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From YouTube: Extreme Enterprise - Take 1
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With David Lemmer. See some notes at https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Extreme_Enterprise and https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Extreme_Enterprise_Event_Design
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B
Student
at
the
air
force
institute
of
technology,
which
is
the
I
mean
it's
mainly
active
duty
air
force,
mainly
officers-
are
the
students
that
go
through
effort.
However,
wright
patterson
air
force
base
is
the
size
of
a
small
here,
town
at
the
very
least,
and
there's
a
very
large
civilian
and
contractor
population
there,
and
so
affect,
is
open
as
long
as
you
have
some
kind
of
sponsorship.
B
Yeah
mainly
I'd,
say
about
90
of
the
folks
that
go
through.
There
are
active
duty,
military
and
typically
officers.
Although
there
are
some
more
senior
enlisted
personnel
that
that
wind
up
getting
stationed
to
pursue
a
graduate
degree
at
athet,
okay
or
a
certificate
or
whatever
else,
the
air
force
or
respective
branch
of
service
feels
they
need.
B
B
Well,
what
are
what
are
the
options
that
are
available
to
me
that
can
meet
those
requirements
or
you
might,
you
know,
put
other
other
things
in
there
and
then
yeah
big,
a
big
part
of
that
is
in
the
like
process,
management
and
yeah.
I
I
think
I
think
a
lot
of
that
really
goes
into
managing
complexity.
A
B
Yeah,
and
so
so
that
that
would
be
kind
of
like
how
things
go
with
document
base,
where
you
have
some
static
document,
and
so,
if
you
decide
you
need
to
change
that
requirement
or
anything
like
that,
then
you
may
have
repercussions
all
the
way
through
your
your
system
that
that
need
now
to
be
manually,
changed,
and
so
with
model-based
systems.
Engineering.
B
So
I
had
I
had
I
had
done
a
google
a
little
while
ago
for
a
open
source
cameo,
because
there's
there's
some
websites
out
there
that
have
pretty
good,
pretty
good,
like
you
search
for
a
proprietary
program
and
then
they'll
tell
you
what
options
are
available
in
the
open
source
community.
I
did.
I
did
see
some
stuff,
but
I
didn't
download
them
and
start
to
play
with
them.
As
I
mean
since,
since
the
the
masters
is
plenty
to
keep
busy,
I
didn't
want
to
say
follow
me.
B
B
A
Send
a
link
in
the
chat
box.
Would
this
be
relevant?
Okay,
so,
with
respect
to
what
we
want
to
talk
about
today
with
res
back
to
the
extreme
enterprise
challenge
which
we're
creating
with
respect
to
breakdown
of
a
large
number
of
complex
tasks
for
product
development,
do
you
see
some
of
these
tools
being
relevant
or
not
really,
should
we
just
get
into
hey?
Let's
talk
about
breakdown
of
tasks.
B
From
from
these
extreme
enterprise.
Productization
events,
I
think,
where
it
would
fit
in,
is
actually
tracking,
where
all
of
these
links
are
and
so
having
having
something
where
you
could
automatically
update
like
an
instantiation
of
a
type,
it's
kind
of
like
an
object-oriented
programming
where
you're
saying
object
of
type
cat,
or
you
know,
object
of
type
animal
and,
and
so
that
way
you
can
go
and
add
a
new
instantiation
of
that
and
then
put
in
its
parameters
and
so
that
way,
you're
you're
able
to
better
track.
Or
you
know
it's
like.
B
I
think
I
think
some
of
the
the
most
important
things
to
pay
attention
to
for
the
extreme
enterprise
event
is
going
to
be
how
each
module
will
actually
interface
with
other
elements
of
the
global
village
construction
set,
and-
and
so
you
know,
being
able
to
have
a
a
active
program
that
will
tell
you
what
those
interfaces
are
or
tell
you.
You
know
which,
which
parts
of
the
global
village
construction
set
a
module
can
be
a
subsystem
of.
I
think
I
think
those
kinds
of
tools
would
be
really
critical
in
that.
A
B
E
A
B
B
B
I
I
I
ended
up
coming
across
open
source
ecology
because
of
a
like,
I
was,
I
was
kind
of
exploring
around
in
in
politics
and
trying
to
develop
a
you
know
a
world
view
of
you
know
how
I
think
things
ought
to
be,
and
you
know
kind
of
figure
out
like
okay.
Well,
what
do
I
value
and
all
this
sort
of
stuff?
B
A
A
A
A
B
A
Second
yeah:
let's
start
with
the
assumption
of
the
house,
because
that's
a
that's
got
a
we're
solving
for
the
problem
of
people
showing
up
that's
definitely
people
are
going
to
show
up
for
that
where
initially
was
like
something
along
the
lines
of
a
home
on
a
trailer,
but
I'm
thinking
it's
like.
