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From YouTube: Updated Critical Path on the Seed Eco-Home Production Build

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Water:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/398759490316633/posts/1971990372993529/

1000 Hour Build Budget:

https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/SEH_2_Revenue_Model_Scenarios#scenarios

Seed Eco-Home 2 Prototype:

https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Seed_Home_v2

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A

Or crew assembled by that time, but you're going to be working on land and in the foundation plan anyways, right, yeah, okay,.

A

Where does the do you think it's it's feasible to dedicate any time to that grant application I sent to you and like before october, 29th yeah, I mean like I I'm obviously gonna help you do it, but there's a lot of like the other applications, a lot of admin data. I don't have that.

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I would prefer that you, you want to fill out and obviously you're gonna need to review a bunch of stuff.

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Yeah, how much I mean it depends how much time it takes. What would.

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The amount of time it would be to.

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Get in all that those details.

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um I mean, if you give me a couple weeks: I'll have most of it filled out and so then it'll just be a matter of you reviewing and then I would say like two three hours.

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It doesn't have to be a level.

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um That would be a problem now.

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What's the so, what's the payoff there, the the idea there is that there's potential funding for starting the training programs right which we can pump directly into. As far as I can see from the description.

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Right into our apprenticeship we're recruiting people that want.

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To build who want jobs, you know, so we have kind of high alignment on that. That.

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Route, it combines.

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Elites who might want to join the program but for me I'm absolutely combining.

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Like this is like the the messaging is going to be we're combining.

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The trades and we're combining the intelligentsia and the proletarians here this is.

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That kind of message.

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They don't get yeah, they don't care about that. What they care about is like. The federal government has certain categories of special populations that they want to serve as a part of the american recovery plan.

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So it's like you know, people who are currently employed but are looking to change jobs, people that don't have work or like unemployed underemployed people that live in, um like certain census, tracts that are impoverished or whatever yeah, and so, if you design like that, what they care about is you have a recruiting and training program that targets specifically one of those groups which is like for us super easy, like between kyle smith, the kyle smith organization for return citizens and the veteran program like we easily could focus on multiple of those populations.

B

Does is the one target population potentially veterans as well like that's that's right.

A

Yeah it's a weird thing like like you would think that it would be. But it's not um this. This money is, is specifically tied to increased job and like labor participation and uh employment. So, like veterans, are not uh a subset, but it to me that, like that's, not that big of a deal.

B

Right and the thing is I mean the the requirement on our side is: are people willing to learn and get into a program of lifelong learning and.

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That kind of a mindset where it's not like you're just getting into this crap, but it's better, but this is, I mean ideals, are higher than that and that's how I would definitely pitch it, because people who are gonna stagnate, they're gonna, burn they're gonna. You know burn out.

B

Or move on you know right.

A

I mean they they're getting their yeah they're evaluating applications on like uh like, or is the company upskilling the labor force? Is the company, um including pre, like parts of the population that aren't typically employed at this rate? Are they like creating opportunities we hit all that we exceed by a strip a long stretch like anything that they're looking for so yeah? I just need to take a look at that application start pulling stuff out. You.

B

Know just a quick view of it: it looked really good and it's I don't see any misalignment. I mean this is exactly what we're about right.

A

Right, the the heart, the hard part for me, like that's, not the hard part, but like the specifics we need to get into at the level of budget. uh I don't know if the grant proposal we already have is gonna cut it, but um I know that you put together a lot of numbers already so like that'll take some time for me to go through. I just need to take a look at it or take a swing at it and then send you like hey. I need help with x, section.

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And, and is this consistent.

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With we're developing those.

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Those opportunities or it's like they want people who are already up and running. I mean to what extent can we fund infrastructure development curriculum.

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Yeah, there's uh I owe you a clear answer, but my understanding is they there's upfront money to get the project started and then there's reimbursement, money for capital expenditure and under capital expenditure. You can do things like pay for child care, for labor participants and travel expenses to a certain degree, and you can actually use it to renovate facilities.

