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From YouTube: Education SIG DEI Subcommittee (March 14, 2023)
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A
B
B
A
B
B
Well,
yeah
I
think
overseas.
Folks
it
might
get
a
little
messed
up.
Some
states
here,
like
if
you're
in
Arizona,
for
instance
or
Hawaii,
or
something
like
that
it'll
get
a
little
messed
up.
Okay,
some
of
those
states
that
don't
that
don't
change
actually
I'm,
not
sure.
Well,
some
of
those
things
that
don't
change
over.
A
A
B
B
B
I,
don't
know
I
could
I
don't
want
to
get
on
a
conspirate
I
want
to
get
on
my
conspiracy,
theorist
soapbox
here,
but
a
lot
of
stuff
happened
prior
to
a
lot
of
stuff
happening
right
now,
that's
only
exacerbating
a
lot
of
problems
of
the
stuff
that
was
happening
before
I'm,
just
saying
I.
You
know
this
this.
This
is
getting
ridiculous.
You're.
C
B
A
C
A
B
D
C
B
No,
so
what
we
wanted
to
talk
about
today
was
the
outline
we
wanted
to
talk
about
submittings
for
opennesses
update
and
wanted
to
get
a
gauge
on
volunteers.
For
that
and
I'm
sorry
I
got
a
lot
of
noise,
Happening
Here
in
the
garage
I'm
trying
to
run
in
the
house
to
get
to
the
computer,
but
we
gotta.
We
wanted
to
get
volunteers
for
open
ssf
day,
especially
since
we
got
picked
up
for
the
open
summer.
We
feel
like
we
could
share
the
wealth
on
speaking
and
stuff
like
that.
B
During
that
time,
Percy
want
to
get
a
gauge
on
that
I
think
that
was
pretty
much.
What
we
wanted
to
go
over
outside
of
any
additions
Nicole
might
have
made
to
to
the
to
the
spreadsheet
or
anything
else
that
we
need
to
do
in
that
regard.
I
think
we
want
to
shorten
up
our
shock
group
on
we're
on
our
30
60
90.
Just
because
you
know
the
speaking
engagement
is
going
to
take
a
lot
of
time
and,
of
course,
yeah.
C
B
C
A
C
C
A
B
C
A
E
B
B
You
know,
oh
I
mean
hell.
I
even
think
that
we're
that
we
I
wanted
to
say
that
we're
holding
off
like
correct
me
from
wrong
Christian,
and
we
wanted
to
hold
off
on
talking
about
the
larger
effort
on
on
this
until
until
like
in
increase
pen
to
paper
on,
on
the
whole
that
whole
working
group
whole
working
group
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
I
think
we
want
to
submit
that
all
at
once,
but
I.
Imagine
that
well.
B
So
part
of
this
is
when
we
talk
about
what
we've
done.
I
want
to
bring
up
that
spreadsheet.
Yeah
I
think
that
spreadsheet
I
think
that
is
an
extremely
important
and,
as
a
Segway
later
on
I
think
when
I
bring
up
that
spreadsheet
I.
Think
I
will
give
one
a
one
sentence
leading
towards
the
larger
effort,
because
I
think
that
that
spreadsheet
by
itself,
although
it
does
highlight
Global
efforts,
is,
is
a
if
there
isn't
a
bigger
Catalyst
to
why
that
larger
effort
is
important.
B
B
A
B
E
Look
yeah,
it's
a
a
really
good,
so
a
buy-in
principle
that
I
use
is
I'll.
Basically,
three
bullet
points
is
like
what
is
the
like
benefit
to
doing
it
then
Focus,
primarily
on
the
risk
to
not
doing
it,
followed
by
a
call
to
action,
and
if
you
want
to
make
it
a
suspect
and
cogent
argument
that
calls
for
action
and
immediacy
I
would
also
recommend
that
immediately
upon
that,
we
give
a
deadline
for
that.
Hey,
here's,
a
submission
form
we'd
like
to
start
hearing
from
people
within
a
week
to
take
a
next
action.
B
B
You
can
also
have
what
I
like
to
call
false
Flags,
those
that
appear
to
be
or
for
the
purposes
of
other
people
in
the
room,
prepare
to
be
outwardly,
passionate
about
this
or
will
speak
I
hate
bringing
politics
into
this
I'll
I'll.
