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B
C
A
A
Next
up
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
the
agenda:
are
there
any
additional
changes
or
corrections
to
our
agenda
this
morning?
If
not,
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
gershenson
support
by
commissioner
jackson?
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
motion
carries
next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
public
comment.
Just
as
a
reminder.
This
first
round
of
public
comment
is
specifically
for
items
that
are
on
our
agenda
this
morning.
There
will
be
a
second
public
comment
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
for
individuals
to
discuss
any
item.
A
A
As
we
all
know,
the
county
executive
coulter
has
selected
barbara
hanke
to
serve
as
the
director
of
the
department
of
public
services.
The
department
of
public
services
manages
the
divisions
of
community
corrections,
children's
village
circuit
co,
circuit
court,
probation,
animal
control
and
medical
examiner.
I
believe
we've
got
ms
henke
here
with
deputy
hobbs,
so
welcome.
Come
join
us.
C
Morning,
madam
chair
commissioners,
good
morning,
we're
very
happy
to
come
across
the
street
today
to
ask
for
confirmation
for
barb
hankeys
many.
You
know
barb
has
been
here,
for
you
know,
30
plus
years,
managing
community
corrections,
and
we
have
selected
her
as
our
next
director
of
public
services.
In
addition
to
all
those
wonderful
divisions
that
she
will
manage.
One
of
the
other
things
that
we're
really
going
to
be
leaning
on
bar
for
is
really
leading
leading
our
criminal
justice
efforts
here.
C
F
E
Thank
you,
ma'am
chair,
congratulations,
I
think
it's
I
mean
you
are
definitely
the
right
person
for
this
role.
It's
been
a
pleasure
working
with
you.
I
think
your
commitment
for
community
corrections
is
demonstrated
in
your
work.
I'm
very
excited
about
what
your
leadership
is
going
to
be
able
to
provide,
to.
I
mean,
take
our
existing
programs
to
the
next
level,
your
commitment
to
engagement
of
the
community.
I
for
for
the
years
that
I've
known
you
is,
I
mean
it's
really
truly
amazing.
So
I'm
very
very
excited.
E
I
mean
one
thing
and
I
guess
this
is
more
of
a
question
like
from
the
entire
division,
and
I
I'm
I'm
foggy
because
last
year
was
very
busy.
Did
we
formally
move
children's
village
into
this
division?
Okay?
Yes,
I
I
remember
a
conversation
and
I
just
don't
remember
the
vote
so,
but
which
is
great
I
mean
I
think,
and
it's
it.
It
really
is
a.
I
think
it's
the
appropriate
place
to
be,
and
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
things
I
am
probably
hyper
focused
on.
E
I
mean
making
certain
that
we
provide
not
only
the
best
programming
the
best
support.
This
is
our
youth,
it
is
if
we
don't
fix
it
there,
it's
it's
going
to
I
mean
or
address
some
of
the
challenges
there.
It's
going
to
be
long
term,
so
I
mean
again
I'm
even
more
ecstatic
of
your
your
role
in
leadership
to
be
able
to
oversee,
I
think
the
largest
children's
village
operation
in
the
state.
So
it's
congratulations.
E
C
B
A
Congratulations
barb.
We
are
so
excited
to
have
you
as
our
director
of
public
services
if
there
isn't
any
further
discussion
on
this
item.
Commissioner,.
C
We're
talking
about
that
internally,
I
think
that
we
have
some
strong
internal
candidates,
but,
as
you
know,
there's
always
you
know
an
opportunity
or
appetite
for
us
to
look
externally.
Also
so
we're
having
those
conversations
now.
A
Any
further
discussion
on
this
agenda
item
see
none,
please
prompt,
oh
I'm
sorry
do
we
have.
Commissioner
spitz
is
joining
us
virtually
good
morning.
Commissioner,
space.
G
A
Excellent.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
If
there
isn't
any
further
discussion
on
this
item,
please
prompt
the
vote
for
the
confirmation
of
appointment
of
director
of
public
services.
Barbanke.
B
A
A
Next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
our
second
and
last
regular
agenda
item,
which
is
appointments
to
the
board
of
county
canvassers,
and
I
do
believe,
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
gershes
support
by
chairman
woodward,
and
I
do
believe
that
we
have
mr
joe
rozelle
joining
us
if
you
want
to
come
on
and
join
us,
mr
rosa,
that
would
be
great.
A
A
The
head
of
each
political
party
has
submitted
through
the
county
clerk
three
names
for
consideration
of
one
vacancy
each
and
the
appointment.
Confirmation
by
the
board
of
commissioners
is
required
within
10
calendar
days
of
the
board
of
commissioners
annual
meeting,
and
our
annual
meeting
is
scheduled
for
september
29th
2021,
the
current
term
expires
october,
31st
2021
and
the
new
appointments
will
be
for
a
four-year
term
expiring.