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You just can't use it to build a new facility so like they have criteria for what you're allowed to use the money for, um and it's it's in that guide. I just don't have the answer.

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At the top of my head.

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Sounds good to me because we've got plenty of stuff to to build a new and plenty.

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Of stuff to renovate and upgrade and.

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That, as far as even going radical on the child care.

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I mean this one guy here in town brand. We.

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Actually started talking about the potential of setting up.

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It's a franchise, that's.

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Advanced child.

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Care, this is about actually school.

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Detracting like.

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You know the major times, of course, crap and all that, but I feel much better. After doing.

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The the water and plumbing, which is like oh yeah, it's better than expected, so it's like it's super sweet, so it was fast and we're gonna probably do it. It was so fast. It's probably two we're gonna be able to do.

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Times as fast as I thought,.

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Were aiming for it man, the simplicity, does it and all doing all the shark bite quick, fit quick fittings and all that.

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Feel pretty good.

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About that I will have.

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If we push the event all the way back to november, um then I don't.

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See a problem with the timing.

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There's time to fill out all this kind of stuff, multiple tracks of uh engagement, yeah.

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But more I mean we're we're fast approaching. I'm just wondering like when the best time to start put like actively putting the word out for the crew to recruit.

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The crew, let's see, let me see, look at the critical path. uh I'm.

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Looking at it now, yeah.

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That'll give you.

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It'll give you 15 days to uh from when we get approval, to get like a permit of some kind and like find a lot. Is that what you're saying due.

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Diligence to closing and that's we're going to have land at october, 15., okay,.

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That's where we can close on the permit.

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But I'm going to go into like permanent consultation.

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Like I'm going to, you know.

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Make contact with all the people we're.

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In because this, these two weeks will be okay, identify a few lots and then we.

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Say: okay, we want to do this and then I'll check in with them, because we're basically ready to go. The closing is like 30 days from offer.

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To to title, because.

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You need a survey and title search.

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All this kind of stuff.

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So it's like it looks like.

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October 15.

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According to industry standard time skills, that's october, 15 is minimum.

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What what I think is uh critical is this part what I'm looking at october, 1 just getting that big check over there.

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Of more um more.

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Proofing like like before, I do something.

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It's not real. It's yeah, it's just not real! That's what I'm just saying. Having done the.

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Water plumbing part, oh.

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I'm I'm like I.

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Can now say before I contact overwatch, because I feel that.

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Level of comfort, for me to say: okay now I can commit fully to make sure that okay, we're.

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Gonna get in there. Those finishing details are gonna, be as effective as.

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The structural, which we're very familiar with.

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Yeah so I I say october 1.

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Whether we have the land or not, I don't think it matters, because.

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We're going to have to close.

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In on land, we still have uh 45 days for land.

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um From october 1., well, you got to do foundations, but.

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We've got a full month from october 1.

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Close off on land, so if we, if the land closure takes more than october 15th, we've got.

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Two weeks there, um which.

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We have a buffer, so that's good! That's, I think. That's pretty safe.

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And how, how close are we to getting automated villain material.

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Oh, that part that.

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Part is the automated part.

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Is not not critical at the level of the one house, because we've got a detailed bill of money.

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It that's for subsequent.

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But yeah materials.

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Feel good about that I mean we're not sourcing anything exotic uh heat pumps- we've gone through uh we've got like three different ones that we looked into, that we know how to source that's kind of like some tricky tricky items. uh Yeah.

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Everything is too.

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Standard it's standard, pretty standard. Okay, so I'm not worried about materials.

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Foundations, that means uh what.

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I would do, is I.

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Would rent a bobcat from the rent one for for 3k for a full month, so we do the foundations and have it available during the build as well for any other. If we need it so I'd rent one for a month.

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What are you worried about.

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September 1 to october 1.

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Engineering, I feel good permit. I mean land land.

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It's a different game like st joe there's, some really sweet land that I went for a bike ride last weekend, holy cow. I got some nice places and it's.

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Acre for 20 000.

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I just looked at a lot 20 000 for a beautiful acre.

