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C
B
A
And
we
can
do
it
really
briefly,
because
it's
just
a
yeah,
so
I
Morgan
is
not
here,
but
so
I
want
to
where
this
started
is
a
couple
I
think
Morgan's
approach
to
kubecon
by
someone
representing
a
company
called
scarf,
which
is
a
open
source
or
is
a
usage
analytics
project
for
open
source
projects.
Linker
D
uses
it
a
few
other
cncf
projects
use
it
so
I
talked
to
them
and
did
a
saw
demo.
Basically,
what
it
is
is
you
can
add
a
tracking
pixel
to
your
website
and
register
dependencies
through
their
portal.
A
You
would
have
to
change
like
the
URL,
you
know.
So,
for
example,
if
you
have
like
The
Collector
right
people,
download,
The
Collector
from
Docker
Hub,
you
would
create
a
new
URL
for
The
Collector
download
and
then,
as
people
do
Docker
pull
of
that
URL,
then
they
would
collect
insights
about
that.
They
could
then
combine
those
with
insights
about,
like
you
know,
people
on
the
docs
people
on
the
website
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
give
you
reports
about
like
who
is
using.
You
know
what
companies
are
downloading
The
Collector,
what
web
pages?
A
What
docs
pages
are
people
on
look
at
things
like
funnels
of,
like
going
from?
You
know,
collector
docs
into
downloading
The,
Collector,
so
on
and
so
forth.
So.
A
According
to
them,
yes,
that
they
according
to
them,
they
are,
they
handle
gdpr
compliance
and
other
stuff
yeah,
so
I
I
was
I
talked
to
one
of
the
guys
over
at
buoyant
who
works
on
this
with
Linker
D.
Obviously,
it's
slightly
different
circumstances
because,
that's
you
know
buoyant,
is
sort
of
the
sole
commercial
Force
involved
in
Linker
d.
A
They
what
they
did
to
kind
of
mask
that
it
was
this
sort
of
third
party
doing
the
usage
analytics.
They
created
like
Alias
domain
aliases,
something
that
was
controlled
by
them
and
then
had
that
point
to
the
scarf
stuff.
So
there
was
less
of
a
like:
hey
there's
this
third
party
in
the
way,
but
the
data
itself
is
anonymized
and
hashed,
and
you
know
not
personally
identifying.
A
A
My
request
to
the
GC
as
it
stands
right
now
is
based
on
that.
Does
this
sound
like?
Is
that
sort
of
again
the
vibe
that
this
is
kind
of
a
no-go
that
this
is
something
we're
not
comfortable
with,
because
that's
the
case
then
like
we'll
just
drop
it
because
there's
no.
Otherwise
it
would
just
be
looking
at
website
analytics,
which
we
get
through
Google
analytics
today.
B
B
You
know
sort
of
man
in
the
middling
yourself
like
this
is
a
little
bit,
especially
through
a
third
party,
that
we
don't
control.
I,
guess
you
could
make
it
opt-in,
you
could
have
in
the
documentation
two
links,
you
could
say:
here's
the
docker
Hub
link
and
here's
the
link.
If
you
want
to
opt
in
to
usage
Analytics
or
do
they
have
like
less
invasive
options
that
don't
require
that.
A
So,
for
example,
if
we
wanted
to
have
an
install
script
and
the
install
script
would
be
the
thing
that
reported
back
like
hey.
This
was
downloaded
right,
but
if
you
want,
but
your
options
are
either
some
sort
of
like
code
level
integration
through
a
script,
you
know
or
a
runtime,
where
it's
literally
phoning
home.
You
know
which
you
could
put
an
opt-in,
opt
out
thing
on.
That's
not
you
know
unheard
of,
but.
A
Yeah,
there's
always
some
level
of
like
tracking.
That
has
to
happen
where
data
is
being
sent
to
this
third
party,
and
this
is
something
that
I
know
they're
also
talking
to
the
cncf,
we're
talking
to
the
Linux
Foundation
about
integrating
this
stuff
in
making
this
available
to
projects
through
LFX.
So.
A
A
A
I
was
able
to
talk
to
someone
over
at
Linker
that
that
uses
it
for
Linker
D,
and
he
was
very
complimentary
of
it
and
said
they
they
have
gotten
a
you
know,
obviously,
with
a
caveat
that
buoyant
is
looking
at
this
from
their
perspective
of
like
where
the
soul
kind
of
controller
of
this,
they
found
it
very
useful
to
understand
you.
C
E
Yeah
I'm,
so
I'm
not
a
little
bit
concerned
about
this
I'm
highly
concerned
about
you
know.