You
know
to
your
face.
Tell
you
oh
yeah:
no,
we
can't
have
that
but
go
into
the
booth
and
have
it
right
so
being
very
careful.
B
B
Extremely
sensitive,
a
great
a
great
conversation
I
was
having
the
other
day
was
about
privilege.
What
does
privilege
actually
mean
right
and
one
of
the
questions?
I
add
I
said
you
know
everybody's
gangster
until
a
gangster
walks
in
the
room,
and
then
he
looked
at
me
like
I
was
crazy
and
I
said
well.
B
If,
if
I
have
15
and
you
have
a
hundred,
are
you
willing
to
give
me
25?
So
we
both
start
at
75
and
as
a
caveat
I'll
teach
you
not
only
how
to
get
your
100
back,
but
I'll
teach
you
how
to
get
a
hundred
so
that
we
both
will
end
up
marching
in
the
same
place.
When
you
ask
that
question
you
are
you
willing
to
give
up
25.
B
that
question
alone?
If
you
have
to
pause
in
your
response,
we
ain't
there.
Yet
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
you
have
to
posit
your
response.
We
ain't
there
yet
and-
and
a
large
part
of
this
is-
is
asking
people
asking
those
with
privilege
to
give
up
that
25,
so
I,
so
I
I
I
want
to
be
very
careful
in
our
in
our
in
our
approach,
especially
when
we
talk
about
risk
to
not
doing
it.
B
B
D
B
I
think
it's
so
important
here
because
we're
not
speaking
from
a
place
of
risk
to
not
we're
speaking
from
a
place
of
a
these.
Are
the
efforts
going
on
around
the
world,
and
would
you
believe
that
we're
probably
of
everyone?
That's
that's
looked
into
this
done
this
research
I
mean
we
all
we
can
do
is
struggle
shows.
B
This
is
probably
the
first
of
its
kind
creation
of
one
place
repository
that
talks
about
this,
and
then
has
the
data
to
support
next
steps
to
really
make
an
impact
who
who
who's
willing
to
make
an
impact
right
and
speak
about
it
that
way
right.
It
takes
a
little
less
pressure
off
them
to
to
make
an
impact
a
little
bit
more
pressure
on
them
to
be
a
part
of
the
the
impact
or
part
of
the
efforts
that
are
being
made
towards
towards
make
a
new
impact.
My
two
cents
there,
of
course.
E
So
I'm
just
trying
so
the
way
that
I'm
approaching
this
is
I'm
trying
to
get
inside
of
the
minds
of
maybe
the
10
to
15
people
that
I
know
will
be
in
that
room
that
won't
have
political
impact,
and,
if
we're
going
with
this,
if
we've
got
a
single
slide,
one
I
is
there
any.
Can
we
have
two
slides
or
is
it
is.
E
We
can
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
for
some
of
those,
you
maybe
make
a
soft
Reach
Out
beforehand
like
if
and
I
I,
don't
know
so
so
the
approach
here
right
you've
got
to
be
very
specific
in
your
ask
and
I
think
we
are
doing
that,
but
also
on
the
other
side
right,
it's
the
needs
and
gives
right
the.
What
we've
already
done
here
is
shown
a
clear,
clear
deficit,
one
which
bars
like
one.
Well,
here's
here's
my
analysis.
E
The
benefit
to
it
is
that
we
are
demonstrating
already
we've
been
doing
something,
that's
so
important
that
the
government
just
recognized
and
it's
important
and
we've
already
put
our
hours
towards
those
volunteers.
So
that's
slide
one
number
two.
The
second
slide
is:
what
happens
if
we
don't
do
this
specifically,
this
is
a
cyber
security
concern
across
all
sectors,
because
open
source
is
globalized
and
social
segregation
in
open
source
around
any
line
is
a
problem
because
we
are
not
enabling
any
Community
to
protect
themselves
in
the
digital
age.
E
E
If
they
do
not
do
this,
they
are
going
to
measurably,
have
a
deficit
and
all
three
of
those
and
that's
their
business
value
their
business.
