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D
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E
E
Yes,
I
think
so
and-
and
I
I
do
use
my
gmail-
so
should
be
okay,
hi
dressy.
How
are
you.
E
That,
but
unless
I'll
I'll
bring
you
my
email
and
then
we
can,
I
can
update
it
when
needed.
But
I
would
rather
run
on
my
gmail,
which
is
pretty
seamless.
E
E
Liz
you're
you're
in
on
this
side
of
the
planet.
A
E
A
Yeah,
it
is
a
six
and
a
half
feet,
long
piano.
A
Over
over
25
years,.
E
Leave
it
for
more
minutes,
but
what's
happening
here,
everybody's
busy
jurassic
would
join
in.
So
this
is
unfair
bogdan!
I'm
expecting
that's
nice
logan.
Did
you
review
that
project
proposal?
That
ted
has
been
sharing
again?
If
you
guys
haven't
looked
at
it,
you
should.
Let
me
just
give
the
share
the
link
or
you
know,
kind
of
how
do
we
shepherd
new
projects
and
also
maintain
road
maps
and
stuff?
E
I
just
shared
that
on
the
chat,
but
again
you
guys
should
totally
read
it
and
provide
your
feedback
because
it
it
structurally,
you
know,
affects
the
tc
and
how
the
tc,
you
know
allocates
time
and
ownership
for
reviewing
proposals
and
shepherding.
C
C
All
right
I
have,
I
was
out
sick
yesterday,
so
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
look
at
any
comments.
People
left
on
it,
but
I
would
yeah.
C
E
A
E
Course,
the
other
area
of
a
road
map
right
being
current
and
being
maintainable.
So
lots
of,
I
think
there
are
multiple
areas
in
the
stock
which
may
be
aligned.
I
mean
maybe
allies,
but
not
the
same.
So
so
again,
let's
let's
get
feedback
and
then
iterate
yeah.
C
You
know
definitely
I'd
love
to
know
if
people
think
it's
generally
good,
if
it's
too
much
overhead,
what
what
have
you.
A
With
the
thesis
that
right
like,
if
you
have,
if
you
have
too
many
half
done
projects
that
is
much
worse
than
do
doing
entire
projects
to
completion,
so
I
think.
C
The
other
thing
that
I
I
have
found
as
someone
who's
like
helped
organize
some
of
you
know
like
the
latest
rounds
of
sigs
we're
moving
into
this
territory
where
a
lot
of
the
work
we're
trying
to
do,
or
at
least
a
good
portion
of
it
really
benefits
from
having
external
contributors
subject
matter
experts,
basically
because
it's
important
to
hotel,
but
we
aren't
necessarily
the
subject
matter,
experts,
whether
it's
like
rum,
client
instrumentation,
because
we're
very
like
back-end
heavy
or
it's
like
what
should
sql
instrumentation
produce.
C
The
thing
I
have
found
is:
it
is
possible
to
get
those
people
involved,
but
if
they're
really
going
to
be
involved,
there's
usually
some
scheduling
that
has
to
happen
right,
like
it's
not
feasible
to
just
be
like.
Can
you
just
start?
Next
week
it's
usually
like?
Well,
I
have
to
go
like
talk
with
my
manager
or
I'm
talking
with
a
manager
somewhere
and
they're
like
yeah.
C
I
could
find
people,
but
you
know
it
won't
be
till
like
next
quarter,
because
that's
how
our
planning
works,
and
so
we
end
up
with
a
situation
where
we
can
kind
of
like
get
all
those
people
aligned
to
like
start
next
quarter,
which
means
then
we
need
to
to
make
it
clear
that,
like
we're,
committed
and
ready
to
like
start
that
project
next
quarter,
when
all
those
people
show
up
so
there
isn't
some
just
some
mismatch
there
and
those
are
the
projects.
C
I
think
that
will
benefit
the
most
from
this
kind
of
organization
like
like
the
rest
of
the
projects
already
are
more
or
less
being
like
led
by
a
tc
member
or
two,
and
you
know
it's
like
a
let
less
of
a
little
bit
less
of
an
issue
except
for
just
maybe
just
general
awareness
about
what
we're.
What
we're
up
to.
