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C
D
President
remotely
jackson
here,
moose
is
not
here
yet
coconder
for
that
here.
Yet.
F
D
A
A
Right
next
up,
we
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes
dated
august
9th
2022.
If
there
aren't
any
corrections
or
changes,
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
jackson,
support
by
commissioner
lubes,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
minutes
approved
next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
the
agenda
again.
If
there
aren't
any
corrections
or
changes,
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
luke
support
by
commissioner
jackson?
A
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
agenda's
approved
next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
our
first
public
comment
of
this
morning.
As
a
reminder,
this
first
public
comment
is
for
items
that
are
related
to
the
agenda.
So
at
this
time
I'd
like
to
open
up
public
comment
and
if
there's
anyone
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
address
the
legislative
affairs
and
government
operations
committee,
please
make
your
way
down
to
the
end
of
the
table.
A
Seeing
that
there
are
no
members
from
the
public,
I
will
now
close
public
comment.
Next
up,
we'll
move
on
to
our
consent
agenda.
A
We've
got
six
items
under
the
consent
agenda
item
a
resolution
resolution
recognizing
september
22nd
as
national
deaf
awareness
month
in
oakland
county
item
b
resolution
recognizing
september
22
as
a
national
hispanic
heritage
month,
item
c
resolution
declaring
september
as
a
national
sickle
cell
disease
awareness
month
in
oakland
county
item
d
resolution
declaring
september
19th
through
the
25th
as
michigan
trials
week
in
oakland
county
item
e
resolution
recognizing
september
22
as
a
national
recovery
month
and
item
number
f
resolution
recognizing
september
2022
is
national
suicide
prevention
month.
A
Commissioners,
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
jackson
support
by
commissioner
lubes
commissioners?
Does
anyone
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
any
of
these
honorary
memorial
resolutions.
A
Zero
needs
our
consent
agenda.
Next
up
we'll
move
on
to
our
regular
agenda.
We
have
essentially
one
item
under
our
regular
agenda.
Today.
It
looks
as
if
our
first
agenda
item,
which
is
our
presentation
by
our
legislative
update,
mr
jim
ryan.
A
He
is
not
here
yet
so
if
there
isn't
any
objection,
I'd
like
to
move
on
down
to
item
b
of
our
regular
agenda,
which
is
human
resources,
collective
bargaining
agreement,
fiscal
years,
2022,
23,
24,
25
and
26
for
employees
represented
by
the
oakland
county
deputy
sheriff's
association,
representing
the
corrections
and
court
services
unit
and
law
enforcement
unit.
Do
we
have
a
motion
motion
by
commissioner
gershenson
support
by
commissioner
jackson,
and
I
believe
we
have
a
few
people
here
this
morning.
So
please
make
your
way
to
the
head
of
the
table.
H
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
obviously
with
me
kyle
jenn
and
undersheriff
childs,
who
are
part
of
our
bargaining
team,
along
with
many
many
others,
but
I
thought
they'd
be
able
to
answer
some
questions
that
that
you
might
have
more
require
more
details.
So,
given
that
this
is
the
sheriff's
union
contract,
this
is
covers
all
of
the
sheriff's
deputies
corrections.
H
It
covers
911,
dispatchers
and
forensic
lab.
I
think
I
covered
all
three
of
those,
so
so
it
does
cover
a
majority.
It's
about.
25
of
our
popular
of
our
employee
population
is
covered
by
this
contract.
A
couple
of
things
with
this
one.
H
You
know
we've
been
talking
over
the
last
year.
This
is
one
of
many
contracts
that
we've
been
negotiating
over
the
year,
really
focused
on
ensuring
that
we
have
market
wages,
making
sure
that
we
remain
competitive
in
our
retention
and
recruiting
strategies.
