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A
Okay,
so
a
few
updates
and
I
also
wanted
to
since
Ruslan,
if
you're
on
on
board
today
I
don't
know
if
you've
been
following
the
ein
specification
for
Germany
for
open
source
may
I
know
if
you
know
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
but
maybe
you
can
feedback
on
that
ruslan
d.
Do
you
know
anything
about
that?
Have
you
been
following
that
motion
there.
C
A
Yeah
and
just
so
di
ends
specification
for
open-source
hardware
in
Germany.
That's
happening
right
now.
Yes,
is
the
idea
that
there
are
some
standards
that
are
put
into
the
German
standards
organization,
such
that
when
any
company
is
making
something
that
complies
with
such
standards.
They
can
put
ok
the
ein,
something
which
corresponds
to
the
open-source
hardware
specification,
which
gives
clarity
and
I
guess
clarity
as
far
as
the
requirements
that
something
follows
with
with
respect
to
its
openness,
so
is
that
is
that
the
general
idea
I.
B
B
D
A
A
Yes,
so
when,
when
that
process
goes
through
also
as
a
model
for
maybe
inserting
the
open-source
specifications
into
other
codes,
other
standards
organizations
on
an
international
level,
there
will
be
something
to
look
at
so
yeah.
We
can
get
a
report
later
on.
So
if
you
could
maybe
like
one
in
the
future
once
that
wraps
up
what
we
should
do
is
we
should
invite
I
think
it
was
Martin
who
was
heading
that,
and
you
should
have
him
report
on.
What's
what's
the
latest
and
greatest
on
that?
A
B
A
C
B
The
very
beginning
we
took
an
account
the
possibility
that
one
all
the
possible
use
of
open
source
hardware
is
for
commercial
purpose,
but
now
I
don't
know
the
topics.
I,
don't
know
the
status
now,
but
the
very
beginning,
I
made
some
comments
about
the
commercial
use,
which
is
one
of
their
problem
on
obstacles.
You
know
with
Creative
Commons
license.
A
A
All
right
that
sounds
good,
so
let's
I'll
continue
a
bit
here
then
with
us.
So
mein
updates
is
on
my
side
is,
can
say,
production
engineering
on
a
3d
printer.
So
let's
see
take
a
look
at
the
third
page
production
engineering.
A
Right
now,
a
very
specific
task
is:
how
do
you
open
source,
the
Production
Engineering
ie,
make
it
replicable
for
12
3d
printer
builds
in
a
single
day
in
the
framework
of
a
kit
operation,
so
saying
we're
gonna
ship
kits
like
if
you
want
to
start
a
business
shipping
kits.
What
exactly
do
you
need
to
do
to
make
that
happen
to
certain
quality
control
standards
in
the
rapid
tuckered?
So
that's
the
extreme
manufacturing
/
extreme
Enterprise
model.
A
Key
things
there
are
electronic
I
would
say
you
know,
one
is
mechanical.
The
other
one
is
electronic,
there's
tricks
and
even
on
each
side
on
the
mechanical
side,
there's
things
to
pay
attention
to
to
an
electronic
side.
It's
it's
more
about
parts
actually
functioning,
making
sure
that
when
you
put
them
all
together,
the
whole
system
works
because
there
might
be
faulty
parts
and
well
mechanical
things
are
typically
easier
to
fix
because
you
might
have
to
mechanically
do
some
operation
that
that
fixes
any
kind
of
issue
but
electronically
speaking.
A
If
the
part
is
bad,
it's
really
hard
to
diagnose
or
troubleshoot
it
or
fix
it.
You
typically
have
to
replace
it
just
plan
out,
replace
it,
but
all
those
tricks
are
to
be
had
in
this
production
engine.
You
can
take
a
click
at
the
link
of
what's
happening
as
I've
been
taking
a
pretty
detailed
notes
of
what
worked
and
what
didn't
on
on
the
latest
build,
and
what
I'm
gonna
do
right
now
is
for
one
test:
the
detail
print.
