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A
A
A
A
B
The
situation
was
asked
Carlos
to
pursue
that
with
the
TC
and
talk
to
the
members
there
excuse
me.
We.
A
B
Time
you
know
I
understand:
okay
Carlos.
Regarding
the
assessment
of
having
this
meeting
rescheduled,
you
were
going
to
have
an
additional
discussion
right.
C
Yeah
we
did,
we
didn't
have
it
last
time
there
were
other
things
to
his
calls.
One
one
thing
that
I
think
Josh
Stewart
had
mentioned
is
that
we
could
have
one
like
one
week
this
time,
one
week
a
different
time.
C
B
I
am
fine
with
alternating,
if
that
makes
sense
for
again
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
it's
up
to
you,
you
and
the
TC
members
right
and.
C
A
A
Because
it's
too
late
for
him
right,
so
we
already
agree
that
we
shouldn't
use
any
Friday
time.
But
let's
just
take
another
day.
The
the
next
question
is
like:
do
we
pick
a
morning
time
so
I'm
in
control
or
which
will
take
an
afternoon
times?
The
children
have
other
folks
who
join.
Then
the
decision
is
we'll
just
use
a
pole
when
people
vote
and
pick
the
one
that
fits
most
of
you
know
so,
I
wonder
like
if
that
already
out,
because
I
haven't
seen
it.
B
C
With
everybody-
and
they
didn't
come
so
I,
don't
know
like
that's
what
I
was
thinking
of
like
just
having
some
probably
random
time
and
like
that
works
for
people
in
the
states
and
see
how
it
goes.
You
know,
or
you
have
the
doodle
if
you
want
I,
can
create
a
doodle
right
now
and
go
with
it,
for
what
is
worth
I
could
be
fine,
keeping
this
one
as
working
hours
or
something
like
that.
So
I
can
no
never
mind.
I.
Remember
that
you
said
that
Army
10
is
is
too
late
for
him
anyway.
C
A
B
C
C
C
So
the
advantage
of
having
a
to
not
instead
of
alternating
having
two,
even
if
it's
just
working
hours
is
we
can
choose
a
time.
We
don't
have
limitations
or
like
we
can
just
choose
one.
That
was
for
him
and
he
and
me
and
that's
it
and
then
you
guys
can
choose
one
that
works
for
people
at
the
states
and
it
can
be
later.
You
know
you
don't
have
to
restrict
yourself
to
the.
A
C
C
Yeah,
okay,
so
I
suggest
we
do
that.
Then,
in
that
case,
so
let's
create
a
doodle,
so
people
in
the
states
can
decide
and
I
will
talk
to
Armin
and
then
we
will
come
up
with
a
weekly
times.
You
know
in
case
somebody
in
case
somebody
else
wants
to
join,
welcome
or
in
case
like,
for
example,
you
rally
you
come
to
Europe
for
one
month
or
whatever
you
can
join
the
one
instead,
okay,
so
let's
do
that.
So,
let's
create
a
Google,
so
we
will
have
to.
C
I
just
wrote
the
Army,
but
of
course
he
forgot
that
he's
actually
out
already
now
so
yeah
I
will
I
will
wait
for
him
to
answer
and
then
I
will.
Let
you
know
just
so
since
we're
in
the
loop
they
do
I
can
create
as
well.
Okay,.
B
All
right,
all
right
that
sounds
good
and
just
FYI
I
won't
be
here
next
week,
so
whatever
you
guys
decide
do
it
and
when
I
get
back
I'll
I'll
just
yeah
get
engaged
again.
C
Okay,
yeah
by
the
way
Jim
MCD
summarizing,
is
that
we
want
to
have
a
pair
of
triage
sessions
so
the
way
because
we
want
to
work-
we
don't
have
you
know
the
problem
is
the
lack
of
overlapping
time,
so
we
will
have
two.
So
I
will
be
sending
you
a
doodle,
so
you
can
vote
for
a
session
only
like
for
a
tiaging
sessions
once
a
week,
but
only
for
people
in
the
States.
D
B
Here
all
right:
let's
go
ahead
and
take
a
look
at
Planet
2773.
C
B
All
right,
so
this
is
one
where
we're
just
saying
yeah,
so
it's
accepted,
but
it
needs
more
information
or
something
like
that.
A
A
I
I
feel
bad
for
our
Tuesday
morning
meeting
on
the
side
where
we
give
the
guy
within
like
5pr
signal
this
seems
to
be
nice
to
have,
although
we
don't
have
a
good
promise,
but
you
can
just
keep
sending
NPR
what's
in
the
office.
Is
it
is
an
another
3pr
this
morning
and
I?
Look
at
that.
It
seems
like
I
I
was
the
one
who's
responding
to
those
and
I
decided?
Okay,
that's
just
too
many
for
me,
like
I
will
stop
and
my
God's
feeling
is.
A
I
I
feel
really
bad
about
it.
But
it's
kind
of
stuck
I
mean
I,
can't
be
a
bad
guy.
Trying
to
tell
him
just
don't,
send
those
PR
and
join
the
upcoming
meeting
from
John
Flores
just
figure
out
the
fundamental
issues,
but
it
seems
hard
because
I
I've
been
playing
like
role
without
others.
