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Get your espresso ready for the EMEA OpenShift Coffee Break for a special KubeCon edition!
We will wrap-up GitOpsCon and celebrate KubeCon EU start with our OpenShift.TV stars Christian Hernandez and Andrew Block to talk all about the great cloud native happening in Valencia this week.

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A

Hey welcome good morning, good morning. Everyone welcome back to the openshift tv coffee break special edition today, because we have our fantastic guests directly from valencia for joining celebrating kubecon europe 22.. So I'm here with my friend and co-host jafar good morning, jafar good morning good morning, and our special guests are christian, hernandez and andrew block. I let you present yourself hello, yes, good morning.

B

Good morning, everyone I'm happy to be here, um I'm actually drinking coffee myself. um I was telling natalie that in europe you guys have really good espresso machines in your hotel rooms. That is nothing like the us. The us has crab coffee in the room. So I like, uh I like the fact that I can get an espresso right out of bed.

A

Good good one- and uh I I I'm totally with you here- the coffee looks a little bit better than uh than the regular then, um and I would like also to uh introduce andrew, which is walking through the venue, uh because christian and and andrew are at kubecon, valencia. So christian, I guess you are on uh in the hotel, but uh andrews is going to the venue. So it's a live streaming in in the place. Yeah.

B

Man on the street.

C

Oh man, we're out with the man in the street good morning, everyone so just trying to get into the venue here at kubecon eu in valencia, spain, oh wow,.

A

Wow those buildings it looks like san diego wow. I mean.

A

So today, folks is really free format, because we just want to celebrate some of the very good stuff that happened in kubecon valencia, which is starting today by the way in one hour. That's why we anticipated one hour, the show, but also christian. There was a very, very, very interesting and very well done call located event, which is the github scone. Can you tell us about it.

B

What happened there yeah so get up con was. um It was a labor of love this time around um the first get ops con. So a little history um we have um open open, get ops is a cncf um sandbox project, that's run by the um get ops working group. um That's made up of, like all the big get ops players right, so uh code, fresh is there um red hat obviously is is, is hugely involved. uh Weave works as well, uh among other other other companies, interesting parties.

B

um You know one of the things that we've we talked about um is, uh and thank you natalie for dropping the link there. um One of the things we did was um is uh was was the getups principles right? So um you know the first get ups con we did was virtual right and we just kind of it, was like hey we're here, sort of get upscan um sort of thing, and it was virtual right and then so um um you know when we did get up con in los angeles in person.

B

It was you know, first in person kubecon, so it was a little weird. It was our first in person get ops con, but we really wanted to do a um for for los angeles. We wanted to do the get ops principles right and so like by now. If you haven't uh go visit, opengets.dev get familiar with the principles there, um but that's you know. It's been widely popular this time around in valencia. I really wanted to to grow.

B

um You know I'm part of the program committee you know with with others right with with, along with the co-chairs um dan garfield from um code fresh uh chris short right, who used to be right at her announced at aws and um scott rigby, who is from weave works, and although the co-chairs I worked with the co-chairs to try to make this as big as possible, um and so then we had about you know 60 people at uh in la we had over 200 right I'll get the official numbers later, but you know from the eyeballing it we had.

B

200 people come to get ops con. um We had two tracks, so we have two rooms right. So if you guys haven't seen the tweets right, you know follow me on twitter. My handles that and you'll see me retweeting a lot of the pictures there who, where we had, uh we had two tracks. We had people from you know not only just like the core members of like red hat presenting code fresh and weave works, but we also had um you know, end users. We had google there we had um diana trace there.

B

Talking about you, know their open source contributions and um I felt a little bad, because this is the first time around. We actually had swag to give away. So we had uh t-shirts open, get ups t-shirts that were wildly popular, um so thanks to um obviously red hat. Who was um able to create those for us, um and I had a line just like a huge line at the red hat booth at uh at get ops con and they went like within.

B

You know like the first few minutes and I felt bad because I wasn't sure how many to bring I didn't bring enough. So in detroit I'll make sure I bring um more more swag this time, but it it was great uh andrew. I don't know if you've um from a an attendee point of view right andrew was, uh was an attendee there and a speaker there. um He did a great presentation. I don't know what your um takeaway was from get ops con.

C

um For me, honestly, it was amazing there were so many people. I know you were blown away by the numbers. um The group was awesome. uh Obviously, first days are always hard, because today is the first official day of kubecon and getting people to you know take an extra two days or one day, depending on how they have it is hard and the car was amazing. We had some great presenters.

C

um Everyone on the committee just did an amazing job.

B

Yeah it was it was. um I was blown away just just like really really really blown away by how many people actually attended. I was joking, I think, andrew. I think you were there. I was joking. I was like when you put an event in the united states, depending on where you are.

B

um You can get like 30 to 50 drop off right depending on where you are the europeans man. They show up like when you put an event. They.

B

They told us that you know we had um 300 people at capacity and we're almost at capacity. So, like you know, 250 people registered and about that much showed up. So um that's always great yeah.

D

So I think one of the reasons so first uh first uh good job guys with the with your uh attendance or presentations.

