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A
A
B
Well,
I
appreciate
your
time
very,
very
much
so.
B
I've
been
causing
lots
of
disruption
and
spreading
the
word
and
and
trying
to
put
my
back
into
it,
and
so
I've
probably
exceeded
my
competence
in
several
areas,
but
that's
kind
of
what
you
have
to
do
to
shove
things
forward.
B
So
that's
so
that's
where
we're
at
so
as
a
as
the
expert
and
as
the
author
of
the
plan
that
we're
using
I
have
to
say
that
it's
been
very
well
received
and
we've
gotten
lots
of
interest
and
and
solid
feedback
and
there's
plenty
of
places
to
move
forward.
B
The
parts
that
I
know
where
to
work
on
that
we've
been
working
hard
on
and
then
I
took
your
advice
to
work
on
propulsion,
just
as
hard
as
the
Communications
to
heart.
So
we've
got
some
some
good
stuff
going
there
and
actually
it's
the
it's
the
engine,
people
that
you
originally
outlined.
It
turns
out.
That
was
not
on
purpose
that
but
was
like
almost
completely
by
accident,
that
I
ran
into
shamandra
and
all
the
folks
that
that
are
working
on
that
and
it's
come
quite
far
and
has
been
has
flown
twice.
B
So
this
is
good
stuff.
That
I
am.
A
Growing,
this
is
the
guys
that
the
US
Navy
Navy
Naval
Academy,
were
using
right,
I.
B
Think
so
that's
Brickside
or
or
one
of
the
other
ones
yeah
yeah
yeah.
So
this
is
good
stuff,
I
I.
This
is
propulsions,
not
my
area,
but
I've
learned
an
awful
lot
to
try
to
to
help
and
to
to
understand.
You
know
how
to
get
it,
how
to
how
to
get
it
on
board.
I
think.
A
Let's
back
up
one
step
since
we're
talking
about
compulsion,
and
that
is
how
has
the
own
notion
of
using
a
GTO
then
Modified
by
varying
the
pair
G
altitude?
How
is
that
flown
with
the
commission
and
any
other
itu
types
that
you
might
have
talked
with.
B
The
commission
was
very
supportive,
The
Experience,
even
with
Mr
kinsiger
was
very
positive
and
the
yeah
it
got
it
got.
Okay
yeah
we
see
what
we're
what
you're
doing
both
the
modified
heo
with
the.
C
B
Know
to
to
not
cross
over
these
shells,
they
they
got
it
right
away
like
they
understood
exactly.
What
was
what
we
were
talking
about
and
that
got
a
yeah.
That's
not
a
problem.
You
know,
there's
repercussions
for
this
orbit
and
all
but
like
the
FCC
was,
was
you
know
they
can't
pre-approve
it
or
anything
like
that.
B
But
this
was
very
understandable
and
it
was
as
positive
as
you
could
possibly
ask
for
the
other
orbit,
meaning
straight
to
graveyard
equally
positive,
and
they
said
you
just
need
to
write
the
mission
plan
very
carefully,
because
it's
unusual
and
both
of
those
things
you
know
I
mean
that's,
that's
why
we
we
then
hit
the
ground
yeah
pretty
hard
and
and
started
working.
A
B
It
didn't
hurt,
they
didn't
ask
any.
They
asked
to
request.
They
didn't
ask
any
questions
about
the
history.
They.
They
also
seem
to
assume
that
there's
a
whole
lot
more
of
us
than
there
are
and
and
kind
of
assumed
that
we
were
I.
Think
probably
like
as
if
we
were
ready
to
go
or
well.
A
They're
used
to
being
told
that
by
the
rest
of
the
community
and
I
I
think
you
could
also
assume
they
would
assume
a
certain
amount
of
exponential
growth,
because
the
other
parts
of
the
space
Community
are
exhibiting
that
so
we
we
are
a
unique
factor
in
that
way
and
there's
nothing
much.
You
can
do
about
it
because
yeah.
B
No
we're
we're
not
there's.
B
Not
here,
anyway,
yeah
we're
we're
doing
I
think
we're
doing
as
well
as
as
as
well
we're
doing
better
than
anybody
else
expected
that
you
never
please
yourself
and
it
always
seems
like
it's
going
slower
than
you
think
it
should.
But
it's.
B
A
Regarding
the
orbit
itself,
I
have
been
noticing
that
I
I
would
have
expected
that
by
now
things
would
have
slowed
down
with
the
with
the
I
guess
what
I
should
call
what's
Elon
color
system
I.
Never
can
remember
that
Starling.
A
A
I
I
would
have
thought
the
the
whole
piece
of
new
proposals
and
new
new
applications
and
stuff,
but
I,
don't
think
it
really
has
I
I.
Don't
understand
this
crazy
exponential
requirement
for
more
and
more
orbit
shells
I,
just
don't
I!
Just
don't
see
why
these
guys
think
the
world
is
going
to
embrace
all
this
so
as
much
as
they
think
it
will.
A
I
can
tell
you
so
anyway.
Bottom
line
is
that
I
think
it
could
be
that
the
parody
of
the
orbit
ought
to
be
a
variable
in
the
trade
study
right
now,
and
that
really
means
Delta
V
in
that
turnarounds
in
turnaround
means
Mass,
and
one
thing
I'd
like
to
do
is
give
you
a
program
that
I
wrote:
that's
an
Excel
spreadsheet
which
might
help
you
do
the
planning,
because
this
propulsion
stuff
isn't
all
that
complicated,
really
and.
A
Help
you
not
have
to
write
any
more
equations
than
you
need
to,
and
and
we
we
can
do,
the
trades
I
can
help
you
use
it
if,
if
it,
if
that,
helps
and
I'll
show
you
how
how
I've
been
using
it,
but
we
can
easily
in
minutes
calculate
the
Delta
B
requirements,
but
I
I
can
already
tell
you
probably
with
the
numbers
has
moved
northward
from
a
couple
hundred
meters
per
second
or
whatever
it
was
I,
was
forecasting
150
to
200
meters
per
second,
probably,
we
ought
to
be
planning
for
more
like
three
to
four
hundred
feet
per
second
of
Delta
V,
and
that
means
a
can
be
up
increase
the
ISP,
which
always
is
easier
if
you
use
electric
propulsion,
blood,
thin
thrust
and
the
burn
durations
become
longer,
because
the
threats
thrust
goes
down
of
the
motor,
and
so
there's
all
these
trades
to
be
done.