Supporting
me.
B
So
it's
a
session
with
you've
pointed
him
to
Joshua
session.
Do
you
know
if
he's
tried
to
go
there.
A
He
mentioned
he's
willing
to
join,
but
meanwhile,
like
he
doesn't
believe
this
has
to
be
blocked,
so
I
mean
here:
I
can
totally
be
a
nice
person
and
say:
okay,
this
is
a
proof
and
when
he's
in
the
piano
just
ignore
I'm,
not
sure
who
else
will
reveal
the
TR
and
I
feel
he
will
end
up
with
20pr's
blocked
there.
Nobody
revealed
nobody
comment
and
he'll
just
get
pissed
off
and
I
feel.
This
is
bad
for
the
community,
so
I
feel
there's
something
we
should
do,
but
if
we
cannot,
then
it
is
what
it
is.
A
A
C
Yeah,
do
you
have
any
opinion
about
this
specific
metric.
D
I
I
I
also
recognize
there's
this
like
gargantuan
project
that
we
keep
not
tackling.
Therefore,
we
keep
getting
like
bits
and
pieces
dripping
off
of
it
essentially
like
this
is
so
important
that,
like
one
person
has
one
problem
to
solve,
and
so
like
we're
getting
this
like
trickle
of
of
of
stuff
right
I
also
agree
that,
like
there's
some
greater
good
here,
that
we
should
figure
out,
I
also
fear
that
we're
in
a
place
where
different,
metrics
vendors
have
different
realities.
D
And
so
you
know
adding
a
label
here
and
there
on
paper
and
the
data
model
just
works
out,
but
it
causes
as
Josh
notices
like
cardinality
explosions,
as
well
as
as
well
as
some
sort
of
like
incompatibility
that
users
will
face
if
it's
a
Prometheus,
especially
and
I,
think
that
fear,
there's
fear
and
uncertainty,
and
it's
just
like
causes
everything
to
stop
and
I
guess.
This
is
another
area
where
Hotel
just
needs
to
put
in
a
big
effort.
It
requires
people
to
sit
down
and
spend
a
day.
Thinking
about
it.
D
Making
a
proposal
to
understand
what's
wrong.
I've
always
believed
that
the
semantic
conventions
should
apply
to
both
tracing
metrics
equally,
but
what
I
said
earlier
is
why
it
can't
happen
very
easily
so
yeah
I
agree.
This
is
hard
I
personally
prioritizing
I,
just
try
and
I
try
and
think
I
just
want
to
get
metrics
1.0
before
I.
Have
this
new
mountain
to
climb?
That's
where
I
am.
C
B
D
D
D
C
So
in,
in
that
case,
I
I
could
say
see
if
we
don't
want
to
at
least
to
affect
in
a
bad
way.
The
the
things
we
are
discussing
in
the
spec
calls
on
Tuesdays
hvgs.
We
actually
just
block,
at
least
for
now
on
George
surets.
D
A
Yeah
I
I
feel
this
probably
can't
be
addressed
in
the
separate
meeting
series
that
the
Joshua
issue
will
be
hosting
because
wait
like
I
expect
the
semantic
convention
to
be
a
dedicated
group,
and
we
we
need
to
set
some
framing
like
because
this
could
be
subjective.
Someone
else
could
say
this
is
important
for
us,
make
it
like
fun
by
default
and
someone
will
say:
okay,
this
should
be
out
here.
A
C
I
think
that
putting
other
DMs
it's
a
kind
of
way
to
unblock
them
for
now
right
here
all
day,
so
I
wonder
by
the
way
Germany
you're
on
muted,
but
it's
fine,
just
yeah
I,
don't
know
like
20
minutes
at
the
end
would
be
good.
So
it's
like
a
best
effort
thing
like
if
we
have
time
we'll
discuss
that.
If
not
well
so
sorry,
you
know
what
what
let's
book,
just
through
it
so
yeah.
A
People
are
saying:
hey
this
issue
with
markets
needs
more
info
and
I
talked
to
the
site
meeting
against
people.
People
agree
that
we
shouldn't
be
blocked.
So
now
it's
in
the
pr
really
would
you
review,
who
approved,
who
approved
that
that
he
should
send
a
PR
should
reveal
that
yeah.
That's
my
position.
I
I
have
similar
position
with
Jim
mCP
that
I
won't
manage
to
be
1.0.
C
Yeah,
correct,
okay,
so
so
I
suggest
that
so
we
don't
lose
time
for
now.
We
try
to
use
the
last
20
minutes
of
the
call
on
Tuesdays
for
discussing
semantic
conventions
for
the
timing,
but
it's
like
like
a
best
effort
to
you
like.
If
we
have
time
we
will,
we
will
use
the
last
20
minutes
to
discolors.
If
not
well,
sorry,
you
know
there's
Josh
Stewart's
meeting
and
please
discuss
it.
There,
yeah,
okay,.
B
Okay,
all
right,
so
that's
another
issue,
then
in
terms
of
of
having
a
discussions
and
stagnating.