D

I saw that and also the job that you've done guys to take this from like an initial project or an early days initiative to something that has really become more mainstream and so like having its own thing. The git ups come now. It's it's really amazing to see how far this uh this topic has gone uh in only a few years, so I think in only two. So what uh what um so? Is it like? The third second edition or third or well? It's.

B

The second live one yeah, it's technically the third one, because the first one we did was virtual, but it was very, um you know.

D

Early very fast.

B

We did it yeah exactly. It was very easy, but we did um yeah. This is our second in-person one.

D

Yeah cool so congrats guys, and I think one of the reasons uh maybe there's a higher participation is since this uh this is in an another country. Once people commit to traveling. uh So in the us, it's okay, if they don't, you know, travel within the same country, maybe it's easier to cancel stuff, etc.

D

uh Whereas here, like it's the true commitment, they are traveling all different countries, et cetera, so so they are like. Oh I'm going there definitely yeah.

C

I know when I I know it comes like airlines and hotels. A lot of the us have relaxed a lot of those cancellation fees, so we're like. I guess I won't go but yeah it's great to see the attendance here.

D

Yeah cool cool, so um so um yeah how to tell us about, like the you know, the big uh big players that you see there. So uh obviously I I guess there's a lot of talk about not this guy, but I'm trying to bring the right one. This.

C

D

uh But are there any new players, new projects, things we should uh know about or.

B

So I saw- um and I've had the dynatrace guys um on my stream before, um but I saw a dynatrace being um a bigger, not a bigger player but they're starting to come up with their. um They have an open source project called captain or captain not sure how it's spelled here. Let me try to spell it.

B

uh Okay and I'll drop it in the chat, so you guys can try to try to google it, but um um they have a um a um a project called captain and um um and what captain does is they're they're, not act they're not actually like a get ups uh controller, and I saw that we saw um andy drop he's on he's on he's on uh uh on mobile. So that makes sense. But um the um captain is a slo um driven deployments right, so um they don't actually technically do get off. Captain okay, yeah.

B

They don't get ptn yeah there. We go. Yes, yeah! That's that! Thank you! That's the um the dropped it in the chat there um and um they are. They do slo and sli driven um deployments, so they don't actually directly do get ops, but they plug into things like argo, cd and weaveworks.

B

um We works uh flux right, so they do argo. Cd and flux, or whatever right, like whatever you know you plug into whatever they need to plug into, but they do slo and sli driven deployments right so like unless your deployments pass a certain criteria.

B

um They're not gonna, get promoted into production also if they don't meet certain metrics they'll roll back your version, and so- um and this is a project uh again started by dyna trace. uh They did a presentation at get ops con, which was really really great. um So the I'm trying to this morning.

B

I was trying to find to see if they put the videos up, yet they haven't put it up yet um I'll share those on twitter later, but uh they did a great presentation about how and- and this is indicative of how like people are also just like looking outside of um outside of the kubernetes ecosystem and trying to see like what else can we do and apply the principles to um you know there was a presentation about like terraform right which, like terraform itself, doesn't do get ops but you're going to use it as part of your um your your get ups, your automation, workflow right, like you know, and I did a presentation- and I talked about like stack, rocks right like and um and open cluster management right, so like acm and acs about how, like you, need to bring some of the stuff outside of just playing kubernetes right, like you don't just um some of the things that I saw was really cool about the the fact that people are looking right, like they're looking at kubernetes and looking outside of kubernetes like well.

B

How can we do these things? You know these these school automation, things outside of just kubernetes right outside you know. We have other things in our environment that you know that we want to uh be able to. um You know, apply some of these principles to so those are you know um those are kind of the things I've seen um and also how young it still is right it.

B

You know it's fast moving right, open, get ups, um you know the get ups thing it's fast moving and there's still a lot of things that we need to solve. Like andrew's um um presentation about like managing secrets, they're, you know we're still kind of arguing about. You know when I say argue, I don't mean like in the mean sense right, like I mean we're just like more in the discussion sense right, like we're still trying to figure out like how do we manage secrets?

B

um You know that those discussions are still happening because it's it's still to do it effectively in an automated way is, is a challenge right. I don't know if andrew, if you have any um other other thoughts about what you saw, or you know about the secrets in general,.

C

Yeah I mean this is probably the second time that I've spoken it get off con around secret management and just keeping things secure, and what I've seen is that the tools are starting to evolve. Not only are they starting to harden, you know, get no more features but they're, starting to actually reduce the number of tools that people are using. You kind of throw some things on the dart board and some things will stick. Some things won't stick. Some things are finally starting to stick and now we're getting some patterns that make the most sense.

B

Yeah, so I.

A

Yes, yes and andrew folks, I would like to remember that andrew is also out or on a book talking about secrets. uh uh The author is mending, so I think is uh you know it's a good uh spot on talking about secret and git ups, that that was interesting christian. I think what you said the um it's very also interesting like how do you join infrastructure as a code like terraform or acs acm, sorry with git ops that is and one of the hot topic and the other. Our topic, of course, is secrets.

A

So I'm I'm glad you had the opportunity to discuss about the talk about it with the community at the github con.

D

Yeah so uh another question uh I would have so yeah secret secrets. Management is definitely a very hot topic and thank you guys for making it uh a bit clearer, because uh um I remember that that was one of the like early questions. Okay, if we need to store everything in the git repo, then how are we gonna store like confidential data or secrets, et cetera?

