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A
Okay:
okay,
progress:
okay
right,
I
want
to
share
my
screen.
Okay
share
my
screen
share
with
screen.
Let's
show
this
screen.
Okay,
all
right!
Can
anybody?
Can
everybody
see
my
screen.
B
C
A
Okay,
so
I
just
did
a
short
presentation
just
to
explain
the
background
behind
open
source,
ecology
or
or
osc
as
we
call
it
and
well.
Curtis
is
familiar
with
it
as
we
met
that
in
missouri
during
the
summer
x,
2021
anyway,.
D
A
A
So
it's
actually
a
set
of
50
machines,
which
he
reckons
and
needed
to
start
a
civilization
right,
and
I
think
the
the
underlying
thing
about
these
machines
open
source
machines
is
that
they
are
open
source,
which
means
that
they're
not
proprietary,
so
the
designs
of
the
machines
are
open
for
anybody
to
download
and
if
you
can't
build
them
yourself
and
on
the
screen,
I
have
the
two
sources.
So
this
is
the
open
source,
ecology,
website,
open
source,
ecology.org
and
then
there's
the
wiki.
A
A
I
think
all
right,
okay,
so
at
the
open
source,
ecology,
wiki
so
which
is
wiki
dot
open
source
ecology.org,
is
where
you'll
find
the
actual
all
the
designs
and
all
the
information.
A
D
E
So
this
is
yes
I'd
like
to
add
something
about
the
wiki.
Yes,
the
wiki
is
also
where,
as
we
progress
and
we
take
on
a
task,
that's
also
where
you
record
what
we
produce
or
whatever
in
the
in
the
wiki,
from
notes
to
what
we're
doing
am
I
right
ken.
A
Yes,
that's
correct,
actually,
the
fact
that
these
machines
are
all
open
source.
The
designs
are
all
free
for
anybody
to
download
and
use
in
any
way
that
they
wish
what
what
is
actually
requested
when
you
do
that
is
to
actually
feed
back
into
into
the
development
of
these
machines.
For
instance,
if
you
downloaded
the
the
plans
to
make
the
the
cb
press-
and
you
made
your
own
version
of
the
cv
press
and
you
actually
improved
on
the
design
that
you
found
you
actually,
you
are
actually
asked
to
feedback.
A
Yes,
all
right,
you
are
actually
asked
to
feed
back
into
the
wiki
to
help
develop
the
you
know
the
whole
gvcs,
so
it's
actually
a
way
of
the
premise
behind
open
source
is
that
the
machines
are
developed
by
a
global
network
of
people.
A
So
the
idea
is
that
if
we
have
contributions
from
all
over
the
globe
to
improve
the
designs,
then
it
will
develop
faster
than
and
be
a
better
product
than
proprietary
machines
right.
Okay,
maybe
okay,
later
I'll,
show
you
I'll
show
you
one
of
my
my
my
logbook.
A
So
you
can
we
actually
keep.
You
can
keep
a
log
on
the
wiki
of
what
you're
actually
doing
and
we're
involved
in.
E
Right
all
right
again,
yeah
for
the
as
we
start,
this
osc
botswana.
D
A
Yes,
yeah:
the
idea
is
to
try
and
be
as
open
as
possible,
so
that
people
can
actually
replicate
what
we're
doing
you
know
and
have
an
easier
time
of
actually
maybe
opening
their
own
osc
chapter
wherever
they
are.
A
Yeah,
so
so
even
the
plans,
the
the
the
business
plan
that
I've
written
is,
is
on
the
wiki.
It's
also
on
the
wiki
as
well
all
right,
so
the
gvcs,
the
global
construction
statism
is
a
modular
diy,
low-cost
set
of
blueprints
that
enables
fabrication
of
the
50
diff
different
industrial
machines
that
it
takes
to
build
a
small,
sustainable
civilization
with
all
the
modern
comforts.
A
A
Who
have
we
got
somebody
else
wanting
to
join
so
this
is
this
is
from
2018.,
so
the
tractor,
the
micro
tractor,
is
actually
complete.
I
would
say
that's
at
100
percent,
now
the
micro
house,
for
us,
the
micro
houses,
or
at
least
for
me
the
micro
house,
is
not
of
much
interest
because
it's
of
stick
frame
construction
which
in
africa
I
think
stick
frame,
is
not
not
the
way
to
go
because
of
termites.
We.
A
So
cvs
are
the
for
me
the
better
bet
right,
but,
as
you
can
see
from
the
list,
I
mean
it's
a
pretty
long
list
of
things
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
impressed
with
when
I
got
to
missouri
osc
missouri
was
was
the
was
the
setup
there.
I
mean
it
was
nice
to
see
that
it
was
all
there,
but
also
what
was
disappointing
was
this
state
of
development.
I
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
much
more
done
or
you
know
much.
D
A
Further
development,
but
I
think
that's
a
problem
with
getting
people
to
participate
when
they're,
actually
working
jobs-
and
you
know
it's
difficult
to
get
time
off
right
right,
but
at
the
moment.
So
what
we're
looking
at
now
is
the
3d
printer,
the
cv
press,
the
power
cube
and
the
tractor.
These
are
products
which
are
ready,
which
are
already
ready,
so
merchant
is
actually
sold
3d
printers,
he
sold
the
cb
press
and
you
need
a
power
cube
to
actually
operate.
