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C
C
E
Yep
so
first
we
need
to
decide
on
maintainers
track.
I
posted
an
issue
and
that
posted
an
idea.
I
think
elite
mila
suggested
she
will
talk
about
specific
topic.
E
I
remember
constance
was
saying
in
charge
that
we
need
to
get
non-gc
members
and
it's
preferable
to
get
like
more
people
involved.
So
I
don't
know
like.
Maybe
we
asked
miller
to
do
that.
C
Involved
in
suggesting
things
or
involved
in
like
actually.
C
And
speaking,
yeah
yeah
yeah,
if
we
go
with
the
instrumentation
thing,
which
I
think
would
be
good
good
timing
for
that,
I
I'm
guessing.
We
can
get
a
couple
more
people
at
least
one
more
person
who
who
did
some
native
instrumentation
who
can
come
up
and
talk.
A
G
F
No
they're
the
same
one
yeah
the
same.
One
is
just
that
the
thing
that
we
wanted
to
clarify
this
year
and
is
that
we
wanted,
if
there's
a
like
for
a
maintainer
track.
We
wanted
at
least
the
maintainer
track
to
be
like
sponsored
by
someone
like
on
a
gc
or
as
viewed
as
like
the
classical
sense
of
maintainer,
because
that
way
then
it's
like,
since
the
gc
or
whoever
likes
to
maintainers
tends
to
doesn't
rotate
very
frequently.
We
then
wanted
there
to
be
an
option
for
other
people
to
speak
for
it.
F
G
Right,
I
was
just
gonna
say
that,
like
historically
in
all
the
talks
we
gave
on
jaeger,
it's
always
sort
of
you
assume
people
don't
know
what
the
project
is
right
in
in
those
it's
like,
especially
in
the
general
kubecon
setting,
and
so
it's
like,
you
repeat,
the
same
thing
actually
over
a
year
or
year,
but
there's
always
audience
for
that.
G
C
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
do
an
introduction
to
the
project,
but
from
the
perspective
of
like
open
telemetry
lets,
you
natively
imp,
implement
natively
instrument,
shared
libraries,
which
is
like
classic
problem
that
we're
hopefully
solving
and
then
here's
some
people
who
have
done
it
talking
about
their
experience.
A
Yeah,
I
think,
between
that,
and
also
right,
like
I
think,
end
user
stories
is
also
useful
to
think
about
how
I
think,
but
you
know
it's
not
just
about
the
library
authors
right
like
it's
about
how
do
we
help
people
get
value
earlier
right
that
that's
the
goal
that
both
we
and
library
authors
share
in
common?
That's
what
we
should
be
working
towards.
A
F
Is
so
like
there?
I
don't
think
cody
sent
out
the
form
to
us,
as
you
see,
because
we're
doing
this
like
unofficially,
but
so
what
we
suggested
for
the
structure
is
like
the
first
10
15
minutes
be
an
intro
and
then,
after
the
rest
of
the
time
like,
I
think
it
was
like
15
20
minutes
being
more
of
a
deep
dive
on
something
and
then
space
for
q.
A
so
especially
because
maintainer
tracks
used
to
have
one
two
options:
one
for
an
introduction
and
one
for
deep
dive.
F
F
F
Yeah,
that's
one
way
to
view
it.
It
is
very
vague
because
so,
like
some
people
or
like
saying
some
projects
or
like
maintainer
sessions,
focus
on
it
being
purely
a
q,
a
some
people
do
a
bit
of
like
the
intro
with
road
map
all
stuff
there.
A
C
The
these
are
like
classic
observability
problems
that
open
telemetry
is
solving
better
than
predecessors
by
splitting
things
out,
in
the
one
hand,
splitting
things
out
differently
and
that
it's
a
separate
telemetry
system
and,
on
the
other
hand,
combining
things
and
that
it
handles
all
the
different
types
of
signals,
and
by
doing
it
this
way
you
get
all
the
data
cross-indexed,
which
is
a
huge
improvement,
but
also
you
can
now
natively
instrument
shared
libraries,
which
is
a
thing
you
couldn't
do
before.
G
And
examples
like
if
we
already
have
examples
of
popular
libraries
or
frameworks
or
products
integrating
natively
like
hadoop,
they
had
some
changes
right
with
the
database.
C
Yeah,
that's
right!