So
we
can
show
our
volunteer
efforts
and
demonstrate
how
that
positively
impacts
a
business,
and
if
we
put
those
two
together,
it's
the
real
story.
It
generally
has
the
heartstrings
in
the
purse
right,
but
it's
the
true
thing
and
that's
what's
cool.
This
is
puzzled.
B
B
B
Is
everyone
is
losing
jobs
right,
layoffs
are
happening
everywhere.
Right
now,
doesn't
doesn't
need
I
mean
we
talk
about.
You
know
what
the
cost
benefit
now
is
to
getting
involved
right.
A
cost
benefit.
Now
to
you
know
what
what
is
that?
Actually,
according
to
the
bottom
line
of
some
well,
some
of
these
organizations
that
are
that
are
letting
everybody
go
hey.
That's
that
that's!
Well!
This
situation.
Ain't
got
nothing
to
do
with
a
with
a
demographic;
it
has
everything
to
do
with
the
bottom
line.
So
so
we
definitely
need
a
you
know.
C
I'll
rebut
you
there
a
little
bit
Jay
I,
think
in
our
specific
bubbles,
big
Tech.
Yes,
that
absolutely
is
happening
where
you're
seeing
sloughing
off
of
a
large
portion
of
the
workforce.
But
if
you
look
at
other
Industries
banking
through
retail,
they
are
hungry
and
eager
to
snap
up
a
lot
of
these
folks
that
have
been
like,
and
that's
where
the
big
deficit
is
is
where
real
people
doing
real
things
are
not
necessarily
kind
of
us
up
in
the
cloud
cloudifying
things
well
to.
B
Your
point
to
your
point
right
numbers,
because
that's
a
that's
a
very
valid
point.
When
we
talk
about
this,
though,
how
many
of
how
many
individuals
are
going
to
be
on
this
call
are
thinking
about
health
care,
Finance
right,
you
know
how
many
people
get,
how
many
people
then
be
thinking
about
other
the
other
marketing
or
advertising
I.
Don't
know
how
many
people
will
be
thinking
about
other
Industries.
E
Jay
can
I
there's
a
statistic
that
I've
been
thinking
about
a
lot
lately
and
it
used
to
be
until
about
10
years
ago
the
highest
predicting
factor
of
whether
or
not
someone
was
an
engineer
was
two
traits
and
you
have
almost
100
chance
of
getting
it
right
one.
Are
they
male
identifying
number
two?
Do
they
have
two
parents
with
college
degrees?
That's
no
longer
true.
There
are
more
people
in
this
market
and
participating
in
this
space
across
sectors.
Now
the
problem
is
with
people
and
I.
E
Think
what
you
are
pointing
to
here
is
the
fact
that
what
privilege
represents
is
not
how
high
you
can
climb,
but
how
far
you
fall
right
and
that
institutionally,
we
are
being
failed
in
a
way
that
I
still
have
to
take
the
marketing
approach
of
hiring
and
firing.
It
is
significantly
less
likely
that
I
will
be
fired
in
any
location.
If
there
is
a
woman
above
me,
in
the
power
structure,
even
if
they're,
not
my
boss
or
related
to
my
boss,
it
is
having
representation
in
the
workplace
that
is
stable
and
represents
the
world
outside.
B
How
well,
how
about
how
messed
up
it
is
right?
How
about
how
messed
up
it
is
that,
when
I,
look
across
my
org,
if
I'm,
the
only
one
or
if
there's
like
a
couple
of
me,
I,
have
a
comfortable
sigh
of
relief.
How
about
that?
How
about
how
messed
up
is
it?
How
messed
up
it
is
that
I'll
take
a
sire
relief
when
I'm
by
myself
across
the
org
of
100.
B
D
There's
I
just
want
to
kind
of
add
kind
of
like
two
points:
I
guess,
because
I've
seen
this
when
we
talk
about
employment
generally
employment
statistics
are
taken
from
the
standpoint
of
company
employees.
You
do
not
address
the
contractor
aspect
and
that's
very
big
at
a
lot
of
companies
and
realistically,
that
is
a
way
that
a
lot
of
Dei
people
are
able
to
come
and
convert
on,
and
it
becomes
particularly
interesting
because
you
are
kind
of
at
a
rate
a
lot
of
times.
Some
people
are
lowballed.