E
Yeah
and
also
incorporating
new
new
contributors
right
through
those
spirits,
yeah.
A
C
Yeah,
that's
the
real
positive
thing
about
these
other
groups.
Starting
up
is
if,
if
we
do
bring
them
in
and
help
them
out-
and
they
have
like
a
good
experience,
then
it's
easy
for
me
to
see
how
some
of
those
people
then
stick
around
and
become
like
long-term
maintainers,
which
is
like
really
helpful,
because
that
expands
our
like
subject
matter.
Expertise
among
like.
E
I
mean
you
brought
up
a
very
good
area,
which
you
know
I
think
again.
Many
stakeholders
are
interested,
especially
rum,
real
user
monitoring,
because
you
know.
E
Side
monitoring
is
definitely
going
to
intersect
with
hotel.
It's
all
hotel
is
already
being
used
in
many
of
those
instances.
So
but
but
the
implications
are
that
you
know
I
mean
the
footprint
that
is
being
provided
say
by
the
collector
or
by
the
apis,
may
be
different.
You
know
for
for
client
considerations
and
other
stuff
right.
So
again
it's
a.
C
And
yeah
I
found
with
all
of
these
things.
There's
there's
been
like
this
process
for,
for
me
at
least,
and
I'm
sure
you
know,
dc
members
are
performing
the
roles
that
I'm
performing
in
them.
It's
like
the
first
step
is
usually
these
people
are
coming
in
with
a
more
like
old-school
model
of
observability.
That's
like
very
segregated,
like
their
thing.
C
So
far,
there's
been
like,
like
one
or
two
things
that
are
a
real
humdinger
where
it
just
doesn't
it
either
doesn't
quite
fit
into
our
model
or
the
just.
The
mechanics
of
our
api
make
it
difficult,
so
that
was
like
you
know,
message
cues
and
how
they
work
with
links,
and
you
know
how
do
you
express
these
these
really
long
complicated?
C
You
know
messaging
system
chains
and
with
like
the
rum
people
like
the
like
kind
of
like
session
id
concepts,
really
the
probably
been
the
main
thing
there,
where
you
know,
there's
there's
no
escaping
having
core
tc
involvement
in
like
working
through
those
issues,
because
they
can't
just
be
like
additions
that
we
just
cleanly
add
to
the
specs
so
yeah.
I
think
we
would
benefit
a
lot
going
forwards
with
any
new
projects.
C
We
spin
up
by
just
kind
of
ensuring
we're
tracking
that
so
the
various
tc
members
who
who
are
going
to
be
interested
in
that
stuff
are
are
kind
of
involved
in
just
like
the
first
round
of
those
conversations
or
at
any
rate,
by
the
time
those
proposals
are
like
getting
to
the
stage
where
they're
hitting
the
wider
audience
like
there's
already
like
tc
buy-in
that
this
is
a
good
direction.
C
I
would
say:
that's
that's
mostly
for
these
particular
projects
where
it's
been
a
little
difficult.
Not
that
the
end
solution
has
been
bad,
but
the
the
process
of
getting
there
has
been
a
little
like
like
stop
start
as
like
people
kind
of
when
people
are
getting
involved
is
just
like.
C
We
haven't
been
like
planning
it,
so
it's
just
been
a
little
like
we
get
really
far
and
then
like
surprise
people
with
some
proposal
out
of
the
blue
and
then
they're
like
what
the
hell
are
you
talking
about,
and
then
we
have
to
kind
of
like,
like
rebuild
up
all
the
state
around
the
the
project.
Again
yeah.
I
think
we
could,
if
we
improved,
that
that
would
really
make
like
our
spec
development
go
better
in
the
future.
E
I
I
know
ted
that
we
had
also
discussed
that
you
know
the
tc
I
mean.
Obviously
the
pc
will
get
pretty
strapped
by
this
kind
of
fun.
I
mean
if
we
do
have
an
a
lot
of
projects
coming
in,
at
the
same
time,
a
lot
of
sub
projects
you
know
which
are
proposals
again,
having
the
concept
of
an
onboarding
buddy
or
a
sponsor
of
some
sort.
