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Description
Hilliary and Ask an OpenShift Admin co-host Jonny Rickard discuss Janus IDP, What's new in Validated Patterns, and anything else they can think of!
A
Got
the
stuff
anyway,
hello,
get
options.
Welcome
to
Thursdays
you'll
notice.
My
co-host
has
changed
for
the
for
the
folks
who
he
didn't
actually
really
announce
it,
Christian
just
kind
of
quietly,
left
and
transitioned
over
to
acuity
and
then
so
when
people
realized
he
was
God.
I
got
a
lot
of
messages
like.
Oh
no,
are
you
going
to
continue
the
stream
or
whatever
and
I'm
like
yeah?
Well,
this
is
the
second
time
he's
done
this
to
me.
A
A
A
C
A
Anyway,
but
I
digress
so
once
upon
a
time
we
had
Marty
Jackson
come
on
to
talk
about
validated
patterns.
Marty's
on
your
team,
you
guys
work
together
so
when,
when
we
very
last
minute
plan
today's
stream,
we
were
like
hey.
Why
don't
we
like
briefly
say
hi
from
the
validated
patterns
team
and
then
also?
Let's
talk
about
this
whole
Janus
thing
which
I
don't
think
anybody
outside
of
like
the
company
is
talking
about,
but
we're
gonna
talk
about
it
anyway.
A
B
A
C
B
All
I
know:
oh
okay,
okay,
yeah,
Spotify,
open
source
it
like
two
or
three
years
ago,
and
it
I.
It
looks
like
it's
pretty
popular
but
like
when
you're
trying
to
look
up
hey,
who
all's
using
this
stuff
like
there's
a
lot
of
people
using
it,
but
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
stuff
out
there,
a
lot
of
content
and
yeah,
it's
it's
an
IDP.
B
So
oh,
my
God
I
can't
think
of
the
word
down
wow
a
developer
platform,
and
so
the
idea
is
like
say
you
have
like
a
workflow
that
your
your
company
or
your
organization
has
approved
right.
So
I
go
to
SRE
side.
You
guys
have
like
a
hey
if
you're
gonna,
if
you
wanna,
create
a
new
app
you've
got
this
entire
thing
that
you
got
to
go
through
right.
You've
got
this.
This
run
book
or
whatever.
B
Essentially,
so
you
can
create
a
template
based
off
of
that
workflow,
which
will
use
like
your
your
images
that
you
are
like
you
know,
blessed
to
use
like
certain
configs
and
stuff
like
that,
and
then
that
person
can
go
in
and
actually
deploy
that
resource
on
their
own.
You
know
so
it's
pretty
much
platform
engineering
right,
I
think
that's
kind
of
like
the
idea
behind
it
and
then
but
self-service
right.
A
A
We
have
exactly
this
like
standards
and
like
approved
architectural
models
and
stuff
like
that
for
like
managed
Services
offering.
So
if
you
look
like
Advanced
cluster
security,
for
example
right
so
they
had
to
to
become
an
offering
they
had
to
conform
to
the
standards
and
so
forth,
and
it's
not
extremely
it's
like
it's
internally
built.
It's
like
I,
don't
want
to
call
it
ad
hoc,
because
it
is
like
a
fairly
a
fairly
robust
set
of
systems
and
so
forth.
But
it's
not
got
this
level
of
Polish.
A
If
I'm
really
honest
with
you
and
it's
not
very
self-service,
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
to
navigate
so
I
think.
That's
part
of
why
that's
part
of
why
like
red
hat
started
like
looking
at,
is
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
conversations
about?
How
do
we?
You
know?
How
do
we
get
out
of
this
position
of
being
on
our
own
solution
and
then
I
start
getting
like
an
industry
standard
that?
A
Not
only
can
we,
you
know
drink
our
own
champagne
use
ourselves,
but
also
then
help
our
customers
have
that
same
experience
where
it's
clean
and
it's
elegant
so
far
great
because
they're
trying
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
doing
for
our
customers
we're
also
doing
for
ourselves
in,
like
the
reverse
and
so
I
think.
That's
where
you
know
there
was
I've
been
privy
to
for
a
long
time
a
various
series
of
conversations
around
exactly
this
type
of
thing.
A
So
when
I
saw
that
they
were
doing
the
Janus
Community
I
was
like
oh
I,
completely
understand
the.
Why
of
this
right?
I
like
I've,
been
very,
very
intimately
like
involved
in
the
whys
of
this
type
of
thing
so
like
this
is
really
cool
and
I
still
know
next
to
like
nothing
about
it
and
but
everybody's,
like
I,
think
I
think
actually
tell
it.
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
I
would
get
in
so
much
I
would
get
so
much
grief.
Yeah
the
Showcase
is
offline
till
the
20th.
Oh,
that's
such
a
that's
such
a
shame
anyway.
So
whatever
but
yeah
so
I
was
looking
at
the
the
plug-in
things
and
I
was
like
okay,
so
there's
pipelines
with
tecton
this
one
I
was
I
didn't
know
anything
about
this.
One
I
was
like
that
looks.
Cool
I
was
just
kind
of
like
poking
at
this.
Like
these
all
look
cool,
yeah.