Let's
talk
about
house
like
a
small,
a
micro
house
that,
however,
it's
deployed
not
getting
into
details,
even
I
think
the
clarity
on
the
value
proposition.
We
got
to
definitely
prepare
that
to
prepare
a
really
compelling
package.
A
A
It's
a
good
opportunity
to
combine
a
lot
of
technologies,
it's
kind
of
kind
of
like
a
catch-all
for
a
whole
bunch
of
technology,
which
means
we
can
sneak
in
a
bunch
of
things
and
when
we
look
for
people,
perhaps
the
outcome
of
this
is
that
we
really
develop
some
subsystem
that
becomes
a
product
on
its
own.
Maybe
even,
but
I
think
the
house
is
a
great
catch-all
and
definitely
will
get
the
attention
with
that.
C
B
We
do
like
an
event
or
something
like
that
where
you
know
either
we
just
give
the
task
and
everybody
kind
of
breaks
off,
and
then
we
get
together
at
some
later
date
or
we
get
together
and
in
one
session
try
to
hammer
it
all
out.
But
the
thing
to
start
with
would
probably
be
a
definition
of
done
where
we
say:
okay,
you
know:
where
do
we
want
to
get
to
with
our
module
or
modular
breakdown?
A
E
B
B
I
think
this
is
an
important
question,
because
that
will
that
will
help
us
to
get
down
into
some
of
the
interfacing
aspects
of
it.
Where
you
know
we're
we're
saying:
okay,
you
know
so
we've
got
you
know
some
some
kind
of
a
way
to
maintain
pressure
on
on
any
running
water
or
cistern,
or
something
like
that.
B
B
Is
the
idea
of
developing
metric
to
collect
on
on
the
day
of
the
event
and
and
maybe
even
in
the
planning
phases,
and
so
the
idea
there
is
that
we
we
try
and
develop
some
simple
ways
to
measure
how
successful
the
event
is
and
areas
where
it
may
have
gone
right
in
areas
where
it
may
have
gone
wrong.
So
so
that
way
as
we
iterate
in
the
future,
we
we
you
know,
try
to
do
that
optimization
in
in
onto
the
areas
that
are
really
working
for
us.
B
A
Things
along
those
lines,
yeah
yeah
excellent,
so
we
can
definitely
count
number
of
people
that
showed
up
on
a
composition
of
teams
like
we
need
50
teams.
We
got
like
five
or
we
got
50
teams
that
worked
effectively
or
we
wanted
2
000
people.
We
got
300
people
whatever
those
might
be
yeah
yeah.
If
we
just
define
clear
definitions
of
done
for
like
we
can
spec
out
here's
the
different
modules,
here's
definitions
of
done,
some
of
the
requirements.
A
I
mean
that's
enough
to
create
a
metric,
we're
saying
here's
the
requirements,
and
maybe
you
break
the
requirement
say
you
know,
12
requirements
per
module.
We
just
go
through
check.
Okay
at
the
end
of
the
event
which
requirements
are
we
checking
off,
so
I
think
the
more
clear
we
are
about
the
end
state.
That's
why
I
think,
like
the
initial
discussion
with
all
the
people
that
we're
getting
on
board
is
important,
because
we
can,
we
can
help,
get
help
on
formulating
those
questions,
and
then
we
get
really
specific.
It's
like
bam.
A
B
Yeah
absolutely-
and
so
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
that
the
the
real
key
things
to
get
nailed
down
in
in
a
modular
breakdown
is
is
actually
kind
of
mapping
out
where
all
the
boundaries
are
in
the
system.
So
that
way
you
know
for
each
module.
We
know
how
much
space
it
takes
up,
what
inputs
it's
going
to
receive
and
in
one
what
format
or
language
and
then
what
outputs
it's
going
to
produce
and
where
those
outputs
are
going,
and
then
we
leave
the
rest
of
of
that
design
to
the
team.
B
B
If
we're
talking
about
a
motor
shaft,
we
might
say
the
motor
shaft
must
be
at
least
this
long
with
a
tolerance
of
you
know,
plus
or
minus
a
quarter
inch
or
you
know
and
yeah,
and
then
let
people
go
so
that
way
we
come
out
with
a
bunch
of
designs
that
should
hopefully
be
like.
You
know
completely
interchangeable
yeah.
A
B
And-
and
so
I
I
did
get
kind
of
a
a
goal
here
or
trying
to
trying
to
sum
up
all
of
the
texts
above
that
the
goal
of
the
pre-planning
event
with
the
subject
matter.
Experts
would
be
producing
documentation
that
describes
requirements
and
constrains
critical
interfaces
for
each
module
to
be
developed
in
the
extreme
enterprise
event.