This
one's
a
little
different,
the
policing
organizations
and
law
enforcement
personnel,
both
in
road
patrol
corrections
and
in
9-1-1
dispatchers,
has
started
to
see
quite
a
dramatic
decrease
in
applications
and
much
more
competitive
in
recruiting
much
before
what
we
were
terming
now
is
the
great
resignation.
H
H
Again,
the
main
goal
is
being
retention
of
the
employees
we
have
and
ensuring
that
we
are
an
attractive
package
to
come
here
through
for
oakland
county
to
cover
all
of
our
our
needs
in
there.
So
with
that,
as
we
started
to
take
a
look
at
some
things,
we
did
have
a
longer
contract
than
normal,
usually
they're
about
three
years.
We
were
able
to
get
a
five-year
contract
just
due
to
the
amount
of
things
that
we
really
wanted
to
achieve
with
this
contract.
H
So
with
the
the
the
pay
increases
that
they
were
looking
for
and
what
we
needed
was
again
to
remain
competitive
top
of
market.
As
you
know,
over
the
last
year
we
had
our
compensation
study
and
some
wage
reopeners
with
the
other
unions.
They
were
not
open
at
the
time,
so
this
kind
of
encapsulates
everything
that
we
needed
to
take
a
look
at
over
the
last
couple
years.
H
With
the
retention
bonus,
we
thought
it
was
important,
as
we
worked
through
that
you
know.
We've
had
a
lot
of
turnover
there
and
we've
had
for
the
last
year
recruiting
bonus,
and
so
it's
very
important
to
them
that
we
have
that
equity
on
keeping
our
employees,
and
we
thought
that
it
made
a
lot
of
sense
again
to
again
keeping
and
retaining
and
attracting
both
are
equally
just
as
important,
and
so
that's
why
we
agreed
to
the
retention
bonus.
H
The
other
piece
that
we
talked
about
is
maintaining
our
our
health
care
plans,
which
we're
doing
as
we
did
with
the
other
unions.
They
agreed
as
well
to
some
of
those
adjustments,
an
increase
in
a
tenure
by
a
ten
dollar
bi-weekly
payment,
as
well
as
an
increase
in
prescriptions
in
2025
and
again
another
increase
in
contributions
in
2026,
which
follows
our
five-year
health
care
plan.
H
So
they
agreed
to
that
besides
wages
and
maintaining
our
good
health
care
plan,
the
other
goals
that
they
had
and
we
had
was
making
sure
that
we
have
a
a
solid
retirement
plan
as
well.
It's
important
to
know
in
the
policing
world
that
they
typically
retire
ten
years
sooner
than
most
just
due
to
the
nature
of
their
job.
And
so
it's
important
to
also
note
that
you
know
this
is
one
of
the
groups
as
well
as
everybody
else
in
the
county
that
is
no
longer
in
a
pension
program.
H
So
for
them.
Building
up
that
defined
benefit
plan
was
going
to
be
helpful
in
again
retaining
and
recruiting,
as
in
many
other
there's
just
as
many
in
oakland
county
that
don't
have
a
defined
benefit
that
do,
and
so
we
wanted
again
to
remain
competitive.
So,
by
the
time
we
were
done
between
the
two
groups,
they
provided
some
increase
in
percentage
as
well
in
in
contributions
as
well
as
we
did
so
by
the
end
of
their
five-year
contract.
H
A
couple
of
other
things
that
I
won't
go
into
a
lot
of
detail,
but
the
other
big
piece
for
them
was
ensuring
that
the
corrections,
deputies
and
the
road
patrol
were
in
the
same
alignment
as
it
relates
to
wages.
So
we
readjusted
that
as
well,
which
was
a
smaller
ask,
but
allows
more
flexibility
as
most
of
the
well
actually.
Road
patrol
covers
for
corrections.
H
They
they
share
those
duties
when,
when
there's
vacancies,
so
those
were
the
big
pieces,
the
big
goals
and
and
the
big
conversations
we
had
at
the
table
a
few
other
little
things
in
here
as
well.
