Open Source Ecology OSE Apprenticeship, 3 Jul 2021

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From YouTube: Day 3 - The Trillion Dollar Economy of Printing Housing from Trash

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A

Recording economic value of 3d printing from trash given 150 just the review, 150 million tons of waste plastic are generated per year, which is enough for about 50 million houses at 10 tons of trash per house, I'm speaking bluntly here, because these are going to be beautiful houses and if you multiply that by 50 000 that we can make per after cost this. This is our current model that it's about 50k cost 50k revenue. On top of that we're making 750 billion out of 15 million 15 million times 50 000 is 750 billion.

A

Now that's significant and what's the argument on, can we capture even a small fraction of that?

A

Well, it's entrepreneurial savvy. If we can pull off this contest, yeah yeah, absolutely so I think it there's no short answer outside of focus hard work, uh but we don't have to do it alone. This is the purpose of collaboration. That's if we can, if we can collaborate to do this, that's the that's the kind of message we got to be putting out the it's: a 750 billion dollar market right now, that's not being tapped. It's ending up polluting our environment.

A

Let's do something about it, people and organize. So our challenge, I think a lot is to communicate that message effectively.

B

Like so you said, we already have the infrastructure, you have the plastic shutter and you can you know we can make the printer.

A

Well, there is bigger.

B

A

Yeah yeah we have, I mean you have to be careful kind of like how you say that, because we we do and we don't right. We have to develop to that level, um but I think all the indications are there that that it's quite doable, and we can definitely on paper, see that. Okay, you do this and you get this result. So we can engineer a system that does that, so I think it's quite doable, but then to get to those prototypes and machines that are robust and work well.

A

That takes the effort and that's that's where we need the collaboration, because just like in software, it takes hundreds and thousands of iterations until you get it absolutely right. It's that's just the development process, that's the nature of it! So that's where we're at on it. I'd love to see the uh also the like for earthen printing, like we do compressed earth block, but you know imagine chewing up the saw and adding concrete that you generated from local local rock on site, very interesting and especially relevant to other planets.

A

If you can do that on other planets, like people are talking like. Okay mars: well, how are you going to do it there you're going to have to do something like that.

C

Did you see the challenge that nasa put out recently to 3d print mars habitats? Oh.

A

Yeah yeah I've seen a little bit of that mm-hmm yeah. They.

C

Were making like egg-shaped.

A

Houses, yeah and um yeah I'd be curious, like you know, with a discussion before about proprietary like okay. Is the result open or is it just the proprietary effort? Are they going to actually publish that I think they're going to publish? But if you look at that contest, I don't think it's collaborative. I haven't seen anything else. That's not.

C

Been it was strictly competitive.

A

Yeah, so let's do better and see see what we can do, but I mean I don't know. I don't understand why people don't get that part. Do we think that actually people are will not be motivated because they're collaborating? I don't think so.

A

Maybe we got a um maybe it's a block for some people, but in general I don't think that's the block. um So that still is a live question. Why aren't people designing these contests to be collaborative? What do you guys think.

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C

Afraid of being copied, but most people aren't going to go and copy your work. This weird.

A

Mental model people have that you can only do that in a proprietary way and there is 200 years of proprietary industrial history which influences the way people think. But it's so funny to see people trapped in that like people just can't believe that and.

D

Yeah, but I think, there's there's also been a lot of difficulty: developing business models around open source hardware- um that's right, I mean there's been like, like I had mentioned in another day, that there had been different projects that they were successful at first and then texas instruments decides you know we can do this at scale at a cheaper price than they can and then all of a sudden they uh realize.

D

Okay, now that texas instruments is in the game, we have to develop niche products, and so I think there needs to be more creativity around um creating business models that work for open source hardware.

A

Yeah, so I think part yeah yeah. No, that's true, though, and we have to design some of that into this saying. This is how the revenue model would work at the end of the day. So one is the developing developing incentive challenge. That christian was saying. Second, one is okay: if we build these houses, uh what about it makes it that it's not it's going to get sucked up by an evil corporation?

A

Well, I think it's, the simple fact that it's open source and decentralized we're.

D

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A decentralized product, a collaborative product, so we have to the people we absorb into the the effort they have to get the idea that we're collaborating and.

B

A

There I mean there's, definitely revenue right.

B

Right there's money involved, but then it's to really solve a problem. A pressing issue I mean that's the that's really, the bulk of the.

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D

um Well, is it the fact that um it will be potentially a niche product, because um I don't know if you can take plastic lumber and build in a city.

A

Part of it is getting. uh This contest is gonna involve stuff like getting certification, that's where this becomes bigger than I mean this is big like just like boxable there. They got their stuff, certified and stuff like that. That's part of it. That's that's going to be part of the business development, pushing.

B

For the changes that are necessary to be able to build in a way and not.

A

Even change it's safe, it's still works, not even changes. It's just certification, here's a stamp that says this is a legit.

B

Product yeah yeah.

A

I mean we that's part of the game because uh so we're innovating on several fronts here, but all the due diligence like any company we're solving business problems. That's a business problem for anybody right like okay. Is that gonna be just like boxable, I had a business problem. Can they certify their house, so they don't have to mess with codes a lot right.

A

This is nothing different than industry standard, but the point is we have to do those steps, they're part of the game and that's why we need so many people and so much collaboration, so we're designing the business model around that. I think the the short answer to the question. Okay, now: what's the revenue model around it, we're designing? I think the short answer is we're designing for distributed production.

A

So the business model is based on here. You you have about 5, 000 or 10 000 in capital, maybe more, but we're reducing the capital barriers way down right, build one house and you pay back for this. The challenging part is getting that technology to the point that it's ready for prime time that you can just relatively simply go either have like a community facility where oh yeah, I'm gonna, rent this facility. For a few days, I'm gonna make my uh panels that could be a business model. You have to design it in.