Direct
technical
skill
sets
necessary
for
dev
team
success
for
each
module
fully
drive
how
modules
will
interface,
for
example,
inputs
and
outputs,
connectors
signal,
language
type
and
all
known
spatial
constraints.
A
B
D
B
So
I
mean
yeah,
I'm
kind
of
trying
to
think
through
it
in
my
head,
where
it's
like,
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
showing
up.
You
know
we
have
these
groups
of
eight
to
12
individuals,
and
you
know
they've
they've
got
their
skill
sets
and
so
coming
up
with
ways
that
will
help
them
effectively
plan
and
break
out
tasks.
So
that
way,
each
individual
on
that
team
has
an
idea
of
how
much
effort
each
you
know.
Each
task
is
going
to
take
and
is
able
to
actually
say
you
know.
A
Well,
I
mean
keeping
it
trying
to
keep
it
simple,
like
we
can,
potentially
in
the
pre
prep
phase,
we're
talking
to
all
these
people
we're
we're
kind
of
architecting
that
up
front.
Let's,
like
I
use
the
term
agile
waterfall
like
we're,
really
heavyweight
product
managing
it,
but
then
once
we
let
it
go,
it
just
goes
right.
A
So
maybe,
like
we
say,
okay,
what
I
what
I
envision
is
this:
it's
like
we've
got
a
map,
here's
a
kind
of
a
graphical
indexical
environment,
just
a
hyperlink
document
on
the
wiki.
You
can
click
on
everything
and
you
can
get
to
the
individual
modules.
It
might
look
like
a
house.
It
might
be
like
an
infographic
like
thing
and
then
people
go
into
the
modules
they
could
use
that
to
organize.
A
A
A
14
is
it
today
yeah
okay,
so
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
can
envision
the
because
this
is
about
combating
you
know:
brooks
law,
right,
yeah,
okay,
we
gotta
work
out
brooke's
law,
and
that
is
coordination.
So
how
do
we
coordinate
everybody
so
before
what
I
envision
is
like
in
an
hour
crash
course,
we
can
get
everybody
on
board,
but
what
is
that?
Let's
start
with
you
work
log?
A
So
if
you
we
will
have
a
a
graphic
of
all
the
teams
and
you
can
click
on
everybody's
page
and
you
and
using
a
scalable
platform
like
a
wiki.
Just
you
can
just
click
on
okay,
david
log
or
martian
log,
and
you
can
see
what
people
are
contributing.
So
you
have
to
upload
files
or
whatever
assets
you
have
to
your
log.
So
everybody
knows
immediately
where
everybody's
stuff
is
that's
a
big
deal
and
then
beyond
that,
there's
going
to
be
usage
of.
A
I
don't
know
how
we
work
out
this
this
free
cat
thing,
because,
because
probably
most
people,
a
lot
of
people
are
not
going
to
know
freecad,
but
they
might
be
using
other
software
that
you
can
export
into
step
files.
If
it's
cad
designs,
I
mean
we
are
going
to
encourage
by
all
means
that
okay,
it's
all
open
source
tool
chain
degeneracy,
so
you're
all
using
the
same
tools,
but
we'll
see
how
many
people
we
can
find
that
are
open.
A
I
mean
ideally
we're
searching
through
all
the
open
source
channels
that
a
lot
of
the
people
are
familiar
with
the
critical
tools
like
freecad
and
keycad,
or
whatever
else
we
got
or
openscad
or
anything
else
in
wikis,
but
as
long
as
we
have
yeah,
so
we've
got
a
infographic
of
all
the
modules
you
have
kind
of
like
a
team
organizing
page
now,
as
we
go
forward
like
how
do
we
manage
the
scrum?
What
would
you
call
the
scrum
master
like
or
let's
see
what
role?
A
Would
you
see
yourself
doing,
maybe,
like
you
can?
What
we
can
have
you
do
is
organize
help
help
everybody
kind
of
manage
that
everybody's
doing
documentation
like
we've
got
all
the
teams,
maybe
make
sure
coordinate
between
all
of
them.
That
everybody's,
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
logging
logging
and
uploading
information
as
soon
as
it's
available
like
as
soon
as
you
have
any
input.
If
it's
on
the
wiki,
you
click
save,
and
everybody
can
see
it
already.
A
If
it's
live,
editable
docs
people
can
see
immediate
changes
real
time
if
it's
free,
cad
or
cad
files.
We
have
a
method
of
using
part
libraries
where
you
just
upload
that
the
wiki
does
have
a
version
history,
so
you
can
do
that
pretty
much
in
real
time,
but
we
just
have
to
orient
everybody
that
okay,
we're
not.
A
We
don't
have
some
master
million
dollar
collaboration
platform,
we're
using
common
tools,
we're
using
wikis
we're
using
a
a
process
where,
essentially
everybody
understands
that
everybody's
working
openly,
you
find
people's
content
by
their
names
on
the
logs
and
just
basic,
very,
very
basic
protocol
that
you
can
understand
in
like
an
hour
of
study.
