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A
All
right,
we
are
live
on
youtube.
According
to
my
zoom
client.
Welcome
to
the
tuesday
june
15
version
of
the
standards
working
group
meeting.
We've
got
a
couple
folks
out
today
for
vacation,
because
it's
that
time
of
year,
woohoo
hope
you're
all
taking
vacation
this
summer,
because
those
are
nice
to
have.
A
A
I
don't
have
any
more
news
about
the
conference
because
it's
over,
so
I
guess
the
other
announcement
is.
If
you
missed
it,
you
can
go
watch
the
talks
on
youtube
and
one
of
them
his
name
was
mark
and
the
talk
was
about
pwas
and
he
he
raps.
He
wraps
his
talk
and
it
is
really
good.
So
you
could
watch
that
after
you're
done
watching
this.
You
should
definitely
because
it
was.
A
Yes,
so
those
are
the
two
announcements
I
have
rap
about
it
at
pwa
and
and
marketing
com
meeting:
okay,
that's
not
very
exciting,
but
still.
A
Right
it
is,
it
was
definitely
next
week
we
have
our
usual
tuesday
meetings,
but
yeah
all
right
cool
right.
These
notes,
oh
and
I
guess
the
other
announcement
is
that
jory
finally
updated
the
notes,
so
there's
a
couple
of
pull
requests
for
notes
to
review.
If
you
don't
mind
taking
a
second
to
plus
one
those.
Let
me
promote
my
champ
here.
A
Come
on
there
we
go
cool
all
right.
Our
first
topic
for
today
is
mike
samuels,
mike
samuels,
requesting
10
minutes
to
discuss
api
translation
effort.
This
is
issue
144.
A
C
C
C
So,
rather
than
try
and
figure
out
how
to
do
this
in
full
screen,
which
is
definitely
beyond
my
meager,
you
know
technical
abilities,
I'll
just
show
it
as
it
is.
So.
Here's
a
screenshot
of
vs
code
that
just
kind
of
set
up
and
motivate
the
discussion
you
can
see
there
is
a
definition
of
a
type
you
know
enum
month
type
day
after
each
of
the
identifiers.
C
There
is
a
translation
to
spanish.
So
after
month,
there's
mace
after
day,
there's
dia,
you
can
see
down
towards
the
bottom
kant's
d
colon
day
equals
and
somebody
is,
is
creating
an
object.
Literal
and
they've
started
typing
year.
They've
started
typing
y,
they
get
the
autocomplete
for
year
and
it
also
shows
anyo
there,
and
so
the
idea
here
is
that
if
we
have
developers
who
maybe
they
know
a
little
bit
of
english,
but
their
primary
language
is
something
else.
C
They're
pretty
fluent
in
english,
but
they've
got
to
interact
with
apis
written
by
fluent
native
english
speakers
all
the
time,
and
we
could
just
make
things
a
little
bit
easier
for
them
by
showing
translations
in
line,
and
you
know
we
would
like
those
translations
to
be
high
quality
so
that
they
don't
lead
people
down
kind
of
rabbit
holes
so
rather
than
just
taking
identifiers
and
throwing
them
into
google
translate.
C
I
think
we
can
do
better
and
so
yeah.
We
want
to
help
pre-english
fluent
developers
navigate
english-centric
apis.
You
know
for
some
values
of
english.
C
There
are
other
language
communities,
besides
english
speakers
who
have
a
lot
of
developers
and
they're
also
producing
apis.
So,
for
example,
written
chinese
comes
to
mind,
and
you
know
this
has
been
a
problem
for
a
long
time.
You
know
how
do
we
help
pre-fluent
people
come
into
the
larger
community
of
software
developers
and
before
now
the
main
problem
has
been.
If
you
wanted
to
solve
this,
you
would
have
to
solve
it.
For
you
know,
if
you
wanted
to
solve
it
for
n
programming
languages
in
mides,
you
would
have
an
n
by
m
problem.
C
You
would
have
to
write
plugins
for
each
ide
and
for
each
language
to
find
the
identifiers
and
do
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
recently
there
have
there's
been
quite
a
lot
of
development
in
cross
programming
language
standards
for
ide
development,
so
language
server
protocol
is
a
big
one,
and
the
idea
between
behind
lsp
is
that
you
can
embed
the
language
specific
smarts
inside
a
language
server.