D

So one of the the questions I I have is um so when you saw people doing get ups uh are are this so of course everybody has been relying on ci cd for the last years uh when they switch to get ups. How do they sort of combine the two approaches?

D

So let me give a very specific example, and then you guys tell me what you saw so, for instance, when you deploy an application, the traditional way, one of the things that you do is you are going to run tests and you are going to gather data from uh from the the application that you just deployed, for example in the staging environment, etc, and afterwards you decide if you want to to go ahead and deploy the application to production, environment or something so being able to like deploy, get data and then afterwards decide where, where you want to go or if you want to roll back, that's a very important topic.

D

So um how do guys do do that when they are doing get up so do they combine traditional ci cd with get ups? Do they have git ups driving ci cd, and is there such a thing? So you said that dynatrace are doing slo-based uh deployments through github's solutions.

D

Does that mean that they are able to plug in like a sort of hook where they say? Okay, I have deployed with argo, but now do all of those post deployment things and if they work fine, if they don't, then do something else still with the github solution. Very long question sorry, but yeah.

B

Yeah well yeah, basically,.

D

How do people combine githubs and ci cd.

B

So I I saw a good presentation uh given actually by a um I did, a cool presentation, but hillary really from um my co-host at uh get offs guide to the galaxy, but also she was my co-presenter.

B

um She spent a much of her life as a qa engineer right now, she's an sre here at red hat, and she did an amazing presentation about like pipelines and how pipelines are now.

B

um You know we think of pipelining as very linear right, but the truth of the matter is: is that um they're they're not very linear right so like they? They have the um you know these edges right where and um dependencies upon each other and um a lot of what I've. What I've been seeing with with get ops at least, um is that uh people are starting to put getups at the end of the pipeline, meaning, like the ci system, is still very much involved right.

B

It's so very much, and I think that that just comes from the traditional um you know things that we have with like with jenkins right or with cloudbees um or with. I forget. I forget what the other bamboo right, like you just have that traditional platform.

B

More of a platform than like a ci system, um then they're just kind of just start, putting the get ops at the end where they just um the ci system. Still is you know very much the same, whether you, whether it's very linear or whether you're like doing like you, know, 12, you know bran, you know pipelines at once that all depend on each other. um You know at the very end it ends with the git commit or with the pr somewhere, and then um the the controller acts on it right.

B

So whether it's argo or flux, but you know um um I've spoken to a lot of argo folks and so um the you know that's kind of like where people right now, where I see them start, there's very few who are um um doing things like like what what diana trace is doing with captain right with slos, where um the the information that you get right. The feedback that you get from those build processes are um the get.

B

Ops controller is more involved with those right where, where it's it's sitting kind of like in the middle right like we do a build, and then you know the get out, controller deploys to um development right and then there's like a there's a hook that then triggers yet another pipeline, whether you're using captain as the event bus or we're using like argo events as the event bus, you know to trigger other pipelines.

B

um Very few people are doing that, um but that's that that's really where, where where I see this is see this heading right. Where, like the hood, where I think personally, I think things like captain and argo events is going to play a bigger part in get ups workflows with respect to ci cd, because we're going to need some sort of event bus to be able to, um and and you know all that andrew speak on it a little bit just.

B

But my final thought is that, like you know, you have ci, which is, um which is a synchronous process and get ops is asynchronous right and like we need. We need a way to like start mapping. Those together.

D

Yeah exactly, and especially, if you are, if you want to do audit uh afterwards, and you want to reconcile oh so this triggered the deployment of this application. But actually this pipeline run where we did all the tests, etc.

D

Is what defined what happened, and it's I think very important to be able to, like um you know, have a reconciliation between the two so you're able to trace back what happened when you push your uh applications into.

C

D

Different environment.

C

What I'm seeing in a lot of organizations are that they're never going to change their pipeline. There's always going to be a ci tool. That's going to go through x, number of processes through the regulations, you name it. What we're doing as christian mentioned is just kind of adding on get apps to the end of it to handle just the deployment side, so they can go ahead and take advantage of all the benefits of get ops but still comply with all the regulations in their existing processes.

A

Right- and uh I was saying christian andrew that sorry, the t-shirt of jafar speak clearly, I think no there's.

B

A

No, it's a it's the con, but from by the two words and what andrew say is very interesting. Also, you know the compliancy, the governance. You have to be uh compliant to some policies. Some standards, that's a special standardization specification.

A

So um this is really interesting, and I'm wondering if that is uh in the uh kind of uh um in the um you know in the land of get. Ups of. That is also something that should be the uh should be outside get up so the governance, the the government, the secu, the security policy, uh it's a pure get up thing or should be also outside. So.

C

I I say it's both you're going to have policies that are going to be defined and applied via get out to principles, but you're also going to have all the reporting tooling that's going to be in there. In addition to it,.

A

B

Yeah, yeah and and um for kubecon, I'm already thinking about uh detroit right, kubecon detroit, the getups con good detroit I'd. I would like to see more of um you know what regulator like, like some of um um you know, some end users like um people working in like the health care system right or fsi, or um you know some other who's highly regulated, um says like what. How are they doing things and um things like policy as code right? So like we? You know, you know we, you know we have acs stack, rocks right.

