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A
A
All
right
public
comment
is
closed
on
our
regular
agenda.
Our
first
item
is
approval
of
the
fiscal
year
2024
Child
Care
fund
budget
to
the
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services,
who
would
like
to
make
a
motion
I'm
a
motion
by
commissioner
support
from
commissioner
Christensen
and
oh
I
have
Chris
here
to
talk
about
this
right.
C
C
Consultation,
the
ultimate
thing,
the
director
of
phhs
for
a
push
time,
Tom
Shire-
he
may
participate,
but
I,
don't
see
him
up
there
and
we
do
have
Barb
Hankey
for
questions
regarding
the
village
portion
of
the
the
child
care
fund
budget
I
for
anyone
who's
not
familiar
with
the
child
care
fund.
It
is
kind
of
a
Cooperative
effort
with
the
Department
of
Health
and
Human
Services
and
the
court
under
the
direction
of
the
presiding
judges,
Family
Division
and
the
chief
court
judge
of
the
Circuit
Court.
C
Please
share
in
the
expenses
of
the
care
for
children
that
come
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
circuit
court,
so
that
can
be
for
sheltered
care.
That
can
be
more
delinquency,
a
number
of
reasons
we
pay
first
in
many
instances
and
the
state
reimburses
us
and
in
some
instances
for
child
neglect,
the
state
pays
first
and
then
we
reimburse
them
for
the
expenses.
It's
a
Cooperative
effort
to
create
this
budget.
Multiple
departments
are
involved
and
we
would
submit
it
to
you
for
your
approval
to
submit
back
to
the
state
for
final
approval.
C
C
It
is
it's
not
a
special
Grant.
It
is
not
substantially
changed
this
year
from
last
year
next
year.
It
may
be
different
because
we
are
still
receiving
the
raise
the
age
funds
in
this
year's
budget
and
they're,
certainly
in
Lansing
they're
working
right
now
in
some
significant
changes
to
the
child
care
fund.
That
next
year
may
be
a
little
different,
but
this
year
is
pretty
similar
to
the
previous
years.
A
A
D
Good
afternoon
Commissioners,
how
are
you
today
sometimes
sorry,
so
today
we're
presenting
the
Hazardous
Materials
emergency
departments,
planning
program
or
hmep
Grant?
It's
an
annual
grant
that
comes
to
the
county
that
that
does
off-site
response
plans
for
hazardous
materials
producers
in
Oakland
County.
The
total
amount
of
the
grant
is
11
550,
with
a
25
match
of
two
thousand
eight
hundred
and
eighty
eight
dollars.
That
brings
a
total
award
to
14
438.
D
That
match
is
paid
for
by
the
salary
of
a
technical
office
specialist
who
puts
together
those
alternate
response
plans
for
the
county
and
submit
some
to
the
state.
A
E
E
So
I
mean
I
think
this
is
these
rates
were
designed
very
specifically
looking
at
an
expectation
of
more
school
resource
officers
going
forward.
This
is
a
product
of
capturing
all
the
direct
and
indirect
costs
associated
with
with
with
law
enforcement,
and
you
see
I
mean
presented
here.
A
schedule
of
numbers
work
with
fiscal
services.
E
E
It's
a
complex
way
to
be
able
to
get
that.
I
mean
these
numbers
together,
but
this
is
an
attempt
to
be
able
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
full
cost
of
of
our
officers.
E
Also
reflective
of
newly
adopted
labor
contracts,
as
well
as
all
the
other
calculated
indirect
costs
associated
with
it.
So
these
will
be
the
numbers
that
we
that
we
will
buy
uniformly
to
all
sros
going
forward.
F
E
F
A
H
Yeah
two
two
questions,
so
the
fully
bloated
rate,
I
guess
I-
would
call
it
is
something
that
we've
been
kicking
around
for
a
while
even
regards
to
Municipal
contracts.
So
do
we
feel
like
these
rates
that
are
applied
here,
are
ultimately
going
to
then
get
applied
to
the
municipalities
that
are
under
contract
with
the
Sheriff's
Office.
E
So,
and
that
was
the
sheriff
office
also
respond
if
to
cover
the
full
cost
and
all
indirect
costs.
It
just
looked
across
the
board
at
everything.
So
that's
what
these
numbers
are.
Those
contracts,
the
standard,
Patrol
contracts
expire
in
a
year
yep,
so
it's
likely
that
we
have
to
so
this.
This
was
very
much
like
structure.
These
are
sros
and
a
little
bit
of
anticipation
that
there's
there
are
more
requests
there
request
pending.
Let's
focus
on
a
very
narrow
Focus,
but
yeah,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
negotiate.
E
I
mean
we're
gonna
have
to
establish
those
rates,
and
then
we
are
to
establish
them
as
the
full
cost,
including
all
indirect
costs.
These
These
are
equivalent
to
with
those.
H
Reasons
yeah
so
so
I
just
want
to
I
know
it's
outside
of
this
topic.
So
excuse
me
for
that,
but
clearly
you
can
see
the
writing
on
the
wall,
which
is
these
are
the
fully
loaded
rates
we've
been
debating
that
at
the
municipal
level
of
the
townships
and
that
have
the
Sheriff's
Office.
Therefore,
these
rates
are
coming
soon.
H
Probably
we
probably
need
to
get
a
message
out
there
and
start
talking
to
them
early
so
that
it
doesn't
become
contract
time
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
they
see
these
rates
versus
what
they've
been
signing
up
for
for
years.
So
I
think
that
would
be
important
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
so
this
contract
and
these
rates
apply
to
all
schools
in
Oakland
county
is
what
it
says.
So
that's
public,
private
or
anything
else
of
that
nature.
Yes,
okay
and
then
one
last
question.
H
So
we
did
a
contract
with
Pontiac
right.
Do
is
this
going
to
supersede
whatever.
F
Had
been
done
there,
because
that's
an
amendment
on
the
bottom
I
think
that
that's
going
to
address
your
questions
yeah
or
by
Barbara's
been
working
with
me
and
the
city
and
Patty
I
mean
with
me
and
the
school
district
and
stuff.
