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A
About
we're
still
good
we're
still
7
34,
okay
well
anyway.
Thank
you.
This
is
good.
Thank
you
for
applying
and
just
remind
me
so
what?
How
long
ago
have
you
found
out
about
our
work.
B
So
I've
been
following
for
probably
over
a
year
now
probably
closer
to
two
tzm.
I
don't
know
if
you've
heard
of
them
zeitgeist
movement.
B
In
there
that
are
that
just
post
different
solutions
that
are
available
that
are
around
that
people
are
working
on
and
the
osc
was
really
interesting
to
me
just
making
hardware
things
that
are
more
practical
in
nature.
Like
I,
I've
been
kind
of
going
along
the
track
of
we
need
boots
on
ground.
We
need
to
get
something
going
and
you
can
have
all
the
ideas
and
all
the
ambition
and
all
the
idealism,
but
until
it's
put
into
some
physicality
or
something
tangible,
you
know
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
help
so
much.
You
know.
A
Yeah,
you
know
great,
but
what's
your
program,
you
know
right.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
anyway,
so
regarding
the
work
component,
so
diving
right
in
here.
First,
maybe
let
me
ask
you
so:
did
you
have
a
period
of
time
where
you
kind
of
got
radicalized
and
just
started
looking
at
okay,
what's
the
state
of
the
world,
or
has
it
been
gradual
for
you
or
is
this
like
you
said
since
a
year
ago
you
found
out
about
this?
Were
you
on
this
kind
of
path
for
a
long
time,
or
is
this
new
to
you?
A
B
Think,
even
when
I
was
younger,
I've
always
kind
of
questioned
why
things
were
the
way
they
were
when
I
was
going
to
school.
Obviously
you
know
how
the
education
system
is
you
just
you
memorize
facts.
You
rinse,
you
repeat,
and
you
know
enough
to
graduate,
but
then
you
don't
use
anything
or
you.
You
know
you're
over
employed
underemployed,
whatever
yeah.
So
when
I
became
an
adult,
it
just
became
more
clear
to
me
that
there
this
is
wrong.
B
B
So
I'm
30
30
now
so
I've
been
in
the
computer
science,
the
I.t
technology
industry
for
about
10
years
now.
A
10
years
now,
yeah
so
the
company,
so
you
start
a
com.
Do
you
work
for
yourself
or
do
you
do?
Are
you
employed
by
someone
so.
B
I
I
did
start
an
llc,
I
I
wrote
a
few
things
out
about
what
the
llc
was
supposed
to
be.
I
just
went
ahead
and
you
know,
did
the
documentation
and
got
the
got
it
official,
but
I
wanted
to.
I
didn't
want
to
make
change.
I
wanted
to
figure
out
how
I
could
help.
I
wanted
to
work
with
non-profits
in
the
web
development,
and
I.
B
You
know
I
haven't,
I
haven't
really
been
able
to
do
that.
I
I've
tried
to
and
then
I
have
to
go
to
work
so
there's
not
really
much
time
between
me
working
and
then
trying
to
meet
with
people
during
the
same
business
hours.
So
that's
the
first
thing
yeah.
You
know
right
now,
I'm
on
to
99
contract,
so
I'm
essentially
paying
myself
and
paying
for
my
own
insurance
through
my
llc
and
that's
that's
how
that
works.
Now.
A
Yeah,
actually,
the
way
we're
looking
at
is
when
we
train
people
it's
we,
we
actually
favor
that
people
set
up
their
own
enterprises
and
we
collaborate
as
as
a
movement.
That's
I
feel
that
that's
the
most
entrepreneurial
route
that
allows
most
growth
of
the
movement
as
a
whole
as
a
distributed
organization,
so,
instead
of
trying
to
centralize
as
an
org,
so
it's
there
is
definitely
innovation
on
the
organizational
front.
How
do
I
actually
get
this
movement
spread
worldwide
right
but
interesting?
A
But
let
me
ask
you
this,
so
so
are
you
from
from
the
immersion
apprenticeship?
Are
you
actually
looking
to
to
switch
into
that
full-time
does?
Is
that
your
your
goal?
That's.
B
That's
something
I've
been
strongly
considering,
as
I
mentioned
before,
I've
since
the
pandemic,
I've
been
able
to
save
I've,
been
able
to
you.
A
B
B
A
A
B
So
I
checked
the
schedule
and
your
schedule's
eight
to
five
and
central
time.
I
I
assume
I
work
from
seven
to
three
east
coast
time,
so
that
probably
won't
work.
You
know
I
I
would
just
have
to
save
as
much
money
as
I
could
and
try
to
arrange
something
or
figure
out
another
solution
with
with
ose,
but
osc
is
something
that
I
want
to
participate
in.
You
know
and
in
really
any
level.
B
The
reason
why
I
wanted
to
become
a
builder
was
because
I
have
been
looking
at
land
and
I
I
do
want
to
take
part
in
building
it
myself.
You
know
instead
of
buying
something
that's
already
built
and
I'm
subject
to
the
regulations
and
codes.
I
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
push
for
building
eco
villages
and
starting
other
alternative
communities
or
intentional
communities,
so
that
was
that
was
something
that
I
would
like
to
see
would
have
liked
to
see
myself
participating
in
the
future.
B
But
you
know
right
now:
it's
really
about
me
trying
to
get
one
foot,
the
other
foot
out
of
the
working
world.
You
know
I
have
one
foot
in
now,
because
I
go
to
work.
Every
day
and
one
foot
out
trying
to
research
opportunities
trying
to
move
in
the
direction
of
out
of
the
economic
cycle
rat
race.
