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A
B
B
Next
up
we'll
move
on
to
approval
of
the
minutes.
We've
got
two
meetings
to
approve
minutes
of
we've
got
item
a
which
is
committee
minute
from
september
14th,
2021
and
committee
minutes
from
september
28th
2021..
If
there
aren't
any
corrections
needed,
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
liu
support
by
commissioner
joliet?
B
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
motion
carries
next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
our
regular
agenda.
There
are
any
corrections
or
changes.
Do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
loops
support
by
commissioner
jackson?
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
public
comment.
As
a
reminder,
this
public
comment
is
for
items
related
to
the
agenda.
C
Good
morning,
commissioners,
my
name
is
katherine
kennedy
and
I'm
from
lake
orion,
and
there
was
another
meeting.
I
thought
it
was
this
meeting
on
the
14th,
where
the
executive
officers
were
going
to
do
zero
percent
salary
increase
for
those
staff,
and
I
believe
marcia
had
called
for
detail
to
who
exactly
by
name
was
impacted
by
that
budget.
Amendment
change
and
I
never
saw
anything
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
if
it
just
kind
of
got
fallen
by
the
wayside.
C
C
So
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
inflationary
pressure
that's
being
put
on
by
creating
so
many
positions
and
departments,
especially
the
department
of
environment
and
the
public
communications,
is
a
very
big
problem,
especially
since
a
million
dollars
was
taken
from
homeland
security
on
the
15th
after
the
budget,
hearings
were
done
and
moved
to
mr
colter's
public
communications
committee
to
staff
15
people
to
have
centralized
communication
for
our
county.
I
object
to
these
socialist
agenda
items
and
I
really
am
very
concerned
about
the
entire
direction
of
our
county.
C
Putting
in
these
programs
that
are
permanently
going
to
inflate
the
cost,
every
ounce
of
county
government
and
are
not
in
the
best
interests
of
our
citizens
and
do
not
protect
the
citizens,
which
is
the
number
one
job
of
the
government,
is
to
protect
and
serve
the
citizens,
not
those
that
want
to
overturn
our
government.
Thank
you.
B
D
Morning,
good
morning
my
name
is
tasha
shergin,
I'm
from
the
clarkson
area.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
in
complete
agreement
with
catherine
kennedy
and
what
she
just
said
and
keeping
the
budget-
I
don't
know
the
exact
words
to
say
but
being
able
to
support
the
citizens
of
this
county.
The
best
we
can
is
your
number
one
job
so
just
know
that
we
are
watching
and
we
have
expectations
of
each
commissioner.
B
Is
there
anyone
else
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
address
the
legislative
affairs
and
government
operations
committee
this
morning,
all
righty,
seeing
none?
I
will
close
public
comment
next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
number
eight,
which
is
our
consent
agenda.
We
have
four
honorary
memorial
communication.
B
So
we're
skipping
to
eight
because
there
are
no
items
under
communication
under
the
consent
agenda.
We've
got
four
honorary
memorial
resolutions
item
a
resolution
declaring
october
2021
is
domestic
violence;
awareness
month
in
oakland,
county
item
b,
designation
of
october
2020
2021
as
national
attention
deficit,
hyper
disorder
awareness
month
in
oakland,
county
item
c,
recognizing
october
2021
as
national
disability,
employment
awareness
month
in
oakland,
county
and
d
designation
of
october
2021
as
breast
cancer
awareness
month
in
oakland
county.
Do
we
have
a
motion
for
all
of
these
items?
A
On
the
consent
agenda,
commissioners-
gershon,
yes,
jackson;
yes,
yes,
julia,
yes,
nelson!
Yes,
man,
I'm
sure
you
have
five
years
and
zero.
B
F
Is
amy?
I've
tried
reaching
jim
and
I
haven't
heard
back
and
I
don't
see
him
on
the
go
to
meeting.
B
Okay,
so
what
we'll
do
at
this
time
is
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda.
If
mr
ryan
does
make
it
to
this
meeting,
we'll
find
a
place
to
have
him.
Thank
you,
amy.
B
G
It
is
a
good
morning,
thank
you,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
share
our
enthusiasm
for
the
history
of
oakland
county
and
we're
pleased
to
be
here
so
again.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
We
do
have
a
presentation
that
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
call
up
and
we'll
move
through
that
excellent
and
I'm
going
to
slip
to
the
side
here.
So,
let's
just
go
to
the
next
slide.
G
I
don't
expect
you
to
read
this.
This
is
just
what
brought
us
into
existence
back
in
the
days
of
the
you,
the
united
states
bicentennial,
and
it
spells
out
some
of
the
things
that
the
board
of
commissioners
and
the
county
executive
wanted
a
historical
commission
to
do
so.
Let's
look
at
the
next
one.
G
We
really
bubbly
boil
these
down
to
three
things.
One
is
advocacy.
We
feel
that
our
role
is
to
encourage
and
support
history
in
the
county.
The
next
one
is
figuring
out.
You
know
how
we
do
this,
and
so
we
have
supported
over
the
past
year
and
we're
looking
forward
to
we're
looking
forward
to
more
of
these
activities
in
the
future.
G
G
G
G
And
we
worked
last
year
to
help
pass
the
tax
incentives
for
preserving
historical
structures.
Next,
we've
worked
with
the
freedom
trail
and
one
of
our
commissioners
on
the
left
was
very
active
on
the
state
level,
but
she
was
on
our
commission,
although
she
had
to
resign
because
she's
a
phd
candidate
down
at
wayne
state,
and
so
we
lost
her
but
we'll
talk
about
replacements
in
a
moment.
G
Next,
as
an
example
on
the
county
level,
we've
worked
with
the
history
coalition
and
we've
worked
with
the
cemetery
committee
and
trying
to
promote
and
encourage
historical
activities.
Next
one
we
work
with
economic
development
and
helping
to
assess
certain
structures
that
have
historic
value
and
trying
to
provide
education
about
those.
Let's
look
at
the
next
one.
G
G
G
G
G
G
We
also
get
called
upon
on
occasions
to
try
and
identify
particular
artifacts
that
come
to
local
groups.
We
try
and
help
provide
information
like
you
know.
What
is
it?
Actually?
It's
a
scoop,
but
it's
a
native
american
scoop.
That's
several
hundred
years
old
next
one.
G
G
G
We
would
hope
to
do
it
at
a
convenient
time
when
you're
coming
in
for
a
meeting
anyway
come
in
five
minutes
early,
maybe
a
photo
op
get
a
some
punch
and
a
cookie
and
look
at
the
exhibit
I'd
encourage
you
to
look
at
it.
We
feel
very
excited
and
proud
about
it.
It's
a
good
example
of
our
educational
efforts.
Let's
look
at
the
next
one
again.
The
lecture
series,
both
jim
craft
and
carol
eggbow,
have
been
very
active
in
going
out
and
representing
the
county
level,
giving
lectures
at
local
levels.
G
Next,
one
working
on
a
facebook
page
and
we'd
like
to
expand
that
and
that's
on
our
potential
agenda.
Next,
we
were
able
to
create
last
year.
Some
of
you
may
recognize
this
little
booklet
that
we
put
together
and
it
was
a
nice
little
piece
about
the
the
bicentennial.
G
G
G
G
G
G
Does
anyone
know
where
the
oakland
county
archive
is?
We
don't
have
one
so
labeled?
I
have
a
nice
conversation
with
a
county
clerk,
lisa
brown
and
she
really
is
running
an
archive
of
a
lot
of
data.
If
you
want
marriage
information,
marriage
license
information,
births,
deaths,
land
ownership,
her
office
handles
a
lot
of
that,
but
she's
not
in
a
position
to
expand
services
with
reduced
resources.
So
this
is
something
I'm.
Hopefully
I'm
planting
a
seed
today
that
in
your
lifetime,
if
you're
younger
than
I
am
hopefully
you'll,
see
an
archive.
G
G
City
of
rochester
hills
through
the
van
hoosen
museum,
their
archivist
said
in
the
midst
of
the
covet
19
who's
going
to
know
what
happened
so
she
aggressively
started
collecting
materials.
She
got
a
box
and
started
putting
things
in
the
box.
She
started
going
down
the
street,
taking
pictures
clothes
due
to
the
you
know,
to
the
code,
19
or
or
sorry
no
service
inside
and
I
started
collecting
materials.
G
I
had
a
nice
chat
with
her
and
said:
what
would
it
take
to
inspire
other
cities,
blue
cities,
communities
to
start
a
similar
project
to
just
get
a
box?
What
would
it
take,
and
she
said
probably
with
about
three
hundred
dollars-
you
could
hire
someone
to
just
work
short
short
time.
Just
to
start
the
project
figure
out
what
to
do,
how
to
do
it
and
so
for
three
thousand
dollars.
We
could
start
ten
of
those
projects
around
the
country.
G
G
G
G
Yeah,
how
do
I
say
this
delicately?
It
would
be
nice
if
we
had
a
little
more
yeah,
but
anyway,
okay.
Let's
look
at
the
next
one,
we're
thankful
for
what
we've
got
so
here
we
are
we're
a
group
of
enthusiastic
individuals.
We
want
to
preserve,
we
want
to
educate,
we
want
to
collaborate
with
others,
and
we
want
to
just
preserve
a
little
bit
of
our
of
our
history.
I
will
let
you
know
that
we
had
three
of
our
commissioners,
one
back
to
graduate
school.
One
had
a
job
opportunity
and
one
had
the
family
responsibility.
