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A
It's
not
what
I
would
call
a
distributive
enterprise
like
buy
like
it
doesn't
have
an
explicit
focus
to
train
others
it
in
a
Buhl's
it
by
open
documentation
which
is
really
cool,
but
for
us
it
I
think
it's
a
very
unique
thing
that
if
a
few
people
did
that
worldwide
I
mean
I
think
the
world
could
be
a
different
place
with
the
distributive
enterprise.
So
if
we
can
show
the
3d
printer
and
then
deriving
from
that,
naturally,
the
open
source
everything
store.
A
The
fact
that
3d
printers
and
other
basic
small
micro
factories
are
producing
a
lot
of
the
economic
output
that
now
comes
from
centralized
sources
and
right
now,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
jobs,
right
people
being
out
of
work
and
I.
Think
if
we
think
about
it
there
there
is
there's
potential
impact
there
like
if
we
can
actually
contribute
to
that.
B
A
B
C
B
For
how
to
do
things,
for
example,
simplifications
and
such
and
also
I'm
thinking
not
only
about
the
first
four
days,
look
like
the
other
day,
five
and
a
season
day,
seven
to
ten
nine
there's
a
lot
of
bullet
points
for
what
to
including
these
things
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
has
been
structured
before
or
if
it's
something
which.
A
A
Like
that,
we
had
really
slow
internet
and
it
took
us
forever
to
get
the
image
down,
which
you
know
things
like
that,
so
we
didn't
get
far
on
it
at
all,
but
it
it's,
it
should
be
a
coordinated
thing.
Well,
I
mean
coordinated,
I
mean
coordinated
at
the
same
time
that
it's
experimental
and
we're
developing
doing
a
real
development
work.
So
we
don't
have
a
good
model
for
how
exactly
that
looks
outside
of
okay.
It's
like
a
hackathon
like
a
almost
like
a
startup
camp
concept.
A
The
more
people
there
are,
the
more
different
tasks
can
be
done
and
I
think.
The
best
thing
we
can
do
is
to
prepare
a
collaboration
architecture
so
perhaps
draw
up
a
document.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
I've,
been
you
know,
putting
up
all
these
pages
in
collaboration
architecture
like,
for
example,
collaboration,
architecture,
log,
you've,
probably
seen,
but
the
idea
is
you
have
to
the
best
thing
we
can
do.
A
The
idea
is
that
that
people
want
to
understand.
We
want
to
teach
people,
you
want
to
teach
people
what
it
means
to
to
work
together
across
many
many
roles,
so
part
of
it
is
just
expanding
as
one's
one's
knowledge
of
on
one
side,
there's
techniques
we
can
do
to
break
down
projects
along
module
based
design.
On
the
other
hand,
we
can
break
apply
that
same
technique,
technique
of
product
development.
To
that,
like
the
team
development,
here's
the
team
that
can
do
all
these
things
like.
A
If
we
have
marketing
people
or
graphics
people,
they
can
produce
an
infographic.
If
we've
got
a
programmer
on
that
in
that
session,
they
can
do
like,
say
it's.
If
it's
the
Raspberry
Pi
tablet,
they
can
look
into
the
new
operating
system
or
even
drawing
an
operating
system
up
from
scratch.
If
it's
the
filament
member,
they
could
be
doing
the
code
for
the
Arduino.
A
Like
there's
many
many
roles
like
you
can
literally
come
up
with
like
a
hundred
roles
or
a
few
hundred
roles,
and
everybody
could
work
meaningfully
as
long
as
they
understand
that
the
collaboration
architecture
works
like
that.
You
can
that
you
can
involve
all
the
people
and
first
by
breaking
down
all
the
tasks
along
the
product
development
methodology
and
then
the
whole
thing
across
the
team
and
breaking
down
the
team
into
many
different
acts.
A
So,
basically,
like
the
scrum
ease
the
task
allocation,
the
modular
breakdowns
of
products,
those
are
all
relevant
for
making
a
super
complex
task
into
bite-sized
chunks
and
then
there's
the
test-driven
design
part
the
rapid
prototyping
that
you
can
test
things
readily.
To
give
you
an
example,
and
that
and
that's
like
so
many
people
can
be
doing-
that
rapid
tests,
paper
models
out,
CAD,
CAD,
designs,
calculations,
that's
all
test-driven
design.
We
we
design
a
test
for
something
like
give
you
an
example.
Yesterday
I
did
this,
so
we
do
want
to
build
a
pellet
stove.
A
At
one
point.
It's
part
of
the
energy
thing
like
it's
integrated
with,
like
all
this
energy
infrastructure
for
a
house,
but
yesterday
I
was
I,
had
a
heat
gun
out
there
and
it's
like
oh,
this
thing
is
hot
I
put
it
onto
a
piece
of
cardboard
and
it
caught
fire
in
ten
seconds.
Well,
that's
a
good
test-driven
designed
for
an
igniter
for
a
pellet
stove,
so
I
actually
duct
you
like
when
it
went
out
of
my
way
to
actually
document
it
say
hey.
This
is
a
in
ten
seconds.
A
A
How
do
we
coordinate
people
well
to
do
that,
so
there
has
to
be
good
documentation
happening
some
modular
documentation
that
we're
coordinating,
because
it's
really
I
mean
this
whole
game
of
the
steam
camp
is
and
like
all
that
we
do
here
it's
about.
How
do
you
get
effort
like
people
are
going
all
these
random
directions?
But
if
you
can
coordinate
that
effort
to
a
very
tangible
and
explicit
goal,
I
mean
you
can
do
wonders
and
magic
and
you
can
change
the
economy.
A
I
mean
that's
our
premise
and
for
which
reason
like,
if
you
can
get
that
infrastructure
of
how
to
do
that,
that
process
of
how
to
do
that,
like
we
could
solve
that
GVCS
thingy
in
a
matter
of
months
to
a
year
and
that's
actually
what
I,
what
I?
What
I
thought
like
back
in
2011's,
like
oh
yeah,
look,
we
can
know
2011
2012
2013
at
that
time.
I
was
saying:
oh
yeah,
we're
gonna,
give
this
thing
done
in
like
a
year
or
two
and
then.
