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A
B
C
E
I
had
a
portal
Rando,
open,
Telemetry
user
contact
me
on
Slack,
who
I
think
perhaps
speaks
english's
second
language,
but
is
good
at
it.
But
he's
been
using
chat,
GPT
to
generate
the
GitHub
issue
and
like
PR
messages,
he's
been
filling
out
for
his
open,
Telemetry
stuff.
C
B
Yeah
I
I
added
the
first
regular
business
item,
but
at
the
request
of
tigran
he
asked
that
we
discontinued
public
YouTube
recordings.
There's
a
couple
of
related
links
here:
I
guess
he's
he
and
he's
not
the
first
person
to
bring
this
up
just
the
most
recent,
but
he's
worried
that
in
abundance
of
public
recordings
makes
it
easier
to
impersonate
him
and
others.
C
B
E
A
perfect
voice,
emulation
of
a
person
with
very
little
input,
yeah.
B
20
seconds
of
training
data
I
mean
honestly,
it's
it's
pretty
impressive.
I
wouldn't
say
that
it
would
have
tricked
me
like
it:
it's
not
indistinguishable
from
a
real
person,
but
maybe
from
a
real
person
that
I
don't
know
that
well
or
something
along
those
lines.
B
B
C
It's
not
a
real
problem,
but
I
I
mean
that
stuff
is
it's
moving
so
fast
I
mean
that
20
seconds
I
could
imagine
moving
even
further
down
but
I
just
I
totally
sympathize
with
the
concern,
but
I
I.
Don't
I
personally
feel
that
the
hotel
recordings
are
the
straw
that
broke
the
camel's
back
on
that
one
and
I
also
think
the
recordings
serve
a
valuable
purpose.
Even
it's
just
a
check
into
balance
for
a
project
like
this.
It's
my
I
mean
I.
I
would
say
the
same
thing.
C
If
kubernet
was
on
this
poem,
you
know
maybe
he'll
watch
the
recording,
I
don't
know,
but
but
it's
just
it's
it's
hard
for
me
to
say
that,
like
making
the
hotel
GC
recordings,
private
is
going
to
protect
anybody
in
the
project.
E
So
I've
been
thinking
about
this
for
a
bit
and
I
had
the
exact
same
initial
reaction,
as
you
Ben
like
at
for
me,
as
someone
who's
like
part
of
my
job,
is
to
be
out
there
in
public
I'm.
Just
also.
E
E
However,
my
concern
is
where
I
see
it
from
tigran's
point
of
view
is:
if
we
have
like
we're
all
GC
people
we've
all
like
committed
to
being
in
public
right,
but
if
it's
going
to
start
to
create
a
barrier
to
people
participating
in
open
Telemetry
like
regular
developers
and
private
citizens,
because
valid
or
not
they're,
like
afraid
about
their
video
getting
on
the
Internet
and
they,
in
other
words,
if
people
start
to
see
this,
if
public
opinion
turns
from
this
being
like
due
diligence
and
transparency
towards
people
perceiving
this
as
like
a
privacy
violation,
then
I
I
would
be
in
favor
of
of
taking
it
down.
F
Yeah
yeah,
thank
you,
so
I
think
there
are
two
problems
here
and
the
first
one
is
very
clear.
So
children
is
asking
to
remove
the
videos
where
he's
in
and
I
think
we
should
just
do
it
for
those
videos
now
the
second
one.
The
second
problem
is
what
to
do
in
the
future.
Right
so
I
mean
we
would
probably
have
to
remove
all
of
the
collector
see
recordings
for
that.
F
We
had
so
far
because
he's
on
most
of
them
and
then
there
is
a
request
from
him
like
if
videos
could
be
I,
think
stored
for
only
30
days
or
something
like
that,
if
I
remember
the
thread,
so
those
are
the
two
things
that
I
see
so
for
the
first
request,
I
mean
remove
all
of
the
videos
that
I
mean
I
think
we
should
just
do
it
and
then
think
about
all
of
the
implications
I
mean
we
have
to
think
about
as
a
group
here
as
part
of
this
call,
what
do
we
want
to
do
so?