So
so
one
exotics
kind
of.
E
A
A
On
the
wiki
I'll
take
a
look
at
that.
That's
a
very
detailed
kind
of
a
print,
and
the
good
thing
is
that
these
calipers,
that
you
see
so
that's
this
a
plane
that
you
see
in
a
picture
have
been
printed
by
resin,
printing,
meaning
stereo,
stereo,
lithography,
meaning
resin
based
laser
should
set
it's
deemed
to
be
more
accurate
than
filament
3d
printing,
though
I've
been
reading
up.
On
that
end,
you
can,
if
you
get
your
printer,
really
good
and
a
print
with
a
point.
One
five
nozzle
now
0.15
is
super
tiny.
A
The
standard
is
0.4
millimeters.
What
you
can
get
similar
results
so
I
push
the
limits
of
what
we
can
do
with
our
printer
by
printing
out
these
calipers
and
observing
how
much
accuracy
do
I
get
actually
on
a
measurements
with
these
calipers.
So
this
guy
on
Thingiverse
got
the
accuracy
of
3d
printing
CalPERS
to
be
2.5.
Thousands
it's
under
a
hundred
microns
1000!
A
Well
1000,
it's
25
microns!
So
this
is
about
60
or
so
microns
accuracy
for
the
measurements
you
get
from
these
calipers.
So
that's
good!
So
you
can
see
on
a
picture.
So
that's
the
layout
with
a
print
I'm,
going
to
print
that
probably
today
and
see
how
how
well
these
work
and
possibly
go
so
so
using
point
four
millimeter
nozzle,
otherwise
go
to
small
balls.
A
I'll
keep
to
the
point
four
millimeter
since,
in
the
current
Titan
Herald
version,
the
wall
with
a
volcano
heater
block,
not
sure
they
make
volcano
nozzles
that
are,
that
small
I
think
the
smallest
volcano
nozzle.
You
can
get
a
point
four
millimeter,
so
I'll
see
what
we
can
do
with
that,
and
if
these
calipers
don't
work,
all
I
need
to
do
is
just
scale
the
print
size
up,
because
we
are
getting
into
some
very
fine
features
there,
fine
fine
teeth
on
those
wheels
and
all
the
parts
and
go
into
a
caliper.
A
A
A
Detect
any
kind
of
a
discrepancy
from
away
from
perfect
so,
but
how
do
you
quantify
all
that?
Something
about
that
and
pop,
and
what
I
plan
on
doing
is
actually
using
my
calipers,
my
3d
printed
calipers,
to
get
precise
measurements
on
the
prints
themselves
to
report
on
the
dimensional
accuracy?
Friends,
as
well
as
their
squareness
cos,
you
have
to
be
square,
have
to
make
make
sure
that
frame
is
aligned
and
square
when
you're
printing.
So
that's
that's
that
Jonathan
Jonathan
has
been
working
in
the
background
here.
A
So
he's
talking
about
the
manufacturing
execution
system,
he's
talking
about
looking
at
a
basically
conveyor
belt
for
part
printing
like
if
you
put
print
apart
and
it
could
slide
off
a
conveyor
belt.
Their
systems
like
that
are
open
source
and
is
just
drawn
up
a
concept.
A
That's
the
latest
where
he
is,
and
the
latest
report
on
the
golf
cart.
That's
where
we
are
at
right
now.
We
have
troubles
with
not
on
the
golf
cart.
It's
a
simple
thing:
simple,
hydraulic
power,
cube
golf
cart,
but
if
you
zoom
in
on
the
motors
there,
we
can't
find
the
couplers
for
the
particular
motors
that
we
have
so
that's
a
little
block.
We
have
and
we
stopped
and
solved
it.
There's
some
notes
on
open-source
golf
cart
page.