You
know
for
somebody
who's
new
at
it.
So
I
think
that
part
of
the
value
proposition
to
participants
is
that
you're
going
to
learn
something
about
a
large-scale
collaboration
and
how
that
could
work
using
very
simple
tools.
A
That's
definitely
a
value
proposition
as
well
as
the
other
thing
being
that
well
here,
you're
getting
exposed
to
all
these
other
people
that
are
producing,
like
we've
got
this
roster
of
these
amazing
people
that
that's
what
I
think
is
going
to
bring
people
to
the
table
like
as
we
go
along
talking
to
new
new
people,
we're
like
the
next,
the
more
people
we
talk
to
the
more
credible
a
case
we
have
like.
Oh,
we
already
have
50
people
committing
to
these,
and
these
are
these
people
with
these
skills
and
so
forth.
A
So
it
becomes
more
compelling
the
farther
we
go
along,
but
I
think
for
me,
like
I'm,
gonna,
need
to
find
some
people
to
help
coordinate
that
process,
because
that
means
a
lot
of
talking
on,
and
so
I
I'll
probably
get
involved
in
that,
like
I
don't
know
at
least
half
time
or
possibly
full
time,
because
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
experiment
to
try
out.
This
is
like,
like
the
future
of
human
economic
history
could
be,
we
could
be
creating
it
here
if
it's
successful.
A
Yeah
yeah,
basically,
where
the
grand
claim
is
instead
of
a
highly
coordinated
effort,
happening
in
a
corporate
setting,
we're
saying
here's
a
wild,
agile
process
that
gets
results
even
faster,
be
and
better,
because
it's
actually
open
and
truly
collaborative
and
that's
the
advantage.
We
have
we're
saying
we're
unabashedly,
publishing
everything
that
we
generate
here
for
everybody's
benefit
and
that
ethical
motivation
is
a,
I
think,
a
key
driver
for
how
this
can
succeed
and
why
a
corporation
may
not
be
in
a
position
to
do
this
at
all.
A
So
that's,
I
think,
that's
a
that's
a
good
thing!
So
yeah,
I
would
say
I'm
gonna
talk
to.
I
have
a
mentor
who
advises
on
on
business
and
marketing
strategy
and
all
that,
but
I'm
gonna
run
by
him
like
okay.
How
do
we
get
because
I
envision
a
little
budget
like
if
we
talk
about
on
one
side,
is
to
coordinate
everybody
up
front,
and
I
imagine
I'll
be
doing
a
lot
of
that,
but
also
if
it's
during
the
event,
apparently
we're
going
to
need
a
prototype
or
two
or
many.
A
B
B
Because
that
they're
going
to
be
the
the
ones
who
are
a
critical
resource
when
it
when
it
comes
to
actually
prototyping
these
things
or
you
know
if
it's
a
design
that
can
come
out
of
basically
a
hardware
store,
then
then
that
opens
it
up
quite
a
lot.
But
you
still,
you
still
need
tools
in
order
to
assemble
that
design.
If
there's
any
sort
of
welding
or
fabrication,
that
would
be
an
important
thing
to
track
as
we're
building.
A
We.
We
have
to
probably
be
ready
for
that.
If
we're
going
to
promise
some
results
that
that
are
here
in
a
rapid
time
scale
now
I
think
the
good
thing
about
some
housing
things
is
that
there
are.
I
just
was
looking
at
open
source
housing
just
ran
into
another
one
from
from
france,
another
design
we
work
on
it,
wiki
house
works
on
it.
There's
open
structures,
there's
another
project.
I
know
that's
in
in
austria,
so
there
is
some
there's
wiki
house,
of
course.
So
there
is
some
effort
in
this
and
yeah.
A
It's
I
think,
calling
out
for
a
larger,
basically
calling
out
for
a
larger
solving
a
larger
problem
is
a
lot
of
the
value
that
we're
offering
by
saying
hey
we're
just
going
to
collaborate
like
nobody
has
collaborated
before
yeah
yeah.
So,
let's
see
what
do
you
see
like
during
the
event
so
say,
you're
collaborating
for.
Do
you
think
we
can
find
a
weekend?
This
would
be.
A
B
B
Or
one
of
the
trump
and
typically
be
integrated
with
the
team?
Okay,
you
know
the
the
the
developers
staff
on
the
team
will
have
their
sprint
and
the
scrum
master
will
will
kind
of
know
what
needs
to
be
done
in
in
this
iteration
or
in
the
sprint,
and
they
will
know
who's
working
on
which
to
system
interdependent
with
one
another
that
is
to
do.
Two
tasks
depend
on
each
other
for
their
steps
to
have
to
be.