F
G
E
So
there's
only
keeping
them
public
for
a
certain
amount
of
time,
there's
recording
them,
but
keeping
them
unlisted
by
default.
The
idea
being,
if
something
crazy
happens,
on
a
recording
and
on
a
call-
and
we
feel
like
we
need
to
like
access
a
recording,
I,
don't
think
Zoom
is
the
right
place
to
store
those,
so
I
could
be
wrong.
D
B
So
I
had
my
hand
up
originally,
just
because
I
was
going
to
say
he
is
suggested,
a
halfway
option
of
transcripts
which,
if
there's
a
transcript
tool
that
sufficiently
captures
all
the
data
I
could
see
that,
but
one
very
important
piece
of
data
is
who
is
actually
talking
and
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
transcript
tool
that
would
reliably
do
that.
I,
just
don't
see
it.
B
Unlisted
videos
was
one
that
I
recommended
on
slack.
It
seems
maybe
kind
of
annoying
it's
already
hard
to
find
YouTube
videos.
To
be
honest,
one
one
point
that
I
did
want
to
say:
we
can
just
remove
video
I
mean
if,
if
anybody
asks
us
I'm
in
this
video,
please
remove
it.
We
should
do
that
almost
regardless
of
we.
B
We
should
have
some
sort
of
policy
where
people
can
ask
to
have
their
own
video
removed,
but
I've
done
moderation
like
this
before
on
our
YouTube
channel
for
someone
else,
and
it
is
not
easy.
Yeah.
D
B
Right,
it
has
to
be
done
individually,
video
by
video
and
our
YouTube
channel
is
not
set
up
to
easily
find,
like
all
collector
videos,
it's
just
it's
almost
impossible.
So
if
somebody
wants
to
provide
a
list
of
videos
to
say
I'm
in
these-
and
we
can
maybe
make
them
unlisted,
which
is
probably
a
better
option
than
just
deleting
them
that
might
be
okay,
but
just
saying
yes,
we're
going
to
remove
all
the
videos
you're
in
is
almost
impossible.
Given
our
current
setup.
D
Yep
again,
I
was.
D
B
B
Yeah
I
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
to
handle
that
he's
in
so
many
as
all
of
the
collector
all.
B
Blogging,
probably
every
spec.
G
G
D
So
agreed,
Daniel
I
agree
with
it,
but
my
concern
here
is
that
again
it
really
affects
the
project
a
lot
right,
because
so
many
of
us
participate
remotely
and
do
care
about
the
Sig
meetings
and
join
in
to
discuss,
and
you
know,
move
the
project
forward
and
I
I.
Think
that
you
know,
maybe
a
policy
could
be
discussed
at
the
cncf
level,
because
this
is
not
you
know
just
relevant
to
one
maintainer.
D
It's
actually
a
larger
issue,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
think
part
of
the
code
of
conduct
of
participation
participating
in
public
forums
is
also
related
to
you
know,
actually
reducing
you
know
your
privacy
requirements
at
a
larger
level
right
so
again,
I
respect
what
people
is
saying,
but
on
the
other
hand,
it's
really
very
impactful
negatively
to
our
project
to
to
actually
consider
these
kind
of
requests
going
forward
where.
E
E
Yeah
but
there
there
have
been
times
in
the
past,
I
recall,
like
Liz
having
some
trouble
with
a
stalker
I
believe
we
took
down
some
videos
that
inadvertently
we're
giving
away.
E
Point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that,
like
we've
had
isolated
but
important
instance
where
we've
had
to
take
down
videos,
so
it's
not
that
we
aren't
willing
to
do
it,
but
as
soon
as
I
I.
This
to
me
feels
like
we
should
just
stop.
Recording
them.
We're
freaking
honor.