You
know
which
runs
in
its
own
process
and
it
talks
via
json
rpc
to
a
language
client.
C
A
language
client
is,
for
example,
a
vs
code
plug-in
or
the
ide
itself,
and
so
the
language
smarts
kind
of
what
is
an
identifier.
You
know
where
are
the
identifiers
in
their
code?
You
know,
given
that
the
the
cursor
is
here
in
a
text
document.
What
are
the
autocomplete
suggestions?
C
All
these
answers
can
be
asked
all
these
questions
can
be
answered
by
the
the
language
server,
leaving
the
language
client
free
to
focus
on
the
presentation
and
the
interactions,
and
so
you
know
the
language
servers
they
understand
the
they
understand
the
programming
language
the
developer
is
working
in.
They
also
understand
the
libraries
to
some
degree.
C
So,
if
you're
going
to
do
completion
requests,
it's
based
on
the
set
of
type
definitions
and
the
set
of
apis,
the
the
you
know,
the
the
programmatic
elements
that
are
defined
in
things
that
you
import
into
the
file
that
you're
working
with-
and
you
know,
recent
id
id
recent
language
servers
for
even
for
dynamic
languages,
very
dynamic
languages
like
ruby,
python
and
javascript
do
a
a
really
good
job
of
of
kind
of
figuring
out.
What
is
you
know,
do
a
good
job
of
autocomplete
suggestion.
C
So,
even
where
you're
not
dealing
with
a
static
language
there,
there
isn't
a
lot
of
available
information
about
the
library
and
and
some
of
it
is
heuristic,
but
it's
still
high
quality
and
so
yeah.
Here's
an
example
of
the
autocomplete
request
at
the
bottom.
You
know
the
y.
We
figure
out
that
you
know
if
they're,
if
they're
typing
y,
based
on
the
declared
type
of
the
record
year
month
and
day,
are
available
and
then
we
filter
it
out
and
and
it
and
it
comes
up
with
year.
C
So
you
know
what
the
developer
needs
is.
They
need
to
know
the
meaning
of
the
identifiers
they're
working
with,
and
the
language
server
finds
the
identifiers
and
the
language
server
may
also
understand.
You
know
for
this
programming
language
translation.
You
know
it
knows
a
little
bit
about
the
library
it
may
know.
It
may
understand
things.
C
You
know
a
language
server
for
javascript
understands
package.json,
and
so
it
it
can
map
it
can
map
it
can
find
metadata
for
libraries
and
maybe
find
translation
bundles
relating
to
that
particular
library
which
allows
it
to
give
the
translations
to
the
ide
and
that
allows
the
ide.
C
You
know
the
language
client
to
focus
on
displaying
those
translations
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
so
the
id
ide
knows
the
user's
preferred
language
based
on
their
id
settings,
and
so
this
this
kind
of
arrangement
allows
for
a
sensible
division
of
duties,
and
now
you
know
per
programming
language
you
know
like
if
we,
if
we
fix
a
a
a
language
server
for
one
programming,
language,
to
be
translation,
aware
and
to
better
support
developers,
and
we
fix
one
language
client.
C
Now
we
can
assist.
You
know
many
many
pre-fluent
developers,
there's
there's
no
longer
this
problem
of
of
factoring.
You
know
languages
and
ides,
and
I
think
you
know
there's
existing
efforts
like
I
think
open
source
is
not
here,
but
I
know
that
he's
been
involved
in
in
translating
node
docs.
There
have
been
large
efforts
to
translate
project
documentation
into
many
languages
and-
and
I
think
that
that
api,
translation
and
document
documentation-
translation,
they're
different
in
many
ways,
but
I
think
they're
complementary.
C
So
with
the
documentation
translation,
you
know
things
like
mozilla,
docs,
they're,
great,
it's
kind
of
top
down
people
who
are
very
familiar
with
the
project
provide
the
content
and
if
you're
inclined
to
read
the
manual,
you
know-
and
you
share
some
assumptions
with
the
authors,
then
you
can
derive
a
lot
of
useful
information
out
of
it.
This
documentation
is
generally
not
available
in
the
ide
when
you're
working
and
it
has
the
property
that
you
know
you
put
in
a
big
effort.
C
You
organize
a
bunch
of
people
to
translate
whole
whole
documents
and
you
get
a
big
result,
but
if
somebody
translates
just
a
sentence,
there's
usually
no
result
from
that.