A
If
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
it
for
where
we
are
with
that,
but
it
was
impossible
to
find
these
tapered
one
inch,
shaft
couplers
for
these
motors
that
have
a
one-inch
tapered
shaft,
whereas
the
quarter-inch
is
common.
We
just
couldn't
find
one
in
shops
for
this.
So
that's
that's
bad,
and
here
just
last
comment
on
Production
Engineering
to
wrap
up
the
3d
printer
part.
I
was
thinking
about.
Okay,
when
you
ship
kits
the
welding
part
is
definitely
a
prohibitive
part.
A
lot
of
people
will
have
welders
worship
in
the
south.
A
So
what
do
you
do
so?
One
way
to
go
about?
It
is
use
corner
brackets,
so
3d
printed
corner
brackets,
so
six,
eight
of
them,
because
there
are
eight
corners
that
should
work
reasonably
well.
I'll
test
that,
out
with
a
brand
new,
saw,
build
another
printer
and
test
that
you
frame,
because
this
one
currently
here
that's
welded
and
it's
nice
and
strong.
Instead
of
really
good
quality
prints.
A
Let's
see
what
happens
when
you
do
the
the
corner
brackets
and-
and
we
have
an
advantage
there
in
that
the
carriage
the
axes
are
mounted
very
near
the
corners,
meaning
the
strongest
part
of
the
frame.
So
we'll
see
how
well
that
works,
and
if
it
doesn't,
we
might
go
to
plan
B,
which
the
plan
B
for
reinforcement
would
be
to
make
those
corner
brackets
larger
and
when
I
was
thinking
about
that.
Well,
when
we
have
a
larger
printers,
we
should
be
printing,
a
very
precise
plastic
frame.
A
A
Make
sure
you
get
enough
strength,
so
there's
well
bliss
frame
so
I'm
thinking
of
wire
box,
so
kind
of
like
tidying
up
with
a
3d
printer
right
now,
I
mean
it
looks
decent,
but
there
is
a
bunch
of
wires
going
to
the
wraps
and
I
do
want
a
criminal
to
keeping
everything
exposed
like
an
O
se
style,
meaning
that
you're
gonna
repair
it
yourself
or
repair
it
like
it's
easier
for
you
to
repair
it
and
actually
to
send
it
away
to
learning
parent
because
everything
is
transparent.
So
there's
advantages
and
disadvantages
of
that.
A
It
may
not
look
like
such
a
consumer
good,
but
I
think
we
need
to
stick
to
that,
because
if
we
value
lifetime
design
over
looks
then
we
would
have
the
structure
and
components
more
exposed.
So
I
think
that's
more
consistent
with
OSE
for
lifetime
designed
to
prioritize
that
over
looks
and
and
to
do
the
looks
you
can
still
do
new
features.
But
when
you,
when
you
work
on
making
the
thing,
look
pretty
don't
compromise
access
to
parts.
A
That's
that's
just
the
principle
we
want
to
use,
make
it
still
very
easy
to
access
and
fix,
don't
make
it
a
black
box
like
this.
You
know
lots
of
people,
do
that,
like
I
mean
just
from
personal
experience.
Take,
for
example,
the
lulzbot,
it's
a
highly
refined
printer,
but
the
printer
I
had
here,
I
need
to
replace
I
mean
some
fried
in
electronics.
It's
a
real
pain
to
open
everything
up
and
even
just
access
to
to
see
what
actually
went
wrong.
So
we
want.
A
Turnkey
to
fix
like
five
minutes
and
you
can
replace
swap
out
any
part
not
like
a
multiple
hour.
Job
like
it
would
be
standard.
So
so
the
wire
box
is
just
a
small
enclosure.
Next
to
the
controller
where
we
put
all
the
excess
wires.
So
any
of
that
hairball
that
that
you
have
to
wrap
up
in
a
neat
way.
Stick
it
all
in
there
don't
worry!
It
takes
a
little
time,
it's
all
hidden
from
view,
but
you
just
open
the
lid
and
everything
is
completely
accessible.
