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A
Alrighty,
it's
two
after
the
hour,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
some
more
folks
roll
in
welcome
to
the
july
20th
edition
of
the
best
sig,
the
education
sig.
Do
we
have
any
new
friends
to
the
group
that
wanted
to
introduce
themselves.
A
Doesn't
look
like
it
looks
like
it's
all
regular
cast
characters
today.
Can
anyone
assist
in
scribing
today,
please
I
can
help
you
subscribe.
Thank
you
david
appreciate
that
a
couple
opens.
I
am
going
to
be
out
next
week,
I'll
be
on
a
boat,
and
I
was
wondering
if
someone
is
interested
in
helping
run
the
call
next
week
and
if
not,
we
will
cancel
the
call.
So
does
we
have
any
volunteers
to
lead
the
call
next
week
I'll
help
you
get
things
set
up
if
that
is
an
enticement.
B
A
All
right,
thank
you,
sir.
So
pending
dave's
availability
we
will
either
hold
the
meeting
or
we
will
cancel
for
the
week
and
we'll
all
busily
work
on
homework.
Except
me,
I'm
gonna
be
on
a
boat.
D
Sir,
just
real
quick,
if,
if
dave
can't
or
we
have
any
significant
agenda
items
we
want
to
cover
next
week,
certainly
you
can
reach
out
to
me
as
well.
Oh
thank
you.
Eric.
E
A
And
gals,
with
the
assistance
of
khalid
and
jennifer,
I
got
all
the
sigs
were
involved
with
github
repos.
So
if
anyone
is
interested
in
helping
me
populate,
the
readme.md
prs
are
welcome
otherwise
I'll
get
around
to
it
in
my
spare
time,
but
that
that
having
this
filled
out
is
very
useful
for
new
people
trying
to
entice
them
in
to
participate
in
the
sig.
So
any
assistance
there
to
help
me
get
that
up
and
running
as
quickly
as
possible
would
be
super
helpful.
A
F
I
think
adopting
the
existing
stream
one
channel
makes
sense.
I
was
just
about
to
jump
over
there
and
see
if
there's
been
any
activity,
but
the
point
of
these
cigs
is
to
you
know,
take
those
over
is
to
carry
on
the
torch,
so
to
speak
from
from
those
projects.
You
know,
there's
been
nothing
there
since
june
15
so
go
for
it.
I
would
say
it's
right:
I
can
drop
the
link
to
it.
A
Yeah
I'll
get
I'll
check
with
jennifer
and
everybody
to
see
make
sure
everyone
is
provisioned
in
vicki.
B
I
actually
would
counsel
we
keep.
We
use
the
best
practices
channel
for
this.
Not
only
is
there
not
a
ton
of
traffic
there,
but
it
also
would
show
people
in
the
best
practices
channel,
who
aren't
a
part
of
this
group.
What's
going
on
and
kind
of,
entice
them
to
come,
join
us.
F
Even
yesterday,
post
some
things
there
about
about
the
fact
that
this
group
is
meeting
and-
and
I
think
they
should
be
notified
and
the
like.
So
that's
certainly
fine
as
well.
Does
this
sig
formally
get
you
know
set
up
by
the
best
practices
working
group
yeah.
F
Okay,
but
so
so
yeah,
I
I'm
neutral,
then
on
whether
it's
you
you
continue
using
the
streamline
security,
education,
slack
channel
or
the
wg
underbar
best
underbar
practices,
underwear,
osa's,
dev
channel
on
slack
either.
One
of
those
seem
fine,
but
yeah.
Just
trying
to
give
this.
A
All
right,
so,
if
you
have
other
additional
thoughts,
put
them
there
under
the
opens
and
that
way
we
can
make
a
decision
before
I
head
off
to
my
boat
and
get
a
note
over
to
jan
and
khalid
any
other
opens
for
today
before
we
proceed.
E
Oh
put
my
I'll
actually
use
my
hand
upwards.
I'm
not
quick
enough
to
use
the
handle
mark
hold
on.
E
I'm
just
wondering
that
this
is,
I
suppose,
only
our
third
meeting,
it's
early
days
for
this,
but
happy
a
recruitment
drive.
Are
we
happy
with
the
amount
of
people
that
we
have
to
drive
this
forward?
Do
we
need
having
a
gap
in
skill
sets
that
we
need
to
reach
out
to
people
and
see?
Can
we
get
them
on
board.
E
A
So
my
opinion
today
with
our
current
docket
of
work,
I
think
this
is
an
okay
amount
of
people.
We
are
refining
the
plan.
We've
got
a
lot
of
notes
and,
like
folks,
like
david,
are
out
he's
ill,
so
he's
out.
So
we
have
a
couple
other
people
that
have
participated,
marta
and
arnaud.