G
They
had
to
resign,
but
we
have
in
the
pipeline
three
folks
who
have
submitted
their
paperwork
according
to
the
format.
Dave
woodward's
he's
received
those,
and
it
should
be
on
one
of
your
upcoming
agendas.
We're
excited
because,
as
we
encourage
them
to
submit
their
paperwork,
we're
broadening
our
geographic
distribution
and
our
ethnic
distribution
and
our
background
distribution.
So
hopefully
you'll
see
that
on
an
agenda
item
in
the
near
future.
So
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
of
coming
and
sharing.
Thank
you
for
your
support
and
we'll
see
you
next
year.
Excellent.
B
E
I
also
think
that
it's
time
to
review
your
mission
and
the
the
one
you
the
one
slide,
you
went
over
very
quickly
things
change
projects
come
up,
you're,
working
on
a
mission
that
was
established.
I
don't
remember
what
year
the
commission
is.
G
E
Right,
I
would
like
to
review
that
because
we're
also
getting
more
input
from
local
historical
commissions,
so
I
kind
of
want
to
review
the
relationship,
and
I
want
to
remind
commissioners
that
our
historic
commission
is
volunteer
based.
So
when
we
get
a
request
from
a
local
and
we
want
to,
we
want
to
talk
to
our
historic
commission
they're,
not
at
our
beck
and
call
they're,
not
staff,
they're
volunteers,
and
I
just
want
to
re-look
at
the
structure.
E
I
want
to
look
at
your
budget
and
so
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you
a
little
bit
more
because
for
many
years
we
have
been
expecting
a
request
from
you
of
an
increased
budget,
considering
you've
been
operating
on
2500
for
a
long
time,
and
I
think
I
think
it's
just
time
to
review
so
I'll.
Make
myself
available.
G
And-
and
thank
you
for
that,
one
of
the
agenda
we
meet
tonight
and
our
homework
assignment
was
bring
together
and
we're
going
to
create
a
list
of
what
we
want
to
accomplish.
G
G
B
B
Commissioners,
do
we
have
a
motion
to
receive
and
file
the
powerpoint
presentation
motion
by
commissioner
joliet's
support
by
commissioner
lups?
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
motion
carries
already
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
item
a
under
our
regular
agenda.
I
do
believe.
We've
got
mr
ryan
here
with
us
virtually
now
so
good
morning.
Jim.
H
Good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
the
board,
it's
good
to
see
you.
I
apologize
for
being
a
little
bit
late
there.
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
brief
update.
As
you
know,
this
the
state
and
the
governor
signed
the
budget,
the
state
legislature
passed
and
the
governor
signed
the
budget
recently.
H
However,
what
makes
this
different
than
past
years
is
the
appropriations
committee's
now
moved
immediately
into
the
over
nine
billion
dollars
of
arp
funds
from
the
feds,
and
they
have
set
an
aggressive
timeline
to
begin
spending
these
funds.
Hopefully
they
want
to
have
bills
ready
by
the
middle
of
thanksgiving.
H
I
mean
the
middle
of
november,
so
as
we
as
the
policy
committees
begin
to
meet
again
dealing
with
election
issues
and
other
issues
of
policy.
It's
important
to
recognize
that
there's
almost
as
much
money
in
the
arp
funds
that
there
is
in
discretionary
funding
as
a
whole
for
the
entire
state
budget.
H
So
that's
what's
going
on
here
currently
in
lansing
today,.
B
Excellent.
Thank
you,
mr
ryan.
Commissioners.
Is
there
any
questions
that
you
have
for
mr
ryan
this
morning.
A
B
Any
other
questions
comments
for
mr
ryan.
B
H
B
I
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
loud
and
clear
good
morning,
lisa
wonderful
good
morning.
First,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
up
this
resolution.
We
are
just
about
ready
to
go,
live
with
our
new
platform
and
I
think
dr
stamps
kind
of
teed
me
up
quite
nicely
there.
Before
I
get
into
it.
I
want
to
introduce
fred
miller.
My
deputy
and
ben
montgomery
is
new
to
the
county.
I
swiped
him
from
wayne
county.
He
is
my
new
chief
deputy
register,
so
say
hi,
guys.
I
So
the
resolution
that
we
have
before
you
this
morning
is
an
updated
fee
schedule
for
to
get
a
copy
online
of
our
property
records.
So
for
the
last
well
since
2014,
I
think
2014
is
when
I
brought
on
the
super
index.
We've
really
had
two
searchable
databases
for
property
records
and
I
will
say
that
professionals
have
used
the
traditional,
because
that
was
always
there.
That
was
our
land
access
and
the
way
that
we
charged
on
that
program
was
you
paid
to
search
with
the
super
index.
I
It
is
you
search
is
for
free.
So
if
you
like
people,
call
me
and
say,
I'm
I'm
worried
that
somebody
put
a
lien
on
my
on
my
home.
You
can
go
into
the
super
index
and
look
to
see
what
documents
are
on
your
property
or
in
your
name
or
what.
However,
you
want
to
search
it
by.
You
won't
see
the
whole
document
until
unless
you
pay
so,
but
you
would
be
able
to
see
what
documents
are
there,
so
I
can
look
up
for
somebody
to
go
nope.
I
The
last
thing
that
was
recorded
was
an
assignment
of
your
mortgage.
There's
no
lien,
you
know
other
than
a
mortgage,
you're
you're,
you're
you're
good,
and
I
think
that
having
that
kind
of
access
to
public
records
is
very
important.
Accessibility
has
always
been
a
priority
to
me.
These
are
public
records
so
for
people
to
be
able
to
see
what
documents
are
there,
I
think
is
very
important.
So,
but
not
so
we
are.
We
are
kind
of
migrating.
I
I
guess
I
would
say
to
this
new
fee
structure,
because
the
public
will
be
only
using
the
super
index.
So
again
they
can
still
search
for
free,
but
if
they
want
to
see
a
document
they
have
to
pay
well,
we
we
have
subscribers
and
we
did
not
have
any
subscription.
I
We
didn't
have
a
fee
schedule
for
subscriptions
in
the
super
index,
because
anyone
who
was
having
access
to
documents
on
a
subscription
basis
was
doing
it
on
the
traditional
program
with
the
pay
to
search.
So
it's
not
an
apples
to
apples
change
of
fee
structure,
because
one
you
were
paying
to
search
this
you're
paying
for
the
actual
document
and
instead
of
me
just
talking
and
talking.
I
guess
I'd
rather
answer
any
questions.
If
there
are
any,
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward,
but
I
you
know
I
live
and
breathe
this.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Gershenson.
E
Thank
you
so
lisa
or
fred
or
I'm
sorry.
Your
your
name
was
ben
welcome
ben.
Thank
you
give
me
an
example
of
an
organization
or
business
that
would
do
that
would
take
out
a
subscription.
I
A
title
company,
a
title
company
would
be
a
great
example
of
someone
who
has
a
subscription.
E
I
It's
hard
to
compare,
I
will
say
my
my
former
chief
deputy
register
jen
and
I
spent
hours
going
over
this
trying
to
make
it
comparable
as
we
could,
but
without
knowing
how
many
documents
they
would
download
from
their
searches.
It's
really
it
was
it's
not.
It
wasn't
easy
to
to
know
that
information,
but
we
we
don't
think
we
don't
think
that
this
is
and
yes.
E
Okay,
good
on
the
paper
access
for
the
individual.
How
does
that
five
dollars
transaction?
That's
what
it's.
I
I
might
be
I'm
trying
to
remember
it
might
be
the
dollar
per
document.
Isn't
it
might
be
the,
and
I
don't
have
the
old
one
in
front
of
me.
Maybe
fred
has
it
up
to
three
pages
after
three
pages.
I
think
that
might
be
something
new.
I
So
that's,
actually
you
know
a
bargain
if
you
think
about
it,
so
we're
not
increasing
anything
there
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
even
had
the
maximum
charge
before
of
the
50.
So.
I
Yeah
so
so,
and
we
really
don't
have
and
again
jen
and
I
spent
hours
figuring
that
out-
and
you
know
we
don't
have
that
many
documents.
That
would
be
that
many
pages,
that's
like
an
oil
and
gas
lease
which
we
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
those
in
oakland
county.
So,
okay,.
B
I
have
a
couple
questions
number
one
and
marcia
may
have
asked
this,
but
just
to
see
clarification
when
you
do
download
a
document
is
it
is
the
fee
per
download
or
is
there
a
fee
per
page.
I
So
it's
kind
of
both
depending
upon
how
many
documents
you're
downloading.
But
the
five
dollars
is
the
is
the
overall
and
then
and
then
you
have
that
document
charge
a
dollar
per
document
up
to
three
pages
and
then
that
50
cents
per
page
after
so,
but
if
you're
doing
more
than
one
document
right.
So
there's
the
one
five
dollar
transaction
charge
and
then
you're
going
to
the
document
charge
for
each
document.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
last
question
is:
when
is
the
new
fee
schedule
expected
to
be
implemented.
I
Well,
we're
now
gonna
go
live
october,
18th.
If
everything
goes
well
with
the
excellent.
B
A
I
Fix
it
six
dollars,
if
you
and
that's
if
you
wanted
the
whole
document.
Yes,
if
you
just
want
to
see,
if
there's
a
document
there,
then
that's
that's
free
and
I
will
do
a
little
commercial
if
I
can
once
again
because
people
do
like.