B

That does a lot of that that policy um as code thing, we you know along with acm right like we have. I want to see more of the um you know just looking forward. I want to see more of that.

B

I didn't see that too much unless I missed the talk or two I was running around all day, so I don't know if andrew, if you saw any, but um I didn't see many talks based on like regulatory things right like the things that are, um um you know trying to do policy as code right like like the devsecops sort of you know.

C

You're gonna you're gonna see that a lot in probably the cloud security con, maybe not get up on, but there was stuff over there and I know there's this- the cncf security working group and continuous delivery working group that tackles a lot of those concerns and if you've heard of a a framework called salsa the secure supply subs.

C

I forget the acronym right now. It's really there to understand exactly how much providence you're able to have throughout your entire building deployment process. So you can attest all the steps that have been done.

B

I saw some talk about either. I think uh someone after I forget his name. uh Someone from google did a a talk about using get ops and open policy agent. um That was um I caught a little bit of that. That was actually really really interesting, but other than that yeah. I think andrew's right. I think most of that is um they're.

B

They they had their own their own conference right, like some of the security guys, I would like to see some more of that policy stuff um built into get ops, um and so so for those who are uh yes, slsa.dev.

B

um So I'd like to see more of those right so like for those who are watching if, um if you're thinking about what, what to submit for the next cfp of get ops con right, like um I'm part of the um um the uh the cfp committee, so I'll be, you know looking out for for things like that. I would like to see more of that, um because a lot of people came up to me and talked about security and policy as code and like how to implement those things.

B

So I think that's going to kind of be something else. That's going to be, you know, as as popularity grows. Obviously you know more people want to adopt it and more people want to adopt it. They have different use cases and I think a lot of the security stuff is going to start coming down.

A

So folks, if you want your chance to be selected in the in the next um github screen, please send uh you know this is a recommendation from the uh from for the people that are selecting the call for paper, so security policy governance. That's interesting point that that's a good one thanks christian for sharing it.

D

And so just regarding the thing, so it's like supply chain levels for software artifacts, which is basically how can we prove that whatever we have deployed is uh what was initially planned to be deployed, so you have um some sort of assurance about. Yes, uh this is the right artifact. It hasn't been tempered with it's the right uh version, uh etc, etc, and so, basically, depending on how many uh so there's like a compliance level and depending on how things are automated and how much audit you can audit.

D

Proof you can provide, you are going to attain certain levels in that matrix or in that ladder.

C

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C

Couple tools out there that can help with that is a tool called cosign which allows you to sign your container images. Sure uh techton change, which allows you to sign all of your build tasks in tecton, as well as in toto, is a framework for handling attestation. So three frameworks that you can look into on that.

D

And so the good thing is that we were speaking about like pipelines, gear ups, etcetera, and I think these things pre played pretty well with uh with the tecton and uh so with tectonic cosine, and you know, having everything wired together, uh allows you to to sort of uh build that proof.

D

uh So there's there's another topic, which is um so I can can't remem, remember the name now, but uh yeah, just one sec and.

B

C

D

Red hat is working on on on the pattern to showcase basically how you can provide that uh and attain a certain level of salsa uh using those tools like chains, cosine text on githubs, etc.

A

Yeah that's cool, and, while you you find the the link jafar I want just. um I wanted to talk about. Also the community christian and andrew. I know you are part of a github community. Andrew is part active part of the six store security uh community. So uh how is the community? Let's talk about the community role? How how did you met this community? How people can join your communities and start contributing about it.

B

Yeah, so the um so open get ups right. So the um the the theme in the beginning, we had um an opening from our co-chairs right again, that's dan garfield, uh scott rigby and chris short, um you know to talk about. You know we talked about how um where you know where, where we started, where we are now right and then chris short did the closing of you know where we're going and how to get involved right and so a lot um um you know. First, it was really cool to see.

B

Like you know, I was going back and forth from different. You know we had two two tracks right, so I was kind of jumping back and forth trying to trying to catch as much as I can one. It was cool to see that everyone um included the principles as part of their um part of the presentation right. So not everyone did it, but I got enough did it to where I noticed I'm like that's, that's pretty cool.

B

So, like you know, you know a lot of the work that that we did and um but um you know, having uh more involvement more of these use cases right um and um you know we have the the principles, but the principles are versioned right, and so, um as this evolves as we get more use cases, we may need to tweak some words right. We may need to you know, um um you know include weird. You know, use cases that we never thought were were possible.

B

So I think that um you know going to uh you know you put the link there open, getups.dev and um getting involved with um you know. If you can make a meeting, you know we have a you know. We we meet twice a month right, um sometimes we have people come and just present to us. It's like hey, you know we did this cool thing or hey. You know I'm having this trouble, like you know, trying to map.

B

You know, get ops to my use case right, and you know this is kind of what the trouble that I see you know. Sometimes it's just people just talking about like the troubles um and so um um also, if you can't make those meetings. I know I understand, like it's it's hard to find a time that works for the world um right to to meet right, but we we try our best to meet. um You know it's uh if you can't do that.

