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A
Hello
good
morning,
good
morning,
happy
thursday.
B
A
C
A
E
Not
really
an
agenda
item,
but
the
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
the
quick
response
on
the
maintainer
disagreement
last
week
and
things
are
well
resolved.
E
E
Yeah
things
are
positive,
obviously,
the
maintainer
that
lost
the
vote
was,
you
know,
understandably,
a
little
annoyed,
but
I
think
that
was
expected
and
okay
yeah
everyone's
an
adult.
Everyone
was
able
to
move
on.
G
C
Oh
yeah,
that's
a
question
that
somebody
raised
people
want
to
share
passwords.
I
mean
I
just
curious
if
anybody
from
colorado's
committee
wants
to
take
lead
on
setting
up
one
password
for
community
or
we
just
recommend
them
to
not
do
like
do
some
like
home
grown
solution
for
other
specific
groups,.
C
A
C
Yeah,
so
I
asked
amy
and
she
said
that
they
typically
recommend
one
password
and
one
customer
has
free
license
for
open
source
projects.
So
our
project
is
quite
huge.
I'm
curious
like
how
much
onpassword
can
how
flexible
one
password
is
to
manage
different
groups,
so
specifically,
python
maintainers
needs
to
be
set
specifically
and,
like
maybe
other
groups
who
want
to
share
some
passwords.
So
if
anybody
wants
to-
and
I
understand
one
person
gives
one
kind
of
license-
I
don't
know
what
it
means
for
open
source
projects.
C
A
I
was
thinking
that
cncf
might
be
able
to
set
this
up
for
us.
We
should
at
least
ask
if
they
will
set
it
up
and
get
all
the
groups
set
up
and
I'm
totally
done
with
one
password.
My
only
thought
on
all
of
this
is
don't
use
lastpass,
but
that
comes
from
other
things.
A
C
Yeah
me
too
yeah
anyway,
if
anybody
wants
to
take
a
lead
on
that,
please
speak
up.
A
G
A
C
The
second
is
I
just
pasted
from
maintainers
like
email
from
maintainers.
It's
form
asking
about
what
we
will
be
in
person
on
cryptcon
and
whereas
we
want
to
be,
we
have
a
pavilion
thing.
I
don't
know
whether
they
ask
one
maintainer
to
fill
it
up
or
they
ask
everybody.
E
A
Okay,
so
I
can,
I
can
tell
you
so
there
is
a
space
in
the
expo
hall
that
has
little
display
space
for
lack
of
a
better
term
that
is
provided
for
projects.
So
you
can
say
I
want
to
be
there.
Your
logo
goes
up,
you
can
put
project
members
there,
it's
sort
of
the
the
corporate
booth
only
for
projects
and
there's
a
specific
space
where
all
the
projects
are
and
those
projects
don't
pay.
I
don't
think
they
pay
anything
for
those
booths.
A
A
It
would
be
open,
telemetry,
the
project
which
ended
up
in
the
project
alley.
We
could
put
logos,
you
know
if
we
decided
we
wanted
to
send
some
money
somewhere
and
figure
out.
You
know
and
ask
for
this
from
the
cncf.
We
could
you
know
here's
the
image
we
want
on
our
backdrop
or
whatever
I
don't
know,.
F
A
B
B
B
G
But
yeah
yeah,
okay,
so
I
yeah
that's
interesting,
it's
a
hybrid,
I
would
assume-
and
maybe
this
is
incorrect.
Sarah
craig,
I
would
assume
that
saying
I
want
to
participate
in
person
also
would
include.
I
want
to
participate
in
a
hybrid
wave.
G
We
would
like
to
do
in
person
and
virtually
okay.
Are
we
interested
in
doing
project
office
hours?
I
think
yes,
virtual
booth.
I
think
yes,
physical
booth.
I
think
yes,
a
pr
support
for
an
upcoming
release,
probably
metrics,
and
maybe
some
of
the
logging
stuff.
I
think
we'll
have
releases
to
celebrate.
Yeah
yeah.