On
october
31st
of
2025.,
the
current
appointees
are
wilma
cotton
from
our
republicans
and
gloria
harstein
spann
democrat
so
good
morning,
mr
rosalie
can.
H
Sure
thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
four-member
bipartisan
board
of
county
canvassers
exists
in
all
83
counties.
They.
They
really
essentially
have
four
primary
functions,
the
first
of
which
is
a
to
inspect
all
of
the
ballot
containers
that
are
used
in
the
county.
They
do
this
ballot
container
inspection
every
four
years
to
make
sure
that
the
containers
are
in
good
working
order
and
comply
with
state
law.
H
H
That
makes
the
determination
michigan
is
not
a
voter
intent
state
with
the
exception
of
write-in
votes,
so
they
look
and
try
to
determine
the
voter's
intent
and
who
they
were
writing
in
and
then
they'll
award
those
votes
to
the
appropriate
candidate
and
then,
lastly,
they're
involved
in
election
certification.
So
all
elections
that
take
place
in
our
county,
they
certify
and
then
some
of
those
certifications.
We
pass
on
to
the
state
level
where
there's
then
a
certification
conducted
at
the
state
level,
but
for
local
offices.
H
Their
certification
is
what
makes
the
election
official
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
certification
part,
and
that
essentially,
is
a
reconciliation
that
takes
place
after
the
election.
So
election
day,
everybody
goes
to
vote.
Absentee
ballots
are
counted
on
election
night.
There
are
two
envelopes
that
are
delivered
to
the
county:
one
is
to
the
care
of
the
chief
probate
judge
and
they
are
here
and
secure
those
envelopes.
H
The
other
is
to
the
county
clerk
and
the
day
following
the
election,
the
probate
judge
and
and
the
county
clerk's
office
meet
with
the
board
of
canvassers
and
provide
those
envelopes
to
them
that
have
the
poll
book
and
the
tapes
from
the
voting
machines,
etc,
and
then
the
canvassers
begin
this
reconciliation
process.
H
So
essentially
they
look
at
a
precinct
and
they
look
at
the
poll
book
and
they
say
all
right
example:
500
voters
came
into
this
precinct
and
voted
where
their
500
ballots
tabulated
and
making
sure
that
those
match
if
they
don't
match
it's
their
job,
to
investigate.
Why
and
attempt
to
correct
that
precinct.
So
one
example:
if
we're
talking
about
an
absentee
counting
board,
we
might
have
tabulated
one
more
ballot
than
we
do
voters
in
the
poll
book.
H
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
actually
have
the
return
envelopes
that
the
voters
sign
with
their
absentee
ballots,
brought
into
the
canvas
and
we'll
go
through
the
process
and
match
up
every
one
of
those
envelopes
against
the
poll
book.
What
we
find
sometimes,
is
a
local
clerk's
office
forgot
to
scan
one
of
the
envelopes
that
was
returned
into
the
poll
book.
H
So
then
we
will
go
ahead
and
make
that
correction
at
the
canvas,
and
now
we
reconcile
so
the
number
of
voters
matches
the
number
of
ballots
tabulated.
It
was
just
a
honest
mistake
where
an
envelope
wasn't
scanned
in
and
they
correct
that
same
thing
could
occur
in
a
precinct.
So
the
voter
completes
that
white
application
to
vote.
When
they
go
into
the
precinct
to
cast
their
ballot,
we
might
find
we
have
a
ballot
or
two
more
tabulated
than
voters
in
the
pull
book.
We'll
actually
go
through
that
stack
of
applications
to
vote
to
find
out.
H
You
know
who
wasn't
recorded
in
the
pull
book,
we'll
make
sure
they
get
recorded
and
we'll
correct
that
they
also
might
correct.
You
know
clerical
errors,
where
we
look
at
the
ballot
summary
that
we're
trying
to
reconcile,
and
we
see
that
the
workers,
instead
of
putting
500
on
the
line
put
501,
so
the
canvassers
will
correct
any
errors
in
math
or
any
clerical
errors
on
the
ballot
summary.
So
it's
a
very
detail-oriented
process,
but
it's
one
that
we
attempt
to
bring
every
single
precinct
in
this
county
into
into
balance.
H
Generally,
that
happens
we're
pretty
good
about
that,
but
every
once
in
a
while,
there
are
precincts
that
we
just
cannot
reconcile
and
an
example
of
that
might
be
where
spouses
to
save
the
cost
of
a
stamp
return,
two
ballots
in
one
envelope.
H
So
when
that
envelope
gets
returned,
that
voter
who's
on
the
outside
of
the
envelope
is
recorded
in
the
poll
book
is
having
returned
their
ballot.