A
Right
so,
if
you
were
to
say
you
were
to
commit
the
six
months
to
full-time
learning,
there's
also
the
enterprise
track
in
the
evenings,
though
so
like
after
hours
night
school
is
5
30
to
8
every
night
during
the
summer
of
extreme
design
build
those
three
months
will
be
like
five
days
a
week
or
so
initially
during
the
the
apprenticeship.
The
two
months
before
would
be
more
like
a
couple
two
or
three
times
in
the
evenings
too.
I
mean
it
really.
A
If
you
want
to
succeed
at
it,
I
mean
the
thing
I
would
definitely
suggest
is:
okay.
You
really
got
to
throw
yourself
into
it,
because
there's
a
lot
of
learning
the
learning
curve
is
there.
If
you
I
mean
you
basically
get
the
benefit.
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
decade
here
and
now
you
can
get
the
absolute
lowdown
of
all
the
learnings
in
a
super
short
time,
but
to
get
the
most
out
of
it.
You'd
have
to
put
in
the
most
time
you
can
during
the
short
time
that
you
hear
in
the
six
months.
A
I
think
that's
absolutely
realistic
that
you
learn
to
be
a
builder
if
you
wanna,
if
we
go
about
doing
the
the
cd
go
home
enterprise
as
a
realistic
option
that
can
bootstrap
fund
this,
that's
an
absolute
reality,
so
that's
that's
an
option,
but
can
would
you
be
able
to
make
it
work
that
yeah?
I
mean
you
when
you,
when
you're
here,
you're
pretty
much
immersed
in
it.
So
otherwise
it's
like
I
mean
like
changing
the
world.
I
always
say
it's:
it's
it's
not
a
part-time
job.
You
know.
B
Right
exactly-
and
I
I
was
looking
around
at
that
yesterday,
so
I
saw
the
summer
of
extreme
design
build.
So
that's
that's
a
shorter
path.
There's
the
remote
option.
I
don't
feel
like
either
of
those
options
are
necessarily
for
me.
If
I'm
gonna
really
do
it
all
I'll,
just
go
the
whole,
do
the
whole
training
and
once
I'm
there
I
I
think
I'll
be
fine.
I
mean
that
there
will
be
other
challenges
and
other
learning
curves
for
me
to
overcome,
but
really
right
now.
I
think
the
main
thing
is
parting
ways
with
this.
B
This
lifestyle-
and
you
know
I
like
I
said
I
just
started
working
there
a
few
months
ago
and
saying
well,
I'm
either
you
do
something
later
for
me,
you
you
have
me,
have
me
come
back
or
I
just
have
to
leave
you
know
and
is:
is
that
something
that's
financially
feasible?
A
B
No,
it's
it's
it's
serving
two
masters
at
once,
so
I
can't
remain
committed
to
this
and
then
try
to
commit
to
open
source
psychology.
You
know
I
it's
right
now,
at
least
for
the
apprenticeship,
it's
one
or
the
other,
and
the
way
I
see
it,
I've
been
in
the
industry
for
long
enough.
I
can
find
work,
I
get
emails
and
things
all
the
time.
So
it's
really
just
something
I
need
to
let
go
of.
I
don't
think
that
the
problem
will
actually
be
the
on-site
and
the
learning
process.
A
A
B
So
that
was
the
main
thing.
I
think
it
was
more
around
the
the
economic
financial
side
of
things,
but
that's
just
something
I'll
have
to
work
out.
What
would
you
recommend
about
going
further
into
the
no
car
and
off
grid
thing?
So
I
know
that
you
make
trips
to
pick
up
people
once
a
week
and
then
there's
a
certain
amount
of
space
in
like
on-site
and
then
there's
a
primitive
campsite.
A
Yeah,
actually
I
mean
that's
all
covered,
that's
so
we're
planning
on
getting
someone
to
cook
for
the
both
events,
so
that
we
focus
on
the
work
and-
and
that's
all
part
of
the
admission-
that's
that's
in
there.
So
so
you
don't
necessarily
have
a
car.
We
can
pick
you
up
and
I'm
sure
other
people
are
going
to
have
cars
around
too
and
and
we
have
the
van
to
pick
people
up
from
the
airport
whoever's
flying
in
okay,
yeah.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
just
didn't,
want
that
to
become
a
barrier
I
mean.
If
I'm
there,
then
I'm
there
and
that's
that's
how
it
is.
So
what
do
you
think
are
the
biggest
challenges
for
people
that
that
come
in
that
are,
you
know
they're,
like
me,
that
are
just
kind
of
on
the
fence
that
are
just
really
becoming
familiar
now
with
osc.
Yes,.
A
A
If
you
have
that
kind
of
attitude,
then
then
you'll
you'll
be
great
here.
I
think
otherwise
it's
it's
like.
If
you
don't
see
the
purpose,
the
deep
purpose
of
why
this
is
going
on
and
the
potential
of
it
if
you
cannot
connect
to
it,
that's
that,
I
would
say,
is
the
biggest
block,
because
if
you
don't
have
the,
why,
then
you
you're
not
going
to
do
the
what
the
what
we're
doing
you
really
have
to
be.
A
I
would
say
philosophically
motivated
to
do
that,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
different,
different
work.
I
mean
people
call
it
that
it's
super
hard
and
you
might
say
that
I
think
for
me.
I
guess
you
know,
as
as
a
leader
of
this
and
not
giving
up
like
basically
saying
hey,
here's
a
new
program
for
society-
and
you
know
everyone
says
you're,
smoking
and
stuff.
A
And
then
it's
like
dude,
this
is
obvious.
It's
not.