G
F
G
B
E
Do
we
know
if
there
are
any
like
leadership
positions,
gctc
that
don't
work
for
a
company
that
would
pay
for
their
travel?
I
know
there's
at
least
one
maintainer,
because
one
of
the
javascript
maintainers
is.
G
Php,
probably
bob
from
mailchimp,
I
mean
they're
well
funded,
but
but
this
is
not
his
core
job,
there's,
probably
quite
a
few
maintainers
in
terms
of
gctc,
I'm
not
certain
yeah.
B
G
C
F
C
Yeah,
so
a
small
update.
Now
like
htc
member,
I
wrote
this
original
draft
of
flowmill
due
diligence,
I
mean
generally,
I
spoke
with
few
people
already
and
so
far
we
don't
see
any
bloggers.
Nobody
against
four
meal
is
a
long-term
solution.
At
the
same
time,
nobody
ready
to
jump
in
and
start
contributing
and
or
adoption.
For
me.
D
Actually,
I
wanted
to
you
know
sync
up
with
you
on
that,
because
we're
definitely
interested
in
contributing-
and
I
am
happy
to
assign
an
engineer.
C
So
and
a
couple
more
things
we
identify
like
for
first
is,
there
is
no
back
end
like
back
end
is
not
being
donated
and
we
are
not
sure
how
useful
flow
meal
collector
will
be
without
the
back
end
processing.
So
this
is
the
open
question
you
want
to
understand
and
resolve
is
formula
and
small
issue
for
like.
I
think
copyright
is
not
a
problem.
C
At
least
what
was
I
was
told,
but
we
need
to
resolve
the
issue
of
trademark.
So
if
flowmill
is
a
splunk
trademark,
we
may
want
to
either
splunk
will
donate
it
to
cncf
or
we
need
to
rename
the
project.
So
people
wouldn't
have
problems
later,
adapting
it
on
or
using
whole
meal
name.
Is
there
in
their
markets
and
materials.
F
F
I
think
the
answer
is
a
pretty
clean,
no,
which
is
great-
and
I
think
we
talked
about
this
before
so-
apologies
for
resurfacing
the
previous
discussion,
but
I'm
I
guess,
like
the
so
the
concern
I
have
it's
not
really
about
flood
mill,
but
just
about
hotel
that
the
core
of
otel
keeps
on
getting
larger
in
scope
and
it's
causing
so
many
problems
for
us,
and
so
I'm
all
sorry
about
the
jackhammer,
I'm
all
about
flo
mill
donation.
It's
awesome!
F
I
just
don't
want
it
to
be
part
of
the
same
surface
area
that
we're
trying
to
maintain
at
like
the
core
project
level,
because
it's
already
too
big
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
use
this
as
a
moment
in
time
to
kind
of
get
better
at
allowing
for
donations
and
I'm
fine
with
it
being
branded
as
hotel,
but
not
being
part
of
the
surface
that
the
gc
and
tc
need
to
specifically
govern.
Does
that
make
sense?
Or
is
that.
F
F
They're,
not
even
it's
not
even
an
app
it's
an
apple.
An
orange
right
like
the
pixie
donation,
is
totally
different
than
this
level,
then,
which
is
fine
a
bit.
It's
kind
of
it's
a
yes
and
what
you're
saying
list,
but
it's
not
even
comparable.
It's
like
I
mean
yes,
they
both
involve
ptf,
but
the
nature
of
the
donation
is
totally
different
part
of
the
project
and
all
sorts
of
stuff.
So
I'm
just
wondering
like
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
say?
D
Again,
ben,
I
think
that
the
solution
there
possibly
could
be
that
we
actually,
as
morgan,
said
added
to
contrib
and
also
tag
it
as
experimental.
I
mean,
there's
no
reason
when
we've
been
discussing
this
at
the
maintainer
level,
you
know:
how
do
we
better
enable
you
know
more
contributions
and
and
contributors,
but
at
the
same
time
also
not
have
everything
you
know
being
part
of
core
right
and
and
yeah.
D
Gc
and
tc
is,
you
know,
focused
responsibility
there.