So
she
probably
know.
E
More
anything
I
mean
but
I.
Think,
commissioner
gingel's
getting
too
is
that
historically
and
I
think
this
was
everyone's
preference,
that
the
municipality
city,
Township
or
whatever
would
hold
the
contract.
And
then
a
school
district
will
work
its
arrangement
to
pay
for
its
share
of
whatever
they
use
in
all
that
the
Catalyst
of
Alaska
Notre
Dame.
The
situation
which
there
I
mean
is
a
contract
that
I
think
has
been
operating
on,
something
that
wasn't
a
fact.
E
That's
not
actually
on
paper
anymore
and
then
also
an
indication
by
the
city
to
not
want
to
carry
the
Pontiac
School
District
on
their
yeah
on
their
City
contract.
So
there
will
be
a
and
we
expect
a
contract
with
Pontiac
schools.
F
Yeah
and
a
reason
because
of
that
is
because
what
was
happening
is
deputies
was
being
pulled
and
the
mayor
caught
with
of
it,
and
he
didn't
want
that.
If
we
got
90
officers
for
the
city
of
pioneer,
we
got
90
officers,
don't
put
that
officer
to
go,
do
some
School
District
stuff
and
that's
why
he
wanted
that
contract
to
be
separate.
So
School
District
got
their
desert
two
deputies
and
just
to
not
cross-channel
that
right
from
the
workload
with
the
officer.
F
It's
just
and
we
did
get
some
feedback
from
the
officers
they
wanted
to
be
there.
Not
oh
I
got
a
call.
You
got
to
go
over
here
to
take
care
of
this.
No,
they
don't
want
that.
So
the
mayor,
the
mayor,
that's
why
he
wanted
to
separate
Institute.
So
we
can
have
Clarity
and
you
know
know
exactly
where
officers
are.
I
E
No,
so
these
positions
are
the
law
enforcement
positions
and
then
the
Deputy
as
a
deputy,
detective
patrol
investigator
for
the
patrol
investigator
position,
which
is
it
the
deputy
two
no-fill
line.
F
G
Bottom
one,
and
so
it's
a
higher
cost,
because
it,
the
wb2s,
typically,
are
three
shifts
and
they
share
a
video
call
a
patrol
investigator
since
it
is
either
a
detective
and
or
a
school
resource
officer
has
a
dedicated
vehicle
and
then
the
reason
for
like
kind
of
the
more
generic
title
is
typically
a
lot
of
the
municipalities
have
had
a
had
a
patrol
investigator
that
they
split
so
that
and
that's
why
they
like
to
manage
it,
because
the
school
only
wanted
it
for
nine
months
and
then
the
municipality
wanted
it
the
three
months
in
the
Summer,
where
typically
they
perform
detective
duties
for
the
municipality,
so
they
share
the
cost.
G
J
E
I
Thank
you
and
last
question
and
I:
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
for
this
item,
or
maybe
the
next
item.
But
what
is
the
process
of
selecting
a
wd-4
or
an
officer
for
the
school
resource
officer
position.
I
Is
there
criteria
that
is
utilized
specific
or
a
school
resource
officer
and
I
and
I
ask
specifically
because
I
know
in
the
conversations
that
I've
had
with
active
school
resource
officers
here
in
Oakland
County,
the
one
thing
I've
heard
the
handful
of
them
all
say
is
that
it
really
truly
is
really
important
of
that
person
that
is
going
into
that
school
environment.
So
that's
why
I
I
get
the
letters
of
Interest
the
interview
process,
but
is
there
any
specific
interviewing
requirements
on
the
sheriff's
end
of
interviewing
individuals
who
are
showing
interest?
K
H
So
one
last
question:
this
doesn't
supersede
the
current
process
so
in
in
Orion
Township
they
contract
we
contract
with
the
Charter
Township
of
Orion,
who
Subs
that
out
to
the
school
for
the
liaison.
If
they
want
to
continue
that
process,
they'll
be
able
to
continue
it.
This
just
allows
an
Avenue
if
a
school
wants
to
contract
directly
with
us.
Is
that
accurate
No?
It's
not
changing
right,
I.
E
I
mean
at
renewal
I
think
that's
going
that's
going
to
change
right,
but
I
mean
all
the
contracts
in
place
are
being
honored.
I
mean
these
are
fully
these
capture,
the
full
cost
of
these
office.
There's
a
contract
that's
going
to
expire
in
a
year
and
so
that
all
those
have
to
get
dealt
with.
This
is
designed
specifically
to
address
the
cost
of
sros.
H
Understand
so
Mike
I
guess
my
question
is
forget
the
rate
change
today.
The
officer
at
the
school
is
ultimately
contracted
through
Orient
Township,
it's
between
Orion
Township
and
the
county.
Is
that
relationship
going
to
be
able
to
remain
in
the
future,
regardless
what
the
rates
are
or
are
we
going
to
say
to
orient
schools?
No,
hey!
You
can't
do
that
through
the
township
anymore.
You
got
a
contract
directly
with
us,
and
here
are
the
rates.
E
So,
and
and
Sheriff
off
again,
Brianna
I
mean
this
I
mean
in
recent
weeks.
Does
this
come
up
in
a
conversation,
so
often
with
the
SRO
is
used?
Is
my
understanding
is
like
for,
like
say
nine
months
of
the
year
and
then
in
that
type
of
arrangement,
that
officer
sometimes
gets
deployed
to
do
other
things
other
things,
and
then
they
come
back.
E
E
As
long
as
it's
compliance,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
Sor
SRO
officer,
the
understanding
between
a
school
district
and
a
and
and
the
sheriff's
department,
is
uniform
across
the
board
and
so
how
we
figure
that
out,
which
is,
will
be
part
of
the
the
nation
and
the
renewal
of
all
those
contracts.
But
there's
no
reason
I
mean
this
could
be
pushed
into
that.