C
A
Course
you
learn
more
that,
but
it's
there's
a
lot,
that's
needed
for
that,
but
the
basic
premise
that's
needed
is
if
you
can
coordinate
in
an
organized
way.
Yes,
you
absolutely
can
do
this.
Yes,
it's
quite
doable,
but
it
requires
organization
and
one
and
after
and
2020
I'm
saying
well,
it's
not
really
all
those
tools
that
are
the
super
critical
thing.
It's
actually
the
mindset
of
people,
because
we've
been
so
brainwashed
into
a
certain
way
of
thinking
of
or
developing
that
that's
one
of
the
big
things
we're
actually
struggling
against,
which
is
Myra.
A
B
So,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
text
on
the
wiki
regarding
this
collaboration
and
and
also
some
description
on,
though,
you
have
a
lot
of
bullet
points
for
four
day:
seven
and
nine
and
forensics
also,
but
it
does
add
some
thoughts
in
that
case.
It's
maybe
it
would
be
good
to
kind
of
distill
I
tried
to
distill
some,
it's
I
think
it's
important
and
another
goal.
B
What
you're
saying
is
that
if
I
really
think
it
is
based
on
what
you're
saying
is
that
if
we
define
the
most
important
lessons
and
have
all
of
those
in
place,
so
we
have
all
of
the
perspective
so
if
they
wouldn't
be,
if
we
wouldn't
get
a
diverse
team,
let's
say
we
only
get
the
programmers
for
some
reason.
Then
we
still
have
the
curriculum
to
go
through
all
of
the
skills
so
that
they
can
set
up
their
own
company.
B
However,
if
they
would
be
diversity
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
split
team
up
to
two
different
modules
so
and
so
that
we
have
one
curriculum
which
we
can
go
through
in
case
there's
only
generalists
and
then,
if
they're
specialists
we
can
starts
to
kind
of
and
go
into
different
streams
or
less.
Of
course,
we
have
to
start,
which
is
screaming
how
to
do
streaming.
In
that
case,.
B
That
would
be
one
theoretical
point
of
doing
and
I
think
like
starting,
for
example,
with
a
sway.
We
have
design
thinking
in
the
marketing
routine
side,
with
some
design.
Thinking
and
I
talked
with
one
day
who
want
to
be
an
instructor
earlier
during
summer
before
it
could
be
19,
so
she
can
help,
probably
with
with
module
and
design
thinking
and
I,
can
adapt
for
affiliate
products
and
basically
combine
what's
important
to
get
the
job
done.
And
then
then
we
have
to
tweak
it
based
on
the
team
in
place.
Yeah.
A
And
then,
if
there's
a
remote
participation
option
like
okay
yeah,
there
has
to
be
a
a
core
curriculum,
so
say:
whoever
shows
up.
We
still
publish
and
blast
on
an
Internet
our
latest
thoughts
on.
How
do
you
do
this
collaborative
design
which
will
be
recorded
for
the
remote
sessions
and
also
recorded
for
people
to
see
afterwards
so
so
cover
like
through
all
the
camps?
The
goal
is
yeah.
It
is
about
starting
open
source
product
development
as
a
mainstream
abow
methodology
for
developing
products.
A
B
A
B
A
Ontology,
okay,
I
pasted,
erlangs
Ackman
ontology,
that's
actually!
This
comes
from
I
first
heard
about
it
from
the
guy
who
did
the
Velo
car.
If
you
remember
jana
shetty
for
him
a
few
years
ago,
he
didn't
he
was
working
on
this
open-source
super
efficient
electric
car.
We
had
a
little
workshop
here
to
do
that,
but
he
brought
that
up.
That's
I
think
it's
a
great
topic,
great
concept,
to
be
aware
of
it's
basically
how
you
you
view
a
problem
from
different
perspectives.
C
A
It
as
an
engineer,
an
architect
and
artist,
a
businessman,
and
that
requires
different
like
the
way
different
assets
that
you
bring
into
that
picture,
but
all
together,
the
entire
project
has
all
those
views
in
one.
That's
why
I
like
it,
it's
a
framework
framework,
how
we,
how
you
analyze
the
problem
or
how
you
represent
the
problem,
yeah
take
a
look
at
that.
That's
I
think
that's
useful!
That's
a
pretty
advanced
concept,
I
think
that's
kind
of
some
of
the
cutting
out.
If
you
look
at
like
let's
see
on
Wikipedia,
it's
does
it
say
anything.
A
If
we
talk
about
like
UML
diagrams
Universal
markup
language
yeah,
this
is
where,
if
you,
if
you
understand
these
theoretical
frameworks-
and
these
other
paradigms,
you
can
talk
about
artificial
intelligence
injection
into
the
whole
problem,
so
you
can
like,
with
the
module
based
approach,
you
can
start
talking
about
getting
processes
that
then
can
be
automated
anyway.
It's.
D
B
A
B
A
B
A
B
A
C
B
A
A
It's
an
embedded
Facebook
post
in
there,
but
yeah
the
March
one
yeah.
We
did
that
so
yeah
that
works
right
now,
so
we
can
do
things
like
CNC
holes.
We
can
do
the
pen
plotting
yeah.
Now
the
the
pen
plotter
thing
like
somebody
made
a
mod
where
we're
attaching
that
we
have
an
attachment
right
now
to
the
actual
3d
printer
head.
So
we
can.
We
don't
even
have
to
take
the
tool
head
off.
A
You
just
put
a
pen
in
there
and
it
uses
the
sensor
the
height
sensor,
to
get
the
height
leveling
so
that
that
can
work
haven't
done
it
the
Europeans
guys
European
guys
have
done
it.
Not
sure
I
think
that
works
right
now,
I'm,
not
sure.
If
there's
any
issues
like
about
a
like
a
little
spring
being
needed
in
there.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
anything
about
that
Jessica,
but
I
think
it
works
out
of
the
box
where
you
just
put
in
a
pen
and
instead
of
running
the
printer,
you
run
the
pad.
C
Fun
with
it
her
head
is
on
what's-his-name
log
in
Texas,
Dawn's
log.