But
for
the
most
part,
those
were
the
large
big
ticket
items.
I
don't
know
if
under
sheriff
or
kyle,
have
anything
else
to
add
to
that.
I
cover
it.
No.
A
Well,
first
and
foremost,
thank
you
so
much
and
I
know
april
thank
you
for
being
very
responsive
to
the
information
that
was
sent
out
to
you.
It
is
helpful.
I
do
have
one
additional
question:
how
will
this
impact
local
communities
who
have
a
contract
with
our
sheriff's
department.
H
Sure
so
you
know
right
now:
we
already
have
a
contract
with
the
locals
for
the
next
three
years.
However,
you
know
we'll
have
to
talk
with
the
sheriff's
department
to
see
if
you
know
they
want
to
take
a
look
at
what
that
would
look
like
if
they
wanted
to
maybe
take
on
those
costs
this
year
or
this
group,
the
three
years
or
we'll
have
to
take
a
look
at
readdressing
them
in
their
next
three-year
contract.
H
F
G
I
can
speak
they're
more
aware.
I
was,
I
met
with
the
supervisors,
which
most
of
our
units
are
with
supervisors,
and
they
I
mean
they
were
very
much
aware
of
them.
Actually,
they
were
able
to
speed
up
the
numbers
faster
than
I
could
so
I
mean
I
think,
they're
monitoring
it
I
mean,
have
they
planned
for
it
no
do
do
they
would
I
say
that:
do
they
think
that
it's
coming?
G
Yes,
the
question
is:
when
does
it
come?
As
april
said,
does
it
come
in
the
next
round
and
where
we
true
up
the
the
cost
that
we
incur
to
make
sure
that
the
local
communities
are
paying
for
it,
or
do
we
open
up
that
contract
sooner
to
address
the
cost
factors
yeah.
F
E
Well,
thank
you.
I'm
excited
that
we're
addressing
the
difficulties
the
sheriff's
department
has
had
with
recruiting
and
retaining
you
mentioned
a
bargaining
team,
so
you
don't
go
in
there
by
yourself
to
bargain.
You
have
other
members
of
a
team.
E
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
that.
I
think
that
gives
you
a
better,
well-rounded
view.
I
think
that's
great.
So
there
was
one
question
on
the
overtime
I
had
the
double
time
on
saturday
or
sunday
for
deputies
forced
to
work.
So
there
is
a
force
to
work.
If
you
have
a
shortage,
you
have
to
go
in
yes
and
then
what
does
it
mean
to
have
a
30
percent?
True
vacancy.
F
Based
on
the
number
of
people
assigned
to
that
area,
I
don't
know
if
we
did
it
by
shift.
If
we
had
30
vacancies.
True
vacancies
mean
we're
not
including
people
in
long-term
disability
or
workman's,
comp
or
short-term
disability
actual.
We
should
have
a
position
here.
We
don't
have
somebody
filling
the
position.
E
B
A
You
chairman,
woodward,
followed
by
commissioner
jackson,.
G
Thank
you,
sharon.
Nelson.
I
mean
I
think
it's
important
to
note.
I
mean
you
look
at
the
wage
increase
and
it
starts
with
fiscal,
20
and
22,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
that
this
is
retroactive
to
october
1
of
2021
when
our
fiscal
year
started,
so
the
5
increase
is
effective,
then
and
would
be
retroactive.
G
In
addition
to
the
I
mean,
half
of
the
retention
bonus
that's
paid
in
september,
so
that's
a
I
mean
it's
a
pretty
significant
bump.
I
mean
the
front
end
and
the
23
is
the
four
percent
and
goes
on
from
there.
I
think
the
other
I
mean.
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
rationale
the
retention
bonus?
I
mean.
Why
did
we
land
on
that
number
relative
to
kind
of
our
efforts
to
try
to
incentivize
people
to
come
in
the
first
place.
