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A
A
Yep
unanimously,
I
think
it
was
8-0
as
of
this
morning.
Now
it's
or
as
of
yesterday
now
it's
9-0.
D
D
Yeah,
I
think
there
there
was
one-
maybe
there's
more,
but
there
was
one
non-binding
descent
from
edwardo
silva,
which.
E
Yeah,
but
I
I
do
think
that
the
point
we
need
to
take
there
is
that
we
should
work
closely
with
the
fluentd
community
to
see
how
we
can
actually
interoperate
with
them,
because
it's
not
okay
for
us
to
you
know
not
be
able
to
you
know
interoperate
with
them.
So
we
need
to
figure
that
out
and
but
you
know
again,
but
he
was
not
so
part
of
bartek's.
You
know
initial
descent,
people.
A
Yeah,
I'm
glad
we
won
over
bartek
in
the
end,
but
I
think
we
have
work
to
convince
eduardo
and
we
have
work
to
continue
to
work
right
like
this
is
the
follow-up
work
that
needs
to
happen.
F
D
E
Ted
there
was
a
question
about:
will
the
project
be
doing
a
post?
I
mean,
I
think
we
should
do
a
blog
post
on
the
project,
because
I
think
that
would
be
a
really
nice
thing
to
highlight.
E
E
D
D
The
the
basic
plan
is
is
really
the
only
thing
we
have
to
do
is
is
go
around
and
just
post
notices
on
the
open
tracing
website
and
various
readmes
and
various
repos,
I
would
say
just
pointing
people
to
their
open
telemetry
equivalents,
but
but
that's
it
there's,
no,
nothing
beyond
posting
notifications.
As
far
as
what
I
think
we
have
to
do.
I
don't
know
if
the
cncf
has
other
requirements
around
archiving
projects,
so
maybe
we
should
just
follow
up
with
them
once
we
posted
those
notices.
E
And
and
how
do
we
find
the
nurses
just
do
a
pr
on
each
repo.
D
F
D
Archive
this
first
with
the
cncf
and
then
post
the
notices,
saying
it's
been
archived
or
do
they
want
us
to
post
these
notices
so
they
can
archive
it.
So
I
think
that's
there's
an
open
issue,
I'll
I'll
follow
up
with
on
that
front.
D
E
But
yeah
because
I'm
not
sure
about
the
order,
that's
why
I
mean
it
just
as
you
said
which
what
comes
first
I
mean.
Should
we
do
our
prs
to
the
pr's
list
or
that's
easy
to
do,
but
you
know,
then
it
needs
to
be
merged
and
morgan.
You
still
have
rights
there
or
for.
E
F
I
have
a
question
about
like
messaging:
do
you
want
to
like
tight,
like
bind
together
all
these
activities
of
duplication
and
announcing
of
milestones
with
leaving
out
sandbox?
I
thought
that
sandbox
like
giving
graduated
is
not
related
to
what
we
deliver.
So
I
don't
want,
like.
I
don't
think.
E
D
E
E
You
know
work
or
milestones
in
metrics
and
logs
tracing
metrics
and
logs,
because
pricing
is
still
you
know
due
to
be
completed
for
collector,
so
we
can
definitely
cite
that,
so
we
can
be
neutral
in
that
way.
F
So
I
remember
we
did
this
work
for
vision.
Do
you
want
to
share
this
graduation
with
a
publishing
new
vision?
I
know
how
ready
this
document
is.
E
E
You
want
to
share
ted.
D
H
It
looks
like
this
hasn't
been
touched
really
for
a
while.
I
I
mean
I
actually
generally
like
what
two
green
wrote,
but
it
makes
me
a
little
bit
uneasy
that
I
think
that
there
just
hasn't
been
much
effort.
Put
into
this
I
mean
I'm
totally
not
throwing
stones.
I
haven't
put
much
effort
into
it
either,
but,
but
we
should
yeah.
B
It's
mostly
been
just
tigran
and
various
gc
members
who
were
just
editing
his,
but
it
is
worrying
that
no
one
outside
of
the
gc
has
really
weighed
in
on
it
other
than
diego.
B
E
A
E
Yeah
so
liz
I
mean:
what
do
you
advise
in
terms
of
you
know
regular
outreach
to
our
end
user
community,
like
beyond
our
sigs.
A
A
H
Yeah,
my
biggest
I
mean
again,
I
think
what
tigan
wrote
is
quite
good
in
many
ways,
but
it's
written
from
the
vantage
point
of
open
telemetry
and
I
generally
prefer
mission
statements
and
especially
vision
statements
that
are
written
more
outside
in.
If
that
makes
sense
like,
I
think
it
rather
than
saying
open
telemetry
is
vendor
neutral.