He
just
attached
the
pen
to
the
rest
of
the
head.
It
doesn't
have
the
drill,
though
those
the
European
guys
think
that
picture
you
saw
they
did.
They
did
that
with
the
drill
and
the
panning
up
both
to
work
yeah.
That
would
be
the
thing.
I
think
it's
you
have
to
separate.
You
have
to
take
the
other
one
off.
I,
don't
think
you
could
attach
all
of
that
to
the
printing.
C
C
A
C
This
is
the
one
that
there's
a
video
of
them
working
already
with
us,
like
it's
drilling,
I,
think
they're,
doing
something
weird
like
holding
it
in
their
hands
other
than
having
a
clamp
to
the
board,
but
I
mean
it
definitely
would
work
this
stuff.
The
pieces
are
all
here,
yeah,
so
I'm,
trying
to
print
that
thing
now
and
it
should
work
it
just
I
just
had
a
wiring
thing
come
on
plug,
but
I
think
I
can
think
it'll
come
out
properly.
Now
so
I'll
finish,
I
can
go
through.
That's
those
steps
and
document.
C
At
my
thoroughly
I
mean
one
thing
that
my
question:
I
guys
are
listening
to
this
I'm,
just
sort
of
assuming
that
I
guess
I
hope
you
imagine.
This
happening
live
somehow
still
like
there's
still
like
live
webinar
presentations
that
are
recorded
and
then
made
accessible
or
is
everything
or
many
pieces
pre-organized
like
reorganized.
A
A
This
is
so
so
remember
my
discussion
about
the
collaborative
video
edits
stuff
like
with
kdenlive.
That's
why
we
want
to
learn
as
a
team
to
do
the
collaborative
editing
so
that
when
we
do
this
video,
it's
not
outdated
next
month,
because
we
already
got
new
stuff.
So
that's
where
we
can
download
the
source
and
then
redo
the
video
just
a
little
clip
of
it
or
whatever,
but
maybe
like
the
best
approaches.
C
A
A
A
C
B
A
Let
me
let
me
show,
but
a
basic
idea:
there
is
I
mean
it's
worth.
Bringing
up
I
mean
we're
I
mean
eventually
we
want
to
get
this
like
soon.
So
take
a
look
at
that,
but
basically
you
do
at
kdenlive
file.
What
came
live.
The
way
kdenlive
works
is
you
have
a
folder
with
all
the
videos
and
images
for
the
videos?
A
C
A
To
youtube
and
then
the
first
step
before
you
start
the
edit
files,
you
you
go
to
the
the
list
of
links
with
all
the
videos,
just
download
them
all
into
your
folder
and
then
you're,
then
you're,
editing
from
the
same
source
files
and
then
a
project.
Like
so
say
you
download
that
you
have
the
kdenlive
file.
You've
got
all
the
other
files.
Another
person
Jessica
can
then
download
that
kdenlive
file
and
download
all
the
links
of
the
other
videos
and
assets,
and
she
can
edit
the
same
video.
So
that's
that's
the
essential
idea.
A
It's
just
about
having
the
assets
and
assets
are
stored,
best
on
a
place
like
YouTube,
which
is
large
and
free
at
this
point,
but
I
mean,
of
course
we
can
that
that's
a
workflow.
We
can
develop
like
right.
Now,
it's
doable
right
now
with
just
like
a
wiki
template.
You
could
create
a
wiki
pick
template
where
we
kind
of
help
guide
people
through
that
process.
B
A
That
is
I
mean
so
so
look
at
this.
So
the
for
clarity,
the
concept
is:
we've
got
this
CNC
axis
of
three
dimensions:
X
Y
Z
and
we
put
all
kinds
of
heads
on
it.
One
is
the
first
one
is
the
3d
printer
which
allows
us
to
print
to
other
things,
but
then
you
just
replace
that
with
a
plotter
with
a
drill
with
other
things
like
a
like,
for
example,
a
vinyl
cutter
or
a
little
laser
cutter.
Those
are
two
other
things
we
haven't
touched
that
and
it's
like
I
think
some
some
time.
A
A
C
A
C
Lovely,
oh
I,
don't
know
vinyl
or
whatever.
This
mice
is
my
my
box
Ozzie
with
the
with
the
Raspberry
Pi
it's
in
a
box.
This
is
a
found
box,
but
it
could
just
as
quickly
be
a
you
know
made.
You
know
you
draw
the
plan
for
the
box
and
built
you
just
didn't
be
like
to
see
you
be
like
Boop
there's
and
you
can
modify
it
more
easily.
That's
so
I
thought.
A
A
Said
is
an
exact
prototyping
chain
that
we
want
to
develop
for
the
big
machines
too,
which
is
say
we're
cutting
out
a
tractor.
Well,
let's
get
out
some
cardboard
and
cut
it,
because
we
cut
stuff
from
flat
steel
to
MIT
and
then
weld
it
into
3d
shapes.
So
you
cut
it
from
cardboard.
You
you
$1
to
prototype
a
tractor.
A
A
A
A
So
you,
so
you
go
from
imagination
to
to
the
plot,
like
that's
very
useful,
but
it
does
require
a
skill
set
and
it's
all
like
really
not
accessible
until
someone
does
a
really
good
job
documenting
all
of
it
so
there's
pieces
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
we're
trying
to
streamline
that
so
that
you
can
really
effectively
do
plots
of
any
kind,
including
circuit
plots.
So
that
means
going
from
kicad
and
exporting
that,
so
you
can
actually
draw
it
for
a
circuit
that
then
can
be
etched.
A
B
A
A
C
A
B
A
Nothing
hold
on
a
second
that
the
Inkscape
thing
that
may
be
on
day
two
right.
If
we
did
the
plotter,
we
want
to
use
it
because
the
plotter
is
like
a
quick.
You
know
it's
a
simple
attachment
that
you
can
attach,
but
then,
when
you
built
it
like,
you
do
want
to
see
the
fruits
of
it.
So
probably
get
that
lesson
in
there
and
they
too,
if
possible,
yeah.