So
I
think
we
have
enough
people
to
help
chew
through
the
plan,
but
the
next
stage,
once
we
have
this
plan
and
we're
going
to
start
filling
in
details.
A
So
instead
of
create
training,
material
is
like,
what's
currently
in
the
plan,
we're
going
to
write,
create
training,
material
bullet
point
1
through
50
to
document
how
we're
going
to
do
that
and
we're
going
to
say
we're
going
to
do
blah
blah
blah
and
I'm
going
to
ask
for
people
to
commit
to
either
own
some
of
those
tasks
and
go
off
and
do
some
homework
with
individual
or
small
groups,
and
then
come
back
report
back
to
this
group
or
we're
going
to
look
for
people
to
go
off
and
try
to
help
enlist
additional
people.
A
So
for
the
long
term
judy
we
do
not
have
enough
folks
helping
out.
This
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
work,
worthwhile
work
and
you
might
note
there
was
a
meeting
at
the
u.s
white
house
yesterday
focused
on
cyber
security,
education,
and
I
know
at
least
two
of
the
speakers
talked
about
this
working
group.
F
Yeah,
my
boss,
jim
zemlin,
was
there.
I
don't
have
a
report
back
other
than
to
say
it
was.
I
don't
know
that
there
was
anything
concrete
that
came
out
of
that
meeting.
So
I'll
try
to
see
if
I
can
get
a
better
report
back
from
either
either
him
or.
G
F
David
and
I
or
or
clyde
superstar,
who
runs
training,
certainly
lots
of
interest
in
in
what
we're
doing
here
and
in
general,
in
the
open
source
space
around
education.
But
I
hope
we
can
tap
some
of
that
energy
for
for
funding
and
for
new
participants
in
this
working
group
and
the
like.
So
so,
that's
a
loop
that
is
on
david
and
I
to
try
to
try
to
close
and.
A
And
my
boss
was
in
the
room
she
actually
had
a
seat
at
the
table,
which
was
she
was
so
excited,
took
a
picture
of
her
card
and
sent
to
me.
So
she
was
super
enthused
about
it,
and
I
felt
there
was
a
lot
of
good
energy
and
yeah
like
back
at
open
ssf
day.
I
talked
with
the
two
gentlemen
clyde
and
the
other
fella
from
the
lf
about
the
training.
So
I
think
we'll
be
enlisting
additional
people
and
I
think
there'll
be
external
folks.
A
That
will
have
hopefully
a
lot
to
contribute
and
donate,
like
I'm,
I'm
talking
with
trying
to
find
the
right
contacts
within
intel
to
see
about
donating
our
intel,
secure
development
training,
either
as
a
resource
for
this
group
to
refer
to
to
write
new
content
or
as
a
direct
donation.
A
To
the
effort
possibly-
and
I
know
I
think
arno
was
gonna-
talk
within
ibm
about
maybe
doing
something
similar
because
ibm
has
a
really
well-developed
energy
security
education
program
internally.
So
we're
going
to
see
if
there's
opportunities
for
other
member
organizations
to
contribute
material
but
yeah.
If
you
have
any
friends,
anyone
that
you
see-
that's
not
on
our
list
here
today
feel
free
to
invite
people,
because
we're
going
to
have
quite
a
long
laundry
list
of
things
we
want
to
achieve,
and
we
need
to
have
people
to
help
make
that
successful.
G
A
Hey,
thank
you
yeah.
I
better
ask
anyone
that
works
at
a
large
organization
that
has
security
development
material,
see
even
if
it's
just
shown
to
us
as
a
reference.
That
would
be
helpful,
so
we
can
understand
what
we're
missing
today
and
where
we
need
to
focus.
I
know
I'm
going
to
talk
to
a
delightful
friend
of
mine
about
maybe
donating
some
threat.
Modeling
training.
A
A
Then
the
third
area
of
focus
is
we
need
to
think
about
the
content
delivery
channels.
We
ultimately
want
to
start
shaping
this
material
into,
so
we
have
the
two
classes
that
david
put
together
that
are
in
now
three
formats.
So
that's
one
type
of
content:
delivery
mechanism.
We
have
skf
the
security
knowledge
framework,
which
is
a
hands-on
keyboard
type
training
avenue.
A
So
let's
think
about
how
we
want
to
provide
these
classes
or
materials
as
we
develop
them.
So,
let's
focus
on
the
learner
personas.
A
I
scribbled
down
a
handful,
and
I
forgot
one
that
if
david
was
here,
he'd
yell
at
me,
why
can't
I
edit
the
document-
that's
weird
well
I'll.
Ask!
Maybe
david
can
help
me
other
david.
Could
you
put
on
that
empty
bullet
managers.