Yeah
we
have
to
make
animals
at
that
point
of
native
instrumentation
and
the
deep
dive
could
maybe
be
like.
Like
lumilo
was
saying
like
going
over
like
the
pros
and
cons
like
this
is
what
it's
all
about.
If
you
want
to
do
it
today,
here's
how
you
should
approach
it.
Here's
gotchas
you
should
watch
out
for
here's
where
open
telemetry
is
not
currently
stable,
so
maybe
avoid
that
for
now
that
we
could
kind
of
like
do
a
bit
for
the
deep
dive
part
of
it.
C
E
Yeah,
so
ludmila
has
some
experiences:
instrumenting
azure
sdk,
and
there
are
so
many
gotchas
like
multi-layer
instrumentation
when,
like
all
the
layers
got
instrumented,
how
do
you
avoid
that
massive
layering
of
the
retries
and
such
I
also
wanted
to
bring
kubernetes
api
tracing
so
like
in
kubernetes?
It's
now
built
in
instrumentation
for
api
server.
E
It
will
be
released
in
122.,
david
ashbal
worked
on
that
and
he
will
be
talking
about
it
in
sig,
instrumentation
of
kubernetes.
So
I
don't
know
whether
it's
interception,
interception
topics
that
you
want
to
cover
or
not,
but
that
might
be
interesting
for
people
as
well.
H
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
sega
because
you
know
we've
been
leveraging.
Some
of
that
work
for
the
prometheus
operator
also
changes
for
the
supporting
the
operator.
C
H
C
H
E
E
C
Yeah
I
mean
I
mean
I
think,
maybe
I
would
maybe
work
that
in
about
like
ludmilla's
gonna
talk,
here's,
how
library
instrumentation
works
and
then
we
can
say
like,
but
actually
like,
there's
multiple
levels
of
the
stack
and
places
where
this
instrumentation
is
important.
One's
your
platform
like
kubernetes,
so
kubernetes
is
getting
this
instrumented.
C
Another
is
services
that
you
use
right,
so
we
could
point
at
kafka
who
I
think
is
in
the
process
of
baking.
C
Some
of
this
in-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
like
aws
services
or
other
services
which
which
have
it
baked
in,
we
could
point
at
those
and
then
maybe
point
at
like
proxies
like
envoy,
like
services
that
are
in
band
and
be
like
all
of
this
stuff
collectively
is
gonna
start
producing
otlp
data
that
you
can
integrate
into
in
your
backend
to
get
a
cohesive
picture
of
what
your
system
is
doing.
E
I
think
I
feel
you
have
so
many
ideas.
Maybe
you
need
to
submit
the
talk
and
like
visit
with
miller,
I
know
who
else
want
to
speak.
I
cannot
speak
because
I
mean
on
different
maintenance
track
as
well,
so,
like
ted
with
miller,
who
else
do
we
need
anybody
else?
We
have
up
to
four
sports.
E
C
Yeah
yeah,
if
there's
some
aws
stuff
you
want
to
want
to
talk
about.
When
we
talk
about
the
services
part,
I
assume
we
probably
can't
get
a
confluence
person.
If,
but
I
know,
aws
is
picking
this
stuff
in
so
yep
yep
cool,
so
then
it'd
be
like
intro
and
then
library,
instrumentation
and
then
like
service
instrumentation
and.
C
C
C
F
E
E
Yeah
so
october
is
our
governance
committee
election,
so
we
used
to
use
shifts
before
shifts
had
the
problems
they
introduced,
a
new
process
of
email,
certification,
it's
very
complicated
and
like
we
don't
want
to
get
into
this
mess.
Plus
cncf
developed
this
electa
software,
and
I
was
participating
this
development
as
a
advisor
to
make
sure
that
it
works
for
us.
Unfortunately,
software
just
piece
of
code
that
we
need
to
run
so
somebody
need
to
stand
up
the
kubernetes
cluster
and
mysql
and
tie
it
up
to
our
github
repository.
E
E
A
Use
this
as
opposed
to,
for
instance,
what
what's
it
called
sorry
the
thing
that
the
osi
used?
No,
not
civs,.
H
H
A
Anyways
there
there
is
helios
voting,
which
is
kind
of
hosted
available.
You
know
you
just
give
a
list
of
email
addresses,
but
if
we
must
use
something,
that's
tied
to
a
github
organization
and
the
cfcf
has
produced
a
thing
sure.