So
that's
one
voter
in
the
poll
book
and
if
the
workers
aren't
careful
when
they're
opening
those
envelopes
to
see
that
there
were
two
ballots
inside
and
they're
sent
for
processing.
Well,
then,
we're
going
to
have
one
more
ballot,
that's
tabulated
than
voters
in
the
pull
book.
That's
not
anything
we
can
catch
during
the
canvas
that
would
have
had
to
have
been
caught.
H
You
know
in
that
local
community,
at
their
absentee
county
board
or
at
the
absentee
county
board
the
county
conducts
that's
a
training
issue.
In
the
end
you
know,
voters
did
return
their
ballot.
Both
of
those
folks
who
received
their
ballot
in
that
household
are
are
legitimate
voters,
so
they
wouldn't
have
been
sent
a
ballot.
It's
just
there's
no
way
of
catching
that
other
household
member
that
returned
that
ballot
in
the
envelope.
H
So
those
are
instances
where
we
make
notations
where
it
may
have
been
off,
and
we
note
that
we,
you
know,
couldn't
resolve
it,
and
this
is
what
we
suspect,
happened,
etc,
and
that
process
takes
place
like
I
said
that
is
not
the
normal
situation.
H
The
the
board
and
our
office
take
great
pride
in
our
ability
to
reconcile
these
precincts
and
when
it
comes
down
to
conducting
a
recount
at
least
in
this
county,
we
are
very
confident
that
that
all
of
the
precincts
are
eligible
to
be
recounted
because
of
the
work
that's
done
during
the
county
canvas.
So
when
we
get
to
the
recount,
everything
is
reconciled
balanced
and
we
can
conduct
that
so
that
is
sort
of
a
you
know,
high
level
overview
of
of
what
the
board
does
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anyone
might
have.
A
Sure,
commissioners,
is
there
any
questions
chairman
woodward.
E
Thanks,
thank
you,
mr
rozelle,
for
I
mean
your
you
and
your
team.
I
think
after
this
last
election
largest
turnout
ever
oakland
county
first
taking
on
responsibility
to
help
process,
absentee
voter
absentee
ballots
for
smaller
communities
from
or
even
some
larger
communities,
and
was
able
to
do
so
in
record
pace
and
be
able
to
post
those
results,
and
I
mean
complete
this-
I
mean
this
process.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
model.
E
I
I
mean
I
do
go
around
the
state
and
say
that
well,
they
counted
almost
100
000
ballots
and
the
same
time
that
some
communities
took
two
and
a
half
days.
Sure
so
I
mean
great
job
as
as
it
relates
to
the
board
of
canvassers,
and
I
believe
this
is
also
the
public
is
invited
to.
E
You
can
actually
observe
the
board
of
canvassers
working
and
we
bring
on
some
additional,
like
staff
support
to
in
the
processing,
and
if
there
are
some
disputes
and
everything
that
the
board
of
canvassers
have
to,
I
mean
come
to
some
level
of
agreement
in
terms
of
it,
the
board
of
canvas
or
statutory
responsibility.
E
You
mention
those
other
roles
that
they
have
over.
The
course
of
an
election
cycle
as
it
relates
to
certifying
the
election.
What
because
this
I
mean,
I
mean
some
areas
got
national
attention.
I
mean
in
some
counties
in
michigan
and
then,
of
course,
the
I
mean
the
disproven
charges
of
a
mass
conspiracy
and
voter
fraud
all
over
the
country,
which
has
been
disproven
time
and
time
again.
What
is
the
role
of
the
board
of
canvassers
in
their
statutory
constitutional
responsibility
in
certifying
the
election.
H
Well,
I
mean
the
canvassers
take
an
oath
as
required
by
by
statute.
You
know
to
uphold
the
constitution
and
the
laws
of
this
state
and
the
laws
of
the
state
do
prescribe
that
they
conduct
this
county
canvas
the
there's
a
stop
gap
in
statute
that
if
the
canvassers
run
out
of
time
or
fail
to
do
something,
then
the
state
board
of
canvas
or
secretary
of
state
could
seize
the
election
records
and
and
finish
it
themselves.
H
Fortunately,
that's
never
happened
here,
but
they
have
they.
They
take
an
oath
and
they
have
a
responsibility
to
conduct
that
canvas.
So
there
is
no
statutory,
legitimate
reason
to
say
you
know:
I'm
not
going
to
do
this,
I'm
you
know
they
that
outlines
a
process,
it
outlines
a
timeline
and
they
take
an
oath
to
honor.
That.
A
Yeah
absolutely,
but
commissioner
wise
is
there
any
questions?
Comments
further
discussion
for
joe
commissioner.
A
At
this
time,
I'd
like
to,
I
know
that
we
do
this
morning
have
two
our
incumbents,
so
we
do
have
will
mccotton
here
with
us
today
as
well
as
gloria,
and
I
do
believe
gloria
is
here
with
us
in
person.