A
D
Yeah
I'll
give
my
two
cents
here,
yeah,
I
think
initially
initially,
a
core
curriculum
for
universities
would
certainly
be
an
an
easy.
Well,
maybe
not
so
easy,
because
you
have
to
get
them
to
adopt
it,
but
I
mean
at
least
an
area
where
it's
already
prevalent
is
a
sideline
to
cyber
security.
For
some
degree,
plans
might
be
a
good
focus,
but
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
stop
there
right.
D
So
I
mean
my
son's
enough,
my
son's
in
high
school,
so
you
know
they
have
engineering
groups
in
his
high
school
clubs.
You
can
join.
They
have
a
very
specific
path
of
education,
even
in
high
school.
So
I
think
the
curriculum
for
both
of
these
places
would
be
the
first
step
in
my
mind,
but
and
that
curriculum
you
know,
that's
that's
the
one
thing,
but
I
don't
again.
D
I
think
that
the
stem
for
underrepresented
groups
should
be
the
equally
important,
which
I'm
sure
someone
else
will
talk
to
here
in
a
second
but
but
absolutely,
I
think,
it'd
be
an
easier
win
to
try
and
get
this
adopted.
You
know
more
globally
and
more
recognized,
especially
given
the
government
kind
of
funding
and
everything
else.
D
A
Thank
you
before
I
move
on
to
judy,
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
develop
this
core
content.
You
know,
starting
with
what
we
have
from
david's
work
and
then
tailor
that
to
the
specific
learner
audience
so
somebody
that
is
a
seasoned
developer
like
I've
been
developing
for
25
years,
for
example,
they
probably
can
skip
over
some
of
the
basics.
Probably
they
might
want
to
take
it
as
a
refresher,
but
we
might
want
to.
A
We
probably
need
to
develop
more
advanced
materials
for
those
types
of
learners,
so
I
just
want
to
have
kind
of
buckets
organized
where
we
want
to
reflect
how
we
want
to
specific
audiences.
We
want
to
deliver.
This
thing
to
like
managers
will
need
to
have
a
different
view
of
our
existing
content,
but
they
probably
won't
be
learning
about
cross-site,
scripting
or
buffer
overflows,
I
think
stuff.
A
So
I
judy
your
hand
was
up
next.
E
Oh
yeah,
I
put
I
I
actually
did.
I
was
trying
to
understand
how
to
create
learner
personas,
so
I
did
read
a
few
documents.
I
put
a
link
in
too
because
this
I'd
be
honest,
like
creating
this
kind
of
learning
persona.
It
was
a
new
thing
to
me,
so
I'm
happy
to
learn
about
it,
but
it's
more
of
a
matrix
for
me
to
just
rather
than
maybe
list
and
also
where.
E
A
Well-
and
I
think
I
don't
know
that
anyone
here
is
a
professional
educator.
Okay,
I
think
that's
probably
something
we
need
to
lean
into.
Like
brian
mentioned,
there
are
people
that
work
on
education
within
the
lf,
but
we
probably
need
to
talk
to
people
that
do
education
for
a
living
and
kind
of
see
how
we
need
to
adjust
our
plans
and
targets.
E
But
that's
only
one
like
that
was
really
just
some
quick
research
for
myself
and
best
approaches
to
to
how
to
come
about
this,
but
I'm
still
wondering
from
the
top
down
is
there
rumblings
of
where
we
would
like
to
have
our
biggest
impact?
E
Are
we
looking
at
industry?
Are
we
looking
at
outside
of
industry
college
younger
generation
to
bring
them
up?
Because
the
range
is
so
vast?
It.
A
Is
very
vast
and
I
think,
in
order
for
us
to
make
any
progress,
we're
going
to
need
to
focus
on
a
hand,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
serve
everybody,
but
we've
mentioned
like
underserved
communities
is
something
that
we
all
value
very
much
like
you're,
trying
to
get
young.
Ladies
and
racially
and
mentally
diverse
people
into
the
field.
So
I
think
that's
definitely
a
target
area
for
us
collegiate
academic
university.
I
think,
is
that
area
we'll
probably
want
to
focus
in
on
the
high
school
middle
school.
A
The
younger
students
was
something
that
came
up
in
the
dc
meetings
and
that
derailed
the
whole
conversation,
because
everybody
wanted
to
talk
about
teaching
young
kids
about
this
stuff,
and
I
don't
know
that's
important,
but
I
personally
don't
know
that.
That's
exactly
where
we
want
to
focus,
because
we
have
a
problem
today
and
it'd
be
great
if
we
can
solve
that
problem
in
10
years
as
these
young
learners
are
going
up
through
school.