So
I
think
that
if
we
have
a
proposal-
and
perhaps
we
can
address
that
with
the
flow
contribution-
it's
a
good
example-
then
we
can
actually
set-
and
I've
had
several
conversations
with
tigran
on
this,
because
he
had
a
proposal,
and
I
also
have
you
know
been
working
with
josh
and
punya
on
proposal.
You
know
to
expand
upon
that
idea
of.
How
do
we,
actually,
you
know,
incorporate
more
contributions
or
continue
to
do
that.
F
Yeah,
it's
it's
in
my
whole
body
because
the
room
is
sort
of
shaking,
but
I
I
was
just
going
to
say
I'm
all,
I'm
very
in
favor
of
contributing
honestly,
I
don't
want
experimental
to
be
the
answer
like
I
want
it
to
be
possible
to
donate
a
mature
non-experimental
project
to
open
telemetry
without
it
becoming
part
of
the
core
maintenance
burden.
So
I
think,
can
we?
I
guess
my
request
is
just
it's
a
it's
a
yes
on
on
flowmail.
F
I
think
it's
valuable,
but
but
can
we
make
sure
that
somehow
this
is
done
in
a
way
where,
like
the
tc
and
gc,
don't
need
to
get
involved
beyond
just
saying
yes
put
it
in
contrib
or
whatever?
F
The
answer
is
because
I
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
practice
for
us,
because
there'll
be
many
other
similar
donations
and
we
just
can't
get
into
habit
of
doing
kind
of,
I
think,
what's
happened
with
the
collector
actually
with
the
collector
is
an
awesome
piece
of
software,
but
it's
also
becoming
a
single
integration
point
for
too
many
things
and
thankfully
the
flow
mill
is
not
going
into
the
collector,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
repeat
that.
I
think
it
will
kind
of
kill
the
project.
G
I
think,
for
my
perspective,
is
at
least
for
things
like
flowmill,
as
opposed
to
like
the
stands
of
logging,
which
I
also
supported.
The
integration
of
the
the
stanza
work
is
like
it
kind
of
by
definition,
has
to
be
pretty
core
inside
of
the
collector,
because
it's
called
how
we
want
to
capture
logs
long
term
and
so
yeah
that
one's
a
big
discussion
and
it's
going
to
get
long
term
we'll
have
the
involvement
of
the
tc
and
gc
and
everyone
else.
G
H
I
totally
hear
what
ben
says
about
wanting
to
not
bottleneck
this
right
like
if
we're
going
to
expand
the
breadth
of
open
telemetry.
I
would
like
to
see
an
expansion
in
the
tc
or,
like
I.
H
I
guess
that
I
I
feel
like
there's
a
middle
path
here
like
on
the
one
hand,
yes,
projects,
just
like
you
know
in
general,
projects
should
be
able
to
maintain
themselves
somewhat
independently,
but
at
the
same
time
there
needs
to
be
some
amount
of
coherency
right
like
if
we're
going
to
say,
open,
telemetry
is
going
to
expand
to
encompass
like
evpf
and
profiling,
and
things
like
that,
I
I
do
feel
like
there's
a
certain
amount
of
what
is
a
coherent
way
to
expand
the
project
to
include
these.
H
B
Job
is
right,
like
our
job
as
a
gc
is
to
act
as
the
product
management
org
for
this
for
this
open
source
project
right,
which
means
that
we
need
to
actually
cultivate
and
maintain
right,
like
things
that
fit
in
our
vision
versus
things
that
don't
and
things
that
you
know
meet
our
criteria
for
fitting
in
our
complexity,
budget.
D
B
H
So
yeah-
and
I
just
kind
of
feel
like
if
we
want
to
expand
into
like
evpf
and
network
stuff.
Like
that's
that's
great,
we
should
do
it,
but
I
I
just
don't
think
it
should
just
be
like
you
all
go
go
over
in
the
corner
there
and
do
your
thing.
I
would
love
to
see
something
some
kind
of
expansion
at
the
management
level
to
include
some
of
those
people.
H
H
It
needs
to
go
into
the
spec
on
some
level.