It
says
for
the
SRO
program
portion
for
the
nine
months
of
the
year.
These,
following
things
have
to
be
agreed
to
and
hello
superintendent
or
School
Board.
E
H
Just
so
maybe
we
could
take
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
do
I
need
to
go
to
orient
Township
and
say:
hey
look,
get
prepared.
The
rates
are
going
to
go
up
because
now
they're
fully
loaded
versus
what
could
be
arguably
not
fully
loaded
and
secondarily
I
need
to
go
to
orient
schools
and
say:
hey
school
board
and
superintendent.
Get
prepared
because
you're
no
longer
going
to
be
able
to
get
your
officer
through
Orient
Township,
you're
gonna
have
to
contract
directly
with
Oakland
County.
E
L
Following
it
with
the
Notre
Dame
agreement,
but
there
was
specific
mention
of
training
for
the
for
the
SRO,
so
it's
just
not
in
these.
It's
it's
in
that
contract.
Right,
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
be
sure.
M
I'm
tutorial
speaking
of
a
contract
with
the
school
board
versus
a
municipality
coming
from
local,
we
get
grants
from
the
state
for
SRO
officers,
Public
Schools
do
and
that's
a
contract
with
the
municipality
and
the
state
and
that
offsets
the
officer
because
the
municipality
governs
the
police.
Well,
if
you
have
a
local
police
unit
governs
that
budget.
M
E
E
Okay,
the
I
mean
what
it's
probably
more
appropriate
for
the
next
item,
but
yeah
I
mean
I,
have
a
very
clear
understanding
of
like
rules
and
having
it
writing
that
all
parties
understand
like
this
is
what
I
mean
the
most
basically
understood
is
that
our
officers
are
not
disciplinarians,
that
they
are
officers
of
the
law
and
have
a
training,
and
that
I
mean
they're
under
the
direction
of
the
sheriff
they're,
not
in
the
direction
of
the
school
at
any
time,
and
so
I
mean
being
very
clear
about
that.
E
I
think
in
practice
is
that's,
what's
I
mean
what's
happening?
Yeah
I
mean
a
contract
kind.
E
Thank
you
so
so
this
is
should
be
for
all
I'm
reading.
This
now,
therefore
be
a
resolve
Clause.
It
should
be
for
it
says
in
non-public
schools
it
should
be
for
non-public
and
public
schools.
So
can
I
make
it
just
a
quick
amendment
to
add
and
public
schools.
E
A
A
E
And
I'll
speak
to
this
now
I
mean
I'll
go
through
it
and
it's
a
lot
of
I
am
a
borley
plate.
Language
is
drawn
from
some
of
our
normal
stuff
again
Corporation
Council,
the
Sheriff's
Office
fiscal
Services.
Risk
management
have
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
time
to
do
this,
to
try
to
keep
it
as
concise
as
possible,
but
clearly
like
layout
the
rules
of
like
how
I
mean
I
think
how
this
Arrangement
works.
E
I
think
some
of
the
most
important
things
comes
down
to
general
rules
and
responsibility,
so
I'm
party's
purpose,
term,
communication
and
I
think
that's
pretty
straightforward,
consistent
with
our
general
practice
of
law
enforcement
contracts,
General's
responsibility
of
all
parties
based
on.
Let
me
again
the
arrangement
with
the
with
the
sheriff's
department
to
place
one
or
more
school
resource
officers
into
I
mean
into
the
building
set
forth
with
exhibit
one
which
is
attached
at
the
end.
E
The
enemy
Sheriff
will
select
and
provide
appropriate
oversight.
I
mean
very
clearly
that
they
that
this
is
an
employee
of
Oakland
County
under
the
direction
and
supervision
of
the
sheriff
the
share
of
chain
of
command,
and
that
will
provide
the
SR
with
all
required
equipment,
so
vehicle
I've,
gotten
all
that
type
of
stuff
and
the
appropriate
training
spells
out
specifically
what
the
school
will
do.
It's
also
captures
some.
E
A
recommendation
of
the
independent
report
to
the
ox
I
mean
the
wake
of
the
Oxford
incident
number
e,
specifically
to
make
sure
that
the
school
will
include
SRO
and
all
threat
assessments.
E
You
know
I
mean,
and
that
was
a
recommendation
that
we
want
to
like
lock
in
and
make
us
very
clear
from
the
start.
This
is
what
we
should.
We
need
to
be
doing
in
order
to
protect
the
safety
of
everyone.
E
The
provide
this
at
the
workspace
I
will
ensure
that
staff
fully
communicate
and
cooperate
with
meet
with
the
school
as
as
necessary,
and
a
number
of
I
mean
other
things.
I
won't
read
out
specifically
I
mean
spelling
out
getting
to
sro's
hours
and
policy
matters
being
very
clear
that
our
officers
will
not
be
involved
in
enforcement
of
school
discipline.
E
E
It
I
mean
takes
recognition
to
FERPA,
but
also
making
certain
that
our
SRS
Ro
is
has
access
those
and
as
a
authorized,
able
to
perform
those
those
roles
as
an
authorized
agent,
as
well
as
an
understanding
of
anything
that
we
collect
in
our
data
and
on
our
end
is,
is
a
property
of
the
Oakland
County
Sheriff's
Office.
This
speaks
to
training.
E
The
next
section
speaks
to
training
40
hours
of
specific
SRO
training.
This
is
I
mean
what
under
Sheriff's
child
has
made
reference
to
is
I
mean
required
for
all
these
officers,
there's
probably
some
any
additional
continual
education
that
comes
points
of
contact
being
very
clear.
Who
are
the
people
I
mean
involved
and
in
this
Arrangement
special
events?
If
our
officer
is
needed,
maybe
or
so
outside
the
normal
school
hour
structure,
what
are
the
rates
I
mean
and
the
approval
has
to
go
through
an
approval
process
which
is
captured
in
here.
E
Assignment
liability
risk
management
was
involved
in
this
to
make
certain
that
I
think
all
of
them
from
a
risk
of
my
ability
perspective
that
Oakland
county
is
protected.