My
destiny
has
been
written
out
as
far
as
what
needs
to
be
what
needs
to
happen
for
the
world
if
you
think
about
it,
so
I'm
a
meditator
I
meditate,
so
I
pretty
much
kind
of
get
my
mind
and
motivations
clear.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
how
I
arrive
at
these
things.
Just
basically
saying
you
know,
I'm
disconnecting
from
the
mainstream
system
and
all
the
indoctrination
there
to
see.
Okay,
what
is
really
important,
what's
meaningful.
A
Where
does
society
have
to
go
and
from
those
kinds
of
questions
the
the
current
purpose
for
me
arises,
and
I
have
that
and
that's
you
know:
that's
unstoppable
right,
but
a
person
who
who
comes
into
this.
I
think
the
just
the
motivation
like.
Why
are
you
doing
this?
What's
your
purpose
that,
I
would
say,
is
the
biggest
block,
because
I
mean,
after
all,
we're
I
mean
we're
not
doing
anything
different.
You
know
we
eat
food.
We
sit
on
a
computer,
we
work
on
machines,
we
design
things.
A
You
know
it's
the
same
stuff
that
anyone
else
does,
but
I
think
maybe
the
framework
with
which
it's
done.
You
have
to
be
an
independent
thinker.
I
would
say
to
do
that,
and
especially
the
pioneering
time
that
may
be
a
challenge
for
people,
but
once
you
know
once
we
have
gigantic
traction
and
economic
business
models,
they're
just
growing
like
crazy,
then
oh,
it's
obvious.
These
guys
are
succeeding
even
in
the
economic
system
of
today.
So
I
think
at
this
time
we're
positioned
to
double.
A
A
Yeah
yeah
and
it's
like
it's
not
a
problem.
I
mean
our
budget
to
date
has
been
just
just
for
transparency
on
that.
It's
like
about
one:
it's
only
like
1.5
million
bucks
over
the
last
last
decade
or
so
from
foundations,
and
then
first
we
started
on
crowdfunding.
Basically
I
had
like
thirty
thousand
dollars
in
savings.
I
burnt
it
all
pretty
quick
learning
stuff
that
I
thought
I
knew
I
just
burned
it
all
away,
and
I
said
oh,
let
me
do
some
crowdfunding
here
cool.
Oh,
it
works
awesome
right.
A
And
then
started
to
actually
run
the
workshops
and
produce
the
machines.
So
you
know
we
did
our
first
production
run
of
machines
a
long
time
ago.
I
think
it
was
like
2010
or
so
made
like
25
000
bucks
from
sales.
There
then
started
doing
training
workshops,
so
the
revenue
model
right
now
is.
It
has
been
machine
sales
and
training
workshops.
That's
basically
what
we
do
we're
in
the
business
of
education
when
we
produce
things.
We
also
organize
education.
A
Events
around
it,
but
okay,
but
as
far
as
psychology
like
psychologically
speaking,
just
to
finish
off
the
thought
on
what
the
mental
the
mindset
is.
So
we
know
that
software
has
dominated
the
industry
and
anyone
who's
who's
smart.
They
will
collaborate
on
software,
even
though
they
do
the
open
core
and
then
they
privatize
the
the
products
that
come
from
it.
So
it's
obvious.
Oh,
we
make
the
best
products
by
collaborating
now.
That's
completely
unheard
of
for
hardware
right
and
nobody
thinks
that
that
can
be
done
for
me.
A
It's
it's
inevitable
that
that
will
happen
simply
because
it's
a
it's
an
efficient
way
to
to
design
and
build
right
as
the
economy
moves
towards
higher
and
higher
efficiency.
That's
just
an
inevitable
part.
That
emerges
the
fact
that
oh
now,
people
collaborate
on
hardware
because
you
don't
want
to
have
like
a
thousand
different
cars.
If
you
can
collaborate
all
to
make
one
car,
that's
the
best
right
like,
for
example,
there's
no
such
thing
as
the
a
good
diesel
engine
like
everyone
has
got
some
fault
that
you
know
you
can
point
to.
A
A
I
mean
the
logic
is
obvious,
but
and
that's
exactly
what
we're
doing
we're
saying:
hey
joshua
come
over
people
come
on
over
we're
going
to
develop
products
that
dominate
the
marketplace.
We
have
a
name
for
that.
It's
called
distributed
market
substitution.
A
B
A
That
promise
is
the
next
very
clearly
the
next
trillion
dollar
economy,
it's
bigger
than
google
and
amazon,
and
all
of
that
now
people
don't
know
that
yet.
But
for
us,
that's
that's.
We
were
just
saying:
hey
we're
just
gonna.
Do
that
we're
moving
our
way
just
mind
our
own
business.
Moving
along
that
direction
and
you're
that's
the
kind
of
attitude
you
have
to
have.
It's
it's
to
say:
okay,
we're
collaborating,
and
so
the
requirement
for
you
is
okay.
So
we're
going
to
be
developing
the
release
of
the
house.
A
Cd
cajon,
which
we're
building
for
clients,
we're
upping
our
game
on
a
compressed
earth
block
press
which
we
sell,
but
we
could
make
a
robust
business
out
of
that.
We
can
up
our
game
on
the
3d
printer
business
which
we
sell,
but
we
can
you
know
we
can
have
a
real
business
that
scales
to
many
many
people
worldwide.
B
A
B
And
you
know
the
the
easy
way
is
just
going
reporting
in
and
coming
back
and
saying
that
you've
that
you
can
buy
this
or
buy
that
and
being
able
to
have.
This
means
you
can
step
away
from
all
of
that
and
really
work
on
innovating
and
really
working
work
on
making
a
change,
and
that's
the
other
thing
that
this
is
the
bigger
picture
is
the
liberator.
