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From YouTube: Education SIG (July 27, 2022)
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Meeting minutes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lt8uGpiMFfgws8VF36xtTMaJAeHufha-7Dqz1tjrPGY/edit
B
Yes,
awesome.
Thank
you
very
much,
all
right,
hello,
everybody
and
welcome
to
as
crow
puts
it.
The
best
sig
group
education
sig.
He
is
away
on
a
boat
today,
so
I'll
be
running
the
meeting
and,
let's
see
we'll
give
just
another
minute,
I
think
recordings
on.
So
that's
good.
Let
me
get
the
link
to
the
agenda
there
in
the
chat.
B
B
All
right,
so
I've
take
a
look
at
the
agenda.
I
talked
with
kroge
a
little
bit
last
week
before
he
left.
We
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
re,
the
proposed
revisions
that
have
been
discussed
in
the
previous
meetings
to
the
overall
education
plan.
So
we'll
talk
about
that.
If
anyone
else
has
any
additional
opens
or
topics
that
they
would
like
to
discuss
at
the
meeting
today,
please
go
ahead
and
add
those
items
to
the
opens,
and
we
will
certainly
make
time
to
talk
through
any
of
those
before
we
get
started.
B
B
All
right,
I
do
I'm
not
aware
of
any
cig
or
worker
business
that
we
need
to
discuss
beyond
the
new
mailing
list.
Hopefully,
everyone
received
an
email
with
that
information.
I
believe
it
was
last
week
vicki,
I'm
gonna
ask
you
you
seem
to
be
plugged
in.
Is
there
anything
we
need
to
talk
about
from
the
work
group
or
the
sig
perspective
before
we
move
on
to
the
plan.
B
All
right,
along
with
the
information
on
the
new
main
list
there
is,
we
are
asking
for
anyone
who'd
like
to
contribute
suggestions
for
changes
to
the
readme
file.
The
link
is
there
in
the
second
bullet
under
opens.
I
know
my
my
partner
in
crime
judy
put
a
pull
request
in
there
with
some
suggested
changes.
So
if
anyone
has
any
additional
changes
or
suggestions
for
the
readme,
please
go
ahead
and
take
a
look.
What
we've
got
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
those
changes
and
determine
what
we're
going
to
do
with
that.
E
I'm
actually
replying
to
that
right
now
in
the
comment,
I
would
stick
a
great
big
pin
in
that
one.
Considering
all
of
the
there's
a
whole
lot
of
governance
stuff
happening
the
tap
right
now
and
it's
everything
is
up
in
the
air
for
many
different
reasons.
So
anything
that
is
based
upon
any
sort
of
template
governance
documents
I
would
wait
on,
but
if
we
just
want
to
come
up
with
our
own
mission
statement
that
we
can
then
put
into
other
documents,
such
as
a
sig
charter,
or
anything
like
that.
D
Sorry
about
that
folks,
oh
one
like
that
yeah,
I
I
didn't
know
we
could
buy
I'm
gonna
type
it
in
binary.
Thank
you
thanks
for
pointing
that
out.
Actually
I
went
through
a
couple
of
working
groups
and
act
just
the
one
paragraph.
The
mission
statement
is
what
seems
to
be
filled
out
even
on
the
working
groups.
The
rest
of
the
template
seems
to
be
the
same,
but
I
think
mission
and
vision
would
be
really
good
for
us
to
nail
down
that
early
stages.
So
thanks
yeah.
E
B
So
what
krobe
did
last
week
is?
He
took
all
the
notes
that
we
had
from
the
previous
couple
meetings
where
we
talked
about
the
plan
and
areas
of
that
we'd
like
to
see
revised
or
changed
or
added
to
he
put
that
into
a
table
which
in
google
docs
as
we
all
are
aware,
it's
not
necessarily
an
easy
task,
but
he
got
it
all
put
together
in
a
table
and
he
showed
the
different
types
of
revisions
that
we
had
talked
about.
B
So
what
we'd
like
to
try
and
accomplish
today
is
just
go
through
and
start
reviewing
this,
hopefully
getting
some
some
general
approval
for
the
changes
that
have
been
suggested
or
cleaning
them
up
to
the
point
where
we're
ready
to
to
move
forward
with
them.
There's
some
additional
questions
that
he
put
into
the
comments
section
and
the
the
ultimate
goal
here
is
once
we
get
the
revised
version
of
plan
finalized
as
much
as
we
can
here.
B
We
want
to
start
putting
some
specific
tasks
around
certain
areas
and
then
assign
those
tasks
to
owners
to
begin
working
on
them
with
with
smaller
teams.
