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From YouTube: Martin Hauer of DIN SPEC 3105
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Meet Martin - who developed the open hardware spec, DIN SPEC 3105. http://blog.oshpark.com/2020/01/11/open-source-hardware-in-industry-meet-din-spec-3105/
Here we talk about the Open Source Hardware revolution, yet to be delivered.
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A
A
A
That
idea,
which
is
really
like
solving
for
the
last
frontier
of
of
human
economics,
which
is
distribution
right,
but
how
we
maybe
use
your
model
to
you
know
what
we
can
learn
from
it
and
obviously
continue
forward.
It
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
very
interesting
stuff
happening
with
respect
to
that
consciousness.
That
collaborative
product
development
could
actually
be
real
and
we
are,
and
just
to
let
you
know,
we
are
planning
a
major
next
move
in
a
what
we
call
extreme
enterprise.
D
A
But
the
idea
that
you
know
just
to
kind
of
tell
you
the
kind
of
mental
framework
coming
into
this
so
far,
I
think.
Well,
I
think
it's
agreed
that
hardware
has
not
solved
for
the
last
step
of
product
development.
Open
hardware
and
you've
got
a
lot
of
crappy
stuff
out
there.
That's
not
ever
finished,
because
the
open
source
method,
at
least
in
our
experience,
we've
never
solved
people
showing
up
that
question
of
getting
enough
people
to
show
up.
E
A
A
So
we're
saying,
let's
do
a
highly
architected
event
where
we
vet
vet,
the
people
coming
to
it,
but
basically
a
hackathon
kind
of
like
a
like
a
startup
camp
thing,
but
very,
very
explicitly
architected
for
getting
enough
people
to
show
up
and
having
a
real
product
come
out
the
other
side
of
that,
because,
ultimately,
I
think
we
have
to
solve
the
issue
of
there's
a
corporation.
You
know:
they've
got
million
dollar
budgets
for
product
development,
they
take
a
year
and
a
team
of
10
to
100
people
and
they
develop
a
product.
A
F
A
You
know
the
next
person
comes
in
either
the
documentation
is
missing
or
they
you
know
they
don't
collaborate
and
they
think
they
can
do
better
without
listening
to
anyone
else
and
all
together.
The
amount
of
effort
and
cost
trans
transcends
the
amount
that
a
simple
corporation
in
a
private
setting
would
do
they
just
fund
it
and
get
it
done
within
a
million
bucks
or
something,
and
then
they
have
a
real
product.
So
so,
right
now
open
source
hardware
is
very,
very
expensive.
A
It's
not
we
haven't
solved
for
that
part,
but
anyway,
that's
that's
the
kind
of
mindset.
I
I'm
really
exploring
these
days
and
the
point
being.
We
are
going
to
plan
on
a
well-publicized,
funded
event
where
you
have
money
to
prototype
and
to
prepare
for
this
to
just
get
enough
people
to
show
up
and
people
with
the
right
skill
sets
to
show
up
based
on
an
ethical.
A
It's
really
an
ethical
thing.
It's
like
we're
saying
this
product
will
be
open
to
anybody.
So
this
kind
of
transcends
the
model
of
a
corporation,
where
I
think
a
corporation
would
have
a
hard
time
pulling
together
an
event
like
that,
unless
they
completely
absorb
the
open,
open
principles
which
does
not
exist
right
now,
everyone's
pretty
much
proprietary
and
you
get
the
patents
and
all
that
so
so
I
think,
there's
a
chance
to
sell,
show
something
completely
different
and
something
that
it
can
be
a
transition
to
the
next
economy.
A
So
that's,
you
know
high
goals,
but
we
got
to
do
an
experiment
on
so
we're
planning
on
probably
like
within
six
months
to
a
year
from
now
to
host
an
event
and
called
an
extreme
enterprise
event.
It
would
be
like
a
weekend
24
hours,
2
000
people
between
I'm
saying
between
500
and
2000
people.
It
would
have
to
be
remote,
that's
kind
of
how
we're
thinking
about
it
and
right
now
we're
thinking
the
idea
of
a
house,
an
affordable,
a
thousand
dollar
house
thousand
square
foot
house
hundred
square
meter
house.