B

We do a lot of stuff, asynchronously right, so obviously everything's on github, so you can find our github pages um on opengetoffs.dev right. There's a get involved, link there. So once you click get involved, there's all the information you need to get involved. What we're looking for is um you know to really um to really grow this to where you know we have you know people and- and you know, subgroups taking care of you know different assets, actually making it a uh you know: a vibrant community.

B

um You know a lot of this is a label of love so far from the co-chairs, and I and other people um that are regularly involved, but it'd be nice to have like an actual community, we're looking for people to submit things like validated patterns, we're looking for white papers right, we're looking for.

B

You know more of the architect side of side of things right so like if you don't, if you're, not a coder, that's fine right, if you're more of an architect that solved a particular problem, william caban from um you know the telco side, if you guys know, he's very heavily involved with like the architecting side of things and submitting things with respect to like architect, um you know validating patterns, white papers, um you know best practices is another one that people ask about.

B

Is you know some people always coming up to me is like what's the best practice? No, do you guys have anything with best practices for x right, it's like well! No, we don't, but if you, if you submit something, we'll definitely take a look at it, maybe you'll be the first one to submit something. So we really want people to get more involved with um you know with that side of things.

B

So I know personally, I can always use the help with with respect to, like um you know, eventing, and um you know, help with um you- know the social media things right now. It's just kind of like me doing it when I can but um yeah. So it's it's. uh The community is great from um that backgrounds, crazy backgrounds.

B

So now we're just kind of looking for more people to submit some of those ideas, not just as a cfp, but also as the um you know, as as a best practice right or a validated pattern, or something out there right like an architectural design. um So.

C

So from the security side uh like for project sig store, one of the biggest challenges is that most people didn't sign content until recently, the solar winds, the other supply chain vulnerabilities. It really, you know shine the light to oh, we need to understand the entire process of build to deployment and understanding where that came from so having that providence. So, tools like cosine have come up recently. As you know, you start with number one, which is basically sign the container image.

C

That is basically the bread and butter of any kubernetes openshift environment, but we're going beyond that we're going to other things like we want to sign. You know npm packages, uh there's a presentation in the community called yesterday for six store on maven, there's now a maven plugin for a co-sign. So you can sign your your jars as part of your maven builds and then being able to attest those.

C

You know publishing up content to recore the transparency logs so that anyone can understand exactly where that came from validate the signatures and just seeing not only the adoption in the community, but just the space exploding. I mean we're here at kubecon, and security is probably one of the top three items out there.

A

Thanks for I think this is very interesting because at the end this is an community event. All the clown net community uh um come into the venue and talk about all the open source project. That's great brainstorming, a great way to network and connect and and and create those community. That's why I was doing it that question, but folks it looks like githubscon was really successful.

A

I know that uh there are also other co-located evan. There was, for instance, uh k native khan and other uh co-located evan. There was openshift commons uh to also where we talk about talking about the architecture christian. They showed lots of architecture with openshift and also geo-replicated high availability.

A

But uh what I wanted to talk about today, since we are at kubecon, I like to talk about also on what is the red dot present at kubecon, together with you and putting the link in the chat, let me share in the screen what this is that the the landing page from red dot? So if you like to know what what is the red at present that kubecon europe 2022 uh you, you can go to this page and you see we will have two keynote session.

A

um We love connor, gorman and also we'll have josh berkus, which is another community champion here and uh and kubecon uh joining them uh the keynotes, and then we have uh some questions some uh sessions. Of course uh we are proud sponsor of co-located evander so get gone. We talked, we talked about it up soon and I I don't know why getups is highlighted, but I like it, um so you know more emphasis on gear ups, uh as we were saying gitobscon, it was successful. We we heard about it.

A

There was christian there as a speaker and also andrew. Was there a speaker. um There was a clown native security con and k native con, we're sponsored on those collocated events. uh We're supported also the cloud native reject, which is the the conference for people that has not been selected for the kubecon, but there they can do you know uh those uh they can join this event. um There was service mesh con, of course, and you know today we kick off all together.

A

That's the reason of the show: we're kicking off kubecon happening valencia from today. We have some session about, you know cryo and, for instance, uh we have a session about help. I know andrew is very active in the elm community as well. So it's uh it's a it's. In fact, I see how uh andrew talking uh having this this pitch here so andrew. How many speech you have a tube cone.

C

I have two the two total, which would be the one con that we talked about earlier and then the one you just showed on the screen, which is uh the helm. Maintainer talk talking about the current initiatives of helm as well as where we see the project going as well as getting folks involved. If they want to contribute, remember everything is open source. You want to get the community to help us move the ball forward.

A

That's fantastic, as you see you can be a speaker or multiple tracks, multiple events or you can just join the community to brainstorm with the community. If you see here, there's a other interesting talk, you can sign up which, uh for instance, serverless with kedah securing kubernetes. Also I'm noticing andrew security is becoming more and more central to the talks, because there's there's this need of security. There's a lot of automation, christian right now, or get ups and infrastructure as a code, but hey what about the security?

A

We have also to control that- um and I see I see this, um so this is the list you can see. uh Of course you can go through the day uh today, tomorrow and friday.