I
I
just
said
people
do
call
to
say
if
they
want
to
know
if
there's
a
lien
on
their
home
or
something
like
that-
and
I
will
say
especially
as
elected
officials,
you
should
all
be
signed
up
for
property
records
notification
prn
my
program,
that
would
it's
like
a
google
alert
on
our
property
records
and
you
get
an
email.
If
something
you
have
to
create
an
account,
but
if
something
is
recorded
on
your
property,
you'd
get
an
email
notifying
you
sorry.
I
have
to
do
my
commercial.
E
So
will
this
be
a
revenue
generator
for
you
cost
neutral
or.
I
I
It's
not
apples
to
apples
like
I
said
jen
and
I
worked
really
hard
to
try
and
figure
this
out,
and
I
I
mean
time
will
tell
it
may
be
that
in
a
year
I
come
back
to
you
with
changes
just
to
see
like
how
it
impacts
a
couple
of
the
line
items
that
this
revenue
goes
into
in
the
general
fund,
but
I
don't
view
it
as
I
don't
foresee
it
being
a
like
a
huge
increase
or
anything
like
that.
That's
that's
not
what
I
was
looking
to
do
by
any
means.
So.
J
A
quick
comment
I
just
want
to
say
it
sounds
like
a
really
good
program
for
our
residents,
and
I
know
in
the
past,
during
the
great
recession
or
prior
to
it,
when
a
lot
of
property
was
moving
around.
J
I
am
glad
to
see
mr
montgomery
join
the
staff
coming
from
wayne
county
because
we
all
heard
about
a
lot
of
the
ills
that
is
going
on
in
detroit
and
clear
titles,
and
things
like
that.
So
I'm
sure
that
your
eye
is
going
to
be
a
good
one
here
for
our
county,
so
welcome
and
thank
you
lisa
for
this
program.
J
B
Any
further
discussion
on
this
item
already
see
none,
madam
clerk,
if
you
don't
have
any
objection,
I'd
like
to
make
an
amendment
to
correct
the
date
from
october
14th
to
october
18th,
so
do
we
have
else.
I
Do
we
have
support
if,
okay,
I
see
what
you're
saying
I
don't,
I
think
that's,
okay,
I
fred.
Are
we
okay
with
that.
D
If
I
could,
the.
H
The
team,
so
the
18th
is
a
monday.
That's
our
technic
technical
go
live
date.
The
our
vendor
is
going
to
be
in
over
the
weekend
kind
of
installing,
so
there
might
be
a
period
over
the
weekend.
So
maybe,
as
a
compromise
we
could
say
the
16th.
B
A
B
Five
yay
zero,
nay
motion
carried
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
the
resolution.
Is
there
any
further
discussion?
A
Commissioner
lubes,
yes,
jackson,
yes,
julia,
yes,
dershinson,
yes,
nelson!
Yes,.
B
B
K
So
the
request
before
you
is
really
a
two-part
request.
One
is
the
grant
acceptance.
So
every
year
we
come
before
you
to
ask
for
your
acceptance
of
the
midc
grant.
What
that
grant
does?
Is
it
funds
anything
that
is
required
over
and
above
the
county's
local
share,
so
the
midc,
which
is
the
michigan
indigent
defense
commission,
passes
standards
implements
standards
which
are
approved
by
lara
and
counties
any
indigent
defense
provider
which
the
county
is
for
our
sixth
circuit
court
and
because
we're
the
funding
unit
we're
also
the
indigent
defense
provider
for
the
52nd
district
courts.
K
K
We
also
are
required
every
year
to
contribute
our
local
share.
The
local
share
is
a
statutory
calculation
based
on
the
three
fiscal
years
prior
to
the
midc
act,
taking
effect
which
were
10,
11
and
12,
and
it
goes
up
every
year
by
three
percent
or
the
rate
of
inflation.
Whichever
is
less,
and
so
this
year
our
local
share
is
1.85
million,
so
that
is
the
first
piece
is
actually
accepting
that
grant.
The
second
piece
of
this
is
creating
the
new
division
under
the
county
executive
administration.
K
The
reason
that
we
need
to
do
that
is
to
implement
standard
five
of
the
midc
and
so
standard
five
requires
that
many
functions
which
were
previously
handled
by
the
court
by
the
judiciary
have
to
become
independent
of
the
judiciary.
That's
the
title
of
the
standard
independence
of
the
judiciary
and
so
where,
in
the
past,
we
have
been
accustomed
to
our
court,
doing
all
of
the
appointments
so
physically
appointing
all
of
the
attorneys
for
criminal
indigent
defendants.
The
court
can
no
longer
do
that.
K
That
function
has
to
be
independent
of
the
judiciary,
where,
in
the
past,
we've
been
used
to
the
court
approving
requests.
If
a
defendant
has
a
request
for
an
expert
or
an
investigator
to
assist
in
their
defense
historically,
the
court
would
prove
that
the
court
can
no
longer
do
that
based
on
midc
standard
five,
it
has
to
be
independent
of
the
judiciary,
and
so
that
is
why
this
new
division
is
is
being
created.
K
One
of
the
other
things
that
is
built
into
this
year's
grant
and
is
our
ongoing
feasibility
study.
The
sixth
amendment
center
is
currently
doing
a
feasibility
study
for
the
county
to
determine
the
best
model
for
our
indigent
defense
services
moving
forward.
So
currently
we
are
what
is
called
a
managed
assigned
council
system.
So
all
of
our
attorneys
are
independent
contractors.
K
They
get
appointed
to
cases
in
a
rotational
basis.
Based
on
how
much
experience
they
have.
That's
what
dictates
the
level
of
case
that
they
are
allowed
to
receive
and
the
sixth
amendment
center
feasibility
study
is
going
to
collect
all
of
the
data.
They
are
really
experts
in
this
field,
they've
done
it
for
wayne,
county
and
and
many
other
jurisdictions
across
the
country
and
they're
going
to
give
us
a
recommendation
about
how
to
better
provide
services
moving
forward.
K
B
Well,
first
pete,
I
would
like
to
say:
congratulations
on
being
the
county's
first
chief
attorney
for
indigenous
defense.
B
L
L
L
So
we
essentially
received
a
waiver
for
confidential
space
and
what
they
did
was
they
moved
an
employee,
vicki
nellis
to
novi
and
they
had
a
an
actual
office
in
clarkston.
For
that
purpose,
are
you
talking
about
for
in
custody,
yeah,
so
yeah?
There
is
there
a
place
for
them
to
meet
that's
separate,
and
where
is
that
it's
just
off
the
counter
toward
the
back
hallway
of
the
judges.
It's
vicky
nellis's
old
office.
Okay,
if
you
know
that
employee,
I'm
not
sure,
I.
L
B
A
E
So
just
to
clarify:
are
you
saying
that
the
clarkson
confidentiality
room
is
in
novi
or
it's
it
they
they
were
able
to
move
a
person
from
that
court
to
open
that
space?
Yes,
okay,
because
confidentiality
was
a
huge
issue
for
me
in
supporting
the
increase
to
that
budget
of
that
particular
court
pete.
Can
you
explain
to
me
what
is
that?
What
was
the
thinking
of
needing
to
separate
indigent
cases
from
the
court.
K
Well,
I
I
think
that
the
background
to
this
is
a
long-standing
belief
which
certainly
there
were
disagreements.
I
don't
know
that
it
was
a
belief
across
the
board,
but
it
was
the
belief
that
carried
the
day
that,
when
the
judge
is
directly
appointing
the
defense
attorney,
who
is
going
to
appear
before
her
in
a
case
that
that
creates
a
perceived
conflict
of
interest.
The
defense
attorney
might
want
to
curry
favor
with
the
judge.
Instead
of
helping
or
providing
the
best
legal
assistance
she
can
to
her
client.
E
I
understand
that,
thank
you
also,
so
this
affects
the
52nd,
but
what
about
all
of
our
other
district
courts.
K
So
we
we
are
fairly
unique
in
the
state
in
terms
of
the
number
of
district
courts
that
we
have
in
the
way
in
which
they're
funded
each
other.
Each
of
the
other
district
courts
beyond
the
52s
have
their
own
funding
unit
and
so
the
way
that
the
midc
act
defines
what
an
indigent
defense
system
is
is
based
on
funding
units.
So
each
of
those
district
courts
has
their
own
indigent
defense
system
and
so,
for
example,
the
the
43rd
district
courts.
They
will
have
their
own
indigent
defense
administrator.
K
K
K
L
Yes,
so
there's
none
there's
out
of
custody
space
and
the
cut
the
in
custody
space.
L
It
it
cost
1.2
million
dollars
for
the
jail
and
for
this
court
building.
So
it
was
significant.
K
J
Thank
you.
Please
excuse
me,
I'm
having
a
lot
of
issues
with
my
eye
today,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
further
recommendations
may
make
the
way
for
a
local
public
defender's
office.
J
In
your
opinion,
because
in
looking
at
cash
or
bail
on
reform
and
relief
efforts,
I
was
told
that
these
groups
typically
work
through
public
defenders
offices.
Do
you
feel
as
though
it's
a
rarity
for
us
not
to
have
one
and
do
you
feel
we
could
operate
more
efficiently?
Administering
this
program
through
one.
K
I
will
say
I
don't
think
it's
a
rarity
if
you
compare
it
to
the
other
counties
in
michigan
of
our
size.
There
are
certainly
other
public
defenders
offices
in
michigan
in
different
counties
of
varying
sizes.