This
is
a
liberator
of
people.
B
A
A
Well
because
it
liberates
you
from
the
biggest
cost
in
your
life,
which
is
housing
right,
hence
the
name
but
yeah.
That's
exactly
right.
I
think
people
talk
about
circular
economies
and
kind
of
transitioning
to
the
next
economy.
A
We
know
that
there's
social
problems
and
now
the
huge
political
divisions
that
are
based
on
resentment
of
further
class
divisions
instead
of
everyone
getting
a
fair
shot.
A
So
I
think
we've
got
solutions
that
that
are
inevitable
and
the
idea
is
that
to
get
people
like
yourself
around
that
mindset
to
actually
find
hey,
there's
purpose
in
it
and
I'll
do
it
and
and
there's
not
a
question
whether
that
that
will
work
financially
like,
I
think,
with
the
scenica
home,
it's
who
else
is
gonna
build
you,
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
house
the
model
that
okay
just
to
explain
the
model,
50
000
materials
right
and
we've
had
50
000
for
the
build
fee.
A
B
B
I
just
needed
land
to
plop
it
on
and
just
have
people
come
out
and
help,
but
then
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
build
too
and
part
of
the
movement,
because
what
I'm
doing
it
has
no
real
purpose
for
me
anyway,
the
purpose
is
to
just
collect,
go
and
do
my
and
I
take
pride
in
my
work-
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
right,
that's
the
that's!
The
sole
motivation
is
to
make
the
money
and
keep
on
surviving
and
paying
rent,
and
you
know
nothing.
A
B
A
Yeah
I
mean
just
looking
at
you
like
looking
at
like
your
situation,
it's
like,
I
would
immediately
say,
give
it
a
try,
see
where
we
are
in
six
months,
where
the
thing
to
emphasize
is
there's
a
lot
of
development
like,
for
example,
for
the
cdca
cajon
we're
going
to
do
a
a
first
in
the
world.
I
I
believe
it's
nobody
has
a
full
digital
model
of
a
complex
device
like
a
house.
A
A
We're
going
to
say
we're
doing
a
cl,
a
crowd
collaborative
event,
we're
actually
doing
the
it's
going
to
be
august
or
september,
but
we're
going
to
do
this
huge
hackathon,
where
we
work
on
that
we
we
do
the
full
digital
model,
full
bom,
full
instructionals
and
full
we're
going
to
use
icons
to
to
show
like
a
graphical
language
of
how
you
represent
every
single
part.
It's
very
easy
to
use
like
pattern.
A
B
A
Time
you
can
talk
about
a
serious
publication
which
will
be
an
enterprise
guide
for
how
you
actually
run
an
enterprise
like
that.
So
just
to
give
you
an
example,
if
you
take
a
look
at
there's
the
bill
of
materials,
you
can
analyze
the
video
for
build
time
and
workflows.
A
You
can
come
up
with
business
models
for
that
and
and
we're
proposing
a
certain
kind
of
business
model,
which
is
the
high
value
of
the
the
build
time
compression
using
the
swarm
builds
pending,
which
can
work
pending
the
inspection
schedules
because
you
still
have
to
conform
to
an
inspection
schedule.
That's
for
a
given
location
right!
If
there's
no
codes,
then
you
can
just
go
five
days
straight
because
nobody's
checking
you.
If
you
have
codes,
you're
gonna
have
to
have
the
inspector
come.
A
A
Is
what
I'm
emphasizing
is
the
amount
of
development
like
the
one
thing
I
found
out
over
the
years
is
that
it
takes
amazing
amount
of
development
to
get
something
full
and
why
nobody
succeeds
in
hardware
so
far,
while
the
3d
printers
have
have
succeeded,
but
nobody
noticed
and
they
more
or
less
went
proprietary
largely
like
with
makerbot.
I
don't
ever
heard
of
makerbot.
B
A
A
Practicalities
being
here
like
okay,
now,
oh
yeah,
well,
you
can
actually
take
that
same
technology
and
you
can
start
reprocessing
waste
plastic
for
actual
building
panels
that
we
use
in
the
house.
So,
but
once
again,
all
these
things
are
developing
that
take
a
lot
of
time
and
effort,
and
that's
why
we're
saying
we're
in
order
to
do
what
we
call
the
distributed
market.
A
Substitution,
that's
a
lot
of
work
and
I
think
it
will
happen
because
only
in
a
collaborative
context,
because
no
company,
even
the
biggest
companies,
are
going
to
have
enough
budgets
to
go
through
that
kind
of
due
diligence
where
a
lot
of
it
is
about
open
documentation
which
it's
not
an
interest.
They
don't
do
that
right,
but
they're
not
a
distributed
enterprise
they're
about
concentrating
capital
further
and
into
people's
certain
people's
hands.
A
B
A
A
That's
what
we
we
do.
That's
that's
my
business
anyway.
As
far
as
whether
I
mean
I
would
say,
for
you,
try
it
give
it
a
try
and
then
see
where
you're
at
I
mean
I
think
you
have
a
safety
net
and
that,
given
that
you,
you
appear
to
have
a
skill
set,
that's
highly
valuable.
A
B
What
other,
what
other
things
would
you
recommend
that
I
study
like
I
know,
there's
there's
civil
engineering.
I've
wanted
to
study
electrical
engineering
as
well.
I
actually
I
dropped
out
of
college
as
well,
so
I
I'm
in
school
now
on
in
university
of
the
people
getting
my
computer
science
degree.
So
that's.
A
B
Yeah
well
I've
I've
known
how
to
program.