A

We close up with other talks, but also I would like to talk about the the booth christian I know you are will be uh at the booth yeah at the github booth and read that booth uh we have our presents, and can you folks talk about us uh what what we're gonna to do at both so why people should join the red dot, booth.

B

Well, so um so I'll be actually at two booths, like you said I'll actually be at the argo contributors booth. um So um you know if you're in the open source, because it you know for those of you who haven't been to kubecon, um there's uh an open source section right with all the projects have kind of like their booths I'll be at the argo one um actually in an hour, so um I'll be there.

B

So if you guys are on your way over there uh swing by the booth I'll talk about, um you know, argo argo project and get ups I'll, also talk about open get up. So if you guys want to, um you know, talk about getting involved, um you know either way with those two projects I'll be there at the red hat booth. I will be there um uh all.

B

You know all three days here um at the booth um in during the um afternoon right so around lunchtime until like early afternoon, I will actually be doing demos live demos at the red hat booth, so you should come by the red hat booth. Oh.

A

B

Live demos right I have. I have. I have three demos that I'm gonna do um so um um um I think you have one there. It's like, I think it's around 2 p.m. 2.

A

P.M: let's check: let's put the shirt on.

B

C

You have one around two on pull requests. I know I'm the master of ceremonies for that. One.

B

Yeah, so um so yeah, so I have. I have two two demos there right. um You know uh tomorrow I'll talk about get ops, repost structure. um I have opinions about reprostructure right. I always I you know. I think it's always conway's law with reaper structure, but everyone keeps asking how to get started. So fine I'll do I'll. Do one, how I would do it how I would get started. At least um you know, sometimes it's easier just to kind of just follow the recipe.

B

So I I totally get it um so you'll see my opinion on repost structure and then I will do testing pull requests with get ops right. This is going to be a challenge because I only have five minutes, and so um I will I I will have another espresso uh before um before before.

C

The the uh but it's all automated christian, you just press the button, and it goes right.

B

It's exactly right so um so that five minutes should be more than enough um and so um yeah so stop by the booth I'll be there in the afternoon and I'll also be doing um after you know. After um after work in the booth, I will um do demos there so come by the booth, say: hi right um I'll talk about anything, get ups, uh anything kubernetes right.

B

If you're talking about like um java or corkus, I may point you to daniel, oh, who will be there as well, um but other than that yeah come come, say hi. I I love talking to um end users. I love you know. Andrew knows this andy andy also loves. You know geeking out with others. So um yeah come by I'll, be there.

A

Yeah, that's the way, I think it's a fantastic opportunity for networking. You should definitely go to the booth and say hi and connect, because this is how community grow know how how you make the community. How do you make the connection um just a quick question? Kristen there's also here application sets.

B

Oh yes, yeah the applications. That's that's mine. um Application sets for everything, I'm a red hat, so fun fun fact so. Application sets is a part of argo cd. Now it's like part of argo, so you install ergo cd, it's it's upstream. It's part of the the core. If you're using application sets you're using the hard work of the red hat, engineering and engineering came up with application, sets and donated it to um the argo project, argo cd. So now that's part of it.

B

So I'm a big proponent, obviously for for application sets to um you know, like andrew said, you know, everything's automated, you can even automate the automation so um and uh stop by I'll. Show you how to do that with application sets.

A

Awesome java, it looks like we're missing lots of stuff being not being there in valencia. Here look look at this shadow wow yeah. We can join virtually and everyone can join virtually the conference, but the man to be there. Wow yeah.

D

Yeah, that's amazing! I I actually have a virtual access, so I'm gonna try to to see some of those stuff and- and we also have a virtual booth for oh, yes, the the path to get ups uh that I will be also moderating with our githubs product manager and someone from engineering.

D

So yes, if you want to join us, join us for a friendly conversation, please feel free to log in to the virtual booth and we'll be there.

A

Fantastic, we have also the virtualboard thanks jafar for reminding, if you would like to hear more all about gear ops with jafar and siamak. Our pm, please join uh today, 1 30 uh pm uh and also if you would like to hear about stack, rocks or podman another popular, and you know for christian andrew I'm seeing podman uh getting getting more and more popular because it's uh now it's measured. What do you think about.

B

Well, I like so what what's what's great about uh um podman I saw something yesterday I haven't gotten a chance to read it. So the though um so I can't give you a lot of information about it, so you guys have to search that the pod man now runs on freebsd.

B

So um so I, like the um um you know, having um the maturity of podman and um the the open source right. So, like red hat, you know, obviously podman is, um you know, started by by red hat, but it's an open source project. It's um you know it. You know people have been running it on debian right. I've been running it on now. Now you can run it on like mac os right, there's, podman machine. They connect right. uh Sorry, podman, desktop right that you can run um you know on on on.

B

You know either your m1 or your intel mac. uh Now it's on freebsd as well. So that's that's! That's that's kind of crazy! It's on.

A

B

um And so you know now it's it it's it's great to be. You know see it. You know in his development right, give all my complaints, slash feedback and then like see it grow. Like oh, okay, you know we'll you know. Do that improvement. um You know.

B

Even you know, we've all been around open source for a long time, but it still kind of blows my mind where you know I can like give feedback and then it becomes a feature or they fix something, because you know I gave feedback and I, like the um I like the fact that, with with podman like I, don't even have to think about the runtime anymore right before it's, you know everything was like all about. um um You know. Building you know, containers using that. um You know you know.