You
know
so
that
they're
not
only
tc
members,
because
the
tc
can
then
you
know
expert,
be
the
experts
in
terms
of
the
final
reviews
and
stuff.
E
C
I
could
see
I
could
I'll
think
about
adding
that
to
the
proposal.
I
do.
I
do
think
it's
like
important
for
there
to
be
tc
involvement
or
commitment.
Yeah.
C
C
It
makes
it
clearer
like
how
many
of
these
we
can
start
and
if
it's
like,
actually
certain
particular
tc
members
need
to
be
involved
in
like
a
lot
of
like
some
of
these
projects,
but
maybe
not
so
much
in
others.
It
helps
us
figure
out
how
to
like
parallelize
in
a
bit
a
bit
more
balanced
way,
and-
and
since
we
haven't
been
doing
that,
it's
been
a
little
it's.
C
C
I
I
would
also
like
it
to
be
that,
like
it's
kind
of
like
maybe
one
of
the
core
definitions
of
being
a
tc
member,
is
that
you're
you're
available
to
to
shepherd
these,
like
spec
projects
and
like
if
someone's
really
like,
has
been
drawn
away
from
the
project
so
much
there.
They
have
so
little
time
to
to
contribute
to
hotel
that
they
can't
realistically,
they
can't
realistically
bottom
line
anything
anymore.
That's
maybe
a
clearer
way
to
describe.
C
E
E
Wasn't
I
mean
in
the
prior
discussions
we've
had
with
the
dc?
Wasn't
the
idea
to
for
the
tc
to
come
back
within
roles
clearly
and
and
then
and
kind
of
in
pros
timeline
for
rotation
if
somebody's,
not
active
or
whatever,
like
inactivity,.
C
All
right
is
that
I
think
dc
was
working
on.
I
know
there
was
like
some
feedback
from
like
some
issues
on
iraq
opened.
C
There
was
some
like
a
lot
of
stuff
got
clarified.
I
think
in
like
the
spec
contributing
guidelines.
A
C
Like
who's
expected
to
like
respond
to
what
there
and
the
the
other
thing,
I'm
working
on
with
riley
and
and
reggie
is
just
separate
from
this
high
level
project
backlog,
it's
just
just
our
regular
old-fashioned,
like
spec,
backlog,
triage
and
management.
We
did
do
a
review
and
the
thing
we
discovered
is
like.
C
Actually
we
do
have
at
this
point
like
pretty
good,
clearly
defined
processes
written
down,
but
because
we
don't
have
like
a
project
manager
and
we
aren't
doing
like
triage
sessions
and
stuff
anymore,
we're
not
really
keeping
track
of
whether
those
things
are
like
actually
happening.
So
the
the
other
proposal,
that's
coming,
we're
looking
less
like.
Oh
here's
like
a
new
proposal
for
how
we
do
things
and
we're
just
like
hey.
C
C
I
think
that
they're
they're,
all
in
like
different,
you
know,
states
of
being
you
know
well-staffed
or
not,
but
for
for
me
it's
more
than
just
the
core.
The
core
spec
stuff,
I
think,
is
just
like
such
a
huge
and
potentially
nebulous
volume
of
work
that
it
just
needs.
C
There's
just
a
huge
amount
of
external
attention
that
comes
there
and
it's
it's
like
such
a
fire
hose
that
we
just
need
more.
It's
clear.
We
need
more
more
people
in
project
manager,
roles
to
just
help,
make
sure
that,
like
stuff,
isn't
getting
forgotten
about
or
ignored
or
or
we're
saying
like
yes
to
like
way
too
many
things
that
we
can't
can't
possibly
like
deliver
on.
C
C
So,
like
I
give
us
like
good
grades
on
like
like
ensuring
that
the
spec
for
hotel
is
like
remaining
high
quality
and
like
working
on
things
that
are
important,
so
I
think
that
part
is
actually
going
going
really.
Well,
it's
just
just
it's
just
like
confusing
what
we're
working
on.
So
we
just
need
a
little
more
project
management.
There.
E
Added
some
items
on
the
bottom
of
the
dock
there's
a
list
of
items
he
wanted
to
discuss
10
from
the
maintainers
meeting.
Okay,
these
are
the
two
questions.