D
H
F
His
example
yeah,
so
his
example
of
the
thread
was
there:
banks
that
are
now
using
voice
recognition
to
authorize
transactions
and
he
would
not
want
a
a
an
AI
to
impersonate
him
on
those
cases.
That's
one
specific
case
and
but
I
mean
I
mean
there
are
so
many
race
hands,
so
I'll
just
raise
my
hand
and
go
to
the
next
topic,
but
yeah
yeah.
B
A
Yeah
so
I
asked
the
JavaScript
this
morning
about
it,
because
there's
a
good
there's
like
15
books
and
a
good
population
and
the
first
of
all,
no
one
uses
the
recordings,
because
they're
not
organized
and
they're
impossible
to
find
what
you
want.
A
A
The
other
thing
is,
we
did
play
around
with
the
zoom
does
transcripting
and
it
does
Show
Who's
Talking
I,
don't
know
how
to
I.
Don't
didn't
look
at
it,
how
to
export
that,
but
that
could
definitely
be
a
very
nice
and
searchable.
You
know
possibly
even
nicer
form
of
potentially
a
good
replacement
for
the
recordings
yeah.
A
A
A
Even
if
it
was
you
know
a
year,
I
would
like
to
see
them
die
off
at
some
point.
I
think
they
outlive
their
usefulness,
but
I
do
think.
Probably
we
will
need
to
deal
with
this
at
some
point,
and
so,
if
we
can
replace
it
with
transcript,
that
could
be
nice.
C
Not
talking
but
I'm
happy
to
yeah,
you
know:
I
I
want
to
be
respectful
and
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
for
people
at
different
points
of
view
on
this
stuff-
and
you
know,
I-
don't
really
write
about
it,
but
maybe
in
that
spirit
that
to
a
certain
extent
we
could
leave
this
box
to
the
individual,
sigs
and
and
documents
and
principles
that
that
we
have
at
the
DC
about
the
need
for
transparency
and
say
the
Sig.
C
You
know
if
you
can,
if,
if,
if
you
can,
you
know,
adhere
to
these
principles,
we're
comfortable
with
a
variety
of
mechanisms-
I
mean
I'm.
You
know
personally
totally
fine
with
unlisted
recordings
as
long
as
they're
available
on
demand
and
if
there's
some
basic
I
mean
not
like
detailed
notes
or
transcript,
but
just
like
record
of
what
was
discussed,
you
know
from
a
topic
standpoint.
C
I'd
also
be
comfortable
with
you
know,
even
the
kind
of
not
so
great
Zoom
transcripts
and
so
and
so
forth,
but
but
I
I
to
me,
that's
like
a
potential
solution,
but
I
would
say.
If
we're
going
to
go
in
that
direction,
I
do
think
it's
a
principle.
We
we
must
have
some
transparency
if
we
want
to
be
if
we
want
these
meetings
to
be
inclusive
from
a
time
zone
standpoint,
if
nothing
else,
we
have
to
have
some
transparency
to
what
happens
in
these
meetings.
Yeah.
G
C
Don't
think
it's
acceptable
to
just
turn
off
recording
as
and
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
honestly
I
if
we
allow
someone
and
I
don't
mean
this
to
single
out
two
green
at
all
genuinely.
But
if
we
allow
someone
who's
influential
in
the
project
to
say,
every
meeting
I'm
in
should
be
stricken
from
the
record.
I
actually
don't
think
that's
such
a
great
policy,
because
that
defeats
the
purpose
of
transparency.
C
So
you
know
I
I
I'm
up
for
some
principles
and
being
a
little
bit
flexible
at
how
they're
implemented,
but
I
don't
love
the
idea
of
allowing
the
personal
preference
of
you
know,
one
of
the
thousands
of
committers
or
one
of
the
dozens
of
you
know
maintainers
to
to
Trump
the
you
know
the
principle
of
transparency.
C
I
know
I
know
we
did
but
I
I'm
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
something
much
broader,
which
is
essentially
any
sort
of
Av.