B
A
B
A
Oh,
so
that's
something
that
for
those
of
us
who
use
openshift
were
spoiled
because
we're
used
to
having
it
but
it
actually,
there
isn't
I,
see
I've
seen
a
lot
of
like
Reddit
threads
about
what's
a
good
kubernetes
gooey.
So
I
was
like
that's
actually
like
a
really
big
value,
because
I
know
people
want
it
a
lot.
B
Yeah,
so
the
the
whole
idea
behind
backstage
is
like
you
get
all
this
tooling
right.
That's
all
like
the
single
pane
of
glass,
where
your
you
know
turbo
can
go
in
and
they
can
go
and
look
at
the
topology
of
their
application
right
or
if
they
wanted
to
look
inside
of
Argo,
CD
and
I'm,
just
kind
of
like
spitballing
through
the
Janus
plugins
that
they
created,
but
essentially
you'd
write
a
plug-in
for
anything.
B
That's
got
like
a
console
that
you
want
to
go
to
and
monitor,
and
you
know
like
watch
or
whatever,
or
have
somebody
go
to
and
do
something
with,
and
so
they
have
plugins
like
kubernetes
like
an
actual
raw
kubernetes
cluster,
there's
plug-ins
for
there's
like
a
whole
library
of
them,
where
you
can
pretty
much
do
whatever
there's
one
for
chat,
GPT
like
there's
not
in
Janus
but
within
backstage
itself.
So
there's
there's
all
kinds
of
craziness
that
you
can
do.
C
A
Here
we
go,
we
keep
rolling
and
you
know
what
I
missed.
Is
there
a
kind
of
I
missed
like
way
more
like
pronounced
scroll
bars
so
that
I
know
it's
gonna
scroll,
because
continuous
scrolling
and
like
the
concept
of
single
page
uis,
has
to
be
confused.
The
store
they're
not
like,
if
there's
anything
to
scroll
to
anymore
I,
just
I'm
old
I,
just
really
want
the
really
big
visual
cue.
That
tells
me
what
I
can
or
cannot
do.
That's
all
I
want
in
life.
You.
B
So
the
the
thing
about
the
plugins
is,
when
you
so
say:
if
you
have
like
you're
running
this
in
openshift
right
or
if
you're
running
this
locally,
you
add
the
plugin
into
your
image
or
you
know
if
you're
running
it
locally,
you'd
build
it
into
your
application,
and
then
you
modify
some
stuff
within
the
the
front
end
or
back
in
whatever
kind
of
plug-in
it
is
and
then
it
becomes
available
and
then
your
people
can
use
it
and
stuff
like
that.
So
it's
pretty
neat.
A
B
Yeah
and
I
think
that
there's
a
I'm
I'm
really
just
kind
of
going
off
a
conversation,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
a
request
either
in
the
Spotify
or
genus
and
showcase
or
working
on
it
or
something
like
that,
but
they're
trying
to
do
like
Dynamic
plugins.
So
that
way
you
can
add
a
plug-in
and
then
it
becomes
available.
So
it's
just
I,
don't
think
it's
a
thing
yet.
B
B
Oh
yeah,
so
we
took
a
look
at
this
for
the
patterns
team
and
just
trying
to
figure
out
how.
How
would
we
make
you
know?
How
would
we
do
this
to
make
it
make
sense
and
yeah
it's
there's
just
so
much
to
it
it's
hard
to
find,
because
the
idea
is
you
want
to
this.
Is
your
story
right?
It's
this!
This
IDP
would
be
very
personal
to
your
organization.
C
A
C
A
Processes
and
preferred
workflows
are
going
to
mirror
the
the
organizational
structure,
and
so
without
answering
that
question
you
don't
really
know
what
is
the
Great.
This
is
I
love
that,
though,
I
get
excited
about
these
types
of
things.
I
get
excited
about
these
types
of
things,
because
I
love,
ooh,
Dora,
metrics,
consistency
and
tooling
right.
A
A
What
that
means,
what
I
mean
when
I
say
that
is
like
it's
just
is
if
we
can
get
everybody
working
in
the
same
way
within
the
same
organization,
not
necessarily
in
this
within
the
industry,
although
that's
always
kind
of
cool
too,
if
we
get
people
working
in
general,
the
same
way
within
the
within
the
same
organization,
then
it's
a
lot
more
natural
to
to
be
able
to
like
perform
cross-functionally
and
like
it's
easy
to
be
more
collaborative
and
so
forth,
and
so
having
something
like
this.
It
basically
is
like.
A
Okay,
here's
the
way
we
do
development
in
our
company
like
and
it's
got.
You
know
all
kinds
of
I'm
like
I'm
gesturing
at
this
screen.
You
guys
can't
really
see
it
because
of
the
fact
that
you
can't
you
have.
My
screen
is
in
front
of
your
faces,
but
just
pretend
that
I'm
like
doing
the.
What
is
what
is
that
Wheel
of
Fortune
thing
right,
yeah.
B
A
B
B
Yeah,
it's
it's
pretty
awesome,
I!
Think
if,
like
the
way
I
envisioned
this,
this
would
be
like
you
know
this
would
be
a
portal
right.