So
why
don't
you
come
and
join
us
at
the
head
of
the
table?.
B
D
My
name
is
gloria
harson
spann,
I'm
from
pontiac.
I've
been
involved
with
pontiac
for
quite
a
long
time
in
different
situations,
I'm
on
appeals
board
here
for
oakland
county
also
for
the
personnel.
I'm
also
past,
president
of
my
local,
for
a
number
of
years,
I'm
involved
in
a
14th
congressional
district
as
the
chair
for
the
screening
committee.
D
F
D
No,
it
was
not
my
first,
I
think
about
my
34,
something
like
that.
Okay,
yes,
excuse.
F
D
Of
course,
I'm
the
co-chair
and
we
did
have
some
conflict
as
a
group.
The
four
of
us
get
along
pretty
well,
but
there
are
times
when
you
have
to
make
a
decision
that's
best
for
what's
going
on,
we
resolved
it,
although
we
had
closed
door
sessions.
I
would
be
honest
with
you
to
ask
why,
because
there's
four
people
who
represent
you
know
the
county.
D
We
want
to
know
what's
going
on
and
so
the
problems
that
we
had,
we
did
discuss
it,
and
I
can
say
to
you
that
the
election
that
was
presented
was
fully
fully
okay.
It
was
nothing
out
of
the
way
hidden
or
anything.
It's
just
like
any
other
elections
that
we
had.
There
was
nothing
under
the
table,
any
kind
of
things,
because
that's
something
that
as
com
com
canvassers,
that's
not
something
that
we
allow.
We
want
everything,
everybody
and
anything
to
come
in
to
see
what's
going
on
and
they
did.
A
Excellent.
Thank
you
chairman.
E
Thank
you.
I
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
gloria.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
I
believe
that
this
is
a
probably
one
of
the
most
principal
roles
that
we
have
across
the
state
to
ensure
the
integrity
of
our
election.
Our
election
process
and
commissioner
gershon
asked
that
kind
of
the
question
like
what
your
general
observations
over
the
last
election.
E
Sadly,
we
have
a
former
president
that
continues
to
spout
the
big
lie
to
say
that
the
election
was
stolen
and
was
fraudulent
and
everything,
and
it
has
been,
it
has
been
disputed.
It
has
been
rejected.
Every
court
has
denied
it,
and
even
the
ridiculous
audit
in
arizona
showed
that
the
current
president
got
more
votes.
E
Who
were
they
returned
from
and
all
these
checkpoints
along
the
way
all
the
way
to
this
certification
process
to
make
sure
in
this
precinct
there
were
500
ballots
counted
and
there
were
500
that
are
accounted
for
and
if
there's
a
discrepancy
of
one,
a
deep
dive
to
try
to
reconcile
what
that
is,
because,
when
you're
talking
about
700,
000
plus
ballots
being
cast,
there
are
going
to
be
some
administrative
things
that
I
mean
get
through
and
then
there's
a
stop
gap.
A
process
of
of
doing
that.
So
you
answer
that
mike.
E
My
question
was
from
your
vantage
point
is
one
of
the
four
people
that
are
tasked
with
ensuring
election
integrity
was,
I
mean,
was
oakland
county's
election
accurate
and
were
the
ballots
cast,
the
the
right
count.
D
Everything
that
was
done
in
oakland
county
for
our
voting
was
above
board.
There
was
no
difference
of
any
other
election
there.
We
had
the
tremendous
task
of
counting
so
many
votes,
and
we
only
have
a
certain
amount
of
days
that
we
can
certify
and
even
with
the
amount
of
work
that
we
had
to
do,
we
still
got
it
certified.
Everything
was
done
that
I
think
oakland
county
be
proud
of,
and
there
was
no
difference
in
any
difference
during
our
process
at
all,
not
in
oakland
county.
E
And
and
just
a
follow-up
question
to
that,
from
your
perspective
and
having
done
a
few
this
I
mean
this
was
your
first
term
as
a
cardboard.
So
the
past
one
was
there
anything
irregular
in
this
presidential
election
cycle
that
wasn't
common
to
pass.
D
No,
no,
I
can
honor
it.
I
can
honestly
say
that
if
it
was,
I
would
be
the
first
ones
to
tell
you.
I
had
a
problem
with
this
this
and
this,
but
I
didn't
it.
The
process
went
as
as
we
come
in
and
it's
like
it
clicks
in
and
we
just
go
through.
If
we
have
a
problem,
then
yes,
we
will
call
the
particular
city
or
township
in
and
say
what
happened
here,
but
in
this
particular
instance
there
there
was
no
difference
in
any
other
campus
that
we
did.
E
Right,
thank
you,
and
I
just
I
think,
for
I
mean
just
I
mean
the
other
members
on
the
committee.