A
But
I
don't
know
that
that's
the
most
important
area,
but
we'll
defer
to
the
group
and
kind
of
see
what
everyone
thinks
about
and
then
there's
always
the
kind
of
like
yourself,
people
that
change
careers,
yeah
and
I
think
you're,
seeing
a
lot
of
that
right
now,
with
kind
of
the
work
from
home
push
hybrid
work
where
people
are
looking
to
explore
new
careers.
So
I
think
that's.
D
I
think
that
you
know
in
either
case
right.
I,
like
david's
courses,
is
very
interesting.
It's
got
a
lot,
a
ton
of
very
useful
information.
It's
very
comprehensive,
but
it's
not
hands-on
right.
D
So
it
very
much
is,
you
know,
read,
read
and
understand,
whereas
college
students,
you
know
as
an
organization
that
hires
a
lot
of
people
right
out
of
college
and
I've
seen
this
a
lot
through
my
my
career,
you
know
most
of
them
don't
get
any
education
in
this
and
even
with
the
languages,
they
do
learn
it's
a
semester
and
then
they
learn
it
and
then
don't
touch
it
again,
for
you
know
until
they
actually
get
a
job,
that's
not
to
say
that
our
a
lot
of
them
don't
do
side,
projects
and
other
things,
but
very
realistically
the
level
is
not
as
high
so
in
either
case.
D
Be
it
college,
be
it
continued
learning
for
existing
professionals.
We
need
to
really
start
looking
at
the.
How
do
we
build
something
that
helps
those
people
who
learn
better
by
doing
and
somebody
who's
kind
of
narrowed
in
on
the
reality
of
devops
being
somebody
else's
job
and
security
being
part
of
the
cso
group?
And
you
know
I
don't
you
know.
Why
would
I
think
about
that?
In
my
current
organization?
D
It's
never
been
my
responsibility
before
it's
educating
them
and
actually
showing
them
the
practical
reality
of
how
they
implement
it
right
and
from
you
know,
checking
in
your
code
all
the
way
to
deployment,
so
you
know
to
some
degree,
there's
tools
and
best
practices,
but
the
education
needs
to
take
it
to
that.
This
is
how
you
actually
hands-on
do
this
and
of
course,
we've
talked
about
conferences
and
other
things
to
to
show
this
at
some
level
and,
of
course,
the
personas
and
issues
of
their
50
different
languages.
D
To
do
this
with
is
a
much
broader
conversation,
but
I
think,
no
matter
what
we
do.
There
has
to
be
an
aspect
of
taking
like
what
david
has
and
actually
showing
people
how
to
to
implement
it,
not
just
conceptually
adopt
it.
A
Absolutely
agreed
people
learn
differently.
Some
people
learn
well
by
reading
some
people
learn
by
taking
a
class
many
people,
especially
in
our
field,
learn
by
doing
some
people
like
to
listen
to
podcasts,
so
I
I
absolutely
agree
eric
we
need
to
and
that's
where
the
whole
content
delivery
channels
idea
is.
We
need
to
think
about
how
we
can
get
this
content
out
and
at
least
for
hands-on
learning.
Today
we
have
skf,
and
that
needs
to
be
augmented
for
more
languages,
but
are
there
other
things?
A
We
need
to
do
to
get
that
practical
learning
aspect
addressed
mr
russo.
C
Getting
back
to
personas,
I
I
I
understand
the
thought
process
in
in
putting
that
list
together.
However,
would
we
be
better
served
by
instead
of
talking
about
college
student
versus
high
school
student
versus
a
job?
Changer
should
talk
about
novice
versus
intermediate
versus
advanced,
because
I
think
those
are
more
applicable
across
the
board
and
maybe
not
pigeonholing
people
based
upon
where
they
currently
are.
A
That's
definitely
one
way
to
do
it
like
also
like
a
user
journey
type
thing.
We've
talked
about
that
in
the
best
practices
group
like
I
have
a
specific
task.
So
therefore,
I'm
going
to
learn
how
to
do
the
devops,
so
I'm
going
to
take
the
devops
piece,
so
that's
yeah,
and
it's
up
to
the
group
how
we
want
to
divide
this
up.
If
we
want
to
go
like
a
collegiate
100,
200
300
level
for
novice
intermediate
and
expert,
we
could
go
user
story.
User
journey,
I'm
open
to.
However,
wanna
divide
this
up.
A
H
I
will
add
to
what
dave
was
saying.
This
is
the
good
idea
of
beginning
intermediate
expert.
I
would
turn
it
also
with
the
aspect
of
being
beginner
in
security
and
being
a
beginner
programmer
being
an
intermediate
programmer
and
being
an
expert
programmer,
because
you
may
have.
You
may
have
a
combination
of
all
those
three.
You
may
have
an
expert
programmer
as
a
beginner
in
security
or
you
may
have
an
expert
in
security.
Has
a
beginner
in
programming
right.