A
C
A
C
B
C
Going
through
something
else,
andreas
about
that
curriculum
so
like
the
plotting
pen
and
drill,
so
first
you'd
run
through
the
thing
with
Inkscape,
showing
how
you
take
a
sticker
or
a
you
know,
writing
thing
and
make
the
make
the
print
or
make
that
mark
right.
And
then
you
could
do
the
same
thing
with
the
kick
at
the
kicad
stuff.
The
next
step
would
be
make
it
draw
that
with
the
permanent
marker
or
draw
your
circuit
and
drill
it,
and
then
you
know,
do
the
etching
we
did
this.
C
We
did
this
a
hand-drawn
version
in
January,
so
that
whole
process
would
be
part
of
the
printed
different
tool
head
type.
You
know
process
all
that
well,
I,
think
it'll
come
together.
More
clearly
than
I
might
feel
at
this
moment,
and
then
I
can
just
try
to
build
it
out
that
way.
That
gets
one
sequence
that
you
go
from
slaughter
with.
Just
like
some
image:
that's
a
sticker.
C
Sorry
yeah,
so
you
go
from
plotting
a
sticker
to
plotting
a
circuit,
drawing
the
circuit
with
the
permanent
marker,
because
then
you
can
etch
it
right.
It'll
it'll
leave
that
to
do
the
etching
through
the
permanent
circuit,
drawing
with
the
marker
and
drill
it
with
the
drill
on
the
printer.
We
did
this
all
manually
in
January
in
Texas,
so
that
would
all
be
done
with
this
tool
had
attachment.
Are.
C
I
can
always
see
sticker
in
March
I
had
one
that
was
ready.
That
was
a
hand
drawing
actually
it
was
like
a
poem
that
was
like
handwritten
and
I
was
just
gonna
make
the
Machine
like
draw.
My
writing.
You
know
make
it.
You
know,
look
human
sort
of,
but
anyway
so
yeah
it
could
be
kind
of
fun.
It's
just
like
hot.
What
type
of
image
do
you
need
Oh?
What
type
of
image
do
you
need.
B
C
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
the
circuit
that
we
of
interest
was
the
was
the
Arduino.
Now,
how
does
that
fit
with
the
minimalist
Arduino?
There
may
be
two
routes.
One
is
the
super
super
simple
thing
where
you
just
solder
components
directly
onto
a
chip
but
but
a
chip
in
a
socket.
So
you
don't
you
can
take
the
chip
out.
So
the
idea
there
is
you
do
a
trip
and
with
only
like
a
few
components,
you
make
a
working
Arduino
and
idea.
Is
that
you
program
it?
A
You
still
have
to
program
it
that
that
minimalist
chip,
minimalist
design,
doesn't
have
the
infrastructure
where
you
actually
can
program
it
like
a
thread:
USB
port,
it's
not
in
there
too
much.
So
we
just
take
out
the
chip
and
put
into
working
Arduino
and
program
it
through
a
USB
port
of
a
working
Arduino,
but
that
that
little
experiment
I
think
is
very
powerful.
So
what's
the
narrative
behind
it,
it's
so
powerful
because
you
take
a
chip.
That's
a
dollar!
A
A
E
A
With
that
and
then
okay,
so
that
maybe
not
that
practical,
because,
typically,
if
you
have
a
circuit,
you
need
to
mount
it
solidly
on.
You
know,
just
for
logistics
and
practical
use
purposes,
a
little
solder
dead
bug.
It's
called
dead
bug
where
you
solder
things
right
onto
the
components
dead,
bugs
soldering
style.
That's
what
it's
called
well,
not
highly
practical.
You
have
to
attach
say
you're
running
in
a
brick
press.
A
One
is
the
super,
simple
minimalist
one
and
then
a
more
functional
one
where
it's
on
a
circuit
board,
so
it's
solid
and
you
can
mount
it
more
on
a
3d
printed
circuit
board
where
okay,
now,
how
do
you
do
it
on
a
3d
printed
circuit
board?
While
you
still
have
to
you
have
to
make
the
connections
you'd
have
to
on
the
printed
circuit
3d
printed
board,
you
would
have
to
just
simply
solder
wires,
but
on
the
on
the
copper
clad
board.
A
A
First
then
we
put
in
the
plotter
attachment
and
we
draw
the
circuit
around
that
and
then
we
etch
it
and
then
we've
got
holes
and
a
circuit
pattern,
and
then
you
can
populate
it
with
circuits
for
a
fully
functional
Arduino,
that's
pretty
powerful!
If
we
could
do
that
or
you
can
take
without
the
the
CNC
drawing
you
can
connect
the
holes
with
a
marker
by
hand
and
then
etch
it
so
there's
so
we
have
to
figure
out
which
exactly
it
do.
A
E
C
One
I
agree
that
it
might
kind
of
slow
things
down.
So
maybe
it's
more
like
we
have
the
you
know
start
with
it's
the
title
of
that
software
Inkscape
and
the
drawing
of
a
some
kind
of
sticker.
And
then
the
next
step
is
the
drilling
the
circuit
idea,
and
it
could
go
even
further
that
you
just
described.
You
could
have
a
couple
different
ways
of
getting
there
and
it's
I,
don't
know
I
wonder
so.
What
about
the
curriculum
and
the
time
is
there
wait.
A
E
C
B
A
A
B
You're
doing
and
last
as
you
had
it
before,
at
least
you
have,
you
know,
first,
coming
from
Madrid
or
electronics
than
k-chat
deciding
or
doing
an
action,
it's
solving
an
Arduino
Uno,
and
if
we
do
that
Sunday,
that
would
be
too
much.
So
if
you
want
to
do
something
small
on
day
two,
maybe
one
of
those
mini
iDream,
that's
right
thanks
or
doing
a
tag
or
something
or
small
symbol,
or
something
which,
which
Jessica
mentioned
well.
A
B
A
B
But
we
still
like
if
we
need
to
focus
on
what
we
wants
to
deliver
as
well.
This
wouldn't
start
with.
If
we
take
everything
for
the
second
day
as
I
aim,
we
still
need
to
fill
the
front
plane,
which
is
something
even
if
we
don't
later
decide
that
okay,
we
can't
do
it
on
the
second
day.