D
Sometimes
companies
use
that
to
lowball
people
to
come
in
as
far
as
to
convert
and
I
do
think.
That
is
a
whole
gap
of
information
that
companies
collect.
Even
the
government
collects,
but
the
government,
the
government
does
a
little
bit
better
with
their
contractors
as
far
as
things
and
standards
that
are
in
place
versus
at
a
corporate
entity
right
like
because
I
contracted
for
the
government.
If
I
was
sitting
in
a
meeting
and
let's
just
say
someone
made
a
slur,
I
can
get
up
and
go
to
the
course
office.
D
I
don't
have
to
wait
for
my
company
I.
Don't
have
to
do
nothing
and
a
whole
investigation
will
start
right
and
I
can
come
back
and
tell
my
company
yeah
I
went
to
the
core
because
I'm
on
site,
they
were
right
down
the
way.
No,
that
need
to
be
reported
when
you
contract
for
a
private
company.
You
don't
have
that
luxury.
B
And
I
know
this
from
the
military.
A
core
is
that
is
that
contract
liaison
officer
that's
in
place
that
will
represent
both
the
the
interests
of
of
that
of
that
government
arm,
but
act
act
on
the
interest
of
that
government
arm,
but
but
are
liaise
with
the
Contracting
organization
to
help
facilitate
any
grievances
that
arise
between
one
organization
another,
and
this
particular
position
has
to
be
one.
Specially
trained
has
to
be
bonded
and
everything
else,
because
they
actually
have
their
thumb
print
on
the
contract
of
that
particular
organization.
So
that's
that's
good.
D
And
I
guess
the
other
part
is
is
like
if,
if
somebody
personally
gets
mad
at
someone,
the
core
and
the
government
also
acts
as
like.
Where
did
they
not
do
the
responsibilities
listed
in
the
JD
right,
but
I
just
bring
all
this
up,
because
there
are,
a
lot
of
contractors
will
tend
to
be
more
on
the
Dei
side.
Some
of
them
are
put
through
staffing
companies
who
love
ball,
people
and
I
just
think.
D
If
we're
going
to
look
at
the
cyber
security
Workforce,
that
is
a
definite
huge
part
of
the
workforce
that
I,
don't
feel
is
ever
addressed
or
collected,
statistically,
which
would
be
another
good
reason
to
try
and
make
sure
we
are
really
doing
a
good
job
of
situational
awareness.
When
we
talk
about
Dei
and
the
Cyber
Workforce
and
skill
sets
that
are
needed,
that
all
of
that
is
accounted
for.
B
B
As
a
matter
of
fact,
last
year,
when
this
whole
thing
started,
the
contractors
were
the
first
to
go
in
many
organizations,
regardless
of
what,
regardless
of
of
who
was
employed
whatever
the
contractors
were
first
to
go.
That
was
across
the
board
and
then
everyone
else
so
I'll
just
I
just
want
to
add
those
two
points
go
go
ahead
so.
E
Sorry
I
was
just
nodding
because
I
read
Rob's
thing:
no,
but
okay
well,
I
had
one
request.
Can
we
stop
talking
about
DOD
contracts,
because
that
was
a
very
dark
time
in
my
life
and
I?
Don't
want
to
remember
it,
but
yeah
I,
think
number
two
I
I
kind
of
I
think
right
the
course
model.
I
know
who
to
go
to
and
it's
a
point
of
contact
for
compliance,
compliance
which
is
preceded
often
right,
but
it
ensures
a
functional
working
environment,
specifically
not
at
the
like
contract
entities
level
but
across
entities.
E
E
D
At
all
the
contracts,
okay,
I
will
add
once
like
modification,
because
I
spent
a
lot
of
years,
Contracting
an
Intel,
some
of
that
gets
thrown
out
the
window.
Oh
nice
picture
some
of
that
gets
thrown
out
the
window
when
you're
talking
about
clearances,
because
it's
only
so
few
people
with
clearances
and
depending
on
what
area
you're
at
and
you're
a
specialty
underserved
area.
D
B
Well,
so,
okay,
so
a
lot
of
these
points
that
are
being
made
right
now.