Since
I
was
when
I
was
young,
so
I
did
three
years
and
then
I
I
you
know
the
years
of
the
partying
and
kind
of
not
taking
it
seriously
caught
up
so
yeah.
A
A
So
that's
why
what
we're
doing
is
what
we're
doing
here
is
that
you
get
a
flavor
of
okay,
here's,
here's
enterprise,
here's
builds
here's
engineering,
here's
psychology
and
hears
all
the
disciplines-
and
you
know,
ecology
and
all
of
this-
that
make
for
an
integrated
perspective
on
how
something
works.
So
the
thing
that
I
mean
I
got
up
to
all
the
way
up
to
a
phd,
but
I
felt
that
totally
got
down
this
complete
rabbit
hole
on
and
unless
one
learns,
the
the
breadth
of
the
disciplines,
it's
it's
troubling
and
you
can't
study
a
something.
A
But
what
what's
gonna
happen
is
okay,
so
you're
gonna
study
that,
but
the
way
we
treat
it
here
is
no
no
study
like
the
breadth
and
once
you
know,
one
discipline,
you're
gonna
see
how
oh
yeah
it's
just
in
another
discipline,
it's
the
same
thing,
but
with
a
different
spin
on
it,
so
you're
gonna
be
able
to
learn
so
much
faster
when
you
take
on
the
interdisciplinary
approach,
it's
like.
We
really
believe
in
this.
This
creation
of
genius
is
a
also
collab.
A
A
A
B
Does
it
bring?
It
only
brings
you
up
to
me,
it
seems
economically
and
I
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
finish
just
because
I
don't
know.
Maybe
it
feels
like
it's
something
I'm
supposed
to
do,
or
maybe
I
feel
like
I'm
working
towards
something
instead
of
just
grinding
every
day.
You
know,
but
that's
how
I
felt
about
it.
I
do
like
the
interdisciplinary
approach
so
studying
programming.
You
have
to
learn
the
back
end
and
how
everything
ties
together
and
how
you
how
to
deploy
servers.
B
You
need
to
learn
about
security
and
networking,
all
that
I
have
under
my
belt
to
some
degree,
and
then
I
have
other
interests
as
well.
I
mean
like
electrical
engineering,
there's
there's
data
science
that,
like
you,
said
the
herbalism,
the
allopathic
way
of
treating
people
versus
the
holistic
way
of
treating
people
and
health
and
disease
you're
exactly
right.
A
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
best
like.
If
you
look
at
the
what's
the
best
program
out
there
for
interdisciplinary
information,
the
idea
would
be
that
you
kind
of
create
your
own
program
that
borrows
from
a
lot
of
disciplines,
because
each
discipline
kind
of
has
its
own
bias.
Like
you
know,
in
the
world
of
science
like,
for
example,
the
stuff
I
was
studying,
it's
like
we
never
talked
about.
Oh
well,
I
kind
of
jumped
out
of
the
fusion
world
once
so.
I
started
doing
presentations
about
fusion
yeah,
we're
gonna,
save
the
world.
A
A
Thinking
about
that
more,
I
kind
of
concluded
back.
Okay,
that's
you
know
we're
not
there.
Until
we
have
a
responsible
society,
we're
not
gonna
be
responsible
to
do
fusion
right.
Yet
we
gotta
learn
to
collaborate
first,
so
maybe
save
that
for
later
and
for
now,
let's
work
with
solar
panels
or
photovoltaics,
which
can
do
more
than
we
ever
need.
So
things
like
that
so
yeah,
it's
always
about
trying
to
get
a
more
integrated
perspective,
which
I
don't
think
I
mean
I
don't
know
who
does
a
really
great
job
at
this?
A
I
don't
know
like
so.
You've
got
the
elite
institutions,
but
they're
all
about
proprietary
and
all
of
that,
like
they're,
not
working
for
a
better
world.
You
know
I
went
to
prince
and
I
was
grossly
disappointed
at
people
I
met.
I
mean
I,
I
got
pretty
depressed
like
the
first
two
years
until
I
kind
of
figured
it
out,
but
just
people
are
not.
I
didn't
like
it.
My
experience
was
pretty
pretty
bad
because
I
I
was
expecting
all
these
dreamers
and
people
who
were
talking
about
a
better
world,
and
it
wasn't
about
that.
A
So
instead
was
the
breeding
ground
for
the
power
structure
of
the
world
right
exactly
so,
gotta
do
a
little
better
than
that,
so
I
can't
give
I
can't
like.
I
should
maybe
think
about
it,
not
to
say
what
is
the
best
example
of
an
interdisciplinary
kind
of
program
that
actually
tries
to
go
at
it
in
an
authentic
way.
A
Yeah,
but
the
real
question
would
be
like
if
you
feel
comfortable
like
we
know
that
there's
money
to
be
made
on
items
of
big
value
and
the
question
is:
are
we
willing
to
believe
in
that
and
make
it
work?
So
it's?
It
really
has
to
be
an
entrepreneurial
attitude
like
we're
we're
going
to
teach
you
some
skills.
The
question
is:
okay,
can
you
do
something
with
that.
A
But
it's
not
about
like.
Can
you
it's
like?
We
are
the
the
minds
mind
shift
is
we
are
actually
all
collaborating
on
that
model.
Like
the
other
day,
I
was
thinking
how
do
we
like,
for
example,
I
outsourced
a
couple
of
things
like
admin
things
through
fiverr
and
stuff,
but
question
is
okay,
so
sharing
all
all
the
inside
of
the
business
knowledge
like
we
publish
everything
right
so,
okay,
so
start
publishing.
Okay,
here
are
good
people.
You
can
work
with
here's
this
resource
and
that
resource.