You
know,
so
it's
not
just
like
open
telemetry.
Just
doesn't
become
this
like
collection
of
like
stuff
that
maybe
plays
well
together
and
maybe
doesn't.
D
Yep
agree,
I
agree,
I
mean
so
morgan
again.
Just
I'm
sorry.
I
I
mean
I'll
read
through
the
report
that
sergey
just
shared,
but
I
just
had
a
question:
will
flowmel
come
with
a
couple
of
maintainers
that
splunk
is
allocating
yeah
to
working
on
this.
G
G
G
B
Think
I
know
that
that
certainly
jana
is
is
very
involved
in
the
bpf
stuff.
Now
at
amazon,
so
it'd
be
great
to
get
her
thoughts
too.
D
Yep
yep
absolutely
and
she
has
been
involved
on
our
end
in
on
both
evaluations.
So
yeah,
you
know
we'll
definitely
get
her
more
involved.
H
Which
is
also
like,
I
feel
like
when
these
things
join
their
needs.
It's
like
a
sourdough.
There
needs
to
be
like
a
starter.
For
example,
when
the
the
java
agent
stuff
first
kicked
off
there.
There
was
just
no
one
involved
in
that
who
was
really
involved
in
open
telemetry,
and
it
took
some
amount
of
some
of
us
showing
up
to
those
meetings
and
waving
our
hands
to
make
sure.
D
Yeah,
so
an
update
as
of
this
morning
is
that
I
spoke
with
elena,
and
I
think
that
time
we
are
settling
in
on
is
monday
morning
next
week,
for
richard
is
back
at
that
point
just
so,
we
should
be
I'll,
be
coordinating
with
her
to
send
out
and
invite
for.
G
D
D
D
H
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
raise
this
a
bit
higher
level,
so
this
is
something
austin
at
lightstep
is
trying
to
kind
of
hold
down
and
make
happen.
But
the
thing
is
just
after
having
multiple
years
of
experience
doing
collocated
events
at
kubecon,
including
the
community
day
last
year.
H
It
was
just
a
feeling
like
what
we
would
want
to
do
with
a
community
day
is
a
bit
different
than
what
they
offer
for
a
co-located
event,
namely
it's
very
expensive
and
more
and
more.
They
want
the
format
to
be
kind
of
classroom
style
thing
with
speakers,
and
the
thing
we
want
to
do
is
just
more
like
have
something
that's
ideally
free
to
attend,
where
the
hotel
community
can
just
like
get
together
and
hang
out
with
each
other,
and
maybe
you
know,
have
breakout
sessions
and
things
like
that.
G
H
H
They
would
naturally
want
it
to
be
require
kubecon
pass,
at
least
in
the
past
when
we've
talked
to
them
about
this
stuff.
If,
but
it
would
be
great
if
they
would
be
willing
to
help
us
co-promote
it,
and
all
of
that
we
just
feel
like
from
a
standpoint
of
like
securing
the
space
and
any
amount
of
av
gear
we
would
need.
We
would
probably
have
to
do
that
and
fund
that
ourselves.
Yeah
we'd,
be
like
our
guests.
We
have.
G
D
I
I
H
Just
because,
like
the
pandemic
is
not
like
fleet
over,
so
I
I
kind
of
feel
like.
If
we
get
on
it,
we
we
should
hopefully
be
able
to
find
a
venue
that
could
could
hold
600
people
in
a
room
or
something
like
that
anyways.
I
wanted
to
raise
it
here
as
we'll
be
poking
around
for
one
just
interested
in
funding
it.
Ideally,
we
can
do
this
fairly
cheap
to
the
point
that
that
just
core
hotel
community
core
hotel
companies
could
help
just
foot
the
bill
for
it.
D
Are
you
going
to
draft
a
one-page
proposal.
H
Yes,
yeah:
we've
got
one
of
those
cooking
right
now,
so
we'll
be
we'll
be
sending
that
out
soon,
but
we're
waiting
to
hear
back
from
the
cncf
right
now
just
their
first
thoughts
about
it.
But
we
know
their
stance
on
it
and
then.