A
A
If
you
go
I,
explain
this
one
little
point,
but
it's
an
important
one
and
you
can't
really
see
it
in
the
cad
unless
you
have
a
really
sharp
eye
to
to
see
it,
but
it's
actually
right
there.
So
it
could
also
open
up
a
caddy.
But
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
the
cab
which
is
a
d3
1902,
so
that's
where
you
find
the
cab.
A
Oh,
the
wide
bracket
hits
the
edge
of
the
of
the
carriage
here.
So
when
the
carriage
moves
towards
the
end
stop
there's
a
place
where
you
can
get
friction
there
and
and
have
it
run
it's
it's
because
they're
like
right
next
to
each
other.
So
what
you
got
to
do
is
offset
away
this
bracket
amount.
You
get
it
off,
set
it
so
that
the
the
y-axis
here
is
just
a
little
bit
away
from
that
bracket
so
that
when
the
carriage
goes
in
there
it
doesn't
hit.
So
that
was
just
one
detail.
So
tell
you
those.
A
That
I
mean
sweet
today.
It
was
really
pleasing
to
see
that
the
high
quality
print
I'll
report
more
on
that
once
I
get
some
nice
pictures
of
detailed
prints.
So
some
of
the
things
in
production
engineering
like
just
to
know
performance
benchmarking.
This
there's
like
four
main
things
so
there's
motion,
speed,
there's
accuracy
of
the
print
there's
a
lining
of
the
entire
machine
and
then
extrusion
rate,
and
that's
where
we
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
the
proper
extrusion
rate
cause.
A
If
you're
gonna
talk
about
printing
big
items
like
chairs
and
desks
and
Wiggy
house
house
parts
made
of
plastic
wood
composites,
you
want
a
significant
extrusion
I.
The
current
state
of
art,
as
I
mentioned,
is
20
pounds
per
day
using
the
super
volcano
nozzle
from
III
D,
and
we
actually
want
to
do
that
with
multiple
nozzles
and
possibly
make
that
even
larger
to
more,
like
30
pounds
per
day
or
15
kilograms
per
day
or
so
and
really
push
that.
A
So,
if
you
have
multiple
nozzles,
you're
spitting
out
like
like
a
hundred
pounds
a
day,
so
that
means
you're
producing
some
massive
parts
and
people
are
gonna
say.
Oh,
that's
crazy!
That
gets
into
a
lot
of
you
know
why?
Don't
you
like
do
something
else,
because
that
takes
a
lot
of
energy
to
print?
Well,
not
really
because
you
got
scrap
plastic,
the
cost
of
the
filament,
the
cost
of
those
printed
parts
or
the
cost
of
electricity,
which
runs
you
like
10
cents
per
hour,
so
it's
actually
very
affordable.
A
If
you're
gonna
make
3
element,
the
filament
costs
you
about
10
cents
per
kilogram,
and
that's
that's
we've
seen
here
using
our
extruder.
We
we
can
press
out
a
roll
of
filament
in
about
two
hours,
which
is
do
keep
two
pounds,
one
kilogram
so
about
a
and
that
takes
like
200
watt
hours
or
so,
which
is
under
constant,
intense
and
it's
it's.
A
It
gets
affordable,
but
but
it
the
deal
is
if
you're,
using
the
plastic
that
you
buy,
that
cost
twenty
bucks
a
pound,
twenty
bucks,
a
kilo
rather
so
you're
going
from
twenty
bucks,
a
kilo
to
like
ten
cents,
a
kilo
when
you
make
your
own
plastic.
So
that's
one
that
makes
sense
to
make
young
plastic.
Okay
I!
Think!
That's
it
for
me!
Just
doing
I'm!
Just
continuing
on
on
the
3d
printer
and.
A
F
A
A
Well,
what
about
this
use
a
water
table,
so
water
table
is
basically
pool
of
water
under
the
the
work
they
say
the
sheet
of
metal
here
right,
so
two
water
table.