A
The
cv
press,
so
power
cube,
is
is
done
and
the
tractor
and
the
idea
is
every
time
there's
a
build
of
these
machines.
It
should
feed
back
into
the
original
design
to
develop
it
or
to
improve
it
right.
Okay,
so
I
have
a
note
here:
micro
micro
houses
stick
frame
construction
not
suited
for
warm
climate
because
of
termites
right.
So
the
the
oec
vision.
A
The
oec
vision
is
to
create
a
world
of
collaborative
design
for
a
transparent
and
inclusive
economy
of
of
abundance.
So
this
is,
I
actually
lifted
this
from
the
osce
vision,
osc
missouri,
but
what
does
it
mean?
For
me?
It
means
free
and
open
information
used
to
create
products
that
have
a
meaningful
up
impact
on
african
lives
and
not
dependent
on
global
supply
chains.
A
A
D
E
A
No,
no,
no!
No,
we
have
we
have
iron
ore,
there's
just
there's
a
new
mine
that
just
opened
up
and
has
actually
supplied
its
first
shipment
to
china
last.
I
think
it
was
last
october,
but
yeah
there
is.
I
know
there
is.
I
know
I
just
discovered
it's
only
it's
about
the
mine
is
about
a
hundred
miles
away
from
my
proposed
osce
months
at
dd
or
ac
botswana
site
yeah
and.
D
A
Osi
monster
dvd,
the
area
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
an
area
called
monsadilli
where
there's
a
land
of
about
128
hectares
land
available.
It's.
It
consists
of
eight
plots
of
16
hectares
each
which
belong
to
members
of
my
family.
So
I
still
have
to
negotiate
with
them
about
this
land,
but
it's
it's
actually
not
being
used.
So
it's
it's
a
terrible
waste
and
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
use
this
land
because
it's
like
the
location
of
the
land
is
about
in
the
middle
of
botswana.
E
A
You
did
courtesy
did
some
research
about
working.
What
is
it?
They
have
a
workshop
there,
a
metal
workshop
yeah.
I
was
actually
trying
to
get
into
the
site,
but
I
couldn't
it
was
working
very,
very
slowly.
E
D
E
It's
difficult
to
get
in
it,
it
takes.
It
takes
a
good
while
to
get
in
it,
and
then
it
seems
like
it
shuts
down
at
night
time.
E
D
Probably
gotta
have.
E
Somebody
to
go
visit
them,
but
you
say:
you're
getting
ready
to
go.
A
Yeah
by
the
end
of
this
month,
I'll
be
going
back
to
botswana
to
take
up
a
job
unfortunately,
but
need
needs.
Must
I
have
to
be
able
to
feed
the
family
so
yeah,
but
I
mean
once
I'm
there
I'll
be
able
to
get
in
touch
with
them,
and
I
don't
know-
and
also
I
want
to
try
and
start
sourcing
funding
from
cida,
which
is
our
citizen
entrepreneurship
development
agency.
A
So
they
have
development,
they
have
loans
to
to
start
enterprises.
A
Then
the
other
thing
that
derek
brought
up
was
a
public
benefit
corporation
registered
to
be
registered
in
the
usa
to
primarily
to
source
funding,
or
rather
fundraising
in
the
us,
but
I
think
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
later,
I
think
derek
will
take
the
lead
on
that.
E
A
A
I
think
this
is
following
in
from
curtis's
advice
in
terms
of
being
a
non-profit
in
terms
of
sourcing
funding
and
and
the
profit
for
profit,
business
will
come
later
once
we're
up
and
running,
and
then
the
idea
is
to
build
a
micro
factory
to
fabricate
machines
which
will
provide
bootstrapping
finance
for
to
be
able
to
launch
other
businesses
from
that
and
then
also
because
it's
an
educational
institution,
we
need
classrooms,
we
need
dormitories
and
this
will
primarily
be
an
off-grid
facility.
A
Just
calling
it
that
I
basically
outlined
in
the
osc
campus
business
plan,
which
I've
shared
with
you
guys
and
also
on
whatsapp
and
telegram,
and
on
my
log
wikilog,
and
I
think
the
first
thing
we
need
to
establish
there
is
water
supply.
There's
no
water,
there's.
D
A
Yes,
yes,
very
true,
yes,
true
yeah,
most
of
our
water
does
come
from
underground.
We
do
it's
quite
common
to
get
water
from
underground
and
establish
a
power
supply
and
then
to
build
the
foundation
to
build
the
workshop
foundation
and
the
structure
and
the
roofing
the
roof.
I'm
planning
will
be
a
pv
roof
pv.
A
It
will
be
a
roof
made
out
of
pv
panels.
You
know
what
martian
called
the
ruthless
roof.
Pv
roofless
roof
right,
so
the
roof
itself
will
be
the
pv
panels
and
then
to
develop
the
interest
infrastructure
for
student
accommodation,
classroom,
kitchen
and
dining
facilities
as
well
right
before
we
can
actually
bring
any
students
on
on
site.
E
All
right,
I
was
looking
at
vincenzo's
wiki.
D
E
And
the
the
well
driller
that
is
used
to
drill
the
wheels
there's
a
possibility.
I've
seen
it
on
some
tractors,
and
I
know
they
have
some
like
that
here,
where
they,
the
the
whale
driller,
is
made
onto
the
back
of
the
tractor
or
attachment
that
you
put
on
there.
C
E
And
the
the
world
really
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
tools
that.