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So, just getting that that check the track, meaning uh a whole year that it takes to document. You know the last decade of building things effectively now culminating in here's like trim, trim and finish detail.

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So but I don't see too much too much surprises there, because so far everything that I've done turned out.

B

I would say um as good or better, I had trouble with the siding, but that's because I was out there in the freezing cold, so it was actually physically very challenging uh when it was cold and you're up at height. uh So I had to pretty much go in inside for a bunch of time and it took a long time, but we.

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That we simplified the top, because we, I don't know if you remember, we simplified the top two to nine feet instead of eight. So we don't have to uh do all that work on.

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The trellis upstairs.

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Kind of the house.

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The house actually contains already so we have to build it. That's easier, yeah.

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So things got you.

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Know through all this time, this extremely long extended.

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Process through the process, smoothing things out as.

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Well, that's that's what.

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Happens. That's why it's.

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It's taking forever, but.

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Like, as soon as anything is.

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Done it's like oh yeah, love it loving it as good or better.

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So um there's also the the question. The apprenticeship.

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So um that thing is pretty canned, so I think the turnaround is gonna be quick, especially since we've been working with jeremy for a long time. um My question to you, though, is I, don't think that they're gonna, let us start the apprenticeship with the first build, because once the build is over, there's no guarantee. We don't have a guarantee yet that the the apprentices are going to be able to roll into the next.

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B

So I'm talking apprenticeship is more like marsh.

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Okay yeah, so so I guess what I'm saying is I I can like we can work with germany get everything approved just like we did with the production technologist one uh and then treat the first build like the pilot for the apprenticeship and then expand on that. So, like once once we're confident that we can run this thing consistently for several months, then we drop the paperwork and it's like a rubber stamp.

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Yeah I mean I look at it as we. We proved.

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The economics there economics.

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Ergonomics, which yeah I mean we're.

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Putting in 50k for labor I'm expecting that to be 25k.

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Like once, we get going here we're over budgeting, so we could do it absolutely on time. So now and.

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Then, the three months after that is like getting the apprenticeship and getting uh curriculum and facility.

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It's um so it's not continuing. It's actually developing.

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After that, so that's a milestone.

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We prove that we proved that we have confidence.

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Program, development.

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How was the, how was the 50k over budget? I thought a thousand hours at 50.

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I wanna like right now: I'm.

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Going more for like the 500 number, so it's probably going to be 7.50 uh hours like when you look at every single step. You count the hours. um I.

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Was budgeting a thousand.

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Crews that come in for that- and you know nobody's done.

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It before it's like you're, trying to work out the flow.

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Gonna be some loss there, even if it's with professionals I mean my biggest concern is the professionals that do come.

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It's common for for trace people to.

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What the what the owner wants them to build and just build it a different way, and they say sorry, I'm either not doing it or I'm going to build.

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It my way that's common and well.

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I mean, I think, if you so, if you're advertising 50 bucks an hour, you, my guess, is you're gonna be able to be selective.

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And that's that's what I'm saying like we're. Gonna have to make sure we.

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Questions that the people are absolute team players that don't.

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Things a different way: I'm gonna, I'm gonna make sure that this one.

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Clear because even the experience back in what was july.

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Right, I thought I was done with it. It wasn't so I'm gonna make it man, I'm gonna, be strict, absolutely strict on that.

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Like if there's anything.

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That people are.

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Not not on board no just move on like not.

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This guy, you know, maybe.

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We can teach.

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Them no! No! No! No.

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They're gonna have to be just open minded, just open minded.

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You know right because.

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Which is just the way the trades work that's risk that uh they don't take on. They don't take.

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The world of construction forward so yeah.

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No, I I hear you um another thing I was thinking about is: do you expect any bottlenecks with tools.

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Not really because.

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You know, for example, for.

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The dewalts, you know we already have like.

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A dozen of them.

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And we could probably.

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Probably you know.

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Double that up to even 24.

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So tools aren't actually that expensive. These.

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Days, you know so don't have too much of a of an issue on that, because we'll just do multiple numbers and then, if any any issue does exist, the big box stores have replacements immediately.