So
now,
when
we
take
away
the
electric
motors,
we
have
a
little
bits
of
space
leaf
vertically
all
right,
yeah.
C
B
A
B
A
Mitch
said
he
can
commit
to
minimalist
Arduino
and
getting
an
instructional
around
that
to
make
it
happen,
he's
the
one
that
he
I
asked
him
Mitch.
What
I
showed
him
the
thing
that
we
did
in
New
Zealand.
He
said
all
the
leads
are
too
long
that
the
the
little
capacitors
have
to
be
right
next
to
the
pins.
Otherwise
it's
not
gonna
work,
so
his
feedback.
So
ok,
so
he
knows
what
he's
talking
about
since
he's
a
electronics
guy
but
yeah.
He
said
you
could
do
that
starting
and
working.
B
A
A
The
the
links
that
exist,
kai,
CAD,
you
can
get
a
actually
put
in
the
components
of
the
mini.
You
call
in
the
mini
the
minimalist
Arduino
called
the
mini
yeah.
You
can
get
a
circuit
diagram
now
as
far
as
the
actual
layout.
Well,
the
key
can
typically
assumes
that
you've
got
a
circuit
board
so
like
for
that
one
you're.
Not
you
can't
really
do
a
layout
proper
layout,
but
you
can
do
the
actual
thing
where
you
go
from
part
libraries
and
you
drag
in
the
components.
A
So
that's
a
lesson,
a
minimalist
lesson
in
kicad,
where
you're
generating
the
actual
schematic
for
your
minimalist
Arduino.
And
then,
if
you
have
kicad-
and
you
want
to
do
actual
circuit
paths
like
the
actual
tool
paths,
then
you
have
to
do
something
that
you
would
do
on
a
copper,
clad
board.
But
that's
exactly
that
we
can.
We
can
do
the
then
that
make
all
the
connections
within
Kai,
CAD,
kicad
and
then
circuit
plot
it
so
there's
a
tool
chain
from
kicad
to
circuit
plotting,
which
I
believe
right
now
includes
kicad,
flat,
cam
and
Inkscape
flat.
A
A
A
A
So
that's
that's
the
thing
we're
using
that
same
interface
to
run,
hit,
run
and
we're
using
all
getting
all
these
functions
out
of
it.
So
that's
pretty
cool
because
I
mean
people
don't
do
that
they
typically
use
dedicated
tool
chains.
For
the
word
we're
saying
here,
we've
got
Marlin.
Well,
it
can
do
all
these
things
already.
Why
don't
we
do
it
with
that?
So
we
don't
have
to
learn
three
other
tools.
B
B
A
Right
what's
to
be
said
about
that,
if,
if
we're
making
battery
packs
I
think
the
welder
is
still
because,
because
all
those
things
are
so
tightly
related
like
if
you
do
the
power
electronics
things,
that's
an
Arduino
plus
some
power
elements,
but
that's
what
the
welder
is.
It's
Arduino
plus
power
elements,
but
you
have
to
have
another.
You
have
to
have
an
inductor
in
there
as
well.
A
If
we
have
the
battery
packs,
the
welder
is
doable,
but
that's
the
thing
where
you
stack
a
bunch
of
those
packs
together.
It's
not
like.
If
you
have
a
one
pack,
you
can't
do
it.
You
have
to
have
like
six
people's
packs
six
times,
six
like
36
batteries.
That
makes
a
perfect
case
for
a
small
welder
that
can
run
for,
like
I
think
it
can
run
like
20
minutes
of
just
welding
power,
which
is
a
cool
thing.
Yes,
so
we
should
try.
It
I
think
we
should
try
it.
A
Titan
type
relationship
between
batteries,
power,
electronics.
So
if
we
can
crack
power,
electronics
I
mean
the
pair
electrons
are
important
for
chargers.
Welders,
induction
furnaces
like
if
we
talk
about
authentically
communities
mastering
their
local
production,
which
includes
steel,
I,
don't
see
why
every
community
wouldn't
have
an
induction
furnace
to
roll
out
virgin
steel
from
scrap.
That's
right
now
that
industry
is
very
centralized
and
I.
Think
there's
consciousness
happening,
that
it
can
be
that
centralized
shouldn't.
Be
that
centralized
so
anyway,
that
I
think
there's
a
real
practical,
an
education
case
for
that
power.
Electronics
bit.
B
A
So
that
the
welder
we
can
do
like,
so
how
do
you
substitute
the
welder?
Well,
you
can
want
run
one
there's
other
ways
like
you
can
run
it
off
the
wall
to
120
a
C
which
requires
a
different
circuit,
which
is
more
complicated
like
not
more
complicated
requires
other
parts
we
can
and
also
the
other
thing,
there's
a
practicality
there
too,
because
that
runs
into
insurance
issues
actually.
C
B
A
We
found
that
out
already
like
we're
with
the
San
Diego
event.
We
were
there's
limitations,
for
what
insurance
can
can
handle
like
we'd,
have
to
negotiate
that
case
by
case,
but
short
of
the
welding
like
you
can
we
can't
still
do
a
lot
of
the
experiments
with
the
power
electronics
like
say
that
the
battery
charger
or
charger
or
motor
controller
things
like
that,
the
welding,
that's
you
know
like
yeah,
for
the
schools
that
unfortunately
there's
that
little
complication
of
insurance
but
I'm.
E
A
C
E
B
A
Right,
but
no
we
should.
We
should
I
think
we
should
go
forward
with
with
the
welder
I
think.
If
people
can
do
that
too
bad
they're,
missing
out,
they'll
cut
out
will
modify
the
curriculum
a
little
bit
there,
but
no
we
should.
We
should
plan
on
it
because
once
again
like,
if
we
don't
have
the
batteries,
we
can
still
do.
But
then
again,
why
are
we
talking
about
low
populations?
That's
that's
a
bad
mindset
here
we
gotta
say
no.
A
We're
gonna
fill
it
up
with
12
people,
but
for
the
back
up
like
like
part
of
the
lessons
there
is
like,
we
also
want
to
learn
about
rectification.
So
if
you
take
120
AC
and
you
rectify
to
get
120
DC-
and
you
can
work
with
that,
if
you,
but
you
have
to
transform
that
down
to
the
working
voltage
of
the
welder,
no
with
yeah.