That's
what
it's
called
you
put
a
water
table
on
which
we
have
on
our
older
prototype
of
the
torch
table,
use
the
water
table.
Therefore,
the
model
does
not
warp
when
you
heat
it
up
and
cut
it.
So
that's
the
reason
for
a
water
table
that
metal
doesn't
warp
and
a
smoke
is
absorbed
into
the
water
and
stuff
like
that.
A
To
use
like
things
like
this
would
be:
what
is
it
ir
hide?
Sensors,
infrared
nope,
this
industry
standard
for
doing
height
control?
Is
it's
not
I
or
it's
like
you,
don't
want
to
do
anything.
That's
got
a
visible
light
or
near
visible,
because
there's
light
from
the
cutting
plane
and
there's
smoke
so
that
if
it's
a
visible
kind
of
a
detector,
it
won't
work
and
the
messy
conditions
of
leaves
ultrasound
typically
ultrasound
is
the
high-tech
industry
standard
for
torch,
height
control
and
other
people
use
capacitive
height
control.
A
Well,
what
if
you
means
are
same
probably
didn't
use
on
that
3d
printer,
which
we
already
have
haven't
just
probe
the
entire
sheet
of
metal
with
that
I,
don't
see
why
that
wouldn't
work,
and
then
under
the
assumption
that
the
metal
is
not
warping
while
you're
cutting,
so
that
could
be
an
easy
solution
and
a
prototype
will
be
forthcoming
and
I
want
to
get
it
going
as
soon
as
I
can?
Yes,
after
the
3d
printers
one
of
the
near-term
things
are
the
torch
table.
A
So
that's
one
very
easy
way
to
do
that,
and
hopefully
that
works.
Then
we
have
to
worry
about
ignition
and
gas
control,
but
that's
I
think
that's
conceptually.
That's
a
good
piece
of
progress
just
noticing
that
you
don't
need
to
probe
the
bed
real
time
under
thousand
degrees,
Celsius
conditions
of
metal-cutting
thousand
five
hundred
two
thousand
Celsius
and
smoke
and
heat,
and
all
that,
so
we
can
probe
the
bed
beforehand.
A
D
G
G
A
A
A
A
A
Yeah,
that's
in
my
inbox,
so
it's
in
my
draft
box,
so
I
just
hit
sent
on
that.
So
yeah
take
a
look
at
that
Facebook
pulse
yeah
I
mean
it
looks
good.
No
issues
with
the
test.
Next
task
would
be
to
get
some
magnets
and
and
actually
test
it.
So
I
get
it
out.
One
of
them.
Yeah
I
mean
the
way
it
feels
and
looks
it's
it's
big
enough
that
if
you
put
in
those
six
millimeter
magnets
and
I,
think
it
would
work
so
don't
see
a
problem.
A
G
A
G
You
know
it
they
right
there
I've
done
Sunday
almost
into
yeah
dinner
picture,
but
that's
fun.
I,
don't
like
really,
unfortunately,.
G
A
Yep
that
sounds
good,
so
yeah
we
can
start
getting
these
tested
and
great
if
you're
gonna
put
some
meaningful
structures
together
with
them.
G
A
Thank
you,
let's
see
Abe,
do
you
have
an
update.
D
F
Hi
I
sound,
okay,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,
yeah,
then
pretty
busy
trying
to
get
that
the
d3
be
working
so
so
for
good
prints.
A
A
A
It's
only
doing
the
extruder
heater,
but
that
will
I've
seen
that
in
one
case
like
so,
this
happened
once
I
just
started:
soldering
them
on
the
back.
But
for
me
right
now,
when
I
make
a
kit,
I
soldered
those
on
the
back
and
other
two
right
ones:
I
plug
in
to
the
okay
yeah
and
also
like
I,
don't
like
those
like
I
started
using
solid
core
wire
there,
because
the
stranded
wire
tends
to
break
off
after
you.
You
do
that
and
it's
kind
of
weak
sauce.