E
Tracking
package
is
your
downloads
download
usage
by
changing
the
URLs
that
end
users
are
consuming,
not
I'm,
even
against
a
a
an
up
team
that
that
Daniel
mentioned,
because
even
if
we
tell
users,
so
we
would
be
glad
if
you,
if
you
use
this
tracker,
people
still
go
there
and
get
tracked
and
and
if
that
vendor
is
is
compromised,
then
people
are
gonna
download
software
that
they
believe
are
coming
from
us,
which
is
not
coming
from
us.
So
I'm,
totally
against
Docker
pulls
with
custom
URLs.
E
So
I'm,
okay
in
having
that
as
part
of
the
website,
but
as
I
said
I
mean
for
a
website.
There's
Google
analytics
ready
now
what
we,
if
we
are
looking
for
this
kind
of
data,
if
it
is
important
to
us,
then
we
might
consider
having
a
a
custom,
Docker
or
container
repository
deployed
somewhere
like
Quay
or
something
I
know
that
way.
It
provides
some
Analytics
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
other
container
registry
Solutions
out
there.
D
G
Oh
and
yeah,
it's
all
good,
am
I
audible
by
the
way
I'm
in
transit
right.
G
Yeah
I
mean
I
was
I
I
think
my
level
of
concern
is
maybe
slightly
below
geracy's,
but
I
was
going
to
be
a
no
on
this
as
well
for
but
the
point
you're
making
dressy
around
the
security
aspect
is
kind
of
another
hand
on
scale.
I
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
if,
if
we
were
going
to
make
a
tough
trade-off
to
get
analytics
on
something,
this
isn't
even
exactly
the
thing
I
would
want
just
for
what
it's
worth
like.
G
If,
if
I
could,
if
I
could
make
a
tough
call
to
get
analytics
on
something
for
me,
it
would
be
like
time
to
value
or
level
of
effort
and
instrumenting
with
hotel,
which
you
know
you
could
do
from
like
a
product
standpoint.
If
we
were
if
this
is
a
totally
closed,
Source
ecosystem
and
we
controlled
and
we
had
Telemetry,
we
could
measure
that
right,
like
I,
would
be
very
interested
in
measuring
that
and
optimizing
it
even
if
it
was
opt-in
or
something
yeah,
but
I
think
we
have
pretty
good
evidence
at
this
point.
G
That
otel
has
a
lot
of
P
people
are
trying
to
adopt
it
right.
So
it's
I
mean
it
would
be
nice
to
know
like
which
end
users
are
using
it,
but
I
I
mean
based
on
my
own
conversations.
I,
basically
can't
go
into
a
big
Enterprise.
That's
not
considering
hotel
at
this
point,
so
it's
not
even
it's
just
going
to
quantify
something
we
already
know
qualitatively.
So
it's
it's
all
the
value
of
this
for
the
project.
I
think
is
sort
of
nominal
at
the
stage
that
we're
at
that
this
is
my
my
two
cents
yeah.
H
I'm
just
saying
like
where
this,
when
this
was
first
broached
like
the
value,
was
interesting.
I
like
I,
agree
with
Ben
that
that
this
isn't
the
most
interesting
the
most
useful
metric.
It's
still,
you
know
nice
to
quantify.
My
impression
originally
was
that
they
would
pull
this
data
out
of
I,
don't
know
existing
yeah
Docker
Hub
works,
but
like
existing
apis
or
logs.
A
Don't
know
yeah
yeah,
I
I
feel
like
the
the
level
of
integration
that
would
require
to
kind
of
make
it
transparent
as
it
were,
or
at
least
less
or
the
little
effort.
We
would
need
as
a
project
to
integrate
user
Telemetry
into
the
SDK
or
The
Collector
or
anything
would
be
pretty
high
to
do
in
a
way
that
is
both
privacy.
Preserving
and
also
it
opens
us
up
to
I.
Think
a
lot
of
pretty
valid
questions
about
data.
H
D
D
And
I
mean
I
would
again
reiterate
and
support
what
urasi,
Ben
and
Morgan
call
that,
because
I
really
see
very
limited
value
in
this.
You
know
in
this
approach
and
and
believe
me
I
mean
having
looked
at
this
in
the
past.
You
know
when
I
released
ADOT.
D
A
Okay,
well
I'll
we'll
say:
that's
a
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
vote
on
it
or
anything.
I
think
that's
a
pretty
hard!
No
on
that
so
I'll.
Let
them
know.
F
A
Isn't
you
know
I'm,
not
gonna
I'll?
Let
him
know
why.