A
So
guaranteed
people
will
show
up
for
this.
Absolutely
we
can
make
it
hyper
modular
like
we
did
with
open
building
institute.
So
we've
got,
I
mean,
there's
prior
art
to
how
you
can
do
modular,
low-cost
housing,
but
that's
a
problem
well
worth
solving
and
many
people
will
show
up.
So,
let's
see
if
we
can
architect
an
event.
So
basically,
yes,
let's
try
this
where
we
show
a
very
very
clear
example:
there's
all
this
effort
that
has
been
produced
with
the
absolute
open
source,
intent
and
product.
A
B
D
A
A
E
A
B
A
B
Regarding
housing,
no
okay,
but
coming
back
to
the
original
question:
what's
what's
up
next,
so
we
have
with
standard
and
now
it's
time
to
enforce
it,
so
we're
building
a
community
of
reviewers.
That
then,
would
check
the
hardware
designs
out
there
and
create
a
list
so
a
central
repository
of
real
open
source
hardware,
and
this
is
to
facilitate
design,
reuse,
basically
of
production
ready
hardware.
E
B
And
those
kind
of
things
as
production
is
not
the
big
issue.
The
development
costs
are
the
issues
in
the
business
model.
Production
is
actually
easy,
so
anyone
likes
to
produce
screws
or
whatever.
So
when
there's
a
free
design,
there
shouldn't
be
a
big
threshold
too,
to
build
it
in
the
end.
So
we've
done
some
work
regarding
solving
this
liability
question
about
it,
and
I'm
writing
a
guideline
about
that.
So
that
is
easy
to
understand.
B
B
I
had
a
few
weeks
ago,
a
chat
with
a
guy
in
the
us
who
wanted
to
build
a
ventilator
for
this
cobit
19
thing
and
did
a
quick
search
for
open
source
hardware
ventilators
and
found
about
20
different
designs
that
have
not
been
collaborating
so
20
individual
designs,
so
a
huge
amount
of
development
work
that
has
been
done
side
by
side,
yeah
and
also
no
big
modularity
of
the
design
itself.
They
distribute
the
whole
machine
and
not
like
this
is
the
basic
frame.
B
This
is
the
power
supplies
at
this
stab,
and
so
you
can
interchange
these
modules.
So
with
this
graph
database,
we
try
to
solve
exactly
that
that
you
find
modules
like
in
software.
You
find
modules
for
your
specific
domain
and
you
also
see
the
interface.
So
I
can
software
the
api,
how
these
modules
communicate
and
how
you
put
them
together,
yeah
and
then,
with
the
related
metadata,
that
you
would
need
for
manufacturing,
so
tolerances,
surface
finishing
and
that
stuff.
A
B
So,
within
the
steamspec
project
that
was
funded
by
the
standardization
institute,
we
won
a
competition.
So
I
was,
I
employed
myself
of
the
organization
and
then
some
guys
wrote
a
huge
proposal
to
the
european
union
to
build
up
the
ict
infrastructure
for
source
hardware.
That
is
this
that
contains
this
graph
database
that
I
just
mentioned.
B
They
are
usually
not
that
open,
but
within
this
organization
there's
a
department
which
is
kind
of
free
and
yeah.
I
can.
I
can
work
pretty
openly
there,
so
we
are
officially
allowed
to
share
everything
that
we
do
with
the
general
public
and
the
free
license,
and
as
we
can
do
so,
I
can
also
work
with
my
private
linux
laptop
and
not
with
this
windows
stuff,
and
I
can
also
work
with
externs
over
the
community.
A
A
Degeneracy
stuff,
I
mean
what
are
your
thoughts
on
it
on
the
you
know,
like
one
common
project
that
you
know
like,
for
example,
the
fab
labs,
like
would
be
great
suggestion
if
they
actually
made
it
a
project
to
okay,
open
source,
one
machine
after
the
other,
so
you
have
the
full
open
source
micro
factory
spec
out
there,
that
people
are
using
uniform
tools,
but
part
of
it
is
defining
defining
that
specification.
What
what
that
is
and
that'll
be
actually
an
interesting
project.
A
B
No,
I
joined
the
first
meetings
and
the
same
one
that
wrote
the
first
version
of
the
open.