A
So
the
school
is
part
of
the
consideration
for
the
value
it
receives
for
the
services
provided
under
this
agreement
will
pay
a
dollar
per
student
per
calendar
year
to
be
applied
to
the
County's
safer
communities
fund,
which
is
our
next
item
so
I
don't
know
if
this
is
backwards
or
not?
Do
you
want
to.
E
Well,
I
can
speak
to
I
mean
the
fun
I
mean
the
fund
is
being
created
to
support
a
host
of
activities
on
buyback
programs,
training,
gun
safety
programs,
as
well
as
training
and
be
able
to
provide
for
training
of
training
provided
for
across
the
county,
is
as
deemed
appropriate
by
the
sheriff's
department.
So
that's
that
fund
has
to
get
created.
The
the
dollar
per
student
up
to
a
five
thousand
dollar
cap
is
I
mean
what
the
consideration
into
that
fund
right.
E
This
would
be
standard
we'd,
all
Contracting,
for
SRO
officers.
There
are
a
number
of
school
districts,
my
understanding
in
particularly
in
the
South
End
of
the
county,
that's
interested,
whether
they
can't
whether
the
local
law
enforcement
doesn't
have
the
capacity
I
mean
anything.
We've
talked
about,
I
mean
your
neck
of
the
woods,
but
there
are
others
right.
This
will
be
the
standard
agreement
applied
to
everybody.
F
E
F
H
I
appreciate
the
chair,
bringing
us
up
because
I
had
a
question
on
this
too
so
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
I
understand:
I'm
the
Lake
Orion
High
School
I
have
2500
kids
there
right
now:
I
contract
through
Orion
Township
or
through
Orient
Township
contracts,
Oakland
County,
regardless.
If
I
maintain
that
relationship
or
now
contract
directly
with
the
county,
my
cost
is
going
to
go
up
because
our
rates
are
going
up
and
in
addition
to
that
now,
I'm
gonna
have
to
pay
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
a
year.
H
On
top
of
the
higher
rates
to
create
this
fund,
which
I
mean
to
be
honest,
I
I
feels
like
overreach,
so
the
2500
that
Orient
Township
puts
in
the
fund
does
that
stay
in
the
Orion
Community,
because
it's
our
our
kids
I
guess
that
are
paying
for
the
2500
bucks.
Why
should
that
get
spent
in
Ferndale
or
or
no
fence,
Charlie,
Royal,
Oak
or
any
place
else
that
doesn't
seem.
E
Really
fair
to
me,
I
think
that
engaging
in
activities
that
make
all
of
our
communities
safer
is
safe,
is,
is
safety,
that's
created
for
all
school
districts,
all
communities?
We
live
in
a
day
and
age
of
school,
of
choice
in
which
students
live
in
one
community
and
attend
school
in
a
particular
area
and
all
of
those
things
I
mean
if
I
would
say
like
we
didn't
have
school
of
choice
and
people.
E
Weren't
I
mean
that,
like
only
people
in
an
individual
area
stay
there
that
might
I
may
have
some
Merit,
but
the
reality
is
is
that
people
come
from
all
areas,
and
so
this
is
a
fairly
modest
amount
of
money
to
be
able
to
use
in
activities
that
make
communities
safer
support
and
efforts
to
reduce
violence
and
I.
Think
that's
the
best
interest
of
all
kids.
N
You
know,
but
my
question
is
actually
kind
of
the
inverse
of
commissioner
kinjals-
was
that
this
one
dollar
per
student
had
to
exceed
five
thousand
dollars.
What
I
like
about
this
is
that
it
provides
room
for
training.
What
I
worry
about
is
that,
if
you
look
through
the
rest
of
these
policy
issues,
they
talk
about
suicide
prevention
or
ideation
talks
about
requests
for
calls
breach
of
peace,
and
so
that's
a
lot
for
someone
to
handle
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
group's
appetite
is
for
changing
that
formula.
N
In
Salt
Lake
City
and
that's
six
grand
right
there
just
for
one
person,
not
including
airfare
hotel
reimbursement
all
that
stuff.
So
if
we're
really
gonna
do
this
right,
I
feel
like
we
should
invest
in
this
I.
Don't
like
this
either
like
the
SRO
thing
period.
But
if
we're
gonna
do
it,
we
can't
mess
it
up.
A
N
M
E
M
M
A
P
Oh
and
thank
you
all
Commissioners
Joliet
for
your
comments
and
I
have
a
different
view
of
this,
because
you
know:
we've
been
in
a
a
situation
environment
where
we
have
to
do
something
about
school
and
school
violence
and
looking
at
ways
to
address
it
and
I.
Don't
think
that
a
dollar
per
student
is
too
much
money
to
ask
at
this
point
in
time.
P
I'm,
not
sure
how
commissioner
Cavell
and
commissioner
gershenson
is
looking
at
this,
because
they
were
the
ones
that
initiated
the
gun
buyback
program,
but
we
have
on
the
31st
of
July
in
Southfield,
our
chief
of
police
is
bringing
together
several
law
enforcement
communities,
and
this
would
be
something
really
good
for
the
board
to
say
that
we're
progressing
because
it's
progress
and
so
and
we've
just
been
looking
at
this
for
so
long.
We
don't
need
another
Oxford
now
you
know
we
just
don't
need
it.
P
A
lot
of
money
went
to
that
situation.
Reactively-
and
this
is
something
that
could
be
looked
at-
keep
going
thank.
H
H
We're
going
to
take
that
two
thousand
dollars
from
Oxford
and
put
it
in
a
pot,
and
none
of
it
might
go
to
Oxford,
and
so
we
start
talking,
then,
about
hey,
we're
putting
this
in
place
to
help
the
kids
train,
the
kids
never
to
have
another
Oxford.
Why
wouldn't
we
say
that
the
money
raised
within
the
local
school
district
stays
within
the
local
community
for
these
purposes
right
and
if
the
local
community
chooses
not
to
use
it,
then
it
goes
into
the
broader
fund.