G
Thanks
one
of
the
practices
that
my
team
found
very
useful-
and
we
are
a
team
of
engineers
of
software
engineers-
is
the
practice
of
like
a
structured,
hackathon.
Okay,
we
call
it
this
practice
open,
hack
and.
A
G
Can
think
of
it
as
a
structured
sprint,
that's
around
different
areas.
So,
for
instance,
we
have
the
devsec
ops,
open
hack,
that
goes
through
static
code
analysis,
some
dynamic
analysis,
some
you
know
using
always
zap
field.
So
basically
you
get
like
a
number
of
tasks
to
do
while
you
stream-
and
I
think
our
code
for
that
is
actually
open
source.
A
Absolutely
absolutely
I
yes,
I
think
that
would
be
good
and
potentially
this
is
an
area
where
we
create
like
a
little
subcommittee
and
you
we
have
people
go
off
and
figure
out
what
our
model
is
for,
how
we're
going
to
target
our
training,
and
we
have
another
group
that
goes
off
and
focuses
in
on
writing
the
training
or
labs.
So
we
need
to
figure
out
how
we
want
to
approach
this
but
yeah.
I
I,
I
think,
that's
a
good
approach.
A
I
noted
here
at
intel
we
use
a
a
martial
arts
metaphor
for
our
training.
We
have
a
belt
system
where
I'm
a
white
belt
in
security
development
training
and
they
have
different
levels
of
as
you
much
like
the
beginner
immediate
expert,
as
you
prove
yourself,
and
take
tests
you're
able
to
achieve
higher
levels
of
success.
So
that
may
be
another
approach
we
might
want
to
think
about-
there's
a
mildly,
successful
training
company
in
the
u.s
that
leveraged
that
approach.
They
borrowed
that
out.
She
took
that
out
of
cisco's
program.
A
A
All
right
and
what
I
will
do
is
I
have
everyone's
email
addresses
and
those
that
have
participated
in
the
past
and
I
will
send
out
a
official
vote.
A
Via
email
and
I'll
get
a
list
created
for
us
eventually,
but
I
have
everyone's
email,
so
I'll
send
out
an
email
and
we
will
take
an
official
vote
on
an
approach.
So
do
we
have
basically
kind
of
a
one
approach?
Is
the
personas?
Another
approach?
Is
the
beginner
intermediate
expert?
Are
those
the
two
approaches
we're
thinking
about
voting
on.
A
Any
alternative
suggestions-
judy
agrees,
dave
agrees
all
right,
so
that's
how
I'll
frame
it
is
we'll
have
basically
the
persona
versus
levels
vote
and
we
will.
I
will
give
everybody
until
next
friday,
so
that'll
be
the
29th
to
do
their
vote
and
we
will
talk
about
the
results
of
that
in
our
august.
Third
call.
A
Do
we
have
suggestions
of
groups
we
desire
to
talk
to
so
I
will
put
down.
We
have
noted
in
the
document
girls
who
code
there
were
several
really
good
organizations.
We
want
to
engage
with
the
hbcus
and
I
would
like
to
maybe
narrow
that
down
to
three
or
four
perhaps.
C
Yeah
they
have,
they
have
the
certification,
csslp
certification,
which
is
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
here.
I'm
not
sure
what
materials
they
may
have
that
they're
willing
to
to
share,
but
it
probably
wouldn't
hurt
to
check.
A
A
Our
noted
bias
is
many
of
us
are
here
in
the
states,
so
we
are
going
to
suggest
us-based
things,
but
our
stated
purpose
is
to
get
this
program
to
be
globally
focused
and
provide
in
many
different
areas
and
regions.
So
if
somebody
had
a
if
there
was
a
group
focused
on
education
or
cyber
security
in
a
particular
nation,
ireland,
you
may
feel
free
to
write
that
down.
That
would
be
awesome.
A
A
E
Really,
what
we
would
be
really
beneficial
if
we
could
do
a
pilot
scheme
of
running
to
see
and
create
a
feedback
loop
to
see
how
certain
students
actually
found
the
training
did
they
benefit
from
it?
You
know,
did
it
help
them
about
like
that
was
actually
like?
Is
there
a
badge
available
for
their
linkedin
profile?
Can
you
know?
Is
that
really
great
to
put
on
a
cv
when
they're
going
for
job
applications
and
also
universities,
if
they
feel
they
will
adapt
their
training
to
help
hire
people?
E
If
there's
companies
that
were
working
for,
as
I
mentioned
before,
I
know
red
hot
in
watford,
ireland
work
really
closely
with
our
university
it's
on
our
doorstep,
so
they
actually
train
the
skills
to
get
their
students
hired
so
but
yeah
I'd
be
happy
to
pilot
anything
with
a
group
of
students,
and
we
have
a
cyber
security
course
at
our
local
university,
which
is
I'm
a
graduate
from
so,
but
that's
it's
early
days
for
that,
but
that's
definitely
something
we
could
keep
in
mind
and
I'd
love
to
do
that.