H
Right
so
I
think
a
lot
of
it
was
you
know
as
we
hear
throughout.
You
know,
america
right
now
a
lot
of
these
retention
bonuses
that
are
recruiting
bonuses
that
then
you
have
the
people
who
have
been
working.
These
these
folks
have
been
really
stepping
up
on
the
overtime
we
try
to
fill
these
positions,
in
particular
the
the
corrections
team.
It's
been,
you
know
much
harder
to
fill
those
positions.
I
think
we're
in
a
new
place.
H
Now
I
don't
know
if
under
sheriff
wants
to
to
talk
about
that,
but
to
mirror
that
retention
bonus
when
so
many
people
have
been
coming
in
with
a
recruiting
bonus,
just
made
the
most
sense
to
make
sure
that
we,
you
know
not
only
show
our
appreciation,
but
that
a
little
bit
more
of
equity
or
they
like
to
turn
fairness
as
we
do
that
and
and
kind
of
realigning
that
now
we
will
say,
though,
that
anybody
who
gets
a
recruiting
bonus
will
not
get
the
retention
bonus.
They
do
not
get
both
right.
G
And
then,
lastly,
I
know
that
we've
been
putting
up
additional
dollars
for
over
time
just
to
fill
the
gap
that
we
currently
are.
How
does
I
mean?
How
are
we
addressing
that
going
forward?
I
mean
are,
we
is?
Is
the
plan
to
continue
at
the
at
the
level
and
the
rate
that
we
have,
or
is
I
mean,
hopefully,
the
the
incentive
bonus
to
come
on-
increases
the
staff
that
minimizes
the
need
for
overtime?
G
F
From
from
my
perspective,
the
increase
in
that
401
will
help
us
attract
and
retain
the
deputies
and
that,
obviously,
the
more
we
hire
the
less
overtime
we're
paying
out
right.
G
Six
percent
paid
by
the
employee
is
an
optimal
level
to
be
able
to
retire,
as
april
mentioned,
between
that
just
the
physical
wear
and
tear
of
this
job,
the
physical
weight
on
your
body
I
mean
it
makes
I
mean
difficult,
I
mean
to
pull
out
to
65
and
others
some
do
it,
but
it's
I
think
that
is
in
this
environment
is,
I
mean,
definitely
necessary
to
attract
the
attract
folks
to
I
mean
want
to
be
in
this
profession
and
knowing
that
there
is
more
retirement
resources
at
the
end
of
the
ride.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner
jackson.
Thank
you.
As
a
chair
was
speaking
to
the
defined
benefit
contribution.
You
mentioned
that
this
is
not
a
pension
earned
position.
Is
that
with
all
of
the
rank
and
file,
or
did
that
start
at
a
certain
time?
I
H
The
county
started
to
go
from
a
defined
benefit
to
find
contribution.
They've
actually
been
one
of
the
first
groups
to
do
that.
Okay,
right
so
there's
there's
only
a
handful
of
people
who
are
still
here
that
are
in
the
defined
benefit,
so
anybody
who's
come
in
after
1994
or
95
is
now
in
a
contribution
of
401.
I
H
A
Could
you
give
a
little.
A
Could
you
speak
on
behalf
of
physical
fitness?
I
think
it's
important.
I
think
the
health
of
our
employees,
especially
our
officers,
is
something
both
mental
and
physical.
I
gotta
say
I
was
a
little
taken
back
by
the
requirements
and
I
just
is
there
any
updates
on
that?
Or
is
there
any
even
updates
on
the
physical
test
requirements,
because
the
document
I
received
looks
pretty
old
school
so
was
there?
Can
you
give
us
a
little
insight
in
regards
to
the
physical
fitness
incentive?
We've.
F
Had
it
a
while
for
the
command
officers,
I
can't
remember
when
it
started
the
sheriff's
big
on
trying
to
keep
everybody
in.
You
know
good
physical
shape,
yeah.