D
E
About
designing
the
3d,
the
free
cad
portion
of
it
and
then
let
the
I
imagine
we're
going
to
get
some
help
from
some
of
the
students
at
that
technical
university.
There.
D
C
A
You
say
vincenzo's
wiki
did
he
have
a
design
for
the
for
the
well
driller
already.
E
What
what
he
have
on
his
wiki
is
his
progress
through
three
for
the
freak
head
and
and
cad
drawing.
E
So
I'm
like,
I
think
he
went
to
school
for
care
and
then
so
he
applied
adapted
it
to
the
free
cad,
but
he
did
show
that
some
of
the
things
that
he
had
created
using
free,
cred
free
cad-
and
I
was
just
you
know,
going
kind
of
want
to
bring
that
to
him
about
designer.
E
Now
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
in
this
tractor
he
didn't
what
what
what
martian
didn't
do
is
put
a
3d,
a
three-point
hitch
on
the
back
of
the
tractor,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
supposed
to
come
up
with
with
ourselves.
So
I
I
did
look
at
some
of
them.
E
E
2020
version
to
put
a
a
a
3d
hitch
because
for
plowing
cultivating
anything,
you
need
like
anything
like
that.
You're
gonna
need
your
three
that
three-point
hitch.
D
A
E
Probably
because
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
people,
that's
participating
in
osc
that
needs
to
will
drilling
like,
like
you
say,
the
country
of
botswana
was
was
land
locked
and
you
know
don't
have
a
water
source
like
like
in
other
places.
Yes,
but
being
that
now
we
yet
we
at
that
point,
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
do.
D
E
A
Actually,
my
uncle
my
uncle
trevor
is,
I
don't
know
I
think,
he's
doing
some
farming
in
that
area,
so
he
was
saying
that
to
drill
you
need
to
be
able
to.
You
need
to
drill
about
200
meters.
You
were
saying:
okay,
200
meters
is
how
many
feet.
I
have
no
idea.
A
Yeah
he
said
safe
depth
is
about
200
meters.
Okay,
all
right!
That's
a
lot
yeah!
Okay!
Moving
on,
so
the
long
term
plan
is
to
be
able
to
create
a
platform
out
of
the
osce
out
of
the
educational
facility,
from
which
other
business
enterprises
can
spring
from.
So
we're
talking
about
things
like
you
know,
so,
with
the
if
we
start
with
the
educational
facility,
teaching
people,
how
teaching
young
people
or
running
out.
Oh
we've
only
got
10
minutes
left
well,
and
I
can't
upgrade.
A
Okay,
maybe
we
can
start
another
meeting
immediately
after
is
that,
would
that
be
all
right?
Actually,
sorry.
A
A
A
All
right,
okay,
great,
actually,
I've.
I
spent
a
long
time
talking.
A
This
was
supposed
to
be
like
a
10
minute
short
introduction,
but
anyway,
let
me
just
finish
off,
so
the
idea
was
to
create
a
platform
for
which
other
businesses
business
enterprises
can
spring
from
and
for
it,
for
instance,
if
we
build
the
the
cb
price,
so
that
creates
a
whole
stream
where
you
can
stream
business,
where
you
can
do
cb
housing,
con
construction,
business,
solving,
affordable
housing,
then
there's
agricultural
businesses,
which
also
spring
from
all
the
tooling
that
we
can
make.
A
You
know
the
tractor
and
whatever
implements
that
can
be
made
from
so
there's
a
there's,
a
whole
list
of
businesses
or
the
idea.
That's
the
idea
that
I
would.
I
would
like
to
see
that
from
this
we
can.
What
is
it
explode
into
all
sorts
of
other
businesses
to
be
able
to
to
to
farm,
to
be
able
to
build
houses?
A
E
A
Yeah,
what
is
it
the
the
public
benefits
public
benefit?
Corporation
public
benefit,
corporation.
A
So
I'm
hoping
that
jack
will
be
one
of
our
instructors
since
he's
our
instructors
are
master
fabricators.
A
All
right,
okay,
so
I
think,
can
I
ask
derek
to
just
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
public
benefit
corporation.
B
I'll
just
proceed
and
if
you
can
I'll
just
repeat
it
unnecessary,
I
I
wanted
to
speak
to
you
guys
a
little
bit
about
a
corporate
structure
that
may
fit
for
what
ken
you're
you're
trying
to
develop
botswana
and
it
kind
of
stems
from
you
know
my
kind
of
moral
compass
and
the
things
that
kind
of
drive
me
from
a
business
standpoint
and
a
social
responsibility
standpoint,
and
I
discovered
you
know
this
corporate
structure.
B
After
doing
some
research
about
how
you
know
I
could
be
most
effective
in
my
mission
of
you
know,
not
only
you
know
helping,
you
know
our
general
mankind,
but
also
you
know
the
planet
and
also
make
it
you
know
profitable,
for
you
know
my
shareholders
and
you
know
for
myself,
so
I
did
a
little
research
on
this
corporate
structure
that
is
allowed
in
most
of
the
states
here
in
the
united
states
and
it's
called
a
public
benefit
corporation
and
it's
very
similar
to
a
non-profit.
B
But
there
are
some
differences
that
need
to
be
considered
before
you
know
deciding.