As
a
committee
member
who
is
not
standing
for
re-election
this
year,
I
am
happy
to
run
it
and
I
recently
served
on
the
committee
to
investigate
the
osi's
election
process
failure.
So
I
know
what
things
to
not
step
in.
A
Yeah
there
was
a
there
was
a
right
and
proper
mess
at
the
osi
you'll
see
the
report
in
the
next
couple
of
days,
I'm
pretty
sure
but
yeah.
So
I
I
volunteered
tribute
I'll
I'll.
I
will
look
at
the
cncf
software
and
I
can
either
run
it
for
us
or
if
it
doesn't
meet
our
needs,
I
can
set
up
helios
for
us.
It's
fine.
E
Was
a
problem
and
cncf
software
doesn't
have
this
problem,
it
uses
github
candles,
but
I
mean
if
it
doesn't
work,
it
doesn't
work.
We
can
go
with
it.
E
C
E
Think
in
kubernetes
they
just
used
cncf
creators,
but
they
don't
like
they
didn't
get
help
of
like
actual
admin
admin
to
run
it.
So
they
only
like
get
a
free
project
like
free
credits,
for
I
think
it
was
jk.
C
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
thanks
liz
for
taking
that
on
dan,
you
had
some
suggestions
for
yeah
package,
maintainers
yeah,.
D
So
these
this
is
the
node.js
package
maintainers
working
group,
so
they
reached
out
to
me
to
find
out
what
some
of
my
pain
points
were:
maintaining
a
node.js
package,
but
one
of
the
they've
also
been
attending
some
of
the
meetings
recently
and
are
actually
looking
to
contribute,
which
is
nice,
awesome
awesome,
but
one
of
them
reached
out
to
me
with
some
suggestions
about
the
meetings,
and
I
know
that
probably
none
of
these
suggestions
are
implementable
for
us
right
now,
but
I
thought
they
were
reasonable
to
at
least
bring
up
that
people
want
this.
D
One
thing
that
he
suggested
was
private
time
at
the
start
of
meetings.
She
said
they
have
a
lot
of
people
who
join
their
meetings
from
various
companies.
You
know
like
credit
card
vendors
and
and
banks,
and
things
like
that
that
don't
really
want
to
speak
in
a
recorded
meeting.
So
at
the
beginning
of
every
meeting
they
have
a
non-recorded
section
where
they
say.
D
D
The
second
thing
he
said
is
that
they
live
stream
on
youtube
all
of
their
meetings,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
want
to
use
their
meeting
software,
but
also
you
know,
don't
want
to
attend
like
they
don't
want
to
talk
so
they're
just
watching
and
they
don't
want
to
join
the
meeting
using
the
meeting
software.
D
Just
for
that,
I
don't
know
how
easy
that
would
be
for
us
and
then
the
third
one
has
been
brought
up
before
I
know
and
we
sort
of
decided
we
couldn't
really
do
anything
about
it,
but
just
having
a
big
list
of
meetings
so
by
date
makes
it
really
difficult
to
figure
out.
He
was
trying
to
go
back
and
watch
our
previous
meetings,
so
he
could
get
caught
up
and
he
had
a
really
hard
time
finding
the
node.js
meetings
yeah.
H
I
mean,
I
think,
daniel,
that's
an
ongoing
issue,
because
many
people
actually
have
that
issue.
Many
of
our
engineers
included
where
you
know,
because
it's
only
date
based
there's,
no
abstract
or
minutes.
You
know
attached
to
the
video
itself,
so
it's
very
difficult
to
kind
of
go
by
topic
and
try
to
follow
a
particular
sig.
D
Yeah,
so
I
realize
none
of
these
three
are
probably
easy
to
implement,
but
it's
worth
noting
that
people
are
asking
for
them.
The
private
business
in
particular.
I
thought
was
interesting.
D
H
And
usually,
if
there
are,
you
know,
I
mean
banks
and
other
kind
of
large
institutions
attend
all
the
time.
I
see
customers
all
the
time
and
on
these
meetings
and
they'll
reach
out
after
the
meeting
on
slack
anyway,
they
they're
on
cncf
slack.
So
I
haven't
seen
that
issue.