B
I
can
hear
you
yeah,
okay
yeah,
but
so
the
the
scrum
master
would
have
a
a
really
micro
view
of
the
development
process,
as
a
single
team
is
going
through
a
sprint
iteration
and
then,
when
you
have
larger
organizations,
the
way
it
usually
works
is
that
you
might
have
like
a
scrum
of
scrums
or
you'll.
Have
someone
like
a
release?
A
E
A
E
A
B
A
B
C
A
D
A
Protocol,
that's
a
that's
a
decent
start:
okay,
there's
a
page!
There's
a
link!
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
link
to
that
and
the
notes.
But
let
me
paste
that
into
the
chat
box
I
probably
need
to
do
is
do
like
this
is
going
to
be
my
chance
to
do
this,
like
one
hour
crash
course
on.
How
do
you
do
large
scale,
collaborative
development
really
refined
for
okay,
we're
getting
strangers?
Who
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
to
get
on
boarded
but
here's
the
core?
A
But
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
link
in
the
chat
box,
there's
a
part
library
link
in
that
document
and
part
libraries
are
where
you
can
break
anything
down.
Like
you
know,
take
the
house,
you
can
create
a
library
of
parts
that
are
down
to
as
small
apart
as
you
like,
and
each
individual
person
can
take
a
file
from
the
part
library
without
getting
into
any
editing
conflicts,
because
you
simply
have
divided
it
already
and
you're
working
on
individual
parts.
That's
the
kind
of
workflow
that
you
can
simulate.
A
A
A
A
E
B
A
Yeah
so
and
the
other
thing,
so
I
just
sent
a
link
to
your
to
david
log.
Well,
I
didn't
send
a
link
go
to
david
log
on
it.
I
have
a
link
to
our
notes
from
today
there's
a
time
graph,
so
I
will
make
that
part
of
the
protocol,
like
each
person,
adds
to
their
time
graph,
which
is
basically
logging
hours.
A
C
A
A
But,
probably
for
me
like
what
a
couple
assets
I
need
to
generate
as
a
good
one
hour
crash
course
and
okay
bam.
This
is
how
you
get
involved
and
which
would
be
relevant
to
all
the
participants
in
such
an
event,
and
I
think
I
can
do
that
in
an
hour
like
what
you
really
got
to
do
is
really
understand
the
concept
of
how
the
tools
exist.
Now
we
can
do
it,
including
the
cloud
collaborative,
large-scale,
cad,
doable.
A
A
That's
really!
This
is
like
marketing
because
we
got
to
find
all
these
people.
So
I
have
a
ton
of
different
links
at
the
osc
marketing
page,
including
various
communities.
Open
communities
like
fab,
labs,
hacker
spaces,
open
source,
hardware,
journals
other
ones,
there's
a
good
one
under
communities
of
interest.
I'm
gonna
put
that
at
the.
C
A
A
There,
the
one
that
I'm
somewhat
excited
about
is
there's
a.
There,
are
open
source
hardware
journals
and
we
can
probably
find
a
lot
of
people
there.
There's
other
open
project
databases.
So
I'm
going
to
add
that
to
your
logs.
So
you
can
take
a
look
at
that,
but
that's
where
I
would
go
to
find
people
and
bust
out
keep
developing
the
rolodex
of
people
that
are
working
in
the
open
space.
B
And-
and
so
I
mean
I
definitely,
I
definitely
think
like
getting
the
modular
breakdown
yeah
like
getting
that
done
as
soon
as
possible
would
be
really
really
great,
because
then
that
something
you
put
in
front
of
people
where
you
have
these
kind
of
bite-sized
chunks,
where
it's
saying
you
know
hey,
we
we
want
to
see
how
many
great
designs
you
all
can
come
up
with
and
here's
here's
the
different
modules.
You
know
what
do
you
you
know,
what
do
you
think
and
and
using
that
as
kind
of
a
recruiting
tool.
C
A
A
A
B
E
B
B
C
A
I
think
what
I
can
do
is
that's
some
of
the
roles
that
are
critical
to
this
whole
process.
It's
like
the
people
who
are
because
in
the
enterprise
you're
developing
marketing
copy
as
well,
so
there's
a
bunch
of
roles
around
that,
but
I
can
I
mean
on
one
side
it's
the
design
of
the
house,
but
then
there's
the
modular
breakdown
of
all
the
enterprise
elements
and
just
a
much
greater
picture
of
what
a
business
looks
like.
So
maybe,
if
you
have
some.
A
Because
this
gets
into
a
question
of
okay
because
people
are
going
to
be
like
okay,
what
can
she
do?
Well,
it's
almost.
We
have
to
start
by
communicating
what
those
what
all
those
roles
are.
I
think
prop.
That's
that's
part
of
the
breakdown,
so
I
think,
as
as
we
start
doing,
that,
that's
going
to
become
more
self-evident
of
what
what
the
specifics
task
tasks
are,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people.