The
document
is
old.
There's
been
no
updates
to
the
requirements,
it's
still
those
requirements
of
sit-ups
and
push-ups
and
run,
but
now
the
deputies
have
they've
had
it
for
a
while,
but
they've.
Now
we're
matching
what
the
command
officers
get
not
a
lot
of
deputies
participating,
we're
hoping
this
will
increase
the
participation.
A
So
if
I'm
reading
this
right,
there's
an
individual
incentive
and
there's
a
group
contingency
is
that
so
as
a
behavior
analyst,
I
really
really
do
enjoy
the
group
contingency,
because
not
only
do
you
have
that
individual
contingency
put
in
place,
but
the
fact
that
there's
a
group
it
it
it
bans,
people
together
to
want
to
you
know,
try
to
achieve
a
common
goal.
So
I
definitely
did
enjoy
reading
the
group
contingency
because
that's
an
important
and
another
incentive
to
get
people
to
be
able
to
access
extra
money.
G
And
commissioners
will
be
looking
to
bring
this
program
to
the
board
so
start
working
on
those
push-ups.
A
D
A
A
Yeah,
it's
not
very
long
at
all,
so
it
looks
like
20
push-ups,
80,
sit-ups
plank
for
one
minute.
Do
a
100-yard
sprint
in
less
than
35
seconds
and
a
one
mile
run
in
under
12
minutes.
H
Those
that
are
interested
he
gets
an
page
of
their
contract
97
of
140,
and
that
oh
excellent.
A
Commissioners
is
there
any
other
questions
in
regards
to
this
item.
C
So
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
from
myself
and
my
caucus
one
was
not
when
I
think
this
happened
before
me,
but
there
was
a
question
on
the:
where
are
the
actual
resolution
itself
and
the
second?
Whereas
about
the
merging
of
corrections
and
court
service
unit
and
law
enforcement?
C
There
was
some
belief
that
this
would
have
been
done
three
four
years
ago
with
a
resolution.
G
I
can
I
can
share
into
this
okay
yeah.
Yes,
I
mean,
I
mean
the
board
supported
the
policy
in
the
previous
effort
act.
312
arbitration
was
determined
and
I
think
it
went.
I
mean
through
the
labor
process
that
only
those
in
the
patrol
arm
were
eligible
for
312,
with
mandatory
arbitration,
those
in
the
jail
and
the
the
courts
and
providing
those
functions
were
not.
G
I
guess
I
want
to
make
sure
I
say
the
right
word,
a
full
unification
of
the
unit
that
they
that
they
weren't
broken
to
two
separate
units.
One
deputy
sheriff's
union,
even
though
we
by
choice
to
allow
312
arbitration
available
to
the
entire
unit-
and
that
is
I
mean
I-
give
a
contract-
can't
be
reached
that
go
to
our.
I
mean
a
binding
arbitration
process
to
settle
it
that
was
adopted
by
the
board
and
then
I
think,
each
of
the
bargaining
units
I
mean.
I
think
they
accepted
that
policy.
Correct.
C
I've
got
another
question:
the
negotiation
for
the
incremental
percentage
rate
raises.
I
there
is
a
five
percent
this
year
and
then
a
four
percent
for
2023
and
I
believe
the
executive
was
asking
for
a
five
percent
for
the
budget
process.
I
know
that
hasn't
been
accrued,
but
I
also
noticed
for
years
23
and
24,
there's
not
any
two
clauses,
but
there
are
for
25
and
26..
C
Is
there
a
reason
why
there
isn't
me
too,
for
23
and
24?
Should
that
happen.
H
No,
that
just
was
what
we
negotiated
so
remember
in
2022
the
non-union
received
1.5,
so
this
is
actually
going
back
to
the
full
year
of
22
and
then
again
we
just
that's.
What
we
negotiated
was
a
543
and
then,
when
you
move
out
further,
you
just
don't
know
what
what
you're
going
to
be
setting
your
budget's
at.
