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A
B
I
suppose,
if
there
is
such
a
such
a
thing
as
good
timing,
at
least
it's
before
before
yeah.
B
B
F
B
D
G
A
G
D
E
E
Right,
yes,
so
I
had
call
this
out
because
we
got
an
update
from
the
business
value
subcommittee.
I
didn't
even
know
something
like
this
existed,
but
apparently
you
know
they
have
requested.
If
you
look
at
the
link
they
have
requested
a
summary
of
you
know
what
we
can
provide
about
open,
Telemetry
and
the
project
and
its
successes
and
any
areas.
That
is
anything
else
that
we
want
to
provide
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to.
E
You
know,
bring
that
up
to
the
gc's
attention
again,
we
can,
you
know,
take
beacons.
E
You
know
if
somebody
is
interested
in
writing
that
up
or
if
we
can
go
share
happy
to
do
so,
but
just
wanted
to
raise
that
so
that
we
can
provide
that
information
back
to
this
report.
That
cncf
is
publishing.
B
E
Let
me
just
do
that.
We
can
just
step
through
it
very
quickly.
A
E
I
think
Daniel.
Can
you
share
the
screen
for
this
I
think
I
have
to
configure
my
zoom
in
this.
The
reason
has
lost
Aesthetics.
B
Yeah,
so
here
we
are,
it
looks
like
it
Scrolls
nearly
infinitely
in
both
directions.
Every
project
has
a
column
and
it
looks
like
oh.
E
B
Yaml
that
we
can
edit
yeah
so
there's
directions
for
like
how
to
update
their
directions
located
here.
Oh
okay,.
H
The
Stars
I
think
like
that
they
pulled
automatically.
You
can't
change
them.
D
B
E
E
B
Yeah,
this
doesn't
seem
to
be
have
have
been
created
really
with
the
idea
of
an
organization
with
like
50
repositories
in
mind,
but
yeah
I
mean,
but
the
basic
stuff
seems
pretty
simple
I
think
we
could
pretty
easily
fill
this
out.
Yeah.
E
Some
more
Dimensions,
but
like
one
of
the
areas
that
is
missing
here,
is
maintainers
number
of
maintainers,
for
example,
which
is
a
you
know,
huge
part
of
how.
F
E
A
project
is
so
do
not
highlight
that,
is
you
know,
missing
opportunities,
so
I
think
we
should
definitely
make
some
suggestions.
Yep.
D
I
can
go
through
and
pick
up
doing
this
okay.
B
Looks
like
next
item
is
kubecon
EU
conflict
with
the
panel.
Yes,.
D
You
want
to
speak
to
this
yeah
we
move,
so
the
the
project
mean
is
going
to
be
shorter,
but
we
have
moved
it
to
deconflict
the
panel
okay,
I'm
personally
I
think
that's
probably
an
acceptable
trade-off,
because
a
two-hour
project
meeting
is
you're,
going
to
be
duplicative
of
stuff
that
we
kind
of
said
in
the
roadmap
update
earlier
in
the
day,
and
also
it
just
turns
into
a
lot
of
conversation.
So
I
feel
like.
E
D
Tight
one
hour
is
better
I,
think
than
kind
of
a
rambling
two
hours
right,
so
Morgan
or
I
guess,
like
whoever's
plans
on
attending,
we
should
sync
up
before
and.
A
A
A
G
D
That
isn't
kubernetes
is
the
same
problem.
Yeah
I,
don't
really
have
a
we're.
We
are
a
unique
the
prop.
The
fundamental
problem
is
that
open
Telemetry
is
a
fairly
unique
project
within
the
cncf.
We
look
a
lot
more
like
kubernetes,
but
we
are
not
kubernetes,
but
because
and
there's
only
really
room
for
one
kubernetes
at
kubecon
right.
A
D
D
E
Think
I
think,
though
Austin
from
an
open
source,
cncs
single
part
that
is
hindering
us
right
now
to
eclipse
or
it
could
be
equivalent
to
kubernetes
and
the
observability
spaces
graduation
requirement,
because
there
are
so
many
things
tied
to
the
so-called
graduated
status
that
you
know.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
get
the
benefit
of
that.
That's.
D
True,
but
I
mean
I
would
point
out
like
Prometheus
has
graduated
and
Prometheus
does
not
get
I
mean
previous
does
get
a
little
more
than
we
do,
and
you
know
we
do
have
to
play
Within.
The
sure
like
two
or
three
things
here
right
one
is
that
we
do
have
to
play
Within
the
the
rules
right,
or
at
least
with
it.
We
have
to
color
within
the
lines
to
a
certain
point,
and
some
of
that
is
stuff
like
graduation.
Two
is
that
the
CNC
you
know
cncf
is
trying
to.
D
You
know,
provide
for
all
these
different
projects,
many
of
most
of
which
are
much
smaller
than
we
are
and
have
a
much
smaller
user
base
than
we
do.
But
you
know
C
point
one
right
like
we.