Recording
of
me
is
going
to
be
stricken
from
the
internet.
I
think
that's
problematic.
If,
if
it
you
know
because
of
just
the
surface
area,
that's
covered,
that
was
also.
C
Then
also,
frankly,
it
was
before
the
concern
around
these
deep
fakes
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and
I
think,
at
least
in
my
mind,
I
was
imagining.
This
is
going
to
be
a
very
unusual,
and
thus
you
know
it's
gonna,
be
an
unusual
request.
I
think
what
we're
hearing
here
is
probably
something
that
this
is
not
the
last
time
we'll
hear
about
this
concern
and
for
good
reason.
C
Right,
but
again
it
goes
back
to
trying
to
abide
by
the
principles
of
transparency
which,
which
I
do
think
are
you
know
at
odds
with
the
desire,
for
you
know,
owning
one's
own
image
right.
D
E
B
Yeah
I
mean
I'm
fine
with
people
turning
off
their
video
if
they
need
to
I
understand
that
doesn't
help
with
voice.
But
if,
if
somebody
oh
there,
there
are
just
people
that
are
so
influential
we
just
can't.
If
we
remove
their
recordings,
we
need
to
remove
all
recordings,
because
the
usefulness
is
gone.
F
F
Yeah
I
just
realized
one
thing,
and
that
is
we
don't
actually
capture
the
comments
from
the
chat.
So
the
thing
that
you
just
that
just
happened
here,
like
you
mentioning
or
sorry
I,
think
Ben-
was
that
mentioning
that
Dan's
comments
on
the
chat,
I
agree
with
that
and
so
on
so
forth.
But
we
didn't
actually
say
it
out.
F
So
I,
don't
think
anyone
watching
this
recording
wouldn't
be
lost
on
the
context
here
and
that
just
shows
that
the
value
for
the
videos
are
not
as
big
as
we
think
they
are
the
recordings.
We
can
look
at
the
statistics
visualizations
and
see
if
people
are
actually
listening
to
them
and
determine
whether
they
are
actually
being
valuable,
otherwise,
just
trust.
The
meeting
notes
as
we
are
having
today
right.
F
The
other
aspect
that
I
am
starting
to
get
concerned
is
we
have
a
concrete
ask
for
someone
in
the
community
asking
to
remove
their
videos
and
I'm
I
think
I'm,
getting
impression
that
we
would
not
comply
with
that.
Can
we
just
get
a
straight
answer
and
say:
yes,
we
are
going
to
comply
with
that
request
from
that
specific
individual
we're
going
to
try
to
remove
or
unleash
those
videos,
because
we
don't
have
a
policy
right
now
and
that
person
has
the
right
to
be
forgotten.
F
You
know
it
is
in
so
many
legislations
is
this
Clause
of
you
know.
Everyone
has
the
right
to
be
forgotten,
so
it
has
to
be
there
and
if
someone
requests,
we
have
to
take
it
down,
especially
if
we
don't
have
a
policy
in
place.
So
what
we
do
for
the
future
is
open
to
us
and
I
think
it
is
fair
to
say
that
whoever
is
going
to
be
agency
or
maintainer
from
tomorrow
and
on
has
to
sign
up
a
to
four
you
know
for
for
being
recorded.
F
But
what
happened
until
today
we
have
to
to
comply
with
whatever
the
person
wants
to.
B
G
D
I
mean
I
I
would
hesitate
in
applying.
You
know
privacy
rules
from
the
entire
world
into
the
U.S.
First
of
all,
because
given
the
cncf
sits
in
the
U.S,
but
on
the
other
hand,
I
do
respect,
you
know
the
request.
The
question
then
becomes
also
that
you
know
what's
what's
cncf's
recommendation
here,
because
we're
not
operating
independently
of
the
cncs,
so
it
is
of
this
open.