What
I
do
what
I
do
want
to
say
is
some
of
this
stuff
great
for
the
town
hall,
some
of
this
stuff
great
for
the
grade
for
open
Summit,
all
this
stuff
great
for
talks
that
we
want
to
give
later
on
and
probe
had
a
great
point
in
here
too,
about
metrics,
let's
parse,
let's
parse
some
of
this
stuff
out.
B
We
only
got
15
minutes
during
the
talk
at
that
point
that
you
just
made
Nicole
is
extremely
important,
so
you
two
are
like
the
I
mean
these.
These
comments
are
these
comments
are
outstanding:
I,
don't
know
that
they
belong
in
the
hall,
but
I
definitely
think
they
belong
at
the
open.
Summit
yeah
I
mean
so
so
I
I
do
want
to
I.
Do
I
do
want
to
parse
those
out
the
the
the
that
education
piece
you
just
mentioned
right
there.
For
instance,
I
laugh,
I,
tell
people
all
the
time.
B
I
got
my
education
to
online
schools
all
right.
What
are
we
talking
about?
I
I
started
off
in
Earnest,
but
I
had
to
jump
by
the
place
to
kick
indoors,
because
nobody
would
give
me
money
and
nobody
would
give
me
a
chance.
So
I
took
it
myself,
I
used
to
write
papers
returning
to
the
fob
in
the
middle
of
Iraq.
That's
how
that's
you
know.
I
would
come
off
the
file
line,
write
papers
on
the
way
back
to
the
father
right.
That's
that's!
How
I
got
through
school
all
right?
No,
my
resume!
B
C
We
may
want
to
think
about
organizing
at
the
summit
some
type
of
Meetup,
so,
in
addition
to
the
birds
of
a
feather,
maybe
we
find
a
pub
somewhere
and
get
together
and
have
have
a
committee
meeting,
and
you
know
invite
anyone
interested
in
the
topic
to
come.
Join
us
and
I
think
you
know
like
the
topics
of
like
the
the
Prejudice
of
AI.
You
know
based
off
of
how
who
programmed
it
I
think
that's
a
very
relevant
topic.
I,
don't
know
that
our
education
group
will
be
able
to
fix
that.
C
But
again,
if
we
ever
ever
able
to
escalate
the
importance
of
this
work,
I
think
that's
very
definitely
a
piece
of
work
that
we
potentially
might
be
able
to
influence
with.
Like
the
whole,
it's
not
a
foundation.
Is
it
there's
an
AI
group
within
Linux
Foundation
I'm,
not
sure
how
they're
categorized,
but
that
might
be
some
of
us
might
want
to
go
sit
in
those
meetings
and
say
hey
well,
how
do
we
get
these
things?
Be
more
objective
and
less
biased.
B
Yeah
I'll
add
to
that
and
say
that
I
raise
the
I
raise
the
stink
about
chat.
Gbt
I
raised
a
huge
stink
about
it.
People
like
what
were
you
talking
about
I
said
so
nobody's
here,
sees
how
the
use
of
chat,
GPT
and
and
then
and
then
I
even
brought
this
I
even
brought
this
to
Microsoft,
say:
hey
the
big
infusion
of
it.
Nobody
here
understands
how
disenfranchised
you
just
made
an
entire
population
with
this
right.
Ask
it
a
question.
The
way
I
would
ask
it
a
question
and
now
keep
in
mind.
B
B
No
response
now:
ask
it
the
way
it
was
designed
to
be
asked
to
be
asked
that
question
you
just
enfranchise
the
whole
population
with
this.
That
could
benefit
educationally
from
the
responses
that
it
could
get
so
now,
you're
making
everybody
learn
how
to
communicate
different,
which
is
why,
on
his
face,
is
not
a
bad
thing,
but
once
again,
I
got
to
start
50
yards
behind
the
line.
D
D
B
Big
things
that
people
things
that
people
from
a
a
certain
Community
actually
care
about
right,
I
mean
I.
We
laugh
it's
funny,
but
you
know:
I
I
grew
I
grew
up
in
New,
York
I
want
to
know
who
shot
Biggie
I
want
to
understand,
get
into
detail
with
it.
Tell
me
about
the
whole
dynamic
I
want
to
research
all
the
files.
Let's
go,
get
all
the
files.