If
you
want.
A
That's
that's
what
I
would
recommend,
but
the
cool
thing
is
so
right
now
what
I'm
gonna
do
here?
I
have
I've
been
thinking
about
the
scalable
heater
block,
because
I
should
last
week
that
that
the
super
volcano
is
$150.
Just
for
the
heater
block,
I
mean
that's
how
much
you
can
get
a
cheap,
Chinese
printer
for
so
so.
A
Couple
of
volcano
blocks
use
a
super
volcano
nozzle
and
put
two
of
those
blocks
on
a
super
volcano
nozzle.
The
nozzle
itself
cost
like
thirteen
dollars.
It's
a
long
one.
It's
about
forty
or
fifty
about
fifty
millimeters
long.
For
that
threaded
part,
you
can
thread
on
two
feet
of
blocks
on
it.
So
I'm
gonna
try
that
here
and
there
for,
for
like
five
bucks,
you
can
have
the
equivalent
performance
of
$150
heater
block
because
they
just
don't
make
a
lot
of
them,
and
the
thing
is
when
you,
when
you
buy
larger
parts,
larger
dedicated.
A
D
D
F
Yes,
sir,
after
seven
expo
in
two
weeks,
so
it's
been
a
good
deadline
to
can
you
work
on
it,
they're
working?
What
is
to
make
sure
now
the
MSU
Expo
okay
get
up
so
I'm
thinking
all
the
way
how
to
move
from
printer
around
and
looking
at
getting
just
boxed
carrying
around
them,
but
yeah
just
trying
to
reinforce
everything
so
that
I'm
making
trap.
Oh
yeah,
yeah.
C
F
And
then
kind
of
stuff-
that's
more
like
just
so
that
the
peer
to
peer
plasmid
I
have
a
another
page
on
the
wiki
kind
of
just
talking
about
my
attic,
but
I
make
the
confident
DNA
market
likes
on
a
blockchain,
so
they've
been
having
a
blockchain
about
here
this
week
and
we're
gonna
discuss
some
some
different
ideas:
it's
not
explicitly
open-source
but
see
if
I
and
when
it's
interested
in
developing
marketer
idea,
which
we
try
to
keep
open
source
and
then
yeah
I
think
I'm
gonna
take
the
printer
around
this
this
summer
to
actual
events
because
voice
so
pretty
page
off
on
that
yeah.
A
A
C
A
Okay
looks
like
Abe
is
working
on
connectors
for
the
plastic
version,
things
like
of
the
3d
printer
with
inserts
ones
that
insert
into
a
PVC
pipe
that
go
around
the
PVC
pipe
about
that
go
inside.
So
that's
that's
interesting.
Okay,.
A
Well,
I
think
that's
that's
about
it
for
now,
then,
if
we've
gone
through
everybody's
report,
so
yeah
I
think
we
can
leave
it
here
and
I
want
to
get
my
that
printer,
like
the
production
engineering
part
really
ready
for
shipping.
So
we
can
offer
kids
on
a
regular
basis
and
just
have
that
as
a
product.
That's
that's
there
in
the
background,
as
I
continue
on
the
book
and
I'm
getting
ready
for
the
next
massive
flurry
of
development.
Yeah
I
think
that
the
book
is
going
to
be
very
important
for
that.
So,
but.
A
A
So
we'll
continue
doing
out
that's
meeting
with
my
mentor
on
that
on
basically
marketing
mentor,
so
we're
really
discussing
the
business
strategies
behind
how
that
could
happen.
So
they'll
take
a
few
months
of
development,
otherwise
moving
forward
I'm
getting
printer
out
as
kits
they're,
ready
for
others
to
build.
A
That's
gonna,
be
that's
gonna,
be
a
long-term
project.
That's
it's
more
on
a
one-year
time
scale.