I
mean,
aside
from
the
role
kind
of
checking
the
work
at
the
back
end
of
the
board
of
canvasers
and
beyond,
taking
on
the
responsibility
to
help
communities
county
absentee
ballots,
I
mean
we've
got
50
plus
voting
jurisdictions.
E
I
mean
our
election
system
is
so
decentralized
where
you've
got,
I
mean
clerks
and
staff
running
elections,
and
then
everything
gets
fed
into
one
system
and
validated.
The
checkpoints
through
here
are
enormous
and
offer
should
offer
complete
confidence
to
the
public
that
every
every
appropriate
ballot
cast
is
counted
in
oakland
county.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
A
Alrighty
is
there
any
further
questions
for
gloria
all
righty?
You
see
none
gloria.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
dedication
and
commitment
to
ensuring
election
integrity
here
in
oakland
county
and
for
providing
us
a
little
bit
more
details
about
yourself
this
morning.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
having
me.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Gloria
harstingspan
is
the
incumbent
and
the
oakland
county
democratic
party
nominee
for
the
oakland
county
board
of
canvassers.
A
We
have
wilma
cotton
and,
I
believe,
will
mccotten
is
joining
us
virtually
wilma.
Cotton
is
also
the
incumbent
and
the
oakland
county
republican
party
nominee
for
the
oakland
county
board
of
canvassers
so
good
morning,
gloria
or
I'm
sorry
good
morning
wilma
good
morning.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
Also,
thank
you
for.
I
E
If
you
touch
the
screen,
you
should
see
a
little
camera
like
a
camera
thing.
If
you
push
it,
you
should
be
able
to.
I
E
I
A
Excellent
alrighty.
Well,
thank
you,
beaumont
commissioners,
any
questions,
commissioner
gershon.
F
That's
why
I
really
wanted
to
have
this
opportunity
to
talk
with
you
about
your
experiences
during
the
last
november
election.
Could
you
share
with
us
your
your
recollections
about
what
happened.
I
Sure,
I'm
I'm
sure,
you're
aware
of
the
little
problem
at
the
last
day
when
the
state
notified
us
on
monday
that
we
needed
to
wrap
things
up
and
certify
the
election,
and
we
were
not
quite
finished.
We
had
two
communities
that
we
had
not
processed
there
or
not
confirmed
their
absentee
ballot
and
on
the
last
day,
our
14th
day,
we're
allowed
14
days
by
law
to
certify-
and
I
went
in
that
morning
and
told
mr
roselle
that
I
was
not
prepared
to
certify,
and
that
was
only
because
we
did
not
complete.
I
I
had
no
problem
with
the
numbers.
I
there
was
no
fraud.
There
was
nothing
wrong
with
with
our
totals.
It
was
just
simply
that
we
did
not
complete.
That
was
my
first
time
in
serving
on
the
canvas
board
that
we
were
not
able
to
complete.
We
were
under
pressure
from
the
state
to
complete
and
that's
what
the
problem
was.
F
I
E
E
Similarly,
I
guess
I
wanna,
I
mean,
and
I
think
you
you
alluded
to
it-
the
fact
that
there
still
is,
to
this
day
a
a
group
of
people
that
believe
the
election
was
stolen.
E
The
election
results
were
fraudulent
and
I
want
you,
I
mean
just
like
to
affirm
again,
I
think,
with
something
you
already
said
that
in
oakland
county
the
election
was
accurate
and
the
count
and
the
people
who
won
up
and
down
the
ticket
that
there
I
mean
not
only
was
there
no
evidence
of
fraud
is
that
the
election
results
are
valid.
We're
valid
for
2020.
B
E
A
We're
seeing
if
we
can
have
staff
reach
out
to
her.
I
don't
think
that
she's
able
to
hear
us,
but
that's
a
great
suggestion,
commissioner
spizz.
B
B
B
E
A
We
appreciate
everybody's
patience
as
we
work
through
some
technical
issues.
A
B
B
D
C
D
E
No
well,
it's
saying
technology
happens
so,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
being
diligent
here,
so
I
don't
know
what
you
heard,
but
when
I
dropped
off
so
let
me
just
like
res
I
restate
and
similar
that
I
I
mean
your
your
counterpart
on
the
canvassing
board
that
the
the
integrity
of
our
election,
the
accuracy
of
our
election,
continues
to
be
attacked
by
I
mean
from
the
top
from
the
former
president.
E
I
would
like
you
to
I
mean
say,
based
on
your
experience
and
being
on
the
front
line
of
verifying
that
not
only
in
oakland
county
was
the
election
accurate,
that
the
votes
were
counted
and
the
results
are
true.
I
Absolutely
I
absolutely
affirm
that
the
integrity
of
the
election
in
oakland
county
is
unquestionable.