B

Originally it was just docker that that you can use right, and so now, with um you know, with a container runtime interface right like it's, it's kind of like okay like now, you can have like a generic way to to build containers, and you don't have to really think about the runtime right. So, like I built something with podman, I can run it on. um You know uh docker uh docker, swarm right like I can you know, or I can build something on on docker and run it on pod man.

B

It's you know it's um it's nice to like not be able to have to think about the runtime right with podman. So um there's been a lot yeah a lot. A lot of the the one that caught me off guard was the bsd one, I'm like okay. Well now I have to install bsd and test it out.

A

B

Oh because I just now I'm just curious, I'm like oh okay, I want to see if I can um build build something on bsd.

A

I'm curious about mac and windows with podman, I guess with windows. Maybe it's the wsl too probably.

B

um I don't I don't know, actually I think it works. Actually, no so podman desktop actually works like like docker desktop right. Oh.

A

Okay, it's a virtual machine, yeah.

B

Yeah, so it's similar functionality, basically a virtual machine that is abstracted from you. um You know and you're running your your your containers and it you know it kind of, looks and feels like you're running it locally, um but you know you're running it through um sockets to the virtual machine, so yeah, um so you can run it on wsl. I've ran it on wsl before, um but um now it's like you know, podman desktop is like you think of docker desktop right.

B

It's like the same thing, so you have a way to to manage um uh a pod man right like the same way as you would docker right. So that's.

A

That's right, yeah, that's great news for developers. No! That's.

B

User experience is important right so, like you want to have that same experience, they want to have that same. You know you want to be able to do alias stalker, equal spot man and just kind of just or you know, padman equals. You know like you, you want to be able to do the alias and just like forget about it.

A

Right right, so um we have seen lots of good stuff happening today. So kubecon starts at 10. 00 10 am they're, the keynotes is gonna start right now. Andrews is already ready to oh.

B

Look at it, yeah he's ready. There.

A

Man on the street right- that's really journalism. You know.

C

Journalism yeah, that's.

B

C

A

B

C

I got to have another career aside from you know, being a tech guy.

A

Yeah there you go yeah yeah, that's fantastic! So how.

C

D

You gonna fight both.

A

D

Do you understand.

A

And I t why not so cubicon is starting really soon. I I wanted also to ask you folks what about the uh I know, keep going is also fun for parties. Is there any party you're gonna be there for something? Is that any.

B

Fun andrew I got invited to ten things, so I need to figure out what I'm gonna. Do I don't know andrew. I don't know what you've there's like always.

C

Stuff going on, there's always stuff going on and there was actually an event yesterday with all you mentioned the large red hat presence here at kubecon, we got a whole bunch of us get together. We had a great time, it's really just, but with the pandemic, a lot of us haven't seen each other, especially those you know like myself from the us coming over to emea. We haven't seen people in two years, so this is not only. This is probably the first. You know real big event that people can go to versus.

C

You know la it was kind of people were kind of, but this is really especially those in europe. This is one where a lot of people are really making a presence.

B

Yeah, that's great. It's um I know harnessed had a happy hour. Aws is having something there's like like andrew said: there's a ton of red hatters like we do things ad hoc right like we're.

B

Still it's so you know red hat's, still red hat I I know a lot of people have been say that because of the ibm thing, but I can still write like we kind of just do things ad hoc, we're like let's go here: fine yeah, let's all eat and like 60 people show up and so, which I think kind of scares a little. um um The restaurants here in europe uh when, like a large party like that, shows where, where in the us we're used to, like you know showing up in large, you know large.

C

B

Yeah for 200., okay, sure, like you know, let's take over a bar, but um here you see the eyes open up at you know at the end yeah. I know we have everyone's here, um but it's always fun. It's always fun here I I do um you know the everyone says fomo right.

B

So, if you're missing out on twitter right like oh, I have fomo, because I see everyone posting and it's like it's yeah, it's real like if it's you know here, there's always a kubecon the whole week with the day, zero events with the contributor summit with kubecon itself, with uh the events like you know, there's events around kubecon right like there's, always something to do and at a place here like valencia.

B

um It's it's great. It helps. I speak the language too, everyone's having me uh uh be an interpreter there. So if we're ever in france jafar I'm gonna, I'm gonna stick to you as well. So uh italy well I'll, stick to you! uh Natalie yeah.

C

Keep your friends close, keep your friends close. That's.

B

Right, that's great.

A

Folks, you have to come back uh to europe as soon as possible. It's uh it's great to have you here, I'm looking forward to meet you. Finally, in again in person, I think we met last time at the some tech exchange or.

B

Last time, which was like I don't know four or five years ago,.

A

B

Yeah, you were, you were still in sa right like right.

A

You were both, we were both like. We were able to say yeah.

B

These are still both that say, yeah so anyways. um You know back when we were younger.

A

Yeah yeah yeah when we work younger.

D

And so the funny thing with christian is, uh I think we had our kickoff meeting since I I had recently joined uh his team.

D

I mean we were in the same team and uh we had our yearly kickoff and then, like few months ago, or even weeks afterwards, the pandemic kicked off.