A
A
The
second
one
is
like
the
call
to
action,
that's
very
specific
for
leadership,
but
in
that
first
slide
there
was
like
he
wanted
to
see
data
to
see
what
the
rest
of
the
benefits
and,
in
terms
of
that
data
like
and
it's
we've
got
like
about
two
days.
Does
anyone
know
where
this
data
could
be?
The
only
thing
I
came
got
from
like
the
U.S
Service
the
strategy?
A
C
A
E
So
this
is
so.
This
is
my
perspective
on
it
and
I.
Think
there's
a
little
bit
more
context
around,
like
you
can
be
I.
Think
I
am
much
more
hopeful
in
part
because
of
some
of
the
stuff
that's
happening
or
looks
to
be
happening.
We
are
mobilizing
an
education
plan
that
is
genuinely
supposed
to
affect
at
least
the
us,
but
probably
the
globe
and
here's
what
I
want
to
see
in
that.
E
It
is
right,
basic
logic
if
we
are
supposed
to
end
like
educate
the
largest
cohort
of
at
least
cyber
security
Engineers
that
the
world
has
ever
seen.
It
stands
to
assume
that
that
would
be
the
most
diverse,
like
diverse
cohort
that
we
have
ever
seen.
Secondarily,
the
call
to
action
here
has
to
be.
We
have
to
measure
our
statistics
differently,
because
we
are
going
to
be
having
to
measure
the
statistically
least
represented
voices
in
the
room
or
they're,
not
in
the
room
at
all,
and
that's
the
problem
right.
E
E
That's
my
that's
what
I,
because
in
a
year
from
now
right
and
I
really
wanted,
we
can
get
there,
but
in
a
year
from
now
this
could
be
looking
super
different,
like
I
want
to
tell
them.
This
is
the
stats
that
I
could
have
in
a
year
and
demonstrate
a
difference
from
point
A
to
point
B.
If
you
get
engaged,
I
can
prove
to
you
that
we've
made
a
difference,
but
if
y'all
don't
get
engaged,
we're
just
gonna
keep
hauling,
because
this
is
volunteer
and
we're
gonna
figure
out
someone
who
cares
right
yeah.
It's.
D
I
also
think
that's
another
area
where
we
would
look
at
partnering
some
of
the
organizations,
because
some
of
the
diversity
organizations
do
collect
data
and
that
could
only
help
kind
of
enhance
some
of
the
data
efforts
that
are
already
done
here
and
I.
Think
that's
that's
something
you
might
want
to
add.
B
So
so
to
Christine's
to
Christine's
earlier
I
hope
she's
writing
this
now,
what
was
the
government
is
getting
written
down
somewhere,
but
but
for
the
purposes
of
the
town
hall
on
Thursday,
these
data
points
so
I
want
to
three
data
points.
Talk
about
risk,
three
data
points
for
for
risk,
which
ones
are
we
going
to
focus
on
who
well
I'll
ask
the
question.
B
A
E
A
The
way
we
were
going
to
do
this
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
is
just
we're.
Gonna,
maybe
potentially
have
a
slide.
That
says
we
are
kind
of
like
the
Genesis
and
the
Y
and
then
the
slide
about
the
what
which
could
be
like
centered
on
the
actual
document
that
Nicole's
working
on
and
then
the
last
was
the
call
to
action
so
two
to
three
slides.
So
in
terms
of
risk,
you
could
put
it
anywhere
in
the
Y
section:
okay,
cool.
B
E
B
Now
I'll
tell
you
something
so
one
of
the
things
that,
like
we're
going
to
put
it
in
there
I'm
I'm
with
the
team
I,
you
know,
I
I,
don't
have
my
own
thoughts
on
this,
but
I'm
with
the
team,
but
I
was
I
will
give
my
thoughts
on
this
though
man
I
feel
like.
If
you
gotta
tell
somebody
the
benefits
got
to
tell
somebody
the
risks.
Man
we
lost
already
like
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
of
like
I,
think
that
the
benefits
and
the
risks
are
very
high
level.
B
B
This
is
more
about
Equity
than
anything
else
right
and
if
we're
not
talking
about
the
benefits
and
the
risks
of
having
Equitable
education
situation
for
for
all,
people
lost
already
like.