A
A
It's
true
well,
they're
close.
The
designs
are
pretty
close
to
like,
for
example,
the
way
we
did.
The
light
dimmer
I
think
the
way
we
designed
it
was.
It
would
work
in
Europe
and
here
cuz,
because
the
components
could
handle
120
or
240,
and
then
it
would
be
a
minor
change
in
software
now,
even
though
over
the
case
like
with
multiple
part
like
there's,
not
enough
participants
well
the
instructor,
they
should
have
a
stash
of
batteries
with
them
too
so
yeah
yeah.
So
we
yeah.
We
should
just
plan
on
the
batteries.
A
A
C
A
A
If
we
have
the
three
printers
working,
we
can
make
the
3d
printed
circuit
boards,
where
we
mount
the
components
which
is
useful,
I,
think
because
plastic
is
an
insulator,
so
it
can
be
a
good
substrate
and
we
want
it
to
play
with
those
interesting
things
where
we
have
cooling
heat
sinks
with
little
fans
that
we
already
use
in
a
3d
printer
in
the
extruder
head.
We
can
mount
the
power
elements
to
those
meaning
that
we
are
showing
this
interesting
ecology,
where
the
power
electronics
go
into
the
same
kind
of
heat
heat
system.
A
Elements
like
as
an
extruder
head,
which
is
a
hot
element
with
cooling,
they're
kind
of
same
technology,
applies
to
the
the
power
electronics
cooling,
which
is
an
interesting
concept
for
people
to
learn.
A
point
is
Tom
could
possibly
help
with
some
of
that,
if
he's
available
so
I
think
we're
weakest.
Maybe,
on
the
fourth
day.
A
A
B
A
B
B
B
A
B
A
B
A
Peter
and
Holdren
I
think
they
were
well
I
mean
you
can
check
in
with
so
the
guys
from
Hamburg
who
were
gonna
run
the
steam
camp.
So
that's
maybe
check
in
with
Benedict
as
well.
Now
that
were
roping
people
in
also
check
with
Don
I
mean
down
from
the
first
first
event
he
he
might
be.
He
emailed
me
saying
if
we
need
any
help,
it.
A
B
B
A
Now
you
know
that
from
also
Ian
from
New
Zealand,
he
wanted
to
do
a
really
good
documentation
of
ripping
the
thing
apart
and
then
a
good
instructional
video
on
an
entire
bill
to
the
printer
like
cuz,
we
built
it
and
he
said
he
was
gonna,
take
all
the
students
and
do
a
video,
because
here
on
he
teaches
video.
So
he
said
he
was
gonna.
B
A
Notion
is
that
that's
a
product
and
that
could
be
used
for
for
people
to
run
workshops
of
any
kind
anywhere
like
we
can.
If
we
have
all
these
modules,
we
can
talk
about
also
just
smaller
events,
where
we
run
run
different
things,
but
we
don't
have
specific
events
like
that
planned
right
now,
but
these
could
be
webinars
or
live
events
like
meetups.
You
know
like
this
can
feed
into
a
lot
of
stuff
yeah.
B
A
A
Taiwan
so
don't
work
like
I
mean
we
don't
have
a
specific
event
plan
for
August
right
now,
cuz,
it's
like
we
can't
plan
right
now
because
with,
but
we
are
saying
something
like
July
around
July
time.
Do
a
film
maker
thing
now
for
his
camp,
like
maybe
we
can
rerun
the
the
film
and
maker
and
some
of
us
can
get
involved.
That's
the
way.
I
could
see
it.
So
if
he
wants
to
do
that,
I
think
we
can
ride.
On
top
of
the
the
filament
maker
work.
B
Yeah,
because
we
knew
he
would
like
to
do
in
the
end
of
August,
the
22nd
August,
if
that
would
be
possible
and
I
mean
holding
holding
a
homesites
events
in
Taiwan,
so
basically
using
the
same
information,
we're
gonna
add
for
the
general
market.
But
of
course
we
need
to
really
make
it
and
making
the
air
shredder.
How.
A
Would
you
assess
the
level
of
risk
for
I
mean
like
until
there's
a
there's,
a
vaccine
like
the
the
blow-ups
of
the
the
kovat,
can
happen
at
any
time?
That's
it's
risky.
What's
your
take
on
that
Jessica
and
undress
on,
because
then
some
part
there's
all
these
people
Russian
to
get
back
to
work,
but
another
thing
the
reality
is
an
explosion
of
the
disease
can
happen
anytime.
As
long
as
there's
a
single
sick
person,
any
any
city
can
explode.
B
C
A
B
We're
seeing
an
ad
yeah
yeah,
so
that's
one
thing
which
we
need
to
look
first
on
how
to
do
is
also
again
as
how
much
you
can
get
locally
from
confident
I
wanted.
Of
course,
if
you
get
sick
in
Taiwan,
that
will
be
risking
one
thing
that
we
thought
that
which
was
also
concerning
on
the
feasibility
of
the
event,
is
to
have
some
kind
of
escaped
switch.
B
Not
feasible,
so
why
are
certain
dates?
We
have
to
write
to
say
sorry,
we're
not
going
to
hold
it
again,
because
it's
not
possible,
but
we
need
to
know
at
what
how
many
participants
we
want
to
have
and
not
what
dates
and
we
yeah
able
to
have
the
event.
So
we
don't
buy
products
before
and
we
realize.
B
A
How
does
that
apply
to
the
August
late
August
I
mean
I
think
we
should
proceed
at
it.
It's
like
that's,
that's
gotta
be
removed,
I
would
suggest
remote
I
mean
because
if
you,
if
it's
not
remotely
you're,
adding
more
risk
into
it
and
then
you're
gonna
be
doing
all
this
planning
and
if
it
doesn't
happen,
it's
can
be
a
wasteful
thing.
B
B
B
A
C
B
B
B
B
A
A
B
So
the
difference
I
think
it
would
be
hard
right
now.
Did
it
ever
this
calculated
to
be
similar
to
to
other
countries
such
as
England,
but
because
they
only
test
people
who
go
to
the
hospitals
since
the
function
would
be
less,
everyone
would
get
it
anyway.