B

And never saw each other again yeah. We saw.

D

So it's been like yeah more than two years and uh yeah. Of course we were supposed to to meet uh to meet much more than that, but uh I it feels like we we've, uh we've known each other very well, thanks to modern stuff, like you know,.

B

Yeah yeah thanks thanks for texting all.

A

The video conferencing.

D

And stuff like that, thanks.

A

Openshifttv for connecting us worldwide.

B

Yeah exactly so, I um I told natalie like I, I actually um need to get going because of the um because my hotel's far away from the event, so I actually have to take a take a cab, um and so um I do want to bring up one more thing. um I guess I'm always busy with events. um Argo con is oh um I'll put that in the chat here. Yeah cfps are still open, they're going to be open for another couple weeks. Argo con um argo con is going to be a hybrid event.

B

So if, if you can't make it in person, don't don't don't panic, um we're going to um hey? There's daniel, oh hey,.

C

B

Right see there, you go live journalism right. I love it. I love it. That's.

A

Fantastic fantastic.

B

A

B

Argo con um will be in the bay area, um and so, but if you can't make it person, it's gonna be virtual right. It's going to be completely hybrid, I'm also planning um in the planning committee there. So please submit all your argo talks right, so not just argo cd but like if you're doing something with rollouts. If you're doing something with events workflows right like any argo project, a tool set um cfps are still open.

B

So whether you want to do a virtual one um or you're going to be there in person all right I'll, be there in person, um I'm trying to get natalie to get to get out so.

A

Because the venue christian is the computer history museum, no.

B

Computer history, museum in a mountain view, so um you know so if you're going to be in the bay area anyway might as well come on down. um You know it's going to have uh you know it's a three-day event right. It's gonna have a day zero. You know uh the actual event and then there's gonna be some day two stuff. um You know post event, workshops and things that we're gonna do um so yeah. So anyways.

C

Also important for those, since we are here at kubecon and cncf, the cfps for cncf kubecon, the fall in detroit close next sunday. Oh surprisingly, so if you are in the interest to get out to kubecon, get those cfps in do currently next sunday 29th, there.

A

You go thanks for the reminder, andrew, so please send your cfp to argo, con and cubecon, because it's uh it's closing uh very soon. uh It's an opportunity to be there and join this community. uh Very, very, very cool. So christian before you leave I'd like to make a little reminder that people that, like are interested on githubs and all topic, can go to developer.com.

A

We have a topic page and you know christian is writing a book about git ups he's going to publish it very soon. So if you go to the website you you can be, you can download the book. uh We will announce it, of course, but please stay tuned on developers.com for all githubs and all clown native. So um I really thank you christian for and andrew to to be with us today.

A

It was really really fun.

B

You know it was great. I like andrew's man on the street. I think I'm gonna.

C

B

I don't, I might have to incorporate something like that for my stream, like it's, it's really, it's really cool to have. uh You know to see him like go into the venue and then like meet people like live.

A

Meeting people yeah.

C

You know well, I wanted to make sure it wasn't a virtual background. I mean this is actually real people in 3d. I swear.

D

Yeah, we don't see people coming out running.

B

D

The the room, the conference rooms and stuff like that, like yeah yeah, exactly.

B

And then you'll be covering.

D

B

Yeah exactly with the microphone, what do you think.

A

So, thank you. Thank you very much.

D

A

D

Go spread the word yeah yeah awesome.

A

B

A

Word if you want to meet christian, uh go to the booth, read that book for all the awesome demos, you're gonna, meet, also andrew, and now we're gonna close up the episode with all the appointment uh jafar we have uh also lo today this week is cubecon, but we have also some of the appointment for the show and openshift tv. um We will come back next week uh again here on the upper shift coffee break um in the shadow.

A

What we have now uh is uh another uh episode uh where we we talk about um the red attack fest office hour, so we will have a on a monthly base. um We have the red attack, fest talking about red edge technology, uh of course, podman and openshift. uh We will have that we will. We will have them uh on the show next wednesday 10 a.m. Jafar will come back to 10 a.m. um I don't know if today jafar, there are other openshift tv shows because of cubecon.

D

There's the the level of our uh saying same time, uh where we will be speaking about rail nine. Also, I won't be there because I'll be covering kubecon stuff, but uh yeah. Please feel free guys to join on the openshift tv stream uh and, of course, uh check the the schedule. There's a lot of stuff happening.

A

Fantastic, a final reminder: if you like to try kubernetes yourself for free, please go to the developer sandbox for openshift. You have a free, open shift, multi-tenant cluster, where you can try to deploy your applications and try kubernetes for free on the cloud. We've read that openshift developer sandbox. uh Thank you. Everyone have fun in valencia as alos dax, saying, uh bush and tooth come out, say nice t-shirts. So uh he likes uh that shirt. I think jeff r1 is really nice and also uh christian. You showed the open get ups, one!

A

Oh, that that's that's really cool! So thank you. Everyone for joining today, please stay connected today, we'll we will have kubecon and uh virtual booths and all kinds of stuff uh stay tuned and uh uh see you next wednesday. Ciao.

D

Thank you very much, bye-bye.

A

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