If,
if
somebody
really
is
sitting
there
saying
well,
why
does
it
matter
if
we
don't
do
it?
It's
probably
in
the
wrong
damn
room,
but
by
what?
But
that
being
the
case,
should
it
be
said,
maybe
I
just
I'm
just
giving
my
two
cents
in
my
mind
as
to
why
I
feel
like.
A
E
E
Well,
yeah,
but
you
also
have
to
think
about
the
room.
This
is
one
of
the
hardest
audiences
in
the
world
right
so
I
when
you're
talking
about
Deni
stuff,
there's,
maybe
like
10
of
the
population
that
will
go
willingly
when
they're
unwillingly
asked
to
go
and
just
truly
represent
who's
going
to
be
in
the
room
at
ossf
and
at
ossf
anyway.
The
conference
spaces
I
just
had
a
conference
where
the
de
and
I
talk
was
sitting
inside
of
the
cyber
security
talk
I've
never
said
track,
never
had
that
before
they
asked
them.
E
How
many
times
in
the
last
three
years,
have
you
been
in
a
room
in
work
or
otherwise,
where
you
were
the
minority
in
that
room
of
any
demographic
70
said
never
not
once
so.
When
we're
talking
in
these
spaces,
I
mean
I
work
with
people
and
I
know.
We
all
work
with
people
who
literally
have
never
worked
with
a
minority
before
in
their
careers,
so
getting
them
to
understand
and
respect
your
entire
lived
experience
is
going
to
be
very
hard
when
all
they're
thinking
about
are
dollars
and
bills
literally.
B
I
love,
I,
love.
What
you
just
did
there
right?
Do
you
know
a
fantasy
of
mine
or
the
fantasy
of
my
I?
Don't
have
many
fantasies,
but
this
is
a
fantasy
of
mine
is
to
be
giving
to
be
giving
a
talk
right
and
like
have
somebody
in
the
door
with
a
counter
counting
everybody
that
walks
in
right.
Everyone
that
walks
in
I'm
talking
about
you
know
just
count:
white
black
Asian,
everyone
that
walked
just
a
counter
and
then
right
in
the
beginning
of
the
talk.
Just
ask
a
blanket
question:
hey
raise
your
hands.
B
If
you
know
that
same
question,
you
just
asked
and
see
who
raises
their
hands
and
then
let
somebody
else
take
that
number
down.
Do
that
math
up
real,
quick
and
then
at
some
point
in
the
in
the
middle
of
the
thing
hand
me
a
slip
of
paper
so
that
when
I
give
data,
the
data
is
real
in
that
room
period.
That
data
is
real
in
that
room.
So
I
tell
you
what
if
I
told
you
that
80
of
a
sample
population
said
this
and
people
have
been
looking
around
and
I
said.
E
E
If
you
don't
think
that
you
need
to
be
in
this
room,
let
it
give
you
a
statistic
that
tells
you
why
you
probably
need
it
to
be
right,
and
so
there
is
I'll
go,
find
the
I'll
put
it
on
the
slack,
but
there's
a
couple
of
good
options
for
asking
that
and
asking
people
in
advance
to
just
like
jump
on
and
like
put
in
a
do
it
anonymously.
So
you
actually
get
the
right
answers,
but
here's
the
trick.
You
ask
two
questions.
E
The
first
one
is:
what
is
your
favorite
breed
of
dog
blah
blah
blah
make
sure
that
everyone's
logged
in
everyone's
happy?
You
see
how
many
people
have
already
contributed
one
question
and
then
another
one
of
your
metrics
is
how
many
people
refuse
to
answer
the
second
question,
but
it's
Anonymous.
It's
only
the
people
in
the
room
that
see
that.
So
you
know
it's
the
people
in
that
room
and
it's
all
falsely
represented.
You
see
them
coming
in
real
time.
I
can
send
that
to
you.
A
E
Not
really
it's
I
mean
the
way
that
I
put.
It
was
because
it's
my
like
hook
and
lover
for
people
that
don't
want
to
like
answer
the
thing,
but
it's
hugely
impactful
and
I
I
mean
I'm
in
these
dni
spaces
to
some
degree.