So
really
we're
trying
to
determine
the
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
and
some
of
the
how
and
then
once
we
get
these
higher
level
details
figured
out
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
getting
into
the
details
into
the
weeds.
B
B
B
B
All
right,
you're
welcome
cool
all
right,
so
the
first
thing
1.0,
the
goal
is
to
collect
and
curate
content
crop.
Had
a
question
on
this:
does
anything
in
one
two
or
three:
the
line
items
for
budgeting
in
sections
four
and
five,
and
then
anything
that
requires
someone
doing
something
volunteer
or
higher
should
have
the
resource
requests
and
the
hours
and
timeline
estimate.
B
C
B
B
Oh,
thank
you
judy.
Yes,
there
is
a
link
there
put
that
into
the
agenda,
so
we
have
that
available.
Thank
you.
Judy
all
right,
moving
down
to
section
1.2.1
hire
an
oer
librarian
to
manage,
coordinate
and
maintain
the
content.
Library
and
krobe
has
some
additional
information
in
here
about
the
budgeting
aspect.
Is
this
4.1?
What
does
that
mean.
B
Okay,
we'll
worry
about
that
when
we
get
down
there,
so
yeah
question
about
ftes
and
then
1.3.
We
have
some
our
first
changes
here,
so
1.3
focus
not
just
on
development
skills
and
techniques,
but
also
associated
skills.
Modern
developers
need
such
as
access
control,
testing,
validation,
how
to
build,
deploy
and
maintain
software
in
devsec
ops
scenarios
and
the
suggested
change
here,
which
is,
in
addition,
is
highlighted
in
green
in
the
middle
square.
B
He
did
he
was.
He
was
vicki.
He
was
a
pound
away
on
this
trying
to
make
sure
we
had
to
get
it
organized
before
before
he
left
so
hope
he's
enjoying
his
time
on
the
boat
and
he
certainly
earned
it
all
right.
I'm
going
to
mark
this,
as
I'm
gonna
say
approved
when
I
say
approved,
I
mean
all
the
folks
on.
This
call
have
therefore
agreed
to
it.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
official
group
process
is
going
to
be,
but
I
do
want
to
mark
that
we
did.
B
B
B
2.2
is
create
a
core
of
qualified
trainers
to
deliver
this
courseware
and
then
in
2.3.
We
have
an
addition
as
well.
We
talk
about
sponsoring
existing
or
creating
alternate
delivery
teams
for
educational
content,
podcasts
etc,
and
we
are
adding
a
specific
examples
of
gamification
and
learning
and
hackathons.
I
know
this
came
up
last
week
as
part
of
the
conversation
marty.
You
have
your
hand
raised.
D
D
C
Yeah
well,
I
do
want
to
say
I
mean
I
work
in
cyber
security
and
I
do
a
lot
of
training
around
linux
foundation
right.
There
is
a
need
for
more
security
trainer
for
open
source
at
those
conferences.
There
really
is
not
it's
a
bunch
of
like
pen,
testing,
sort
of
content
out
there
right
now
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
awareness
about
these
kinds
of
hacks,
so
I
do
think
we
should
be
out
there,
but
the
one
conference
that
I
don't
see
here
like
oss
is
good
but
kubecon.
C
B
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
copy
this
into
here
and
we
can
add
the
the
edition.
So
did
you
want
to
add
the
specific?
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
that
so
back
to
marta's
point.
What
does
anybody
else
think
is?
Is
there
a
sufficient
amount
of
crossover
when
you're
talking
about
developer
and
security
conferences,
or
should
we
just
highlight
developer
conferences
only
and
not
include
security
as
part
of
the
as
part
of
the
description
here,
vicky.
E
B
B
A
Yeah,
I
agree
on
that
being
a
good
start.
I
think
that
the
follow-up
to
that
would
obviously
be
doing
some
research
on
really
starting
to
build
this
out,
and
we
talked
about
it
being
more
of
a
phased
approach
and
potentially
having
a
series
of
education
that
follows
on
each
other,
so
it
becomes
kind
of
a
is
there
a
beginner
and
then
whatever
the
next
intermediate
type
of
thing
is
as
we
progress
that
we
can
start
having
more
than
one
offering.
E
And
I
will
add
another
comment
to
the
document,
so
you
don't
have
to
do
it
that
good
you're
doing
a
lot
of
typing
in
here.
I
do
you
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
we
are
doing
this,
we're
not
doing
this
in
a
vacuum.
