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A
I,
even
if,
if
Jessenia,
if
Jessenia
comes
gets
on,
I
I
was
talking
to
Mike
Mike
scaveda.
C
A
And
Alpha
Omega
on
the
Omega
side,
they
have
an
initiative
they're
trying
to
kick
off
where
they're
trying
to
build
a
Capstone,
an
undergrad
Capstone
course
for
a
vulnerability
for
for
a
discovery
of
vulnerabilities,
all
the
way
down
the
chain
through
vulnerability.
Discovery.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
catalog
it?
A
How
do
you
disclose
it?
How
do
you
notify
the
maintainers
everything
else,
so
they
so
they're
trying
to
put
together
a
Capstone
course
and
of
course
your
senior
is
part
of
Alpha
Omega,
so
he
he
pointed
me
to
her
I
said
she's
actually
on
the
list
of
people,
that's
supposed
to
attend
the
call
so
yeah.
A
If
that
could
that
could
potentially
be
one
of
our
first
initiatives
that
we
undertake
they
wanted
to
have
it
launched
in
September,
so
any
groundwork
we
can
do
between
now
and
then
getting
schools
on
board
and
everything
like
that.
We
can
do
that
reach
to
that
reach,
but
that,
but
that's
something
that's
I
mean
that
would
be
huge.
Okay,.
D
A
A
A
Well,
Mike
well,
Mike
told
me.
Yesterday,
I
was
like
what
that
was
like
perfect
timing,
just
just
just
perfect,
and
what
better
than
the
hbcus
and
hsis
with
that
and
I
and
I
said
specifically
because
we're
already
doing
stuff
at
and
believe
it
or
not
at
scale
with
institutions
like
Johns,
Hopkins
and
Carnegie
Mellon,
one
of
my
colleagues,
specifically
he
he
Stan.
He
stood
up
a
program
where
he's
in
those
schools
doing
a
semester-based
course
around
open
source,
Community,
Development
and
non-profit
non-profit
organization.
A
Development
stuff,
like
that
and
I,
said
well,
that's
great
for
Johns
Hopkins
and
Carnegie
Mellon.
But
what
are
we
doing
for
underrepresented
communities
and
our
respective
institutions?
We
need
something
stood
up
similar
to
that.
The
one
thing
that
I
kept
getting
back
was
well.
What's
the
ROI
and
that's
just
from
an
organizational
standpoint,
so
I
guess
bringing
the
breadth
of
of
Lindsey's
foundation
and
open
ssf
might
have
a
different
might
have
a
different
flavor
when
it
comes
to
Bringing
these
kind
of
courses
to
them,
rather
than
coming
as
an
as
individual
organizations.
A
Bringing
the
whole
105
with
us
might
be
a
better
might
be
a
better
Target
for
the
hbcus
and
hsis.
C
C
C
C
So
then,
so
so.
For
that
reason
we
wanted
to
actually
see
what
we
can
do
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
there
is
a
lens
of
Dei
in
the
education
plan,
which
is
actually
being
formalized
right
now
for
the
purposes
of
bringing
it
to
the
open,
ssf
Tack
and
to
get
budget.
But
we
decided
that,
as
the
plan
is
being
formalized,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
Dei
elements
actually
make
it
into
that
plan.
C
So
that's
kind
of
like
one
of
the
focuses
of
this
talk
of
this
actually
meeting,
but
the
other
thing
is
just
in
general
think
about
what
we
want
to
what
we
want
di
to
look
at
look
like
across
the
open
ssf.
C
So
that's
kind
of
like
the
goals
of
this
meeting,
but
before
we
kind
of
get
started,
just
wanted
to
see
since
we're
all
kind
of
new,
maybe
just
give
everyone
a
chance
to
quickly
kind
of
like
introduce
themselves
and
I
can
get
started.
So
I
am
with
the
F5
open
source
program,
office
and
passion
is
an
education,
an
open
source.
So
this
is
a
good
intersection
for
me.
C
A
Yeah
I'm
Jay
working
Microsoft
under
the
open
source
strategy,
ecosystem
team,
my
whole
Rhyme
or
Reason
is
evangelizing
internally
Upstream.
Contributions
to
open
source
I
also
have
a
passion
for
supply
chain.
Security
and
information.
Security
in
general
I've
been
doing
that
for
over
20
years.
A
E
Yeah
I
can
go
next,
I'm
just
Sonia.
You
said
I've
been
in
security
organization
for
about
the
last
10
years,
I've
hopped
around
different
fields
from
Security
operation,
research
and
development,
devsecops
and
then
supply
chain
security
that
I
kind
of
grew
out
in
red
hat.
So
now,
I'm
here
at
the
Linux
Foundation
kind
of
growing,
the
Alpha
Omega,
also
on
the
side,
I'm
one
of
the
founders
of
Latinas
and
cyber
in
which
we're
actually
trying
to
empower
and
grow
the
Latinos
representation,
as
well
as
the
Latinos
representation
in
cyber
security.
E
So
I'm
I'm
connected
to
their
leadership
to
kind
of
help,
Drive
the
educational
pieces
and
drive
more
folks
into
into
the
industry.
So
this
this
kind
of
came
par
with
that
as
well
as
I,
usually
like
to
you
know,
I
see
myself
more
as
a
leader
in
the
the
space
so
kind
of
giving
folks
the
opportunity,
with
open
source,
to
kind
of
build
out
their
experience
and
knowledge
so
that
they
could
get
the
entry
level
Fields
positions,
which
is
where
I
see
the
alpha
omega
kind
of
assisting
with
that.