You'd
come
in,
you
would
have
like
a
user-facing
portal
where
they
would
go
and
see
your
dog.
So
you
could
see,
like
you
know
your
CI
testing
and
stuff
like
that.
So
like.
B
Maybe,
if
you
have
a
dashboard
that
shows
like
hey,
you
know
like
in
our
case
with
all
the
patterns
right,
like
here's
all
the
patterns,
here's
how
they're
you
know
doing
in
a
CI
type
of
thing
or
if
I
have
a
you
know,
maybe
I
wanted
to
see
some
metrics
I
want
to
see
some
graphs
or
whatever
right
then
click
on
that
and
then
on
the
internal
side.
You
know
you
hit
the
other
end
of
that
and
it's
like
okay,
look,
I'm
gonna,
go
deploy
a
thing.
I
want
to
go
to
play
cluster.
B
Maybe
maybe
deploy
a
pattern
on
top
of
that
and
then
you
know,
do
all
the
funky
stuff
within
that
and
then
tear
it
down
right
or
or
just
not
have
to
worry
about
it.
You
know,
and
it's
just
it
becomes
really
clicky
at
that
point.
It's
kind
of
nice
I
think.
From
that
end,
it
makes
the
reusability
story
pretty
like
legit.
You
know
it
makes
sense,
like
the
the
consumption
store
right.
B
A
B
C
A
You
know
what
I
actually
want
from
this
I
want.
This
I
want
this
to
have
been
a
message
of
the
day
if
this
had
been
a
message
of
the
day
style
plug-in
right.
So,
like
you
log
into
your
console
and
instead
of
just
getting
like
the
today's,
which
is
also
valid
but
like
if
it
just
kind
of
randomly
selected
one
for
you
as
your
message
of
the
day
for
XKCD.
C
A
I
would
be
so
motivated
to
log
in
to
work
every
day
you
can
see
which
one
I
got
and
then
like
I,
am
imagining
slack
threads
of
like
people
comparing
which
Comics
they
got
and
sharing
that
like.
There
was
a
thing
for
a
while
here,
where
we
were
doing
the
Wordle
of
the
day
threads
and
like
how
did
everybody
do
on
Wordle
it'll
be
like
which
CD
comic?
Did
you
get
like
I.
A
B
B
A
A
B
Okay,
so
I'm,
assuming
that
you
can
see
this
yes,
okay,
cool
yeah
so
essentially-
and
this
is
I'm
I'm-
a
15
minute
expert
here,
like
I'm
I'm,
not
an
expert.
So
if
I
say
anything
wrong
like
please
don't
you
know,
don't
kill
me
on
Twitter,
but
yeah.
So,
basically
like
what
what
you
do
is
when
you
create
a
resource
you
can,
you
can
track
the
ownership
of
it.
So
you
essentially
have
like
this.
B
You
know
all
the
different
components
get
registered
to
a
specific
owner,
and
so,
if
we
go
through
like
we
can
see
like
there's
a
different
apis,
so
we
have
this
hello
world,
I'm
just
clicking
on
stuff,
so
we
can
see
it
and
we
can
see
that
it's
got
this
pet
store
provider.
The
owner
is
team
C.
If
we
wanted
to
look
at
the
docs
or
the
source
code,
we
could
do
that.
B
B
B
A
C
B
So
so
this
is
kind
of
like
when
you,
when
you
have
the
plugins,
you
can
add
them
to
your.
If
it's
like
a
front
end
or
a
back-end
plug-in,
you
can
add
it
into
the
UI
and
make
it
like
a
nice
little
icon
over
here.
This
is
like
the
cost
Insight
so
like
when
you're
looking
at,
like
monitoring
your
Cloud
cost.
This
is
the
the
cloud
cost
plug-in
for
whatever
you
know,
whatever
you're
doing.
A
A
How
spend
is
calculated
against
those
things,
but
two
is
actually
like
if
you
start
seeing
any
irregularities
in
those
Trends,
it
can
actually
give
you
insight
into
like
probably
like
performance
problems.
That
could
be
like
a
blip
enough
that
maybe
it's
not
like
firing
any
of
your
alerting,
but
would
be
like
actually
probably
cause
for
concern.
I
should
should
warrant
an
investigation
so,
like
you
know,
sres
and
Engineers
could
go
in
and
be
like
okay.
So
why
is
this
all
of
a
sudden?
A
We're
like
What
is
what
is
kazia
to
really
regularly
Spike,
because
it's
like
garbage
collection
in
Java
right.
The
garbage
collection
always
calls
the
spike,
but
then,
as
general
workload
was
like
increasing
as
a
whole,
then
the
garbage
collection
Spike
would
actually
cause
like
ooms
and
other
problems,
and
the
things
would
die
and
it's
like,
oh
because
garbage
collection
is
now
taking
up
too
much
and
like
this,
it
can't
actually
finish
right.
So
that
was
that
was.
A
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
like
I,
want
to
see
more
stuff
like
that
more
stuff.
That
shows
me
about.
How
is
my
software
operating
compared
to
how
I
profiled
it
and
expected
it
to
operate
when
I
was
doing
the
design?