Where
you
know,
a
user
who
has
specific
needs
is
not
able
to
kind
of
reach
out
to
the
maintainers
and
chat
with
them,
or
you
know
just
ask
them.
F
C
H
C
E
H
C
That
one
I
agree
with,
if
there's
any
of
these
that
are
affecting
our
community
today,
I
think
it's
the
last
one
not
being
able
to
like,
like
we
sort
of
like
we're
like
yeah,
it's
public,
but
it's
almost
like
it's
public
from
like
a
legal
standpoint,
almost
like.
If
you
really
care
about
a
particular
meeting,
you
could
track
it
down.
But
if
you're
just
trying
to
like
follow
along
with
what
the
node.js
working
group
is
up
to
it's
like
super
painful
to
do
that.
But.
H
H
If
we
cannot
do
anything
fancier
or
at
least
having
a
link
to
the
because
it's
not
very
obvious
right,
I
mean
you
have
to
go
into
the
calendar
in
order
to
find
the
meeting
notes,
link
and
then
go,
and
I
mean
it's
usually
very
hard
for
people
on
youtube
to
go
and
do
that.
C
E
Needs
to
be
done
and
how
much
transparency
you
can
propose,
I
mean
theoretically
like
there
are
a
few
problems
like
first
is
plain,
is
a
best
software.
We
found
so
far
to
upload
videos
to
youtube,
but
plane
has
all
those
limitations
that
it
doesn't
post
which
room
this
video
is
from
and
what
time
is
it
from?
So
if
it
would
pause
it
then,
like
we
have
a
special
program
that
runs
and
publicizing
meetings
based
on
like
time.
E
So
we
also
clean
up,
like
all
short
meetings,
that
somebody
joined
the
room
and
dropped
out
immediately,
so
this
software
can
then
match
it
somehow
to
the
calendar
and
white,
but
with
this
limitation,
can
it
yeah?
I
mean
it.
Just
is
just
a
balance
we
can
like
in
kubernetes
they
go
all
the
way
other
way,
so
is
a
cost
needs
to
join
first
and
then
host
can
start
recording,
but
then
it's
so
much
responsibility
and
on
the
person
who
watching
the
meeting
on
the
maintainer,
like
it's
quite
tedious.
C
If
we
had
a
zoom
room
per
per
meeting,
would
that
would
that
solve
things
like
if
we
weren't
reusing
the
zoom
links
across
different
meeting
types?
I'm
curious.
E
Just
like
for
governance
committee,
specifically,
we
created
a
separate
meeting
that
is
actually
meeting
in
the
zoom
sense,
so
it
has
a
separate
id.
The
problem
is
that
it
will
expire
at
some
point,
so
I
think
it
will
expire
in
like
in
six
months
or
something
so
in
six
months.
Somebody
will
need
to
go
and
recreate
this
meeting
or
extend
it
somehow.
I
I
never
went
through
this
process
yet,
but
yeah.
E
This
is
totally
possible
to
create
separate
meetings,
but
then
somebody
will
need
to
remember
to
go
and
update
in
zoom
every
so
often
or
we
can
create
more
accounts.
Accounts
are
also
cheap
for
cncf
to
create,
but
then
like
we,
you
probably
will
need
like
25
or
something
accounts
to
be
created
and
then
managing
them
and
updating
settings
followers,
and
it's
also
a
little
bit
tedious
yeah.
C
G
H
That
is
the
meeting
invite
second.
H
E
I
mean
I
can
give
password
to
whoever
interested
to
pursue
this
and
try
to
clean
it
up.
So.
C
E
We
have
four
so
okay,
let
me
reiterate
so
we
have
four
zoom
accounts
and
every
zoom
account
has
a
default
room,
so
it's
kind
of
rooms
that
every
time
you
can
join
at
any
time
and
start
conversation.
E
So
we
share
this
as
a
link
to
the
meeting
links.
So
every
time
you
join
it,
it
started
recording,
and
this
is
meeting
started
so
also
in
zoom
accounts.
You
can
create
specific
meetings
for
specific
time.
I
don't
know
whether
this
link
can
be
joined
at
any
moment
or
it
can
be
joined
at
like
that
time.
Only
I
I
didn't
look
that
deep,
but
so
this
first
I
don't
know
whether
it
can
be
joined
at
any
moment-
and
second,
is
I'm
not
sure
was
it
can
be
recurrent
forever.