C
B
Hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
Kay
I
am
a
program
manager
I'm
in
the
hospital
at
Goldman.
Sachs
I
come
from
a
very
non-traditional
background
and
fairly
new
to
Tech.
So
I
graduated
from
a
software
engineering
boot
camp
early,
2021
I,
come
from
a
retail
background
and
I
joined
Goldman
Sachs
February
of
this
year,
I've
been
working
a
lot
with
training
and
participation,
and
ever
since
my
retail
background,
I've
been
really
passionate
just
about
inclusion
and
making
sure
that
everyone
feels
welcome
and
just
having
that
platform.
B
So
I'm
really
excited
to
be
a
part
of
this
working
group.
C
Since
this
is
very
last
minute,
we
have
like
a
small
group,
but
it's
really
good
to
actually
see
everyone
next
year,
we're
hopefully
going
to
expand
so
I
can
quickly
share
my
screen,
so
I
can
just
we
can
just
kind
of
walk
through
the
agenda.
It's
going
to
be
pretty
pretty
light
today,
only
because
we're
just
kind
of
getting
started,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
one
of
the
key
things
that
we
want
to
look
into
is
this
open,
ssf
education,
SEC
plan
that
is
going
to
be
put
in
front
of
the
tag?
C
What
crop
was
actually
pretty
much
driving
this
wants
to
see
is
that
by
December
23rd,
that
initial
plan
gets
reviewed
and
if
we
go
to
the
plan
there
is
an
issue
which
is
issue
number
64..
Let
me
just
click
on
that.
C
So
this
is
the
plan
and
there
are
three
parts
or
subparts
of
this
education
plan.
One
is
basically
collecting
and
curating
the
content,
and
it's
looking
into
making
sure
that
there
is
like
high
quality
content
that
actually
exists,
and
the
plan
is
looking
at
seeing
what
are
the
gaps
and
the
content
that's
available
today,
and
so
that
part
of
the
plan.
There
was
a
subcommittee
that
actually
went
in
and
created
a
plan
for
that.
There's.
C
So
that
might
be
like
a
and
then
the
third
part
of
it
is
like
rewarding
and
incentivizing
developers
and
maintainers,
and
also
around
like
rewarding
and
incentivizing,
was
also
make
trying
to
get
at
the
folks
part
of
that
rewarding
and
incentivizing
is
like,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
what
opportunities
are
available
to
you.
So,
as
you
can
see
from
basically
from
all
the
different
subsections.
C
This
should
be
like
an
opportunity
to
see.
Where
does
d
I
play
a
role
and
I
know
Jay,
and
when
you
and
I
were
actually
talking,
we
were
zeroing
in
on
one
of
the
pieces
of
this
plan,
which
is
under
rewards
and
incentivizing
Developers,
and
one
of
the
key
parts
of
that.
If
I
scroll
down
to
it,
we
highlighted
3.13,
which
is
related
to
let's
go
script
section,
which
is
like
partner
Partnerships
with
undeserved,
underserved
communities
and
Alternate
learning
paths.
C
So
that's
kind
of
like
one
section
that
we
could
go
into
and
actually
have
a
discussion
on
thoughts
and
ideas
of
what
this
could
look
like,
because
what
we
want
is
an
outcome
potentially
of
this
meeting
is
to
go
back
in
and
flesh
out
these
pieces
and
see
what
can
be
made
part
of
the
plan
to
basically
make
this
a
more
solid
plan.
So
that's
one
thing
that
we
can
start
discussing,
but
beyond
that
we
also
need
to
be
mindful
of
the
other
parts
like
what
type
of
Learners
are
we
trying
to
reach?
C
Is
the
content
accessible
and
available
for
that?
So
that's
where
we
would
lean
on
your
expertise
to
kind
of
help
us
out
any
additional
thoughts.
Jay
around
this.
A
The
initiatives
that
might
already
be
undertaken
Emily
had
a
good
point
yesterday
during
the
education
segment,
when
she
mentioned
the
the
the
initiatives
that
might
currently
be
be
undertaken
by
by
the
LF
or
by
openness
of
it,
I'm
not
sure
whether
openness
stuff
itself
is
doing
anything
d,
e
and
I
related,
but
but
trying
to
understand
what
those
initiatives
are
that
are
currently
undertaking
what's
already
in
flight
and
maybe
leveraging
some
of
those
and
then
also
maybe
leveraging
some
of
the
individuals
in
the
LF
that
are
currently
working
on
this
stuff.
A
That
might
already
have
that
they're
they're
hands
in
or
or
maybe
they've
already.
You
know
reached
out
and
have
connections
in
certain
places
where
we
don't
have
to
fight
as
hard
to
have
these
to
have
these
kind
of
conversations,
so
I
think
I
think
that's
important
as
well
also
things
that
we
can
do
simultaneous
it.
I
I
mean
when
I
went
out
and
I
started,
asking
questions
to
some
of
the
hbcus
I
got.
A
This
I
got
similar
responses
back,
but
it
was
because
I
was
asking
the
question
being
Jay
from
Microsoft
right,
saying:
hey,
we
know
Microsoft
and
F5
want
to
come
in
and
do,
and
it's
like
well
well,
there's
already
like
10
of
you
here
already.
What
are
you
going
to
bring
that's
different
and
then
what's
the
ROI
for
our
learners?
A
Okay,
so
it's
so
I
think
part
of
it
in
in
and
Christina's
mentioned,
that
I
think
I
think
we
should
ground
I
think
we
should
ground
up
on
this
one
or
go
from
the
from
the
bottom
up
on
this
one,
take
a
bottom-up
approach
and
start
thinking
about
what
what
would
the
result
or
outcomes
be,
whether
it
be
getting
them
exposed
inside
of
the
working
groups
under
the
open
ssf?