B
A
B
I
mean
I,
you
know,
I
think
I
think,
on
the
technical
side,
like
the
the
best
way
to
get
that,
while
leaving
the
design
possibilities
still
open
is,
is
just
getting
at
those
critical
interfaces
and
people
who
are
who
understand
each
module
well
enough
to
be
able
to
describe
those
and
then
set.
You
know
what
those
constraints
and
parameters
are.
D
B
A
C
A
A
A
B
My
my
next
steps
is
that
I've
been
focusing
on
the
xc
planning
page
and
and
trying
to
iteratively
build
build
through
these
things.
So
I'm
down
to
where
we're
talking
about
swarming
techniques
and
and
things
like
that,
and
so
I
wanted
to
get
some
information
in
there
about
self-organizing
teams
and
and
these
kinds
of
strategies
that
are
used
pretty
predominantly
in
the
agile
scrum
communities
and
and
also
some
strategies
to
help
people
do
that
on.
B
On
the
day
of,
and
oh
I've
got,
I've
got
a
word
document
that
I've
been
using
kind
of
as
my
guide
here,
but
I
need
to
need
to
get
pulled
up,
but
I
mean
basically
just
trying
to
build
out
that
pre-planning
event
page
and
then
yeah.
If
you
know,
if,
if
you're
ready
to
try
and
do
the
the
modular
breakdown
of
the
the
micro
house,
then-
and
you
feel
like,
I
could
be
a
good
fit
to
help
in
that
process.
I'd
definitely
be
on
board.
For
for
doing.
A
B
A
B
Interesting
yeah,
I
know
I've.
Always
I've
always
been
kind
of
curious,
because
I
guess
it's
like
that,
like
following
open
source
ecology.
My
a
kind
of
mental
conception
of
of
when
ooc
has
has
truly
like
won
or
is
able
to
plant
their
flag
on
the
hill
is,
is
when
basically
it's
it's
gotten
to
a
point
where
individuals
are
able
to
come
in
and
achieve
a
standard
of
living
greater
than
what
they
would
be
able
to
achieve
at
a
minimum
wage
job
full-time.
A
Yeah
well,
that's
I
mean
that's
only
for
the
stalwarts,
I
would
say,
but
I
mean
the
model
of
change
is
more
about.
So
just
just
a
little
overview
here.
2028
is
our
deadline
for
finishing
all
the
gbcs
and
after
that,
it's
about
developing
the
osce
campuses
worldwide.
So
once
the
technology
base
is
available
for
low
cost
replication,
then
we
can
talk
about
okay,
here's
how
we
roll
out
to
different
locations
and
starting
with
making
this
place
fully
functional
right
now,
it's
like
minimal,
there's
nobody!
A
It's
seasonal
right!
Now,
there's
myself
and
katarina
that
are
here
full
time.
So
it's
not!
We
don't
have
like
a
big
operation,
so
first,
it's
of
course
showing
that
this
is
a
fully
viable
facility
with
permanent
people
that
are
besides
ourselves,
because
right
now
we're
doing
things
like
the
summer
of
extreme
design.
Build
you
want
to
turn
on
your
video,
I
think
maybe
you're
in
did
your
internet
improve
any.
A
Yeah,
it's
to
start
building
up
the
program,
so
it's
I
mean
you
know
the
deal
about
volunteer
projects
has
got
huge
turnovers,
so
we
we
haven't
had
stable,
stable
people.
The
discovery
there.
That's
the
exact
reason
why
we're
doing
the
extreme
enterprise
we
have
to
take
it
to
that
level
where
people
can
actually
make
a
living
out
of
this,
and
and
that's
what
we're
really
hitting
hard
right
now,
after
a
decade
of
prototyping,
we're
saying:
okay,
these
are
all
the
enterprises
that
are
ready
to
to
roll
house.
A
Being
I
mean
with
the
cd
home,
have
you
seen
that?
Yes
yeah?
I
mean
with
that?
I
mean
it's
an
amazing
thing
with
the
brick
press,
the
3d
printers,
I
mean
all
these
things
that
are
are
near
finish
line,
which
is
just
plain
amazing,
but
it
requires
that
last
step.
So
what
we're
going
about
it
first
of
all
is
we're
getting
a
3d
printer
business
model
as
a
fully
replicable
business
model
that
we
can
teach
people,
here's
how
you
make
10k
a
month
doing
this.
A
So
this
is
the
distributive
enterprise
concept.
We
teach
how
you
get
into
enterprise
and
then
the
other
thing
is
the
main
thrust.
I
think
right
now
that
we
might
really
take
which
we
are
starting
is
actually
osc
chapters,
people
who
we
train
it's
a
one
or
two
year
immersion,
and
then
you
replicate
an
osce
chapter
by
doing
what
we
already
do,
which
is
we
do
3d
printers
as
a
product.