E
Mean
I
guess:
I
would
just
respond
to
that
again
that
we've
got
students
that
are
coming
from
all
different
communities,
not
just
the
ones
that
are
not
just
where
that
the
physical
School
building
is
located
school
districts
that
span
multiple
communities,
but
don't
represent
the
entire
Community
there
I
think
it's
a
I
mean
I,
think
it's
important
I
think
we're
talking
about
building
scalable
training
programs
that
the
sheriff
office
can
deliver.
That's
empowered
the
sheriff
to
be
able
to
share
of
office
to
go
to
the
places
necessary
to
keep
our
community
safer
as
a
whole.
E
We're
not
talking
about
a
huge
amount
of
money
and
I
think
that
I
mean
this.
This
board
in
this
county
has
demonstrated
its
ability
to
move
resources
in
an
acute
way
to
respond
to
a
situation
but
regularly
and
actively
look
to
ways
to
create
a
path
to
I
mean
to
achieve
how
we
reach
and
scale
and
deliver
services
in
the
most
I
mean
effective
way
that
it
create
a
safe
communities,
are
necessary
for
safe
schools
and
I.
Don't
think
the
boundaries
of
wearing
school
buildings
specifically
is
located
is
where
the
boundary
of
safety.
E
E
You're
not
going
to
make
it
up,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
I
mean
that's.
I,
I
create
and
safe
communities
are
responsible,
everybody,
whether
I
mean
it's
I
mean
helping
create
conditions
that
make
it
safer
in
Pontiac
or
in
Royal,
Oak
or
in
Orion
or
Ferndale
or
whatever,
that
we're
not
talking
huge
amounts
of
money
and
I
I.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
as
a
public
educator
of
over
18
plus
years.
I
This
is
a
difficult
agenda
item
for
me
on
on
many
levels,
I
believe
that
there
are
more
valuable
ways,
empirically
supported,
evidence-based
Solutions
to
utilize
the
resources
and
money
and
education
to
support
students
and
do
whatever
possible
to
ensure
that
safe
learning
environment
I
do
believe
that
police
are
not
the
answer
to
schools
and
school
shootings.
The
answer
is
gun
control,
placing
deputies
and
officers,
and
schools
is
an
easy
way
out
of
a
difficult
but
very
necessary
conversation.
I
I
say
all
of
that,
because,
as
I
said,
I
I
understand
the
critical
importance
of
doing
whatever
we
can
do
to
start,
ensuring
that
our
students
and
Educators
go
into
a
safe
and
conducive
learning
environment
across
all
of
our
communities
in
Oakland,
County
I
will
be
moving
forward
and
supporting
this
policy,
because
it
is
the
right
thing
to
do
despite
my
own
personal
experiences
and
opinions-
and
it
really
is
a
sad
moment
because
we're
here
talking
about
this,
as
opposed
to
other
solutions
to
ensure
those
safe
environments
in
school,
I
appreciate
the
time
and
the
collaboration
that
was
put
forward
with
Drafting
and
creating
this
policy.
F
You
thank
you
Mr
Powell,
I'm,
gonna,
say
I'm,
happy
that
commissioner
Nelson
is
still
going
to
move
forward
and
support
this,
but
until
you
really
are
in
a
school-
and
you
really
see
it
because
we've
had
sros
I
had
them
my
whole
12
years
in
Pontiac,
School
District
as
a
student,
and
until
you
really
are
in
the
schools-
and
you
are
faced
with
what
goes
on
violence,
drugs
people
bring
in
weapons
and
it's
really
around
you.
F
Police
officers
are
needed.
It's
just
the
proper
training,
hopefully
that
that
officer
is
at
proper
training
and
that
perfect
mentor
to
be
in
that
space
around
kids,
because
you
are
right
it
doesn't.
It
does
depend
on
the
type
of
SRO
individual
that
do
become
that
officer
to
be
in
that
school
and
what
I
can
say
is
at
least
for
what
Pontiac
school
district
has
done.
F
If
they've
strongly
vetted
that
to
make
sure
we
had
good
sros,
so
I
just
hope
that
the
training
that
we
new
sros
coming
into
this
field,
get
that
proper
training
to
be
those
stand-up
sros
that
I've
seen
with
my
own
eyes
to
keep
them
kids
safe
in
them
schools.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
I
support
sros
in
school.
A
E
Chair
I
want
to
underscore
something
that
commissioner
Nelson
said,
because
I
too
have
struggled
with
this.
I
mean
the
research
out
there
if
it
was
a
simple,
just
put
an
SRO
in
a
school
and
then
school's
good
students,
school
shooting
staff
I'd
be
all
in,
but
that's
not
what
the
research
Bears
said
and
and
I
think
we
I've
actually
really
appreciated
the
conversation
that
I've
had
directly
with
the
sheriff
the
sheriff's
staff.
E
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
school.
The
prison
pipeline
I
was
very
concerned
about
the
interaction
with
I
mean
building
a
record
while
you're
a
high
school
student
I
mean
the
risk
of
that
and
there's
evidence
around
the
country.
I
I
will
also
say
that
our
officers
I
have
no
evidence
of
that
here
that
I
I've
ever
heard
of
from
our
America
our
Sheriff
officers,
but
I
mean
data
collected
around
the
country,
showing
that
there's
increased
scrutiny,
which
is
going
to
come
to
like
some
jointly
collaborated
like.
E
E
The
I
mean
the
interaction
between
student
and
law
enforcement,
and
how
do
we
be
mindful
of
that
and
make
certain
that
all
students
are
treated
equally
and
not
particular
Community
is
disappointed,
personally
impacted
for
whatever
variety,
because
I
I
know
many
have
been
working
on
this
for
a
while
went
down
the
policy
rabbit
hole
and
it
did
not
like
I
mean
I'm
very
concerned
for
a
lot
of
the
things
that
commissioner
Nelson
raised,
that
we
need
a
holistic
whole
child
whole
Community
approach
to
address
this
to
make
people
safe
I
mean
that
being
said.