That
could
be
a
marker
of
exposure
for
them.
A
They
can,
you
know,
be
able
to
voice
ideas
openly
and
freely
with
industry
individuals
who
are
already
here,
who
might
be
able
to
help
them
out
later
on
I
shrug
the
shows,
I,
don't
know,
but
but
I
think
the
bottom-up
approach
is
what
would
the
outcome
be
or
what
what
the
ROI
be
and
then
build
out
from
there
just
so
that
we
have
a
story
to
tell
that
has
a
somewhat
of
a
decent
ending
somewhat
of
a
decent
ending
rather
than
coming
in
with
the
story,
and
then
when
they
ask
for
what
the
conclusion
is,
we
don't
really
have
a
solid
one
to
give
them
outside
of
it.
E
Because
I
mean
I
just
started
with
Ella
like
about
a
month
ago,
and
this
was
brought
to
my
attention
like
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
one
of
the
things
I'm
struggling
is
like
that
initial
Communications
call
right,
I
have
I,
have
relations
with
like
several
universities
down
in
South
Florida,
where
I
already
set
up
like
women
in
Tech
and
Latinos,
and
cyber
events
I
also
do
self-defense
in
these
different
groups
as
well,
but
the
initial
communication,
the
initial
story
of
hey.
This
is
what
we're
trying
to
do.
E
This
is
going
to
be
the
outcome.
That's
one
of
the
pieces
where
I
need
to
start
creating.
First
before
we
can
actually
Reach
Out,
so
very
good
points.
Jay.
C
And
I
know
that
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
go
back
to
the
education
seg
plan,
but
one
of
the
pieces
in
there
is
actually
thinking
about
what
are
the
outcomes
is,
and
then
that
might
be
like
the
good
story
to
tell
us
we
can
handle
like
zero
in
on
the
incentives
and
the
rewards
and
what
the
outcomes
could
look
like.
But
I
also
appreciate
that
that
thinking
back
and
and
the
ROI,
because
it's
like
rois,
mean
I,
think
different
things
to
different
people.
C
But
here
we
want
to
zero
in
on
again
was
the
ROI
for
the
for
the
actually
the
learner.
Does
anyone
know
about
like
the
the
question
that
Jay
asked
or
what
are
the
existing
LF
initiatives?
And
can
we
leverage
those
initiatives?
Does
anyone
have
like
a
good
sense
of
what
those
are.
E
C
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
can
potentially
just
kind
of
like
dig
into
the
actual
rewards
and
incentive
plans
and
maybe
just
like
brainstorm,
some
thoughts
and
ideas
about
around
what
could
be
additional
things
that
we
could
potentially
look
into
so
again,
just
focusing
in
on
this
and
there's
actually
different
pieces
because,
as
Emily
who's
may
or
may
not
joined
the
meeting.
But
she
wanted
to
kind
of
he
kept
in
the
loop.
C
So
just
as
we
read
this
plan,
the
goal
around
this
sub,
this
kind
of
like
item,
was
to
develop
five
or
ten
meaningful
Global
Partnerships
with
underserved
communities
to
deliver
content
and
alternative
or
non-collegiate
situations,
and
historically
black
colleges
and
universities,
hbcus
Hispanic
serving
institutions,
hsis
Community,
College
and
all
those
different
places,
and
so
the
idea
is
in
terms
of
like
the
Milestones
of
like
developed
five
or
ten
meaningful
Global
Partnerships,
and
it's
basically
a
lot
of
it's
around
developing
Partnerships.
B
God,
oh
no
I
think
this
is
a
a
great
idea,
I
I
think
from
my
standpoint,
it's
like
examining
like
if
we
were
supposed
to
partner
up
with
one
of
the
given
lists
or
examples
here
like
the
hbcus
and
looking
at
like
what
other
Partnerships
they
have.
That
might
be
similar
if
they
do
and
examining
like
what
those
Partnerships
offer
and
then
kind
of
Leverage
like
what
kind
of
would
be
different
about
like
our
partnership
or
what
can
we
bring
I?
E
B
C
And
I
think
that
kind
of
speaks
to
what
Jay
was
talking
about
is
that
going
into
some
of
these
institutions
might
be
like
already,
they
might
be
existing
Partnerships
and
the
question
is
like:
why
are
they
there,
but
also
why?
What
are
you
offering
that's
going
to
be
different.
A
Yeah
one
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
and
I
and
I
sometimes,
and
so
this
this
next
part
I,
have
to
say
the
way.
The
way
it's
intended
to
be
understood
every
year
around
the
same
time,
every
year
organizations
get
a
calling
to
be
philanthropic
right
to
get
a
calling
to
to
to
be
charitable
and
give
and
quote
unquote,
give
back,
and
that
ideology,
however,
earn.
However
Earnest
it
sounds,
does
not
serve
these
institutions.
A
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
almost
what's.
What's
the
word,
I
can't
remember
the
word
Jesus
patronizing
right.
These
institutions
are
really
great
institutions
and
and
really
great
schools
with
really
great
curriculums
and
very,
very
smart
students.
A
So
when
you
go
to
them,
there's
there
is
a
chip
on
their
shoulder
right.
There
is
a
chip.
The
chip
on
the
shoulder
is
large
and
the
chip
on
the
shoulder
is
dude.
You
guys
come
in
here.
Every
year
you
set
up
whatever
program
you
want
to
set
up
when
it
comes
time
to
sit
across
from
you
and
have
an
interview
when
it
comes
time
to
get
selected
for
potential
employment
when
it
comes
time
to
be
a
candidate.