C
Yes,
so
this
came
up
from
the
maintainers
meeting
was
we
did
have
a
talk
in
the
maintainers
meeting
about
like
sig
health,
we
kind
of
asked
people.
What
they
felt
would
be
useful,
like
would
like
a
survey,
be
be
useful
and
kind
of
like
one
thing
that
came
out
is
like
there
are
some
sigs,
where
it
is
somewhat
straightforward,
where,
if
like
we
lose,
some
maintainers
like
java
is
like
losing
a
couple
maintainers
right
now,
so
yeah,
actually
yeah,
fyi,
lolita
and
bogdan
and
others.
We
need
more
java
maintainers.
I.
E
C
I'm
sure
you
know
it,
but
just
yeah
fyi,
that's
that's
a
particular
one
came
out,
but
that's
an
example
of
exhibit
a
where,
like
I
have
a
fair
amount
of
faith
that
we
can
just
kind
of
like
get
more
java
developers.
C
But
then
we
have
these
like
other
languages
and
groups
where
it's
like,
not
the
core,
competency
or
otherwise,
not
seen
as
like,
like
java
level
priority
to
the
organizations
that
contribute.
A
lot
of
engineers
like
php
is
like
the
classic
neglected
child
in
our
sig
community,
and
so
the
question
that
came
up
from
them
and
some
others
is
like
just
asking
for
help
and
just
like
posting
on
the
internet,
hey
we
need
help,
doesn't
doesn't
necessarily
seem
to
like
work
to
yeah.
E
A
E
I
think
understanding
so
that
I
mean
going
back
to
that
question
earlier.
I
had
also
asked
about
you
know
how
do
we
track
active
maintainers
on
each
language
because,
as
you
said
right
I
mean
java's
been
kind
of
reduce,
dropping
number.
The.
E
You
know
I
mean
they're,
just
people
were
changing
things,
you
know
their
focus,
but
it
has,
it
has,
you
know,
lost
a
lot
of
the
maintainers
that
or
is
in
the
process
of
and
and
you
know
again,
we
can
totally
mitigate.
You
know
these
kind
of
areas
once
because
there's
an
onboarding,
you
know.
A
E
Time
frame
also,
so
how
do
we
get
an
accurate
count
say
every
quarter
or
something
is
that
something
somebody's
tracking
or
should
we
just
write.
C
A
quarter
quarterly
audit
sounds
good.
I
mean
as
far
as
just
tracking
maintainer
numbers,
like
all
the
sigs
post,
their
current
maintainers.
You
know
in
their
readmes
for
the
most
part,
so
that's
the
thing
we
can
anytime
any
one
of
us
just
wants
to
like
like
go
through
the
list
and
and
and
write
down
the
number
of
maintainers.
We
can
do
that.
C
I
would
say
like
at
minimum
quarterly
and
yeah
a
quarterly
like
outreach
to
sig
to
just
have
them
check
in
about
what
they're
doing
the
the
sigs
didn't
seem
like
opposed
to
that.
I
think
the
thing
they
they
brought
up
in
is
like
we
can
do
that,
but
we're
not
sure
that's
useful,
because
how
is
it
going
to
translate
into
like
fixing
things
for
us.
D
D
C
Which
kind
of
yeah
gets
back
to?
Maybe
just
that
earlier
point
of
it's
it's
a
little
tricky
to
ask
people
to
become
emeritus,
because
you
know
like
it's
just
it
just
always
feels
like
an
awkward
conversation
for
some
reason
and
people,
even
if
it's
like
totally
valid
they've,
just
like
moved
on
people
often
just
feel
bad
about.
Moving
to
america
like
like
they've
done
something
wrong
or
something
like
it's.
C
And
so
the
degree
to
which
we
can
put
some
process
around
it
might
make
it
easier
so
that
a
quarterly
thing
might
make
that
easier.
I'm
really
loath
to
say,
like
you,
must
respond
to
a
minimum
of
five
pr's
a
month
to
make
something
like
like
that.
Just
sounds
lame.
No.
E
You
know
again
code
reviews,
design,
you
know
and
and
pr's
in
the
last
quarter
right.
It
doesn't
have.