A
That
you'd
be
from
you're
now
becoming
familiar
with
respiratory
yeah,
so
I
could
imagine
having
to
have
a
parent
just
higher,
maybe
as
1400
to
1500
kilometers.
Now,
instead
of
down
around
it,
I
was
hoping
for
a
thousand
and
twelve
hundred,
and
so
I've
been
moving
North.
As
these
constellations
up
here.
A
B
B
A
B
B
Where
it
would,
it
would
constantly
kind
of
Rise,
especially
with
the
sorts
of
numbers
that
we're
seeing
in
terms
of
applications
and
to
go
back
to
your
question
of
why
in
the
world,
would
you
want
to
flood
like
this?
It's
to
is
to
try
to
get
rid
of
every
possible
competitor
as
quickly
as
possible.
That's
just
the
business
plan
of
of
of
a
service
industry
really
is
to
to
wipe
everybody
else
out
by
simply
flooding
the
market.
C
A
In
terms
of
backing
horses,
I
would
now
for
SpaceX
way
ahead
of
everybody,
but
after
that,
I
probably
would
go
on
Amazon.
Second,
because
I
know
what
they're
about
to
launch
and
then
probably
put
one
with
third-
and
there
probably
will
be
a
European
player
and
whoever
acquires
the
license
from
Talus
yeah.
A
A
There's
another
player
I
know
of
that
wants
to
do
it,
but
more
through
the
internet
of
things
and
and
they're
a
big
player
and
that's
Echo,
star
and
Telly
sat
has
had
an
application
on
file
for
a
long
time,
but
they've
always
been
talking
about
a
constellation
of
between
100
and
120
satellites.
So
that's
almost
a
non.
A
A
They
might
go
up
a
bit
because
of
the
lifetime
of
the
spacecraft
being
unacceptable,
given
the
cost
yeah
so
you're
going
to
have
this
very,
very
tight
band,
which
means
with
all
those
satellites
in
that
small
volume
that
that
small,
we
might
call
it
a
super
shell
yeah,
you
don't
want
to
go
in
there
period
yeah
and
you
hardly
want
to
go
through
it
once
yeah
and
to
get
there
yeah
and
then
they'll
be
very
tightly
constrained
in
altitude.
So
the
eccentricity
of
the
orbits
will
be
darn
near
perfect.
A
I
would
imagine
to
keep
the
keep
the
variability
and
apogee
impaired
you
down,
and
you
know
it's
just
going
to
be
this
game,
that's
being
played
and
I
think
it'll
become
more
and
more
apparent
and
more
and
more
dense
and
those
guys,
therefore,
are
going
to
have
to
manage
the
living
heck
out
of
the
the
orbits
yeah,
which
means
that
it's
got
to
be
a
very
sophisticated,
automated
system
on
each
company's
case
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
that's
what
I
think
is
gonna
you're.
B
B
B
Levels
right,
you'll
be
able
you'll
be
able
to
give.
You
know
a
really
very
impressively
high
level
of
service.
You
know,
even
with
each
individual
spacecraft,
not
maybe
being
as
as
advanced
or
sophisticated
or
or
or
as
you
might
expect.
You.
A
Know
yeah
well,
I,
don't
know
if
you
remember
good
old,
Lance
Jenner,
but
Lance
Jenner
is
a
big
Elon,
Musk
supporter
I,
don't
know
if
it
is
done
with
Twitter,
but
but
that
notwithstanding
he's
he's
got
two
Teslas
in
his
garage
and
he's
got
he's
got
a
a
a
star
link
on
his
roof
and
I
got
to
use
it
and
he
he
was.
A
He
was
showing
me
the
meter,
you
know
he
he
was
doing
his
speed
test
and
he
was
getting
95
megabits
per
second,
that's
that's
faster
than
I
get
on
in
the
end
here,
which
is
supposed
to
be
fiber.
Of
course.
That's
that's!
A
that's
cheap,
but
still
I
I
only
get
about
70
50
to
70
megabits
per
second,
and
he
was
sustaining
95
forward
and
about
50
return,
so
impressive
stuff
and
pretty
small
antenna
really
and
you
just
plunk
it
on
the
roof
and
it
takes
care
of
itself.
B
Were
able
to
see
them
up
close
and
in
person
at
Defcon
over
the
summer
in
August,
so
it
was,
it
was
neat
the
starlink
team
was
demonstrating
with
us
in
our
village,
so
we
got
got
lots
of
time
to
talk
with
them
and
and
the
yeah
it's
it's
a
it's,
not
an
enormous
antenna.
C
B
For
for
the
mountain
here
in
San
Diego,
some
of
the
mountains
are
always
a
tricky
to
get
internet
access
and,
and
at
least
one
of
my
friends,
I
ordered
starlink.
It
arrived
and
it's
it.
The
the
onboarding
process
is,
is
pretty
cool,
but
the
thing
looked
around
and
said:
there's
too
many
trees,
sorry
and
not
possible.
A
Know
so
rainforests
don't
work
very
well
true,
so
that
that
actually
does
exclude
a
lot
of
people,
though,
from
being
able
to
use
these
systems
and
I
still
go
back
to.
Why
would
you
want
to
do
it
by
a
satellite
anyway,
and
the
answer
seems
to
be
my
gosh
if
he's
giving
you
95
megabits
per
second
there's
a
lot
of
places
in
the
world
that
can't
achieve
I
mean
you
know
if
you're
sitting
in
the
middle
of
San
Diego
or
the
middle
of
Silicon
Valley
or
even
the
middle
of
La?
B
A
A
A
C
A
But
it
is
worth
worth
noting
how
that
that
is
a
factor
that
we
have
to
play
with
and
I
mean
there's
nothing
yeah.
B
A
A
B
I've
gotten
some
traction
with
47
gigahertz
work
and
some
some
some
good
stuff.
This
is
all
still
Surplus
and
and
and
somewhat
random,
and
we
still
have
supply
chain
problems
for
working
on
the
RF
side.
We
did
pick
up
an
additional
volunteer,
that's
very
serious
about
hardware
for
space
and
flight
hardware,
and
so
that
was
going
to
be
the
one
of
the
questions
that
I
bringing
to
you
and
people
like
Thomas
Perry.
B
We
probably
need
to
start
building
things
that
look
more
like
flight
Hardware,
especially
for
RF
chains.