But,
like
I
said
wayne
county
does
a
contracted
model
with
a
non-profit
macomb
county
has
one,
but
it
currently
is
is
fairly
small.
K
I
think
they
have
four
employees
last
last
count
so
they're
getting
up
and
running
the
bail
reform
or
bond
reform
link
to
a
public
defender's
office.
I
think
what
most
people
think
of
when
they
link
those
two
things
together
is
quality
of
representation,
and
so
even
right
now,
based
on
one
of
the
midc
standards,
we
have
an
appointed
attorney
present
with
it
with
defendants
at
every
arraignment,
and
so
when
a
defendant
is
getting
arraigned
first
time
that
they've
seen
the
judge,
the
judge
is
going
to
set
their
bail.
K
K
A
public
defender's
office
would
do
the
same
thing.
They
would
appear
at
arraignment
with
with
that
client.
Would
they
have
any
better
advocacy
or
not?
I
don't
know
that.
That's
probably
an
open
question
on
whether
there
would
be
better
advocacy
or
not,
but
but
the
provision
of
counsel,
so
someone
to
argue
for
that
defendant
to
get
as
low
a
bail
as
possible.
That
is
already
happening.
J
Thank
you
and,
and
the
future
will
play
out
to
see
if
that
does
occur
here,
if
we
do
have
an
office
whatever
model.
K
J
A
J
A
B
Joining
us
this
morning,
next
up
we'll
move
on
to
item
e
collective
bargaining
agreement,
fiscal
year,
2022-2025
united,
auto
workers,
local
889
uaw,
representing
chief
animal
control
officer
and
animal
control
supervisor.
Do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
joliette
support
by
commissioner
gershenson
good
morning
april
good
morning.
F
Okay,
you'll
see
me
again
today
next
time
this
one
is
again
what
we
call
a
supplemental
with
the
uaw
contract
that
was
approved
back
in
december,
and
just
so
you
know
we
have
12
supplementals,
so
we
have
a
few
more
coming
our
way,
this
one
is
in
particular
for
the
animal
control
supervisors
again
like
in
alignment
the
last
few
times.
Most
of
this
is
just
memorializing,
some
of
the
practices
they're
already
doing
so
that
it's
in
play
within
the
union
contract
and
clarification
of
schedules
and
things
of
that
nature.
F
A
B
Next
up
we'll
move
on
to
item
f,
which
is
collective
bargaining
agreement
fiscal
year,
2022,
2024
united,
auto
workers,
local
889
uaw,
representing
non-supervisory
employees
of
auditor,
one.
Two
and
three:
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
lube
support
by
commissioner
gershenson
again
welcome
april.
F
Same
as
before,
this
is
supplemental
under
the
uaw
contract.
This
one
was
fairly
simple,
just
confirming
the
allowability
for
alternative
work
schedules
and
holiday
pay.
Excellent.
B
A
F,
let's
make
sure
I
set
the
current
commissioner
gerstenson.
Yes,
lubes,
yes,
jackson,
yes,
julia,
yes,
nelson!
Yes,
man,
I'm
sure
you
have
five
yays
and
zero
nights.
B
Excellent.
Thank
you.
Next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
item
g,
collective
bargaining
agreement,
fiscal
year,
2022,
2024,
united,
auto
workers,
local
889
uaw,
representing
supervisory
and
non-supervisory
employees
of
the
management
and
budget
department.
Do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
lube's
support
by
commissioner
jackson
and.
F
So
just
I
want
to
also
offer
some.
There
might
be
some
confusion,
so
the
uaw
is
allowed
to
card
check
based
on
classification
or
department.
So
some
classifications,
like
you
saw
the
auditors,
wanted
to
be
their
own
supplemental
and
then
some
just
went
by
department.
So
you'll
see
here,
the
m
b
department
as
a
whole
is
covered
under
this
particular
group.
So
you'll
see
here
under
equalization
again
they're
out
in
the
field,
so
we
address
their
boot
allowance
and
their
equipment
that
they
might
need
outside,
and
then
we
have
a.
F
B
A
B
Five
years
zero
name
motion
carries
next,
we'll
move
on
to
9h
collective
bargaining
agreement
fiscal
year,
2022-2024
united,
auto
workers,
local
889
uaw,
representing
sheriff's
office
supervisory
employees
of
work
projects
supervisor.
Do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
gershenson
support
by
commissioner
jackson.
F
F
Yeah,
so
we
allow,
through
the
mirror,
rules
already
of
an
ability
for
410s,
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
if
we
start
looking
at
hybrid
for
the
virtual
platform,
but
this
is
in
particular
for
the
ability
to
continue
to
work
four
tens
where
it
works
within
the
unit,
so
it
was
actually
already
in
the
mirror
rules
that
allowed
for
that.
So
yes,.
E
F
Yeah,
no,
we
are
seeing
an
interest
in
that
we're
working
through
that
right
now
about
like
where
it
works,
where
it
might
not
work
and
so
far
it
seems
to
be
everybody's
kind
of
managing
that
through
their
own
department
and
finding
success
and
we're
in
in
doing
both
of
those
things
so
far,
so
we're
working
through
all
of
that.
But
yes,
the.
A
B
F
Okay,
this
is
its
own
unit.
This
is
the
prosecutor.
Investigators
is
their
own
division,
our
own
unit
in
a
labor
agreement.
F
They
are,
they
have
requested
a
one
percent
wage
increase
or
a
general
increase
based
on
the
non-union
folks,
so
they'll
get
whatever
the
non-union
folks
get,
and
then
we
just
updated
their
clothing
allowance
and
again
the
same
with
the
holiday
work
week
and
then
their
changes
to
benefits
in
any
kind
of
for
employee
health
care,
retirement
or
deferred
compensation
also
falls
in
alignment
with
the
non-union,
so
whatever
we
get,
they
will
get
as
well.
So
that's
a
fairly
small
contract.
F
Yeah,
so
for
them,
let
me
pull
it
up
really
quick,
it
just
depends
a
lot
for
them.
They
have
to
go
to
court,
so
it
would
be
suit,
cleaning
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
I'll
just
double
check
here.
F
B
B
M
B
B
Commissioners
questions
comments,
discussion.
E
Okay,
again,
sometimes
it's
it's
easier
for
us
to
know
who
you're
talking
about
rather
than
just
the
title.
So
I
would
love
to
get
that
information,
but
it's
on
it's
in
it's
in.
I
don't
see
it
so.
B
A
B
H
Good
morning,
commissioners,
can
you
all
hear
me
all
right?
Yes
great,
so
I
guess
I'll
start
by
way
of
introduction.
It's
been
a
while,
since
I've
been
before
the
committee
and
there's
some
new
names
and
faces,
so
my
name
is
aaron
castle.
I
am
currently
the
legal
counsel
to
the
oakland
county
retirement
and
deferred
compensation
board
and
with
me,
in
the
virtual
meeting,
is
the
acting
retirement
administrator,
carly
webster?
H
So
if,
if
you
have
any
questions
that
I
can't
answer,
I'm
sure
she'll
be
able
to
chime
in
and
help
me
out,
but
I
did
want
to
briefly
summarize
the
proposed
amendments
to
the
457
deferred
compensation
plan.
H
This
is
essentially
a
culmination
of
two
plus
years
of
efforts
between
the
administration
and
the
retirement
unit
and
the
retirement
board
and
tax
counsel
and
the
irs
addressing
some
compliance
issues
regarding
re-employed
retirees
and
in-service
distributions.
So
part
of
the
proposed
amendments
were
required
by
the
irs
pursuant
to
an
agreement
that
was
entered
into
with
them
earlier
this
year.
H
This
second
portion
of
the
proposed
amendments
were
done
to
address
the
possibility
of
adding
a
roth
source
through
the
457
plan,
which
would
allow
employees
that
are
participating
in
the
plan
and
to
make
post-tax
contributions
under
the
raw
provisions
of
the
internal
revenue
code.
So
you
know
these
are
relatively
straightforward
amendments.
A
B
A
good
day
you
as
well
moving
to
the
next
agenda
item
nine
l
resolution
temporary
increase
in
rate
of
overtime
pay
to
reduce
employee
mandatory
overtime
hours.
Do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
loops
support
by
commissioner
gershenson
good
morning.
O
My
name
again
is
brian
partogian.
I
am
a
executive
board
member
with
the
ocds.
E
O
Okay,
I'm
sorry
again:
brian
partookian
oakland,
county
deputy
sheriff's
association
board
member.
O
N
That's
it
he's
a
good
guy.
I
just
want
you
to
know
who
who's
sitting
there
with
you
so
I'll
give
you
a
little
history
on
why
we're
here
today?
Okay,
when
I
hired
in
the
department
many
many
years
ago,
we'd
have
openings.
I
competed
against
800
other
people
for
six
openings
and
you've
all
heard
this
before
this
is
a
problem.
It's
not
only
in
oakland
county,
it's
na
it's
statewide
and
it's
nationwide.
N
We
have
a
huge
amount
of
vacancies
that
we
constantly
struggle
to
fill
and
I'll
focus
in
on
corrections.
First,
our
corrections
deputies
do
a
great
job.
They
work
under
very
difficult
circumstances.
Within
our
correctional
system.
45,
almost
45
of
our
inmates
are
on
psychotropic
meds.
We
have
what
is
called
k
block
which
houses
nothing
but
people
with
severe
mental
disabilities
that
are
in
single
cells
that
there's
actually
a
need,
probably
for
more.