The
nice
thing
about
api
translation
is
it's
it's
bottom
up.
You
know
if
a
developer
can
figure
out
what
one,
how
to
express
one
api
element
in
their
language,
they
could
contribute
that
you
know
they
don't
need
to
be
intimately
familiar.
With
kind
of
you
know
the
workings
of
an
entire
project.
You
don't
have
to
be
reading
the
manual.
C
You
know
the
the
results
of
that
translation
can
be
available
in
the
ide
right
when
you
interact
with
it,
and
you
know
the
effort
kind
of
scales
with
the
result.
If
you
translate
one
term
that
one
term
is
available,
if
you
translate
10
10
terms
are
available,
so
you
know
api
translation,
I
think
fills
some
gaps
that
documentation
translation
doesn't
reach,
and
you
know
if,
if
people
are
interested
in
this
idea,
you
know
I
I
think
it
would
be.
C
I
think
what
would
be
needed
next.
I
am
a
native
english
speaker.
I
have
never
actually
had
this
problem.
I
think
you
know.
I
think
that
any
kind
of
goal
setting
and
prioritization
should
probably
be
driven
by
somebody
who
who
has
kind
of
experienced
this
before
they
were
they.
C
They
worked
as
a
developer
while
they
were
pretty
fluent,
and
maybe
they
struggled
with
english
terminology
and
idioms
in
the
apis
that
they
were
using,
and
we
would
probably
need
some
changes
to
the
language
server
protocol
so
that
there
is
a
verb
that
you
can
use
to
request.
C
C
That's
probably
not
the
best
way
to
present
things,
and
so
we
would
need
somebody
who
understands
you
know
somebody
better.
On
user
experience
to
kind
of
experiment
with
how
to
present
translations,
and
then
I
think
we'd
probably
need
to
hack
together
a
vs
code
plug-in
to
actually
do
that
and
maybe
to
make
it
easy
for
people
to
contribute
translations,
and
it
would
probably
be
good
to
have
some
kind
of
website.
You
know
which
can
serve
as
a
central
registry
for
translations,
so
that
language
servers
can
say.
Hey.
C
I
have
an
identifier
for
a
library,
I'm
gonna
go
and
grab
translations
from
that,
and
you
know
some
kind
of
organization
to
provide
provide
structure
for
the
project.
So
you
know
I
have
some
other
thoughts
on
a
heck
md.
If
people
are
interested.
A
I
think
this
sounds
exciting
and
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Actually,
I
know
several
people
who
were
pre-fluent
when
they
got
into
development,
and
this
was
always
an
area
of
frustration.
Some
of
those
people
I'm
like.
Oh,
I
wonder
if
they
would
be
interested
in
and
helping
you
with
that
that
bullet
point,
so
I'm
we'll
reach
out
and
make
some
intros
mike.
If
that's
that.
A
Yeah-
and
I
wish
ben
michelle
were
here
because
I
think
he
would
also
be
clapping
and
excited
too,
because.
D
Yeah
I
was,
I
was
nudging
ben
to
be
here
and
I
sent
him
some
screen
grabs
as
as
it
was
going.
C
I'll
I'll
I'll
try
and
follow
up
by
email
with
with
ben.
A
I
I
can
see
you
know,
and
I
do
I
do
wonder
just
kind
of
connecting
this,
perhaps
with
our
some
of
our
projects
like
are
there?
C
Yeah,
finding
a
finding
a
first
project
to
provide
translations,
I
think,
would
be
great,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
would
be
really
nice
is
if,
if
people
who
wanted
to
translate
a
library
could
do
that
without
you
know
having
to
gate
on
source
code,
you
know
I
think
apis
and
identifiers
tend
to
be
pretty
stable.
C
Just
because
you
know
there
are
backwards,
compatibility
concern,
so
you
know
I
think,
having
a
guinea
pig
would
be
great
but-
and
I
think,
but
I
I
think
ultimately
the
goal
would
be
you
know:
hey,
there's
a
project,
that's
widely
used,
but
not
maintained
at
all.
We
can
still,
we
can
still
get
it
translated.
D
Can
I
ask
a
question,
can
you
I
think
it's
slide
two?
Could
you
show
that.
D
Yeah,
so
I
think
in
here
you
said
that,
like
the
autocomplete
you
type
year
and
you
get
ano
there,
yeah,
okay,
sorry,
I
don't
actually
speak
spanish
but
like
how
does
that
wind
up
giving
you
like
lots
of
false
positives
in
a
confusing
way
or
something.