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Shoot I mean looking at the design, you need, a crosscut saw a screw gun a ladder.

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Then uh I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

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There's also stuff like, for example,.

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We are gonna, have a dewalt.

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um Electrical nailer things.

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Like that so specialized tools.

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Right, yeah, yeah right.

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Double the speed and stuff yeah.

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But it is very simple and no exactly right any tool that we use.

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Readily available in.

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Local local stores, pretty much.

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And I I see that you're sleeping with the shark bites in your room. Is that, like a osmosis like.

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um So I see I see brian's phones on here and I don't know if he can hear us but welcome brian.

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Hey I'm here, I've been here, yeah awesome.

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um I I didn't catch you uh when you came on, but um my understanding is um permitting expected to complete early, not permitting but engineering expected to complete september 15th and tentative uh build date. One month later in november, is it seems, like the realistic projection right now.

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um And then what else are we talking about the apprenticeship I'm working on the grant um yeah? Those are the big rocks.

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Yeah only thing I didn't mention was a truck and trailer like we're. Gonna need that to move haul stuff around, even because.

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We actually have a bunch of modules already made on this right here, we're going to need to move stuff, including the.

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Box right, we'll we'll so I'll likely use our micro track as well. So I have to carry that to the site. Yeah.

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I mean, are you gonna.

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For the first build.

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I mean that's something: we're gonna absolutely need for forever. If we were doing this business, no.

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I know, but we don't have the funding coming through yet so um that's the reason I ask.

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Think we'll have.

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Money for that I mean we, so we got 120k.

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In the bank right now and the other thing is.

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Steve can probably help on that.

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Those that part.

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Paid for because we know we're going to have some funding coming in december right.

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Right and regarding.

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That are we supposed to be following up anything like because we haven't actually haven't heard anything since.

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Oh, I I honestly forgot what he said: I'm like 90 sure they're supposed to contact us.

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Yeah for filling.

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Out some final like work in october, so actually right.

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Actually, that's a month away.

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um Yeah, I think they're he they're going to board approval in october. He said and then shortly then that makes it final and then okay, the money, comes after.

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But uh brad have you been able to look at the arpa grant that I started.

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um No, I have not. um Are you ready for me to look at it or do you want to it.

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Well, I I really have two questions. uh One is, um you know, it'd be nice to collaborate on it. It's a federal grant, there's some nuance to filling it out and then the second thing is the. um If you or anyone in your network has experience like with federal money, um it would be helpful to like just educate us or or even improve.

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Yourself as a sponsor to this.

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Because, apparently, there's like tracking and paperwork involved that, like you, actually get extra points, if you click yes, I have experience or yes somebody in my you know, organization has experience working with the federal grant process right.

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Okay, um do you mind uh refreshing that so I can find it I'm sorry. I didn't. I know.

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I knew that was a.

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Conversation but I didn't, I don't, have it yeah.

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um It also I added each of you as a you- should have access to the actual grant page. um So just a heads up.

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um Okay, cool, I feel I feel, like I understand, what's going on better bit more better.

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Martin, do you have a are you is your plan to put this house on the open market and yeah yeah, and is your plan to do the second house and third house in saint joseph as well.

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Well, it makes sense to do two two bills, so we have um at least.

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Two bills, because we have um so five: that is the budget, we're proving right.

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That's the thing we need to.

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Prove for the economic model.

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It makes sense if there's a block like, for example, we're at a certain stage and and.

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We need inspection.

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Like something is messed up, we want to have two sides so yeah those two definitely insane joe. They want to be.

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Want to do two as a backup soon, so we can travel from one to the other if, as a hedge for any any block, so.

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We're not having 24 or more people that are doing nothing that we're paying.

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Paying them so.

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The idea for this first run was yeah, just open market.

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um To improve the model.

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That's largely because we don't have any customers that haven't.

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Then look for it and we're not.

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Making an effort to look right now, partly because of time budget considerations. Secondly, to just show the the spec model, which is a large.

