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From YouTube: OpenSSF Diagrammers Society (January 12, 2023)
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Meeting minutes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14i9v7WuQcLzWpvLe9B0sl-kf90JLwxNwrZkRXLWmEdQ/edit#heading=h.9m0zi4b0wnne
A
B
A
Foreign
as
we
move
along
if
I
could
have
assistance
in
taking
notes.
That
would
be
deeply
appreciated
for
those
that
can't
make
the
call
as
I
mentioned.
Does
anyone
have
any
opens
for
today,
I've
pinged
several
times
in
the
slack
Channel
and
haven't
gotten
any
suggestions
of
things
to
talk
about
today.
So
what's
on
everybody's
Minds,.
D
C
The
this
is
somewhat
of
a
little
bit
of
holiday
fog,
clearing
and
starting
to
come
back
to
also
the
the
meaning
we
just
got
off
of
of
the
governance
subcommittee,
but
I
think
part
of
what
the
question
on
my
mind.
Maybe
is
the
same
same
thing
or
different
thing
than
you've
been
asking,
which
is
what
are
the
a
do
we
as
a
and
is
a
kind
of
a
next
step
of
this
group,
getting
a
current
view
of
either
a
set
of
diagrams
or
a
single
proposed
diagram.
C
C
A
We
currently
have
six
proposed
styles
of
diagram,
of
which
Zero
have
gotten
any
feedback
from
anyone
that
posted
on
slack
or
emails,
or
the
issues
Matt
put
together.
One
of
those
in
a
mind,
map
format
and
that's
what
we
were
tinkering
with.
Mostly
the
last
couple
calls
of
the
Year
where
he
went
through
and
did
a
very
exhaustive
review
of
all
current
activities.
And
then
our
note
took
that
and
did
a
little
bit
of
streamlining
to
make
it
a
little
simpler.
A
E
Yeah
I
know
I
and
I.
Clearly,
we've
been
in
dialogue,
but
I
want
to
suggest
where
I
left
off
in
December
before
I
Disappeared,
for
various
reasons
which
is
suggesting
that,
and
we
have
some
sub
team
from
this
group
who's.
You
know
willing
to
spend
time
on
it,
go
from
left
to
right
in
the
mind
map
and
not
not
with
the
goal
of
creating
a
diagram,
but
with
the
goal
of
you
know,
creating
issues
and
action
items
for
us
to
look
at
on
a
per
work
group
basis.
Yeah.
A
And
one
interest-
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
the
Mind
map
yet
Bob,
but
one
interesting
thing
that
Matt
and
Arno
stumbled
across
is.
Unsurprisingly,
we
have
a
lot
of
inconsistency
across
the
working
groups.
A
lot
of
missing
items
like
you
know,
Charters
or
project
information,
a
lot
of
inconsistency
in
how
things
are
linked,
so
that's
definitely
an
exercise
as
Matt
suggested.
We
could
take
that
and
kind
of
use
that
to
correct
things
like
hey.
We
noticed
that
the
fuzzy
bunny
working
group
doesn't
have
a
charter.
Can
you
guys
get
that
in
order?
F
He
sent
me
into
JT
I
mean
so
I
think
you
know
in
response.
Maybe
to
what
Bob
is
Raising
I
mean
the
question
is
Raising
is
probably
I
think
you
know
we
are
at
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
and
indeed
we
had
submissions
of
different
types
of
of
diagrams.
We
could
you
know,
work
with
and
I
think
we've
agreed
that
there
isn't
like
one
diagram.
That
would
answer
all
the
questions
and
we
have
different
goals
that
can
be.
You
know
that
we
can
have
in
trying
to
develop
different
diagrams,
different
audiences
and
I.
D
F
F
You
know
have
in
mind,
and
it
was
kind
of
the
free-for-all
and
you
know
I
think
the
the
challenge
with
this
is,
of
course
it
was
the
end
of
the
year,
but
it
didn't
help
the
only
days
everybody
kind
of
disappeared.
We
all
worked
on
other
things,
but
but
so
yeah
I
think
you
know
a
practical
way
to
make
progress
would
to
to
to
to
to
narrow
down
the
focus
for
a
while,
and
then
you
know
acknowledging
that
this.
A
Before
I
turn
over
to
Matt
and
to
kind
of
augment
that
I
think
we
can
have
a
a
marketing-ish
picture,
potentially
selected
from
the
styles
of
diagram.