So
you
absolutely
open
source.
A
A
We
invite
everybody
to
that
and,
of
course
like,
if
you
want
to
get
the
immersion
training,
you
know
you
have
to
spend
the
time
and
invest
in
that
quite
a
bit.
But
you
know
our
boundaries
are
very
open
because
we
think
that
that's
the
best
way
to
go
in
terms
of
efficiency
of
development,
and
so
we
develop
processes
all
around
trying
to
involve
the
whole
world
in
that
kind
of
work.
A
But
I
mean
if
you're
comfortable
in
that
kind
of
environment,
and
you
actually
believe
the
idea
that
okay
collaboratively
we're
actually
going
to
do
it.
A
A
Pointed
that
out
that
it's
like
look
man,
you,
you
got
this
big
vision
like
I
was
challenged
on
how
how
to
collaborate
truly
openly.
So
at
that
point
I
said
yeah,
it's
like
no!
I
don't
have
to
do
this
myself.
It's
like,
and
this
program
is
a
manifestation
of
that.
It's
like
no
we're
I'm
not
doing
this
myself.
I'm
gonna
do
a
little
part
of
it,
but
it's
the
whole
world.
That's
gonna,
make
it
better
and
and
contribute
to
that.
A
A
B
A
Yeah
yeah
so
yeah
yeah
yeah,
so
so,
basically,
like
yeah,
I
mean
you
you,
you
seem
like
a
good
guy
that
you
definitely
could.
I
think
you
can
learn.
The
skill
sets
you're
already
successful
in
what
you
do
right
now.
You're.
Definitely
questioning
like
the
idea
is:
are
you
questioning
things
and
do
you
want
to
just
keep
learning
for
your
whole
life
like?
Are
you
really
about
if
there's
a
problem
in
an
entrepreneurial
way?
I
up
my
skill
set
and
I
solve
problems
and
that's
how
I
roll
in
life.
A
So
if
you're
you
have
that
kind
of
attitude,
this
is
definitely
for
you.
If
this
is
about
lifelong
learning
and
and
challenging
yourself
to
be
the
best
and
and
and
basically
trying
to
bring
everybody
up
along
to
that
level.
That's
how
we're
going
to
change
the
world
you've
got
to
make
knowledge
and
know
how
readily
accessible
so
the
core
of
what
we
do
is
we
develop
our
stuff,
but
we
try
to
bring
everybody
along
to
that
level.
At
the
same
time,.
B
A
What
to
say
about
the
the
learning
opportunity?
It's,
I
think
I
can
learn
the
fastest
only
in
an
open
environment,
because
I've
been
like.
Actually
my
perspective
on
rapid
learning
comes
from
actually
from
my
phd
program.
I
was
not
able
to
talk
openly
about
the
work
that
I
was
doing
and
when
I
thought
about
that,
it's
like
that
in
such
a
waste
like
I'm,
not
learning
the
best.
A
I
could
because
people
are
not
telling
me
the
their
best
details,
because
everyone's
keeping
stuff
to
themselves
in
case
somebody
else
takes
it
and
gets
a
grant
and
writes
a
grant
for
that
and
stuff
like
that,
because
we
had
some
hot
material
that
we
were
publishing
and
but
at
the
end
like
when
you
think
about
it,
it's
also
inefficient
and
this
this
competitive
waste
is
so
so
crazy
and
we
just
that's
just
the
world
we
live
in
and
then,
of
course,
with
collaboration.
A
B
A
A
Yeah,
so
I
I
would
definitely
say
yeah
you're
welcome
to
join
the
program.
If
you
next
step
would
be
pay
up.
B
B
That's
fine,
so
I
just
need
to
work
out
logistics
and
kind
of
see
how
july
1st
right
july
1st
looks.
A
A
A
Yeah
we're
going
to
start.
Basically,
the
the
most
of
the
program
goes
with.
We,
we
get
one
hour
of
design,
lessons
about
designing
and
designing
things,
and
then
we
actually
practice
so
whatever
we're
going
to
be
building
like
tractors
or
aquaponic
greenhouses
or
houses
or
infrastructure,
we're
going
to
do
a
lot
of
time
designing,
because
it's
all
about
you
can
only
design
as
fast
as
the
prior
art
that's
available.
So
we
publish
we.
We
continue
evolving,
we'll
work
from
existing
files
and
we'll
continue
improving
them
and
uploading
them.
And
then
fridays
are
more
like
infrastructure.
A
A
There's
two
two
major
things:
one
is
the
hackathon
and
the
second
one
is
a
hero
x,
incentive
challenge,
so
we're
looking
up
at
posting
a
a
large
design
challenge
prize,
and
that
would
be
for
the
the
large
printer
and
waste
plastic
recycling
infrastructure.
So
we
can
actually
leverage
the
whole
community
to
help
us
get
that
materials
printing
3d
printer
for
the
panels.
Like
in
this
house
this
this
house,
I
live
in,
that's
it's
a
penalized
house.
A
This
is
actually
the
seat
home
one
I'm
in
right
now,
but
that's
we're
gonna
as
we
learn
in
the
program.
We're
gonna
leverage,
the
global
community
as
much
as
we
can,
and
that
is
through
this
major
hackathon
and
the
hero
x,
incentive
challenge
that
we're
gonna
deploy
all
around
that
time,
august
september,
so
yeah.
So
it's.
B
A
Just
our
I
mean
we're
on
the
side
of,
of
course,
we're
got
boots
on
the
ground,
but
we've
learned
how
to
do
a
lot
of
different
things
to
remote
collaboration
and
especially
leveraging
the
large
collaborative
design
processes
over
the
internet
and
then
on
site
leveraging.