So
that's
why
we
did
a
baseline
of
two
percent
with
me,
twos
and
the
last
two
okay,
25
and
26.
C
Okay
and
then
a
couple
more,
the
deputy
won
a
starting
salary.
How
does
that
have
an
average
to
our
surrounding
communities.
C
Okay
and
then
last
question
the
retention
bonus
and
the
recruiting
bonus.
Are
there
any
built-in
safety
for
like
being
vested
so
they
can't
take
the
recruiting,
bonus
and
then
leave
or
take
the
retention
bonus
and
then
leave?
Is
there
a
timeline
that
they
have
to
to
stay
to
be
vested
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
those.
F
A
Commissioner,
commissioners,
I
do
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
the
third,
whereas
the
year
2022
has
been
left
out,
so
it
should
say,
whereas
the
parties
have
agreed
to
terms
pertaining
to
general
wage
increases
for
fiscal
years,
2022,
23,
24,
25
and
26,
we
did
get
some
clarification
and
we're
going
to
correct
it
administratively,
so
we
do
not
have
to
bring
forward
an
amendment.
A
All
right
next
up,
we've
got
our
last
item,
which
is
our
legislative
update
at
this
time.
I'd
like
to
bring
our
legislative
lobbyist
to
the
front
of
the
table,
mr
jim
ryan,
so
good
morning,
good
morning.
A
It's
construction
time
around
here,
jim,
so
we're
glad
that
you
made
it
and
you're
here
with
us
this
morning.
It
is
so
welcome.
Well.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioners,
just
want
to
point
out
how
grateful
I
am
that
you
don't
have
these
physical
requirements
of
your
lobbyist.
I
don't
know
if
I
could
run
a
mile
anymore.
I
certainly
certainly
can't
do
20
push-ups.
D
You'll
be
pleased
to
know
that
there's
not
a
lot
to
report
because
since
our
last
conversation
with
all
the
activity
we
had
with
the
budget,
the
legislature
took
their
summer
recess
and
just
recently
decided
that
there's
really
no
need
to
come
in
at
all
in
august
on
scheduled
dates
that
they
had
on
the
calendar
and
as
far
as
september,
they
said
you
know,
we
probably
only
need
to
come
in
for
two
days:
wow,
the
21st
and
28th
of
september.
D
Clearly,
the
the
the
one
concern
that
they
they
have
to
address
and
that
they're
all
working
on
supposedly
working
on
is
the
the
remaining
federal
funds
that
have
not
yet
been
spent
through
a
supplemental
that
we've
talked
about
before
and
also
the
debate
between
the
administration
and
the
legislature
regarding
a
tax
cut.
D
D
But
again,
it's
kind
of
unusual
that
there
was
only
two
session
day
scheduled
in
september
and
that's
not
to
say
that
they
could
schedule
more,
but
it's
not
to
say
either
that
they
can
cancel
that
and
not
have
any
session.
So
there
were
two
issues
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
That
are
part
of
the
conversation
is
to
need
to
be
addressed,
but
when
and
if
they
do
return
in
in
september,
one
is
a
revenue
sharing
trust
fund.
That
is
a
is
an
idea
and
a
piece
of
legislation.
D
D
D
So
there's
that
bill
and
then
there's
another
one
that
is
of
interest.
I
think,
as
well
trial
court
funding
bill
that
will
allow
the
courts
to
continue
to
be
able
to
levy
costs
and
fees
for
their
work,
so
that
that
is
a
second
bill
that
has
been
debated
for
quite
some
time
and
needs
to
really
happen
before
november
in
the
budget
process,
so
other
than
that.
There's
a
lot
of
mystery
as
to
what's
going
to
happen
if
anything
in
september.
D
So
if
it
doesn't
happen
and
the
elections
take
place
and
the
democrats
take
control
of
the
legislature,
there
will
not
be
a
lame
duck.