C
C
B
C
Yeah,
I
mean
you
know,
I
think,
if
any
time
you're
doing
anything
even
like
that
even
borders
on
novel
with
a
new
user
interface.
You
always
get
kind
of
you
always
realize
that
your
mind
works
differently
from
that
of
many
of
your
users.
A
A
One
thing
that,
I
wonder
is
if
this
would
make
a
good
collab
space
you
know,
and
within
you
know,
the
foundation
has
these
forums
for
projects
to
get
and
by
projects
I
don't
mean,
like
our
existing
necessarily
like
the
foundation
projects,
but
projects
like
this,
like
the
package,
vulnerability
work
like
that
kind
of
thing,
which
are
more
cross
project
and
cross
community.
A
You
know
support,
and
I
kind
of
wonder
if
this
would
make
a
good
if
this
would
be
a
a
good
use
of
a
collab
space,
or
I
should
say
if
this
would
be.
The
needs
of
this
project
would
be
met
by
a
collab
space
as
an
option.
A
C
Yeah,
I
I
think
the
the
reason
I'm
I'm
bringing
this
before
kind
of
standards
group
is.
I
I
think
that
you
know
there
is
some
standards
work
around
lsp
and
it's
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
the
open,
js
foundation
wants
to
be
kind
of
involved,
with
lsp
and
related
to
standards
like
elfif
and
and
and
dapp.
C
C
Direct
insight,
unfortunately,
okay,
I
could
probably
figure
something
out,
but
if,
if
if
I
could
lean
on
you
down
the
road
to
for
maybe
an
intro
that
that
would
be
great,
but
I
don't
actually
have
anything
right
now,
but
the
answer
is
microsoft,
so
you
know
vs
code.
I
think
an
awful
lot
of
this
work
is
coming
out
of
the
vs
code
team.
E
C
C
C
C
This
it
it
sounds
like
they're
heading,
it
sounds,
like
that's
kind
of
you
know.
My
sense
is
that
is
that
they,
they
they're
working
in
a
way
that
would
be
compatible
with
moving
to
that.
If
the
need
arose
so
cool-
and
my
sense
is
that
there's
plenty
of
people
in
that
org
who
have
done
standards
work
in
the
past.
A
Cool-
and
it
sounds
like
you
already
know,
a
lot
of
the
vs
code-
peeps
know
that
there
are
lots
of
them
kind
of
in
our
in
the
foundations
network
anyway.
So
I
think
that's
another
thing
from
like
the
openjs
side
should
you
need?
I
actually.
C
Don't
know
many
of
the
vs
code,
most
of
the
okay
microsoft
people
I
know,
are
either
doing
weird
functional
language
stuff
or
you
know
you
know
kind
of
or
are
type
scripters.
A
Okay,
well,
that's
something
else.
Maybe
we
can
do
is
just
like
start
a
dialogue
and
perhaps
through
that
that
would
be
maybe
helpful.
C
Yeah-
and
it
seems,
like
you
know,
kind
of
the
dot
d
dot
ts
model
of
like
you
can
contribute
metadata
type
metadata
about
a
project,
even
if
it's
not
written
in
typescript.
That
kind
of
model
may
be
a
great
way
for
kind
of
doing
translation
stuff,
especially
if
you
know
you
need
to
map
identifiers
through.
You
know,
uglify,
you
know
with,
because
because
source
map
of
course
allows
you
to
map
source
transfer,
source
source
identifiers
to
translated
identifiers
and
that
kind
of
stuff,
so.
A
This
is
dope,
I'm
excited
and
I
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
I
found
some
things
that
I
can
help
with.
I
can
make
intros.
So
that's.
C
Yeah,
if
you
you,
I
think
you
had
you.
You
had
some
answers
to
bullet
point
number
one
on
you
know
people
who
worked
at
devs
while
pre-fluent
and
that's
awesome
and
thanks
for
your
thoughts
on
the
homework,
I
I
don't
understand,
kind
of
what
the
collab
space
stuff
is,
but
I'll
look
into
it.
Cool.
A
Yes,
other
than
here
awesome,
all
right
cool.
Thank
you
very
much.
This
would
be
cool
moving
to
our
next
issue,
which
is
issue
142
document
delegates,
document,
delegates
and
delegate
approval
process.