So
it's
really
about
communicating
our
learnings,
including,
like
all
the
learnings,
about
design
principles
like
the
design
guides
of
how
we
design
all
the
different
things,
because
because
in
house
we've
had
experience
on
everything
from
housing
to
agriculture,
to
3d
printers
torch
tables,
I
mean
there's
all
your
utility
systems
for
housing
house,
construction
itself,
there's
some
some
electronics
microcontroller.
A
So
there's
and
there's
a
lot
of
techniques
that
once
you
get
a
handle
on
enough
of
that,
you
can
be
be
decent,
that
that's
starting
to
to
work
on
new
designs.
I
think
that's
really
critical
to
to
get
people
around
some
of
the
basic
tool
sets
and
skill
sets
around
distributed
manufacturing.
So
that's
that's
a
definite
promiseland.
It
hasn't
been
delivered
yet,
like
you
know,
there's
been
the
talk
of
amazing
power,
of
distributed
production
with
3d
printers
and
everything
else.
A
It's
kind
of
emerging,
slowly
and
surely,
but
believe
it
or
not,
I
mean
not
too
much.
Open-Source
activity
is
going
on
so
that
so
we
really
need
to
help
that
along
and
I
think
communicating
all
this.
The
design
knowledge
will
be
part
of
the
book.
So
it's
like
on
one
side:
it's
the
big
perspective
up
about
okay,
what
are
some
pressing
world
issues
and
then
how
does
the
solution
of
ending
artificial
scarcity
or
making
production
abundant
and
plentiful
for
everybody
and
accessible
to
everybody
as
a
core
of
a
sound
economy
like
how
do
you?
A
How
do
you
do
all
that,
so
the
book
will
be
positioned
more
like
it's
like
a
action
guys,
it's
like
it
would
really
be
not
for
people
who
want
to
just
read
it
and
feel
good
or
like
get
inspired
by
it,
but
but
really
more
about
the
people
who
are
gonna,
be
doing
that
and
taking
on
these
skills
to
do
this
so
cuz
there's
different
ways
to
do
it.
A
You
can
do
up
a
book
where
it's
like,
oh
yeah,
you
can
tell
the
big
story,
but
really
if
people
know
tools
to
do
anything
about
it.
Well,
here
it's
it's
really
everything
about
providing
the
tools
to
get
people
involved
and
there's
so
much,
and
it's
really
about
educating
a
lot
of
people,
but
you
have
to
put
that
all
together,
it's
gonna,
take
a
bit
of
time
and
and
in
the
process.
A
I
also
want
to
interview
a
lot
of
different
people
leading
leading
experts
in
cutting-edge
work
and
all
kinds
of
open
source
and
related
material
like
from
Wikipedia
to
other
hardware
projects,
everything
else
where
we
learn
you
know
truly
try
to
build
upon.
What's
what's
been
discovered
already
to
take
it
to
the
next
step,
what
open,
hard-working
because
I
mean
right
now,
yeah,
it's
just
not
happening
like
open
hardware,
I
could
say
no
from
being
in
it
over
the
last
decade.
A
It's
just
not
happening
like
I
would
say
like
10
years
ago,
maybe
2012
or
so
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
hustle
and
bustle
around.
It.
I
think
it's
kind
of
died
off
in
many
different
ways
it's
alive,
but
it's
not.
It
certainly
hasn't
delivered
to
kind
of
promise.
It
could
so
I
definitely
want
to
make
a
contribution
to
to
a
solid
effort
on
that
on
that
face
and
speaking
of
which
Dave
Hawkins
who's,
one
of
the
good
open-source
warriors
out
there
I'm
precious
blast
that
he
did
this.
A
D
A
With
that
so
I'm
gonna
paste
that
in
the
chat,
chat
box,
cuz
that's
inspiring
work,
I
think
Dave
is
on
track,
he's
always
talking
open-source,
whereas
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
people
I
go
by
the
wayside,
including
just
an
email.
Today
you
know
the
open-source
beehives
guys
so
Aaron,
who
was
here
a
long
time
ago.