If
this
is
the
right,
you
know
structure
now,
most
people
know
what
a
non-profit
is,
and
you
know
they're
familiar
with
some
of
the
advantages
of
it,
one
being
a
501c3
classification
status
and
the
501c3
is
a
tax
designation
that
allows
for
nonprofits
to
be
taxed.
You
know
you
know
as
a
nonprofit
versus
as
a
for-profit
business.
B
So
when
it
comes
to
work
like
you
know,
osp,
and
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
you
know
those
type
of
structures
are
are
common.
However,
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
about
a
public
benefit
corporation,
which
is
very
similar,
like
I
said
to
the
non-profit,
but
I
don't
believe-
and
you
know
I've
done-
some
studies
in
some
states
allow
it
to
be
kind
of
classified
as
a
public
benefit
non-profit,
and
there
might
be
some
501
t3
status
that
could
be
attached
to
that.
B
However,
most
people
who
choose
the
public
benefit
corporation
choose
it,
because
you
have
the
option
of
actually
being
a
for-profit,
but
still
have
those
same
goals
and
missions
that
are
back
basically
focused
on
planet
people
and
profit
without
actually
having
to
be
dedicated.
As
a
non-profit,
you
could
take
profit
bits,
you
could,
you
know
kind
of
function
as
a
regular
c
corporation,
and
the
only
thing
that
you
have
to
do
when
you
file
for
your
articles
and
corporation
is
put
a
destination
in
there.
B
That's
your
public
benefit
corporation
and
that
basically
gives
you
kind
of
like
the
the
authority
within
the
organization
as
board
of
directors
or
directors
to
stay
focused
on
mission,
critical
things
like
the
planet
and
the
people
over
shareholders
profits.
B
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
differentiate
that,
because
most
of
the
time
in
corporations,
you're
pigeonholed
to
the
shareholders
in
their
direction
versus
like
the
direction
of
the
you
know,
the
overall
organization
and
their
mission,
so
you're
not
solely
focused
on
profits,
but
you're
focused
on
the
things
that
you
know
really
make
up
the
organization's
foundation.
B
I
think
there's
a
way
to
utilize
this
in
a
way
where
it
could
be
like
a
a
organization
that
could
facilitate
some
of
the
fundraising
here
in
the
united
states.
For
projects
in
africa-
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
vehicle
because
a
lot
of
people
they
want
to
do
things
but
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
they're
looking
for
profit,
and
this
is
a
way
to
kind
of
do.
You
know
those
type
of
impactful
things
in
africa
and
still
profit
in
a
way.
E
A
Oh
great,
okay,
derek
over
to
you.
B
D
B
Sorry
about
the
interruption
there,
so
I
was
speaking
about
the
difference
between
a
public
benefit
corporation.
D
B
We
were
talking
about
the
shareholders
being
the
the
most
important
aspect
of
any
for-profit
business,
so
their
mission
is
to
create
profits
for
their
shareholders
and,
unlike
a
public
benefit
corporation,
their
mission
is
kind
of
in
line
with
their
profits
and
one
of
the
other
key
components
is
you
know
it's
all
about.
B
B
You
know,
designate
that
in
your
articles
of
organization
or
incorporation,
I
should
say
we
were
talking
corporations
so
delaware.
B
B
So
I
had
spoke
about
putting
together
the
proper
paperwork,
to
follow
that
this
is
the
direction
the
group
would
like
to
go
in,
and
you
know
the
idea
is
to
utilize
this
organization
to
garner
attention
of
investors,
and
you
know
policy
makers
here
in
the
united
states
that
have
an
interest
in
developing
programs
and
you
know,
organizations
and
in
the
africa
region.
B
So
those
are
you
know
some
things
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
the
group
because,
like
I
said
you
know,
you're
able
to
have
some
benefits
of
like
a
non-profit
but
be
a
for-profit
business
and
in
the
case
of
the
united
states
you
know,
that's
you
know,
being
a
capitalist,
you
know,
country,
you
know
that's
kind
of
what
drives
people
in
investing
so
something
to
consider.
You
know
I
I
looked
at
this
for
my
own.
B
You
know
platform
here
in
california
that
I'm
trying
to
to
develop
and
it
allows
for
you
to
you
know,
participate
on.
You
know
grants
you
know
and
some
other
things
that
is
not
available
to
an
individual
or
certain
organization.
So
something
to
consider
and
like
I
said,
I've
shared
some
links
and
some
information
and
definitions
of
what
a
public
benefit
organization
is
and
I'll
be
happy
to
put
more
on
a
wikileak
or
something
like
that
for
people
who
want
to
research.
It.
B
You
asking
for
a
timeline
or
how
long
it
will
take
to
set
up
a
a
corporation
to
be
able
to
provide
funding
for
projects
and
efforts.
E
B
Well,
typically,
you
know
the
process
of
setting
up
a
corporation
is
all
based
on
the
person
who's
following,
so
it's
just
an
online
document
that
could
be
filled
out.
You
know
in
an
hour
or
less,
and
once
you,
you
know,
you
know,
send
it
in
it
takes
typically
about
in
california.
It
takes
about
four
to
five
days
and
they'll.
B
Send
you
a
certified
copy
that
has
been
filed
with
the
state
and
then
from
there
you
will
file
for
a
ein
number
with
the
you
know
the
irs
and
then
now
allow
for
you
to
open
up
a
bank
account
and
with
the
papers
of
your
articles
and
your
your
ein
number.