Nowhere
standard
is
now
working
on
this
machine
standard
and
I
didn't
really
like
the
version
one
because
there's
a
simply
structure
missing.
It's
just
a
list
of
interesting
information,
so
discoverability
standard,
but
it's
hard
to
build
upon
it.
So
who's.
B
So
it's
meant
for
people
that
want
to
write
on
on
standardization
without
getting
familiar
with
git,
which
is
a
good
idea,
but
the
whole
platform
was
proprietary
and
is
yet
having
a
vendor
lock
in
so
it's
impossible
to
export
the
source
of
the
standard,
and
those
are
some
main
reasons
why
we
don't
want
to
continue
with
this
yeah.
Oh.
A
B
C
D
D
A
B
Well,
a
few
if
two
or
three
years
ago
there
was
a
major
change
in
people
in
the
in
the
standardization
institute
so
from
the
president
down
to
some
department
leads
people
changed
and
hence
the
mindset.
So
it's
much
more
open.
They
tended
to
be
quite
alive
and
a
little
arrogant
in
the
past
and
now
they're
open
to
fresh
new
ideas
and
notice
that
standardization
itself
has
to
change
and
a
year
afterwards
we
came
along
and
told
them
about
open
source
and
everyone
liked
it.
B
B
So
there's
one
about
digitalization
and
another
one
about
circular
economy,
especially
with
government
19.
They
have,
there
has
been
a
surprising
interest
towards
circular
economy
and
how
digital
manufacturing
can
work
to
diversify.
The
the
supply
chains
that
we
have
europe
doesn't
build
anything
china
builds
stuff.
So
when
the
supply
chains
crush,
we
cannot
act.
B
Basically
same
applies
for
services
and
it's
totally
in
transparent
and
now
with
coveted
crushed
and
also
for
climate
change,
and
all
these
things
there's
a
huge
need
for
new
solutions
and
industry
is
simply
not
prepared
for
that,
and
open
source
hardware
gives
a
very
nice
all-in-one
solution.
So
that's
why
people.
A
B
D
A
F
A
This
is
the
actual
the
modular
house
that
we
built
in
five
days
with
50
people.
So
this
is
the
extreme
manufacturing
the
swarm
build
kind
of
stuff.
But
that's
that's
the
seed
home.
That's
that's
where
we
are
so
so.
The
learnings
for
the
house
project
would
be
based
on
a
modular
construction
that
this
was
kind
of
like
the
highlight
of
like
the
latest
of
our
builds
ever
using
modular
construction.
A
A
So
right
now
we're
we've
got
the
3d
printers
that
are
out
as
products
and
we're
doing
steam,
camps
and
workshops
and
that's
enough
to
bootstrap
fund
us,
but
we
want
to
basically,
I
think,
we're
ready
to
replicate
that
in
different
locations,
so
we're
actually
starting
a
explicit
effort
where
we're
starting
chapters
so
a
one
year
immersion
and
then
we're
start
we're
getting
people
to
start
chapters
in
different
locations
doing
the
same
stuff.
So
that
means
making
printers
doing
the
education
workshops
other
things.
A
But
the
idea
there
is.
We
worked
out.
Some
pretty
good
production
ergonomics
production
engineering
on
a
printer
we
can
do
like
build
two
two
printers
per
person
per
day
is
our
figure,
which
is
very
competitive.
I
mean
I
prusa
does
like
one
third,
like
I
think,
two
or
four
times
less
than
that.
Well
like.
If
you
look
at
per
person
per
day,
they're
they're,
like
one
half
or
something
or
maybe
one
we
do
like
two,
so
we're
definitely
very
competitive
on
that.
And
of
course,
you
gotta
talk
about
quality
control
and
all
that.
A
But
the
idea
is
spend
one
week
in
a
month
doing
production
revenue
generating
activity,
and
then
you
can
contribute
the
rest
of
it
to
further
research
and
development,
because
the
plan
is
still
2028
is
the
finishing
of
the
global
village.
Construction
set
we're
about
one-third
done,
we've
done
a
lot
of
prototyping,
but
there's
much
more
to
go,
and
we
recognize
now
that
there's
the
whole
next
level,
which
is
if
you
talk
about
enterprise.