He
told
me
that
all
from
now
on,
all
their
stuff
is
gonna
be
proprietary.
You
know
it
happens
all
the
time
when
it
wants
somebody,
it's
just
the
reality.
A
It's
kind
of
a
sad
thing,
but
there's
everyone's
going
under
in
an
open-source
world
like
it's,
it's
not
taking
off,
so
we
definitely
gotta
do
something
about
it,
but
it's
alive.
It's
gonna
happen,
but
I
I
think
we're
still
somewhat
in
a
Dark
Ages
of
hardware
and
for
the
reason
like
just
to
go
historically
back
just
to
wrap
up
on
this.
The
way
open
software
was
different
is
that
open
software
started
with
open
culture.
People
who
started.
D
A
New
open
source,
and
then
it
became
proprietary.
Now
it's
open
source
is
the
default
industry
standard,
whereas
for
hardware
we
have
200
years
of
industrial
nurse',
200
years
of
patents,
it
started
very
proprietary
and
still
very
proprietary,
and
nobody
can
think
that
it
can
be
otherwise
and
that's
one
of
the
big
challenges
for
open
hardware
right
now,
which,
if
you
kind
of
like
look
at
the
history,
I've
talked
to
several
people
about
that,
and
that
seems
to
be
the
consensus
that
it's
that
it's
a
historical
kind
of
a
cultural
evolution.
A
It's
like
open
hardware,
no,
it's
not
in
consciousness
because
of
200
years
of
history,
and
that's
that's
what
we're
working
against
right
now
and
it's
definitely
like
I,
see
it
and
how
a
lot
of
people
approached
me,
but
I
mean
very.
Very
few.
People
are
really
get
the
get
dependence
and
see
the
promise
of
it.
So
yeah,
it's
we're
still
kind
of
a
stone
age
of
hardware,
whereas
it's
completely
opposite
on
software,
though
in
software.
A
At
this
point,
it's
like
you,
don't
need
the
ethics,
even
because
it's
just
practical,
you
know
so
software
in
some
way
kind
of
missed
the
ethical
rut
for
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people.
Software
you
go
open-source
because
it
just
makes
a
business
sense
and
you're
crazy.
If
you
don't
do
it
because
other
people
are
gonna,
have
better
software
than
you,
if
you
don't
contribute
to
open
source
projects,
if
you
try
to
do
it
on
your
own
here,
it's
too
expensive,
but
for
hardware.
Yeah
people
have
a
hard
time
wrapping
their
mind
around
that.
A
So
there's
the
ethical
ethical
part,
I,
don't
know
how
is
open.
Hardware
gonna
turn
out
any,
hopefully
that
we
have
a
revolution
and
how
people
treat
it
ethically,
but
but
it
could
also
turn
out
that,
like
software,
where
it's
just
a
practical
thing,
so
for
a
lot
of
people,
it
might
be
practical,
but
I
hope
that
enough
of
the
effort
around
open
hardware,
it
changes
people's
lives
in
such
a
fundamental
way
that
the
ethics
of
open
collaboration
actually
become
very
transparent
to
everybody.
A
So
well
we'll
see
how
it
goes,
but
definitely
you
know
where
we
stand
and,
and
part
of
that
is
like
Debian-
has
the
Debian
social
contract?
That's
one
of
those
seminal
open-source
projects
and
software
Debian
is
I'm.
Gonna
write
that
contract
for
all
sc2,
it's
kind
of
like
implicit
in
what
we
do
and
on
the
wiki,
but
you
know
right.
Okay,
this
is
our
contract.
A
This
is
this
is
a
little
promising
to
the
world,
and
that
is
to
be
absolutely
open-source
and
that's
how
you
can
that's
the
only
way
you
can
end
the
military
economy
by
by
being
collaborative
so
I'm
gonna.
Make
that
all
that
explicit
and
it's
part
of
that
messaging-
that
has
to
get
out
there
for
people
to
pick
up
a
new
way
of
thinking.