A
A
A
A
Once
again,
I
said
a
lot,
but
thanks,
but
but
I'm
only
going
based
off
of
What
Not
only
what
I
I'm
going
back
so
there's
two
things:
I'm
going
based
off
how
I
feel
right
because
I
haven't
come
from
those
communities.
I
am
black
and
brown
right.
I
I
came
up
in
New,
York,
City,
I,
didn't
know
nothing
about
an
I.T
or
a
tech.
I
knew
nothing
about
any
of
this
until
I
got
to
college
and
I
took
my
first
computer
class
before
that
I
was
a
marketing.
Major
I
had
no
clue
so.
A
For
for
me,
it's
it's
a
it's
only
thought,
but
it's
also
what
I
hear
so
when
I
reached
out
and
it's
like
I
got
it
I
mean
I,
mean
I
hate,
saying
I
got
I
got
I
mean
I
got
smacked.
I
got
this.
We
got
smacked
I
reached
out
I'm,
saying
and
now
I
sound,
like
I'm,
coming
through
with
Charity
I've,
been
on
Earnest
I'm,
really
saying.
No
I
have
real
skills
that
I
want
to
pass
down.
I
I
that
we
need
to
be
doing
this.
A
You
know,
but
it
didn't
look
that
way
because
I
said
and
I'm
being
honest,
it's
because
I
said
from
Microsoft,
that's
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
that's.
The
real
of
this
I
said
that
so
automatically
I'm
lumped
in
all
right,
so
so
I
mean
once
again.
I
said
a
lot
just
now,
but
I
mean
that's.
That's
the
the
thing
that
that
things
to
keep
in
mind.
C
E
With
with
what
Jay
said,
I
think
another
beneficial
partnership
would
be
Partnerships
that
are
going
to
help
us
mentor.
The
individuals
were
looking
at
universities
and
folks
in
these
you
know,
underrepresentative
organizations
and
me,
as
a
college
student
I,
didn't
know
what
to
do.
I
didn't
know
how
to
interview
I
didn't
know
like
if
you
would
have
granted
me
or
you
know,
provided
this
and
said:
hey
open
up.
The
stuff
is
doing
this.
E
To
teach
you
and
train
I
wouldn't
know
where
to
go
or
how
to
start
so,
I
think
having
somebody
there
available
to
like
answer,
questions
and
kind
of
I
don't
say,
hold
their
hands,
but
being
that,
like
you
know,
Big
Brother
Big
Sister
to
help
guide
them
like
hey,
okay,
let's,
because
cyber
security
is
Big
software
engineering
is
you
know
Big
Field
too,
as
well,
so
folks
see
it,
they
either
think
you
know.
E
Cyber
security
is
hacking
or
you
know
software
development,
just
writing
code
all
day
kind
of
having
that
one
partner
or
you
know,
set
of
Partners
to
kind
of
have
Drive
these
mentorship
conversations.
So
it
becomes
essentially
a
four
four
or
five
tier.
You
have
the
folks
that
are
kind
of
being
the
front
head.
You
know,
guidance
and
you
know
hey,
go
take
this
training
and
go
talk
to
this
person
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
training
camps
and
things
like
that.
E
It
really
depends
on
their
background,
their
skills,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
interviewing
and
like
the
resume,
writing
and
the
negotiation,
I
think
that's
that's
where
folks
are
struggling
to
come
into
the
industry,
because
they're
not
branding
themselves
in
a
proper
way,
but
because
they
don't
have
the
opportunities
or
the
resources
to
figure
out
what
they're
doing
incorrectly
or
how
they're
not
branding
themselves
right.
E
So
I
I
would
think
adding
kind
of
a
developing
partnership
with
you
know:
mentorship
organizations.
You
have
black
suit
code,
you
have
Latinas
in
Tech
Latinas
and
cyber
there's
like
a
wide
range
of
women
in
cyber
security
women
in
cyber
security
Jitsu.
E
That
could
potentially
be
partners
to
help
and
they
do
mentorship
programs.
So
we
can
partner
with
them
leverage
one
of
their
core
holds
their.
You
know
their
processes
and
kind
of
drive
it
as
a
multiple
tier
kind
of
flow.
C
Yeah,
that's
actually
a
good
point
yeah.
So
it's
not!
The
partnership
is
not
just
like.
You
also
need,
like
those
other
Partnerships
in
between
developing
those
sorry
identifying
the
actual
mentoring
types
of
partner
organizations
that
you
can
work
with.
C
C
And
some
of
those
I
know
from
some
of
my
experience
as
well,
and
he
kind
of
touched
on
this,
also
identifying.
Who
could
be
like
the
role
models
that
people
see
beyond
it
could
be
like
playing
role
in
the
mentoring,
but
a
key
thing
is
it's
also
having
those
Role
Models
people
can
step
in
and
just
basically,
you
need
to
Showcase
those
types
of
books.
A
Yeah
I
really
like
the
mentor
piece
I
like
I,
like
the
mentor
piece,
but
one
thing
that
I
that
so
the
one
thing
I'll
say
about
the
mentor
piece:
I
have
kids
that
I've
mentored
for
over
a
decade
I
mean
they.
Mines
will
be
my
kids
now
right,
I
mean
I,
but
because,
but
because
the
one
thing
that
I
learned
not
having
a
mentor
was
consistency
and
un
unconditional
consistency
and
unconditional
love
in
mentorship.