B
The
person
who
is
you
know
on
the
you
know
the
documents,
as
a
director
officer,
has
the
ability
to
open
up
a
bank
account
here
domestically
and
then
at
that
point
you
know
you
want
to
make
sure
you
have
your
articles.
You
know
kind
of
in
place
with
your
bylaws
and
whatever
else
share
holders
certificates
and
things
that
need
to
be
issued.
You
know
all
of
that
could
be
done
within.
B
You
know
to
answer
your
question,
maybe
a
week
or
two
and
then
from
there
you
know,
there's
no
like
special
tax
filing,
like
you
would
do
with
a
50c
501
c3,
where
you
have
to
you
know,
wait
for
them
to.
You
know
on
the
federal
level
to
send
you
all
the
document
that
that
could
take
months
two
years,
but
this
is
just
literally
just
filing.
You
know
as
a
corporation
and
designating
yourself
as
a
public
benefit
corporation,
and
your
tax
filings
are
similar
to
a
c
corporation.
B
So
that's
at
the
end
of
the
year,
and
you
know
you
have
a
fiscal
year,
your
fiscal
years.
You
know
the
time
you
say
that
the
organization
started
to
do
the
you
know
the
following
year
on
that
date,.
D
D
E
Basically
that
that
was
as
far
as
getting
this
started,
where,
where
derek
is
saying
the
weak
kendo
that
fit
for
you.
E
There
was
saying
it
takes
about
a
week
to
set
up
this
this
none
this
public
corporation.
Is
that
what
you?
What
you
wanted,
because,
like
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
how
the
people
like?
In
other
words,
it
sounds
like
it's.
A
quasi
steer,
shareholding
corporation.
D
B
E
Do
you
do
you
know
any
any
philanthropists
or
that
would
potentially
join
the
group
once
we
got
it
set
up
or
because
I'm
not
really
understanding
how
the
funds
is
generated?
It
goes
to
the
norm
to
the,
for
instance,
for
for
the
osc
box
one,
or
does
that
have
to
be
a
non-profit
to
get
funds
from
the
group
that
you
talking
about
derrick.
E
The
cash
flow
from
say
the
group
that
you
set
up
in
the
united
states,
the
the
fun
that
is
used
for
that
one
is
defunct.
Is
investor
funds?
Am
I
right?
Yes,
so.
E
Okay,
so
so
the
funds,
then
they
first
put
it
into
that
organization
guy
and
then
that
organization
funnels
the
to
the
nonprofit
in
botswana,
correct,
okay,.
E
I
guess
the
only
thing
after
that
is:
do
we
have
any
potential
or
do
you
do?
You
have
any
potential
investors
there
that
that
you
know
the
middleware
there's
a
goal
that
we're
trying
to
reach
right
can
a
goal,
a
startup
goal
or
amount
that
you're
trying
to
reach?
Am
I
right
ken.
A
The
thing
is
the
way
that
I
wrote
the
business
plan
it
was
based
on
a
it
was
based
on
a
startup
in
botswana,
looking
at
the
local
local
looking.
A
Looking
at
the
local
scene
in
boston,
where
you
have
like
funding
agencies
like
sida
and
who
have
a
ceiling
ceiling
funding,
you
know
like
four
million
pula,
so
I
I
was
actually
targeting
that.
That
is
not
to
say
that
I
mean
the
four
million
pula.
Is
it's
it's
a
bit?
A
I
I
I
it
is
it's
not
it's
not
really
enough.
It's
not
really
enough
for
the
machines
that
we
need
to
get
to
be
able
to
start
the
the
the
the
whole.
What
is
it
the
whole
enterprise
from
the
beginning.
E
Well,
do
you
have
a
amount
that
you
would
need
to
start
to
get
to
the
stage
what
you
talking
about
ken
the
startup
stage,
complete
it
or.
A
I
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
figures,
because
what
I
was
doing
was,
I
was
shaving
off.
I
was
shaving
off
amounts
to
to
try
and
get
it
to
all
fit
in
within
the
four
million
puller.
So
if
I,
if,
if
I
was
actually
to
look
at
it
realistically
and
say
okay,
this
is
how
much
we
need
for
the
equipment.
This
is
how
much
we
need
for
the
workshop.
This
is
how
much
we
need
for
the
buildings,
the
you
know,
the
the
dormitories
and
the
classrooms.
A
Then
I
would
probably
come
for
the
figure.
That's
more
than
four
million
and
four
million.
D
A
Well:
40
million;
okay!
Yes,
all
right!
Okay!
No!
I
was
looking
at
the
cedar
site
and
I
was
initially
looking
at
the.
What
do
they
call
it?
The
manufacturing
loan
and
yes,.
C
A
So
I
don't
know,
maybe
I'll
need
to
get
in
touch
with
them
to
ask
them
what
the
limit
is,
but.
D
A
A
I
have
quotations
for
the
iron
worker
and
all
those
different
pieces
of
equipment,
and
it
just
it
doesn't
fit
into
four
million
four
million
plus
really
is
not
enough.
E
Okay,
but
like
for
the
building
itself,.
D
E
You
need
the
brick
maker,
the
compressor
or
or
maybe
a
couple
of
them.
I
don't
I'm
not
sure,
but
you
you
definitely
need
to
prepare
and
you
need
to
steal
the
rebar
that
goes
into
the
the
foundation.
D
E
And
possibly
the
steel
to
make
to
make
the
the
the
brick
machine.
