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From YouTube: The Higher Education Revolution #6
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Join Jesse Bania and Daniël W. Crompton for an interesting discussion on Piersons, The Real Reason Why Small Colleges Fail and more in The Higher Education Revolution #6
Previous podcast: https://youtu.be/xKtbnS1hrmI
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Real-Reason-Why-Small/236732
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A
Good
morning
good
afternoon
good
evening
and
welcome
to
highlight
revolution
number
six
in
this
high
resolution
would
be
Claire.
Are
we
talking
to
Jesse
and
we'll
be
discussing
some
centrism
subjects?
I
rob's
ugly
in
here
today,
but
I'm
sure
he's
going
to
be
here
next
weekend
so
Jesse?
How
was
your
week
my.
B
Weave
is
fantastic,
a
lot
of
good
personal
developments
at
home,
move
along.
We
have
our
sons,
one-year
birthday
coming
up
this
Sunday,
so
we're
preparing
a
nice
little
picnic
somewhere,
hopefully
close
to
water,
which
is
the
reason
we're
living
on
the
east
coast
or
one
of
them
I
suppose
yeah
other
than
that
very
busy
planning
another
another
interview
coming
up
with
the
gentleman
named
Tim
Monreal.
He
has
recently
moved
from
California
to
one
of
the
carolinas.
I
believe
it's
needed
south
carolina
to
do
some
more
teaching.
He
writes
a
lot
on
medium.
C
A
Spider
number
of
pieces
granted
Mario
on
facebook
responders
or
sumfin
con
them
medium,
so
very,
very
interested
in
this
having
him
on
as
well
and
I
really
liked
it.
Last
week
we
had
Laura
Gilbert's
and
Laura
H.
We
all
were
having
our
interview
with
Rob,
which
is
also
very
interesting
and
very
stark
contrast,
I
found
between
her
while
she
was
saying
and
what's
what
Queen
was
saying
and
although
they
mean
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
there
and
queen
is
very
much
focused
on.
A
We
have
this
massive
get
or
you
end
up
at
the
end
of
your
education,
with
a
massive
debt
and
unload
on
how
do
we
make
sure
that
people
do
not
get
into
debt?
So
if
you
want
to
watch
those
videos,
we're
going
to
put
them
on
two
legs
here
this
one's
friend
and
this
one
is
for
Laura
kilter.
So
you're
welcome
to
my
station
10
years
ago
from
others
interviews
from
my
speaker.
So
what
do
you
think
it
gives
you.
B
Yeah
I
thought
I
thought
it
was
interesting
as
well
I
mean
you
know
it's.
It's
really
good
to
have
discussions
around
the
problems
that
exist.
You
know
whether
it's
with
respects
to
the
dead,
whether
it's
with
respect
to
the
system
of
it
itself,
but
it's
also
really
important
to
have
discussions
around
the
solutions
and
the
ideas
that
can
go
into
addressing
those
problems.
So
you
know
I,
think
I
think
we're
so
far.
You
know
we're
no.
B
This
is
number
six
of
our
podcast
doing
a
good
job
of
having
a
diversity
of
content
and
visitors
and
hopefully
that,
hopefully,
our
viewers
feel
the
same
way
if
they
have
any
ideas
about
or
thoughts
about
what
we
could
cover
in
the
future.
We
love
to
hear
thoughts,
definitely
feel
free
to
contact
us
or
so
made
some
comments
and
we'll
give
her
those
on
that
note
I'm.
I
have
talked
to
the
idea
about
bringing
on
some
students
and
having
some
some
discussions.
B
You
know
whether,
whether
it's
with
one
or
a
couple
of
them-
even
so
I'm
going
to
this
week
indefinitely
next
week,
in
addition
to
my
conversation
with
Tim
I'm,
going
to
begin
to
think
about
how
it
who
those
students
can
be
brought
in
who
those
students
are
and
how
they
can
be
brought
in
to
a
discussion
and
I
think
it
would
really
shed
some
light
on
on
what
needs
are
from
the
students
perspective.
Right,
I
mean
you
share
that
article
or
those
screenshots
with
respect
to
know
it
was
an
article
it
was.
B
It
was
a
program
that,
at
that
pearson's
is
offering
to
higher
ed
institutions
in
terms
of
how
to
better
you
know,
seek
out
students
with
respect
to
online
learning,
but
you
know
my
biggest
frustration
with.
That
is
the
fact
that
it
doesn't
really
look
at
students
as
having
a
valuable
input.
Did
you
have
anything
else
to
add
to
Daniel
I
saw.
A
D
D
A
Them
I
come
so
what
are
you
saying
is
extremely
feeling
interesting
that
education
is
a
mass-product
and
it
is
really
really
focused
on
trying
to
trying
to
reach
as
many
people
as
possible
and
to
do
as
cheaply
as
possible
and
to
turn
out
the
same
witches
with
a
ton
of
the
same
people
that
we
work
out
that
all
the
same,
the
other
China
attend
all
these
people
in
the
same
way
I
mean
is
the
little
boxes
stories
little
boxes
made
of
ticky
champion.