Telemetry
is
a
project
under
the
cncf
and
then
the
individual
DC's,
you
know,
should
consider
the
requests,
but
also
then,
at
the.
D
A
F
Yeah
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
that's
not
really
what
I,
what
I
intended
to
mean?
What
I
mean
is
there
are
legislations
because
there
is
a
a
bigger.
F
Is
I
I
do
have
the
right
to
be
forgotten,
no
matter
which
legislation,
no
matter
where
I
live
I
mean
if
I,
if
I,
do
not
want
my
my
my
YouTube
videos
or
videos
on
YouTube.
That
shows
me
to.
G
E
But
I
think
that
that
maybe
dovetails
with
this
idea
of
having
a
leadership
role
in
this
project,
meaning
accepting
that
you're
like
a
public
person,
because
those
those
rules,
that's
kind
of
where
the
the
those
the
the
edge
of
those
rules
live
right.
It's
like
when
you're
once
you
become
a
public
person,
it's
no
longer
acceptable
to
say
you
know
you
can't
be
people
can't
post
videos
of
you,
but
I
I
totally
completely
agree.
E
If,
if
just
like,
someone
showed
up
to
one
of
our
meetings
and
then
came
to
us
and
said,
hey
I
didn't
realize,
I
was
being
recorded.
Please
take
that
down
100.
We
should
we
should
honor
that
request.
I.
Think
it's
just
different.
If
we're
saying
like
a
maintainer
of
the
project
that
effectively
kills
the
whole
program,
so
we
have
to
make
a
different
decision.
There.
Yeah.
E
So
I
can
make
a
how
about
this
as
a
proposal
to
take
to
tigrin
since
he's
the
main
person
concerned,
which
is
as
Trask
was
requesting
as
like
a
first
step,
we
just
changed
the
retention
policy
to
these
videos
to
something
like
30
days.
E
I
think
30
days
is
enough
time.
If
you
know
we
need
to
go
back
into
a
video
we
can
and
after
that
we
wouldn't
delete
them
from
YouTube.
They
would
just
become
unlisted.
E
E
D
E
They
wouldn't
be
publicly
findable
for
the
purposes
of
like
training,
an
AI
yep.
H
E
G
H
D
I
E
So,
just
for
concrete,
Next
Step
can
we
how
about
this?
Anyone
disagree
with
the
idea
that
we
should
move
to
30-day
retention
with
the
videos
turning
private
like
regardless.
G
E
Like
anything
else
like
this
is
just
a
good
idea,
and
we
should
do
that
and
if
tigrin
still
has
a
problem
with
it,
we
should
continue
to
discuss
it
with
him.
H
F
Plus
a
policy
for
gctc
and
maintainers
for
the
future.
B
That's
an
important
policy
I.
It
would
be
really
unfortunate
if
it
means
that
tigran
steps
down,
though
I
hope
that
it
it
doesn't
come
to
that.
No.
H
H
H
Mean
but
no
no,
the
comment.
The
comment
from
Daniel
worried
me
a
bit
because
because
if
it
looks
to
me
that
we
are
willing
to
lose
a
person
for
these
videos,
which
we
just
got
informations
from
somebody
that
I
trust
that
they
are
not
that
useful
so
shouldn't,
we
look
on
the
opposite
side
of
of
not
having
them
versus
having
a
policy
to
have.
G
A
That
may
be
a
good
first
action,
Ted
is
to
put
just
ask,
is:
is
anybody
using
these
and.
E
E
B
E
A
meeting
heavy
organization
we
do
try
to
have
a
rule
that
decisions
still
have
to
be
made
through
GitHub,
but
you
know
we
got
a
lot
of
pushback
around
the
meetings
not
being
available
in
some
form
for
people
who
couldn't
attend
them.