E
A
A
As
those
those
things
are
very
important
like
we
we
did,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
the
builds
of
the
other
machines
and
the
houses.
Those
could
be
developed
into
business
models
right,
but
the
3d
printer.
That's
the
easiest
thing
right
now
to
do
that,
we
can
generate
revenue
with
plus
that
that
leads
to
making
parts
for
other
things
like
parts
for
the
larger
machines
like
the
cnc,
torch
table
or
tracks
for
the
tractors
like
rubber
tracks,
I
mean
that's.
A
We
want
to
do
all
of
that,
including
printing
four
by
eight
foot
panels
for
the
houses
themselves.
I
mean
using
recycled
filament
like
that's
part
of
the
deal,
but
we're
starting
with
that
idea
is
one
so
in
the
in
the
replication
program
of
starting
osce
chapters,
you
would
incorporate
an
official
branch.
You
do
one
week
of
production
and
the
rest
is
r
d.
A
So
if
we
develop
the
low-cost
ways
to
to
build
infrastructures
and
micro-civilizations,
and
we
can
replicate
that
worldwide
as
all
kinds
of
operations
from
from
sustainable
agriculture
to
micro
factories
to
full
osce
campuses,
like
the
the
chapters
part
is
where
the
people
are
getting
onboarded,
but
the
the
bigger
part
of
that
is
starting.
An
actual
facility
like
we
have
here
so
you've
got
buildings.
A
A
But
then,
if
you
want
to
go
further
with
that,
the
longer
term
plan
is
to
replicate
basically
these
points
of
light
that
serve
to
rebuild
the
local
economies,
basically
circular
economies
and
along
the
creation
of
the
open
source
economy.
So
the
next
major
frontier
is
solving
for
the
enterprise
question.
That's
why
I
brought
up
the
extreme
enterprise
aspect,
because
we
still
don't
we
don't
have
an
organization.
Yet
I
mean
the
the
thing
about
turnover.
That's
been
a
constant
issue.
A
Our
budget
over
the
last
decade
was
like
1.3
million
dollars
altogether,
so
we
just
kind
of
built
putting
most
of
that
into
prototyping
things
and
not
really
staff,
just
a
lot
of
prototyping
and
a
lot
of
turnover
of
people.
So
this
is
where
we're
saying:
okay,
let's
get
people
in
a
much
more
committed
fashion.
Do
the
immersion
training
as
the
route
to
do
that
for
the
osc
chapters.
B
So
the
tools
itself
should
be
open
source
as
well,
and
so
it
depends
on
the
on
the
hardware
that
you
want
to
produce,
and
that
is
within
your
scope
of
your
maybe
end
users
or
customers,
so
that
what
you
need
in
your
case,
you
focus
a
lot
on
on
hands-on
stuff
and
specifically
for
the
global
innovation
at
the
global
british
construction
set.
So
that
is
especially
interesting
for
for
development
collaboration.
A
The
fab
academy
was
one
guy,
for
example,
dan
meyer,
who
we
just
ran
into
who
runs
a
fab
lab
in
in
chicago
that
we're
talking
about
collaboration,
but
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean
we've
rubbed
shoulders
with
a
lot
of
things
like
this,
but
a
lot
of
times.
It's
like
there
are
definitely
barriers
to
to
collaboration.
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For
like
scarcity,
that
oh,
we
can't
transform
dirt
and
twigs
into
advanced
civilization,
because
there's
not
enough
energy.
No
there's
plenty
of
energy,
so
but
society
has
is
very
much
trapped
in.
I
would
say
that
200
years
of
industrial
inertia
since
the
industrial
revolution
and,
of
course,
more
history
when
we
were
primitive
and
fighting
for
survival,
so
we're.
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Just
for
that
and
later
on
it
went
down
again,
don't
know,
and
so
is
it
one
company
one
huge
monopoly
or
is
it
a
bunch
of
companies?
Do
the
replacement
parts
match
together
and
who
does
the
service?
Who
does
the
updates?
Because
there
is
ongoing
research
and
coordinating
what
happens
to
all
these
ventilators
afterwards?
So
with
this,
with
that
specific
case,
we
have
like
an
example
case
for
any
issue
of
humanity.