But
as
we
were,
collaborating
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
we
think
at
least
tactically
our
next
best
steps
to
kind
of
help
align
with
things
like
the
Sterling
tool
chain.
A
What
the
end
user
working
group's
doing
is
leveraging
this
mind,
map
format,
because
that
seems
to
give
us
a
good
view
to
kind
of
good
working
view
to
go
from
and
that
you
know
ultimately
might
not
be
the
picture
to
tell
a
layperson
about
the
foundation.
But
we
think
there's
a
lot
of
utility
in
having
these
things
organized
and
trying
to
get
some
consistency
across
the
board.
E
I
mean
if
you
recall,
I,
did
have
a
brief
presentation
before
I
showed
the
Mind
map,
and
you
know
I
said
about
you
know
earnestly
trying
to
create
two
views:
creating
an
end
user
View
and
compared
to
what
we
had
in
the
website
today
and
created
devops
view.
If
you
will
and
I
I
try,
I
failed
trying
to
find
what
would
guide
an
end
user,
View
and
I
thought
mobilization
plan.
E
So
it
you
know,
I
thought
just
saying
create
a
view
is
not
easy,
even
for
end
user
review,
because
we're
we're
missing
a
guiding
thing
and
I
suggested
that
you
know
we
need
to
have
the
right
people
in
place
to
you
know,
talk
about
what's
missing
in
our
work
groups
and
our
projects
and
activities
that
don't
reflect
back
on
what
we
promised
last
year
and
they
might
have
to
update
our
mobilization
plan
this
I'm
looking
at
Bob
saying
this
for
Bob.
So
he
hears
this
as
well.
You
know.
A
And
if
you
look
at
issue
one
that's
where
kind
of
the
introduction
of
the
idea
and
a
couple
artifacts
that
we
put
together
so
there's
to
actually
use
the
the
dynamic
file,
you
have
to
download
a
tool
to
look
at
it,
but
we
also
created
some
image
views.
So
you
kind
of
see
the
results
of
what
you
know.
Matt
and
Arno
discovered
as
we
they
were
kind
of
trucking
along
through
the
different
groups.
E
E
G
F
F
You
know
if
you
say,
like
you
were
talking
about
the
earlier
crop
about
you
know,
do
we
want
to
figure
out
if
there
are
working
groups
that
don't
have
a
charter
yet,
and
you
could
you
know
you
could
capture
this
kind
of
information
in
a
mind,
map
and
and
have
but
but
for
other
people?
This
is
completely
relevant.
B
C
So
yeah
I
think
there's
a
couple
things
to
to
unwind.
I
did
look
at
the
Mind
map
before
Christmas
and
now
reloading
it.
Some
thoughts
are
coming
back
into
my
head,
so
certainly
before
I
forget.
Thank
you
for
putting
this
together.
I
know
that
this
was
a
non-trivial
amount
of
work
that
went
into
that.
So
I
do
want
to
express
my
appreciation,
I
think,
you're
or
no
I.
C
Think
what
I
heard
from
you
just
now,
I
think
kind
of
draws
out
a
delineation
that
I
know
Crow
and
I
had
talked
about
way
back
when
this
topic
kind
of
came
up
in
the
context
of
attack,
which
was
there
is
that
external
facing
what
is
the
open
ssf?
What
do
we
do
and
how
do
I
engage
with
it?
Dialogue
that
I
at
least
my.
C
What's
the
state
of
reality
and
how
do
I
map
this
to
some
of
the
external
things
that
we
have
published?
I
think
one
not
saying
that
I'm
like
super
rigid
to
this
this
world
view.
But
one
thing
that
I
have
found
in
several
conversations
is
that
I
do
not
think
of
the
mobilization
plan
as
the
operating
model
for
the
foundation.
C
C
Well,
at
times,
I
I,
like
leaving
looking
at
the
my
map
right
now,
I
see
like
the
blue,
the
blue
tags,
mapping
back
to
the
individual
sections
of
that
and
I
make
sense
that
those
those
connections
make
a
ton
of
sense
to
me.
But
again,
in
a
lot
of
external
conversations,
I
think
people
rally
to
well.
The
mobilization
plan
represents
exactly
how
the
foundation
is
executing
and
it's
like
well,
not
quite
I,
see
Bryant.
C
Even
even
you
know,
chiming
in
on
chat
now
saying
it's
a
list
of
possibilities
that
we
could
be
focused
on
and
trying
to
motivate
others
to
help
contribute
to
so
I.