The
flight
hardware,
for
the
fpgas
and
for
the
processors
can
can
probably
wait
quite
a
bit
but
I'd
like
to
actually
start
building
things
that
for
for
the
RF
side
and
to
do
for
the
downlink
I'd
really
like
to
build
10
and
I'd,
really
like
to
build
24
and
I
would
like
to
build
47.
A
Yeah
I,
I
I,
would
say:
24-47
looked
like
a
good
transponder
for
the
future,
but
I
I,
don't
think
we're
quite
quite
there.
Yet
I
think
we
gotta
got
to
do
this
incrementally,
just
like
you
said,
and
everything
should
be
done
incrementally,
although
I
guess
one
thing,
that's
different
I
have
to
adjust
my
thinking
from
this
world.
I'm
trying
to
live
in
everybody
wants
how
many
spacecraft
by
win.
You
know
and
realize
that
we
probably
don't
have
enough
money
to
do
this.
A
B
A
We
should
be
realistic
and
say
once
every
two
to
three
years:
we
need
to
kind
of
do
a
replacement,
augmentation
and
you
know,
do
I
I.
Think
I
still
like
What's
called
the
LeapFrog
technique
that
I
have
to
I'll.
Give
you
credit
credit
as
due
I
think
Martin
Sweden
first
thought
of
it
in
detail,
but
I
gave
him
the
idea
kind
of
thing.
So
the
idea
is
you
do
something
that
works,
and
then
you
fly
to
you're
trying
to
fly
two
somethings
and
you
fly
the
thing
that
worked
on
the
next
mission.
C
B
The
feedback
that
we
got
recently
You-
probably
if
you,
if
you
if
you've
looked
at
any
of
the
the
writing,
I,
try
to
repeat
early
and
often
and
and
get
lots
of
recordings
and
and
get
all
the
stuff
published.
That's
just.
A
B
Of
it
all
of
it
is
at
the
link
that
I
put
in
the
chat
and
I'll
send
it
to
you
in
email
too,
so
we're
trying
to
keep
everything
in
one
place
on
the
in
the
repo.
So
what
we've
been
trying
to
do
is
just
capture
all
the
work,
get
it
down
to
simple,
to
understand
as
possible
without
being
any
simpler,
because
then
you
lose
important
stuff
and
some
really
good
feedback
from
jamsat.
B
Who
will
publish
they're,
going
to
publish
an
article
coming
up
here
in
November
in
the
jamsat
journal,
which
is
an
excellent
Journal
about
this
proposal
and
all
the
work
and
they've
welcomed
us
to
to
meetings
and
we'll
continue
to
to
work
with
them.
What
we're
proposing
is
that
they
be
part
of
this
and
to
to
throw
in
and
to
to
join
up
and
to
to
help
us
make
it
make
it
happen
as
you.
As
you
know,
you
know
that
that's
the
idea,
but.
B
Since
we
talked
last,
there's
been
and
presentations
and
deliveries
and
they've
responded
with
publishing
the
work,
which
is
much
better
response
from
Jam
sat
than
than
many
other
organizations
and
their
feedback
back
to
us
about
the
station
capability
and
about
the
the
you
know.
People
in
Japan.
B
You're
part
of
the
globe,
you
know
some
feedback
about
what
they
want.
Another
thing
that
they
brought
up
was
to
pay
much
closer
attention
to
the
qo
100
frequency
plans,
because
we
have
a
five
gigahertz
Uplink
and
a
10
gigahertz
downlink,
and
that's
been
our
our
Mo
for
a
while
and
they're
like.
Is
there
any
possible
way
that
we
can
reuse
all
of
this
equipment
that
we
see
and
you
know
being
developed.
B
Is
two
gigahertz
or
2.4
up
2.4
says
two
gigahertz
up
and
10
down,
so
it's
different.
It's
still
the
same,
pretty
close
to
this
exact
same
frequency
band
that
we
want
to
use,
but.
A
A
B
Tedious
I'll
put
this
in
the
chat
as
well,
and
it
tells
you
this
is
a
web
page
that
I
go
to
a
lot
when
I
want
to
introduce
people
to
the
idea
and
it's
yeah.
It's
2.4,
gigahertz
up
and
you'll
recognize
the
the
10
4
89
down
for
the
Lin,
for
this
is
a
this.
They
have
two
transponders
one's
a
narrowband,
linear
and
the
other
is
a
wideband
digital,
which
is
probably
more
of
interest
to
us
than
what
we're,
after
both
are
essentially
the
same
band,
just
different
slightly
different
sub
bands.
B
So
you'll
see
on
that
page,
the
the
details
of
exactly
where
the
narrow
band
and
wide
band
transponders
are
located.
So.
B
Right
now,
yeah
right,
yeah,
the
good
instincts
yeah,
but
these
there's
since
there's
a
constituency,
an
audience,
a
participation,
lots
of
activity.
It's
been
wonderful
to
see
and
I've
been
able
to
help
out
a
little
bit
from
time
to
time,
even
though
it's
not
visible
from
here,
but
it's
close
enough
and
it
because
it's
a
10,
gigahertz
downlink
the
Uplink
is
different,
though
you
can
tell
that
it's,
it's
yeah
yeah!
It's
now
you're
you're
in
a
different
sort
of
Wi-Fi
neighborhood.
B
A
I
mean
Channel
characteristics
and
we
have
to
use
a
thing.
We
call
buying
the
link
you're
going
to
have
to
buy
the
link
on
the
Uplink,
which
means
the
Uplink
signals
are
each
each
amateur
signal
is
going
to
have
to
be
stronger
than
the
sum
of
by
usually
five
to
ten
DB
stronger
than
the
the
sum
of
The
Ensemble
of
Uplink
noise,
calling
it
noise
that
you're
getting
from
the
aggregate
of
all
the
Wi-Fi
signals
you
can
see
from
Geo,
and
that
must
be
Amanda
humongous.
A
B
Part
of
the
satellite,
and
so
this
is
a
linear,
transponder
yep,
and
it's
it's
so
so
it's
a
it's
a
category
that
is
I
wish.
We
should
probably
point
that
out
just
for
they're.
B
So
so
we
do
have
a
different,
it
makes
it
more
complex,
but
we
don't
have
some
of
the
same
challenges
that
they
do
it's
you
know
different,
but
we
have
been
asked
like.
Okay,
there's
all
this
equipment
and
all
this
attention
and
all
these
articles
and
all
you
know,
we've
built
up
a
community
using
these
frequencies.
Would
you
consider
having
this
frequency
plan
supported
on
on
on
your
design?.