G
Right
yeah,
there
isn't
a
recorded
meeting
too,
so
we
could
just.
A
H
A
Yeah
so
On
a
related
note
about
analytics
and
stuff
like
that,
but
not
talking
about
the
packages
themselves.
I
am
also
looking
at
tooling
that
we
can
use
to
help
us
kind
of
understand,
Community
contributors
and
especially
try
to
one
of
the
something
that
came
up
last
year
was
there
are
people
that
are,
you
know,
involved
in
the
open,
summary
Community
or
like
asking
questions
or
doing
work
that
is
not
really
being
captured
through
Dev
stats
and
through
sort
of
the
standard
channels
of
you
know.
A
Making
GitHub
Comm
commits
so
I'm
evaluating
a
couple
things
right
now
that,
hopefully,
we'll
I'll
have
more
to
say,
probably
in
March
but
stuff
like
orbit
or
common
room
that
can
just
use
public
data
to
help
us
understand
like
where
are
people
contributing?
A
Where
are
people
asking
questions
and
figuring
out
how
we
can
make
that
data
available
to
sort
of
the
GCS
the
maintainers
in
a
way
to
help
them
understand
their
contributor
community,
especially
around
things
like
again
helping
to
improve
responsiveness
of
you
know,
people
that
want
to
treat
help
triage
or
otherwise
like
be
a
part
of
the
community,
without
necessarily
being
like.
A
You
know
code
first
contributors
or
sentiment
of
like
people
asking
questions
on
Twitter,
making
sure
that
there's
or
Mastodon
or
whatever
I
guess
making
sure
that
those
are
getting
answered
and
picked
up,
and
hopefully
this
would
also
be
a
way
that
we
could
help
recognize
people
in
the
community
for
their
contributions
right
right
now,
there's
sort
of
limited
opportunities
for
us
to
at
a
project,
governance
level,
understand
like
impact,
and
so
hopefully
something
like
this
would
give
us
a
framework
for
that.
A
So
we'll
talk
about
that
in
March,
more
detail,
but
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
all
know.
A
D
All
I
got
thanks
awesome
to
ask
your
other
question.
F
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
I'm
very
interested
in
the
analytics
discussion.
If
anybody
and
we
are
in
our
job
agent,
distro
we're
capturing
some,
you
know
some
things
that
we
thought
would
be
interesting
like
which
instrumentations
our
customers
are
using,
and
so
I
would
love
to
have
that
conversation
at
the
hotel
level.
A
My
dmu
trash
because
I
that's
I'd,
be
interested
in
seeing
how
we
can
combine
some
of
these
things.
Awesome.
D
Cool
so
I
just
had
a
quick
question
about
the
off-site.
Did
we
finalize
the
dates
you're
asking?
Are
we
Final
on
the
new
dates.
C
E
Right,
yes,
so
it
is
a
Tuesday
and
Wednesday
and
then
it's
going
to
start
somebody
Thursday
I
think
it
is
what
we
discussed
last
week.
So
the
dates
last.
H
D
D
But
did
we
also
were
we
going
to
work
towards
the
items
and
topics
in
subsequent
meetings?
That
was
because
we
do
have
a
talk
and
and
Ben
has
also
shared
a
matrix
of
some
of
the
questions,
and
you
know
areas.
We've
looked
at
in
the
past,
I'm
just
curious.
How
we're
how
we're
getting
organized.
B
C
B
C
B
A
bunch
of
session
topic
ideas
at
the
bottom
and
I
thought
that
we
could,
you
know,
sort
of
choose,
maybe
six
of
them,
maybe
more
but
I,
don't
know
if
we
could
do
more
than
about
three
sessions
per
day
and
assign
sort
of
a
facilitator
to
plan
and
Lead
discussion.
B
So
jurassi
has
already
sort
of
making
a
comment
on
here
that
he
may
want
to
leave
the
election.
One
I
put
more
than
six
ideas
down
here,
so
we
probably
don't
have
time
to
do
all
of
them.
B
I
think
we
should
vote
on,
which
ones
are
important,
or
maybe
it's
obvious
to
people
which
ones
are
important,
I
don't
know,
or
some
of
them
could
possibly
be
combined,
but
yeah
I
I
think
that
we
should
get
a
schedule
soon,
if
possible,
so
that
TC
members
in
particular
can
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
attend.
D
Can
I
add
some
more
topics?
Daniel
I
think
they'll
be
merged,
as
you
said,
because
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
also
discuss
is
what
is
what's
up
coming
in
future.
So
maybe
that
goes
into
Road
mapping,
or
maybe
that
goes
into
you
know
just
attaching
Futures
to
the
Past
yeah.