We
look
the
same
as
any
other
incubating
project
when
you
put
it
on
a
spreadsheet.
In
terms
of
like
what
resources
do
you
get.
E
D
We
will
continue
to
I
think
observability
a
will
be
a
really
good
sort
of
proof,
point
to
the
cncf
about
the
viability
of
Standalone,
observability
Community
event,
things
under
the
cncf
banner
right,
because
one
of
the
big
problems
right
now
is
that
this
is
obviously
the
observability
reliability.
Space
is
huge,
but
it's
kind
of
getting
slotted
into
the.
A
E
H
A
D
Do
to
include
to
support
the
growth
of
the
projects
within
the
cncf
or
the
cncf
has
to
split
out
those
projects
into
their
own
day.
Kid
things
right,
because
or-
and
this
is
not
an
option
that
I
particularly
want
us
I,
don't
I
feel
like
this
would
be
a
bad
option,
but
this
is
an
option
which
would
be
for
vendors
that
are
part
of
the
hotel
Community
to
do
more
independent
sort
of
financial,
sustaining
efforts
around
community
events
right
so,
for
example,
cnci
we
would
Hotel.
Unplugged
is
a
good
example
of
this
right.
D
If
we
had
had
more
people
come
in
and
say,
like,
oh
well,
we'll
put
a
lot
more
money
into
this
and
we'll
you
know
we'll
plan
on
this
all
independently.
You
can
go
to
the
cncf
and
say,
like
hey
I,
want
you
to
put
this
as
a
Like
official
event
right,
so
we
could
do
our
own
hotel
thing
completely
outside
of
the
bounds
of
the
cncf
live
streaming
over
the
heck
we
wanted,
we
would
just
need
you
know
to
do
all
the
organization
and
all
the
other
stuff
and
also
to
pay
the
listing
fee.
D
But
you
know
that
had
there,
there
are
trade-offs
here
right,
like
I
I
feel
like
we
should
I
feel
like
we're
a
little
far
afield.
In
this
conversation,
I'm
I
am
planning
on
bringing
back
the
project
meeting
project
meeting
feedback.
Again
the
original
thought
was
that
it
would
be
okay
to
do
it
like
for
open
Telemetry.
Specifically,
it's
like
well.
D
This
would
be
okay
to
do
during
the
observability
day,
because
that's
when
people
are
going
to
be
there,
I
I
think
the
biggest
complaint
I
have
is
that
you
can
and
what
I'm
gonna
the
feedback
I'm
gonna
give.
Is
you
can't
put
project
meetings
on
days
where
you
have
a
fifth
of
the
tickets
available
right,
because
there's
only
two
thousand
like
two
thousand
people
Max
on
day
Zero
and
then
ten
thousand
Max
for
the
rest
of
the
week,
like
that's
like
what
about?
D
G
D
Yeah,
there's
also
there's
also
options
too
again
independently,
organize
this.
My
my
suggestion
will
be
after
we're
done
next
in
Amsterdam.
If
you
all
want
to
come
up
with
like
a
list
of
things,
I
will
proxy
those
back
to
my
good
friends
and
see
in
LF
events
as
an
input
to
the
Chicago
planning
process.
Right.
D
H
B
E
I
have
I
have
a
request
here.
I
think
that,
given
we
have
a
good
amount
of
folks,
maintainers
and
members,
GC
members
and
DC
members
joining
in
in
person,
can
we
do
a
dinner
or
something
where
we
actually
are
organized
and
actually
talk
about
some
of
these
things.
It's
nice
to
be
able
to
discuss
that
right
and
it
would
be
nice
to
actually
see
everybody
Beyond,
just
hurrying
through
always
in
conference
talks.
G
D
Yeah,
so
the
panel
is
the
panel
is
set,
it's
I
have
to
pull
the
list,
but
like
drawsi,
aluida,
Andrew,
Alex
and
Lily.
How
sick
or
was
it
Google?
It's
it's
and
it's
observability
panel,
more
so
than
I.
F
D
However,
there
will
be
like
a
selection
of
like
talk
tables
at
lunch
on
observability
day.
So
if
we
want
to
do
like
an
ad
hoc.
A
D
D
D
D
So
yeah
anyway,
looking
forward
to
seeing
everyone.
So
what's
next
Daniel.
B
Continuing
a
YouTube,
yeah
I
moved
the
the
poll
results
over
here.
Alex
made
the
the
poll
here.
I
made
it
clear
in
there
that
this
is
not
like
a
formal
vote
like
we're
not
buying
results,
but
it
is
good
information
gathering,
I
suppose,
based
on
the
popularity
of
the
various
options
here,
I
think
the
two
winners
are
either
make
their
recordings
expire
or
rely
on
manual
notes.
B
D
Expires
at
some
point
yeah,
as
as
the
person
that
derailed
that
conversation
I
am
super,
not
supportive
of
relying
on
automatic
transcripts
without
like
human
review
of
them,
and
if
you're
gonna
do
that,
then
you
might
as
well
just
have
manual
notes,
yeah,
maybe
well.