Because
sometimes
we
don't
Circle
back
on
that
until
it's,
because
we're
being
reactive
instead
of
proactive,
yeah.
A
B
Sure
that
you
could
write
a
plug-in
that
would
do
that.
Not
you
I'm
sure
that
there
could
be
or
you
you
know,
yeah
I'm
sure
you
could
write
a
plug-in.
That
would
do
that
that
you
could
scrape
that
information
from.
So
there
are
ways
to
enable
or
to
to
use
some
of
the
API
features
so
yeah.
If
it's
got
an
API
that
you
can
pull
from,
then
I'm
sure
you
could
probably
pull
that
in
so,
but
that
that's
my
50,
you
know
certainty
answer
right.
There,
Hi
I'm.
A
B
I
I'm
I've
been
more
focused
on
like
trying
to
get
it
installed
and
then
like
trying
to
you
know
essentially
make
it
like
custom
for
the
validated
patterns,
and
so
like
I
I
started.
It's
kind
of
like
the
cart
before
the
horse.
Right
I
started
trying
to
do
that
before
really
understanding
like
what
backstage
was,
I
I
ended
up
having
to
take
a
step
back
and
and
then
reading
on
it,
but
I
I'm,
not
a
developer
by
default
so
like
for
me,
like
there's
just
some
things
that
are
cool
to
me.
B
A
So
the
question
is:
is
the
goal
of
Janice
to
get
a
overview
of
the
things
we
have
running
on
openshift,
like
deployments
and
stuff
and
I'm
gonna,
go
ahead
and
be
proactive
and
say
no,
it's
like
that's
one
of
the
capabilities,
but
the
the
goal
of
it
is
to
have
a
kind
of
a
it's.
A
developer,
internal
developer
portal,
IDP
right,
so
kind
of
a
consistent
developer
experience
that
helps
to
automatically
enforce
like
the
things
that
we
would
want
to
enforce
so
standards.
B
Yeah,
it's
just
like
it's
I
think
Marcus
actually
answered
it
pretty
well,
where
you
know
saying
that
it's
creating
query
plugins.
It's
apology
view
is
a
great
example,
but
but
I
don't
think
it's
to
monitor
like
the
deployments
and
stuff
like
that,
so
you
can
create
stuff
right.
It's
it's
like
to
give
you
that,
like
that
nice
interface,
we
can
go
in
and
you
can
click
on
something
or
you
know,
complete
a
template
and
then
build
something.
B
That's
within
the
standards
of
your
organization
so
like
the
golden
path
templates
is
what
they're
actually
referred
to,
but
essentially
you're
using
the
framework
and
and
images,
and
things
like
that
that
your
company
has
already
bought
into
and
approved
and
stuff
like
that
from
a
security
perspective,
and
it
allows
you
to
deploy
things.
You
know
easily
so
like
a
Go
website
or
a
node
application
or
whatever.
A
B
B
A
The
Netherlands
actually-
and
we
were
joking
about
acronyms
and
the
the
concept
of
saying
TLA,
as
the
acronym
for
three
letter
acronym-
has
apparently
also
reached
over
there.
So
when
I
made
the
comment
like
immediately,
the
joke
was
picked
up
and
continued
I
didn't
have
to
re-explain
it
that's
how
bad
it
is.
Okay,
Crossing.
A
That
was
that
was
that
was
a
very
beautiful
moment
of
she's
like
oh
yeah.
No,
we
we
live
the
tlas
too.
That
was
just
yeah.
No,
it's
terrible
this.
This
is
not
even
just
a
red
hat
problem
right.
Obviously
it's
it's
a
just
I!
Guess
software
engineering
community
problem.
We
got
really
committed
to
it
and
went
way
too
far.
Yeah.
B
That's
what
makes
names
so
hard,
though
right,
like
you
gotta,
you
gotta
come
up
with
a
cool
name,
and
then
you
gotta
come
up
with
like
a
cool
binary.
So
that
way,
when
you
run
it
on
the
CLI,
you
know
when
you
run
it
on
your
shell,
like
it
you're,
not
running
out
this
long,
trying
out
thing,
you
know
so,
foreign.
A
Yeah,
that's
true.
One
of
the
most
Elegance
ever
is
Homebrew
and
then
the
CLI,
the
commands
are
just
Brew
right
that
one
wins
for
me:
I,
don't
even
I,
don't
even
use
it
hardly
ever
anymore,
especially
because
you
can
put
it
on
Linux
but
like
I
didn't
eat
it.
So
why
so,
but
yeah
that
one
that
one
always
wins
for
me
for
for
clever
creativeness,
it's
hard
to
be
that
good
at
naming
things
I'm,
not
that
good
at
naming
things
please.
C
B
A
B
C
A
B
B
You
can
modify
the
template
and
there's
a
lot
that
you
can
do
with
it
like
it's.
It's
pretty
awesome.
It's
just
there's
it's
such
a
big,
broad
topic
like
there's,
there's
the
customization
aspect
of
it
and
then
there's
the
you
know:
developer
Centric
Focus,
where
it's
like.