E
D
E
And
you
need
you
need
the
money
for
concrete
and
for
the
for
the
floor
and
stuff
like
that.
D
E
And
and
now
I
was
looking
for
a
figure
there-
dollar
figure
what
what
you
can
say,
okay
and
then
we
look
for
is
cedar
gonna.
Do
that
or
should
we
look
to
the
group
that
derek
is
talking
about.
A
D
A
I
I
like
I
said
I
was
trying
to
fit
everything
in
within
the
cedar
budget,
but
if
what
larato
is
saying
this
we've
increased
the
amount
how
to
divide
it.
I
I'll
need
to
go
back
and
see
what
I
can.
D
D
A
Maybe
maybe
we
could
have
maybe
schedule
another
meeting
and
then
at
that
other
meeting,
then
we
can
also
come
up
with.
I
think
what
derek
also
mentioned
was
that,
in
order
to
set
up
this
for
public
benefit
corporation,
he
he
would
need
names,
he
would
need
the
name
of
the
corporation,
he
would
need
the
officer's
names
and
he
would
need
to
know
how
many
shares
to
be
issued
and
corporation
address.
A
B
Sure,
typically,
you
need
a
president,
a
treasurer
and
a
secretary.
So
three,
however,
in
some
cases
one
person
can
serve
in
all
of
those
roles
or
maybe
more
than
one
depending
on
the
state.
B
I
think
it's
another
vehicle,
I'm
not
absolutely
certain
that
it'll
work,
but
I
think
if
it's
a
a
way
to
further
development
in
africa,
I
think
this
is
one
way
that
it
could
be
done
that
I'm
familiar
with,
and
it's
all
going
to
come
down
to
projects.
You
know
that
are
viable
and
practical,
and
I
have
the
you
know
the
right
people
to
manage
it
for
people
to
want
to
to
back
it
or
finance
it.
So
it's
all
about
the
story.
B
E
B
E
That
might
that
might
help
we
kind
of
have
to
try
to
what
do
you
need
to
get
to
get
started?
If
you
say
okay,
we
got
a
week,
so
so
it
takes
about
a
week.
If
you
said
okay
and
the
week
we'll
be
we
we
could
be
at
this
stage
if
we
do
a
b
and
c
what?
What
is
it
that
you
need
us
to
do.
B
Well,
what
we
have
to
do
is
determine
the
name
we'll
have
to
identify
the
officers
we'll
have
to
fill
out
the
the
application
and
then
file
it
and
then
determine
which,
before
that
determine
which
sticky
you
want
to
do
it
in
and
then
determine.
B
If
we
want
to
do
it
kind
of
alone
or
with
legal
assistance,
they
have
organizations
and
companies
that
will
basically
do
all
of
it
for
us
for
a
fee
or
we
could
do
it
ourselves
and
save
the
you
know
the
you
know
the
the
filing
fees
that
these
organizations
come
back
for
doing.
Of
course,
so
I
sent
some
numbers
to
ken
one
state.
You
know
it's
all
different
based
on
the
state,
but
one
state.
It
was
like
a
hundred
and
fifty
to
two
hundred
dollars.
B
Another
state,
it's
about
two
hundred
to
three
hundred
dollars
to
get
done
so
that'll
be
the
cost.
You
know
I
don't
know.
If
there's
funding,
you
know
to
pay
for
it
or
if
you
know
we
all
need
to
pitch
in
or
you
know,
come
up
with
a
way
to
get
that
done,
but
it'll
cost
probably
about
300
bucks
to
get
it
off
the
ground,
and
then
I
could
do
you
know.
B
You
know
the
articles,
probably
myself
and
then
you
know
kind
of
share
it
with
the
group
and
then
we
can
give
input
on
what
we
want
in
them
and
then
come
up
with
the
shareholders.
B
B
There's
you
know
probably
some
insurance
that
needs
to
be
in
place.
You
know
a
website,
so
we
can
have
some
kind
of
presence,
so
there's
some
monies
that
need
to
go
beyond
just
setting
up
the
company.
So
all
of
that
probably
needs
to
be
discussed
before
we
decide
that
we
want
to
even
set
it
up.
E
This
is
this
way
I
think,
having
having
some
investors
already
interested
by
like,
for
instance,
if
you
come
up
with
the
idea,
the
name
or
whatever.
If
I
was
going
to
go
to
investors,
I
would
I
would
get
a.
I
would
have
a
a
a
project
that
I
could
explain
to
them.
E
What
we're
doing,
even
if
I
didn't
have
a
name
for
it,
I
would
definitely
have
the
the
the
concept
where
I
can
explain
it
to
them,
because,
depending
on
what
what
you're
trying
to
do
probably
going
to
determine,
who
would
invest
you
see?
So
so,
for
instance,
if
it
wasn't,
if
it
was
a
church,
you
were
building
a
church,
you
could
probably
use
golden
churches
and
solicit.
You
know
donations
or
something
like
that.
E
But
but
so
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
field
of
people
we
would
be
soliciting
investors
or
trying
to
get
investors
involved
from
what
from
I
don't
you
think
that
would
make
a
difference
who
we
acting
to
be
invested.
E
B
What
will
make
a
difference?
I'm
not
kind
of
clear
on
what
you're
contrasting.
E
Well,
if
we
we're
trying
to
do
a
project
where
we'll
be
building
a
a
facility
that
will
eventually
produce
machines.