We
are
far
from
the
only
organization
that
is
working
on
security,
let
alone
open
source
security,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
collaborating
not
just
steamrolling
over
everyone
and
pull
in
others.
B
Yeah,
that's
an
excellent
point
vicki
thanks
for
for
calling
that
out,
I
think
you're
100
right.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
identifying
how
we
can
use
this
group
to
to
drive
these
things,
but
we
absolutely
should
try
and
work
with
as
many
other
groups
organizations
as
possible
instead
of
stepping
on
their
toes
or
being
perceived
as
stepping
on
their
toes.
B
C
I
do
I
mean
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
be
covered
later
here,
but
like
the
model
of
getting
qualified
trainers
from
corporate
sponsorships.
Basically
right.
What's
your
domain
of
expertise,
it's
really
good
to
pair
those
with
things
like
sponsorships
for
the
participants
making
sure
that
there's
sort
of
a
you
know
a
corporate
access
point
beyond
just
the
training.
It
gets
better
engagement,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
gamify
them
in
some
way,
but
sure
that's
not
I'm
happy
with
this
language.
B
B
D
I
I
should
put
my
hand
up
sorry,
I
I
just
I'm
still
want
to
I'm
still
trying
to
understand
what
success
looks
like
for
us
like.
If,
apart
maybe
adding
into
our
our
mission
statement,
a
tag
onto
that.
You
know
what
exactly
does
what
does
it
mean
to
be
successful
from
in
a
year's
time
or
two
years
time
and
the
word
meaningful
partnership,
I
mean
what
what
does
that
mean
for
us
and
unclear?
Maybe
somebody
could
help
me.
B
I
think
judy
brings
up
a
good
point
and
I
again,
I
think,
we're
talking
it
at
a
high
level
right
now
and
I'm
not
sure
if
we
know
what
success
looks
like
for
for
this
and
for
several
other
of
the
plan
items
that
we
were
talking
about.
I
believe
that
should
be
one
of
the
first
things
that
we
work
on
once
we
start
digging
into
some
of
the
details
around
these.
I'm
not
sure.
That's
not
that's,
not
a
great
answer
to
to
your
question,
but
sal
you
had
your
hand
up
too.
D
B
And
I
saw
in
the
chat
as
well
sally
wanted
to
include
tribal
colleges.
I
copied
the
text
from
2.6
into
the
revision
column
if
you,
if
you'd
like
to
add
your
language
for
those
two
specific
areas,
I
think
they're
both
okay
and
I
don't
think
I
think,
by
naming
these
we're
we're
doing
our
our
due
diligence
by
communicating
what
our
intent
is.
But
I
don't
think
that
not
having
a
certain
type
of
institution
listed
on
here
is
going
to
limit
us
should
something
come
up
after
the
fact.
B
D
B
B
D
E
E
This
is
my
lpi
board
member
hat
on
here
again,
lpi
is
developing
and
is
rolling
out
a
a
new
process
for
translating
all
of
their
content,
and
they
are
already
rock
wide
and
already
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this.
So
it
could
be
that
we'll
be
able
to
leverage
some
of
their
work
to
help
internationalize
the
stuff
that
we
develop.
B
B
B
B
B
C
C
E
Vicki,
I
would
like
us
to
add
to
this
not
only
the
major
hubs
for
open
source
development
as
far
as
forges
such
as
git
lab
and
github,
as
are
listed,
but
also
the
major
the
major
foundations
for
open
source
development,
for
instance,
if
we
are
collaborating
with
apache
and
eclipse
and
openstack,
and
things
like
that.
I
think
that
will
make
a
big
difference
as
well.
D
C
D
C
It's
a
really
good
solution
in
open
source
right
where
people
either
have
full-time
jobs
or
they're
trying
to
learn,
but
it's
real
developer
time
and
it
has
real
value
to
corporations.
So
it's
it's
sort
of.
I
mean
we've
done
the
same
thing
in
cyber
security,
all
along
we're
just
doing
the
same
model
for
features
now.
B
B
D
C
D
C
C
Yeah-
and
I
do
want
to
be
careful
when
we
put
out
these
incentivizing
programs
in
open
source,
there
is
always
like
the
top
10
of
devs
that
sort
of
just
soaks
them
up
right,
they're,
quick
movers,
they
move
fast,
but
if
they
don't
share
that
knowledge,
we
get
poorly
maintained
systems.
So
we
need
to
bake
that
in.
B
All
right,
we'll
move
on
down
then
to
three
32
dot
a
as
far
as
so.
This
is
something
that
was
added
by
crop
as
far
as
scholarships.