So,
whatever
any
risks,
it's
really
no
different.
It's
over
right
role,
models,
assume
deference
they're,
quite
quite
normal,
the
emergency
hospitals
on
us.
Yes,
so
that's
that's
good
and
we
are
over.
The
piece
should
be
fine.
A
What
sort
of
projection
that's
pretty
amazing?
What's
it
projected
number
of
deaths
and
like?
Why
did
for
example,
so
why
is
it
working
there?
Is
it
because
you
guys
are
more
more
enlightened
or
like
because
England
tried
that
initially
and
I
said
no
way,
but
there's
going
to
be
too
much
death?
So
what's
the
difference
there.
B
And
the
other
thing
is
that
there's
a
very
high
trust
towards
the
governments
of
people
compared
to
some
other
countries
where
people
might
not
follow
like
what
they
assume
is
best.
So
that's
another
assumption,
culturally,
so
there's
probably
how
we
live
and
how
to
a
culture
and
learn
fairness
that
we
don't
have
a
dense
population.
A
B
A
B
B
Time
it's
most
people
seem
to
think
it
makes
sense,
they're
still
some
people
who
think
that
it
doesn't
make
sense
or
not.
There
are
some
key
elements
which
could
have
been
better,
for
example,
and
a
better
prediction
for
nursing
homes,
but
otherwise,
there's
quite
high
trust
in
a
system.
Do
you
have
protests
happening?
B
A
B
B
A
B
B
B
B
B
A
B
A
A
B
Right,
so
what
a
marketing
so
in
the
future
are
people
just
create
a
Google
event
and
add
it,
because
didactic
go
and
Google
disagrees
the
American
time
zones
so
or,
if
I
use
the
universal
one,
but
for
marketing
materials.
I
put
out
a
few
different
things,
but
few
things
you
saw
the
wiki,
but
also
so
that
we
have
a
schedule
template
that
we
can
use
each
time
we
have
a
new
app.
B
So
we
know
approximately
when
to
start
with
different
parts
like
your
link
in
Facebook
Instagram.
Not
necessarily
do
we
have
to
follow
its
1%,
but
it's
it's
like.
It
starts
to
make
sure
that
action
gets
done
and
there's
sort
of
it's
time
for
different
types
of
marketing
and
getting
branding,
especially
in
the
beginning,
but.
B
B
You
to
the
invitation,
okay
great,
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
Google
yummy
Marcin,
and
there
are
some
other
tactics
which
are
work.
That's
done
literally
regarding
Twitter's
theone
and
such
well.
I
should
make
it
a
bit
prettier
and
that's
something
we
can
work
on
now
evolve
our
research
with
your
interest
during
this
weekend,
working
together
sooner
to
make
sure
that
all
the
picture
and
the
most
optimal
formats
and
for
anything
in
your
workplace
and
such
and.
B
Yeah,
so
when
it
comes
to
stand
up
there,
I'm
thinking
people
who
work
full
time
or
almost
full
time.
So,
especially
you
and
me
I,
don't
know
how
much
time
how
do
people
have
like,
for
example,
but
anyone
who
who
work
fully
committed
on
this
it
would
be
really
good
to
have
a
like
15
minutes
daily
stand
up
just
where
we
go
through
what
we're
doing
in
our
tasks
and
work.
A
A
B
A
Wise,
not
a
finished
product.
There's
a
pro
today,
just
product
release
on
a
wiki.
Look
at
that
page
not
seriously
take
a
look
at
the
page
stages,
product
least
no.
It
will
be
a
definitely
a
good
first
prototype,
not
a
first
prototype,
second
or
third
prototype,
because
we've
built
them
before
take
a
look
at
this
stages
of
product
release.
So
something
people
need
to
understand,
know
like
like.
When
you
build
something
doesn't
mean
it's
a
product:
it
means
it's
a
good
prototype.
B
A
Like
what
was
what
I
am
envision
happening?
Is
that
what's
been
built
like
the
first
product,
it's
called
second
prototype,
since
we
built
the
precious
plastic
ones
before
here
a
couple
of
times
so
call
it
like
a
second
prototype.
That's
documented
that
you
can
work
directly
off
of
that.
So,
if
you
want
to
build
it,
you
can
replicate
it
and
it
will
give
you
decent
results
for
shredding
and.
A
Now
also
with
that
is,
is
the
film
and
maker
filming
makers
we've
built.
So
what
I
would
do
is
have
that
whole
system
I'd
really
want
to
have
this
thing
up
and
running
and
I'm,
showing
that
okay,
here
I'm
making
filament
look
at
this.
This
is
what
you
can
do
so
and
that's
marketing.
That's
that's
marketing
material!
There!
You
can
say:
okay,
here's
an
experimental
shredder
that
we're
making
the
next
development
the
next
development
would
be
to
fix
this
one
bug
or
something
or
making
something
better.
A
A
I
think
if
so,
we
do
I
mean
I
think
it
can
happen.
So
in
five
days
you
can.
That
depends
on
having
that
decent
prototype
that
you
build
from
a
proof
from
a
thing
that
already
works,
and
you
you
know
like
we've
I've
done
it
I've
documented
it.
It
works.
Here's
how
you
can
do
it
relatively
quickly,
because
the
design
is
relatively
simple,
so
that's
the
ideal
and
it
could
be.
We
can
frame
it
as
okay,
here's
the
five
day
intensive
experiment,
but
then
we
might
have
continued
follow-up
meetings
on
that
right.
A
So
we
can
host
okay,
let's
meet
next
Saturday
for
a
couple
hours
developing
the
next
thing
with
all
of
us
actually
having
these
things
in
functional
shape,
so
that
were
maybe
doing
some
collaborative
real
collaborative
design
with
a
bunch
of
people
that
actually
have
the
machine
working
at
a
decent
state.
That's
Dobby!
The
ideal
I
mean
that
was
the
whole
thing
about
the
steam
camps
is
that
we
do
we
get
so
far
and
we
continue
development
through
regular
meetings
and
future
future
camps.