E
This
is
the
moment
that
we're
in
and
if
we
are
going
to
have
SRS
Ro
officers,
I
mean
sros
in
place
being
very
clear.
Their
rules,
schools,
roles
and
I
mean
how
that
relationship
works
and,
like
I,
said,
I,
think
the
this
I
think
this
will
become
a
model
template
that
gets
used
by
the
local
communities
around
the
state
talking
to
Corp,
Council
and
other
people
at
captors.
E
I
Madam
chair
just
quickly,
given
chairman
I,
appreciate
what
you
have
shared.
Is
there
anything
because
the
restorative
practice
aspect
of
a
school
resource
officer
truly
is
a
critical
component
to
training.
I
know
that
within
this
template
it
under
the
SRO
training
requirements,
it
says
that
it
will
be
determined
jointly
by
school
and
sheriff.
Is
there
any
language
that
we
can
put
in
there?
I
That
makes
it
almost
mandates
that
there
has
to
be
some
form
of
training,
of
restoration,
restorative
practices,
because
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
really
great
training
out
there,
I
I
know
the
state
of
Michigan
and
their
Sr
school
resource
officer.
Grant
they've
listed
out
some
really
great
training
components,
but
in
light
of
some
of
the
things
that
chairman
said,
I
think
it
would
be
wise
to
put
specifically
that
I'm
not
asking
to
micromanage
a
specific
amount
of
hours,
but
I
think
it's
critical.
A
I
And
I
see
that,
which
is
why
I
made
that
comment
of
I'm
not
wanting
I,
don't
want
to
micromanage
how
many
hours
out
of
that
40
should
be
dedicated
to
restorative
practices,
as
included
in
that
training.
But
one
of
the
things
I
just
like
to
lay
out
is:
it
would
be
wise
to
put
some
language
in
there
that
emphasizes
that
restorative
practice
component
in
the
SRO
training.
Are
you
putting
them
in
a
minute?
I
I
just
basically
want
to
throw
it
up
for
discussion
to
hear
I,
I,
hear
and
I
see
what's
in
the
template,
but
I
also
know
a
critical
key
to
that
gel
the
prison
or
the
school
to
pipeline
restorative
practices
is
key.
E
So
if
I
can
respond
in
two
ways,
I
mean
one
half
Senator
sheriff
or
and
try
to
see
if
that
40
hours,
if
there's
I
I
think
there
is
best
practices,
I
think
we
draw
from
those
best
practices.
I
would
be
hopeful
that
that
40
hours
include
some
of
that
and
so
I
think
the
undershirts
are
trying
damn
sense.
F
E
Think
we're
good
we're
we're
at
the
policies
debate
stage,
but
thank
you
Nicole
that
so
I
I,
the
undersheriff's
gonna
see
if
that
is
currently
part
of
that
practice.
E
That
being
said,
I
agree
with
you,
I
mean
completely
and
I
I
think
that
I
mean
the
sheriff
office
would
understand
and
I
think
if,
if
there's
additional
costs
incurred,
I
think
the
safe
communities
fund
should
be
able
to
help
pay
for
restorative
practice.
Training
right
so,
but
I
think
undershirts
and
get
some
of
that
information
and
I.
E
Contagious
okay,
I
mean
I,
can
answer
so
ultimately,
so
we
established
like
rates
and
everything.
Ultimately,
we
approved
contracts
with
any
entity.
So
if
it's
a
a
hardship,
that's
demonstrated
that
we
have
the
ability
to
address
that
I
think
it's
important
to
uniform
when
you
buy
these
things
uniformly,
but
as
we
have
in
the
past,
we
have
moved
resources
to
help
communities
that
didn't
have
resources
in
the
past,
and
so
you
might
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
that.
E
I
would
me
personally-
and
this
is
just
me
speaking-
that
if
that
was
a
situation
and
a
thousand
dollars,
five
thousand
dollars
was
the
make
or
break
that
can
afford
everything
else.
Except
and
that's
the
thing
that
brings
it
I'm
going
to
be
like
show
me
the
balance
sheet.
But
if
that
really
was
the
case,
then
maybe
that
we
need
to
look
at
a
conversation
or
like
how
we
keep
it
whole
so
that
all
the
the
contributions
of
everybody's
in
the
pot,
okay,.
E
I
mean
you
can't
do
it
yeah,
okay,
I
mean
I,
would
assume
there'd
be
something
okay
it
that's.
Why
I'm
just
throwing
in
a
blank
I
mean
again
from
a
fun
perspective.
It's
not
I
mean
that's
not
where
the
cost
is.
The
cost
is
on
those
rates
that
we
trust
them
approved,
because
it's
also
not
cheap.
That's
a
that's
a
reality.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
to
clarify,
I'm,
not
sure
I,
understood,
Sherman,
your
response.
So,
let's
say,
for
example,
some
of
the
things
that
we
know
from
from
factual
is
that
a
lot
of
times
a
lot
of
the
schools
that
need
these
additional
resources
and
supports
are
oftentimes
our
schools
that
struggle
with
funding
right.
I
E
So
like
so,
what
we
do
we're
we're
Contracting
for
services,
and
so
I
mean
we've
established
rates
that
are
the
full
costs,
the
full
cost
and
indirect
costs
associated
with
that.
If
someone
they
just
take
that,
for
instance,
if
a
school
teacher
said
I
can't
afford
that,
then,
is
it
it's
the
discretion
of
this
board
to
consider
something
different?
E
It
can.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
seek
different
funding
streams
to
help
support?
This
I
mean
I,
Envision
I
mean
particularly
also
for
I.
For
this
we
say
Community
Fund
like
if
there
are
State
resources,
Federal
resources
to
be
brought
in
that
might
be
able
to
use
to
offset
I
mean
that
maybe
a
25
subsidy,
whatever,
if
that's
the
barrier
of
making
this
app
that
I,
but
these
are
not
required
by
services
that
these
are.