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Large, largely replicable, that's highly replicable, so that doesn't hurt.

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Yeah, that makes sense. I I get it.

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Marching is there a reason? Oh, I only need to go. I want to do 50 to 240.

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Houses next year, that's that's my goal. I I I smell this. This is getting really close.

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Is there a reason uh it's only blue pecks is there? Is there hot water going into or is.

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Yeah, there's hot hot and cold colds don't require color coding got.

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It because we're doing it.

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On our side, for.

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Part count like yeah.

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Have the visibility, but that means you got to get twice the piping, which is two more items right.

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I I guys I'm going to jump, but uh if you I'll look at the grant and I'll talk to you this weekend, uh marching yeah.

B

Yeah, okay, congrats.

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On all the progress.

B

Yeah yeah it's moving along a long walk to freedom.

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Good to hear your voice, brian, have you have a good one.

D

You too, all right.

B

Yeah john, um but that's.

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What you see there is almost embarrassing.

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Because what you see is like so simple that you.

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Wouldn't know it's.

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Years of work or like.

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Or like one full month of cad, so this.

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On all the experience we have to absolute rigor on routing, where you put things.

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So it's just integrated.

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Designs, nobody does that in this way, typically be more complicated like, as I said, I.

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Haven't seen anything simpler, and I call that, like the simplest design in the world, for achieving those several.

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Functions so there's.

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A lot of functionality in it, that's what I described.

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There's got to be some uh wise, parable or saying about how like the hardest. It takes a lot more intelligence than ever to make something simple and it doesn't make it complex.

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Yeah I mean there's quotes about that and, like einstein.

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Says make it as simple as possible, but no simpler.

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There's others that true.

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Is simple and elegant so yeah um yeah.

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So, for like yeah, I mean for me: it's that's a.

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Accomplishment there, because it was, it, was easy not only that we can go. You.

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Have the modules right you put the pex, keys and.

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Components on the modules.

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Because we know exactly where they are now and you build that up at the module level at the.

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And I want to install to connect all the all the tubings. It's going to be like 15 minutes.

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Well, with a few people, a.

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Single person probably could make all the.

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Plumbing the because it's shark bite.

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B

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A second to snap it in.

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And it's a water tight seal, so a single person will do that in like an hour if the fittings are in place. So it's crazy. It's good we're moving! So.

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That's the kind of stuff like that. You know that's yeah. It doesn't take time.

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Yeah yeah so yeah. I feel really good about that and just doing that on the finish in the.

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All those other items, so that's yeah, just get busy on.

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Do you want me to set up another meeting uh before the 15th, or do you want to wait until after the 15th to do a check-in about the grant and other stuff timeline.

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Approval of um september september, I think, we're um let's.

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C

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Like you, okay yeah, I you're you look pretty busy with the build until october 1st yep, uh but I'd like to give you an opportunity to work on the grant before you have 30 days left. So maybe.

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My humble spare time it will take me from.

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uh Following uh the events in ukraine and taking a look at this.

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uh Yeah so so I.

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Say right now, because it's not gonna be.

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Like you know, I.

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Main thing is make sure I get enough sleep and.

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Get enough exercise every day and.

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Keep healthy so yeah been pretty decent.

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Well too I'll I'll set it up for the 15th or the 16th, because I'd like to do I'd like to to do it right when the engineering's done yeah. So we can just click, confirm and then that'll be my trigger, maybe to start doing the recruiting piece.

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um And then, if I see you on twitter.

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If I uh yeah but where's the promo video coming from.

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uh I have a footage and we'll get a remote editor.

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Okay, um yeah, if I, if I see you on twitter, uh commenting about the war in ukraine, I'll just tell you to get back to work.

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I'm just kidding you need a break, um okay, cool. I will do that I'll, send over a meeting.

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That's good! That's good! Okay,.

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um I think that's it. That's it for now yeah! No! It's coming together! Slowly along.

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With the freedom, as I say,.

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Yeah, I'm excited man all right. Okay, tell it q wave goodbye, say goodbye, bye,.

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