H
It
should
be
like
no
one
should
have
to
choose
a
vendor
in
order
to
you
know
that
kind
of
thing
you
know,
so
it
just
it
sounds
sort
of
subtle,
but
I
think
it's
actually
important
and
it
lives
to
what
you're
saying
I
think
reflects
the
fact
that
it's
not
written
from
an
end
user's
perspective.
H
Yes,
so
yeah,
although
I
I
mean
the
spirit
of
what
tigran
has
through
to
me,
is
like
right
on.
I
just
yeah.
D
Let's
maybe
decouple
this
from
our
send
incubation
announcement.
B
B
All
right,
I
will
bring
this
up
as
the
first
topic,
the
maintainers
call
on
monday
and
see
if
we
can
get
some
more
people
on
board.
Obviously,
as
we
mentioned
that
doesn't
include
too
many
of
our
end
users,
but
at
least
we'll
get
more
of
the
existing
community
members
involved.
E
Yeah,
I'm
just
wondering
how
can
we
get
more
organized?
I
know
a
lot
of
our
users
actually
come
in
on
the
open,
telemetry
channel
on
slack.
But
again,
I
think,
having
a
more
outreach.
E
Organized
approach
would
be
useful.
Yeah
I
mean
you
guys
liz
you
and
ted
do
office
hours.
So
I
mean
that
is
regular.
You
know
meeting
updates,
but
it's
one.
It's
one
way
right:
it's
not
a
kind
of
a
back
and
forth
function.
D
Yeah,
do
we
want
to
post
a
link
on
from
open
telemetry's
twitter
account
to
this
issue?
That
would
be
wonderful
things.
Probably.
A
E
Okay
cool,
so
I
have
an
action
item
of
doing
a
draft
and
then
sharing
it
with
you
guys
and
then
once
review
once
we
review,
then
I
can
post
it
as
a
issue.
E
Did
you
want
to
talk
about
the
event
at
the
cubecon.
D
Related
event,
I
put
this
this
on
the
agenda
just
to
give
people
an
update.
We
have
a
secured
space
at
the
sheraton,
hotel
we're
just
waiting
to
get
basically
a
budget
estimate
put
together.
They
they
haven't,
sent
us
a
quote
yet,
but
we
did
get
the
approval
from
the
cmcf
to
release
the
space
and
the
sheraton
has
it
and
wants
to
give
it
to
us.
D
So
as
soon
as
we
get
get
a
budget
together,
we'll
be
able
to
chop
that
up
into
sponsorship
blocks,
and
I
can
bring
that
to
this
group
to
kind
of
get
approval.
One
one
thing
that
came
up
is
in
the
process
of
talking
to
the
cncf
about
this.
Is
they
rightly
don't
want
to
see
individual
companies
organizing
events
around
their
ip?
In
other
words
like
they,
don't
want
to
see
something.
D
That's
like
sounds
like
open,
telemetry
community
this
or
that
when
it's
actually
like
an
individual
company
putting
on
an
event,
so
they
were
saying
because
it
looks
like
light
step
is
throwing
this
because
we've
been,
you
know
the
ones
like
doing
the
on
the
ground.
Organizing,
it's
been
me
and
amelia
they've
been
like.
Can
you
call
this
open
telemetry
community
day
by
light
step,
or
something
like
that
which
we
don't
really
want
to
do,
because
this
is
sort
of
like
a
yeah?
It's.
E
D
D
So
I
wanted
was
wondering
like:
is
there
a
way?
Could
we
just
like
quickly,
maybe
just
quickly
get
something
drafted
from
the
governance
community
committee
saying
this
is
like
this
is
like
a
community
event
in
lightstep
is
just
is
just
using
their
bank
account
on
behalf
of
the
community,
basically
to
get
this
going,
but
it's
not
a
it's
not
going
to
be
a
light
step
event.
There's
going
to
be
no,
there
will
be
sponsors.
A
D
That's
the
the
whole,
that's
the
whole
point
of
this
thing,
but
I
think
it
because
it's
just
been
lifestyle
people
talking
to
them
up
till
this
point.
It
might
be
helpful
if
there
was
like
a
letter
or
something
with
the
governance
committee.
Saying
like
like
this
is
this:
is
a
community
sponsored
event,
lightsteps,
just
organizing
it
on
our
behalf,
I.
E
Mean
I
think
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
aware.
As
a
I
mean,
I
agree
with
everything
you
said
in
lives
also,
but
I
think
just
in
terms
of
perception
I
mean
this
was
feedback.
We
got
from
the
incubation
process
also,
you
know,
even
though
you
know
usually
it
happens
to
be
that
light
step
or
splunk
or
someone.
You
know,
got
very
active
in
the
in
driving
the
process,
but
we
should
have
at
least
two
or
three.
You
know
gc
members
from
diverse.
E
Right
because
it
just
avoids
all
these
questions,.