Okay,
let
me
go
and
put
all
the
tools
that
I
think
my
my
team
is
going
to
need
and
then
yeah,
then
it's
just
the
the
getting
people
to
start
using
it
and
buying
into
it
and
actually
in
the
backstage
I
o
page.
B
They
talk
about
getting
your
developer
to
or
your
organization
really
to
buy
in
to
the
the
whole
IDP
and
it
really
comes
into
just
like
all
right.
Let's
drive
everybody
towards
that.
Let's
get
everybody
used
it.
Let's,
let's
get
PR's
in
and
stuff
like
that,
and
then
that
way
you
can
kind
of
like
you
know
you
can
Branch
out
and
add
tools
or
remove
tools
or
tweak
tools
or
whatever
it
is.
A
B
A
Of
that
right,
because
when
we
do
this,
like
if
I,
if
Red
Hat
supplies
a
python
like
image
right,
we've
gone
through
the
process
of
doing
these
security,
Audits
and
so
forth
and
tracing
down
through
all
the
dependencies
and
everything
to
ensure
that
that
particular,
like
image,
is
as
secure
as
possible
and
should
be,
should
be,
broadly
speaking,
free
of
of
known
vulnerabilities
right
to
the
to
the
best
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
So
for
our
for
for
people
in
highly
regulated
environments,
you
know:
we've
gone
through.
A
It's
like
shifting
that
security
stuff
left
onto
us
as
like
a
vendor,
and
so
that's.
Why
is
that
what
you?
Just?
Oh,
no
you
linked
something
else.
I
was
gonna,
say
somewhere.
We
have
actually
information
about
what
we
do
here,
as
it's
actually
kind
of
really
cool
but
yeah.
Actually,
so
you
know
pushing
pushing
that
security
left
on
us
as
the
vendor
so
that
you
can
say
okay,
you
might
be
using
just
like
standard
postgres
or
any
standard
open
source
thing.
A
C
A
That
can
allow
it
to
perform
in
a
highly
regulated
environment.
Now,
I,
don't
know
which
highly
regulated
environments
we
guarantee
or
doTERRA
key,
and
that
might
be
like
a
whole
other
like
series
of
product
stuff
that
I'm
not
familiar
with,
because
I
just
use
the
things
that
they
tell
me
to
use,
and
it's
all
right
there
and
I
don't
have
to
care
that
much
right.
So
there's
there's
probably
like
a
lot
more
to
it.
A
But
when
we
were
at
kubecon
there
was
at
the
red
hat
Booth
one
of
the
security
like
companies
that
we
work
with
to
to
secure
our
images.
Was
there
and
explained
the
entire
process
of
locking
it
down
and
I?
Don't
know
if
that
was
recorded
and
put
on
our
YouTube
anywhere,
but
that
was
a
really
interesting
and
valuable.
Talk
and
I
took
pictures
of
the
slides
which
are
on
my
phone
and
therefore
no
good
to
anybody
here
today,
but
I.
A
It
was
extremely
like
I
think
that
was
some
of
the
best
like
like
30
minutes.
I
spent
at
the
conference
actually
was
watching
that
because
it
was
a
very
like
deep
dive
into
like
creating
secure
images
so
but
anyway,
so
that
was
kind
of
like
I
wanted
to
like
pause
and
like
explain
that
this
is.
This
is
the
why
we
have
a
Midstream
built
on
our
images
and
it's
because
we
do
all
the
things
in
order
for
those
to
be
like
secured
and
and
so
that
you
can
trust
them.
A
B
Well,
it's
an
enterprising
thing
right,
like
I
mean
it's
the
it's
the
repeatability
and
you
know
supportability
and
all
that
stuff
yeah.
It's
it's
funny.
How
like
it's
easy
to
take
a
secure
image
for
granted
right
like
secure
image,
is
kind
of
funny
to
say
in
itself
because
it's
you
know
it's
a
container
image,
but
it's
it's
just
got
everything
that
it's
you,
but
you
know
like
the
whole
concept
of
building
that
thing
out,
that
that
very
minimal
container
image
that
you
need
to
run
your
thing.
B
A
Yeah
there's
something:
there's
Red
Hat
RH
tap
Red
Hat
trusted
application
pipeline.
That's
a
project
that
I
worked
on
for
like
a
year,
not
that
I
did
like
significant
contributions
there,
but
I
was
like
their
SRE
consultant
for
for
that
year
and
then
part
of
like
how
they're
doing
because
it's
because
the
s-bombs
thing
is
like
I
think
they
announced
it.
Summit
trusted
content.
I
really
thought
they
did.
If
they
didn't
sorry
I
spoiled
it
probably
probably
won't
get
hired
over
that
whoops
I
think
they
did
I,
don't
know.
A
B
B
Yeah,
the
remote
is
as
an
architect
like
I
used
to
like
I'm,
a
not
joke
around
like
I
would
have
my
my
day.
My
work
day
would
be
like
all
day
in
meetings.
I
could
literally
go
back
to
back
to
back
to
back
to
back,
and
then
I'd
have
my
my
work
date.
My
second
workday,
which
is
where
I
actually
got
to
do
the
technical
things
I
was
talking
about
in
those
meetings,
and
it
ends
up
being
it's
crazy.