Think,
there's
a
little
bit
of
that
which
is
doing
the
work
that
you've
done
here
to
capture
the
all
of
the
housekeeping
that
I'll
refer
to
it
as
like
I.
C
C
Y'all
still
hear
me:
yes,
okay
Zoom,
for
some
reason
has
been
dropping
randomly
throughout
the
week,
so
I
don't
know
what's
going
on
there,
but
it's
a
feature
yeah.
Maybe
the
meat
team
put
a
new
Chrome
plug
in
for
us
that
causes
it
to
happen.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
something
I
think
we
could
generate
a
list
of
you
know
figure
out
what
the
official
stance
on
that
is
prioritize,
that
list
and
and
Brian,
maybe
that's
something
that
Khalil
or
Jory
or
others
could
could
help
Whittle
down
over
time.
C
The
but
I
do
agree
like
solving
the
describing
the
activities
of
the
foundation
in
a
coherent
context
like
it
is
a
very
different
task
in
my
mind
than
reconciling.
Where
are
we
today?
How
does
that
map
to
the
end
story?
That
I
think
we
want
to
tell
I
do
I'm,
not
if
we
could
find
one
diagram
and
a
way
to
describe
that
all
like
that
would
be
amazing,
but
that
certainly
would
not
be
the
starting
spot.
I
would
put
on
all
this
so
I,
don't
know.
C
The
operational
model
is
something
that
I
found
in
a
lot
of
conversations
that
people
either
jumps
to
that
conclusion,
and
it's
not
something
that
I
do,
or
it
is
a
point
that
we
need
to
clarify
more
broadly
again,
I'm
not
trying
to
push
my
world
view
on
anybody,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
say
that's
the
framing
I
hear
a
lot
of
folks
talk
to
talk
about
it
and
I.
Don't
it's
not
something
I
share,
at
least
as
a
default.
E
Map
yeah
I
mean
I
agree
with
your
sentiment
completely
so
I
mean
I'm
I'm
in
the
spot
that
you
described,
I,
think
Rosaria
and
others
have
described,
is
I
have
problems.
People
come
to
me
with
an
IBM.
My
job
is
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
people
involved
in
open
SSL
and
they
say
well
I.
Do
this
I
do
X.
What's
the
right
work
group,
what's
the
right
project?
E
What's
the
right
thing
and
I
have
problems
finding
it,
you
know
keeping
track
of
what's
going
on
right,
so
I
I
couldn't
create
a
view
or
create
anything
without
getting
into
inventory.
So
that's
what
I
did
and
then
I
looked
at.
How
do
we?
How
do
people
encounter
the
open,
ssf
and
By
Invitation?
We
promote
highly
the
mobilization
plan,
so
I
don't
want
to
disappoint
people
who
read
the
mobilization
plan
and
say
oh
you're,
doing
data
security
and
then
oh
Tommy,
where
you're
doing
that
at
and
we
say:
oh,
we
don't
have
that.
E
We
don't
have
a
group
that
claims
ownership
of
that.
So
we
have
there.
We
have
a
disconnect
there.
So
that
aside,
that's
the
only
reason
why
I
tag
things
by
mobilization
plan,
with
no
intent
of
being
that
the
interviews
are
view.
In
fact,
all
we
really
need
to
do
is
is
maybe
improve.
Maybe
the
website
it
just
you
know
a
quick
pass
and
make
sure
you
know.
Maybe
we
create
a
Next
Level
Deep
thing
saying
here
the
topic
areas
this
group's
looking
at
and
hear
the
work
products.
E
Maybe
maybe
that's
an
easy
thing
to
do
well
and
I,
anticipate
and
said
that
we'll
probably
have
many
views
and
I
just
try
to
build
upon
what
other
people
have
put
together.
We
try
to
have
a
CI
CD.
You
know
end-to-end
cyclical
view
as
well
and
again,
for
if
we're
looking
at
what
you
apply
in
different
places,
there's
a
lot
of
front-end
loading
on
what
you
do
before
you.
You
do
stuff
a
lot
of
guides
and
preparedness
and
things
like
that.
There's
a
lot
of
things.
What
happens?
E
C
C
C
Conversation
I'll
throw
I'll
throw
in
another
question:
Crow
we
had
again
on
some
of
this
is
again
I'll
apologize
for
brain
fog.