A
We
do
workshops
of
various
sorts
around
steam
camps
or
other
things,
but
okay
use
that
as
a
base
where
you
work,
you
essentially
work
so
starting
to
believe
in
that
or
practice.
The
post-scarcity
thing
we're
working
essentially
like
a
week
out
of
the
month,
so
revenue
generating
activities
like
a
week
out
of
the
month
and
the
rest
is
further
r
d
until
2028
and
then
like
25
flex
time,
which
you
do
like
stuff,
where
it's
most
relevant
to
what
you
think
is
best
for
open
source
ecology.
A
That's
the
pro
that's
the
program
for
the
the
immersion
program
where
you
come
out
of
it
with
your
micro
factory
that
you're
capable
of
producing
3d
printers,
knowing
how
to
build
them,
source
them
to
teach
freecad
and
basics
of
electronics
and
other
things.
So
that's
that's
the
basic
program
for
chapter
replication
right
now,
so
we
have
that
starting
right
now,
we've
got
a
candidate
from
south
africa
who's
highly
interested.
You
can
look
at
the
video
le
sejo
from
south
africa,
pretty
entrepreneurial
guy,
but
yeah
people
who
see
the
vision
it's
like
wow.
A
This
can
empower
communities
so
he's
really
high
on
that
kind
of
vision.
We're
we're
going
to
build
our
community
from
the
ground
up.
They
got
wealth
of
minerals
like
chromium
and
and
platinum
group
metals
there
that
he's.
Actually
he
did
a
mining
operation
there.
Actually,
interestingly,
that
it's
it's
people
who
are
talking
that
kind
of
language
where
it's
like
hey,
we
got
resources
here
we
want
to
put
them
to
use.
A
We
don't
want
to
be
sucked
by
the
multinationals
and
and
remote
power
centers
we're
gonna,
basically
distribute
basically
a
more
equitable
economic
system
so,
but
that
that's
starting
with
the
the
notion
of
the
oc
chapters,
and
I
think
that's
something
I
can
provide
right
now
like
we're
we're
doing
this
for
a
decade
now.
We
know
how
to
do
certain
things,
so
we
can
start
replicating
that.
But
but
what
we're
trying
to
address
is
people
doing
this
for
a
livelihood.
You
know,
that's
the
that's
the
deal.
C
B
A
B
A
B
B
But
you
know
it's
like
when
I
went
and
looked
at
venus
projects.
There
was
a
lot
of
vision,
but
not
a
lot
of
how
to
to
achieve
that.
You
know
like,
like
you
know
the
the
founder
there
was
talking
about
like
oh
well.
Every
city
will
have
a
factory
and
everything's
run
by
ai,
but
no
no
actual
road
map.
A
B
A
A
No,
I
mean
you're,
absolutely
right.
I
mean
the
venus
projects,
communism
with
robots,
it's
futurism!
It's
I
I
think
you
know
we
haven't
gotten
traction
yet,
but
I
think
we're
on
a
way
to
get
there,
but
we're
talking
about
substance
and
we're
producing
substance
so
and
then
some
people-
actually
you
might
have
noticed.
I
don't
know
if
you
noticed,
but
we
got
it
a
lot
into
the
3d
printers,
but
that's
because
they're
very
fundamental,
because
we're
building
parts
for
the
torch
table.
A
We
want
to
do
things
like
with
a
3d
printer
with
the
3d
printer,
we're
building
things
like
the
shredder
or
the
important
thing
is
printing,
like
up
to
the
house
panels
later
on,
like
modular
house
panels
with
larger
printers
or
rubber
tracks
for
the
tractor.
So
there's
a
huge
realm
of
use
for
the
3d
printer
and
since
all
I
mean
plastic
is
like
one
third
of
the
economy
and
the
3d
printing
is
well
established.
A
Open
source
technology
just
makes
sense
to
go
with
that
as
a
first
robust
economic
model,
because
that's
a
huge,
huge
industry
there.
So
that's
why
we're
doing
that?
So
people
are
like
well.
Why
are
you
doing
like
that?
Instead
of
like
the
big
tractors?
Well
we're
getting
there
we're
working
on
it?
Those
are
all
there.
You
can
pick
them
up
and
build
them
if
you
want,
but
otherwise
we'll
productize
them
as
soon
as
we
can
kind
of
deal.
B
B
A
Very
cool
well
because
actually
I'm
trying
to
actually
get
on
a
bunch
of
different
podcasts
right
now,
because
I'm
finding
that's.
That
could
be
a
really
good
good
place
to
find
people
like
people
who
are
topic
aligned,
yeah,
there's
like,
for
example,
this
guy
I'd
like
to
see
if
he
wants
to
do
a
podcast
for
real
or
live
podcast
or
some
post
scarcity.