I
know
there
was
conversations
around
scholarships,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
he
intended
by
having
a
separate
line
for
this
one
vicki
does
this
have
anything
to
do
with
some
of
the
funding
things
that
may
be
going
on
at
a
higher
level,
or
am
I
just
guessing.
B
D
D
C
E
I
think
she's
she
probably
she
may
mean
and
judy.
Please
please
correct
me
all
the
time
whenever
I'm
eyes
bro,
but
I
think
what
you're
thinking
of
is
the
the
linux
foundation:
training
where
you
do
get
badges
back,
oh
and
there's
yeah,
there's
any
and
mozilla
has
a
badging
system
and
lpi
has
a
badging
system
and
everyone's
got
badges
everywhere,
badges
for
everyone.
D
I
think
it
was
credibly.
Actually,
the
common
land
verified
skills
was
was
the
first
one
that
came
to
mind
but
yeah,
it's
somewhere,
you
can
store
your
badge
and
people
can
check
that.
It's
actually
verified
badge
rather
than
people
just
claiming
badges
or
making
up
badges.
So
we
need
some
place
to
verify
people's
badges
badges
for
everyone.
I
love
them.
Yes,.
B
E
C
Bit
yeah
I'm
working
on
this
right
now,
so
we're
like
halfway
done
already,
so
I'm
using
the
cyber
security
like
free
cert
that
david
made,
but
also
developing
a
sort
of
maintainer
track
along
with
that,
so
that
the
ends
can
meet
and
it
would
be
very,
very
cool
if
we
formalized
that
from
the
entry
program,
which
is
just
the
basic
cert
to
a
contributing
like
a
security
contributor,
someone
who's
verified
as
having
contributed
at
that
level
and
then
a
security
trained
maintainer.
We
need
those.
B
B
D
D
B
I
think,
even
within
other
countries,
you're
going
to
see
a
wide
variety
of
of
we
talk
about
colleges,
universities,
any
kind
of
academia
they
all
seem
to
like
to
do
certain
things
their
own
way.
I
think
this
is
a
this
is
a
excellent,
open
question
that
we're
going
to
need
to
figure
out
as
we
move
through
the
whole
process
of
section
three.
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
be
able
to
come
up
with
an
answer
for
that
right
now.
B
E
B
D
B
B
B
4.1.2
member
organizations
are
asked
to
contribute
existing
internal
sector
training
materials,
so
that
was
part
of
our
homework
was
to
determine
what
a
training
each
of
our
organizations
may
have
available
and
then
figure
out.
What
of
that
training
might
be
able
to
be
shared
out
and
used
for
this
purpose.
B
Cool
4.1.3
determine
venues
and
personas
that
content
will
be
created
for
and
delivered
to.
We
had
a
preliminary
conversation
about
this
last
week
on
how
to
approach
this
by
persona
by
skill
level.
I
think
we
talked
a
little
more
about
that
earlier.
There's
there's
different
audiences.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
speaking
to
when
we
create
these
materials.
E
B
B
All
right,
4.1.3.1
training
areas
of
focus,
so
we
had
higher
education,
trade
schools,
boot
camps,
professional
job
change,
training,
primary
secondary
education
managers,
trainers
and
maintainer
trainings.
This
was
part
of
the
brainstorm
that
we
did
last
week,
trying
to
figure
out
who
the
personas
might
be
again.
I
don't
necessarily
think
we
have
to
have
the
absolute
perfect
language
here
as
long
as
we're
displaying
our
intention.
This
can
this
can
be
adjusted
but,
based
on
what
is
written
here,
is
there
anything
obvious
that
we
are
missing
that
anyone
would
like
to
see
added
to
this
statement.
E
Obviously,
the
curriculum
will
fall
out
of
persona
and
their
specific
use
cases,
but
also
there
are
things
such
as
sal
pointed
out
earlier.
You
know,
cyber
security
should
be
a
a
priority.
Well,
what
does
that
look
like
for
primary
secondary
versus
no,
and
so
I
think
we
should
at
least
add
a
comment
which
I
can
do
to
make
sure
that
we
know
that
this
we
are
specifying
personas
here
and
we
are
not
necessarily
specifying
topic
areas
and
perhaps
we
want
to
add
another
line
for
topic
areas:
okay,.
D
D
Judy
lower
my
hand
before
I
forget,
I
was
just
actually
around
the
wording
primary,
it's
our
primary
the
same
as
middle
school.
I
know
in
ireland
this
could
be
different
in
you
know:
that's
middle
school,
lower
class,
which
we
deemed
our
scope
last
week.