It
was
pointed
out
on
slack
that
and
finding
out
who
is
a
delegate
on
behalf
of
the
foundation
is
for
for
any
given
group,
isn't
super
clear.
A
Emily
had
who's
like
oh
it's
right
here,
but
emily
knows
where
everything
is
because
he's
just
like
that
good
and
I'm
the
one
who
probably
put
it
there
and
I
didn't
remember
where
it
was
so
what
this
means
is
it's
not.
It's
not
particularly
well
surfaced,
and
I
I
wonder
if
there's
something
I
guess
we
have
this
member
representation
markdown
file.
A
I
just
wonder
if
there's
something
else,
we
want
to
do
to
make
it
more
clear
when
we're
saying
a
person
is
representing
our
group,
either
in
a
time-based
way,
because
they're
just
there
to
kind
of
promote
like
a
specific
proposal
or
issue
or
hey
they've,
been
appointed
for
a
term
of
two
years
or
something
of
that
sort.
Any
ideas
or
strong
feelings
about
how
we
do
that
or
is
it
just
like
nodular
just
like
make
a
pull
request
and
update
it?
Please.
A
A
Okay,
so
maybe
this
is
just
something
we
can
then
like,
starting
from
now
on
as
soon
as
like,
like
okay,
we
do
one
pull
request
to
just
like
bring
that
file
up
to
date
and
then
from
then
on
once
the
decision
is
made.
That's
part
of
the
memorialization
of
that
decision,
like
that,
a
pull
request
is
opened
to
add
that
person
to
the
file,
and
we
just
need
to
operationalize
that
so
that
with
the
file
stays
up
to
date,
yeah,
okay,
all
right.
A
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
open
a
pull
request
and
update
the
file.
Please
story.
A
A
Last
anything
else.
On
that
no
okay,
I
thought
I
heard
somebody
start
to
interject.
The
last
issue
tag
today
was
issue
130.
The
ongoing
discussion
request
issue
of
standards,
education,
slash,
onboarding
resources,
but
now,
if
you
click
that
link,
did
it
work
right?
A
Yes,
it's
redirecting
if
you
click
the
link,
that's
in
the
notes.
Why?
Because
jory
finally
did
her
action
items
from
like
three
weeks
ago
or
something
for
a
month
ago
from
the
before
time
to
create
a
new
github
repo
for
this
work,
it's
under
the
open,
js
foundation,
slash
standard
standards,
ed
dash
site,
and
there
are
three
issues
now
on
the
site.
One
is
this
issue,
which
is
capturing
all
of
the
just
resources
that
we've
gathered
so
far.
A
So
all
of
those
the
next
issue
is
the
questions
that
we
want
to
kind
of
use,
to
kind
of
curate
the
experience
for
people,
and
we
had
had
a
brainstorm
on
that.
A
few
weeks
ago
and
I
captured
those
from
the
notes-
and
then
a
third
issue
was
from
ben
actually
who
suggested
that
we
maybe
also
consider
converting
some
of
the
materials
that
we
have
identified
into
short
videos
or
perhaps
even
doing
a
video
ama
series,
which
was
actually
mike
samuel's
idea
from
two
months
ago.
I
think
thank
you
mike.
It's
still
a
good
idea.
A
So
that's
the
third
issue.
So
now
we've
got
the
separate
space
to
capture
all
of
the
education
priority
stuff
separate
of
the
of
the
standards
working
group
repo.
I
think
that's
good
the
the
last
week
not
last
week,
two
weeks
ago,
last
time
we
met
mike
samuel
also
had
another
a
great
idea
around
sort
of
personas
and
thinking
about
like
how
people
with
different
experiences,
different
backgrounds,
kind
of
come
to
these
questions.
A
And
do
we
want
to
identify
some
of
the
first
couple
of
personas
if
you
will
to
curate
content,
for
I
thought
that
was
really
a
useful
way
of
perhaps
getting
initial
information
out
there,
and
I
wondered
if
today
we
could
spend
a
few
minutes
sort
of
thinking
about
what
those
first
one
or
two
lego
personas.
A
You
call
them
like
lego
pieces,
I
think
too,
which
is
another
interesting
way
of
putting
it,
what
those
those
lego
pieces
are
to
to
get
started,
because
otherwise
this
could
be
one
of
these
things
that
takes
an
eternity
because
we're
dreaming
up
thousands
of
different
types
of
people,
lego
people.