It's
just
you.
A
B
A
C
A
We're
all
born
too
old
for
this
many
meetings,
I'm
constantly
trying
to
figure
out
my
way
out
of
them,
but
you
know
working
on
it.
Stephen
just
needs
to
like
surpass
me
and
become
the
team
lead
and
then
I
can
rest
on
my
Laurels
as
having
like
helps
him
advance
and
I.
Just
can
do
nothing
I'll,
just
look
pretty.
A
Stephen,
you
understand
the
assignment,
I
love
picking
on
him,
because
he
watches
this
and
I'm
just
so
appreciative
that
somebody
on
my
team
actually
like
pays
attention
to
my
my
little
YouTube
channel
tal,
says:
I
need
to
open
G,
chat
and
Stephen
says
he's
seen
my
calendar.
What
do
you
mean?
Nope
calendar
Stephen?
A
Well,
that
was
extremely
brutally
honest
right
there,
okay,
okay,
tell
us
at
me
something
let's
go:
let's
go
open
that
and
pop
it
into
whatever
we're
doing
here
back
on
track
back
to
real
work.
Stop
whining
about
my
meetings,
yeah
one
more
quick
whining
about
my
meetings.
I
was
on
a
meeting
where
we
were
trying
to
schedule.
Another
follow-up
meeting
with
the
entire
group
of
people
and
I
was
looking
at
the
the
schedule.
A
Lineups
I
was
like
wow
like
who
Stark
purple
dark
purple's
like
that's
a
nightmare
to
schedule
around
and
then
I
realized
that
I
in
fact
was
dark.
Purple
and
I
was
the
scheduled
nightmare
and
I
was
like.
Oh,
it's
really
like
it's
one
thing
to
look
at
it
when
it's
my
own
and
it's
in
my
like
my
normal,
like
blue
color,
that
I
always
see
it
in,
but
I
look
at
it
like,
and
it's
like
as
somebody
else's.
It's
like!
Oh
God,
that's
that's
like
extra
terrible!
Oh.
A
A
A
A
I
only
have
my
one
screen
open
right
now
and
I:
don't
want
to
mess
with
that,
so
we're
not
getting
present
mode
because
that's
not
the
other
way.
I
hate
you
Google,
Slides,
okay,
so
that's
the
developer,
Hub
thing,
and
that
is
the
the
core
features
right.
So
we're
kind
of
talking
about
this
right.
Software
template
software,
catalog
plugins,
Tech,
Docs
search.
What
is
the
the
speakers
note
say
on
search
I
need
another
tab.
A
B
C
A
Did
you
seriously
reset
it
on
both
Google,
so
I
have
a
second
right:
I
opened
the
second
window
with
the
presentation
in
a
second
place
that
I
could
see
the
the
speaker's
notes.
So
I
can
like
do
the
things
and
I'm
like
okay,
but
that's
really
really
tiny.
So
I
like
made
it
the
different
size
on
the
second
window
of
the
presentation
and
it
just
went
and
changed
the
zoom
on
the
first
window.
A
C
B
B
If
you
have
questions
about
the
the
developer
Hub,
it's
probably
like
a
more
internal
basic
question,
because
I
think
that
they
are,
they
might
answer
it,
but
they
might
Point
as
well
like
I've,
seen
them
kind
of
say
that
that
you
know
they
don't
really
talk
about
the
red
hat
product
stream.
Yeah
in
that
workspace,
so
yeah.
A
But
I
think
I
think
this
particular
side
is
extremely
extremely
General
and
I
like
this:
the
searches
that
basically
the
concept
behind
is
so
the
exact
privileges
you
can
easily
index
content
from
plugins
and
other
sources.
This
means
that
you
can
search
across
systems
which
is
really
cool,
so
how
many
tools
you
have
to
go
through
before
finding
what
you
need
so
that
that
I
think
is,
that
is
pretty
cool
that
they
kind
of
have.
A
A
And
yeah,
so
this
there
we
go.
This
talks
about
kind
of
the
Upstream
in
the
Midstream
differences.
This
is
a
really
cool
thing,
so
backstage
core
right,
the
upstream
and
it
has
all
the
things
and
then
it
has
like
lots
of
Home
charts
and
then
the
Midstream
has
those
sample
golden
paths
and
plugins,
and
everything
else
that
we
were
going
to
talk
about.
A
I
didn't
see
custom
actions
in
the
stuff
that
we
were
poking
at
so
I,
wonder
where
that
was
so
that
I
can
I
can
learn
more
and
then
we
don't
we
don't
care
about
this
right
now,
we're
ignoring
it's
just.
That's
just
ignore
that
this
is
what
we
care
about.
This
is
this
is
what's
in
Janice,
that's
pretty
neat.
Let's
go
find
custom
actions
what's
custom
actions.
What
does
that
mean?
Tell
me-
maybe
the
speaker
sense
actually
does
tell
me.
B
C
A
B
This
this
I'd
say,
is
where
I
probably
struggled
the
most
is
where,
like
understanding
the
relationship
between
like
the
scaffolder
and
like
the
different
components,
because
when
you
look
at
these,
they
have
like,
like
the
manifests,
get
created
right.