N
But,
as
you
know,
when
governor
engler
closed,
the
mental
hospitals,
down
jails
became
a
dumping
ground
and
my
boss,
mike
bouchard,
voted
against
the
closing
of
those
hospitals.
Just
you
know,
while
he
and
john
engler
saw
eye
to
eye
and
a
lot
of
things,
they
did
not
see
eye
to
eye
on
that.
But
that's
it
is
what
it
is.
So
we
deal
with
that
extremely
difficult
situation.
N
We
currently
have
30
in
corrections,
36
corrections
deputy
one
vacancies.
Now
that
does
not
include
the
probably
55
employees,
not
all
corrections
have
from
probably
corrections
that
are
off
on
parental
leave,
workers,
comp
short-term
disability,
long-term
disability
or
they're
off
because
of
cove,
but
we
had
recently
or
up
to
about
25
employees
that
had
covered
we're
down
to
about.
I
think
yesterday
I
was
about
17
or
18
and
they
have
to
be,
as
you
know,
quarantined
for
up
to
14
days,
so
we
compete
against
all
the
other
sheriff's
offices.
N
We
compete
against
the
michigan
department
of
corrections.
Mdoc
currently
has
800
vacancies
on
the
state
level,
so
in
order
I'll
give
you
an
example
on
the
midnight
shift
on
d
block.
On
the
second
floor,
we
have
to
fill
that
position
on
overtime.
We
can't
tell
the
inmates
hey
watch
yourselves
tonight.
N
Trying
to
raise
morale,
morale's,
not
good
I'll,
tell
you
it's
the
worst,
it's
the
worst
I've
seen
in
my
career
and
it's
not
because
of
lack
of
trying
by
the
management
and
county
administration.
It's
just
that.
You
know
you
can
only
work.
So
many
doubles
in
a
seven
day
period,
we've
had
several
deputies
that
have
quit
and
the
reason
they
have
quit
with
the
most
recent
one.
Fine
female
deputy
works
corrections
she's
been
here
a
little
over
three
years.
She
has
three
children
and
you
gotta.
Remember
we
work
seven
days
a
week.
N
24
hours
a
day,
we
don't
work,
nine
to
five,
have
the
weekends
off.
It
doesn't
work
that
way
the
road
patrol
corrections
and
then
dispatch
and
she
wrote
in
her.
We
do
an
exit
interview
with
everybody.
She
wrote
in
an
interview.
She
loves
this
place,
she
loves
being
a
deputy,
but
because
of
three
children
and
because
being
forced
to
work
overtime
so
much
she
had
to
resign.
She
just
her
quality
of
life
for
her
and
her
family
has
deteriorated
to
the
point
where
she
can't
do
it
anymore.
N
So
that
being
said,
a
couple
other
statistics
we
just
reopened
the
list
for
corrections,
deputy
for
to
go
on
the
county
website
and
apply.
We
worked
with
the
county
administration,
the
county
executive's
office,
we've
instituted.
We
had
a
hiring
bonus
for
dispatch.
We
have
by
the
way.
Right
now
I
said
we
have
six
vacancies
in
in
dispatch.
We
have
11
on
the
road,
the
road's
a
little
better
in
terms
of
be
able
to
hire
because
we
can
do
lateral
hires.
We
worked
out
an
agreement
with
the
union.
N
N
N
If
a
deputy
or
an
employee
of
the
sheriff's
office
brian
goes
out
and
recruits
somebody,
and
we
hire
that
person
that
deputy
or
that
employee
will
get
about
a
1270
bonus
for
recruiting
for
us.
So
we
can
fill
these
vacancies,
so
you
can
see
we're
doing
everything
and
anything
we
can,
but
we
are
still
forcing
people
three
and
four
times
a
week.
Okay,
we
have
people
that
you
know
some.
They
just
don't
get
a
day
off
where
we
we've
worked
and
worked
to
work
with
the
union
administration.
N
N
I
got
to
give
him
credit
at,
and
we've
worked
with
them
to,
hopefully
reduce
some
of
the
forced
overtime,
so
that,
commissioner,
you
want
to
work
saturday
and
sunday
where
we're
going
to
pay
a
double
time
and
that
will
maybe
save
brian
from
being
forced
to
work
overtime
and
he
can
go
home.
So
it's
going
to
be
an
experiment.
It'll
be
an
eight-week
experiment,
we'll
pay
for
it
out
of
very
favorable
variances
in
our
in
our
budget,
from
the
vacancies
that
we
have.
So
it's
not
worth
that.
N
We're
asking
you
for
more
money.
The
money
is
there
in
our
budget.
So
that's
pretty
much
the
reader's
digest
version
I
could
go
on
and
on
and
on
about
this
I
do
all
the
hiring
and
firing
for
the
boss.
I
can
tell
you
we
are
not
going
to
lower
our
hiring
standards,
we're
just
not
going
to
do
it
of
those
94
people
that
were
on
the
list.
24
of
them
said
they
were
no
longer
interested
or
didn't
show
up
for
an
interview
of
the
70
we
had
left
to
work
with
off
that
list.
N
E
So,
do
you
feel
that
the
increased
pay
is
going
to
satisfy
or
reduce
the
stress
that
these
employees
are
feeling.
O
Are
you
asking
me
man
sure
we
do
believe
that
it
would
help
to
incentivize,
maybe
some
people
that
don't
normally
volunteer
for
the
overtime
which
would
obviously
increase
our
pool
of
people
to
come
in
and
work
to
kind
of
reiterate
a
little
bit
on
what
the
undersheriff
was
saying.
I
can't
I
can't
express
to
you
the
human
toll
that
this
has
taken
on
the
employees
of
the
old
county
sheriff's
office.
O
O
You
know
the
the
toll
that
it
takes
on
the
deputies,
the
toll
that
it
takes
on
their
families,
the
increased
cost
of
living
just
by
by
virtue
of
not
being
able
to
go
home,
the
increased
cost
in
child
care,
for
example,
you
know
where,
before
you
might
have
had
to
hire
one
or
two
days
a
week
now
you're
hiring
you
know
possibly
three
or
four
and
and
especially
on
a
saturday
sunday
I
mean
you
know
my
kids
are
grown,
so
I
don't
necessarily
but
have
this
problem,
but
the
thing
the
the
mantra
that
I
hear
over
and
over
again
is
try
to
find
somebody
to
watch
your
children
on
a
saturday
sunday.
E
I
I
personally-
and
I
probably
speak
for
other
commissioners,
are
very
grateful
that
you
brought
this
forward.
This
certainly
seems
like
a
great
effort,
and
I
know
from
my
point
of
view,
if
there's
anything,
I
can
do
in
any
of
my
communities
to
kind
of
help.
You
find
more
staff.
You
know
it's
something
that
we
all
want
to
see.
E
We
want
to
see
happen
and
we
are
kind
of
removed
from
that
whole
process,
but
we
certainly
are
aware
that
it's
been
extremely
stressful
and
difficult,
and
I
think
you
have
a
lot
of
support
to
try
to
help
you
figure
this
out,
you're,
definitely
not
an
isolated
department.
We
want
to.
We
want
to
help
strengthen
your
department
as
much
as
we
can.
N
Fuel
recruit
for
us.
We
appreciate
it
april,
can't
give
you
the
hundred
and
seventy
dollars
if
you're
an
elected
official,
but
we've
worked
with
the
county
administration
on
this
yeah.
This
is
a
we're.
Gonna!
Try
this
for
eight
weeks
and
about
six
weeks
in
we're
going
to
look
at
it
and
see
you
know
how
much
impact
has
it
had
and
we're
trying
to
announce.
You
know
in
the
budget
we
did
get.
N
We
eliminated
a
bunch
of
positions,
as
you
know,
to
meet
our
budget
tasks,
but
we
also
added
a
couple
of
positions
through
those
budget
savings,
and
one
of
them
is
a
full-time
sergeant
to
recruit
for
us,
so
we'll
be
working
in
fact.
We're
interviewing
candidates
right
now
internally
to
help
us
with
recruitment,
so
between
the
hiring
bonus,
the
county
bounty,
a
full-time
sergeant
to
help
us
with
recruitment.
Hopefully
we
can
put
a
den
in
this
now
now
this
isn't
going
to
solve
overnight.
N
B
Excellent
well
said,
commissioner
gershon
commissioner
loops,
followed
by
commissioner
juliette.
A
A
B
To
echo,
I
think,
commissioners
already,
I
also
do
support
this
initiative,
this
temporary
incentive-
and
I
absolutely
love
how
you
included
in
evaluating
at
the
end
of
the
trial
week,
because,
obviously,
that
data
is
going
to
help
drive
the
need
for
potentially
extending
this
incentive
pay.
So
thank
you.
A
B
Five
yays
zero
nays
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning.
Next,
we
have
our
last
agenda
item
9,
m
presentation,
total
rewards
task
force
update.
Do
we
have
a
motion
or
I
don't
think
we
pam.
We
don't
need
a
motion
correct,
because
it's
a
presentation.
A
A
F
And
what
we
did
is
we
created
an
employee
and
task
force
that
included
multiple
employees,
which
we'll
go
over
in
just
a
second,
and
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
details
of
where
we,
where
we
kind
of
have
arrived
and
where
we're
going
with
our
employee
benefits,
because
I
did
promise
the
board
a
five-year
plan,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
and
take
that
opportunity
to
present
that
five-year
plan.
There's
no
action
that
needs
to
be
taken
today.