But
that
statistic
still
made
me
my
jaw
drop
that
in
that
room,
because
that
room
was
relatively
diverse,
statistically
as
compared
to
most
tech
spaces.
So
even
in
that
space
it
was
that
I
genuinely
are
hurt.
I
was
like.
B
B
But
all
right
so
so
for
so
for
Thursday,
we've
narrowed
down
we're
gonna
have
at
least
two
to
three
slides.
Now
we
pay,
you
know
I
I
originally
was
at
the
one
slide.
We
got
two
to
three
and
those
two
to
three
slides.
We're
gonna
have
the
first
sizes
are
important,
the
second
slides
or
or
with
the
with
the
the
the
data
points
and
everything
like
that,
and
you
got
the
last
slide
straight
up:
call
to
action.
Yeah.
A
And
then,
in
terms
of
like
the
the
benefits
and
the
risks
and
the
call
to
action
kind
of
being
close
tight
closely
tied,
one
of
the
other
things
I
would
probably
need
Nicole.
Is
that
list
I,
don't
know
if
you
had
to
have
a
chance
to
put
it
somewhere,
where
we
could
look
at
it
and
at
least
be
able
to
dive
into
it?.
A
D
A
A
Yeah
I
think
yeah.
We
should
be
able
to
do
something
for
this
live
I.
Think
the
only
other
key
thing
that
we
wanted
to
do
in
this
meeting
is
also
figure
out,
because
the
open
ssf
deadline
is
this
Friday
and
there's
a
couple
of
talks
and
Jay
and
I
can
kind
of
like
rehash
what
we're
doing
for
the
open
ssf
day
for
one
of
the
talks.
But
there
is
a
second
talk
that
we
wanted
to
do
around
that's
and
all
and
I
think
was
it
Sal.
C
E
E
Anything
else
than
anyone
else's
plate,
no
no
cool,
well
I,
wasn't
quite
prepared
for
this,
but
I've
been
working.
You
know
it's
open
source,
so
I
work
with
people
everywhere.
All
the
time
and
a
couple
of
years
ago
someone
contacted
me,
it
was
like
I'm,
an
artist
and
I
was
like
I,
don't
work
with
artists
and
they're
like
no
I
scrape
websites
and
make
art.
E
So
let
me
see
if
I
can
give
me
one.
Second
I
just
want
to
show
you
how
cool
this
is
from
Anova
and
yes,
her
name
is
Anova,
which
is
also
my
favorite
statistical
interaction,
but
well.
Delaying
no
further
I
want
to
show
you
so
I
showed
her.
The
newest,
open
source
supply
chain
report
came
out,
and
this
time
it
was
made
in
a
way
that
you
could
actually
scrape
the
numbers
behind
it.
No
PDF
formats,
not
even
in
the
images,
so
we
took
that
I'm.
E
Almost
there
found
it
and
she
turned
it
into
art,
so
not
for
all
of
us
to
reprocess
our
log
4
jlog
before
shell
trauma,
but
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
art
versions
of
that
real,
quick
and
then
I'll.
Let
you
all
go
I
just
think
this
is
so
cool
and
really
what
I'm
so
I'm
going
to
also
state
that
I,
probably
don't
want
to
take
that
spot.
I
would
love
to
give
this
to
someone
like
this.
Give
me
just
a
second.
E
E
E
It's
real
cool
work
and
it's
interesting
and
it's
like
it
kind
of
centers
around
like
hey
here's,
someone
who
traditionally
wouldn't
even
have
an
interest
in
cyber
security
who's
now
working
in
an
interdisciplinary
way
getting
other
people
engaged
I'd
love
to
give
10
minutes
of
the
stage
to
that,
and
also
because
their
talk
to
Scott,
except
for
OSS
around
the
same
subject
and
I'm
just
so
excited.
So
sorry,.
A
E
E
B
E
A
E
I'll,
send
you
literally
the
abstract
that
they
just
got
accepted
to
OSS
and,
like
I,
think
like
a
quick,
I'm
literally
having
them
submit
like
a
lightning
talk
around
the
subject.
So
that's
I,
don't
think
it
needs
to
conserve
that
second
spot
I'm,
just
saying,
like
man
I'd,
be
stoked.
If
it's
in
the
lineup,
so
yeah.