Just
a
look
anything
that's
the
Pearson
adverts
really
speaks
to
that.
A
I
mean
it's
something.
That's
that's!
That's
if
you're
targeting
universities
that
this
is
something
that
university
wants
to
hear,
and
so
universities
will
love
this,
but
if
used
to,
if
you're
as
a
student,
looking
at
city,
of
course,
it's
a
or,
as
an
outsider,
look
at
you
looking
at
since
to
consider
that
your
seat
that
you
are
actually
the
products
to
invent
urology,
then
you're.
Actually
there
say
the
the
the
item
being
sold,
bought
and
sold.
It
means
the
same
thing
with
Facebook,
where
we're
on
facebook,
where
the
products
I
mean
we
are
the
better.
B
Debbie's
point
you
know
it
lacks
authenticity
in
students
are
increasingly
aware
that
they
see
it
and
they're
going
to
challenge
it.
So
I
think
you
know
finding
the
tools
and
the
channels
to
give
them
their
voice
back
will
allow
us
to
say:
ok,
great
pearson's.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
pretty
you
know,
program
and
institutions
may
jump
on
it
and
they
may
spend
some
money
on
it,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it's
going
to
produce
the
value
it's
going
to
produce
the
quantity
of
students
that
they're
going
for
it.
B
A
I
posted
one
of
the
obstacles
which
goes
speak
this
point
as
well.
It's
about
how,
where
I,
let
me
to
find
it
the
real
reason
their
wife,
small
colleges,
fail,
and
it
really
speaks
to
this
as
well-
that
a
lot
of
small
colleges
are
like
Burlington,
College
they're
under
prayer
and
oppression.
They're,
not
hemorrhaging
money,
but
they're,
not
they're,
not
earning
the
tuitions
that
they
were
earning
so
they're,
really
really
looking
to
places
like
Pearson's
and
other
organizations
to
come
and
help
them
out
to
you
to
reduce
even
more
there.
A
They're
standing
faculty
costs,
they're
standing
costs
with
other
things
with
other
items,
and
so
that
answer
and
their
intellectual
property
costs
just
just
taking
up
taking
a
ready-made
me
already
made
a
course
to
stats
and
that
you'll
be
done
with
it.
You
don't
have
to
invest
a
lot
of
time
into
this,
which
is
really
a
shame.
Shame
you're
not
saying
that
that's
a
as
a
balanced
college
census,
of
course,
but
a
lot
of
these
smaller
colleges
are
actually
doing
this
because
they
just
understand
ur
a
set
amount
of
pressure.
A
B
That
so
that's
a
good
point,
I
mean,
then
it
does
matter
to
us
a
little
bit
in
the
sense
that
you
know
there's
a
point
of
competition.
If
you
will,
you
know
if
they're,
if
they
small,
er
schools
feel
like
you're
under
pressure
to
survive
and
to
lower
their
costs
their
overhead?
Perhaps
you
know
they
may
succumb
to
the
lien
pneus
or
the
perceived
leonis
of
these
programs,
the
sort
of
the
cutout
ready
courses
and
programs
that
Pearson's
will
be
offering.
So
you
know
to
our.
B
What
we
would
say,
though,
is
that
that's
not
the
only
way
of
going
about
it.
You
know
that
you
can
create
things
from
the
ground
up
and
it
doesn't
need
to
cost
a
ton
of
money
right
and
so
using
your
concrete
assets
that
do
exist
as
their
best
utilized,
and
that
is
where
the
I
think
the
symbiosis
between
offline
and
online
learning
can
can
work
together
is
not
all
learning
needs
to
happen
online.
We're
not
I
would
not
say
that
that
that
would
be.
B
A
pyranose
mission
is
to
completely
supplant
omelette
offline
learning,
but
there
are
ways
in
which
some
things
can
happen
online
and
those
communities
can
be
fostered
online
and
there
can
still
be
you
know,
sort
of
offline
labs
or
libraries
or
community
centers
or
spaces
in
these
classic
educational,
smaller
institutions
where
they
can
best
utilize
those
spaces,
and
we
can
work
together
to
make
those
you
know
very
valuable,
so
I,
don't
think
jumping
to
Pearson's
is
is
the
only
way
to
go
about
it.
We
just
need
to
prove
that
to
them
right.
B
A
C
Yes,
we've
got
this
huge
crisis
in
higher
ed,
but
you
don't
have
I
believe
that
people
don't
have
to
succumb
to
it
and
there
are
different
ways
that
each
person
can
can
use
to
do
that.
Well,
one
of
the
things
that
surprised
me
doing
that
kind
of
work
is
that
some
of
the
most
conservative
voices,
to
my
mind,
are
from
the
student.