A
How
about
another
idea,
what
if
you
put
it
as
like
an
adjacent
channel,
so
put
it
right
at
the
edge
of
their
band
in
both
the
Uplink
and
the
downlink?
The
problem
is
that
you
get
a
big,
a
big
buy
by
using
the
bottom
two
megahertz
of
2400
to
24
I,
think
we
are
believe
it
or
not.
We
are
primary
in
the
band
2400
to
2417
in
the
United
States.
If
we
ever
used
it.
A
If
we
ever,
if
we
ever
exercised
our
Authority
to
be
Primary
in
that
band,
I
think
we'd
lose
it
in
about
10
minutes.
A
We
we
have
to
take.
We
have
to
share
the
interference,
so
the
bottom
line
is,
if
you
look
at
the
roll
off
of
the
filters
that
are
used
in
in
in
Wi-Fi
you'll
see
that
they
do
roll
off
pretty
good
in
the
bottom,
two
megahertz
of
the
band,
so
there's
a
big
advantage
in
using
the
bottom
one
to
two
megahertz
as
the
as
the
Uplink
frequency,
because
those
filters
are
rolling
off
all
the
Wi-Fi
noise.
That
would
be
seen
if
you
look
down
at
the
world
in
in
that
orbit.
Well,.
A
A
B
A
500
Killers,
but
anyway,
what
I
would
suggest,
then,
is
append
right
on
top
of
that,
but
you'll
lose
much
of
the
advantage
of
the
filter,
the
nominal
filter,
roll
off
of
the
Wi-Fi
communities.
B
Anyway,
that's
that
was
some
feedback
from
all
of
this
work
of
presenting
and
talking
and
meeting
and
and
all
from
from
the
Japanese
Community.
Another.
A
Thing
to
think
about
is
you
could
consider
putting
a
receipt
Channel
there,
because
by
and
large
receipt
channels
don't
cost
as
much
power
as
a
transmit,
Channel.
Obviously
I
guess,
although
that
may
or
may
not
be
true
for
software-defined
radios,
where
there's
where
a
lot
of
the
firmware
is
done
in
an
fpga
and
that
burns
several
Watts.
What
I
would
say
is
if
you
can
get
a
receiver
that
can
be
in
the
half
watt
category
of
power,
then
it
might
be
worth
having
two
uplinks
and
then
a
switch
to
go
between
them
or
use.
C
A
B
Yeah
so
it
sounds
like
we
could.
The
core
has
been
five
and
ten,
so
we'll
we'll
stick
with
that.
That's
that's
what
we're
doing
and
we
have
a
road
map
and
advice
and
plenty
of
frequencies
really
to
work
with
at
this
point.
You
know
so
five
and
ten
as
the
the
Baseline
and
then
we
have
24
and
47.
We
have
down
to
2.4.
B
No
tenant,
actually
10
and
24
is
something.
We've
been
starting
to
talk
about
a
lot
and
we
of
course,
have
our
feed.
We
have
a
dual
band:
feed
for
10
and
24.
Now
we're
ready
to
do
that.
I'm
agnostic
on
the
pairing,
I
I,
like
five
and
ten
I.
You
know
like
10
and
24..
So
to
me,
since
I'm
a
base
band
person
and
we're
spending
the
vast
majority
amount
of
time
trying
to
get
the
encoder
in
the
decoder
and
the
multiplexing
working
on
the
fpga,
then
you
know
what
I'm
good
with
either
one.
B
A
And
yes,
okay,
so
I
have
a
new
input
there,
and
this
is
a
new
thread.
Unfortunately,
I'm
going
to
forget
the
name,
but
we
Gordon
and
I
were
at
the
small
set
conference.
C
A
We
came
across
this
guy
who
has
been.
He
was
a
contributor
to
phase
three
d's
Hardware
payload
in
Europe,
he's
a
millimeter
wave
dude
and
he
builds
he
what
he
was
selling
at
the
conference
where
a
million
millimeter
wave
antennas
but
he's
a
an
amsat
DL,
slash,
UK
enthusiast.
A
He
wants
to
be
able
to
help
us
Gordon
grabbed
his
name
and
everything.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
particularly
because
he's
such
a
good
RF,
Hardware
delivery,
it's
RF,
Hardware
designer
radial,
amateur,
full,
full
and
true
blue
and
has
demonstrated
delivery
through
the
Carl
meinser
system.
If
I
can
call
it
that
I
would
suggest
he's
a
really
viable
candidate.
So
unfortunately,
I
can't
remember
his
name
right
now,
but
I've
got
reference
to
it.
I
will
send
you
the
email
chain
that
Gordon
sent
to
me
and
he
definitely
would
like
to
participate.
A
C
C
I've
got
the
scars
to
just.
A
That
works
yeah
so
anyway,
but
I
could
imagine
having
maybe
a
bit
of
a
conference
call
thing:
okay,
I
think
it
would
be
good
if
we
can
convince
Gordon
to
stay
in
because
Gordon
is
a
wonderful
RF
designer
and
now
has
now
has
tremendous
skills
in
the
millimeter
wave
Department
we're
right
now
working
we
just
built
a
payload
that
was
e-band
I,
think
it
was
43
43.3
up
in
31
point
something
down
gigahertz
for
a
client
and
it's
in
orbit
and
working
and
we're
we're
working
on
what
we
call
our
Gen
4
Ka
band
system,
which
goes
up
to
2.7
gigabits
per
second.
A
So
so
he's
really
and
he's
been
leading
the
charts
on
all
this.
We
have
team
members
who
are
commercial
partners
and
things
and
I
don't
think
this
would
fit
into
the
category
of
you
know
open
sourcing,
unfortunately
yet,
but
that
doesn't
matter
Gordon's
Gordon's
w-0.
Are
you
in
and
and
he's
worked
on
many
many
small
amateur
satellites
as
well,
including
phase
three
C
and
D.
A
Right
now,
he's
he's
72
years
old,
but
he's
he's
working
80
hours
a
week,
kind
of
stuff.
So
so,
but
I
I
can
get
him
attracted
to
hearing
this
story
and
I
know
he
wants
to
really
try
and
help
out,
and
his
thought
was
to
get
this
guy
plugged
in
he
said
this
guy
looks
like
the
strongest
bet
for
Hardware
for
millimeter
wave
force
for
amateur
radio.
Well,.
A
C
A
There
I
think
also
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
sort
of
stopped
worrying
about
itar,
but
I
think
I
should
I'm
trying
to
convince
you.
You
should
hold
on
a
second.