A
A
Then
it
was
once
every
couple
of
weeks
and
now
it's
once
a
month,
but
he
taught
me
what
it
means
to
be
consistent
with
underrepresented
communities,
so
the
kids
that
I
Mentor
now
it's
it's
it's
been
decades
because
you
can't
you,
you
have
to
remain
you,
you
and
you
have
to
you,
have
to
remain
and
you
have
to
let
them
fail.
You
have
to
let
them
succeed.
You
have
to
let
them
fail,
but
what
you
can't
do.
A
Is
it
the
first
sign
of
disagreement
or
the
first
sign
of
failure
or
the
first
sign
of
you
know
they
want
to
what
happens
if
they
want
to
drop
out
of
school,
for
whatever
reason
so
now,
you're
gone.
That
can't
happen.
So
so,
when
we
go
down
the
path
of
mentorship,
we
gotta
we
have
to
go
down
that
path
very,
very
delicately,
but
also
with
the
understanding
that
that's
almost
a
a
permanent
situation.
C
Any
other
thoughts
on
so
I've
heard
mentorship
is
important.
We
need
consistent
mentoring
and
also
what
else
do
we
need
equal
and
Equitable
Playing
Fields
I
mean
I'm
dropping
some
of
the
notes
that
I
was
that
I
heard
and
feel
free
to
drop
in
anything
else.
D
Hi
I
just
volunteered
to
come
this
committee.
Is
it
okay,
I.
D
I'll
I'll
first
give
you
like
a
quick
10
seconds.
Some
introduction,
my
name's
Nicole
I've
been
working
in
engineering
and
cyber
security
over
20
years
I'm,
a
graduate
of
an
HBCU
well
I,
got
my
degree
in
mechanical
engineering
from
Tennessee
State
University
I
spent
The
First,
beginning
of
my
career
working,
supporting
the
federal
government
in
the
form
of
defense
and
intelligence
agencies,
and
in
the
past
five
six
years,
I've
been
working
on
the
commercial
side,
really
focused
on
different
aspects
of
cyber
security,
ranging
from
everything
from
pen
testing
to
strategic
guidance.
D
Okay,
just
to
kind
of
have
a
little
background
in
context.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions,
I
guess
I
would
ask,
would
your
education
program?
Is
it
specifically
limited
to
children,
or
is
it
just
education
targeted
at
underrepresented
groups
in
general?
Okay,.
C
So
quickly,
this
the
program
that
we're
actually
trying
to
build
is
to
it's
actually
a
a
set
of
things
that
we
needed
to
do.
But
there
is
a
plan
that
education
said
was
putting
together
and
in
that
plan
one
of
the
key
pieces
was
identifying
all
of
the
gaps
that
are
in
there.
And
if
you
look
at
those
three
proposed
streams
that
we're
trying
to
put
together
what
this
plan
would
look
like
and
one
of
the
key
pieces
was
creating
gaps
and
opportunities
area
and
there's
actually
a
spreadsheet
materials
Matrix.
C
That
was
basically
trying
to
Define
what
were
the
missing
gaps
and
if
you
look
at
the
spreadsheet,
The
Matrix
had
different
pieces
of
it
and
in
there
was
notes
related
to
what
was
missing,
but
also
what
different
types
of
Learners
there
would
be
so
I
try
to
cover
as
many
as
possible,
including
new
Learners,
Etc
I'm,
hoping
that
answers
your
question.
D
D
Focused
on
on
the
kids,
getting
the
college,
kids,
the
young
professionals
or
experienced
professionals
right,
because
most
of
this
looks
towards
geared
towards
kind
of
high
school
college,
right
and
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
important
when
you're
looking
at
kind
of
what
you're
trying
to
do
in
return
on
investment
and
kind
of
bang.
For
your
butt,
because
you
know
you
can't
please
all
the
people
all
the
time
you
got
to
start
somewhere.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out!
G
A
Good
question
and
I
I
know
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
answer
that
saying
that
I
had
a
similar
conversation
in
another
in
the
whole
other
working
group,
with
respect
to
the
the
education
opportunities
and
thinking
about
your
professor
people,
who
are
already
in
the
field
and
everything
else.
What
we're
targeting
here
is
under
in
the
communities
when
we
say
that
we're
talking
about
hbcus
hsis,
also
and
and
and
this
could
happen
much
later,
but
I'm
thinking
about
feeder
institutions
as
well,
so
feeder
feeder
high
schools
to
hbcus.
A
D
A
Talking
about
the
Dunbar
in
DC,
absolutely
and
and
that
no,
that
that'd
be
a
feeder
High
School
to
hbcus
right
hbcus
they'll
apply
the
hbcus,
mostly
out
of
the
high
speed
right.
A
So
that's,
but
that's
future
state
right.
Current
state
would
be
hbcus,
and
this
matter
of
fact,
when,
when
Christine
and
I
started
talking,
it
was
mainly
we
have
stuff
going
on
and
a
lot
of
Ivy
League
institutions.
We
should
be
bringing
that
stuff
to
hvcus
and
then
and
I'm,
not
sure
when
you
came
into
the
conversation
but
the,
but
in
the
beginning
of
the
conversation,
I
prefaced
a
lot
of
that
saying.
Well,
when
I
spoke
to
hbcus
the
car,
the
conversation
was:
what's
the
return.
A
What's
the
ROI
on
that
right,
what
kind
of
opportunities
are
available
after
the
fact
right,
there's
still
the
ratio
of
of
HBCU
CS
students
and
then
those
that
get
hired
in
Fang
organizations?
The
ratios
are
still
very
small.
What's
the
ROI
right,
if
with
one,
if
one
of
these
Blue
Chip
organizations
come
in
and
they
they
want
to
help
out,
and
they
want
to.