C
Yeah,
so
on
the
video
series
thing,
I
think
that
was
actually
ben's
idea.
C
C
But
I
thought
it
was
a
good
idea
at
the
time
and
so
yeah
there's
different
kinds
of
users
and
just
for
example,
you
know
php
gets
a
bad
name,
but
it
allows
an
awful
lot
of
mom
and
pop
kind
of
shops
to
put
to
get
put
together
a
web
storefront
and
you
know,
make
some
money
selling
stuff
online
and
and
have
a
livelihood,
even
though
they
have
absolutely
minimal
technical
skills,
and
so
you
know
that's
an
example
of
a
user
persona
and
so
different
kind.
C
You
know
what
what
you
know
kind
of
you
know
different
cross-sections
based
on
what
are
their
goals
when
they
interact
with
software.
What
skills
do
they
bring?
Technically?
What
value
do
they
bring
based
on
their
non-technical
skills?
You
know
the
more
technically
skilled
somebodies
may
be,
you
know
tends
to
be.
You
know
they
don't
have
as
much
skill
outside
of
the
technical
realm,
and
so
you
know
those
kinds
of
things,
but
you
wanted
like
to
capture
some
specifics.
A
Yeah,
so
you
know,
because
we've
started
to
gather
these
kind
of
these
resources
and
the
resources
are
all
geared
toward
perhaps
different
types
of
users.
They
need
to
be
contextualized,
for
you
know
the
audience
properly
as
well,
like
you
don't
want
to.
E
A
C
Yeah,
and
so
I
think,
to
to
brian
cardell's
question-
you
know
kind
of
what
is
it
about
the
persona
that
that
kind
of
identifies
it,
and
I
guess
in
the
in
the
case
of
the
shopkeeper
you
know,
they've
they've
got
a
lot
of
skill
interacting
with
potential
customers
in
the
real
world,
but
you
know
they're
making
a
foray
into
the
online
world,
and
maybe
this
is
like
very
1980s
but
they're,
making
a
foray
into
the
online
world
and
so
they're.
C
Looking
for
something
that
you
know
kind
of
like.
C
They
have
no
skill
in
dealing
with.
You
know
like
the
way
they
provide
value
is,
is
their
knowledge
of
their
customers,
and
you
know
how
they
relate
to
other
people,
one-on-one,
not
their
ability
to
put
ankle
brackets
in
the
right
place.
B
C
C
A
B
So
I
I
unfortunately
missed
the
last
meeting
and
the
minutes
as
well.
So
maybe
this
is
just
like
a
too
naive
question,
but
like
for
the
personas
idea,
was
it
like
to
describe
users
or,
like
all
different
kinds
of
people
who
play
some
role,
that
you
might
interact
with.
C
D
C
A
Okay,
I
think
one
of
the
main
groups
that
I
thought
about
when
we
were
first
like
coming
up
with
this
idea
was
the
demographic
of
developer,
who
has
now
been
you
know,
create
like
working
for
a
few
years,
they've
come
to
understand
and
be
comfortable
in
their
tech
stack
and
their
domain,
but
they're,
asking
sort
of
like
the
questions
of
the
the
what
why
how
to
grow
their
knowledge
of
a
given
space
further,
and
you
know
also
asking
the
the
questions
of
like
well.
A
Where
did
where
did
these
sort
of
decisions
come
from
and
I'm
trying
to
promote
my
champion
back
again?
If
it
will,
let
me
come
on
there.
It
is
mike.
Are
you
back
with
us.
E
Yeah,
but
only
only
for
a
second
since
I'm
getting
off
a
ferry
and
I
won't
be
able
to
pay
attention
so
anyway,
but
yeah
anyway.
Well,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
heard
any
any
of
my
comment,
but
I'll
I'll
put
it
in
slack
so,
but
when
I
can
get
back.
A
Okay,
yeah,
we
didn't
hear
you.
Unfortunately,
I
know.
E
A
So
that
that's
like
to
me
that
that
group
was
one
of
my
priority
groups,
mostly
because
I
feel
like
another
reason
for
doing
this
is
to
kind
of
help
make
the
standard
space
more
just
inclusive,
particularly
to
newcomers.
So
I
thought
thinking
about
those
newer.
Folks
first
was,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
enough
information
to
really
scope
a
specific
persona.
Just
yet.