A
Could
only
imagine
and
let's
not
get
sidetracked.
B
On
that
no,
but
all
you
have
all
my
empathy
with
phone
calls
so
yeah,
but
yeah
well,
you're,
so
you're
familiar
with
our
ITR
and
ear
work
and
the
success
there.
So
you.
A
Know
well:
okay,
but
I
I'm
only
but
I
actually
haven't
really
read
too
much
about
it,
but
I
can
only
tell
you
that
we
don't
worry
about
it.
B
A
B
No,
we
did
that,
it's
all
classified
we,
we
got
the
results
that
we
wanted
lots
of
hard
work
and
really
really
good
advice
and
some
some
hard
fundraising
to
pay
for
lawyers,
and
it
was
accomplished
and
we've
been
using
it
ever
since
and
building
upon
it
and
helping
other
people
to
build
upon
it
too,
because
a
portfolio
is
better
than
a
single
result
in
each
of
these
categories.
So
that's
what
we've
been
doing.
We
are
not
worried
and.
B
B
A
A
B
I
think
you're
right
I
would
say
we're
already
pretty
thoroughly
International.
In
fact,
there's
just
speaking
solely
for
myself,
it's
much
more
likely
that
we
get
a
volunteer
from
a
significant
like
of
somebody.
That's
spending
a
lot
of
time
and
contributing
technical
work,
it's
much
more
likely
that
they'll
be
from
Europe
than
from
the
United
States,
a
lot
of
people
that
are
very
active
in
digital
Communications
com,
Theory
and
also
fpga
designer
Communications
design.
B
On
the
ground,
we
do
have
a
hardware
engineering
shortage
in
the
United
States.
It's
not
not
getting
any
better,
statistically
like
looking
all
looking
at
all
of
the
surveys
and
and
the
number
of
people
that
go
into
the
field.
Just
looking
at
hard
numbers,
you
can
see
that
it's
been
a
steady
decline
for
decades
and
that
decline
is
mirrored
by
the
increase
in
Cut
software
and
computer
science
people.
You
can
see
this
effect
right.
We
all
see
it
if
you've
ever
had
to
do
any
hiring.
B
B
C
B
Demand
you,
you
can
see
that
this
has
been
a
very
challenging
thing.
So
the
fact
that
we've
been
able
to
produce
high
quality
work
is
remarkable,
but
it's
from
working
very
hard
and
being
aware
of
the
shortage
and
also
being
International
without
International
participation.
Without
solving
the
itarget
AR
problem,
we
would
have
shut
down
in
2018
and
2019.
We
would
have
stopped.
B
We
are
completely
on
top
of
this.
What
you've
said
is
so
completely
correct.
It's
the
only
way
that
we're
able
to
do
what
we
do
is
we
have
the
global
participation
AS
Global
as
possible.
Obviously
we
we
would.
We
have
one
or
two
participants
from
South
America
that
are
excellent.
B
We
have
people
that
are
on
the
list
from
China
and
we
have
the
supporters
for
like
on
Twitter
and
social
media
and
that's
it.
We
don't
have
anybody
from
Africa
that
I
know
of
we
might
have
somebody
that's
joined.
So
when
I
say
that's
Global
or
International,
it's
Europe
and
and
some
of
Asia,
so
so
Japan
and
yeah,
but
mainly
Europe
when
we
say
International
to
be
to
be
totally
fair
and.
A
With
the
exception
of
of
South
Africa
I,
don't
think
we've
ever
had
I
think
I'm
speaking
in
general,
we,
the
small
satellite
Community,
we've,
never
had
any
participation
in
terms
of
our
design
or
anything
like
that
from
any
other
country.
In.
B
Africa,
we
do
have
some
upcoming
events
that
we
are
aware
of
that,
we'll
we'll
try
to
support
and
pay
attention
to
there's
an
upswelling
of
of
satellite
enthusiasm
through
IEEE
and
the
as
an
upcoming
Meetup
of
young
professionals,
I
triple
eyp
people
in
Tunisia,
and
so
there's
it's
out
there
there's
also
another
sort
of
a
industry
or
a
technical
group
that
tried
to
get
some
space
stuff
started
for
for
Africa
and
I
reached
out
to
the
the
chairwoman
of
the
the
conference.
B
So
we
can
see
that
there's
efforts
and
that
there's
things
going
on
and
at
least
throughout
IEEE,
were
able
to
kind
of
keep
up
with
this
and
keep
reaching
out,
and
it's
a
big
ask
to
to
ask
people
to
do
open
source
in
general
and
especially
for
something
where
Hardware
design
and
Hardware
engineering,
where
there's
such
a
shortage
but
yeah
without
international
team,
we
would
simply
not
have
a
design
we
would
not
have
working
stuff.
None
of
this
would
be
able
to
happen
if
we
were
restricted
to
to
us
persons.
A
In
terms
of
trying
to
think
about
the
main
hubs
in
in
the
U.S,
the
first
thing
is
whatever
exists
in
the
bay
area
and
again,
even
though
he's
pretty
far
poor
Lance
is,
is
now
dying
of
pancreatic
cancer.
A
Yeah
but
he's
still
there
and
still
wants
to
help
and
there's
a
few
people
in
the
Bay
Area
that
can
do
some
good
stuff.
How
about
the
San
Bernardino
us
not
saying
either
the
the
stuff
going
on
in
San
Diego
would
carry
Banky.
Oh.
B
Yeah
curie's,
you
know,
Carrie
is
super
helpful
and
there's
a
San
Diego
microwave
group
in
general
has
been
very,
very
supportive.
A
C
C
B
A
It's
a
I
didn't
even
know
they
still
existed.
The
guys
I
work
with
are
definitely
well
and
truly
gone.
Yeah,
no.
B
B
B
A
C
B
B
A
B
Him,
oh
gosh,
now
it's
good
stuff
and
a
good
group
and
lots
of
they
still
have
a
pretty
active
Surplus
scene.
So
we've
been
able
to
get
components.
You
know
your
all
of
your
all
of
your
silver
boxes.
This
came
from
spms,
you
know
these
bag
of
stuff
came
from
svms,
you
know,
I
mean
and
and
if
I
got
a
47
gigahertz
covered
dish.
A
A
B
B
B
A
Positive
and
helpful,
you
know,
I
mean
one
thing
you
can
do
is
try
and
thread
those
groups
together
and
get
get
them
aligned
and
and
get
a
purpose
going
and
get
a
project.