A
A
B
You
know
just
just
mentioning
the
open
source:
ecology
would
be
a
pathway
towards
a
more
post-scarcity
style,
economy.
Yeah
and
you
know,
but
I
do
I
do
think
there
there
might
be
some
avenues
also
on
some
some
of
the
like
political
channels
and
things
like
that
that
are
out
there,
because
they're
often
you
know
doing
interviews
with
people
and
sometimes
what
they're
looking
at
doesn't
have
to
be
inherently
political.
B
C
B
And
I
mean
they,
you
know
they.
They
mainly
do
like
in
the
and
then
journalism
and
they're,
covering
the
protests
and
they're
covering
they're
they're
doing
a
a
tour.
That's
called
not
not
america,
the
farewell
tour,
that's
chris
hedges
thing,
but
so
something
along
the
lines
of
like
the
controlled
demolition
of
the
middle
class,
as
as
a
docu
series
that
they're
that
they're
working
on,
but
you
know
they
they
travel
around.
B
I
think
they're
on
tour
right
now,
so,
if
they're,
if
they
are
headed
out
to
missouri,
I
mean
that
that
could
be
an
opportunity
to
actually
say
hey.
You
know
this
is
this.
Is
the
and
here's
here's
the
pitch
and
I
know
I
know
they've
got
a
pretty
regular
audience
of
a
couple
thousand
people
and
so
yeah.
A
We're
gonna
be
yeah.
We
definitely
want
to
yeah
I'm
up
for
all
kinds
of
things
regarding
on-site,
not
really
media.
Already
right
now
I
mean
our
place.
Doesn't
look
great.
The
thing
is
like
people
don't
understand
like
when
we
build
something
like
we
take
it
apart
and
use
it
for
the
next
machine.
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
stuff
lying
around.
A
That's
really
picturesque
outside,
maybe
the
cdc
home,
and
maybe
the
tractor
and
some
other
things,
but
now
we're
trying
to
keep
it
away
for
publicity
reasons
for
pr
reasons,
but
we
are
definitely
gonna
get
this
place,
looking
really
good
like
in
a
couple
of
years,
so
that
will
be
media
already
in
the
future,
but
not
yet.
I'd
definitely
be
quite
interested
in
appearing
on
all
these
things,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
times
we
speak
only
to
our
audience,
which
is
primarily
the
open
source
linux,
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
A
B
A
A
Yes
yeah,
so
there's
a
link
all
these
things
I
mentioned
they're
linked
at
the
discussion,
notes
there
but
yeah.
Definitely.
Definitely
I
want
to
reach
out
to
a
bunch
of
people
like
really
trying
to
find
you
know
the
thing
like
with
extreme
enterprise
and
other
things
like
find
me,
the
first
ever
authentic
distributive
enterprise.
A
Besides
ourselves,
I
really
don't
know
of
anyone,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
that's
going
to
become
pretty
common
in
a
few
years,
like
I
think,
with
the
extreme
enterprise
event
and
some
of
the
other
stuff
we're
doing
like
once
we
get
the
business
on
the
3d
printer.
That's
we're
strong,
hey
we're
making
money
and
people
are
actually
getting
jobs,
we're
going
to
start
creating
noise
right
now,
it's
still
the
dark
ages,
but
I
think
they're.
The
dark
ages
are
pretty
soon
to
end.
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
other
other
things
that
I
I
find
like
similar
was
so
there's
donella
meadows,
it's
like
a
very
old
school,
okay
and,
and
so
she
should
end
up
setting
up
like
a
sustainable
community
out
in
in
new
hampshire,
and
so
you
know
I
mean
those
those
communities
tend
to
be
fairly
well
off.
Like
retirees-
and
you
know,
people
like
that,
but
I
do
think
that
the
open
source
ecology
model
could
also
resonate
there.
A
A
Yeah,
no,
we
need
a
little
bit
collaboration
but
yeah.
It's
fascinating,
like
just
the
insights,
about
collaboration
that
we
we
do
not
collaborate
and
like
economically.
No
it's
such
an
interesting
year.
I
hope,
like
in
a
few
hundred
years,
we're
like
looking
back
at
this
as
just
like
we're
looking
at
the
dark
ages.
Today,
500
years
ago,
it's
like
holy
cow.
What
was
up
with
these
people
that
they
couldn't
collaborate,
or
you
know
just
people
were
so
marginalized
or
just
backwards.
A
A
Yeah
we're
definitely
on
on
a
good
track,
so
keep
going
at
it
all
right
man
well,
so
that
was
good
yeah
if
you
have
any
specific
suggestions
or
introductions
to
some
of
these
podcasts
and
make
sure
you
listen
to
various
circles
like
that,
introduce
us
recommend
us
and
stuff
like
that.
Definitely
love
to
be
honest.