C
E
C
E
C
C
E
C
The
project
you
know
so
that
that
might
be
helpful.
E
C
It
certainly
seems
like,
especially
for
you
know,
with
like
the
spec.
There
seems
to
be
a
desire
to
like
cap,
the
the
maximum
number
of
tc
members,
but
like
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
problem
for,
like
any
other
sig
like,
like.
I
think
all
of
the
sigs
are
totally
fine,
saying,
like
anyone,
who's
emeritus,
if
they
find
the
time
and
want
to
come
back
like
they
can
just
just
come
back
just.
A
C
B
Yeah,
so
perhaps
you
know
one
thing
that
we
can
we
could
have,
and
it's
something
we
have.
I
think
for
the
collector
is
that
we
have
duties
for
every
approver
in
that
case,
where
every
approver
has
to
do
a
release
every
once
in
a
while,
we
had
a
similar
process
for
jaeger,
where
every
maintainer
would
have
to
do
a
release
every
once
in
a
while.
So
that's
and
once
most
people
are
not
interested
in
the
project
anymore
or
if
they
they
can't.
For
some
reason,
do
you
just
resign?
B
So
I'm
sure
that
I
see
the
advantage
of
asking
people
to
become
americans
or
what
is
the
real
problem
in
having
people
with
maintainer
status
and
not
being
an
active
maintainer.
E
I
think
it's
more
rights
because
I
think,
as
bogdan
has
alluded
to
earlier
in
different
conversations
again,
if
they're
doing
releases-
or
you
know,
have
super
user
capabilities
that
might
be
it
might
be
an
issue.
But
I
don't
see
that
this
is
open
source.
C
E
E
To
plan
right
because
again,
if
you
are
going
to
go
and
reach
out
to
different
teams,
it
typically
in
large
orgs,
you
know
takes
a
month
or
two
to
actually
get
folks
lined
up
and
and
if
you
don't
have
an
accurate
picture
at
least
some
of
us,
don't,
then
you
know
it's
just
difficult.
B
B
C
I
don't
think
it's
on
us
to
be
dictating
to
the
cigs,
but
I
think
they
would
benefit
from
a
more
organized
process
of
us
asking
them
to
periodically
review
their
roster
and
like
move
people
up,
ask
people
to
become
approvers
or
other
roles
if
they've
been
around
for
a
while,
ask
people
gently
to
maybe
request
some
people
step
down
if
it
looks
like
they
truly
truly
are
not
like
around,
but
I
think
we
could
do
that
with
a
process
more
than
with,
like
a
set
of
like
like
hard
rules
about
it.
Yeah.
C
C
How
do
we
get
more
maintainers
like
we
need
more
strategies
to
think
think
through
more
better
strategies
for
for
getting
people
in,
because
it
is
such
a
big
time
commitment
and
like
a
time
commitment
over
a
long
horizon.
We
get
people
who
come
and
go
from
these
groups,
but
if
we
want
to
make
keep
maintainer
health
up,
then,
like
those
are
people
who
we're
hoping
are
going
to
like
stick
around
for
like
a
year.
You
know
with
the
amount
of
effort
it
takes
to
to
train
them
up
and
everything
so
yeah.
So
that's,
that's!
D
Going
through
this,
by
the
way,
it
will
be
very
important,
and
sooner
or
later,
to
have
clear
rules
of
removing
also
people
from
from
different
cities
and
yeah
asking
for
them
to
go.
Emeritus
is
one
thing,
but
sometimes
you
have
to
to
have
clear
rules
like
okay,
if
the
person
doesn't
want
to
get
them
elitist
or
whatever,
but
it's
not
before
six
months
or
two
years
or
whatever.
E
E
C
D
C
I
agree,
I
think
I
think
it's
worth
it
to
start
with
just
figuring
out
like
the
data
like
alita
said
and
just
I
think,
for
most
scenarios.
If,
if
people
are
asked,
they
would
probably
agree,
I
don't
know
like
it's
a
yeah
who
knows
like,
but
it's
like
a
starting
point,
but
yeah
we
could.
If
we
could
set
some
bars.
I
would
like
the
bars
to
be
like
pretty
far
down.
You
know
it's
like,
but.