You
know
that's
great,
but
then
what
does
that
translate
to
candidate
opportunities
or
interview
opportunities
or
employment
opportunities
right?
A
We
take
initiatives
that
that
we're
building
internally
here
and
we
bring
those
out
and
then
and
instead
of
just
thinking
about
employment
opportunities,
think
about
mentorship
opportunities,
mentorship
opportunities
are
a
lot
longer,
take
the
education
and
the
mentorship
and
that's
why,
when
the
singer
said
that
earlier,
that
was
that
that
was
spot
on
the
mentorship
opportunities
are
extremely
important.
So
so
to
answer
your
question:
Bring
It,
Around,
full
circle.
We
are
thinking
about
hbcus.
We
aren't
thinking
about
hsis,
underrepresented
schools
and
communities.
A
That
way-
and
we
are
thinking
about
the
future
State
feeder
feeder,
high
schools
into
these
organizations
and
those
underrepresented
communities
as
well,
and
how
can
we
get
the
students
a
little
bit
younger
to
embrace
software
engineering
to
embrace
cyber
security
and
and
things
of
that
nature.
D
It
sounds
like
college,
so
so
I'm
gonna
I'm
giving
you
some
some
feed
for
thought
because
we're
having
discussions
right
so
Jay
I'm,
going
to
kind
of
counter
one
of
your
points
she
made
a
little
bit
earlier.
Go
ahead,
going
through
an
engineering
program
at
HBCU,
I'm
gonna
say
the
one
thing
that
they
actually
did
very
well
was
professional
development.
D
Okay,
because
at
the
engineering
school
most
people
are
coming
in
and
getting
jobs.
So
it
was
not
a
single
semester
that
we
did
not
have
to
do
a
resume
that
we
did
not
have
assignments
built
in
where
we
met
with
people
from
our
industrial
cluster
and
with
dealing
with
hbcus
and
you're.
Talking
about
I,
hear
you
say,
CS
but
I.
D
Cs
doesn't
have
to
be
under
engineering
school,
it
can
kind
of
sit
separately,
but
in
all
the
engineering
schools
that
are
a
bit
they
will
have
to
do
some
type
of
programming
and
some
of
the
things
that
kind
of
align
with
some
of
the
initiatives
that
you're
having
out
there.
D
One
thing
I
would
say,
though,
is
that
making
sure
you
have
exposure
to
some
of
the
newer
Technologies
and
activities
with
some
of
those
schools
to
make
sure
they
have.
Some
of
the
same
experiences
will
help
a
lot
with
coming
in
and
stepping
in
in
interviews.
D
I
will
say
at
the
time
I
guess,
they're
still
fully
credited
I,
don't
know
they
got
one
major
in
credit,
now
they're
not
the
same
when
I
left,
but
we
used
to
have
a
lot
of
people
come
to
our
school
because
it
was
fully
accredited
and
that
companies
would
openly
recruit.
But
now,
once
I
started
working,
there
were
some
things
that
I
was
not
exposed
to
just
because
the
school
didn't
have.
Let's
say
everything
updated
so
I
guess
when
you're
talking
about
mentorship
I
do
feel
like
in
the
technical
field.
D
There
are
some
areas
you
need
exposure
to
certain
skills
and
at
least
that
opportunity
to
work
somewhere
and
do
similar
projects
that
you
would
see
out
professionally
for
in
order
to
make
some
of
them
more
competitive,
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
see,
Kai
I
guess
some
of
some
of
that
there
I
mean
mentorship,
and
some
of
that
is
good.
D
Those
things
are
kind
of
good
experiences
from
participating
in
something
like
that.
That
would
help
them
be
more
competitive
when
they
go
in
and
talk
to
Fang
interviews
and
have
exposure
to
certain
things.
D
Just
as
far
as
I
guess,
I'm
looking
at
kind
of
things
and
stuff
to
look
at
I
guess,
I
would
kind
of
characterize
that
as
experience,
because
that's
that's
gonna
help
a
lot
in
addition
to
I
guess
resume
writing
and
things
like
that,
so
something
that
could
kind
of
complement
some
of
the
existing
mentorship
programs
and
things
like
that
that
can
help
give
them
some
of
those
experiences
to
make
them
better
prepared
for
things
that
they
would
see.
D
E
There
I'm
gonna
jump
in
real,
quick,
and
it's
mostly
because
Nico
we
just
quickly
briefly
mentioned
this
in
the
earlier
part
of
the
car
through
the
alpha
omega
project,
we're
trying
to
do
kind
of
a
vulnerability
research,
a
full
triage
to
disclosure
of
vulnerabilities
that
we
find
so
part
of
that
will
be
what
you're
mentioning
is
getting
that
Hands-On
exposure
experience
through
either
developing
software
and
producing
results
for
the
Alpha
Omega
a
tool
chain,
or
some
of
the
Open
Source
Products,
or
even
just
doing
the
vulnerability
research
to
the
full,
triage
and
disclosure.
E
But
that
is
one
of
the
pieces
that
also
kind
of
drove
this
conversation
is
because
that's
focused
around
University
and
that
if
you
have
a
mentor
or
point
of
contact,
essentially
that
was
the
idea
of
the
role
model.
The
mentor
was
kind
of.
The
point
of
contact
was
like
how
do
I
get
these
skills?
How
do
I
get
these
internship
skills
or
interview,
skills
or
hey?
E
This
job
description
says:
I
need
to
know
waws,
you
know,
what's
the
best
route
for
I
can
take
for
this,
but
going
back
to
the
Omega
Alpha
Omega
is
part
of
having
that
is
getting
the
the
students,
oh
well,
as
well
as
getting
their
hands
on
into
writing
software.