I
I
just
put
a
link
into
where,
in
the
doc
we
were
talking
about
out
of
scope,
so.
B
E
Yeah,
that's
that's
typically,
university
is
secondary
education.
I
don't
have
kids,
so
you
know
I've
got
cats,
they
don't
go
to
school,
but
it
is
yeah
in
the
u.s.
Primary
education
is
typically
everything
before
high
school
and
then
you've
got
high
school
and
then
you've
got
secondary
education,
which
is
going
to
be
university
and
sal
has
got
their
hand.
Ups
off,
I
think
they've
got
more
information
on
this.
C
Yeah,
so
when
I
break
these
down,
I
usually
break
it
down
by
so
we
try
to
avoid
the
like
student
language
or
make
it
inclusive.
So
we
would
just
say
pre-career,
engineer,
early
career
engineer
and
then
developer
persona
right,
someone
with
a
job
and
when
you
break
it
down
that
way,
it
makes
this
a
lot
easier,
because
even
if
you
want
to
work
with
high
school
students,
doing
that
through
a
community
college
is
how
they
can
get
accredited
recognizing
education
in
the
space
right.
So
there's
lots
of
good
pathways.
D
B
E
I
think
we
will
still
run
into
some
issues
here,
because
the
way
you
present
information
for
what
in
the
us's
primary
secondary
is
going
to
be
different,
I
mean
their
pre-career,
that's
going
to
be
different
from
someone
who
is,
for
instance,
changing
careers,
and
so
they
are
still
different
groups.
Like
me,
yeah
pivot
pivoters,
I
mean
I
really
like,
but
sal's
breakdown
here,
but
I
think
we
might
need
to
break
down
pre-career
specifically
into
something
into
separate
suburbs.
Okay,.
A
A
Parents
don't
really
refer
to
anything
as
primary
school,
it's
elementary
middle
and
high
school,
and
when
you're
talking
to
parents
and
they're
trying
to
help
their
kids
pick
a
path
in
high
school
or
middle
school.
Or
what
have
you
they're?
You
know
that
it's
going
to
confuse
a
lot
of
non-developer
people
to
think
about
this
as
primary
school.
Or
what
have
you
in
this
in
the
us
anyway?
A
I
know
it's
different
overseas,
but
so
we
just
if
we're
going
to
call
these
things
like
pre-career
and
and
that
to
mean
like
education,
high
school
level
or
what
have
you,
which
may
at
least
in
the
u.s,
that
would
equate
to
something
like
an
ap,
an
advanced
placement
class
which
would
count
you
know
if
you
pass.
The
exam
would
count
toward.
You
know
college
credit,
because
there
are
engineering
pathways
in
most
high
schools
these
days.
C
Yeah,
I
think
I
mean
we
should
do
some
more
thinking
on
this,
but
ultimately
right
we're
tailoring
this
content
to
produce
specific
levels
of
engineers
right
and
when
we
think
about
that,
I
think
we
can
alter
these
personas
well,
but
really
that
pre-career
and
early
career.
That
kind
of
is,
if
like,
for
example,
the
pivoter-
and
I
see
this
in
my
like
seo-
accounts
through
my
own
content.
C
B
All
right,
so
thank
you
for
all
your
feedback
on
this.
I
I
this
is
something
we're
going
to
need
to
look
back
on.
So
I
put
a
note
in
here
that
we
need
to
clean
up
this
language
and
make
sure
that
we're
making
it
clear
both
inside
the
u.s,
as
well
as
outside
the
u.s.
What
the
intent
is
for
for
this
group.
B
B
C
E
Sal,
it
sounds
like
you've
done
a
fair
bit
of
work,
developing
training,
materials
yourself,
and
so
I
mean
I've.
I've
done
it,
but
not
quite
to
this
extent,
and
so
do
you
think
that
four
people
is
is
a
good
number
for
this,
or
is
it
too
high
too
low
you?
I
think
you're
gonna
have
a
really
good
feel
on
this.
C
Yeah,
I
mean
my
honest,
honest
answer
is
I
would
always
prioritize
digital
content
over
in
person
just
because
it
you
can
cover
more
people
and
it
propagates
in
time.
So
it's
magnitude's
more
valuable
for
the
time
return,
and
I
also
think
that
it
depends
on
the
events
that
you're
going
to,
but
typically,
if
you're
at
a
conference
and
providing
an
educational
component
right
like
the
pre-oss
education,
for
example,
you're
still
really
limiting
the
bandwidth
of
the
audience
to
who
has
like
basically
sponsorship
capacity.