A
A
C
Yeah,
I've
long
wondered
what
the
unique
aspect
or
angle
that
we
would
have
on
education
as
the
open
ssf,
and
I
often
I
tell
the
story
of
salsa
to
get
people's
attention
at
general
level
and
I
think
that's
unique
angle.
We
have,
and
especially
talking
about
devsecops
operations,
people
and
back
to
our
projects
like
fresca
or
whatever.
It
might
be
that
you
know
and
certification
wise.
I
think
that
people
are
going
to
ask
if
you're
going
to
be
if
you're
salsa
compliant
who's
the
auditor,
how
are
they
certified?
What's
their
education?
A
I
I
think,
that's
also
another
really
great
thing:
we've
talked
about
in
a
couple
of
the
other
working
groups
of
like
the
best
practices,
we're
advocating
a
lot
of
the
open,
ssf
projects.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
hook.
Matt
is
to
talk
about
the
projects
we
know
best
and
then
certification
accreditation
is
a
an
interesting
topic.
We
will
need
to.
This
group
will
need
to
address
at
some
point.
You
know:
how
do
we
I'm
willing
to
figure
out
can
how
we
can
reward
developers
with
a
certification
kind
of
what
that
means.
A
We
already
do
with
david's
coursework,
but
if
we're
expanding
the
program,
you
know
what
type
of
oversight
or
what
body
do
we
need
to
go
to
if
any
to.
C
A
And
we
at
least
part
of
our
tactic
was
you
take
the
class
you're
gonna
take
a
test
and
there
would
be
proof
there,
but
again,
I'm
not
an
educator
or
a
certification
person.
So
I
would
have
to
see
kind
of
what.
A
H
I
have
a
cultural
note
here,
not
in
every
culture.
A
certificate
has
the
same
worth.
A
Yeah,
I
absolutely
agreed-
and
that's
an
excellent
point-
that
again
we
try
to
focus
internationally
and
that's
something
we'll
need
to
be
aware
of
certificates
or
a
a
degree
is
a
way
is
not
the
only
way.
We've
also
talked
about
badges,
we've
talked
about
potentially
scholarships
as
rewards
or
grants
or
like
conference
passes.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
We
can
try
to
help
recognize
people
that
have
achieved
this
and
try
to
help
them
get
recognition
in
their
career.
E
E
I
just
wanted
to
say
one
of
the
best
training
I've
ever
had
was
actually
mentorship,
and
I
don't
know
if
we've
considered
that
I
mean
we
all
have
a
team
of
people
around
us
who
probably
would
love
to
mentor
somebody
and
how
cool
it
would
be
to
mentor
somebody
from
outside
your
organization.
Like
a
student,
and
I
know
I
had
a
mentor,
I
actually
had
a
few
mentors
when
I
was
in
college
and
I
surrounded,
I
called
my
my
board
of
mentorship,
my
career
mentorship.
Well,
I
think
it
is
fantastic.
E
A
I
think
that's
an
excellent
we've
mentioned
that
a
few
times
the
boggle
and
speaking
as
a
mentor
you're,
it's
not
very
scalable.
So
if
it's
just
going
to
be,
you
know
the
the
nine
of
us
here
as
the
mentors
we're
rapidly
going
to
there
will
be
more
people
interested
in
help
than
hours
we
have
to
give.
So
I
I
like
the
idea
of
potentially
reaching
out
to
our
organizations.
E
Yeah,
not
us
I
mean,
and
all
of
us
are
not
suit
you.
You
know
it
is
a
big
thing
and
there
is
a
matching
program.
I
suppose
that
would
have
to
be
self.
So,
yes,
I
understand
it's
a
lot
of
work,
but
also
people
in
our
organizations
probably
require
mentorship
skills
to
progress
under
career
and
are
looking
to
be
mentors.
B
Yeah,
so
I
don't
know
whether
anyone
is
familiar
with
exorcism.io.
I've
dropped
a
link
into
the
into
the
chat,
it's
a
way
to
gain
fluency
in
languages
and
it's
open
source
and
free
forever
and
the
way
it
does.
This
is
by
exercises
and
mentors,
and
anyone
who
works
with
or
uses
exorcism.io
instantly
can
be
a
mentor
and
they
it's
it's
a
think
of
it
like
code
view,
and
you
know
giving
feedback
and
stuff
like
that,
it's
highly
effective.