Doing
pull
requests
reviewing
open
source
software,
foreign.
E
Yeah,
it
would
be
the
full
sdlc
yeah.
C
I'll,
let
Max
introduce
himself
because
I
know
he
has
a
thoughts
on
this
as
well.
Yeah.
F
Hey
folks,
sorry
I'm
very
late
here
this.
This
is
one
of
the
slots
I
couldn't
do
today,
but
but
I
had
to
be
here.
My
name
is
Max
I
work
at
Major,
League
hacking,
also
known
as
mlh,
where
we
support
one
of
the
largest
communities
of
early
career
developers
in
the
world.
F
150
000
at
Young,
Engineers,
take
part
in
our
programs
last
year
and
a
lot
of
the
programs
that
we
run
are
exactly
to
solve
these
sorts
of
problems,
of
building
people,
building
practical
skills
for
people
and
and
closing
the
gap
between
what
people
learn
in
the
classroom
and
what
they
need
to
land
their
dream.
Job,
I,
I
love
what
I'm
hearing
here
so
so
much
what
I'm
hearing
is
very
aligned
to
like
the
approaches
that
we
take,
and
you
know
the
work
that
we
do.
F
I
I
actually
think
there
are.
There
are
two
challenges
that
that
we
should
think
about
here
from
a
from
a
gei
perspective
and
they're
very
closely
linked
to
the
two
challenges:
bigger
picture
that
we
have
around
early
careers
in
this
space.
So
so
challenge
one
is
that
people
who
are
in
education,
starting
their
careers
at
the
moment,
are
not
aware
or
excited
about
being
security
engineers.
F
We
we
surveyed
around
10
000
people
a
couple
of
months
ago,
and
this
was
the
lowest
of
all
the
different
engineering
roles
in
terms
of
people's
interests.
You
know
everyone
wants
to
be
a
front-end
engineer,
full
stack
engineer
or
a
you
know.
A
web
3
engineer,
I,
think
the
the
awareness
and
excitement
about
the
topic
is
is
a
huge
gap
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
really.
F
F
You
know
security
space
and
that's
something
we've
done
very
successfully
in
the
past
around
like
production,
engineering,
site,
reliability,
engineering
and
other
fields,
and
then
the
other
side
of
it
is
taking
somebody
from
having
gone
through
a
training
program
to
being
able
to
start
work,
and-
and
you
know
it's
been
said
a
couple
of
times
already-
the
the
biggest
Gap
really
is
like
improving
that
you
can
do
it
in
the
real
world
and
and
that
really
means
building
a
portfolio
of
work
that
you
can
take
to
interviewers.
F
F
We
we
do
lots
of
work
as
well
around
you
know,
interview,
training
and
and
and
like
resume
building
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
yeah
what
we've
seen
time
and
time
again
is.
If
people
have
on
their
resume,
you
know
I'm
a
security
agent
and
they
have
links
to
merge,
pull
requests
and
well-known
libraries
that
they're
off
those
people
are
gonna.
You
know
really
really
accelerate
and
the
public
portfolio
of
of
work
I
think
it's
super
super
important
and
a
real
leveler.
C
Okay,
so
we've
done
some
good
input
and
crop
also
joined
about
10
minutes
ago
and
he's
been
like
spearheading
the
education
plan
and
travel
trying
to
we'll
actually
just
like
roughing
on
some
of
the
challenges
around
Di
and
education
in
general.
We
did
touch
and
actually
show
the
plan.
We
didn't
go
into
all
of
the
different
pieces.
We
highlighted
at
least
the
rewards
and
incentives,
but
I
know
that
there's
probably
some
work
to
do
in
the
other
subcommitted
plans,
including
like
curating
the
content
and
also
expanding
existing
training.
C
G
I
think
this
is
great,
so
far,
I've
been
watching
you
take
notes,
while
I
was
in
my
other
call.
Okay
looks
good.
A
I
was
I
was
just
getting
ready
to
say
that
with
the
last
with
the
last
10
minutes
left,
you
know
Nicole's
points
Max's
points,
I
mean
they
do
we
tossed
out
a
lot
of
great
stuff
here,
I
think
what
might
be
good,
especially
because
we're
doing
this
now
and
we're
coming
into
the
end
of
the
year,
so
people
get
head
now
holiday
break
but
get
a
nice
list
together
of
I
I,
guess
an
outline
so
to
speak
of
of
what
of
what
we
want
to
do
criteria
wise
or
what
this
all
should
look
like
criteria
wise
right,
I
mean
we
we've
got.
A
We've
got
some
some
great
inputs,
but
let's
start
I
mean
was
it
started
or
numbered
or
not
numbered
necessarily,
but
the
dotted
list
of
okay?
This
is
what
we
want.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
we
mentorship
okay,
so
on
the
mentorship.
What
does
that
look
like?
We
want
to
make
sure
we
educate
when
to
educate,
actual
education.
When
those
education
pieces
look
like
when
it
becomes
to
Opportunities,
you
know:
do
we
want
to
maybe
have
partnered
organizations
that
want
to
do
internships?
A
Okay,
but
what
does
that
look
like
right
so
so
so
take
a
get
a
list
down
and
then
kind
of
itemize
those
lists
based
on.
What's
what's
critical
what
we
could
work
on
and
then
maybe
we
can
prioritize
that
list
on
things
that
we
can
do.
What
can
we
get
done
now?
What
will
take
you,
you
know,
there's
a
difficult
is
it
you
know
you
do
the
difficult.