Okay,
now
wha
what
group
of
investors?
I
don't
know
how
investors
work
okay
on
on
you
know
for
prop
for
for-profit
investors,
because
because
for-profit
and
investors
is
different
from
the
people
that
I
had
dealt
with
in
the
past,
where
they
were
sort
of
philanthropists
and
they
just
they
donated
money
to
different
projects.
E
It
was
sort
of
like
within
their
understanding,
they
would
make
they
make
donations,
but
that's
different
from
investors.
B
You
know
the
part
where
you're
saying,
like
you
have
a
a
set
of
investors,
so
you'll
have
an
idea
and
you'll
have
a
pitch
already
in
place
that
you
could
take
to
the
investors,
to
you
know
express
their
interests
in
a
specific
project.
You
know,
as
it
relates
to
what
type
of
investor
I'm
not
using
the
the
word
investor
in
your
traditional
sense
and-
and
I
use
that
kind
of
just
to
explain.
B
You
know
the
ability
to
to
even
have
an
investor
in
a
public
corporation
versus
a
non-profit
where
you
don't
have
investors.
What
you
have
is
you
know,
mission
driven
people
and
that
will
apply
in
the
public
benefits
side
of
things
that
we
are
talking
about
here.
So
it
will
be
like
okay,
there's
a
foundation
with
you
know
a
bunch
of
money
and
they
need
to.
You
know,
give
it
to
you
know
certain
you
know
causes
that
they've
identified
in
their.
You
know
their
strategic
plan
or
their
business
plan
or
whatever.
B
B
You
know
and
you
go
through
the
process
of
applying
for
the
funding
that
they
give
out
on
a
regular
basis
and
and
if
you
get
selected,
then
you
get
the
money
and
then
that
money
could
go
and
be
earmarked
for
the
project
in
boston,
and
I
think
you
know
the
same
thing
could
be
done
from
botswana,
but
typically
you
know
they
want
to
do
it.
Where
you.
B
Get
recognition
here
on
you
know
on
on
this
side
of
the
you
know
the
ocean
and
also
get
the
tax,
write-offs
and
all
the
other
stuff
that
go
along
with
it.
So
that's
one
form
of
like
getting
funding
and
the
idea
wasn't
just
for
investors
or
going
out
and
pitching
to
investors.
It
was
just
a
way
to
garner
support
for
projects
that
may
not
get
the
exposure
get
the
attention
that
a
u.s
company
would
get.
B
You
know
a
lot
of
people
shy
away
from
foreign
investing
investment
because
of
a
lot
of
reasons,
because
the
instability,
and
because
of
lack
of
resources,
lack
of
training
and
workforce
and
on
and
on
and
on
I've
done
international
development.
And
those
are
my
same
concerns.
So
I
know
I
would
feel
more
comfortable.
B
You
know
next
time
doing
something
with
a
company
that
has
some
experience
on
this
side
of
you
know
the
earth
and
then
being
able
to
also
translate
what
they've
you
know
done
here
over
there
or
have
a
partnership
with
someone
that
is
taking
those
same
platforms
and
ideologies
and
understandings
and
collaboration
and
doing
the
same
thing
there.
So
it'll
be
kind
of
like
an
arm
of
you
know,
whatever's
going
on
on
the
continent
of
africa.
B
It's
just
a
another
vehicle
that
that
won't
require
each
individual
country,
and
god
I
mean
like
ghana
or
any
country
in
in
in
africa
would
be
able
to
participate,
and
you
know
these
foundations
don't
have
to
like
really
worry
about
the
you
know
the
mechanics
on
how
it
all
gets
done,
because
they
will
give
it
to
a
organization
here
who
who
would
manage
it.
So
it'll
be
almost
like
a
management
fund
management,
a
crowdsourcing
type
of
thing.
B
Where
you
could,
you
know,
go
out
to
anyone
and
just
do
a
you
know:
a
pitch
deck
on
a
crowd,
source
type
of
platform
and
then
just
say:
hey,
we
got
this
project,
you
donate,
and
you
know
that's
how
you
could
you
know
go
about
it
along
with
you
know,
investors
you
could
go
to
you
know
investors
who
have
these
type
of
you
know
funds
set
aside.
E
Companies
that
was
already
into
the
business
like,
for
instance,
tractors
you
had
john
deere
alex,
came
and
the
other
ones
that
wasn't
happy
to
have
people
build
and
track
their
sales,
and
they
kind
of,
let
that
be
known,
that
they
they
wasn't.
They
wasn't
with
open
source
building
building
these
tractors.
That
would
take
business
away
from
them
if
the
idea
of
open
source
was
successful.
E
So
when
I
was
talking
about
investors,
I
was
kind
of
going
along
the
lines
that
it
almost
had
to
be
people
who
are
trying
to
have
an
understanding
that
you're
trying
to
help
bring
something
into
a
position
that
that's
needed
by
by
a
particular
group
that
can't
buy
from
the
main
corporations
can't
afford
get.
What
I'm
saying
you
know
you
take
a
giant
d
attractive
at
40
thousand
dollars,
and
then
you
actually
ask
somebody
in
botswana.
E
Can
you
can
you
help?
Can
you
afford
a
40,
000,
u.s
dollar,
attractive
based
off
of
the
wages
that
they
making
in
botswana?