So
I'm
kind
of
surprised
why
a
collaboration
doesn't
happen
in
domains
where
this
is
highly
needed,
especially
in
development
collaboration.
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Basically,
so
you
can
do
prototyping
anywhere,
you
don't
you
actually.
Even
we
don't
need
electricity
to
do
that
to
to
because
their
solar
cells
inside
and
stuff,
like
that.
So
that
was
very
interesting
and
organizations
got
interested
in
that
because
that's
a
whole
new
approach
about
how
impact
can
double
and
multiply
after
you
leave
the
project.
So
what
happens
with
all
your
deliverables
afterwards,.
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Yeah
me
neither
they,
they
are
very
bad
at
marketing
off.
Apparently,
because
I
heard
about
the
this
pine-
something
laptop
and
a
bunch
of
others,
and
either
they're
not
open
source
at
all,
just
taking
the
label
or
they
are
very
weak
laptops,
and
you
cannot
really
work
with
them,
so
they
combine
both
and
they
started
with
graphic
cards
for
very
old
computers
and
they're
the
most
open
source
laptop
that
I've.
Seen
so
far,
you
can
even
the
the
pcb
on
where
the
cpu
sets
is
open
source.
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Yeah,
the
chips
are
open,
the
chips
are
open.
The
only
chip
that
is
not
open
is
the
cpu
itself
because
they
are
asking
for
that.
But
it's
the
most
open
cpu
that
you
can
buy
as
the
the
pcb
round
is
open
and
they're
trying
to
solve
that,
but
are
the
chips
on
there?
They
have
also
a
self-designed
chip
on
the
laptops
which
controls
the
the
hardware.
So
you
can
shut
down
specific
modules
of
the
laptop
or
see
how
the
batteries
are
doing
and
stuff
like
that,
and
that's
all
open.
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There
are
superman
steven
coverts
is
yeah
is
one
of
these
main
persons,
the
other
one
susana
is
doing
most
of
the
administrative
stuff,
but
stephen
is
behaved
of
almost
everything
happening
there.
Also
this
tragedy
and
things
and
he's
very
much
into
the
open
culture,
but
much
more
on
the
human
side
of
things,
not
so
much
on
the
technical
side.
That's
why
they
opened
an
office
together
with
open
source
ecology,
germany
to
to
cover
the
technical
part
of
it.
So
we
have
one
office
together.
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I
guess
they
were
working
on
a
on
an
open
source
platform
to
a
competent
database.
Basically,
so
you
say
that
yet
people
walk
into
a
fablab
and
ask
for
someone
who
can
do
this
this
and
that
so
specific
engineers
and
deliver
jobs,
and
they
thought
this
process
could
be
formalized
and
brought
to
an
online
platform
and
that's
what
they're
doing
right
now,
so
they
try
to
connect
or
to
make
fab
labs
feasible
for
causal
industry
things,
so
this
may
be
in
in
their
scope.
Yes,.
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Yeah
I
I've
touched
base
with
some
of
the
fab
labs,
but
I
mean
a
lot
of
them
when
you're
coming
from
the
education
world,
your
money
comes
from
a
different
place
and
say
you're,
a
teacher
unless
you
see
the
greater
picture
of
the
distributed
economy
that
takes
away
from
your
time
of
being
a
teacher.
So
there's
a
fundamental,
you
can
say
a
conflict
of
interest
in
some
way,
like
that's
the
reason
why
I
would
assess
like
say:
neil
gershenfeld,
I
mean
he's
got
his
hands
in
high-tech
research
for
him.
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I
mean
he
talks
about
that,
but
the
way
it's
structured
right
now
does
not
really
align
well
with
that
kind
of
mission
like,
for
example,
one
thing
I
can
point
out
is
so
everyone
works
on
their
own
project
there
right.
Well,
what
if
you
took
made
the
fab
academy
into
a
thing
where
everybody
is
working
on
one
thing
that
actually
take
to
market
something
really
good.
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But
that's
that's
not
in
a
scope.
I
can
ask,
maybe
ask
neil,
if
he's
interested
in
that,
but
I
don't
think
he's
he
is
particularly
interested.
Well
could
try
we'll
see,
but
that's
definitely
how
I
would
do
it.