All
they
need
is
a
mutual,
a
big
Mutual
project
with
a
fantastic
goal.
I'd
say
that
that's
the
way
to
make
that
work.
It's
always
work
for
amset
to
do
that
and
yeah
and
and
their
use
is
a
response.
If
there's
a
goal
and
if
there's
a
date
associated
with
it.
Yes,
just
do
a
demo
launch
of
something
you
know:
yeah
yep,.
A
A
Now,
if
we
switch
gears
a
little
bit
because
I'm
probably
gonna
have
to
go,
is
anything
that
can
help
you
with
in
in
the
what
I
call
project
management
advice.
A
A
what
you
call
a
r
d
prototyping
capability,
which
has
got
to
be
good
enough
quality
that
it
can
fly.
In
other
words,
everything
amateur
radio
flies,
is
a
proto-flight
at
best
and
it's
never
going
to
be
flight
Hardware
by
the
Martin
Lockheed
Martin
definition
of
what
that
means,
or
any
of
that.
Of
course,
we
know
that.
But
what
I
mean
is
I
think
I
can
help
you
put
together
the
kind
of
labs
and
stuff
that
would
be
needed
to
to
get
that
going
and.
B
B
The
any
help
on
this
was
any
and
all
help
on
this
would
be
appreciated.
I
I've
got
I've
got
some
amount
of
expertise
here,
but
you
know
this
is
I.
I
need
this
to
to
work
as
well
as
possible,
so
I.
C
A
I'll
need
to
ask
a
lot
of
questions,
because
a
lot
of
this
will
be
in
firmware
now.
In
other
words,
yeah.
B
No
and
surprisingly
it
it
there's
all
sorts
of
opportunities
and
really
cool
things
that
that
that
we
can
do.
Oh
there's
all
sorts
of
strange
ways
and
different
implementations
and
choices
and
trade-offs,
and
it's
just
one
big
gigantic
groiling
mass
of
a
trade
study.
And
but
but
you
know
what
we're
the
the
wonderful
thing
about
this
group
and
about
the
organization
and
about
the
way
it's
evolved.
B
Is
that
we're
completely
unafraid
to
just
go?
Do
it
and
try
it
and
commit
to
it
and
do
our
best
and
keep
hitting
it
with
the
tire
iron
until
it
gives
up
and
works,
and.
A
B
A
Meetings
but
no
but
I
can
try
to
I'll,
give
you
a
downer
headline
on
that
and
that
is
I'm
headed
for
Hawaii
in
on
the
11th
for
about
the
better
part
of
a
month,
because
that's
actually
good
news,
because
I
from
that
hotel
system,
where
I
know
I'll
be
staying,
I've
got
good
internet
coverage.
Yes,.
B
C
A
C
A
Think
even
then
I
could
probably
do
a
half
hour.
Type
yeah
connects
maybe
even
up
to
an
hour
and
maybe
on
a
regular
schedule
and
then
then
I'll
be
only
three
hours
off
your
time.
That's.
B
B
I
have
a
solution
for
that,
so
I
have
it's
called
a
Time
Kettle,
and
these
are
a
little
earphones
and
I
play
the
audio
from
so
they
do
do
some
there.
There
are
some
English
presentations
like
when
I
present
I
give
it
in
English
and
then
then,
whatever
needs
to
be
translated
is
translated
by
very
generous
members
of
jam
set
that
are
very
good
at
translating,
but
the
Japanese
parts
of
the
time
Kettle
will
translate
it
to
my
phone
and
I
can
at
least
follow
along
now.
B
This
does
reveal
some
very
amusing
things.
For
instance,
filter
is
translated
as
hygiene,
and
so
you
just
have
to
know
that
the
mechanical
translation
is
going
to
choose
some
interesting
words
and
once
you
kind
of
learn
the.
B
Yeah,
yes,
you
could,
you
can
kind
of
get
it
get
it
so
I
I
follow
along
with
the
with
that.
If
a
presentation
is
in
Japanese
and
fortunately
technical
presentations
for
amateur
satellites,
not
too
bad,
the
slides
themselves
often
tell
almost
all
the
story
and
then
in
between
you
know,
so
it's
just
been.
C
B
Proud
to
be
a
member
of
jamsat,
you
know
have
been
to
their
Symposium
in
the
past
and
hope
to
be
able
to
go
back
in
the
future
when
we're
we're
able
to
travel-
and
you
know-
that's
been
a
good
thing,
so
it's
been
educational
and
wonderful
and-
and
you
know
so,
I'm
happy
to
do
it
just
a
little
early,
just
I.
C
B
Know
a
little
painful,
but
that's
okay,
it's
completely
worth
it
and
you
know
what
a
lot
of
jam
set
people
get
up
for
meetings
that
we
have
at
Ori
and
I
know
that
it's
like
extremely
early
for
them.
So
if
we,
if
we
split
the
burden
back
and
forth,
then
it
works
out
so
I
don't
know.
When
do
you
want
to
meet
next
for
for,
like
a
half
hour
to
touch.
B
A
B
A
Be
awesome
and
he
can
then
present
a
little
bit
more
about
his
thinking
about
this
guy
and
what
he
might.
What
he's
talked
to
him
about
they've
apparently
had
a
couple
of
conversations
about
the
whole
idea
of
trying
to
fulfill
his
this
guy's
goal
of
trying
to
he.
He
has
his
own
ideas
about
crafting
I,
think
a
a
payload
for
an
advanced
amateur
satellite
awesome,
I'm
thinking
about
it
for
a
while.
So
great.
So,
let's
see
how
that
goes.
Can't.
A
I'll
I'll
see
if
we
can
make
that
happen
it.
If,
if
it
doesn't
happen,
then
then
maybe
I
can
do
it.
You
know
the
following
week
or
whatever
it
takes.
Yeah
we're
oh
boy,
we're
going
to
full
blast
on
a
proposal
right
now.
That's
really
got
Gordon's
mind
fully
occupied,
but
I'll
tell
you
we're
doing
some
amazing
things.
We're
doing
all
digital
transponders.
I
mean
right
down
to
everything,
but
the
RFA
amplifier
I
mean.
A
C
A
It
it's
also
mind-boggling
and
I-
have
to
tell
you
the
most
scary
thing
about
any
of
this.
Quite
frankly,
Michelle
that
we
never
had
to
deal
with
in
the
past
was
the
rate
of
time
rate
of
change
of
technology.
In
other
words,
the
derivative
of
Technology
increase
has
gotten
so
steep,
so
positive
that
you
I,
don't
it's
not
possible
really
to
keep
up
with
it?