The
collaborative
swarm
builds
okay,.
B
A
Points
of
the
way
I'm
I'm
looking
at
this
is-
and
this
is
all
for
grabs
still-
if
you
want
to
change
that,
but
I'm
thinking
that
december
so
december,
there's
we
finished
december
20,
but
the
idea
there
would
at
that
time
actually
to
start
actually
to
incorporate
the
organizations.
A
We
might
do
some
final
publishing
projects,
but
the
idea
is,
if
you
pick
up
the
skill
set
collaborate
as
as
partners,
so
we'd
like
you
to
set
up
set
up
your
own
enterprises
such
as
llc's
or
other
things,
you're
welcome
to
do
things
like
work
on
site
where
we
have
all
the
infrastructure
here.
So,
for
example,
if
you
want
to
start
producing
tractors
or
3d
printers
or
work
with
us,
where
we
actually
go
out
into
the
community
and
do
the
builds
that's
the
idea.
A
So
basically
the
infrastructure
is
here:
you
would
have
access
to
it
like
through
lease
or
other
arrangements.
So
it's
like
an
incubator
and
in
the
other
cases
it's
like
we'll
hire
you
or,
but
we
prefer
to
work
as
partners.
A
We've
got
the
branding
and
and
quality
control
like
if
you
want
to
work
under
our
label,
we
can
do
that,
otherwise
people
are
welcome
to
go
off
on
their
own,
but
the
whole
purpose
of
this
is
to
learn.
Learn
the
collaborative
mindset
that
you're
saying
oh
yeah,
it's
actually
better
that
we
collaborate
and
then
we,
the
idea,
was
50
of
the
time
we
do
work
like.
If
we
got
to
build
a
house,
okay,
we're
building
a
house,
we
got
a
client
that
I
mean.
That's
that's
the
main
thing.
A
The
cdc
home
is
our
main
product
release
right
now
right,
so
we
build
it
because
we're
super
efficient
at
it
that
provides
enough
revenue
that
we
can.
We
can
then
use
that
to
sustain
the
r
d
efforts
that
we
do.
So
it's
all
about
we're
continuing
the
product
development
afterwards,
but
does
that
kind
of?
Does
that
explain
it
like
the
the
kind
of
working
relationship?
It's
really
like
we're
expecting
to
have
a
lot
of
clients
for
the
cd
cajon
the
graduates
of
the
program.
A
We
are
going
to
be
the
builders
depending
what
level
you
step
into.
You
can
learn.
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
be
a
builder
I'm
going
to
build,
or
I'm
going
to
learn
enough
to
run,
build
crews
or
learn
enough
to
organize,
like
a
whole
whole
build.
In
other
words,
you
get
a
client.
We
can
forward
clients
to
you,
that's
going
to
be
an
option.
A
You
actually
lead
the
whole
process,
not
not
us
or
you're,
not
just
a
builder
or
a
person
who
runs
screws.
You
can
step
up
at
different
levels
from
builder
to
enterprise,
to
organization.
Does
that
make
sense.
B
Right
so
when
you
finish
the
group,
when
you
graduate
you,
you
want
to
set
up
your
own
organization
and
you
can
kind
of
if
you
kind
of
think
about
what
you
want
to
do
or
how
something
can
be
done
during
the
training.
You
can
come
out
with
that
idea
and
work
on
that.
Otherwise,
you
can
further
ose
as
a
as
a
company
and
as
a
group
or
movement
with
your
own
business
and
your
own
in
your
own
work.
A
We
definitely
like
to
have
people
on
site,
because
the
way
we're
looking
at
kind
of
the
replication
model
is
building
a
large
number
of
the
facilities,
the
whole
campuses
which
have
the
education,
research
and
development.
The
agriculture.
A
It's
like
a
university
campus
yeah
mixture
of
a
university
campus,
an
eco-tech
park,
factory
farm
and
all
that
it's
it's
an
it's
literally
a
working
community.
I
think
the
best
example
is
just
a
simple
university,
because
the
university
has
a
lot
of
different
things
happening
like
you've
got
your
cafeteria.
You've
got
food,
I
mean
they
don't
grow
their
food,
but
they've
got
definitely
got
r
dm
teaching.
They
don't
have
much
for
production,
but
we
do
that's
the
the
facility.
Is
it's
a
land-based
facility,
so
you
want
to
make
make
compressed
earth
block.
A
We
got
tons
of
soil
underneath
our
site,
you
know,
so
you
actually
can
can
do
the
sustainable
management
of
resources
that
so
it's
it's.
It's
really
like
a
like.
A
global
village
idea
is
to
replicate
many
of
these
worldwide
right.
So
but
first,
what
you
want
to
do
is
you
want
to
get
an
amazing
example
of
the
first
one?
So
for
the
first
cohort
of
people
stay
with
us
make
this
work,
develop
the
enterprise
model
that,
where
all
the
independent
partners,
it's
like.
A
It's
like
a
real
life
except
there's,
a
closer
economic
connection
between
the
people.
It's
basically
take
the
village
of
you
know,
500
years
ago
in
the
dark
ages
and
take
that
into
the
digital
age
like
what
would
that
look
like
modern
technology,
global
collaboration,
innovative
financial
arrangements
and
structures
of
made
possible
by
digital
currencies
and
and
the
fact
of
digital
production
like
digitizing.
A
The
thing
idea
that
now
you
have
a
digital
model
and
that's
almost
as
good
as
reality,
pending
your
ability
to
actually
produce
the
thing,
but
the
main
missing
thing
is
like
right
now
I
don't
know
how
people
are
aware
of
this,
but
I
think
most
people
think
that,
oh
well,
why
are
you
reinventing
the
wheel
like
a
tractor?