The
the
thing
is,
though,
is
that
the
automated
transcripts,
unless
they
were
100
accurate
every
time
you
can
guarantee
it
there's
I
sign?
D
You
know
there
is
a
non-zero
and
I
think
a
pretty
from
what
I've
seen
of
like
the
output
of
most
Auto,
like
Zoom,
transcription
things
like
there's
a
significant
enough
risk
that
it's
going
to
either
misattv
tribute
something
or
it's
going
to
mingle,
some
technical
term
or
whatever
and
I.
Just
think
you
it's
it's
worse
than
nothing,
because
nothing,
you
don't
know
sure,
but
Auto
transcripts
mean
that
you
might
be
getting
like
confidently
wrong.
Information.
B
B
D
Let's
one
second
address,
because
I
was
not
here
for
the
initial
discussion,
but
I
I
do
have
to
I.
Do
want
to
just
in
front
of
you
all,
not
I
want
to
make
a
public
statement,
which
is
what
the
hell
is
the
threat
model
here,
because
if
someone
is
really,
if
you're
worried
about
someone
cloning,
your
voice
or
video
or
whatever,
then
it
doesn't
matter
how
long
you
put
them
up,
because
some
you
know
a
sufficiently
motivated
threat
actor
would
just
be
downloading
them
anyway
or.
D
I
I
accept
you
know,
I
respect
people's
opinions
about
privacy
and
whatever,
obviously
I
as
a
human
being
and
as
a
part
of
my
job
have
made
my
peace
with
the
fact
that
someone
could
be
using
me.
As
you
know,
training
data,
but
I
also
have
to
Grapple
with
that,
for
everything
I
write
on
the
Internet
or
any
literally
anything
I
do
because
it's
the
internet
and
it's
capitalism
and
everything
we
do
is
monetized.
So
I
don't
feel
like
this
is
okay.
D
Don't
I
think
this
might
happen
and
I
don't
want
it
to
happen
to
me,
which
again
if
there
was
an
actual
threat,
if
there
was
officially
motivated
I
mean
there
are
people
that
have
like
literal
sufficiently
motivated
threats
to
their
personal,
like
life
and
livelihood
right
like
Liz,
Fong
Jones
walking
around
that's
a
Recon
with
a
bodyguard.
D
A
D
I
feel
like
this
is
one
of
those
like
what
we
have
to
become
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
the
fact
that
there
are
trade-offs
here.
Right
like
we
are.
If
we
want
to
do
this,
sure
I
will
exceed
to
the
GC
decision,
but
there
are
real
trade-offs
and
I
think
that,
if
we're
going
that,
we
need
to
like
be
res
responsible,
at
least
about
like
saying,
hey,
we
we
think
that
this
rare
outcome
is
worth.
We
think
that
doing
X
that
makes
it
makes
everyone
makes
a
lot
of
people's
lives.
Worse.
C
We
have
two
parts
of
the
problem
and
I
I
stay
by
what
I
said
last
week,
and
that
is,
we
have
two
problems
here
at
Ted.
The
first
one
is:
someone
has
requested
that
their
videos,
their
past
videos
to
be
removed
and
I
think
we
have
to
comply
with
that.
One,
no
matter
jurisdictions,
no
matter
laws,
no
matter
the
current
policies
and
so
on.
C
D
C
E
D
C
Yeah,
so
I
did
mention
that
you
directly
forgotten
last
last
week,
but
it's
and
I
think
that
person
could
have
chosen
that
path.
That
person
has
request
has
chosen,
though,
to
come
to
us
and
ask
nicely
to
remove
their
videos.
I
think
it
is
reasonable
for
us
to
at
least
shut
those
videos
down
until
we
find
a
a
proper
solution
and
then
for
the
future.
We
can
come
up,
and
we
discussed
that
last
week
that
we
couldn't
come
up
with
a
with
a
wording
on
on
internship.
C
But
you
know
you
agreed
to
be
recorded
and
things
like
that.
But
then
last
week
also,
we
said
we
are
not
gonna
have
a
barrier
for
contribution
like
that,
because
at
least
there's
a
real
risk
that
we're
going
to
lose
at
least
one
maintainer
one
great
maintainer.
Because
of
that,
so
we
agreed
to
pursue
the
the
transcription
path
for
the
future.
C
But
what
I'm
and
I
personally
I
have
a
meeting,
so
I
cannot
stay
here
for
one
extension,
but
what
I'm
really
looking
for
for
this
group
from
this
group
here
is
to
get
the
videos
down
until
we
find
out
a
solution.
If
that
involves
Liars,
that's
fine,
if
that
doesn't
involve
lawyers,
then
also
fine,
but
at
least
for
the
moment,
let's
shut
those
videos
down
yeah.
D
E
With
the
maintainer
we
have
also,
you
know,
created
the
public
issue,
so
I
think
we
have.
A
E
F
We
have
a
longer
gctc
meeting
next
week
and
we
can
continue.