It's
not
I
I
would
imagine
it's
hard
for
some
young
people
to
keep
up
with
the
time
rate
of
change
of
these
Technologies.
B
This
has
led
to
this
is
true,
and
it's
not
just
for
space
Hardware,
but
this
seems
to
be
happening
all
over
anything
that
touches
Computing
and
that's
led
to
burnout.
People
get
overwhelmed
and
they
start
to
feel
like
they're,
no
good
at
engineering,
because
they
can't
keep
up
and
it's
no
one
can
keep
up
period.
But.
B
A
A
B
A
B
A
B
C
A
B
C
A
Yeah
right
even
on
this
project,
it's
it's
kind
of
preventing
me
from
being
able
to
say
what
I
could
advise
you
to
do
or
why
I
should
do
myself,
because
even
in
the
discussions
we've
had
I
think
the
change
in
all
transponder
concept
has
evolved
at
a
pace
where
I
can't
tell
what's
real
and
should
be
thought
of
as
something
we
can
actually
do
between
software
development
and
Hardware
developments.
Yeah.
B
A
B
B
B
So
so
I
think
we're
good.
We've
got
to
we've
got
a
good
handle
on
some
of
the
stuff.
Oh
adac,
no
idea
you
had
stuff
picked
out
this
proposal
that
looked
like
it
was
off
the
shelf,
and
we've
done
nothing
more
on
that.
Yet
so
attitude
control,
I'm,
hoping
that
it's
you
know
available
and
and
that
the
we
just
we
just
look
at
the
next
generation
of.
A
Whatever
is
available,
it
is
an
area
where
open
source
might
be
a
good
approach,
and
the
other
is
the
old
amset
idea
of
trying
to
get
a
donated
copy
of
something
like
a
star
tracker
or
some
Wheels,
because
people
want
to
fly
them
yeah.
In
other
words,
it
would
provide
credibility,
but
then
we
get
to
to
that
issue,
which
is
a
good
segue
into
it
I.
Basically,
that's
my
adac
idea
and
I've
got
some
people.
I
can
help
I
might
be
able
to
help
in
that
area
at
least
kick
start
things
yeah.
B
No
I
I
don't
have
no
I
haven't
and
maybe
I
should
have
been
all
this
all
along,
but
I
haven't
mainly
because
I'm
like
we,
we
do
r
d
so
like
that's.
Why
spending
time
trying
to
get
a
collaboration
with
amsat
North
America,
not
really
didn't,
really
work,
they.
They
want
us
to
just
go
away
and
think
we're
a
threat,
and
you
know
so.
No
that
didn't
work.
B
They've
they've
not
been
coming
up
with
launches
themselves,
so
they
don't
have
any
to
to
Really
share
with
us
and
they
don't
want
to
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
went
to
jam,
sat
and
said
collaborate
help
us
out
the
path
forward.
Yeah.
A
B
And
they
they
they
had
the
there's
a
multiple
examples
of
their
that
emergency
communications
plan
for
heos,
that
you
know
that
I've
seen
in
the
literature.
So
it's
that
I
mean
there's
stuff
there
to
at
least
build
on
her.
B
So
Libra
Space
Foundation,
we
are
a
very
friendly
relationship
with
them,
we're
a
signatory
to
the
Libra
space,
Manifesto
open
source.
All
the
way
and
Esa
may
include
us
in
some
of
their
stuff.
We
have
two
sounding
rocket
launches
coming
up,
so
we're
on
sounding
rockets
and
we
are
building
at
least
some
relationships
with
you
know,
because
you
have
to
fill
out
all
this
NASA
paperwork
and
it's
the
FAA
and
the
FCC
we're
making
progress
filling
out
all
this
stuff
and
understanding
how
to
do
it.
These
experiences
have
been
very
positive.
B
B
If
we
designed
something,
that's
really
amazing
that
that
we
will
be
able
to
to
get
a
launch
and
that
that
building
the
relationships
with
the
with
people
that
are
the
ones
that
are
the
organizations
that
are
supposed
to
be
helping
us
with
launches,
like
the
amsat
organizations
and
and
organizations
like
Libra
space,
that
building
a
collaboration
with
them
is
the
way
forward.
You
know,
if
we're
supposed
to
be
getting
a
launch
all
on
our
own.
We
need
a
lot
more
people,
we
really
do
and
we
need
people
that
are
very
familiar
with
this
process.
B
You
know
that
you
know
right
so
I
guess
so.
That's
kind
of
the
the
thumbnail
sketch
of
what
I've
been
up
to
rather.
A
Than
talk
about
it
now,
let
me
write
some
thoughts
down
because
the
but
I
I
have
lots
of
potentially
leads
and
ways
to
go.
Okay,
they
range
from
trying
to
see
if
we
could
Embrace
rocket
Labs,
because
Doug
Sinclair
is
on
their
board
and
a
major
contributor
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
Doug,
but
he's
a
Canadian
guy
that
I've
worked
with
for
years
and
amsat
really
helped
most.
The
Canadian
spacecraft,
most
and
Doug
was
on
the
most
team.
A
I
know
both
Doug
and
and
Kieran
Carol,
who
I
think
think
the
world
of
the
small
satellite
process
and
would
probably
be
willing
to
to
to
help
us
from
that
to
the
guys
who
took
over
I
can't
remember
the
name
right
now:
they're
the
they're
they're
going
to
be
launching
soon,
though,
and
and
they
have
access
to
to
the
launch
pad
slipped
to
us,
which
is
where
we
always
launch
from
almost
all
the
earlier
amsets
and
Oscars
were
launched
from
that
ad.
A
C
A
C
A
Ilana,
so
that
that's
always
still
available
in
principle,
although
you're
competing
with
all
the
universities
in
the
world,
yeah.
B
A
True,
but
in
terms
of
comp
payloads
we
can
participate,
we
can
can
compete,
we
can
say
well.
We
want
to
try
some
com
technology
ideas
that
nobody
else
can
actually
do
that
yeah.
So
if
you
think
of
that
as
a
as
a
niche,
yes.
B
Okay,
no
I'll
look
around
the
the
one
of
the
sounding
Rockets
that
we're
involved
with
is
with
through
the
University
of
Puerto
Rico.
So.
C
B
C
B
A
A
B
Yeah
no
I
think
we.
We
definitely
need
link
budgets
for
the
for
the
applications
that
we're
we're
doing
as
a
as
a
for
the
protocol
itself.