They'll
have
a
component
might
have
like
an
API
version,
a
kind
metadata.
So
it
looks
very
much
like
a
kubernetes
resource.
But
it's
it's
really
not
it's
literally
a
backstage
resource,
but
it's
it's
identical
to
kubernetes.
B
A
As
I
say,
I
one
of
one
of
the
things
I
was
looking
at
I,
think
it
was
the
scaffolder
that
I
was
looking
at
last
night.
I
actually
noticed
and
I
was
like.
Oh
that
looks
like
templating
is,
is
being
used
here,
but
you're
and
other
than
that
it
looks
exactly
like.
Like
you
said,
it
looks
exactly
like
a
kubernetes
resource,
but
with
that
in
and
I,
don't
remember
where
I
saw
that,
so
it
might
not
have
been
a
scaffolder,
but
that
was
kind
of
like
okay
I
see.
A
A
B
A
C
B
Yeah
I'll
walk
through
the
getting
started
because,
like
I
said,
I
was
trying
to
build
it
before
I
really
understood
what
it
was
doing
and
I'm
like
after
a
while.
Okay
I
need
to
take
a
step
back
because
I
just
don't
know
what
the
hell
is
going
on,
so
I
ended
up
going
through
the
getting
started
and
that
that
helped
kind
of
like
put
some
of
the
pieces
together.
For
me.
C
A
A
A
A
B
A
B
B
A
B
So
the
catalog
file
here
and
Intel
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
like
essentially
when
you
went
to
create
something
like
you
can
point
to
this
catalog
file
and
this
catalog
file
is
like
the
the
mapping
of
like
resources
right.
So
you
can
pull
stuff
in
and
then
it'll
it'll,
add
stuff
in
and
then
there's
like
an
app
config,
which
is
like
what
the
it's
like,
the
the
config
that
the
application
itself
reads
in.
So
that
has
like
your
Integrations,
your
you
know.
B
A
I,
take
that
back,
I,
don't
I,
don't
question
the.
Why,
on
that
at
all
I
appreciate
tal
sitting
here
in
our
comments
being
basically
our
expert
right
now
and
again
yeah.
This
is
all
his
fault
because
he's
like
you
should
do
an
episode
on
this
and
I
was
like
I,
don't
know
anything
about
it,
but
okay,
but
tall
is
actually
in
Israel.
So
it's
very,
very,
very
late.
A
B
So
if
you
go
to
like
their
the
backstage
walkthrough,
if
you,
if
you
create
a
backstage
and
then
you
you
go
through
their
demo
and
you
pull
their
stuff
in
like
it'll,
pull
in
like
a
demo
website
and
then
it's
essentially
a
node.js
template
right.
So
you
click
on
the
node.js
template
and
you
go
through
and
you're
like
hey.
What
do
you
want
to
name
this
who's?
The
owner?
B
You
know
you
fill
out
this
little
template
and
then
click
create
and
it
creates
all
the
entities
and
stuff
like
that
and
all
the
you
can
see
the
relationships
and
stuff
and
if
you
wanted
to
create
like
something
extra
right
like
maybe
maybe
you
wanted
to
add
links
to
the
page
or
something
like
that.
You
could
add
that
stuff
in
and
then
it'll
add
like
little
icons.
You
know,
like
oh
I've
got
a
CI
page.
So
here's
a
link
to
that
or
you
know
here's
my
jira
issue
page.
So
it's
it's!
It's
it's
pretty
awesome!
A
I,
like
that
yeah
provision
and
Argo
City,
for
instance,
yep
I,
was
what
was
I
wondering
I
got
distracted
by
his
comments.
I
just
am
not
I
was
up
until
two
in
the
morning.
I'm
sorry
I'm,
not
braining.
The
brain
is
just
done.
It's
like
okay,
we
need
to
go,
take
a
nap
now
we
can't
we
can't
life
anymore.
A
A
Ecosystemic
ecosystem,
like
we're
just
going
to
ecosystem,
like
that's,
that's
where
it's
the
ecosystem,
like
nature
of
openshift,
because
openshift
is
a
series
of
components
and
we've
been
talking
about
ways
to
improve
our
understanding
of
those
things
cross-functionally,
and
so,
when
I
see
things
like
oh
depends
on
and
part
of,
and
I'm
like.
Oh,
yes,
that
is,
that
is
a
huge
nod
towards
the
whole
concept
of
an
ecosystem
and
making
that
easier
to
navigate
for
what
you're
delivering.
B
B
It's
not
really.
It's
Tribal
knowledge
right
like
right
now,
if
you
don't
have
that
mapping,
if
you
don't
have
that
kind
of
like,
if
you
don't
have
a
relationship
map
built
out,
then
it
is
tribal
knowledge
right
like
it's,
it's
what
Johnny
knows,
how
it
sprawls
and
then
it's
what
Hillary
knows,
how
it
swirls
right.
So
it
it's
I!
B
Think
that
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
that
that
organizations
will
get
especially
like
when
you
start
creating
all
these
microservices
at
random
and
you
got
hundreds
of
developers
doing
hundreds
of
things
right
like
you
need
to
know
how
it
all
circles
back
and
how
they
all
interconnect
and
stuff
like
that.