I
don't
know
if
you
heard
me
say
that
I
it
is
my
firm
opinion
that
oakland
county
has
the
best
elections
department
in
the
whole
state.
Mr
joe
roselle
runs
a
very
tight
chip
and
he
does
an
excellent
job.
I
my
only
problem
with
with
saying
originally
saying
that
I
was
not
going
to
certify
was
the
fact
that
we
had
not
finished.
I
I
I
I
I
E
Okay,
so
wilma
I'm
I'm
just
gonna,
so
I'm
seeing
here
I
mean
this
is
an
email
that
you
sent
to
bob
ask
I
mean
basically
apologize.
I
mean
on
monday
november
16th
at
8
20
p.m.
They
say
sorry
to
bother
you
this
evening,
but
hoping
you
have
a
minute
to
read
the
message
below.
Apparently
once
the
county
certified
the
election
a
and
in
quotation
mark
marks,
an
audit
cannot
be
demanded.
I
tried
to
call
the
state
rep
and
the
senator
below
I'm
going
to
try
to
call
ruth
johnson
I'll.
E
I
Okay,
I
don't
recall
receiving
that,
but
obviously
I
did
because
it's
in
that
email
that
I
sent
to
bob,
but
my
only
reason
for
for
not
certifying
was
simply
the
fact
that
we
hadn't
finished.
That
was
the
first
time
that
all
the
years
that
I
had
served
on
the
canvas
board
that
I
did
not
that
we
did
not
finish
that
we
did
not
complete.
E
I
I
I'm
I'm
under
the
impression
you
did
talk
to
state
senator
johnson
and
I
think
that
there
was
others
that
you
told
that
you
did
and
no
so
you
I.
I
E
I
I
I
attempted
to
call
ruth,
because
I
wanted
to
know
is
that
she,
the
impression,
was
that
if
all
the
counties
certified
they
could
not
do
an
audit
of
the
state,
and
that
was
my
question
would
have
been
my
question
to
her.
Have
we
ever
spoken?
Was
you
know
if
we
certify
oakland
county?
Is
that
going
to
impede
an
audit
of
the
state.
E
E
What
you're
telling
me
that
you
didn't
actually
entertain,
not
certifying
the
election,
and
I
bring
this
up
in
I
mean
the
context
we
saw
what
happened
in
wayne
county.
It
was
a
complete
circus,
I
mean
ultimately
resolve,
but
we
were
literally
within
hours
of
that
same
type
of
story
here
in
oakland
county
and
that
type
of
story
in
oakland
I
mean
just.
E
Let
me
let
me
just
finish:
walmart
those
type
of
actions,
completely
discredit
and
undermine
the
integrity
of
our
election
system
and
you
as
one
of
the
four
members
and
and
I
mean
you're
a
republican
and
I'm
a
democrat
and
issues
we
might
be
completely
100
opposite
of.
But
given
your
history
as
a
clerk
and
everything
I
I
hope
we
share
that
the
integrity
of
our
election
system
is
paramount.
E
That
has
to
rise
above
party
and
principle,
and
it's
it
is
the
belief
in
our
democracy
and
is
our
belief
in
our
our
system
of
making
sure
that
every
vote
cast
is
counted,
that
this
entire
democracy
in
this
nation
rest
upon.
It's
a
belief
of
that
and
when,
when
actions
like
this
and
and
I
asked
you-
and
I
understand
you
said
you
don't
recall,
but
when
you
take,
I
mean
pass
on
information.
E
This
is
a
problem
we
need
to
maybe
start
considering
not
certifying
is
is
a
huge
problem
and
I
need
to
know
with
a
hundred
percent
certainty
that
I
mean
that
the
election
I
mean
when
an
election
is
held,
and
it
goes
through
all
the
process
that
I
know
you
as
a
local
clerk
as
a
former
local
clerk,
no
has
to
happen
that
you
get
to
the
board
of
canvassers
and
then
confirm
that
the
election
happened
as
it
was
supposed
to
that
you
will
hold
your
oath
of
office
to
make
sure
that
election
is
certified
and
not
potentially
undermine
the
counting
of
hundreds
of
thousands
of
votes.
I
Yes,
sir,
I
took
an
oath,
but
but
if
you
would
just
allow
me
to
say
that
I
please
sign
the
certification
paperwork.
My
legal
signature
is
on
there.
We
did
not
complete
the
canvas
of
the
south
field,
which
is
a
very
large
number
of
votes,
absentee
ballots.
We
did
not
complete
that
we
did
not
complete
oak
park.
I
E
H
So
so
oakland
just
for
the
record,
oakland
county
did
complete
the
canvas
the
the
issue
is
similar
to
what
I
had
mentioned
earlier.
There
were
precincts
that
could
not
be
reconciled.