There,
there
isn't
one
right
now.
B
At
least
I
don't
think
there
is
no
there's
not
so
yeah
we
could.
We
could
use
some
help
there,
especially
because
since
we're
moving
forward
with
the
University
of
Puerto
Rico-
and
they
have
a
particular
frequency,
a
particular
application
and
and
we're
starting
to
look
at
particular
implementations.
The
very
next
thing
is:
is
a
solid
link
budget
for
them.
So
they're
already
asking
for.
A
It
okay,
so
that
would
be
good.
So
let
me
try
and
dig
into
that.
So
that's
kind
of
one
specific
analytical
thing
I
could
probably
do.
Let's
see
the
other
thing,
what
was
it
I
wanted
to
mention?
Oh
yeah
I
know
what
it
is.
Some
new
ideas
well,
the
old
way
we
would
test
a
payload
would
be
to
fly
down
a
balloon,
but
it
seems
to
me:
we've
got
extra
balloon
options:
the
guys
who
used
to
fly
balloons
a
lot
were
the
guys
that
were
in
the
Denver
area.
B
Can
see
if
that,
if
that's
still
the
same
person
there,
there
are
opportunities
in
there
and
there's
also
a
active
group
in
in
Texas
and
there's
some
some
groups
out
here
too
so
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
We
have
we.
A
C
B
He
is
volunteering
with
the
team
in
Estonia
that
reversed
engine
that
reversed
the
DJI,
some
of
the
DJI
protocols
and
and
stuff
and.
B
Big
constraint,
with
the
drones
that
we
found
out,
because
the
first
question
was:
can
our
downlink
protocol,
because
we
do
open
source
dbbs
too,
and
they
want
to
do
high
def
video
on
drones.
The
first
question
was:
can
it
work
and
the
latency
for
the
feedback
loop
from
from
the
person
with
the
the
goggles
trying
to
use
high
def
video?
You
know
to
to
drive
the
Drone.
The
some
concerns
the
latency.
So
what
the?
B
What
this
particular
you
know,
blob
of
people
have
done
is
something
pretty
interesting:
they've
taken
LTE
more
of
an
LTE
signal,
so
yeah
ofdm
and
really
Leverage
The
Throne
everything
else
out,
except
for
the
load,
latency
and
and
enough
bandwidth,
and
that
protocol
is
going
to
get
published
very
soon
and
they
intend
for
it
to
be
open
source.
Now
I
mentioned
LTE.
If
there's
anything
in
there
that
that
is
LTE,
then
you
have
a
IP
problem.
C
B
C
C
A
Things
one
of
the
big
problems
with
often
that
I'm
generally
aware
of
is
it,
creates
a
lot
of
spectral
fine
structure.
Let's
say
another
narrow,
narrow
little
chunks
that
are
kind
of
added
together
now
that
kind
of
signal
structure
is
usually
tends
to
be
quite
sensitive
to
Doppler.
So
the
real
question
is:
can
you
solve
the
Doppler
problems,
especially
in
millimeter
wave,
where
the
Doppler
is
megahertz
instead
of
kilohertz.
B
A
B
A
good
question
so.
B
Yes,
yes,
exactly
now,
so
there's
plenty
of
cool
technical
stuff
going
on
and
I'm
really
really
hoping
that
the
the
Drone
part
of
what
we
do
right
well,
very
soon,
get
published
and
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
actually
see
and
and
maybe
help
with
some
implementations-
and
you
know
they're
asking
for
help
with
RF
Hardware.
Of
course
everyone
everyone
is
like
we
talked
about
earlier
and
so
yeah.
There's
there's
plenty
of
this
neat
stuff
going
on.
You
know
and
a
lot
of
it's
gonna
work,
some
of
it
won't
and.
A
B
B
B
A
Well,
okay,
then,
in
that
group
of
drone
and
balloon
another
thought
is:
there
are
some
super
balloons
that
are
more
than
in
the
offing.
Now,
in
fact,
the
community
that
wants
to
fly
commercial,
high
altitude,
transponder
systems
for
commercial,
the
internet,
service
and
stuff
like
that,
must
be
by
now
reaching
some
level
of
maturity.
It's
a
market,
I've
I've
not
paid
any
attention
to,
but
those
guys
probably
are
launching
stuff
for
which
they
wouldn't
maybe
wouldn't
mind
having
a
piggyback
on
it.
A
Or
I'm
actually
looking
at
it
from
the
Spectrum
management
perspective.
First
of
all,
and
that
is
there's
now
spectrum
that
it's
been
allocated
to
a
service
that
seems
to
have
a
name,
an
acronym
like
h-e-p-a
or
HEPA,
or
some
name
similar
to
that
check
it
out
all
right.
Those
guys
have
Spectrum
now
millimeter
wave
spectrum,
that's
been
allocated
for
the
purpose,
I
think
of
mostly
internet,
but
maybe
iot,
and
maybe
other
high-speed
Digital
Services
yeah.
A
Commercial
Services
and
they've
been
been,
of
course,
held
back
a
lot
by
the
whole
technology
of
a
high
altitude,
stable
platform
that
that
isn't
that
easy
to
engineer
and
that
they've
been
trying
to
do
that
I
mean
the
proposals
have
been
around
I.
Remember,
Andy,
vitervi,
saying:
oh,
that
proposed
comes
around
every
10
years
or
so
I
I,
I,
yeah,
I
bet
pretty
soon.
A
It'll
be
real,
and
so
that's
Andy
bitter
be
telling
me
that
20
years
ago,
and
so
they
keep
trying
so
I
think
this
is
another
technology
area
where
there's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
fly
alternative
payloads
now
that
may
not
be
a
free
option,
but
it
might
be
a
longer
term
option.
In
other
words,
you
might
be
able
to
use
a
transponder
for
a
month
or
two
yeah.
A
B
For
today,
yeah
my
my
head's
full
I've
got
plenty
I've
written
everything
down
so
I'll.
Thank
you,
dear
I'll,
make
a
I'll
make
a
memo
you
know
and
and
we'll
go
for.
Okay
go
from
here
and
I'll,
set
aside
time
on
November
10th.
If
you
can,
if
you
can
meet
up
again,
then
I
think
that
we'll
be
able
to
to
move
things
forward.
So
thank
you.
A
This
is
action,
items
are
to
to
all
of
this.
All
sorts
yeah
did.
B
C
A
Okay,
very
good
and
let's,
let's
push
for
Success
here.