A
A
Say
one
note
about
the
main
cncf
cubecon
observability
track-
I
am
one
of
it
looks
like
I've
been
selected
to
be
one
of
the
co-chairs
for
that
track,
and
it
looks
like
and
like
last
year
this
year
the
proposals
are
very
robust.
Last
year
we
were
having
trouble,
meaning
the
one
in
five
proposals
should
be
recommended.
This
year
we
actually
have
we'll
have
to
make
some
difficult
decisions.
A
Of
the
observability
track,
yes,.
D
So
so,
practically
speaking,
is
there
anyone
here
who
wants
to
be
on
the
organizing
committee
for
this
community
day?
I
might
say
I
don't
think
we
necessarily
need
a
program
committee
because
we're
not
having
a
talk
track.
This
is
just
going
to
be
an
unconference
if
any
kind
of
like
talk
will
just
be
like
some
opening
remarks,
and
maybe
we'll
do
like
a
panel.
D
You
know
like
of
just
like
community
can
ask
maintainers
and
stuff,
but
but
we
really
want
it
to
primarily
be
just
like
an
unconference,
not
a
a
a
single
conference,
a
single
track,
single
talk,
track
conference.
If
that
makes
sense
like
we
don't
want
to
take,
take
yeah.
D
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
exactly
probably
it
could
just
be
like
essentially
a
live
meetup
event
and
the
the
internet
aspect
of
it
can
be
kind
of
live
streaming
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
just
yeah
the
practical
realities
of
like
how
do
you
do
like
an
in-person
community
meetup
and
also
have
people
on
the
internet
participate.
D
It'd
be
definitely
be
good
to
figure
out
how
we
want
to
do
that,
but
in
the
in
the
short
term,
are
the
people
who
want
to
like
if
I
could
go
back
to
the
cncf
and
say
like
this
is
like
people
from
the
gc
who
are
gonna
be
on
the
organizing
committee
with
us.
It's
not
just
lightstep.
Is
there
anyone
willing
to
take
on
some
network
morgan,
yeah.
B
I
think
I've
already
got
our
pmm
courtney
engaged
with
emilia
as
well
for
for
any
sort
of
financial
logistics,
logistical
support.
B
D
A
K
H
Yeah,
I
think
lightstep
has
the
right
combination
of
of
of
like
a
lack
of
process
like
I
think
for
amazon
to
do
this.
It'd
probably
be
very
complicated,
even
though
I
think
your
market
cap
is
pretty
large
but
yeah.
It
is
really
weird
to
me
how
much
difficulty
there
is
as
a
result
of
needing
to
secure
a
space
at
a
hotel
like
yeah.
I
don't
know,
there's
some
there's
some
kind
of
retro
or
something
for
someone
about
this
whole
thing.
B
A
A
You
know
in
this
particular
case:
we
want
to
deviate
from
the
day
zero
event
policies
around
ticketing.
So,
yes,.
I
E
A
B
F
F
D
To
say
that
we
could
do
a
morning
event
for
people
who
had
kubecon
tickets
like
they
could
like,
maybe
set
aside
some
space,
but
we
passed
on
that
just
because
one
kubecon
tickets
and
two
like
the
cncf,
really
wants
to
do
cookie
cutter
things
for
kubecon,
and
that
makes
perfect
sense
because
kubecon
is
this
giant
crazy
tornado
that
they
have
to
organize
anyways,
and
I
kind
of
don't
want
us
to
be
this
special
snowflake.
D
That's
like
always
getting
in
their
hair.
So
hopefully,
if
we
can
get
this
established
this
year,
then
doing
these
things
on
repeat
in
the
future
will
will
be
easier.
I
do
predict.
Other
communities
are
going
to
see
us
doing
this
and
then
they're
going
to
want
to
do
something
similar
and
that
will
probably
draw
off
of
the
number
of
communities
that
may
want
to
do
a
zero
day.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
cncf
is
going
to
say
about
that
happening,
but
but
are.
C
There
other
other
projects
have
actually
talked
about,
not
using
cncf
for
day
zero.
Oh,
like
a
lot
of
times
it
more
just
came
down
to
like
do.
They
want
to
push
through
logistics.
You
know
eventually,
sometimes
they're
like
no
exactly
and.
A
A
Yeah
and
it
sounds
like
we're
working
through
some
of
these
issues,
so
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
Thank
you
very
much
and
yeah
chad,
if
you
and
emilia,
want
to,
like
you
know,
loop
in
loop
and
george,
like
et
cetera,
like
we're
happy
to
help
as
well,
so.
D
Awesome
great
yeah,
we'll
we'll
loop,
you
all
in
morgan,
alita
I'll,
come
back
to
the
cncf
concretely
saying
like
these
people
are
co-organizing.
D
Was
kind
of
funny
it
was
like
the
cncf
is
forcing
us
to
co-op
this
community
event.
So
that's
like
the
the
main
barrier.