They
were
off
by
one
or
two
whether
we
had
six
days
six
months
or
six
years,
we
probably
would
never
have
been
able
to
get
it's
that
scenario
where
I
said
that
unless
you
catch
it,
when
the
two
ballots
are
in
the
same
envelope,
when
you
open
it,
it's
impossible
to
know
that
that's
the
exact
cause.
So
there
were
a
number
of
precincts.
H
No.
This
occurred
in
august,
where
there
were
precincts
in
the
august
primary
that
we
could
not
reconcile
november
2018
wilma,
and
I
spent
five
days
on
a
precinct
in
south
lyon
that
was
off
by
five
votes.
We
got
it
down
to
being
off
by
one.
We
found
four
of
the
things,
but
after
five
days
we
had
to
throw
our
hands
up
and
basically
say
this
is
going
to
be
off
by
one.
We
cannot
figure
out
what
what
is
this
last
ballot
to
reconcile?
H
E
H
Well,
it's
consistent
in
that
recognizing
that
in
this
election
we
took
a
lot
of
ballots
that
were
usually
cast
in
a
precinct
and
we've
taken
them
now
to
being
cast
by
absentee
ballots,
so
that
put
a
lot
of
stress
on
local
communities
in
their
absentee
county
board
that
had
volumes
that
they
had
never
seen.
You
know.
People
who
had
been
election
inspectors
for
30
years
had
never
seen
this
type
of
volume,
so
it
was
unique
in
in
that
circumstance,
but
in
terms
of
the
canvas,
no
nothing
was
different.
H
It
was
like
any
other
election
and
and
in
other
elections
there.
This
is
a
human
process
right
where
there
are
humans
that
do
this
once
every
two
years
that
we
train
to
the
best
of
our
ability,
there
are
clerks
that
in
townships
only
have
elections.
You
know
once
every
two
years,
unless
there's
a
special
election.
You
know
these
are
are
our
humans
at
various
levels
of
this
process,
and
there
will
be
things
that
happen
and
it's
our
job
to
to
correct
those
things.
H
But
we
can't
you
know
catch
everything.
It's
I
say
the
canvas
is
like
a
csi
right,
you're,
trying
to
piece
together
what
happened
in
a
13-hour
period
and
sometimes
it
works
out,
and
sometimes
you
get
down
to
to
one
or
two
votes
you
can't
you
can't
reconcile.
This
is
not
unique
to
our
county.
This
happens
in
every
county
in
the
state,
because
humans
are
involved
in
the
process
throughout
the
state.
I
like
to
pride
ourselves
that
our
county
performs
better
than
other
counties
in
not
only
the
canvas
but
certainly
in
recounts.
H
I
mean
that's
evidenced
by
looking
around
the
state
and
seeing
that
there's
a
state
rep
district
in
the
thumb
60
of
the
precincts
couldn't
be
recounted
in
that
state
house
district.
That's
never
happened.
You
know
in
our
county
they're
all
precincts
are
recountable,
so
we
take
great
pride
in
that.
So
so
I
would
say
no,
there
was
nothing
that
was
unique
or
unusual
or
or
a
particular
concern.
On
the
14th
day.
H
E
Joe,
so
I
mean,
if,
like
I
mean
just
follow
with
it,
will
not
I
mean.
Is
that
consistent
with
your
experience,
wilma
that
it's
not
that
that
we
didn't
complete
the
canvas
that
there
were
a
handful
of
precincts,
that
and
based
on
a
past
experience
consistent
with
past
experience
that
couldn't
reconcile
that
final
one
vote
in
a
particular
precinct.
A
Already
seeing
that
there
isn't,
thank
you
so
much.
E
E
I
am
I
mean
allowing
myself
to
look
at
your
long
leadership
of
experience
in
elections
and
again
that,
while
we
might
disagree
on
politics,
I
have
to
have
faith
and
you're
giving
me
your
word
and
your
pledge
of
oath,
that
you
will
fully
exercise
the
duty
and
do
the
duty
of
this
office
and
ensure
that
is
I
mean
that
every
vote
in
this
county
is
passed
and
counted.
I
E
I
A
Righty
well,
thank
you
wilma.
Thank
you
wilma
for
giving
us
some
insight
and
background
about
yourself
again.
Wilma
cotton
is
the
republican
incumbent
for
the
oakland
county
board
of
canvassers?
Do
they
want
to
say
anything,
commissioner
spitz,
commissioner
jackson,
I'm
sorry
is
there
anything
that
either
one
of
you
would
like
to
ask
or
add.
I
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so.
C
Really
the
conversation
as
I'm
interpreting
it
was,
there
was
no
canvas
that
was
not
completed
if
there
were
just
precincts
in
southfield
and
oak
park
that
were
not
fully
reconciled,
which
past
practice
has
happened,
but
just
a
couple
of
votes
may
be
due
to
votes
being
or
two
ballots,
possibly
being
in
one
envelope.