We
had
talked
about
kind
of
I,
don't
know
there
was
a
bunch
of
back
and
forth
around
like
there's
an
sdlc
view
with
mapping
specific
activities
onto
that.
Does
that
make
sense
I
think
there
was
some
feedback
that
maybe
somewhat,
but
not
quite
I,
guess
have
we
was
the
group
consensus
that
we
we
wanted
to
abandon
that
as
a
potential
proposal.
A
A
Again,
we
didn't,
we
haven't
determined
a
final
work
product
again.
We
have
a
couple
different
ways.
We
could
present
the
data.
We've
talked
about
the
merits
and
deficiencies
of
each
and
again,
just
most
recently,
we
kind
of
ended
up
on
the
Mind
map
bit
because
we
saw
a
value
we
could
start
to
see
where
there
were
gaps
or
duplication
and
in
lieu
of
you
know,
attack
governing
board
Direction,
that's
kind
of
where
we
we
took
things,
but
anything
is
possible
and
we
have
a
couple
different
styles
and
even
like
the
Mind
map.
A
B
And
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
inquired
this
group
on
is
this
I
think
this
comprehensive
mind
map
is
I,
think
really
good
work.
Is
there
a
way
to
try
and
also
come
up
with
light
version
that
would
be
kind
of
a
high
level
open,
sfsf
101?
You
know
that
that
old
adage
of
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words.
A
Our
note
took
a
stab
on
kind
of
evolving,
a
Matt's
initial
diagram
and
he
simplified
things
and
kind
of
again
worded
it
based
off
of
his
world
view.
So
our
last
call
was
literally
right
before
the
break,
and
this
is
our
first
call
back.
So
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
any
further
conversation
about
what
next
next
steps
would
be.
A
E
A
A
F
Yeah
and
in
fact,
I
mean,
having
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
myself
on
trying
to
to
look
at
how
I
could
put
the
same
information
in
two
different
ways,
even
using
the
same
tool
that
might
have
started
with
right
I,
you
quickly
realized,
there's
two
Dimensions
that
multiply
into
so
many
combinations.
The
first
is
what
information.
D
F
You
want
to
represent
and
include
in
the
diagram
and
how
you
represent
it,
and
there
are
so
many
possibilities.
It's
literally
mind-boggling,
no,
no
pun
intended,
and
so
you
know
there
there's,
like
you
know
some
of
it
can
be
a
bit
arbitrary
or
it's
a
bit
like
you
know,
choosing
between
colors
some
people
will
have
preferences
in
different
ways.
I,
don't
know
that
there
is
one
way,
that's
inherently
better
than
the
other.
It's
just
like!
Well,
at
some
point,
you
have
to
make
a
choice:
yeah.
A
And
then,
once
we
get
actually
settle
on
a
couple
Styles,
we
need
to
run
it
through
some
accessibility
and
viewability
people,
because
you
know
some
people
are
colorblind.
So
we
would
need
to
consider
that,
but
just
as
these
are
just
initial
quick
stabs
with
our
backgrounds
and
the
the
different
types
of
viewpoints
like
sdl
or
CI,
CD,
that
we
were
trying
to
articulate
Matt.
E
Yeah
I
mean
you
know
as
we're
talking
I'm
remembering
things
and
also
cross-referencing
what
I
heard
at
the
track
and
what
I'm
hearing
going
on
at
the
end
user
work
group
and
things
like
that,
but
one
one
idea
that
I
didn't
want
to
lose
sight
of
was
salsa.
Clearly
salsa
is
a
is
a
a
large,
attractive
area
for
for
open
ssf
as
a
whole
and
being
met
be
able
to
get.
E
Maybe
that's
a
starting
point
that
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
look
at
and
I
know
that
there's
controversy
around
the
taxonomy
and
naming
and
stuff
based
upon
corporate
naming
and
mapping
those
things.
But
you
know
I,
think
that's
a
valid
view
as
well.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
was
on
the
table.
Thank
you.
F
E
F
E
Yeah
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
you
know
the
most
valuable
to
me
is
to
help
the
the
cios,
the
CSO
people
who
come
to
open,
ssf,
trying
to
get
their
people
to
participate
and,
or
you
know,
leaders
leaders
in
their
companies
working
for
sea
orgs.
You
know
trying
to
figure
out
where
their
people
should
participate
and
where
they
should
look
for
to
start
I
think
that's
the
most
valuable.
That's
what
I
needed
and
I
still
need,
and
I've
heard
that
echoed
from
several
other
people.