F
F
F
So
what
you're
going
to
see
here
is
a
lot
of
information
on
oakland
county
versus
benchmarks
throughout
the
throughout
the
southeast.
Michigan
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
historical
benefit
changes.
We've
done
talk
a
lot
about
what
we
learned
through
this
task
force
and
the
proposal
that
we're
bringing
forward
then
that
we
have
been
bringing
forward
with
our
unions.
F
Interestingly
enough,
too,
I
always
like
to
make
sure
that
I
re
regurgitate
what
I
think
I
heard,
and
so
far
with
the
union
groups
that
I
have
worked
with
as
we've
gone
through
negotiations.
They
have
confirmed
that
that
I
did
do
a
good
job
of
capturing
the
voice
of
that
task
force
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
about
who
was
on
that
task
force
and
how
we
came
about
that.
But
for
the
sake
of
comparison
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
you'll
notice
in
here.
F
We
compare
ourselves
to
private
industry
a
little
bit
just
so
you
can
get
a
taste
for
it,
but
prior,
but
primarily
you'll,
see
here
what
we
call
our
benchmark,
marked
public
employers
and
here
on
this
list
you
can
next
slide.
Sorry,
I
apologize
you'll
see
that
we
are
when
we
do
that
group
comparison.
It's
wayne
county
city
of
detroit,
macomb,
county
oakland,
university,
oakland,
schools,
city
of
troy,
genesee,
county
kent,
county
and
livingston
county.
F
So
we
take
a
breath
a
look
at
what
other
counties
are
doing,
but
also
a
few
other
areas
within
oakland
county,
so
we're
trying
to
compare
apples
to
apples.
If
you
will,
I
know,
city
of
troy
is
kind
of
an
outlier
there,
but
it's
used
a
lot
here
in
comparables.
So
so
you
can
see
here.
I
also,
I
believe,
stephanie
bedricki
is
also
online
as
well,
so
she
is
our
supervisor
of
benefits,
so
she
might
step
in
in
some
of
these
areas
as
well.
You
can
see
here
on
the
next
slide.
F
What's
called
the
actuary
planned
value,
meaning?
What
is
the
value
of
our
plan?
So
you'll
see
here
we're
going
to
focus
on
a
couple
of
things.
We're
going
to
have
the
conversation
regarding
ppo1
will
be
the
most
and
why
we
do
ppo1
is
the
majority
of
our
employees
use
that
particular
plan?
That's
our
asr
funded
plan,
so
you
can
see
when
you
take
a
look
at
the
value
of
the
plan.
Almost
97
of
the
value
of
the
plan
is
paid
for
by
oakland
county
three
percent
by
the
employees.
F
So
when
you
go
back
down
in
alignment
with
all
of
the
other
ones,
you'll
see
in
our
blue,
this
is
our
first
time.
You'll
see
that
comparison
number,
the
blue,
is
what
we
call
the
ppo
for
all
of
the
other
communities
and
the
gold
you'll
see
here
are
the
private
industry
numbers,
but
you
can
see
here
that
the
actuarially
planned
design,
if
you
will,
for
all
the
other
local
units
of
government,
is
about
87.
F
Next
page
you
can
see
here
is
just
a
very
quick
shot,
an
overview
of
what
our
current
benefits
are
and
again
our
primary
focus
for
this
conversation
would
be
the
ppo1,
our
second
highest
number
of
contracts
or
employees.
That
we
use
is
the
blue
cross
blue
shield,
which
is
considered
the
ppo2,
and
then
we
have
asr
benefit.
Three
is
our
lowest
number
of
contracts
just
to
to
point
out
that
our
blue
cross
blue
shield,
traditional
plan
is
closed
to
any
new
membership.
So
that's
gonna
that
phases
out
as
people
leave.
F
They
can't
come
back
in
that
plan
and
then,
of
course,
there
is
the
hmo.
The
hap
is
another
214
contract,
so
you
can
just
see
here
real
quickly,
and
I
think
you
guys
have
a
copy
of
this
as
well
is
just
a
nice
overview
and
a
shot
of
of
our
benefits.
When
you
take
a
look
at
ppo1
again
just
for
the
sake
of
this
program,
you
can
see
here
that
we
have
a
deductible,
that's
200
for
a
single
person,
400
for
family
and,
in
parentheses,
says
select
services.
So
this
is
not
a
normal
deductible.
F
So
here
is
our
first
look
at
benchmarking
and
again
I
want
we.
We
did
do
the
private
industry
just
for
the
understanding
of
where
we
fit,
but
for
the
most
part,
really,
what
we're
focused
on
is
the
blue
line,
which
is
the
benchmarking
for
the
public
groups.
So
you'll
see
here
that
in
general
on
ppo1
right
now,
oakland
county
has
pretty
much
what's
called
the
zero
deductible,
because
long-term
health
care
and
durable
medical
equipment
is
usually
the
least
amount.
F
That's
used,
it's
really
not
much
of
a
deductible,
and
when
you
look
over
at
the
benchmark
for
other
public
plans,
is
it
about
500,
which
is
pretty
common
and
then
of
course,
it's
much
more
when
you
go
over
to
the
private
industry,
so
you
can
see
here
the
difference
and
then,
when
you
go
into
family
again
it
moves
up
to
about
a
thousand
dollars
which
is
pretty
standard
next
page.
Thank
you.
F
So
then
you
want
to
take
a
look
at.
How
much
is
it
that
our
employees
contribute
per
per
month,
so
you'll
see
here
again,
I'm
just
going
to
focus
on
ppo
one.
You
have
a
single
person
that
pays.
We
did
this
per
month
69
and
the
average
person
in
the
public
benchmarking
is
at
140.
F
F
Paige,
thank
you,
the
other
piece
that
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
the
other
large
number
or
the
large
cost
is
in
our
drugs.
Here
we
are
in
a
little
bit
more
of
an
alignment,
so
you
can
see
here
that
in
oakland
county
we
have
range
from
a
five
dollar
to
a
forty
dollar
depending
on
your
drug
and
then
on
average.
F
So
again,
it's
just
a
framework
for
you
guys
to
understand
where
we
are
and
just
to
understand
where
we
are
in
the
market
next
page.
So
with
that,
then
what
we
also
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
has
what
has
been
our
consistency
or
what
have
we
contributed
to
health
care
as
it
relates
to
our
employee
contributions
because,
as
you
know,
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
the
rate
of
inflation
of
health
care
never
matches
the
rate
of
inflation
on
on
cost
of
living.
F
F
At
that
point,
new
hires
had
moved
into
a
new
contribution
plan,
but
it
was
just
people
hired
after
2003..
So
if
you
started
in
2003,
you've
seen
no
increase
in
your
contributions
to
health
care
and
it
wasn't
until
about
2008
and
2009
that
people
who
were
hired
prior
to
2003
match
that
increase.
So
in
essence,
then,
in
2009
was
the
last
time
that
there
was
an
increase
health
care
contributions,
except
for
an
increase
in
emergency
room
co-pays
to
100
and
increase
in
drug
co-pays.
So
that's
not
typically
normal.
F
F
F
Now
again,
you
would
never
be
able
to
maintain
it
or
keep
that
up
and
making
employees
pay
for
that
difference,
because
that's
where
you
start
getting
those
unaffordable
health
care
costs,
but
it
just
goes
to
show
you
that
for
every
for
every
time
that
you
can
try
to
help
share
some
of
those
costs,
it
helps
the
bottom
line.
So
you
can
see
here
at
the
bottom
in
2011,
depending
which
is.
F
At
that
point,
you
can
see
that
the
employee
contribution,
as
a
percent
of
costs,
was
about
13.5
percent
and
the
reason
why
you
see
in
2020
that
it's
only
9.8
percent
is
because,
as
the
cost
goes
up
and
their
contributions
stay,
the
same,
the
percentage
of
shared
cost
continues
to
go
down.
So
you
can
see
an
average
increase
over
the
past
10
years.
F
When
you
take
a
look
at
our
increases
to
health
care
have
averaged
about
five
percent,
so
it's
pretty
significant
in
the
whole
scheme
of
things,
given
that
there's
we've
about
56
million
dollars,
just
in
active
employee
costs
for
health
care.
F
So,
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
task
force,
so
when
you
now
that
you
have
the
history-
and
this
is
the
history
we
went
into-
I
would
say-
probably
seven-
eight
nine
meetings
with
these
teams
with
about
you-
know
two
out
two
and
a
half
hour
meetings
each.
They
were
very
much
engaged
in
this.
In
conversation,
we
talked
a
lot
about
the
basis
of
health
care.
How
we
do
trends
and
benchmarking
we
took.
We
talked
to
them
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
design
changes
that
we
could
make
to
our
health
care.
F
What
I
loved
about
this
group
is,
we
tried
to
make
it
as
diverse
as
possible,
so
we
had
union
representative
non-union
supervisors
non-supervisors.
We
had
people
who
were
part
of
our
equity
council.
We
we
had
to
make
sure
that
we
had
people
who
were
had
families
who
didn't
have
families
who
had
been
here
for
a
couple
years
who
had
been
here
for
25
years.
We
had
a
very
good
mix.
We
had
about
33
people
on
that
task
force.
F
F
I
will
tell
you
that
when
I
present
to
you
our
plan,
I
would
not
have
guessed
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
There
was
a
lot
of
things
that
I
was
like.
It
was
very
fascinating
to
hear
their
input
and
their
thoughts
around
things
and
we're
going
to
go
into
that
in
a
little
detail.