B
I
I
think,
what's
coming
up
in
the
future
is,
is
definitely
something
that
we
should
talk
about.
I
think
it's
probably
the
most
important
topic,
given
the
lack
of
TC
members
that
have
committed
to
coming
I
think
we
want
to
focus
on
things
that
the
GC
can
directly
affect,
so
technical
roadmap
is
probably
out
of
scope.
I
know
that
that's.
D
That
we
could
ask
the
TC
to
give
us
an
update
on
the
on
the
technical
state
of
the
different
components
of
the
project
or
maybe
do
a
call
out
to
the
maintainers
in
general.
I.
B
Mean
we
could
always
ask
them
to
there's
no
real
I,
think
there's
no
real
Clarity
on
whether
the
TC
reports
to
the
GC
or
the
or
vice
versa.
That
may
be
one
of
the
problems
that
we
want
to
talk
about.
G
I
think
it
is
actually
sort
of
clear
I
mean
not
that
it's
ever
been
employed,
but
I
believe
the
GC
is
theoretically
in
charge
of
making
decisions
about
things
like
this,
but
I
I
was
going
to
say
like
if
we
had
one
topic
to
discuss,
I
think
it's
the
structure
of
the
project.
It's
like.
D
G
D
G
More
yeah
I
mean
I
was
going
to
say
the
theoretical
thing.
With
that
spreadsheet
I
made
and
I
apologies
for
being
incredibly
non-proactive
about.
It
would
be
that
the
next
step
would
be
to
have
people
vote.
So
if,
if
that's
a
suitable
set
of
topics
to
choose
from,
we
can
just
move
to
the
next
phase
where
we
each
allocate,
you
know
1.0
worth
of
voting
to
whatever
rows
we
want
and
then
it
will
just
sort
of
rank
things.
Do
you
want
us
to
do
that?
G
B
So
I
think
your
list
was
more
like
it
probably
doesn't
cover
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
in
this.
This
session
topic
ideas
list
like
that
there
it's
more
granular
I
would
say
where,
like
a
bunch
of
those
topics,
could
probably
fit
into
one
session
topic,
I
do
view
them
as
a
little
bit.
Different
I
did
put
12-month
retrospective
as
one
topic.
F
G
Not
this
can
be
a
yes
and
thing,
I,
maybe
I'll
say
independent.
Let's,
let's
do
the
voting,
it's
not
hard.
It
should
really
not
be
hard
at
all
for
people
just
go
in
and
throw
the
thing
in
there.
So
I
don't
know,
let's
allocate
our
weights
to
these
things
and
then
maybe
that
will
be
part
of
the
agenda
for
the
thing
in
March.
Okay,.
B
B
E
So
I'm
sorry,
so
we're
gonna
vote
on
this
spreadsheet.
But
how
about
the
themes
that
the
social
topic
idea
is
that
then
gave
like
those
the
things
that
we're
voting
on.
G
I
put
it
in
the
zoom
chat.
It's
also
in
the
governance
committee
notes,
yeah.
E
Right
and
what
would
what
do
we
do
with
that
with
this
I.
G
G
G
Yeah
I
was
I
was
suggesting
that
we
either
we
should
abandon
the
spreadsheet,
which
is
fine
or
we
should
use
it.
The
point
of
it
was
to
like
make
this
list
and
then
rank
them
for
discussion,
and
if
we
have
this
yeah,
it
was
just
calling
audible,
So.
D
B
B
D
B
Do
this
vote
and
you
know,
try
to
get
it.
You
know
by
the
end
of
this
week
and
then
next
week
try
to
map
the
output
of
that
onto
session
topic
ideas.
If
anyone
has
additional
session
topic,
ideas
feel
free
to
add
them,
and
next
week
we
will
choose
six
or
eight
of
them
to
actually
schedule
for
the
on-site.
D
A
A
Okay,
we
have
a
TI-83
is
our
figuring
out,
you
know
prices,
it's.
A
D
D
Cool
I
think
we're
almost
that
time
anything
else
the
cfp
is
released,
so
I
think.
A
Yeah,
can
you
mention
that,
yes,
I?
Thank
you
for
reminding
me
the
website
and
cfp
for
observability
day
Europe
is
up
we'll
have
more
to
say
about
the
program
committee
after
the
fifth
of
March
5th
of
February
sorry
months,
I
would
highly
encourage
one
thing
that
I'm
trying
to
push
for
in
this
is
that
we
are
very
would
like
to
focus
it
a
lot
on
end
use
for
talks.