E
E
If,
if
if
a
school
district
is
not
fully
paying
the
cost
of
the
the
officer
than
we
are
all
right
well,
the
county
is
because
they
would
be
an
employee
of
the
county
with
materials
from
the
county,
or
we
find
another
source
of
resources
to
help
pay
for.
I
That
so,
for
example,
let's
use
something
that
I
think
is
going
to
come
before
us
at
some
point
is
I
know
we
approved
funding
for
a
school
resource
officer
in
Pontiac
via
our
American
Rescue
plant
dollars,
from
my
understanding
that
contract
is
coming
up.
I
So
with
that
being
said,
what
happens
if
Pontiac
comes
forward
and
it
shares
the
the
the
need
for
support
for
getting
this
funding
to
happen
for
this
school
year?
I
mean
I
mean
same.
E
Mean
yeah
I
mean
any
dollar
that
we
appropriate
against.
The
full
cost
has
to
be
appropriated
by
County.
Now.
What
I
will
say
is
that
school
districts
also
got
a
tremendous
amount
of
appropriated
dollars,
historical
state
budget,
yeah
dollars
and
other
resources.
So,
but
that's
a
short
there's
short
term
and
long
term
right
I
mean
the
arpa
dollars
and
for
Schools
they're
called.
E
They're,
basically
the
same
things
that
once
those
dollars
are
gone,
what's
the
long-term
plan
to
be
able
to
pay
for
these
some
cases
increasing
Foundation
allowance
and
make
it
easier
for
some
school
districts
to
pay
for
that
one
solution
structurally
at
the
state
level,
but
hey
someone
has
to
pay
and
if
it's
not
if
the
school
district
doesn't
have
the
resources
I
mean
at
least
up
to
date,
it's
been
the
county
using
our
resources
to
help
fill
that
gap,
which
I
mean
I.
F
Got
to
figure
it
out
just
so,
you
know
Kristen
the
conversation
I've
had
with
Barbara
and
that
sub
type
of
a
situation
is
that,
yes,
they
do
have
a
clear
and
do
you
come
into
a
lot
of
funding.
We
have
to
have
that
conversation
with
them,
but
prior
to
us,
paying
that
second
year
in
full
they
had
a
match
requirement,
so
it
never
has
been
like.
F
Oh
we're
just
going
to
cover
it's
just
that
then
the
second
year
they
did
have
a
higher
deficit,
higher
issue
higher
crimes
and
because
we
had
the
Oxford,
we
just
took
care
of
it
because
we
had
the
Opera
funding.
But
no
that
conversation
is
back
on
the
table
and
I
think
like
he
said
if
it
does
come
up,
and
that
is
an
issue
I
think
it's
beyond
is
on
the
city
and
the
school
district,
to
try
to
figure
that
out
and
try
to
get
those
funds.
F
F
That's
where
my
concerns
came
in
and
I'm
happy
to
see
that
it
reflect
there
to
say
what
SRO
offices
are
to
do
and
what
is
the
school
district
responsibility,
because
leadership
was
intervening
with
our
officers
to
do
their
job
right
and
so
I
think
when
they
have
more
of
a
stake
in
it,
it
just
gives
them
more
teeth
to
be
more
involved
in
it
and
just
not,
you
know,
think
they're
over
just
going
to
get
an
officer
every
year.
F
No,
no
you
got
to
pay
for
this
stuff
and
we
want
to
reduce
crime,
not
keep
it
going
or
the
and
stuff
is
increasing
within
the
schools.
The
issues
I
recruit,
increasing
and
that's
what's
been
happening
so
no
like
for
us,
Kristen
I've
talked
to
them
and
we're
planning
to
talk
to
them
more
to
get
that,
but
now
they
have
to
they
gotta
figure
it
out,
but.
E
That's
the
last
thing,
I
think
I
mean
this
is
a
fundamental
policy.
Question
I
mean
how
do
we
like?
How
do
we
apply
whatever
support
we
would
give
to
one
school
district
Pontiac?
How
is
it
uniformly
applied
to
all
districts
because
pontiac's,
not
the
only
School
District
that
has
I
mean
it-
has
difficult
Financial
challenges,
yeah.
H
I,
like
putting
officers
in
school
I
like
that
school's
ability
to
contract
with
us
I
do
not
like
the
Safe
Community
Fund,
putting
a
dollar
on
it,
and
since
this
is
relatively
new
I'm
going
to
vote.
No
to
give
myself
more
time
to
process
that
and
see
if
there's
other,
fair
and
Equitable
ways
to
create
a
fund
for
a
safe
community.
A
E
Believe
is
there
anything
to
add
I
mean
just
to
add
I,
believe
there's
an
amendment
that
well
is
it
on.
Are
we
working
okay?
Yes,
but
yeah?
If
I,
you
load
up
the
amendment
that
was
on
there,
so
basically
it's
the
same
thing.
I
mean
we
basically
talked
about
how
it
would
be
used.
E
The
amendment
would
add:
do
I
mean
these
funds
could
be
used,
they
pay
for
trains
conducted
by
the
Oakland,
County,
Sheriff,
Office
and
other
and
other
programs
to
reduce
and
prevent
violence
and
and
added
a
be
it
further
resolve,
Clause
that
an
advisory
ad
hoc
committee
would
be
form
made
up
of
Four
County
Commissioners
appointed
by
the
chair
and
an
Oakland
and
in
the
Oakland
County
sheriff
or
designee
to
make
recommendations
to
the
full
Board
of
how
to
appropriate
these
dollars.
Too.
I
mean
codify
collaboration
from
the
Sheriff's
Office.
I
Nelson,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
to
gain
some
understanding
in
the
second,
whereas
talks
about
the
board
of
commissioner
seeks
to
create
in
Oakland,
County,
safer
communities,
fine
for
this
positive
money
received
from
donations,
agreements
associated
with
Public
Safety
grants
and
other
funds.