I
mean
then,
for
those
that
may
have
been
not
comfortable
talking
to
us
in
this
task
force.
You
know
they
had
an
opportunity
to
either
reach
out
to
me
or
stephanie
behind
the
scenes,
and
they
did.
F
They
were
very
comfortable
talking
to
stephanie,
bedricki
and
saying
I
didn't
want
to
say
this
in
front
of
everybody,
but
this
is
what
my
real
concerns
are,
so
they
were
incredibly
helpful
and
it
was
just
really
good
for
us
to
reset
and
understand
you
know
kind
of
what
it
looked
like
from
the
perspective
and
of
employee,
especially
given
the
fact
that
we
hadn't
seen
any
changes
since
about
2003
and
2000
again
and
2009.
F
One
was
that
that
they
were
very
supportive
of
making
plan
design
changes
that
didn't
hit
your
pocketbook,
I.e,
you'll
notice
here,
we'll
talk
about
prescription
drugs
that,
if
you
don't
use
walgreens,
can
save
us
about
a
million
dollars
a
year.
Now
one
would
think,
of
course
nobody
is
going
to
care
if
you're
either.
Of
course,
they're
going
to
want
you
to
do
those
kinds
of
things
and
not
touch
the
pocketbook.
But
you
would
actually
be
surprised,
though,
at
how
many
people
like
don't
touch
my
plan.
F
I'd
rather
pay
more
money,
and
so
in
general
the
that
was
good
to
know,
because
it's
not
always
an
assumption
that
they're
interested
in
doing
things
that
aren't
money
related,
but
in
general
I
will
say
not
every
single
person,
but
in
general,
that
was
the
common
consensus.
Is
that
what
can
we
do
to
support
saving
money
behind
the
scenes
before
we
go
into
the
employee
pocketbook?
F
In
general
other
conversations
we
found
that
they
were
more
amenable
to
prescription
prescription
drug
plan
changes
than
I've
seen
in
other
locations.
I
will
say
by
the
time
we
were
done
with
the
task
force
though,
and
this
particular
just
healthcare
that
changed
a
little
bit
more.
F
It
was
more
because
we
have
a
couple
of
options
as
it
relates
to
to
our
drug
costs.
F
You
can
increase
the
copay,
but
we
also
have
a
90
day
supply
for
one
copay,
so
the
concern
was,
if
you
change
the
normal
formulary
and
then
you
also
change
the
90-day
supply,
that's
a
lot
in
somebody's
pocketbook,
and
so
you
know
we
kind
of
we
as
we
worked
through
that
that
was
some
changes
that
we
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
and
understood
that
the
concern
was
well
we'd,
rather
look
at
some
drug
changes,
not
all
of
them
all
at
once,
because
then
it
could
get
too
pricey
one
other
thing
that
was
interesting
and
these
last
two
bullet
points
kind
of
go
in
with
each
other,
and
this
is
where
some
of
my
surprises
were
the
I
will
tell
you
without
it.
F
At
100
of
that
team
was
not
at
all
in
favor
of
a
deductible.
They
were
very
much
liked
the
predictability
of
monthly
contributions.
I
thought
it
was
very
interesting,
as
we
had
this
conversation
on
fairness
and
equity,
so,
for
instance,
when
I
was
explaining
to
them,
I
think
it
was
in.
I
want
to
say
absolutely
in
the
fire
union.
F
We
were
having
a
conversation
about
whether
or
not
we
were
going
to
do
deductibles
or
monthly
co-pays,
and
one
of
the
conversations
that
came
up
was
that
when
you
do
deductibles,
you
drive
your
health
care
right.
So,
if
you're
a
fairly
healthy
family-
and
you
don't
go
very
much
to
the
doctor
or
whatnot-
your
health
care
costs,
you're
not
going
to
have
as
much
in
the
deductible
right.
F
But
if
you're
a
family
that
goes
all
the
time,
then
your
health
care
costs
are
going
to
be
higher,
and
I
remember
it
was
so
funny
that
when
we
had
that
conversation
that
one
of
the
in
the
union
at
the
time
was
like
wait
a
minute.
So
you're
telling
me
if
I
have
a
deductible
that
I
get
to
drive
my
health
care
costs
more
than.
If
I
do
the
monthly
contribution-
and
I
said
yes,
you
can
and
they
so
they
choose
to
chose
to
shift
that
way.
F
Well,
this
team
and
this
task
force
was
like
nope.
We
are.
We
would
much
rather
have
monthly
contributions
so
that
we
could
be
more
predictable
and
it
was
just
I
mean
it
was
across
the
board.
Like
it
was,
I
actually
presented
what
a
potentially
a
high
deductible
program
could
look
like
and
again
we
have
remember.
We
have
like
five
different
plans
to
pick
from
complete
shutdown
like
it
was
very
much
that
it
just
really
freaked
them
out
it.
F
They
weren't
comfortable
with
it,
and
so
which
was
really
good
information
for
me
because
in
my
brain
I'd
be
like
well,
it
makes
sense
to
do
like
a
250
deductible.
You
know
looking
low,
but
that
was
not
at
all
where
that
task
force
was,
and
a
lot
of
anecdotal
information
on
checking.
That
point
was
very
consistent
with
that,
so
that
was
very
helpful
for
us.
The
other
thing
that
we
looked
at
was
that
we
notice
that
the
single
plan
tends
to
they're
paying
more
than
maybe
a
family
plan
would
make.
F
I
would
have
been
wrong
all
day
on
all
of
that,
so
it
was
really
helpful
that
they
were
so
honest
and
and
forthcoming
about
that
information
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
are,
you
know
the
attic
is
that
anecdotally
have
confirmed
that
idea.
So
you'll
see
as
we
go
through
the
plan
proposal
that
we
took
a
lot
of
this
stuff
into
consideration
and
understanding
that
there's
a
lot
of
room
here
for
growth.
This
is
just
our
first
stab
at
it.
F
Taking
this
information
and
really
designing
a
program
that
we
felt
the
task
force
could
support,
and
so
what
you'll
notice
here
as
we
go
through
and
we'll
go
through
these
in
greater
details
that
we
actually
did
avoid
changing
any
deductibles
and
focus
primarily
on
the
monthly
contributions
we
also
a
couple
of
other
things
came
up
too
was
do
not
touch
our
ppo
plan.
We
love
that
plan.
Don't
mess
with
that
and
the
blue
cross
plan
so
you'll
see
for
the
next
five
years.
F
The
one
thing,
though,
that
and
the
other
thing-
that's
not
changing-
is
we're
not
touching
retiree
medical
again,
it's
not
that
causes
so
much
anxiety
that
it's
not
really
worth
to
do
that
to
make
people
get
nervous
about
that
when
some,
even
on
small
changes.
So
given
the
viba,
we
just
don't
feel
like
we
need
to
address
any
retiree
health
care
changes
at
this
time.
The
other
thing
that
we
want
to
do
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
is
what
we
call
a
narrow
or
high
performance
network.
F
It's
you
guys
might
hear
of
it
are
referred
to
as
an
hmo
and
a
lot
of
people
look
down
on
an
hmo
when,
in
reality,
hmos
are
really
good
programs.
If
you
have
the
right
things
in
place
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
people
are
creatures
of
habit.
So,
for
instance,
if
you
are,
if
you
are
a
beaumont
person,
you
almost
always
go
to
beaumont.
If
you're
a
u
of
m
person,
you
almost
always
go
to
u
of
m,
so
it's
you're,
almost
always
in
your
network
anyway.
F
So
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
a
more
modern,
narrow
network
for
those
folks
that
may
want
to
use
that
as
a
cheaper
cost,
but
again
not
taking
away
ppo1
and
ppo2
next
slide.
F
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
these
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
call
internal
controls
and
then
what
we
talk,
what
we
talk
about
kind
of
going
into
the
pocketbook.
So
before
we
go
into
internal
controls,
it's
important
to
note
that
it's
about
ten
dollars,
a
paycheck,
is
about
a
million
dollar
savings
for
us
for
the
active
employees.
F
So
what
we've
done
here
is
administration
and
our
team
is
committed
to
doing
everything
that
we
can
behind
the
scenes
before
we
touch
a
pocketbook,
so
you'll
see
here
that
our
estimated
savings
as
between
three
and
four
million
dollars
in
2022,
is
without
touching
the
packet
book
of
an
employee,
and
some
of
these
things
are
things
that
we
can
do
behind
the
scenes.
Some
we
need
help
with
the
unions.
F
I.E
like
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
narrowing
our
network
for
pharmacy,
and
then
we
move
into
where
we
would
take
a
look
at
some
increases
in
contributions
and
I'll
go
over.
Those
in
details,
but
you'll
see
in
their
peppered
is
still
more
administrative
costs
that
we
can
share
before
we
increase
that
so
stephanie.
Do
you
mind
if
you're
on
there,
if
you
want
to
go
through
what
we
call
internal
controls
for
the
team,
real
quick
and
then
I
can
do
the
23,
24
and
25.
P
P
So
as
far
as
the
internal
controls,
one
one
recommendation
we
have
is
to
remove
walgreens
from
the
formulary.
It
was
studied
with
a
demographic
assessment
of
our
population
if
they
have
another
pharmacy
available
to
them
within
two
miles
of
their
current
walgreens,
and
there
is
a
very
low
impact
on
our
members.
P
P
These
are
drugs
that
are
are
were
no
longer
going
to
be
included
in
the
formulary.
However,
the
county
in
the
past
has
opted
to
keep
them
on.