E
I
think
the
example
that
mr
roselle
said
self
line,
and
my
sense
is
that
there
are
out
of
500
and
some
precincts
and
all
the
appropriate
accounting
boards
there's
a
percentage
of
precincts
that
just
can't
get
reconciled,
and
I
think
I
mean-
and
it's
something
I
didn't
think
about
until
mr
rozelle
said
it-
that,
given
the
dramatic
increase
in
absentee
ballots,
that
two
envelopes
in
a
out
of
700
000
people,
people
to
save
a
stamp
putting
both
of
them
in
an
envelope
and
and
not
catching
it
right
there
when
they
got
open,
I
mean
I
can
see
how
that
happens,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
any
person
who's
watching
every
person
who
was
issued
a
ballot
was
affirmed
and
signature
validated.
E
Every
every
ballot
was
numbered.
That
went
out
every
I
mean
and
the
ballots
that
came
back
were
ones
that
were
sent
out
and
so,
like
all
those
systems
are
in
place
and
the
csi
stuff
that
was
explained
is
trying
to
figure
out.
Okay,
where
I
mean
what
happened,
and
I
mean
why
is
this
off
by
one
and
we're
literally
down
to
the
one
to
make
sure
that
these
the
numbers
at
the
very
end
match
exactly
at
the
front
end?
E
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioner
woodward
and
commissioner
gershon.
Could
you
afford
me
copies
of
what
you
keep
referencing
there,
so
I
can
take
a
look
at
that
information.
Please.
I
have
not
seen
that
so.
I'm
intrigued
by
that.
G
Also,
thank
you
very
much
also.
You
know.
I
would
think
that
any
of
our
canvassers
anytime,
anything
that
has
come
up
that
has
been
questioned,
should
ask
questions.
They
need
to
ensure
that
our
votes
are
at
100
integrity.
You
know
at
the
highest
level
we
need
to
hold
all
of
our
canvassers
and
all
of
our
individuals
that
help
with
the
votes
at
the
highest
level.
You
know
we
need
to
lead
by
example,
and
I
will
hold
all
campuses
to
that
level
so
wilma.
G
A
A
B
Sure,
let's
see
where
we
convened
at
10
persianson
here
jackson
here.
E
A
Excellent.
Thank
you
now
that
we've
heard
from
both
of
the
incumbents
from
the
oakland
county
board
of
canvassers,
I'd
like
to
open
up
the
floor
to
discuss
the
legislative
affair
and
government
operations
recommendation
to
appoint
one
democrat
and
one
republican
to
the
board
of
county
canvassers
for
a
four-year
term
starting
november
1st
2021.
E
Did
I
make
the
motion?
Did
marshall
make
the
most
okay
so.
A
Commissioner,
gershenson
withdraws
the
initial
emotion
and
the
support
has
also
been
withdrawn.
Okay,.
E
So
I
will
I
mean
well
first,
I
want
to
thank
the
chair
for
taking
this
meeting
and
having
this
conversation
due
to
our
statutory
responsibility.
We
have
to
take
action
10
days
within
our
annual
meeting,
while
our
annual
meeting
is
tomorrow
and
our
next
board
meeting
is
outside
that
10
days
and
that's
why
we
I
mean
we
took
the
steps
to
convene
to
have
this
conversation
so
that
we
could
take
action
at
our
annual
meeting
and
make
these
appointments
as
a
as
a
form
of
process.
E
What
happens
is
that
we
do
have
nominations
from
both
the
republican
and
the
democratic
parties
of
oakland
county
and
all
commissioners
will
have
a
paper
ballot
issued
to
them
on
the
floor
and
they'll
cast
their
vote,
and
so
for
my
emotion
right
now.
E
What
I'm
comfortable
doing
right
now-
and
I
think
I
mean
I
mean
I
think,
there's
some
reflection-
that
I
have
to
do
between
now
and
then
I'm
comfortable,
for
I
mean
ligo,
recommending
the
appointment
of
gloria
harrison
spann
for
the
democratic
nominee,
and
I
I
mean
they're,
remaining
silent
on
the
other,
realizing
that
the
ballots
will
be
distributed
and
a
vote
will
happen
because
we
have
the
september
29th
at
the
september
29th
meeting.
E
A
A
No,
I
think
he
has
a
question
so
commissioner
gershon
seconds,
commissioner
spizz.
G
E
Proposing
commission,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
that's
exactly
what
I
mean.
Yes,
we
can
make
that
the
ballots
will
still
be
issued.
The
the
ballots
with
all
three
names
on
both
of
both
the
democratic
and
the
republican
candidates
will
all
be
issued,
but
from
a
committee
recommendation
remain
remain
blank
on
the
recommendation
of
the
republican.