There's
no.
There
would
be
no
interest
on
the
part
of
the
administration
to
negotiate
in
december
when
they
can
have
control
in
january,
so
a
lot
of
sitting
around
waiting
for
the
elections
to
take
place
and
what
the
outcome
of
the
election
will
determine.
What's
going
to
happen
with
respect
to
the
the
remaining
federal
funds
and
some
other
budget
issue
outstanding
budget
issues,
so
that's
it
in
a
nutshell.
D
A
D
A
You
did
share
commissioners.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
jim
chairman
woodward,
followed
by
commissioner
jackson?
Thank.
G
You
I
mean
real,
quick
and
I
think
I've
I've
communicated
this
to
you.
I
mean
one
of
those
tax
proposal
idea.
That's
out.
There
is
the
earned
income
tax
credit.
I
mean
this
board.
Has
I
mean,
come
out
in
support
of
advancing
that
and
so
definitely
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
partying
there's
a
coalition
of
groups.
I
know
it
was
lifted
up
at
the
mackinac
policy
conference
and
other
things
to
make
certain
that
we're.
G
I
was
in
another
meeting
and
I
believe
it
was
part
of
the
budget,
and
this
is-
and
you
might
not
have
this
information
right
now,
but
some
dollars
that
were
set
aside
to
help
pension
funds
that
were
underfunded.
G
But
if
you
were
a
fund
like
ours
that
fully
funded,
I
mean
in
oakland
county
and
you
didn't
necessarily
get
any
additional
resources.
You're
doing.
We
did
the
right
thing.
So
if
we
could
get
a
little
bit
more
detail,
I
know
there
was
conversation
like
well
for
those
who
did
the
right
thing
and
made
the
sacrifices.
G
There
should
be
some
recognition
of
that
and
I
don't
really
care
what
bucket
it
comes
into,
but
sure
I
mean
to
the
extent
that
we
can.
We
can
do
that
and
then
the
third
thing
is
there
any
discussion
of
a
state
capital
outlay,
whether
that's,
I
doubt
they
get
in
september,
but
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
which
is
customary
end
of
term
things.
Yeah
and
what's
what
are
we
here?
D
Yeah,
for
the
first
point,
thanks,
there
has
been
discussion.
I
have
to
look
up
the
specific
legislation,
but
there
are
those
counties,
oakland
being
one
of
them
exactly
what
you
said:
they're
being
punished
for
doing
things,
the
right
way
and
fully
funding
and
having
to
make
up
for
those
communities.
Those
counties
that
haven't
done
that
and
it's
it's
a
fairness
issue
and
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head
what
that
bill
is,
but
I
can
check
that
out
for
you.
D
The
second
thing
there
is
supposed
to
be
a
capital
outlay
budget.
That's
one
of
the
last
things
they're
going
to
do
so.
Hopefully
we'll
know
this
month,
but
yeah.
That's
that's
the
plan.
B
I
I
Aye,
commissioner
jackson,
thank
you,
as
you
mentioned,
jim,
the
revenue
sharing
trust
funds
affecting
the
counties.
Is
there
any
talk
about
any
of
that
funding
to
affect
the
cities,
because
detroit
has
you
know,
screamed
about
revenue
sharing
for
years
and
years
and
years?
So
what
about
our
cities.
D
Well,
the
cities
don't
have
the
argument
that
we
have
because
theirs
goes
up
every
year
automatically,
whereas
the
counties
have
to
negotiate
every
single
budget
year
and
increase
or
or
what
you
know,
they
have
to
negotiate
their
amount
every
year,
whereas
it's
the
the
cities
get
their
constitutional
and
they
get
their
statutory.
No
matter.
What
so
it's
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
not
a
problem
for
the
cities,
but
but
it's
much
greater
problem
for
the
counties
than
it
is
the
cities.