If
we
point
him
after
Josh's
meeting
the
tech
meeting
is
not
happening
yet
more
regularly,
then
that's
you
know
that's
going
to
be
demotivating.
Yep.
B
All
right,
but
for
this
particular
item,
should
we
say
it's:
should
we
have
a
label
on
this
in
terms
of
triage
accepted
or
how
do
we
want
to
deal
with
this
I.
B
D
Riley
has
pointed
out
some
reasonable
objections
to
final
stabilization.
It
looks
like
it
needs
a
little
work,
maybe
the
name.
D
Maybe
we
have
to
figure
out
how
to
set
zero
threshold,
but
Jack's
right,
there's
a
bunch
of
backwards,
compatible
stuff
that
we
perhaps
see
coming
and
I
felt
like
I,
just
exhausted
myself
yesterday
talking
about
the
same
topic
with
go,
Sig
I,
don't
know
yes,.
A
B
B
D
B
A
Very
good
question:
like
people
talk
about
merge
and
that
merge
is
very
very:
do
they
want
us
to
eventually
get
rid
of
elastic
common
schema
and
there's
only
open
time
system
and
Convention,
or
they
will
90
percent
online,
so
open
column.
She
will
try
to
steal
as
much
as
possible
from
ECS
and
after
that
they
will
just
depart
and
do
whatever
they
have
in
the
future
without
the
joint
effort.
So
these
are
unclear
and
and
we're
still
blocked
by
them
both
have.
C
A
C
C
A
I
I
feel
they
might
need
some
PC
help.
I
I
would
want
to
put
a
strong
position
there,
but
I
I
figure.
We
probably
need
to
discuss
that
in
a
teaching
me
if
you
can
actually
plan
to
talk
about
that
in
the
next
week.
This
image
I
think
we
Rachel
gave
elastic
some
pressure
by
saying
we
think
eventually,
there's
only
once
many
competition,
it's
open
climate.
A
We
should
absorb
PCS
and
we
need
to
develop
a
way
to
eventually
absorb
like
build
a
roadmap
similar
like
open,
sensors
versus
open
telemetry,
but
I
I
guess
you
guys
might
have
different
opinions,
so
so
I
I
don't
want
just
to
jump
out
and
put
something
but
leave
her.
Another
teaching
member
disagree
that
that
makes
us
look
bad,
so
yeah.
We
should
have
an
internal
discussion.
First
yeah.
B
All
right
so
you're,
okay,
with
this
comment
here,
let's
leave
it
there
I.
C
D
This
is
like
a
repeat
of
a
of
a
age-old
issue:
it
is
one
that
affects
spans
and
logs
yeah,
as
it
says
my
opinion
pushed
back
on
this
years
ago,
because
I
don't
think
it's
worth
the
trouble
to
specify
this.
Every
language
has
its
own
dedicated
Syntax
for
stacks
and
I,
believe
we
should
log
them
the
way
they
come
out
of
the
language.
In
other
words,
we
shouldn't
parse
them
and
structure
them.
D
The
downstream
consumer
should
parse
them
and
structure
them.
They're
going
to
have
to
recognize
Java
stock
Trace
looks
different
than
a
python
python.
Stock
Trace
looks
different
than
an
erlang
stock
trace
and
all
the
other
stock
traces
part.
The
semantic
convention
should
be
for
how
to
how
to
parse
a
stack
Trace
not
for
how
to
structure
a
stack
Trace.
In
my
opinion,
that's
just
one
opinion.
D
I
mean
I
literally
worked
in
this
field
for
years
quite
years
before
White
staff,
so
I
understand
what's
happening
here.
It's
just
that
the
cost
benefit
of
what
they're
asking
for
doesn't
work
out
for
me
and
I
as
open
television
matures
that
cost
benefit
may
change
and
the
benefit
May
grow.
The
cost
is
still
pretty
high.
D
I
was
against
this
years
ago
because
it
was
asking
for
so
much
when
we
were
incomplete
and
unstable
and
stuff.
Maybe
now
it
deserves
more
attention
but
concerned
about
cost
as
well
and.
C
A
I
I'm
I'm
in
the
same
spot
as
MIT
I
I
own
many
of
the
state
treatments
in
Microsoft.
Some
of
them
have
been
existing
for
20
years
and
and
in
general.
What
I
learned
from
the
history
is
trying
to
Define
this
in
a
highly
structured
thing
across
all
the
languages
and
runtime,
and
all
different
versions
of
distribution
of
operating
system
is
a
nightmare
until
eventually
will
just
give
up
and
use
a
plan
stream
and
do
all
the
parsing
and
massaging
and.
D
C
A
D
B
B
A
A
B
I
mean
part
of
the
first
is
you're
still
asking
them
to
provide
further
justifications.
This
is
going
to
be
a
value
right
and
right
now
your
position
and
Josh
you're
saying
you
don't
think
this
is
a
as
of
value
for
for
the
community,
so
they
need
to
substantiate
a
little
bit
more
so
that
either
convince
you
or
convince
other
members
in
the
community
that
this
is
a
worthwhile
activity.