A

um However, we do it, but like up front, you can think creatively and say: okay, whether it's a community-based manufacturing facility business model or it's entrepreneurs just going off independently around the world, some franchise open franchise training operation. How are you going to roll it out? We have to think about. We have to propose some solutions on that. So so I would say: that's like business development, here's some value, propositions, we're creating and pursuing actually executing on those value propositions.

A

Here's the operations that substantiate that- and this is the the dollars we're gonna, see and make a livelihood while absolutely collaborating the whole time right. So uh it's all new, because people don't think about this, but that's great it's an opportunity. It's a challenge and an opportunity. Everything is that, like that, we have to give some thought to that and we already are and we're moving this forward. So this is good.

B

A

And I'm recording this, so we can uh have other people contribute to this, and ideally we would have this. This effort accrete enough mass, that we solve it, and I and the the lubricant here is the incentive challenge, hopefully so we'll see. So I think for me I could probably be doing things like.

A

Okay, let's get, let's contact some sponsors, I'm in a ted community, I'm in the shuttleworth fellows community, like I got some access to to resource that I could say, hey people this is this is worth doing, so we have to attract them with this is purpose we got purpose, and this is a big hairy, audacious goal. It's worth solving. We we asked a good question. This is the this is what we can propose to the world and then pursue getting additional support.

A

Yeah and we, you know we're actually doing this stuff- we're not just dreaming about this, we're building these universal axes and extruders and high temperature chambers. We can weld and 3d print and and cad design, and we've got a posse of us here in the summer that are doing it. That's that's already, a great start. We've got some something going on we're, not just bluffing we're not kidding here. This is possible.

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C

That's great: it's really.

A

Promising yeah it is it is, I am quite excited, so I'm ready I'm ready. um It's 10 46, I'm gonna stick around a little more we'll break for lunch and let's reconvene at at one, but I mean we're still going a little more, but I think what I could do. Definitely the value I could add by all means is try to see when we can get that 250 raise that 100 to 250..

A

So maybe you guys can help me uh write write that message. So the messaging is key and stuff like that. um You guys actually writing right now or like getting the ideas down or you're studying the system. Yeah.

B

I made a wikipedia just to kind of know the different things we're talking about. It's like the engineering effort, the revenue business model, the collaborative effort between the individuals that come here- and I guess maybe the mindset.

A

Can you link that from this document, because this is uh or did you see, you missed it, but there was a page um there's another link to yeah.

A

No, we just someone put up a template david who joined us. He put a template for today's day, and that was one I think 120 design lessons day. Three, let's share that in the log. Let's share it in the chat. I.

B

Just linked directly from my page but I'll I'll, just.

A

Add it in there just so we all day, three okay, so click on that link for day three- and let's do this like on the let's- have 120 pages like this at the end of the day, but inside each you got the working doc. You got like the video for the day, all the notes that people took and stuff like that. So we could do a little template on that. um Let's do that so, um and we already got it.

A

We got that seated until day, nine so far just a little seed, but we can improve that and get the template up to up to.

B

C

uh What do you think about arrow, like aero aircrete, eric aerated, concrete? What kind of applications do you think that could have.

A

Yeah, that's pretty good it's, um but it's the more air you put in and the weaker. It is so that's kind of the trick to it. Maybe you don't do structural with it if it's too airy and um I've never done it. So I can't I can't really comment much about it.

A

Idea sounds right, especially once again, if we go to the solar concrete part, so I think, with the concrete in general, there's the idea that okay here we have a lot of lime, but what else do we got to put in it to make it? I think there's a lot of innovation between there's like geopolymers, concretes and stuff, like that, like I don't think we humanity knows anything about that stuff.

A

It's like, I think, there's so much room for innovation around around that just the materials side, because cement companies are going to be doing that forever. Like they're industry standard right now, they're, I think they're innovating too much.

A

So that's like the citizen, science and getting people involved in this once again open open engineering or public engineering. As I say that could benefit everybody um like geopolymers man. That's that's a whole class of other stuff, um if done in a decentralized way or or just more research around it for various different options, just like with anything like technology of course, always improves and imagine if we really unleash that kind of creative power to to to do what's really possible because right now we think we're amazing and all that we've got computers.

A

But we'll look back a hundred years from now and be like wow that was dumb stuff.

B

A

I mean that's, that's just uh that's just progress and we want to use use whatever we got in a wise way and we always say that use what already exists. uh Don't don't need to invent anything new right now if we just used what what really works right now, we'd already be good.

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C

Good stuff, good.

C

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And my other question is: where are people throwing up any videos like? Are you you guys that uh putting any of that on I'm putting all my stuff on on the osc or my channel um people are? We should be linking once again the main page, the 120 design, lessons day three like we should have links to all people's other videos.

A

If you can put it up, which you did yesterday, just keep throwing stuff up to youtube, just an easy way to do it, because then we can go back to it and if you think it you know, might not have a lot. I mean we can study it like. I did the time lapse yesterday we can study that for information and.

B

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Insights and media out of that.

D

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Just I mean just get it up there, and that was the purpose of the oc video assets page just get um get links to everything there, but for now we can do definitely that supports our learnings right now day. Three, okay, here's media that we can feed into it and we can pick from that later on.

C

A

Even if it seems like a bunch of random stuff someone who's, a good editor can make gold out of that. You.

D

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That was the idea.

B

D

I was trying to shoot as much. I just started yesterday. Shooting.

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D

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Yeah, but is there a way you can you can upload it somewhere just go to youtube man just bam. We got bandwidth here so.