D
B
E
E
We
started
this
practice
out
of
demand
for
transparency
now
that
demand
for
transparency
might
be
almost
might
be
like
in
the
same
bucket
as
this
demand
for
privacy
as
being
like,
like,
like
very
the
risks
and
value
on
both
sides,
are
just
actually
pretty
marginal,
but
you
know
it's
more
about
what
makes
our
community
comfortable
but
I,
I
kind
of
agree
with
you
Bogdan,
if
it's
really,
if
it
comes
down
to
like
tigrin
or
the
videos
like
I,
would
rather
we
keep
tigrin,
but
let's
just
see
if,
like
a
30-day
retention
policy
is
like,
would
make
him
happy
because
right
now
he's
the
only
one
who's
expressing
concerns
over
this.
E
H
Know,
but
that
doesn't
okay,
first
of
all,
if
if
we
want
to
ask,
should
we
if
we
ask
the
community
to
make
it
fair
for
the
community
and
again
disclaimer
I
know
Pig
run
and
very
well?
So
probably
you
all
know,
but
should
we
also
tell
the
community
hey?
We
are
asking
you
this,
because
we
received
this
concern
just
to
to
raise
this
to
them
and
see
hey.
You
know
what
this
is
why
we
are
asking
you:
would
you
rather
have
it
or
do
this.
E
G
F
F
How
about
we
just
Mark
everything
is
private,
don't
tell
anyone
and
see
if
anyone
complains,
but.
D
D
F
No
you're
right
I
mean
I,
guess
it
was
kind
of
a
joke,
but
I
guess
the
two
months
period,
where
we
were
out
of
videos
kind
of
shows
that
this
those
videos
they're
not
been
watched
that
often
and
I
think
that
I
think
if
we,
if
we
say
that
everything
that
is
discussed
on
meetings
have
to
be
recorded
somewhere,
like
GitHub
issues
or
meeting
notes
like
important
things.
Sure.
D
F
Don't
happen,
I
mean
that
that
serves
the
same
audience
that
are
not
able
to
join
those
meetings
agreed
and
I
would
say
that
and
I
would
argue
that
reading
the
meeting
notes
or
following
GitHub
issues
is
way
easier
than
watching
a
video
and
trying
to
figure
out
where,
in
the
video
was
a
specific
topic
agreed.
D
E
D
H
D
I
think
Bogdan.
We
are
not
agree
disagreeing
on
that
at
all.
It's
more
that
we
have
to
come
back
with
these
choices
and
share
them
that
hey
you
know.
These
are
the
things
we
will
do
instead,
and
this
is
what
we
are
suggesting
right
to
maintain
that
level
of
transparency,
whether
that's
a
transcript.
G
E
The
thing
about
the
raw
notes,
whether
it's
a
raw
transcript
or
a
video,
is
it's
totally
true
that
90
this
is.
This
is
very
much
like
storing
all
the
logs
right.
It's
like
you,
don't
at
any
given
day
you
don't
you
don't
need
any
of
them,
but
on
the
occasions
we're
like
I've
had
to
go
back
and
look
at
a
video
or
like
dig
something
up
for
some
reason.
Like
I
I
do
do
this
occasionally
right
like
and
what
I
do
it
would
be
like
it
would
suck?
I
E
Transcript
in
those
cases
would
have
been
fine.
My
point
is
just
like:
there's:
there
is
value
inherent
in
having
a
full
transcript
of
some
sort,
but
that
value
is
not.
The
same
value
is
also
having
like
really
good
meeting
notes
like
they're
they're
kind
of
different
and
no
one's
ever
gonna.
Look
at
the
raw
transcript
on
a
regular
basis
like.
H
I
H
Pleased
with
this
and
and
there
may
be
a
chance
of
losing
him
because
of
of
these
things,.
G
D
A
Plus
one
on
dropping
all
recordings
and
just
having
the
transcripts
I
I
have
the
transcript
on
right
now
for
this
meeting,
and
it's
quite
good
and
if
I
did
you
know
in
that
case,
where,
like
Ted,
you
know
occasionally
has
to
go
back
and
dig
through
for
something
specific
I
feel
like
the
transcript
would
answer
that
yeah.