A
Now
you
take
care
of
the
the
The
Impossible
later
right,
hard
now
difficult,
soon
impossible
later
right,
we
break
things
out
that
way,
I
mean
we've
got
we
tossed
out
a
lot
of
great
stuff
I,
just
think
that
we
should
probably
get
it
down
in
the
form
of
past
just
the
notes
that
we're
taking,
but
really
just
something,
that's
hardened,
that
we
can
all
look
back
on
and
start
thinking
about
and
start
putting
mine
to
as
we
go
into
the
break.
C
C
Yeah
so
I
heard
mentorship
education
internships.
A
Nicole,
you
mentioned
a
couple
that
you
mentioned
a
couple
of
different
things
when,
when
you
were
talking
you,
you
mentioned
the
resume
right,
you
mentioned
resume.
Writing
you
mentioned
the
the
the
professional
aspects
of
that
and
I
and
I
think
that
you
parsed
out
mentorship
and
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
curriculum
where,
where
they
can,
they
can
often
be
be
one
in
the
same.
A
strong
Mentor
can
help
a
student.
A
Do
that,
but
I
think
you,
you
might
be
right
in
the
context
where
mentorship
isn't
also
making
sure
that
the
professional
aspects
that
are
being
delivered
are
applicable
are
applicable
in
modern
times.
As
you
also
said,
some
of
that
stuff
might
be
dated
a
little
bit,
which
is
all
which
is
what
I
hear
as
well
right.
So
so
that
being
the
case,
what
can
we
do
to
keep
on
par
with?
A
What's
current
even
in
resume
writing
even
in
the
interviews
and
everything
else,
because
every
organization
also
interviews
differently
too
that
do
you
have
a
core?
You
have
that
core
criteria
of
things
that
get
hit
on
when
it
comes
to
engineering
specifically,
but
every
every
organization
has
a
different
way
of
doing
that
and
Crow
just
mentioned
something
about
office
hours,
which
I
think
is
great
as
well,
but
but
to
bring
up
some
of
that
bring
some
of
that
stuff
up.
F
F
People
can
get
that
I
think
it
could
be
really
useful
to
also
break
out
education
into
what
I
would
say
is
like
engineering,
soft
skills
and
career
preparation,
so
in
engineering
soft
skills
I'm
talking
about
like
how
to
use
git
and
GitHub,
you
know
how
to
demo
code
that
you've
written
like
all
of
the
stuff
that
people
do
every
day
as
professional
software
Engineers,
that
you
don't
learn,
as
you
know,
as
a
stem
student
at
any
kind
of
school
and
then
on
the
cut
on
the
career
preparation
side.
F
That
is
resume
writing
interview
skills.
All
of
that
stuff,
I
think
I'd
also
include
like
coding
tests
things
like
that
as
well.
Right,
like
a
lot
of
organizations,
put
an
online
code
screen
before
anything
else,
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
people
a
lot
of
people
from
non-traditional
backgrounds.
C
A
Yeah
Max
I
I
mean
I'll
even
take
copy
that
there's
nothing
wrong
with
being
a
program
or
a
project
manager
and
learning
no
soft
skills
as
well.
How
do
you
get
and
how
do
you
give
and
receive
feedback?
A
How
the?
How
do
you
know
what?
What
is
what
does
that
look
like?
How
do
you
evaluate
I
I
mean
I,
I
I
often
say
you
know
you
can
be
a
foot
soldier,
you
can
be
a
foot
soldier,
but
one
day
you
got
to
be
a
leader
right.
So
so
how
do
you
start
instilling
a
lot
of
those
a
lot
of
those
principles
too?
Even
in
engineering,
how
do
you
become
an
engineering
leader
right.
C
F
I'm,
definitely
with
you
I
think
the
the
closer
the
outcomes
focus
on
you
know,
making
the
internet
more
secure
right,
so
so
getting
more
qualified
security
Engineers
into
the
workforce
and
patching
the
critical
projects.
You
know
the
I
think
the
more
likely
funding
and
activities
are
going
to
be
pointed
in
this
direction.
C
Yeah,
oh
Crow,
we
have
something
to
say:
we've
got
about
a
minute,
yeah.
G
Two
points:
Nicole,
Max
and
yesi
all
stressed
about
the
developing.
A
portfolio
of
work.
I
think
that's
something
we
want
to
put
down
as
one
of
our
goals
is
to
try
to
provide
experiences
to
give
that
demonstrable
experience
and
then,
secondly,
around
like
internships,
specifically,
we
could
put
in
a
goal
and
challenge
the
governing
board.
You
know
you
all
this
is
you
know.
Dei
is
something
we
all
value.
Everyone
has
their
own
programs.
G
Let's,
we
could
put
a
challenge
to
them
to
make
a
commitment
that
all
of
the
potentially
Premier
members,
for
example,
you
might
sponsor
x
amount
of
technical
internships
for
this
particular
piece
of
the
program.
So
we
could
write
something
in
like
that.
C
Okay,
I
like
that,
and
that's
what
Jay
and
I
were
going
so
we're
at
time
we're.
Probably
everyone
potentially
has
access
to
the
slack
Channel
and
we
should
definitely
go
ahead
and
we
can
like
there
will
probably
put
a
doodle
poll
on
what
we
want
to
do
next
year
in
terms
of
like
a
permanent
meeting
time
and
figure
out
what
the
frequency
is.
C
C
Right,
thank
you.
I,
don't
know,
if
are
you
in
the
open,
ssf
Slack
Nicole?
C
C
G
It
Christine
Jay
great
work,
all.
A
Yeah
I
got
a
call
at
at
nine.
I
got
the
salsa
meeting
at
nine.