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Talking about superfluidity! Not in physics, but peak human experience. Matt Jarman, PhD research psychologist interested in social justice, studied with the seminal leader of flow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi. Matt is applying for the OSE Apprenticeship. Here's our first interview. Apply for the OSE Apprenticeship today. https://www.opensourceecology.org/ose-apprenticeship/
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I
do
have
a
number
of
kind
of
smaller
questions,
yeah,
so
so
kind
of
just
first
off
kind
of
you
know
you
answer
this
a
little
bit
an
email,
but
you
know
what
what
are
your
general
thoughts
in
terms
of
kind
of
this
kind
of
hybrid
kind
of
apprenticeship
where
you
know
most
of
it
for
me
would
be
online
remote
doing.
You
know
two
to
three
hours
in
the
morning,
plus
the
enterprise
discussions
in
the
evening
and
then
coming
out
for
two
and
maybe
a
little
more.
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Here's
the
whole
build
management
process,
that's
something
you
can
get
remotely
completely
you're
an
educated
guy.
I'm
sure
you
can.
You
can
do
that
so
that
that
can
definitely
work,
and
I
think
you
mentioned
so
about
the
online
courses
I
mean.
Maybe
one
product
to
develop
is
the
way
to
train
and
and
skill
people
up
remotely
for
people
who
can't
do
the
physical
on-site,
the
full-time
so
completely
viewable
would
be
like,
say
the
two-week
crash
course.
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Okay,
a
lot
of
people
will
have
that
time,
and
then
we
offer
a
full
support
package
that
we
develop
as
something
you
can
charge
for,
because
you're
spending
your
time-
and
you
know
mixture
of
online
materials
and
your
time
so
leveraging
kind
of
the
digital
slash
real
economy
in
one.
So
I
I
think,
there's.
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it's
it's
a
core
product
like
part
of
the
whole,
if
you,
if
you've
seen
my
documents
about
the
whole
whole
project,
is
part
of
it
is
remote
training,
it's
on
side,
it's
all
kinds
of
variants
of
it
and
the
point
is
we're
developing
this
whole
ecology
of
products
that
are
intended
to
go
towards
this
distributed
market
substitution
thing
that
we're
so
diverse,
so
robust
in
our
product
base
that
this
starts
to
spread
and
more
more
self-employed.
Happy
people
are
created
around
the
world.
So
what
you're
saying
about?
Yes,
you
can
develop
this
aspect.
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Person
covers
it,
but
the
other
package
was
a
ten
thousand
dollar
support
package
where
we
drop
ship,
the
materials
we
walk.
Few
walk
you
through
every
step.
We
give
you
the
the
on-site
two-week
crash
course.
We
give
you
build
support
and
remote
quality
control
and
stuff
like
that
to
support
you
as
a
talking.
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With
the
big
political
divides,
the
big
culture
wars
and
all
that
it's
I
mean
from
one
perspective,
you
can
say
that
the
culture
wars
are,
it's
like.
You
get
a
job,
you're
a
maker
of
some
sort,
some
trades
person,
but
unfortunately
the
way
society
is
set
up.
That's
somewhat
of
a
dead-end
job,
because
why
not
develop
more
skills
to
now
start
designing
that
stuff,
so
you
can
either
be
a
builder
of
other
people's
stuff
or
you
can
evolve,
keep
evolving
and
growing,
say.
Okay,
now,
I'm
actually
designing
the
things.
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You
know,
hopefully
you
know
some
of
those
people
you
know
are
also
getting.
You
know
you
know
fairly
compensated
for
their
time
as
well.
Those
were
taking
leads
in
that
build
process,
but
then
also
the
the
non-profit
is
is
getting
some
of
that
revenue
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
you
know,
decrease.
You
know
the
tuition,
charges
and
stuff
like
that,
and
so
it's
very
it's
exactly
what
we.
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You
can
frame
that
around
an
immersive,
build
experience
where
the
byproduct
is.
You
actually
build
a
house
and
you've
got
a
lot
of
labor
to
to
do
that.
So,
if
you
can
frame
a
very
interesting
education
program
around
the
build,
that's
what
we've
been
doing.
That's
that's
the
way
we
built
this
house
in
five
days
with
50
people
and.
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Because
there's
you
know
you
have
straw
barrel
and
then
you
have
cobb
and
then
and
there's
lights,
which
kind
of
like
mixes
straw
in
there,
and
with
that
you
can
get
really
high
insulation
value,
and
I
wonder
if
and
and
they
actually
in
that
building
technique
that
sometimes
they
will
build
bricks
that
they
can
then
use
later.
So
the
idea
of
having
a
they
could
do
that
that
can
kind
of
automate
that
process.