You
need
to
know
what
what's
going
on.
A
A
So
those
types
of
things
are
really
helpful
because
I
actually
can
think
of
it
like
a
product
off
the
top
of
my
head.
That
has
two
key
cloaks
and
there
have
been
problems
where
something
isn't
working
and
it
seems
to
be
related
to
key
cloak
and
we
spent
a
bunch
of
time
before
we
realized
it
other
key
cloak.
A
A
Now
that
I
go
to
the
other
key
cloak,
the
issue
is
really
obvious,
but
it
took
10
minutes
to
recognize
that
because
it
was
not
an
easy,
obvious
mapping,
so
little
things
like
that,
where
it
I
I
like
I,
like
anything
that
makes
the
ecosystem
easier,
is
we
created?
We
know
we
took
monoliths
and
we
broke
them
up,
and
now
we
have
microservices
and
in
some
ways
it's
much
easier
to
see.
What's
going
on
and
in
some
ways
it's
much
harder,
because
now
all
of
your
tracing
is
distributed.
C
B
Yes,
I
agree
like
the
whole
that
whole
idea
like
between
that
and
I
know
this
isn't
distributed
tracing
but
like
this
is
something
like
super
amped
up
about
is
Scupper
and
the
red
hat
service
application
interconnect
or
whatever.
It's
called
that
I'm
I'm
like
super
amped
up
about
that
I
think
that's
gonna
be
pretty
awesome
because,
like
they're
they're,
similar
but
totally
different,
yeah.
A
Yeah
no,
but
it
is
important
it
is
really
important
we
have.
We
have
customers.
That'll
have
like
this
is
my
development
cluster,
and
this
is
my
staging
cluster,
and
this
is
my
production
cluster,
which
is
like
great
that's,
really
good
best
practice
actually,
even
though
and
it's
expensive,
so
you
know,
they're
really
invested
in
the
in
the
like
what
they're
doing
and
doing
it
well,
but
actually,
when
there's
something
going
wrong
and
it's
only
going
one
on
one
cluster,
but
it
also
seems
like
it
should
be
the
same.
A
A
A
We
can
do
an
episode
on
it,
so
that
might
be
distributed
tracing
and
cluster
to
Cluster
like
we
should
talk
about
that
more
and
nerd
out
about
it,
because
honestly
I'm
bored
of
get
I'm,
not
bored
of
get-offs
but
I'm
a
little
bit
bored
of
get
offs.
So,
let's,
let's
find
good
excuses
to
show
more
other
things
for
a
little
while
five
minutes.
B
A
We'll
Workshop
it
we'll
Workshop
it.
We
got
some
time
so
we're
actually
over
time
we
got
distracted.
We
I
had
a
really
fun
time
like
poking
around
and
learning
about.
This
live
on
the
stream,
even
though
I
I,
like
you
know
normally
I
I,
think
normally
we
try
to
come
here
and
demonstrate
our
expertise.
Today.
We
came
here
and
demonstrated
our
interests,
and
things
have
learned
and
like
willingness
to
learn,
which
I
do
think
is
kind
of
an
important
thing
to
do
is
like
let's
learn
about
something
live
together.
A
Folks,
who
are
long-term
viewers,
will
remember
that
we
had
the
IBM
Z
systems,
ansible
team
on
a
while
ago,
to
talk
about
how
they
were
using
ansible.
At
that
time.
It's
called
project
wisdom.
We
did
reference
it
a
little
bit
and
they
indicated
that
they
were
kind
of
kind
of
working
with
that
stuff.
So
we'll
we'll
learn
more
about
ansible
Lightspeed
in
in
depth
and
then
I
forget
what
the
next
episode
is.
A
I
have
that
I
have
the
next
like
three
episodes
all
figured
out,
I'll
be
posting
them
on
LinkedIn
I
got
that
done
this
week.
That's
part
of
why
this
one
was
kind
of
like
thrown
at
the
wall
last
minute
versus
the
other
ones
are
actually
planned.
I'm
only
one
person
because
Christian
abandoned
me
again
so
we'll
go
through
that
and
then
come
like
August
or
whatever.
We
could
Circle
back
to
some
of
this
and
do
a
little
bit
deeper
Dives
feel
free
to
g
chat.
A
Me
slack
me
tweet
me
carry
your
pigeon
whatever
your
form
of
communication
with
me
is.
If
you
have
requests
about
something
and
I
can
work
on
trying
to
make
it
happen
through
the
end
of
the
year,
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Johnny
for
coming
and
saving
me
so
I
wasn't
talking
to
a
black
box
by
myself,
because
I
really
don't
I,
always
think
of
better
with
two
people
on
these
shows.
I
really
do.
A
Yeah
and
then
I
feel
like
this
I
every
time
I
say
it.
I
feel
like
it's
super
actually
saying
the
right
thing.
So
I'll
remind
you
all
to
choose
your
technical
debt
wisely.
I'm,
not
gonna,
bother
playing
the
outro
because
I'm,
not
that
talented
with
the
the
restream
program.
I'm
just
gonna
hit
end
stream
right
now.
We
will
see.