B
I
think
it
has
a
really
good
model
for
this
sort
of
stuff
for
having
a
kind
of
constantly
flowing
pool
of
mentors
to
come
and
give
feedback,
and
the
exercise
model
works
really
well
to
help
build
up
skills
and
because
it
is
open
source
and
a
very
open
and
welcoming
community.
Although
it
does
not
currently
do
things
like
like
skills
rather
than
programming
languages,
I
think
it
can
be
used
for
that
and
they
would
probably
be
open
to
having
those
conversations.
B
So
it
could
be
a
really
good
way
for
us
to
present
information
and
gain
people
to
help
us
whether
they
know
it
or
not.
They're,
you
know
if
they're
mentoring
and
helping
others
learn
that
would
really
help
move
people
along
in
that
way.
So
that
might
be
a
way
we
can
get
some
resources
and
a
pre-made
framework
that
we
can
just
drop
our
content
into.
A
C
D
A
D
D
I
don't
know
if
you
know,
is
it
also
a
conversation
about
breaking
apart
the
existing
training
into
modules
and
tackling
that
you
know
which
ones
will
be
at
which
phase
so,
which
ones
are
the
first
say
two
to
five?
D
A
Even
if
out
of
scope
may
be
the
wrong
phrasing,
but
we
need
to
start
our
backlog
and
something
going
to
get
done
first
and
something
is
going
to
be
at
the
bottom
of
the
backlog
and
we'll
constantly
be
adding
to
it.
But
we
need
in
order
to
make
any
progress,
we're
going
to
have
to
focus-
and
I
think
that'll
probably
be
a
conversation
in
the
next
month
or
so
as
we'll
want
to
target
in
on
maybe
two
or
three
specific
use
cases
for
the
training
and
focus
in
on
that.
A
A
So,
as
always
I'll
put
in
my
note
when
we
have
the
vote,
the
vote
note,
if
anyone
has
any
additional
suggestions
to
anything,
we've
talked
about
feel
free
to
go
back
in
and
type
in
into
the
notes
in
our
last
couple
minutes.
Let's
brainstorm
a
little
bit
thinking
about
content
delivery
channels,
so
we
have
the
fundamentals
class
already
and
that
exists
in
edx
at
the
lf
and
now
is
in
scorm
format.
A
So
we
that's
a
definite
awesome
starting
point
for
us,
so
we
that
also
gives
us
a
model
of
kind
of
a
classroom.
Air
quotes
here,
classroom
training.
A
B
I
want
to
make
sure
that
anything
we
do
look
at
as
an
option
is,
has
existing
facilities
for
internationalization
and
localization,
because
that's
if
we
go
down
a
certain
path
and
it's
not
necessarily
simple
simple,
nothing
is
simple
when
translating
is
involved,
but
it's
if
it's
already
not
built
for
that,
then
we're
just
going
to
be
in
for
a
world
of
hurt,
so
that
should
be
certainly
via
criteria.
A
Like
david's
class,
I
think
is
just
a
translation
exercise.
We
need
to
find
those
experts
and
they
need
to
sit
down
and
start
keying
through
it
like
skf,
where
it's
more
technical,
I
don't
know,
but
glenn
is
dutch,
so
it's
english
as
his
second
language.
So
I
maybe
he
inherently
fought
through
some
of
those
challenges,
but
I
agree:
we've
talked
about
localization
of
content
being
a
priority
for
us
kind
of
a
guiding
principle,
and
that's
something
we'll
need
to
pay
attention
to.
A
Any
additional
thoughts
on
ways
we
can
deliver
the
content.
You
know
we
had
glenn
suggested.
I
think
eric
mentioned
it.
A
hackathon
but
developer
focused.
A
B
I
mean
you've
got
videos
right,
that's
obviously,
something
that
people
are
going
to
be
interested
in
and
something
that
you
can
make
relatively
quickly
and
in
small
bite-sized
chunks.
B
So,
as
we
are
doing
these
things,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
not
everyone
has
the
abilities
that
we
do
necessarily
right
and
so
having
things
in
a
diversity
of
formats
will
allow
more
people
to
get
to
it.
However,
it
also
kind
of
you
know
amplifies
the
localization
problem,
the
more
formats
you
have
the
more
ways
you
have
to
find
to
translate
it,
but
speaking
of.
B
Well,
you
have
people
who
are
specialized
in
that
martha
go
ahead.
H
Then
you
get
some
parts
that
are
translated.
Then
you
have
messages
having
changed,
the
translation
is
not
changed
or
the
transition
is
partially
changed,
documentation
same
thing,
so
that
that
also
applies
to
courses.
If,
if
you
want
to
make
the
course
living,
we
need
to
have
the
translation
in
parallel
always
ready
to
actually
update
the
translation,
also
when
the
main
text
changes-
and
that
is
a
pretty
important,
pretty
important
cast.