E
So
so
that
was
one
of
the
problems
that
open
source
had
when
they
were
pitching
the
idea
of
building
these
tractors
and
letting
the
communities
build.
The
tractors
themselves
versus
buying
john
deere-
I
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
clear,
I
don't
talk
that
well,
but
I'm
trying
to
get
the
idea
of
what
what
was
happening
first
versus
an
investor
that
wants
to
invest
for,
say
the
iron
ore,
the
potential
resources,
just
that's
on
the
that's
on
the
property.
He
said.
Okay,
this
this.
E
This
thing
has
20
20
million
tons
of
iron
ore
and
you're,
going
to
find
all
the
investors
that
want
to
invest
in
in
minerals
interested,
but
for
for
building
the
machines
that
botswana
need
finding.
I
think
finding
investors
that
that
ain't,
just
how
you
say
they
couldn't
out
there
they're
not
for
profit
they're,
just
trying
to
help.
E
I
think
that
might
be
something.
In
any
case
I
will,
I
would
follow
y'all
believe
y'all,
say
hey.
This
is
what
we
want
to
try
to
do.
Okay,
that's
that's
right
with
me.
B
Yeah,
it's
just
again
just
one
option
or
a
vehicle.
I
don't
think
it's.
It's
gonna,
be
the
the
the
everything
because
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
there's
a
lot
of
obstacles.
You
know
to
you
know
to
even
get
in
a
position
to
even
take
anymore.
B
You
know
donation
or
funds
or
money
right.
So
this
is
something
that
you
know.
We
could
just
kind
of
have
in
the
background
and
have
it
work
in
parallel
with
what's
going
on
on
the
ground
over
there,
and
then
you
know,
I
think
people
would
be
more
interested
in
targeted
investment,
so
it
would
have
to
be
for
something
like
specific
things
that
they
could
actually
wrap
their
arms
around
and
see
a
profit
and
loss
statement
on
that
particular
business.
A
lot
of
people
get
uncomfortable
and
I've
you
know
developed.
B
You
know
these
type
of
platforms
where
you
have
these
whole
ecosystems
and
everything
kind
of
work
off
each
other
sort
of
like
you
know.
The
power
cube
is
kind
of
like
the
nucleus
for
all
the
tools
right,
so
typically
a
lot
of
people
when
they
see
a
lot
of
moving
parts,
they
don't
want
to
invest
it
they're
like
no.
You
seem
like
you're
all
over
the
place
or
you
know
I
don't
see.
B
You
know
any
focus
right
and
that's
hard,
because
the
public
benefit
organization
is,
you
know,
supposed
to
go
out
there
and
find
and
seek
all
these
different
opportunities
right.
But
the
you
know,
the
thing
that
I
think
would
probably
be
critical
here
starting
off
is
that
we
should
probably
look
at
targeted
investment
or
fundraising
or
donations
for
a
specific
component
or
piece
of
what
needs
to
happen
in
the
bigger
picture.
So
it
might
just
be
where
this
group
is
just
going
to
invest
in
building
the
building.
B
You
know,
or
this
group
is
just
going
to
invest
in
building.
You
know
the
machines
or
you
know,
building
the
greenhouse
right
and
they're
going
to
invest
in
the
production,
that's
going
to
come
from
the
greenhouse,
and
that
may
be
a
way
to
get
the
project
off
the
ground
and
then
once
there's
enough
money.
That's
been
made
for
the
local
organization,
then
they
could.
Probably
you
know
peel
off
from
the
you
know.
B
Investor
or
the
investment
could
be
for
a
period
of
time
and
be
limited,
and
then
you
can
just
go
on
and
now
it's
funded
and
it's
self-sufficient
right.
So
I
think
all
you
need
is
just
you
know,
to
get
the
ball
rolling
on
something
that
would
actually
get
you
in
place
to
open.
You
know
the
door
to
the
next
tool
or
the
next
piece
of
equipment
so
start
with
one
and
then
work
your
way
up.
So
maybe
the
business
model
plan
might
need
to
be
a
little
more
condensed.
B
Maybe
you
don't
go,
try
to
build
the
whole
village
or
at
once
just
go
build.
You
know,
3d,
you
know
printer
or
something
for
now
and
get
some
funding
and
money
going
around
that
and
the
momentum
and
then
moving
to
the
next
one
and
then
on
and
on
and
on
so
that's.
You
know
kind
of
my
overview
of
you
know
how
this
could
be
rolled
out
and.
A
Again
running
out
of
time,
three
minutes
remaining
two
minutes:
forty-five.
A
No,
no,
no
very
interesting,
very
interesting,
but
I
think
I
got
the
distinction
between
investors
because
when
you
said
investors
I
was
thinking
of
people
who
are
looking
to
get
a
return
on
their
investment
on
the
money
they
put
in.
But
it
could
be
people
with
more
more
like
donations.
B
D
B
A
Okay,
right,
we've
only
got
a
minute
left,
so
what
I
suggest
is,
let
me,
in
our
chats
in
our
groups,
I'll
write,
I'll
write,
just
a
quick
record
of
what
we
talked
about
and
what
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
getting
the
the
public
benefit.
Corporation
started
with.
That
sounds.
B
E
Okay,
okay,
but
if
I
do,
I
want
to
do
it
on
telegram.
B
A
A
Me
it's
almost
midnight,
so
I'm
I'm
off
to
bed.
B
A
And
nice
to
see
you
jack,
you
too.