B
A
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
it's
it's
I
mean
the
way
I'm
looking
at
it
these
days.
It's
like
it's
about
bodies,
it's
about
enough
people
showing
up
to
just
do
all
these
things.
So
none
of
this
is
any
rocket
science.
It's
just
a
little
bit
of
integration.
It's
about
a
focused
development
like
if
the
biggest
thing
we
can
accomplish
is
the
idea
that
we
teach
people
the
the
time-binding
concept,
which
is
look
any
little
piece
that
you
put
on
the
wiki
if
well
organized,
brings
the
whole
project
forward.
That
is.
C
A
Core
of
the
message,
any
little
contribution
that
you
make
brings
the
project
forward.
If
we
can
get
to
that
level.
That's
that's
that
success,
because
then
people
can
do
little
contributions
that
actually
are
moving
the
whole
thing
forward
and
that's
where
we're
trying
to
get
to
I
see
the
good
hints
like
with
a
little
template
there
like
the
dev
template
the
def
template
template.
A
That
in
itself
shows
me
a
lot
of
promise,
because
if
you
can
just
seed
like
all
the
proper
direction
of
documentation
in
a
in
a
second
that's
a
great
start,
I
can
tell
you
that's
a
great
start
right
there
that
plus
a
couple
of
of
infobox
templates
a
little
bit
of
infrastructure,
and
you
can
for
each
project
that
you
do.
You
can
have
a
very,
very
concerted
effort
of
moving
forward.
A
B
A
A
A
B
A
B
B
A
A
That
would
actually
go
go
into
so
that
goes,
they'll
be
in
a
requirement,
so
Shred
sized
is
that
is
a
size
is
selectable
is
adjustable
yeah.
But
the
thing
is,
like
you
know,
little
things
like
this
make
a
difference,
so
you
just
added
just
a
little
bit
of
content.
So
now
you
see
this
template,
it's
got
some
content
already
filled
in
and
then
you
do.
The
percent
like
fill
in
percent,
but
that's
kind
of
we
got
to
get
people
thinking
about
this
okay.
A
Well,
that
literally
gets
you
to
like
a
conceptual
design
and
literally
like
a
technical
design
of
3d
CAD
like
in
other
words
like
when
you
develop
each
aspect
to
the
limit.
It
gets
you
far
along
the
completion
of
all
the
other
20
steps,
so,
for
example,
if
you're
in
the
shredder
require-
and
you
said,
use
CNC
cut,
half
inch
plate
well,
already
you've
informed
a
whole
bunch
about
the
be
om.
A
You
know
the
B
om
is
going
to
have
lie,
half
inch,
half
inch
mild
steel,
CNC
cut
plate,
you
know
so
so
the
way
it
works
like
the
way
you
can
synthesize
a
lot
of
collaboration
is
by
people
understanding
that
concept
to
that.
If
you
develop
any
part
like
first
of
all
documented
because
any
part
matters,
if
it's
focused
towards
development
and
then
it
helps
to
inform
all
the
other
parts.
So
if
you
have
a
large
team
the
way
it
works,
the
part
of
this
iterative
development,
the
way
it
works.
A
You
have
to
keep
looking
at
other
stuff,
like
just
keep
looking
at
what
other
people
have
done
and
that
informs
like
all
the
other
elements.
So
if
you
say
like
oh
I,
don't
know
how
to
start
the
3d
CAD.
Well,
look
at
what
the
requirements
says.
Can
you
actually
reify
something
from
the
requirement
into
CAD,
as
even
just
the
seed
file?
That's
just
a
plain
start
like
a
very
tiny
start,
but
that's
the
concept
like
people
have
to
understand
that
the
little
contributions
matter-
and
this
is
a
concept
called
called
time,
binding
in
general
semantics.
A
The
idea
that
humans
have
the
unique
capacity
to
build
upon
prior
knowledge
by
building
upon
a
little
pieces
from
before,
that's
time
binding
in
action.
But
that's
that's
the
beauty
I
see,
hence
that
this
could.
Actually,
you
know
we
can
get
enough
people
to
understand
this
so
that
you
know
if
people
can
actually
collaborate
on
that
in
a
meaningful
way.
Yeah.
B
A
B
One
more
lost
person,
so
what
which
has
the
weakest
right
now?
It
is
very
decentralized
I
think
it's
part
art
for
people
to
take
in
these
the
information
about
it
or
like
creating
a
narrative.
It
is
in
a
way
interacting
information,
unknown
binary
information,
so
in
thinking
a
little
bit
also
read
research,
because
how
Allah
communicates
non-binary
information
and
storytelling
works
quite
well,
even
if
it's
for
things
like
teaching
risk
management
or
kicking
things.
What
does
work?
Well,
this
storytelling
storytelling?
D
D
B
A
A
Any
ideas
I,
don't
know
how
to
do
that.
That's
a
good
question
because
you
have
to
end
up
transferring
technical
information.
How
do
you
wind
a
story
around
it?
Yeah
you
can.
You
can
do
a
case
case
study
of
something
like
a
case
study
of
an
excellent
thing
that
people
develop
like
it
pretty
much
a
far
a
thing
like:
okay,
here's,
a
make-believe
story
where
you
just
show
through
this
amazing
development,
but
it
wraps
in
the
whole
development
process
in
it.
But
the
story
of
what's
been
developed
is
fake
because.
A
A
Problem
which
this
is
kind
of
like
what
people
do
with
like
some
of
these
intro
videos
like
for
projects
for
vaporware
projects,
where
some
reality
is
not
there
yet,
and
they
basically
say
imagine
this
right.
We
could
do
and
imagine
this
video
with
blend
blending
in
some
of
the
the
reality
that
we
have
yeah
yeah
I
could
see
something
like
that
happening.
A
A
B
A
A
Take
a
look
at
that
see
what
you
think
about
that
there's
a
trailer
for
it
and
stuff,
but
I'm,
not
sure
where
it
here's
Google
to
see.
If
we
can
find
a
copy
of
this,
but-
and
let
me
know
like
I-
mean
that
captured
a
part
of
the
story
when
we
were
building
a
tractor
and
stuff
it's
a
pretty
cool
movie.
I
like
it
pushes.