G
I
mean
it's
collected
in
arrears,
so
we
actually
have
to
guess
what
we're
going
to
get,
because
we
we
bank
on
those
resources
and
then
the
dollars
come
after.
So
that's
that's
the
other
problem
without
having
a
certainty.
Now,
fortunately,
last
many
years
it's
been
reliable
and
then
it's
historic.
It's
been
coming
up
higher
than
anticipated,
but
there
was
a
period
of
time
where
it
came
in
lower
and
then
requires
a
jolt
to
the
county
budgets.
D
E
E
Oh
bill,
I'm
sorry:
okay,
yeah!
Now,
I'm
looking
it
up,
and
this
could
be
an
old
one,
506,
six
and
six
nine.
Those
could
be
old
ones
that
he
introduced.
This
is
new
and
it's
actually
getting
bipartisan
support.
So
I'd
like
to
know
the
status
of
that
and
any
information
you
can
share,
I
will
check
it
out.
D
Thank
you
at
this
point.
I
don't
see
any
way
in
which
a
democrat
bill
with
the
limited
time
left
is
going
to
be
taken
up
by
the
republican
legislature.
It.
E
Okay,
not
happy
to
hear
that.
But
if
you'd
still
keep.
B
B
D
B
G
I
mean
really,
I
know
I
I
saw
I
mean
it
was
posted
on
facebook-
that
there
was
something
that
oakland
county
was
looking
to
impose
a
red
flag
law.
I
think
that's
what
they're
referencing
they're,
calling
it
confiscation
laws,
but
it's
really
red
flag
and
arguing
it's
unconstitutional
and
saying
that
the
county
doesn't
have
the
authority.
I
have
no
idea
what
spurred
that,
but
yeah
there's
nothing.
Now
I
mean
I
think
that
there
is
conversation
around
supporting
red
flag
laws.
G
And
I'm
going
to
describe
it
unkindly.
D
D
But
again
that
was
a
that
was
a
battle
that
took
place
over
30
years,
trying
to
reinstitute
all
these
changes,
and
they
did
that,
and
it's
not
something
that
I
think
at
this
part
in
the
legislature
with
you
know.
Maybe
you
know
two
dozen
legislative
days
left
in
the
year
that
they're
going
to
tackle
they
had
their
opportunity.
There
seemed
to
bend
some
momentum
earlier
in
session
to
address
some
of
the
failures
of
the
past
legislation.
D
D
What's
really
been
a
problem
honestly,
quite
honestly,
is
that,
with
term
limits,
legislators
get
into
a
position
on
an
issue
like
this
such
a
big
issue.
It
takes
such
a
long
time
just
to
learn
the
issue
and
find
out
what
the
problems
are
by
the
time
that
happens,
and
these
men
and
women
figure
out
what
this
issue
is
they're
termed
out
and
they're
gone.
D
So
that's
been
the
problem
for
all
these
years
as
to
why
we've
never
fixed
it,
because
there's
constant
turnover
and
every
time
the
legislature
turns
over.
You
got
to
start
from
ground
zero
again
with
a
new
chair
of
the
committee
and
a
new
speaker,
and
so
I'm
not
saying
whether
a
supporter
opposed
term
limits,
but
that
has
been
a
very
difficult
problem
for
big
issues
like
these.
Like
aircraft
carriers
like
this,
it
just
doesn't
happen
overnight.
So
it
would
take
a
perfect
storm
again.
A
B
D
A
Commissioners,
any
other
questions
for
mr
jim
karen.
Are
you
good?
A
D
A
A
A
With
that
being
the
last
item
under
our
regular
agenda,
commissioners,
is
there
any
other
business
to
come
before
us
this
morning?
Alrighty
scene?
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
thank
you
aaron.
Before
we
close
our
meeting
this
morning,
we
do
have
our
second
public
comment
as
a
reminder.
This
is
for
items
on
the
agenda
off
the
agenda.