F
E
A
F
C
C
A
Another
way
we
didn't
continue
with
it,
but
another
way
to
present
this
information
is
like
through
a
Persona
I'm,
an
open
source,
consumer
and
I
need
to
solve
problem
X.
And
so,
if
you
go
back
to
our
October
20th
view
four,
we
actually
have
a
potential
Persona
way
to
look
at
this,
but
I
felt
it
was
very
important
to
get
a
list
of
the
inventory
and
then
we
could
kind
of
debate
about
what
goes.
Where
makes.
D
People
I
usually
have
the
camera
off
and
now
now
the
sound
is
blocked
anyway,
just
echoing,
what's
that
one
of
the
hardest
things
I've
had
to
go
through
and
then
hell
it'll
be
almost
a
year
now
is
try
to
articulate
what
we
do
in
the
openness
and
stuff
against
not
really
against.
For
me,
my
argument
is
it's
concurrent
with
what
we
do
internally
and
within
my
organization
and
saying
hey,
you
know
we
should
really
be
involved
with
a
lot
of
this
right
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of.
D
We
do
have
a
few
people
that
are
coming
in,
but
when
I
get
asked
the
question,
so
how
can
we
help
what
what
what
is
going
on
in
the
openness
and
stuff
that
we
can
get
involved
in?
If
you
could
choose
three
things
that
we
could
be
doing,
what
can
we
do
and
then
and
then
and
then
I
get
a
whole
bunch
of
other
arguments
about
that.
A
D
Yeah,
so
so
we
we
do
that,
but
then
you
get
asked
the
questions.
Well,
what's
what's
the
net
net
for
us
and
then
and
then
now
you
have
to
come
with
come
with
that
argument.
Saying
I
I
encourage
you
not
to
think
about
the
the
net,
and
that
is
as
much
as
I
encourage
you
to
think
about
the
partnership
capabilities
and,
and
you
know,
contributing
and
partnering
and
collaborating
towards
the
net
net
I
I.
These
are.
D
D
Three
three
to
five
bullet
comments
that
each
working
group
is
working
on,
but
you
know
if
you
need
further
details,
click
here,
right
and
and
I
and
I,
so
so
I
I
Echo
a
lot
of
the
things
that
a
lot
of
these
diagrams
we
produce
can
be
short,
medium
large
right
summarized
right.
We
might
have
to
produce
10
to
20
or
30
of
these
things.
E
Lot
of
these
comments,
yeah
I
mean
yeah
again,
I
think
we're
a
lot
of
people
are,
have
been
kind
of
eating,
Rock,
Chrome
and
Jay.
We
bought
and
reside,
and
others
we've
all
encountered
the
same
problem.
We
have
people
and
I've
been
wants
to
bring
more
people
in,
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
find.
You
know
if
they
say:
I
have
X
interest
or
X
background
experience.
Where
do
I
go?
Sometimes
it's
easy.
Sometimes
it's
not
you
know.
Just
getting
the
readme's
correct,
maybe
are
highly
helpful.
E
If
we
consistently
have
sections
in
the
readme
with
clear
places
where
we
list
our
actual
work
products,
maybe
we
could
write
some
tool
that
would
extract
them
from
the
readme's
and
be
able
to
add
depth
to
our
website
where
we
just
list
the
work
groups,
you
can
say:
here's
you
know
here
are
the
actual
extract
work
products
that
had
a
glance
you
can
say
this
is
working
on
this
guide
or
this.
This
is
the
code
project
with
a
hyperlink
them,
so
people
can
more
easily
access
without
doing
what
I
did,
which
is
go
through
people.
B
E
A
F
A
We
start
to
work
on
things
like
the
new
Sterling
tool
chain
idea
and
trying
to
focus
the
foundation's
efforts.
Things
like
the
Mind
map
are
going
to
be
very
useful
because
we
have
a
butt
ton
of
operational
tactical
things
that
need
fixed
like
readme's
and
Charters
and
getting
everyone's
aligning
all
the
definitions.
You
know
we
changed
the
definition
of
the
work
products
of
the
group,
so
you
have
some
things
that
are
now
like
a
document
and
those
are
should
be
labeled
initiative
and
some
things
that
are
code
related
should
be
labeled
as
projects.
A
We
need
to
go
through
and
kind
of
retrofit.