I
mean
just
collaborative
the
collaborative
part
and
that's
what
I
mean
like
a
lot
of
people
of
the
collaborative
part.
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So
I
guess
this
model
is
maybe
transformable
for
the
human
mindset.
When
we
feel
that
there
are
low
resources
like
money
or
stuff
and
a
lot
of
danger
out
there,
then
it's
much
better
to
compete
and
make
your
land
and
and
ensure
that
and
it's
also
a
safe
way.
That's
what
we're
doing
anyway.
The
best
business
model
in
in
capitalism
is
based
on
dependencies,
so
people
need
to
go
to
you,
but
it's
it's
also.
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I
always
ask
people
what's
the
point
of
your
business,
why
are
you
doing
what
you're
doing?
What
do
you
actually
want
to
do
about?
What's
your
aim,
if
your
aim
is
easy,
profit
for
low
level,
then
open
source
is
maybe
not
your
thing,
but
if
you're,
but
if
you're
aiming
for
a
problem
solution
for
everybody
for
for
and
anywhere
in
the
world,
so
then
open
source
may
be
a
powerful
tool
for
you
and
then
let's
make
your
product
feasible
for
that
yeah.
It's
a
tool.
A
No,
that's
a
good
point.
If
you
want
to
solve
big
problems,
you
have
to
go
open
source.
If
you,
if
you're,
just
not
really
pushing
the
dial
on
anything,
then
you're
proprietary,
pretty
much,
I
mean
it's
kind
of
cruel
way
to
say
it,
but
it's
really
true.
If
you
want
to
solve
bigger
problems,
you
have
to
go
open
source.
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I
had
to
talk
with
the
indian
student
in
berlin
and
he
said
that
he
comes
from
an
organization
in
kerala
india,
where
they
have
open
source
hardware
within
the
educational
system,
so
from
very
early
age
on
like
saying
four
or
five
years
old,
they
cannot
even
they
cannot
write,
but
they
can
code
arduinos
and
until
after
university.
So
they
have
the
full
chain
of
of
educational
things,
brushed
up
with
open
source
hardware
based
on
that,
and
this
is
to
enable
them
to
found
their
own
businesses
after
university.
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Now,
there's
coordination
loss
there,
but
no,
I
think,
all
together
we're
not
designed
to
collaborate.
Well
like
that.
Yet
what
else?
So,
maybe
regarding
like
a
good
if
we
talk
about
distributed
enterprises,
say
we're
getting
up
the
open
source
everything
store
where
people
are
able
to
buy
products
or
buy
the
enterprises.
A
What
product
in
your
mind
would
be
the
most
suitable
product
outside
of
ours
here
that
people
are
willing
to
actually
show
you
how
you
produce
that,
and
they
already
have
that,
because
I
think
for
a
lot
of
products
would
be
like
we.
We
have
to
rework
the
production
engineering
to
make
it
easier
to
build
or.
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B
There
are
also
a
million
different
designs,
but
I've
seen
the
hang
printer
a
few
weeks
ago,
so
ruler
that
you
can
attach
to
the
ceiling
and
pretty
amazing,
yep
and
also
microcontrollers
are
good
or
anything
that
you
can
construct
microcontrollers
with,
because
there's
a
huge
scene
behind
that,
and
so
many
things.
I
think
that
you
can
do
with
microcontrollers.
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Okay,
but,
for
example,
for
the
microcontroller,
does
somebody
make
an
open
source
microcontroller
that
they're
willing
to
teach
you
outside
of
arduino,
I
mean
arduino.
I
don't
think
they
they're
in
the
business
of
teaching
others
how
to
produce
arduinos.
Are
they
probably
not,
but
is
there
some
some
open
source
tool,
chainable
open
source,
producible
arduino
that
are
not
arduino
but
a
microcontroller?
That's
a
decent
one,
because
we're
actually
doing.
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B
I
would
need
to
look
that
up,
but
but
I
saw
the
laptop
yeah
and
he
did
it
open
source
from
the
beginning.
So
I'm
pretty
sure
it's
somewhere
here,
but
there's
this
laptop
doesn't
have
really
pointable
keys
because
they're,
heavy
and
big,
and
so
they
try
to-
and
that
takes
a
lot
of
time
to
print
them.