And
then
you
have
this
brick.
That
also
has
a
population.
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One
thing
my
my
wife
who's,
you
know
doing
the
nonprofit
with
me
is
really
interested
in
the
stuff
and
a
little
envious
of
the
idea
of
me
doing
it
all
and
and
her
time
is
a
little
bit
less
flexible,
because
you
know
when
she's
home,
the
kids
tend
to
be
kind
of
more
attached
to
her
and
if
she's
not
working
but
but
she
would
love
to
like
try
to
participate
in
like
the
design,
work
and
yeah
and
kind
of
be
on
this
stuff.
Would
it
be
okay?
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very
good,
very
good,
and
I
might
be
able
to
find
some
other
people
in
the
area
who
are
interested,
probably
more
like
in
the
remote
piece.
So
is
there
some
way?
I
I
think
that
there
will
be.
I
think
I
think
the
like
for
us.
For
example,
the
money
would
like
we
could.
You
know
it'll
be
challenging
for
us
to
do
the
one
of
us
and
I'm
hoping
that
she
could
just
kind
of
like
comment
out
as
needed,
and
I
but
like
with
the
like.
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And
I'll
have
to
you
know
gauge
interest.
There
might
not
be
other
interest
from
him
real,
quick,
maybe
the
last
question
and
of
course
perhaps
the
biggest
que
a
big
question
so
well,
and
maybe
you
kind
of
touch
on
this
already,
but
you
know
I
do
see
you
know.
Osu's
work
is
fundamentally
anti-oppressive
as
far
as
it
kind
of
decentralizes
knowledge
opportunities.
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But
that
said,
you
know
we
have
this
systemic
oppression
in
our
society
that
that
you
know
keeps
you
know
certain
groups
from
accessing
some
of
these
resources
and
opportunities,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
what,
if
anything,
you
do,
because
my
fear
is
that
it's
just
going
to
be
a
bunch
of
privileged
folk
who
are
the
early
adopters
because
they
they
have
the
ability
to
adopt
early.
So
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
you've,
given
me
a
thought
or
if
you
you
know,
do
anything
to
give
access
to
those
who
may
not
have
those
opportunities.
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Yeah
yeah,
I
think
so,
and-
and
I
think
also
you
know
to
what
you're
saying
earlier
too.
Like
you
know,
if
you
know
some
people
that
in
this
area
are
interested
in,
you
know
participating
remotely.
I
imagine
that
you
know
you
with
the
remote
access.
There
probably
also
be
much
more
flexibility
in
pricing
structure,
for
example,
and
if
I
were
doing
some
of
the
in-person
builds,
you
know
then,
and
could
share
that
knowledge
yeah,
that
that
could.
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looking
at
time,
can
I
ask
one
last
question
because,
as
I'm
thinking
through
the
space
that
we'd
wanna
use
yeah,
I'm
wondering
you
know
within
mind
that
I'd
like
to
at
the
very
least
be
doing
home,
builds
if
not
also
just
start
building
other
things.
How
much
space
you
know
would
do.
Should
I
be
thinking
that
I
need
for
this
well.
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So
I
would
so
let's
say
you
know
this
place,
you
know.
Has
it
has
a
barn,
for
example
yeah?
We
could,
you
know,
set
up
some
equipment
there,
just
as
kind
of
like
a
maker
space
for
people
to
kind
of
explore
with,
and
then
the
bills
would
happen
at
the
lots.
Whatever
those
are,
so
we
would
kind
of
as
a
start.
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I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
so.
I
mean
this
all
sounds
wonderful.
I
feel
like
there's
a
lot
that
is
just
such
a
great
fit
and
you
know
as
I
and
I
feel
like
there's
a
lot
that
I
can
contribute
to.
I
I
know
there's
any
time
I
can
learn
it.
You
really
did
rock
my
world
with
the
idea
of
you
know
my
online
productivity
and
leadership
course
going
on
open
source
and
and
and
I
I
want
to
do
it-
I'd
love
to
get
a
little
bit
of
guidance,
yeah.
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I
love
it
yeah,
yeah
and
and
is
there
an
obvious
way
with
like
the
because
I
have
the
online
course
and
then
I
have
the
collaboration
like
piece?
Is
that
just
like
the
standard,
just
like
kind
of
like
a
wiki
where
people
can
be
contributing
ideas
because
yeah
I
feel
like
you
know,
I
have
certain
expertise,
so
I
don't
necessarily
want
everyone
just
being
like?
No,
no,
you
should
be
doing
this.
You
know,
but
I
also
want
to
have
a
space
for
people
to
kind
of
you
know,
brainstorm
and
offer
so.