C
You
know,
I
I
think
if
maybe
we
should
start
kind
of
just
gathering
some
notes,
and
I
I
think
you
know
people
are
complex
and
multivaried
and
any
group
of
personas
is
going
to
necessarily
like
you
know,
stereotype
to
some
degree.
But
but
if
we
start
getting
something
concrete
down,
then
maybe
that's
better
than.
A
C
A
And
then
kind
of
connecting
it
back
to
your
slash,
ben's
idea
of
doing
and
the
video
type
I
can't
like.
I
think
it
started
as
like.
A
Oh
what,
if
we
used
one
of
joe's
office
hours-
or
we
did
query
me
this,
because
we
can't
call
it
ama
type
thing
to
try
and
start
gathering
questions
that
people
have
if,
if
that's
still
something
that
we'd
be
interested
in,
I
can
talk
to
rachel
about
that
today,
as
as
a
means
to
through
which,
like
we
at
least
start
getting,
maybe
real
questions
from
real
people,
as
opposed
to
the
fictional
questions
that
we
think
that
maybe
somebody
might
ask.
B
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
in
the
realm
of
the
thing
that
we're
talking
about
or
not
but
like
I.
I
have
a
lot
of
contact
with
developers
and
hear
through
channels
of
people
who
have
a
lot
of
contact
with
developers
that
they
have.
B
Different
impressions
and
also
different
frustrations
or
different
fears
about
like
engaging
with
standards
or
different
questions
about
how
to
even
engage
with
different
standards,
bodies
and
things,
and
what
comes
up
a
lot
in
these
conversations
with
other
people.
Is
that,
like
there
is
some
degree
of
understanding
how
the
process
and
the
people
work
that
change,
like,
probably
how
you
would
perceive
it.
I
feel
like
I'm,
not
articulating
this
very
well.
B
Unfortunately,
but
for
example,
there
are
you
know,
the
css
working
group
works
very
differently
than
the
what
working
group
and
there
are
like
different
things
about
like
the
terseness
or
the
the
short
direct
language,
or
things
like
that
that
are
just
sort
of
part
of
how
they
work
and
why
they
work,
because
they
work
a
lot
of
issues
and
they're
just
sort
of
very
efficient
with
their
communication,
even
with
one
another
like
it
is
frequently
perceived
as
more
off-putting
than
it
need
to
be.
B
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
there's
like
some
way,
we
can
help
that
by
offering
something
that
like
helps,
answer
those
sorts
of
questions
and
explain
the
sort
of
nuance
about
like
when
you
interact
with
these
groups.
This
is
what
it
means
like.
If
you
say
you
file
something
on
css
working
group
and
like
when,
should
you
expect
a
response
or
a
spec
or
a
like?
B
B
E
A
I
I
I
pick
up
what
you're
putting
down.
I
think
you
know
you're
you're
sort
of
asking
this,
like
you
know,
is
there
something
that
we
can
do
to
answer
questions
of
social
of
a
social
nature,
because
you
want
people
to
take
the
right
interpretation
when
it
takes
tab
three
weeks
to
respond,
because
tab
is
like
a.
A
Person,
you
know
so
yeah,
I
I
I
I
gather
I
I
do
think
that
those
are
some.
Those
are
some
things
that
should
fit
into
the
resource
site
too,
because
it
should
be
like
not
just
here's
how
it
works
from
like
a
very
operational
standpoint,
but
also
probably
like
a
oh,
was:
was
it
a
fairly
short
and
direct
sentence?
You
know,
that's,
that's
pretty
fine!
That's
pretty.
B
E
B
C
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
those
are
like
some
really
subtle
things
that
it
can
take
a
long
time
to
like
get
a
grip
on
and
they're,
not
the
same
everywhere
like
they.
They
work
a
little
bit
differently
in
all
the
different
places,
and
I
know
that
that
can
be
intimidating
and
also
I
know
developers
sometimes
can
extrapolate
many
of
those
into
like
larger.
A
B
Like
ideas
about
whether
they
think
that
group
even
works
right
so.
A
So
I'm
just
noting
the
time,
and
we
did
have
like
one
thing-
that
we
wanted
to
chat
about
off,
cam
and
brian
you
have.
This.
Is
your
four
minute
warning
for
your
hard
stop?
Thank.
A
So
I'm
going
to
close
our
live
stream
thanks
everyone
for
tuning
in
we'll
see
in
dos
weeks,
and
let
me.