P
It
is
considered
that
there
are
other
prescription
options
that
would
be
available
if
we
did
omit
this.
However,
if
there
is
a
specific
drug
that
one
cannot
go
without,
they
could
go
through
an
appeal
process
if
they
did
need
it.
P
I
evaluating
stop-loss
coverage.
Currently
we
pay
premiums
very
large
premiums
for
stop-loss
coverage
and
we're
trying
to
determine
if
there
are
better
ways
to
do
it
or
self-fund
it
for
that
cost
savings.
Each
year.
F
So
just
self-funding
is
because
there's
a
maximum
number
like,
for
instance,
if
there's
a
we
try
to
like,
for
instance,
maybe
there's
a
million
dollar
cap,
so
the
stop
loss
covers
for
anything
over
a
million
dollars
so
that
we
have
at
least
what's
called
stop
loss
so
that
if
we
have
a
20
million
dollar
claim
that
we're
not
paying
20
million
dollars.
So
it
covers
us
from
those
large
claims
and
then
on
the
co-patients.
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
one.
F
This
is
the
really
expensive
drugs
that
could
be
maybe
a
cancer
drug
or
a
very
hard
to
treat
illness
that
you
have
like
a
chronic
illness,
and
so
what
happens
is
behind
the
scenes
they
help
we
kind
of
it's
kind
of
like
a
coupon
program
if
you
will,
but
it's
behind
the
scenes
and
often
employees
end
up
having
a
zero
dollar
copay
on
that.
P
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
the
removal
of
dual
coverage-
I
believe,
we've
decided
not
to
move
forward
with
that,
but
there
are
several
employees
and
retirees
who
are
duly
covered
and
the
cost
is
on
the
county
and
there's
not
a
member
benefit,
provided
unless
it's
dental
and
vision.
P
P
P
F
So
we
went
over
those
really
fast.
It's
really
just
to
show
you
what
we're
doing
behind
the
scenes
and
even
though
something
might
only
save
a
hundred
thousand,
if
you
have
ten
things
that
save
a
hundred
thousand,
that's
a
million
dollars.
That's
ten
dollars
that
doesn't
go
into
the
cost
share.
So
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
discussion
on
this,
but
that
we
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
high-level
view
of
kind
of
what
we're
doing
behind
the
scenes
to
try
to
save
that
money.
And
then
you
can
see
in
2023.
F
That's
the
first
time
we're
asking
for
employee
contribution
and
again
it
would
be
ten
dollars
a
pay
period
and
then
in
2024
again
we're
going
to
do
internal
controls
in
2025
we'd
be
recommending
an
increase
of
5,
20
40
drugs
to
10,
30
50.,
and
then
in
2026.
F
We
would
be
looking
at
potentially
another
employee
contribution,
but
again,
depending
on
where
we
find
ourselves
in
our
audits
and
particularly
in
our
medical
and
prescription
drug
cleaning
audits
we
may
not
have
to
so
it
just
kind
of
shows
you
where
we're
at
as
it
relates
to
you
know
again
on
our
back
and
the
front
end
this
year.
We're
gonna
do
all
our
administrative
functions
between
three
and
four
million
dollar
savings
and
then
we'll
do
our
other
savings
throughout
the
next
few
years
gets
us
to
almost
seven
million
dollars.
F
I
think
we're
going
to
be
over
that
when
we
look
at
some
of
those
audits
that
we're
doing,
and
so
our
goal
was
to
try
to
do
ten,
you
know
between
five
and
ten
million
dollars
each
year,
so
this
builds
so
just
remember
once
I
save
it
one
year,
it's
consistent
over
the
next
five
years,
so
you
can
see
again
that
you
know
taking
into
consideration
that
task
force
was
really
critical
and
that's
why
you'll
see
the
increase
into
the
copay
or
into
the
monthly
contribution
rather
than
a
deductible.
F
So
that's
the
high-level
view.
So
this
is
just
half
of
the
task
force,
so
it's
called
total
rewards.
Now
we're
going
to
be
moving
into
all
the
other,
what
we
call
ancillary
benefits
and
using
the
same
team
as
a
sounding
board,
for
you
know:
retirement
long-term
disability,
short-term
disability,
tuition,
reimbursement
wellness,
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
we'll
be
working
with
that
team
to
go
over
that.
So
so
it's
not
as
scary
as
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
rumors.
B
Deputy
lynch,
we
do
appreciate
you
providing
us
with
an
update
with
this
proposal,
so
thank
you.
It
sounds
like
it's
been
a
work
in
progress
and
I
love
hearing
the
development
of
the
group
to
help
work
on
this,
and
I
love
the
equity
and
fairness
piece.
So
thank
you,
commissioners.
Any
questions
comments.
B
Anything
you'd
like
to
bring
forward.
Commissioner
jackson
will.
E
B
Well,
thank
you
so
much
deputy
lynch
for
joining
us
this
morning
and
not
just
this,
but
the
other
items
that
we
had
in
our
agenda.
I'll,
see
you
next
month
as
well.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
you
thank
you.
Commissioners.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
receive
and
file
the
powerpoint
presentation
motion
by
commissioner
joliette
support
by
commissioner
gershenson
roll
call?
B
B
The
second
public
comment
is
for
the
public
to
speak
on
topics
other
than
items
that
were
on
our
agenda.
So
is
there
anyone
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
address
the
public,
the
legislative
affairs
and
government
operations
committee?
Please
join
us
at
the
head
of
the
table
state,
your
name
and
the
community
in
which
you
reside
in
and
as
a
reminder.
We
have
three
minutes
per
person
good
morning.
C
Good
morning
my
name
is
catherine
kennedy,
I'm
from
lake
orion-
and
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
moving
all
of
our
identity
systems
into
the
internet
and
amazon
web
service,
and
I'm
extraordinarily
concerned
about
our
confidential
information
going
anywhere
in
the
internet.
By
whatever
means
I
don't
care.
If
it's
real
estate
documents,
I
don't
want
voting,
I
don't
want
birth
or
death
records.
I
don't
want
court
records
that
contain
social
security
numbers
and
other
identified
documents
like
a
divorce
decree
might
have.
C
C
That's
legally
required,
it
says,
means
all
information
data
that
the
county
is
required
or
permitted
by
law
to
keep
confidential,
including
records
of
county
security
measures,
including
security
plans,
security
codes,
combinations,
passwords,
any
type
of
identifying
information,
of
course,
would
be
confidential
data.
So
I
don't
understand
why
there's
this.
C
Even
a
desire
to
put
our
private
confidential
data
into
the
internet
anywhere,
I
think
we
need
to
simply
reuse
the
library
that
we
apparently
don't
use
anymore.
It's
a
law
library
and
maintain
the
documents,
so
people
can
come
in
and
get
them
when
they're
the
ones
that
are
supposed
to
actually
have
access.
It
really
bothers
me
that
the
real
estate
fee
schedule
was
going
to
enable
companies
to
buy
just
buy
your
data.
That's
a
real
serious
concern.
C
I
used
to
work
a
law
firm
and
one
of
the
first
cases
I
handled
was
for
an
immigrant
who
was
here
and
got
rented
a
house
that
didn't
belong
to
the
person
that
was
collected,
all
the
money
being
bilingual.
I
actually
helped
them
negotiate
a
lease
for
the
people
that
were
actually
there
because
they
would
have
been
on
the
street
and
it
wasn't
right,
but
it
was
actually
a
pastor
who
was
behind
the
fraud
and
since
mr
biden
has
chosen
to
make
fraud,
no
longer
a
deportable
offense
for
people
that
aren't
citizens
of
this
country.
C
I
think
we're
opening
up
a
huge
problem
and
I
thought
we
had
a
ascent
underwriting
as
the
cyber
security
off
the
top
of
my
mind,
because
I
know
I
wrote
about
it
because
there
was
something
I
saw
that
indicated
they
might
not
be
a
licensed
insurer
and
if,
when
I
sold
insurance,
if
you
were
not
a
licensed
insurer
under
the
state
of
michigan,
if
the
sure
went
bankrupt,
you
were
on
your
own.
There
was
no
coverage
whatsoever.
Please.
C
You
most
insurance
coverage
is
if
it's
a
license
through
the
state.
There
is
a
backup
fund
to
make
sure
if
an
insurance
company
goes
back
bankrupt.
There
is
some
other
backup
this
county.
If
something
like
that
happened,
I
don't
know
that
there's
any
insurance
company
that
could
cover
that
kind
of
potential
liability
that
we're
setting
ourselves
up
for.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Ms
kennedy.
B
D
D
It
just
doesn't
seem
in
balance,
and
this
is
not
the
first
time
I've
had
the
experience
of
what
the
lead
the
elected
officials
are
doing
is
not
in
balance
with
what
the
citizens
want.
I
know
last
time
we
were
at
the
lago
meeting.
You
asked
me
to
send
you
an
email
commissioner
gerstensen
I
haven't
received
a
response.
Yet
the
problem
is,
is
this
happens
all
the
time
I've
sent
commissioners
emails
multiple
times,
I
saw
an
email
response
from
dave
woodward,
which
was
shocking
that
he
responded.
B
See
none.
I
will
close
public
comment
last.
Stop
last
item
on
our
agenda
is
other
business.
Is
there
any
further
business
to
come
before
the
legislative
affairs
and
government
operations
committee
this
morning,
all
right
scene
9
without
objection?
I
declare
this
meeting
adjourned
at
11
35
a.m.
Thank
you.
Everyone.