It's
like!
A
Isn't
that
like
open
source
already
well,
no,
like
you,
can
get
a
lot
of
crap
crap
design,
but
no
like
none
of
the
best
stuff
is
open
source
like
the
missing
link
right
now
is
by
far
design.
A
After
all,
like
that's,
why
you
have
the
whole
patent
system
and
all
that,
that's
all
to
keep
that
under
wraps,
so
we're
all
collaborating
on
the
design
part
once
you
have
that
that's
just
the
most
amazing,
powerful
generative
kernel
that
you
can
replicate
one
of
these
facilities
and
we're
thinking
like
if
we've
got
a
whole
bunch
of
people
here.
Think
about
this,
like
we,
we
taught
so
first
call
heart
of
24.
A
Well,
we
got
now
a
hundred
or
even
a
thousand,
maybe
at
this
facility
I
mean
we're
going
to
take
over
the
economy
of
this
town
pretty
soon.
A
A
They
just
discovered
us
some
locals
and
they're
like
okay.
We
want
to
produce
tractors.
So
that's
how
it's
going
to
happen.
People
are
going
to
get
trained,
people
are
going
to
start
production
of
things
locally
and
if
we
have
not
fundamentally
uplifted
this
economy
here,
then
we're
just
talking
we're.
You
know
we're
supposed
to
be
able
to
do
that.
That's
the
kind
of
economic
power
we're
after
that.
We
can
change
the
economy
thoroughly,
uplifting
it
into
amazing
productivity
and
thereby
close
the
whole
social
schisms
and
the
divides
that
are
happening
right
now.
A
So
the
idea
is
for
what
happens
after
you
graduate
well,
I
would
like
people
who
have
the
opportunity
to
learn
the
skills
and
get
them
well.
They'll,
be
extremely
valuable
to
us
collaborate
with
us.
A
That's
kind
of
back
back
backup
plan
talking
about
like
the
the
employee
relationship,
which
is
I
don't
like
it.
I
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
creating
employees.
I
want
to
create
capable
people
who
are
independent
financial
independents,
not
employees.
That's
that
mindset
right,
because
I
don't,
I
just
don't
feel
it
provides
a
kind
of
freedom
that
a
person
deserves.
So
I
think
about
that
a
lot
because
I
mean
that
kind
of
topic
of
the
schools
just
churning
out
employees.
That's
not
a
right
thing
for
schools
to
be
doing.
B
You're
exactly
right,
I
mean
that's,
that's
exactly
how
I
feel
now
I
mean
I
I
just
yeah
I
go
in
and
I
I
go
out
and
eat,
like
you,
probably
can
already
tell
from
talking
to
me
and
from
other
people
that
that
that
is
the
main
problem.
It's
like
okay,
but
I
I
going
here,
but
what
am
I
supposed
to
do?
Afterward
like?
Do
I
have
a
job
like
the
point?
Is
you
create
your
own
job?
You
create
your
own
financial
independence
and
your
own
wealth
and
really
your
own
life
and
your
success.
A
Yeah,
but
definitely
collaborate
don't
go
out
on
your
own
collaborate
with
us
so
that
we
can
make
the
products
that
you're
doing
better
and
therefore
that
helps
us,
so
everybody
wins
and
the
thing
that
you
have
to
notice
there.
It's
like
that's,
not
a
like
a
finite
thing.
It's
like.
If
we
solve
the
problems
of
production.
We
have
the
next
issue
of
evolution.
To
worry
about,
don't
worry
about,
like
oh
the
market's
going
to
be
too
small.
No,
we
evolve.
We
constantly
grow
right
and
then
that's
how
we
move
forward.
A
It's
really
about,
I
mean
the
way,
we're
pitching
it's
like
work
with
us
and
then
yes,
we
we
make
our
living,
but
we're
working
explicitly
like
there's
a
world
problem
problem
in
the
world.
We
work
on
solving
it.
That's
that's
our
job
description.
I
solve
problem.
I
solve
global
problems,
we're
going
to
want
to
solve
housing
as
a
start
right.
B
A
B
All
right,
I
think
that
was
I
think
that
was
everything
I
had
so
oh.
So
what
are
the
next
plans
for
the
campus
or
or
for
for
osc?
What
what
do
you
need
most
right
now
like
what?
What
are
you
working
toward
now,
specifically
with
oscar.
B
A
Really
soon
yeah
we're
building
another
workshop
and
and
more
infrastructure
for
living.
So
we
gotta
we've
got
the
four
thousand
square
foot
workshop
right
now.
We're
gonna
build
another
one
before
september,
so
we've
got
pretty
rapid,
build
techniques.
We
can
use,
it's
gonna,
be
solar,
but
yeah
infrastructure
building
so
that
we
can
house
and
accommodate
more
people.
A
A
We
can
hold
about
20
people
total
right
now,
we're
just
growing
that
more
infrastructure,
more
and
more
classrooms
and
get
the
internet
completely
get
this
whole
place
internet
and
and
hooked
up
better
for
broadcasting
with
cameras
in
different
locations.
So
that's
part
of
that.
Okay,
so
I've
got
our
next.
Oh
you
have
another
interview
or.
B
Oh
you
just
someone
else.
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah
I've
got
another
interview
for
the
osc
apprenticeship
right.
B
Okay,
that's
that's
everything
I
don't
want
to
run
over
the
time
or
anything.
So
thanks
for
hearing
me
out
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
talk
with
me
and
I
think
I'll
be
seeing
you
soon.
I
just
have
to
get
the
logistics
ready
and
we'll
be
ready
to
go
excellent.