
before
the
united
states
senate
judiciary
on
this
topic.
K
Typically,
surveys
would
have
85
percent
would
say.
My
dad,
you
know,
is
a
cop
and
he
told
me
I
should
go
into
it
now.
When
you
ask
police,
would
you
tell
your
kids
or
your
relatives
or
a
friend
to
go
into
it
instead
of
being
85,
saying?
Yes,
it's
85
saying
no,
so
it's
really
changed
dramatically.
So
we
have
a
much
widowed
recruiting
pool
and
then
obviously
the
world
has
changed
and
budgets
have
changed.
K
You
know
no
one
gets
into
this
job
because
of
the
great
hours
because
they're
not
or
the
great
pay,
because
it's
not
it's
a
calling,
but
at
the
end
of
a
career
they
at
least
knew.
There
was
a
pension
waiting
for
me,
and
now
they
don't
have
that
and
now
they
don't
have
medical
in
retirement,
and
so
you
know
we're
struggling
with
all
of
the
things
that
they
don't
have
and
trying
to
say.
A
Yeah,
okay,
different
topic
jail
population.
You
said
we
were
at
2200
before
a
while
back,
then
we
were
at
1400
before
the
pandemic.
Where
are
we
now
about
a.
K
A
Okay,
yeah,
that's
all
my
questions.
I
have
more
but
we're
running
out
of
time,
commissioner
powell,
just
that
one
in
regards
to
sustainability
yeah,
so
the
county
has
a
sustainability
plan
to
reduce
our
carbon
footprint
and
all
of
that-
and
in
your
case
it
specifically
relates
especially
to
the
vehicles
right,
and
we
were
just
told
by
facilities
that
we
can't
get
patrol
vehicles
yet
that
are
hybrid
or
that
can
meet
the
requirements
to
be
able
to
be
in
pursuit
right.
So
is
that
on
your
radar
that.
K
K
So
you
know,
one
of
the
biggest
problems
is
to
have
all
of
those
things
in
a
vehicle.
We
need
to
be
able
to
run
that
24
7
and
immediately
pop
it
back
out
if
you've
got
an
ev
unless
you,
unless
they
come
up
with
the
technology
to
hopswat
batteries,
you
won't
be
able
to
do
that.
There's
got
to
be
a
charging
leg,
so
our
cars
are
moving.
K
I'd
like
to
encourage
you
to
do
that,
you
know
t
and
e
and
to
work
with
any
of
the
the
manufacturers.
You
know:
we've
gone
out
to
jam,
proving
grounds
to
look
at
different
things
and
I've
driven
cars
for
chrysler
to
give
them
feedback,
so
cool,
we're
always
happy
to
partner
with
the
manufacturers.
All.
G
Right,
commissioner
powell
and
just
one
more
y'all
made
reference
to
the
body
cameras,
but
one
thing
I
want
to
ask
is
because
I
know
you
were
able
to
pilot
them
and
trust
them
out
in
pontiac
right
with
some
of
them.
Has
the
body
worn
cameras,
assisted
in
providing
footage
for
internal
training
purposes?
G
No,
I'm
talking
about.
They
have
had
some
to
chest
trial
so
have
y'all
used
it.
If
not,
don't
worry
about.
G
K
A
Okay,
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
else
for
the
sheriff's
at
this
time,
so
I
really
appreciate
you
coming
in
and
and
preparing
for
this
and
helping
us.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
A
But
not
on
our
agenda.
We
do
have
a
public
comment.
Yes,
so
is
there
anyone
from
the
public
who
cares
to
address
us
yeah
we
have
to
have.
I
know
we
have
to
have
a
public
comment,
though
it's
on
our
agenda.
So
if
there's
anybody
from
the
public
who
cares
to
it
so
address
us,
please
come
to
the
end
of
the
table.