Some
of
these
things
so
again,
I
think
we'll
we'll
Branch
a
bit
but
I'll
talk
to
Brian
and
Bob
and
find
a
forum
for
us
and
then
I'll
try
to
find
a
time
that
we
can
kind
of
come
in
and
do
this
showcase
and
try
to
get
more
directed
feedback
on
where
people
would
like
us
to
go
and
what
the
goal
the
output
goal
should
be.
G
And
maybe
I'm
just
restating
some
of
what
some
other
folks
have
said,
but
I
really
do
think,
there's
a
clear
bifurcation
and
goals
between
comprehensiveness
and
comprehensibility
on
one
end
and
helping
new
people
come
into
the
funnel
they.
You
know
I.
Think
of
this
like
Disneyland
right,
there's
a
map
of
Disneyland,
but
you
don't
consult
the
map
necessarily
to
go.
G
Where
am
I
going
to
have
the
best
first
hour
at
Disneyland
right,
you
consult
the
map
to
figure
out
how
to
get
to
the
Star
Wars
plays
from
from
The
Haunted
Mansion,
perhaps
but
or
what's
nearby
other
things,
the
thematically
or
otherwise.
But
when
you
first
walk
in
it's
like
you
know,
it's
like
Main,
Street
and
you're
kind
of
directed
to
various
Things,
based
on
your
interest
and
I
think
the
Persona
driven
guide
to
hey.
If
you
are
this
kind
of
person,
here's
three
things.
G
You
must
know
three
things
you
should
know
and
some
exciting
stuff
coming
up
like
and
have
three
or
four
of
these
personas
a
lot
more
than
that
is
going
to
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
folks
have
brought
in
to
this
hoping
to
get
answered
by
the
diagram
or
Society,
but
I
think
they
were
very
different
goals
and
a
very
different
tool
to
answer
those
than
the
comprehensiveness.
How
do
we
represent
everyone
fairly
and
and
accurately
and
in
the
big
picture.
A
G
These
days
before
you
fan
out
to
the
working
group
leads
and
say,
hey
working
group
leads
we're
going
to
have
it
all
in
all
hands
around
this
topic.
Please
please,
come
in
I
know
you've
been
approaching
them
one
by
one.
It
sounds
like
you
have
many
of
them,
but
I
mean
you
are
a
few
of
them,
so
I
I,
but
but
but
something
that
I
I,
not
sure
of
some
other
way
to
reach
a
mass
audience.
A
Oh,
and
that
was
another
idea-
was
you
know,
based
off
of
you,
know,
Matt
and
our
nose
diagrams
to
go
to
the
working
groups
and
verify
what
we
observed
to
ensure
the
accuracy.
But
if
again
that,
if
that
exercise
isn't
as
useful
in
the
short
term,
we
can
back
burn
that
if
there
was
something
else
that
would
be
more
beneficial
to
the
foundation
sooner.
The.
G
Only
thing
I
can
that
also
comes
to
mind,
is
asking
people
for
examples.
What
are
things
examples
of
other
projects
and
the
way
they
represent
things?
The
trail
map,
for
example?
Do
we
like
the
trail
map?
Is
that
a
useful
frame,
because
a
trail
map
doesn't
try
to
represent
all
things
at
cntf?
If
I
understand
it
correctly,
it
tries.
E
I,
try
the
cncf
mapping
as
a
thought
exercise
before
I
even
started.
I
didn't
create
the
diagram.
The
my
map,
initially
I,
tried
to
do
this.
Building
on
stlc,
building
on
different
things
and
and
the
cncs
are
very
familiar
with
that
I'd
work
at
cncf
and
it's
hard
because
they
have
an
architecture.
They
have
here's,
your
networking,
here's
your
storage,
here's
your
control
plan,
you
know
they
have.
They
have
a
very.
We
don't
have
the
problems,
we're
trying
to
find
that
guiding
classification
system
to
to
do
that
in
and.
E
G
G
G
See
if,
before
calling
a
big
meeting,
if
there's
some
you
know
alternates,
you
want
to
consider
raising
that
are
more
geared
around
that
Persona,
driven
or
functionally
driven
kind
of
view
of
a
subset
of
the
projects
to
answer
that
set
of
goals
of
helping
us
be
comprehensible
to
first-time
users
or
helping
people
figure
out
where
to
plug
in
versus
the
the
top
down.
Here's
here's
everything
in
one
big
picture,
even
if
we're
looking
at
state
by
state
pictures
right,
it's
still
different.