H
I
trade
myself
to
do
videos
and
bilingual
to
have
the
in
english,
and
I
have
a
french
translation
and
that's
just
a
mess.
If
you
are
changing
something.
A
That's
a
great
point
that
might
be
something
we
may
need
to
have
some
people
kind
of
go
off
and
focus
in.
We
may
probably
want
to
budget
for
something
it
might
not
be
a
first
year
priority,
but
definitely
second
year.
We
want
to
be
able
to
introduce
that
capability
pretty
quickly,
and
we
probably
should
potentially
budget
for
that
and
maybe
somebody's
willing
to
fund
that
effort
for
us.
B
You
know,
maybe
we
can
find
a
translation
firm,
that
translation
buddy,
you
know
or
another
thing
we
can
look
at.
Are
you
know
if
we're
already
going
to
be
partnering
with
various
institutions
and
universities?
They
all
have
language
departments,
okay
and
those
those
students
are
going
to
need
experience.
A
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
I
certainly
think
that
we
would
need
to,
for
instance,
if
we
need
something
translated
to
chinese.
We
go
to
the
asian
languages
department,
but
if
we're
already
embedded
in
the
university,
that
makes
a
lot
easier
right
and,
however,
if
they
want
to
collaborate
with
people
from
the
iot
department,
that's
fine
too
right.
It's
just
there
is
a
pool
of
people.
We
could
potentially
pay
some
money
and
get
some
sort
of
and
teach
them
how
to
contribute
to
open
source.
B
D
Yeah,
this
might
actually
be
something
to
consider.
You
know
I
like
both
both
aspects,
but
you
know,
as
somebody
who's
49
and
working
on
his
mba,
the
the
concept
of
a
lot
of
the
components
in
the
mba
start
to
talk
through
project
management
and
other
capabilities.
D
This
may
be
something
you
could
easily
turn
into
a
project
for
like
an
international
business.
Major
somebody
who's
got
who's,
got
to
do
project
plans
potentially
either
in
a
foreign
language,
or
will
have
to
have
some
foreign
language
as
part
of
their
degree
program.
Maybe
that's
something
as
they
could
be
talked
about
with
these
universities,
as
a
project
focus,
you
know,
build
out,
maintain
some
of
this
and
the
linguistics.
Obviously
you
know,
plus
one
to
vicky
on
that.
D
You
know
talk
to
you
know
the
the
chinese
teacher
or
whoever
you
know
some
some
place,
that's
relevant
within
the
context,
but
I
had
another
scope
beyond
the
linguistic
thing.
I
was
curious
about
in
the
training
aspect.
You
know
a
number
of
us
have
submitted
and
been
accepted
at
conferences
coming
up.
You
know
some
conferences
have
ad
hoc,
lightning
talks
and
other
things.
That
could
also
be
a
train,
a
training
mechanism
for
this
as
well.
D
You
know,
and
certainly
I'd
be
interested
to
to
hear
if
anybody's
going
to
devops
world
in
in
september
that'd
be
a,
would
we
be
having
potentially
a
meeting
to
discuss
the
sig
or
anything
open,
ssf
related
where
maybe
this
could
also
be
a
topic.
That's
brought
up
to
a
broader
audience
and
obviously
there's
you
know
a
dozen
other
conferences
where
people
could
be
discussing
this
as
well,
but
it's
yeah,
so
that'd
be
something
if
anybody's
going
to
that
conference.
Maybe
we
can
talk
about
putting
something
together.
A
And
I
think
we
also
potentially
could
craft
a
library
of
lightning
talks
or
birds
of
feather
kind
of
talk
through
talking
points
and
as
we
have
people
that
are
going
to
some
of
these
big
conferences
are
submitting.
We
can
have
this
library,
materials
people
could
use,
and
that
has
been
reviewed
and
is
kind
of
official
content.
A
I
think
that
would
be
excellent,
I'm
not
going
to
the
devops
world.
I
might
be
going
to
the
open,
ssf
europe
conference
though,
but
I
think
we
need.
Let
me
talk
about
this
in
some
other
working
groups.
Is
we
have
a
conference
list
and
we
probably
across
the
board,
need
to
be
more
focused
on
an
intentional.
We
want
somebody.
We
want
dave
to
submit
a
talk
at
this
conference
to
promote
the
best
practices
badge
for,
or
example,
know
whatever
it
is.
A
But
look
for
email
for
me
if
you
have
any
additional
thoughts,
please
put
them
into
the
notes,
and
thank
you
everybody.
This
has
been
some
great
conversations.
I
appreciate
this
we're
moving
forward
and
we
will
probably
start
to
move
into
rebuilding
the
plan
and
filling
out
the
details
and
specifics
as
next
steps
and
we'll
be
looking
for
owners
or
contributors.