What
are
examples
of
agreements
associated
with
Public,
Safety
and
I?
Ask
because
this
is
a
newer
concept.
Basically,.
E
M
E
E
E
E
From
a
flexible,
if
the
sheriff
and
this
board
came
together
and
says,
listen,
this
is
absolutely
critical
to
address
safety
in
our
schools.
I
mean
there's
nothing
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
legally.
That
would
prevent
us
from
doing
that,
but
I
think
we
should
we're
going
to
Tree
in
all
schools
the
same.
If
we're
going
to
create
a
mechanism
to
subsidize
where
our
hardship
is
demonstrated,
you
should
probably
do
that
something
separate
I
think
that
would
be
my.
A
A
B
A
A
H
It's
unanimously
approved:
is
there
any
possibility?
This
could
be
moved
to
tonight's
sport
agenda
or
is
the
attempt
to
is.
A
F
N
F
No
just
so
you
know
they
figured
all
that
out.
Okay,
yeah
between
the
deputies,
I
mean
the
mayor
and
what
it
was.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
sorry,
the
way
it
was
being
you
know
they
credited
back.
F
Everything
was
intact,
like
yeah,
so
I'm
sorry
I
forgot
to
update
you,
sir
yeah,
because
I
called
you
the
first
one
to
tell
you
what's
going
on
so
yeah,
it's
been
clear
all
right.
Let's
prompt
the
vote.
B
E
Chair
Woodward,
this
these
overtime
rates
take
in
consideration
of
all
direct
and
indirect.
A
E
So
I
mean
this
is
request
that
Somerset
mall
has
asked
to
I
mean
to
use
Sheriff
deputies
as
they
need
we'll
use
the
new
overtime
rates
that
we
just
like
voted
on.
These
are
not
creating
positions.
This
is
literally
using
the
existing
capacity.
I'll
go
on
the
record
that
I
worry
about
the
The
Strain
on
officers.
I
I've
been
very
opening
with
the
Sheriff's
Office
of
private
entities,
Contracting
law
enforcement
agencies
to
police
a
mall
I.
E
At
the
same
time,
the
I
mean
the
Detroit
Police
Department
is
also
at
capacity
and
doesn't
doesn't
have
additional
capacity
to
do
it,
and
so,
if
deemed
necessary,
that
at
least
the
the
rates
that
are
charged
cover,
the
full
cost.
A
E
N
G
If
we
don't
have
volunteers
that
we
will
not
fill
the
slots
and
then
we've
also
added
in
the
event
of
staff
and
shortages
that
again
to
be
filled
by
a
surgeon
or
Lieutenant,
so
that
they
pay
the
higher
rate.
And
then
you
know
our
surgeons
and
lieutenants,
don't
don't
typically
get
forced
into
overtime,
so
they
will
step
up
and
volunteer
for
the
most
part.
E
It's
right
now,
I
get
that
I
just
but
I
also
see
that
people
volunteering,
it's
more
money,
it's
more
things,
but
it's
adding
to
exhaustion
to
be
able
to
do
it.
So
I
I
trust
the
sheriff
to
manage
all
that.
A
N
The
contract
that
says
that
law
enforcement
Services
shall
not
include
and
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
things
related
to
the
company
or
company
agents,
which
I
assume
include
security
and
then
also
lists
a
map.
So
then
that
include
so
shares
will
not
be
involved
in
removing
any
objectional
patrons
become
involved
in
any
dispute
resolution.
N
I
don't
understand
what
their
role
will
be
about.
If
I
mean
are
they
sitting
outside
the
mall,
because
they
understand
it
says
Road
Patrol
right
there.
They
should
do
Road,
Patrol,
climb,
detection,
crime
prevention,
but
it
says
underlined
and
voltage
should
not
include
security
guard
parole,
safety,
personnel,
complaint,
adjusters,
Operational,
Support,
General,
crowd
control.
All
these
things
that
feel
like
Somerset
is
asking
for
additional
support
because
they
want
help
with
that.
Might
include
this,
so
I
just
don't
understand
what
the
what
they
would
be
doing.
I've.
N
E
This
has
been
an
issue.
The
city
of
Pontiacs
requested
a
change
in
rank
in
an
officer
as
well
as
some
a
couple
new
deputies.
There
were
some
labor
issues
that
kind
of
came
to
surface
and
I
believe
they've
all
been
resolved.
So.
F
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Powell
I
just
want
to
say,
I
think
the
sheriff's
department,
all
the
entities
that
was
involved,
Amy
Union,
for
coming
to
such
an
agreement.
F
Our
the
city
of
Pontiac,
mayor
and
Council,
had
already
moved
on
all
of
this.
The
sheriff
Bouchard
had
already
approved
it.
They
did
have
to
go
back
and
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
on
a
couple
things,
but
I'm
just
happy.
We
here
I
will
vouch
for
our
Captain.
Who
is
the
one
we're
looking
to
be
promoted?
F
He
has
done
a
lot
for
that.
City
he's
born
breaded
notice,
City.
He
works
well
with
the
officers
he
he
makes
sure
we're
safe
and
I.
Just
think
that
it
would
have
been
crazy
for
us
to
not
I,
don't
even
care
if
Commissioners
were
not
going
to
support
it
me
and
I.
F
Had
author
already
talked
to
commissioner
Nelson,
we
were
still
going
to
support
this
initiative
because
I
see
the
work
and
I
work
with
him
all
the
time
and
I'm
just
happy
that
they
overall
came
to
some
agreement,
especially
when
the
mayor
and
the
council
had
already
passed.
Everything
and
one
is
what
they
want.
So,
thank
you.
J
F
A
Report
meeting
we'll
have
a
number
of
items
on
the
consent
agenda
and
two
on
the
regular
agenda.
So
now
we've
moved
to
our
public
comment.
Is
there
anyone
from
the
public
wishing
to
comment
seen
none
public
comment
is
closed.
There
is
no
other
business
to
come
before
this
committee
and
we
are
adjourned
at
5
30..
Thank
you.